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I Need Help | FT Dr. Jasmine N. Burns | EP56 · Jess Ask

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Yo, it's your girl Jessica and Smith, and you already know that you've
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entered the safe space for influencers to decompress, have fun and just ask God
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for another Do you already know what it is? And then you know it's
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about to get real. To be sure to show your girl the love and
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like, come in subscribe God for another day. Hey, hey, I
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know we could be another way. I'm sorry, y'all, lod have merceille
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hallelujah. I won't to do it? Yes? We want, won't he
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we? Yes? Yes? What's up y'all? It's your girl Jessica and
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Smith and I am super excited about today because you know that we are still
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and our mental health awareness. Just what to me a favor? Do it
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again? You weren't recording, No, I was recording. Just do it
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again? Okay, thank you, Woman of God. Hallelujah. We're recording.
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Was recording. Make sure you put this make sure you put this cut.
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Make sure you put this cut. I wanted for two minutes and fifty
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three three minutes right now? Okay, we're all moment desiree are we are?
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We recording? It was recording. I just had the angle. The
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camera was on a different angle. I was just when we don't want the
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guests to see you, I ain't want the people to see who we had
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to get all in there. We're gonna because at the end of the day,
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three minutes I've been recording. Look, y'all, I've been record for
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three minutes. Why she three minutes? Y'all? Okay, y'all, y'all
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act like y'all know yo, yo yo. Welcome to the just as the
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podcast, don't finish it where we create a safe space for influences to have
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fun, de compressed and just ask that's your girl, Desiree daniel that I
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don't know what, So y'all pray for her. Please pray for her today
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because we found you know what, I love you and there's nothing that you
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can do about it. The Lord loves you for real in real life.
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We're gonna talk about this, y'all. You have entered the safe space for
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influences that you compress, have fun and just ask, is your girl Jessica
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is Smith and desireate Danielle per usual? Like I said before, when somebody
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didn't have the camera in front of me, we have y'all. Probably well,
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if you know you can see her because Desi Rae just kind of gave
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that up. Sorry, technical difficulty, Okay, who's the technical this desirats
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And we're super excited because you people that know who she is, you know,
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they know, they know, But if you don't know, you're about
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to find out because I don't know, and I'm about to find out.
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And I'm excited because there's a post that I put out on the Facebook and
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the Instagram, and the post went like, hey, tag your favorite emphasis
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on favorite mental health professional and this particular woman of God, uh huh,
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this particular person, uh huh. When I say tag delicious, tag delicious,
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like she her name just kept popping up, And I said, God,
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what is it about this one that has attracted so many? Yeah,
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and I said, I'm so curious that I'm gonna send an invitation, so
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we welcome the greatest, the tag delicious Okay, the one the only Jasmine
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Burns a ka doctor j Burns. Thank you. I'm excited. I'm kind
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of nervous because when people be when people people tell you they want that means
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you doing something real. Yeah. I want to say thank you to my
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church members, family members, grove going Baptist Church on the East Side in
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Woodland. Yes, so my church members, my family members, my school
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members, all of you guys. Thank you. Yeah, like y'all.
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Y'all was loud. Somebody even I'm not gonna tell you who the somebody is
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even DMed me and saying, hey, I tagged her, but I want
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you to know that she is needed. That's my sister, not bird sister,
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but sister. Okay, y'all sisters, if you get to catch the
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ju y'all sisters, I am excited for you to be here. I thank
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you in advance years. And I'm almost nervous because she paused, Baby,
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she over'll paused. Okay, she can't prepared. She knows, she knows,
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and she also she also is a podcaster, so she does this for
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a living too, like she does this as far as you know, letting
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you know. So I have been allowing the mental health professional to introduce themselves
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so there can be clarity to their names. Okay, so because we might
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have a future clients. Okay, so if you don't mind introducing yourself,
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doctor j Yeah, I'm doctor Jasmin the cole Burns. I have a doctorate
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in behavioral health management, so my doctor it focuses on the management of the
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facilities for behavioral health. My masters is in rehabilitation counseling, so vocational primarily.
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But my love has always been transitioned for whatever reason, whether it's students,
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whether it is parents, whether it's marriage, transition throughout life. That's
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my passion. So I'm here to serve the people, be here to serve
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of people. You know what, you give me servitude? You give me
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servitude. Why how does that assist you in your profession in the mental health
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area. Yeah, So my focus is mainly, like you said, on
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the people throughout life. That has been my focus, from my parents,
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from my pastor all of that. That has really helped me to see how
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I can help them and not have the focus on me. So a lot
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of times we go into any profession and we see, you know, how
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can the people around me? How can I help them? But it's really
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about how can I serve them? How can they best live their life?
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And that's what I want for our people, especially black people. And I
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see that you have a passion for people of color. Where is your back
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does your background help you with that? Like give us a backstory on like
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how you navigate that through your counseling, through serving Yeah, our people unapologically
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because sometimes folk people want to be like, oh well, if you so
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focus on the people, But if we don't have somebody to focus on us,
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it's like who's gonna listen? Who's who's on here? So how did
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you even get to that point? Yeah? Absolutely, So I tell people
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I am a small small child of God from from Ansley, Alabama. What
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I tell people from Ansley, Alabama? Yeah, moved all over. Yeah,
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I moved all over Birmingham. But from each area that I lived in,
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I always got this sense that we were being underserved. From food steps,
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from people coming into our neighborhoods, we were being underserved mentally. So
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I tell people we were served as far as our you know, basic needs,
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our home, all of that things. All of those things people gave
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us, we went to them, asked for it. But the one thing
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that we missed out on, you know, is our mental health. So
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I grew up in a high I Washold where my mother, first, being
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a single mother with four children, single mother with four children, received a
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whole bunch of help from a lot of different people where she struggled at night
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land in bed was with her mental health. So once even when she became
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married my stepfather, he was great with helping out with everything else, providing
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that type of thing, but he struggled with his mental health as well.
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So seeing that at extremes and he had bipolar disorder, seeing that as a
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child nine years old about when they got married, Seeing that really led me
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to believe that we needed some help in some other areas. That's so good.
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I'm so glad that we're in your story because what I do understand is
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that there is a personal point to where it influenced your professional experience. And
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so I love the fact that you shared that your mother as a single parent.
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My father raised me and my sister. My sister and I that's probably
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the more more boogie right to say, because you know, we're on with
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doctor j you know, but my my dad raised me and my sister,
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and I just knew the single parent home. And so one of the things
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that you you stated at the beginning is that you you specialize in I guess
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the idea of transition. When we think about transition, that word sometimes depending
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on in most cases it's a positive word. But then we don't think about
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the preparation for it. I want to get into some specific So you what
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does it look like to have a counselor, uh to aid in that in
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life's transition. We're gonna make it general right now, we're gonna break it
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down. Yeah, So having a counselor in your moments of transition is you
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need some guidance. So that's what I provide for a lot of my clients,
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and some guidance. Many of them are left onto their own So let's
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say, for example, college students when they get ready to graduate, they've
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done all the work and no one is there to guide them into the next
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step. Marriages people, they've done all the work before dating, but nobody
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is there to guide them into the next step. All of that lacks some
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type of guidance because people think, you know, I've taught them, so
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now let them be free students twelfth twelfth grade. A lot of times they've
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been left to their own device with no guidance. So and what I'm kind
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of like gathering what you're saying, because even my mind kind of went back
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to even the idea of single parenthood and the child. I love that we're
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talking about the chid, because I don't think there's a ray that we've gotten
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into the nitty gritty of what it is for a child to be or have
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therapy, like to go through a therapeutic process. And so with that in
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mind, like, how would you let me say in specifics with the child,
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how do you navigate or teach parents the importance of allowing you to assist
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them when they're the ones that's always having to be the doer or the provider
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of that thing. How do you because I know it's some parents that like
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if I was a single parent and I still have a struggle with receiving help
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because counselors are sent to help, Like, how do you navigate those conversations?
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What would you say to those parents that are needing guidance but are like
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I don't know about that. I don't know if I trust that year.
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Yeah, So most of the time with parents going in is they're on the
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defense. When you go in a lot of times with parents, a lot
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of parents they feel like, you know, you've been called out to them,
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someone has told on them, or there's something that they're doing wrong.
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And that's the part where a lot of people get defensive. Even when somebody
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suggests, you know, counseling or going to see a therapist. It's like
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something that I did wrong or I'm doing something wrong. So with parents,
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we have to adjust it and look from a different standpoint. So name the
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things that they're doing right first, pull out all of those things that have
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been successful. So I tell adults, even with them and their children,
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that there's things that you've been doing to live life because you're still alive.
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They're still alive. So you've been learning to get by and you've done things
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that you know overall they've been successful, but there's things that you need to
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work on and can improve on. Then we look at those things that they
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can improve on. Now, is this something like, okay, I got
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questions, questions just fail on me, Thank you Lord. So when we're
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talking about the child a therapeutic process, how involved is the parent in that
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process and what does that look like? Do I get to know everything my
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child is telling you like or are you just kind of giving me like a
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general synopsis of what that child is going through. Yeah, it depends on
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the age of the child. I would say, So the younger the child
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younger than thirteen, the parent is more involved, so we have to navigate
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how are you parents? And a lot of times and most of the time
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some parents do take some offense to it, but there's things that they can
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improve upon, So we talk about that in death. So most of the
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therapy sessions with younger children younger than thirteen involve the parent. So sometimes people
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come and they say, hey, my child is acting out in school,
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So we try to figure out what is going on in that household that's making
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them a lot of time it's for attention, so we try to figure out
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one on one time, what can you do as a parent, What other
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things can you see within the classroom that can be change? Older than thirteen,
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a lot of time I spend with the child some things the parent has
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been that way so long that they're not going to change, And sadly,
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sometimes I have to be that reality for that child that you only have a
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few more years to live with this parent, and for them they have some
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realization. And a lot of people discredit teenagers on what they can learn,
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what space they're in mentally, they discredit them from their knowledge. But a
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lot of times teenagers know who their parents are and their parents have been who
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they are for so long that it's not going to change. So a lot
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of times with older children, I do work more intentionally with a child to
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look forward on changing things in the future than the present. You know what,
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you just helped me forgive my counselor. There was a look, look,
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these are my confessionals. Listen, I'm trying to think because I was
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mad, Doctor j I was mad. I'm gonna tell you why I was
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mad, because all right, and maybe you can speak to this and kind
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of like provide clarity because that might be somebody listening that's in this predicament.
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Now I'm thirty two years old, so I'm far removed from it. But
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I remember being a child and my dad sending me or getting me a counselor
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because I had announced that I was gonna unlive myself right, and my reason
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being is because my dad and my mom had recently just gotten divorced or whatever.
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So it was just a lot I'm the oldest, like I'm my dad's
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oldest. I'm not my mom's oldest, but I'm my dad's oldest. So
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it was just a lot of I remember a lot of frustration and a lot
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of change dealing with that and so I remember, I remember saying things to
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my then counselor, and I enjoyed it. It was it was cool.
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But I felt a type of way when I found out that he knew things
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about my therapeutic process. And I was like, well, what's the point
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of him staying outside? Like what's the point of being behind to know if
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you're gonna tell them to bring them in? You know? I had that
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type of type of sense. So I feel like saying that out loud because
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it kept me from the therapeutic process. I think that it also gave me
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a point where I probably felt judged. If I if I'm really thinking about
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it, Oh, I feel like I'm in therapy right now. If I
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think about it, I feel like I was judged enough to be told on.
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Yeah. And so, how would you for families that are thinking about
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going through this process together? How would you teach someone to navigate that taking
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what you maybe what that client that specifically specific counselor. I'm sorry, I
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can't stand these braces, y'all. Sometimes I stuttered so much. But how
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would you take that and teach them how to translate that atmosphere to home and
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not make the child feel condemned for telling their truth. Yeah. So a
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lot of times I like to have a sit down communication with the patient,
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with the parents separately and then together. So I'm talking to the child and
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I'm letting them know before I tell them so what your therapist at that time
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didn't do, But I do it a lot. I sit down with a
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child and let them know, so you told me this, I'm gonna let
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you know why. I'm going to share this with your parent and the reason
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exactly for it and how it can help you. And then I'm sitting down
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with a parent and saying, maybe we can have this conversation with a child
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at a point where they feel more comfortable with, you know, sharing things
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with you. So my really big thing is on communication. So I want
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to open up a line of communication on both ways for the child, for
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the parent to feel like they are really learning something from the process, and
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so that their relationship can improve. That's so good. My brain is going
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like a million miles away because I think that the So we always have like
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practice conversations. Yeah, I like to do a lot of practice conversations with
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my clients and we sit down and say, you know, I'm talking to
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you as your mother, your father, how are you going to have this
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conversation? And we go through some one on ones, like what's important for
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you to say? Write it down those high points that's important for you to
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get across to them because a lot of times you're in the middle of a
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conversation, things go away from your mind and you start to focus on something
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else, or the other person may want to focus on something else, But
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what's really important for you to share with that other person and write it down,
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say you don't forget. That's so good, that's so good. What's
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coming up for me right now is the reasons why you brought one point earlier,
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but the reasons why people do not lean into the therapeutic process. What
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have you found to come of that in your practice of why people tend to
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like, I'm good people as in black people. If we want to be
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specific, us is okay? Us is that don't go but need it the
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most? Yeah, A number of reasons why. A lot of that is
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because, like you said, judgment. Many times a person is suggested from
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a friend, family member, somebody else that they don't know that they should
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seek therapy, and it's said in a harmful a hurtful way because they figure
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it's something wrong with you, it's something that you need to change. Now,
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a lot of people know that with therapy comes work, and that's what
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I tell my people the first time I meet them. You're coming here to
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do some work. So I'm not allowing you to just come in here and
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have a conversation because I'm not your girlfriend. I'm not We're not having that
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conversation. So we're coming here to do some work and coming to do some
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you know, changing within you. So if you're not ready to change,
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we can talk about the process and getting ready to change. Because I used
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to do my first start off within substance abuse, and a lot of people
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aren't ready for change. So that's something that we had to break down and
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you know, navigate and assist. You know, it's this person really ready
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for change. And now I've transitioned that into you know, my everyday client
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where most of them are going through some general transitions, not substance abuse,
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but still change. So the biggest thing that we talk about is being ready
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for change. But that's one of the biggest things that people don't one of
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the biggest reasons why they don't seek counseling because they're not really ready for change
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because they know it takes a lot of work, but nobody has prepared them
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or set them down and talk to them about what the work is and how
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simple the work can be, because a lot of times it gets overwhelming to
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them. So when they think about we're talking about a list of things,
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personality, who I am, who I've been for decades. Somebody is telling
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me that I need to change who I am, So they get offended by
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that. So even the you know the good things and therapy, that's one
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of the main things that I point out when we first talk. You know,
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what's your strengths? A lot of people don't know what they are.
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A lot of people have a whole list of strengths, and we work through
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to assess those. You know exactly what they are. But most of the
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time people don't seek therapy because of the fear of judgment from other people.
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You just say it some so solid bro, Like she just said so solid
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that you get people to acknowledge their strengths. I feel like she feel to
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come for my neck when I ask you this questions, what is the what
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what have you found that keeps people from seeing that because I'm gonna give you
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some preference because I like to use me as an example just to make things
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practical. I just had a conversation today actually with some of my leaders,
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and they asked me, why do you have a problem with acknowledging yourself or
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thinking that you've done like you're doing well? Like what is that blocking?
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And I can't even I honestly don't have an answer, like I don't I
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don't know. And if you was to ask me to write down my strengths,
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I could probably Right now, I'll probably be able to give you my
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three to five things, like what do you find it's the block. With
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acknowledgement comes responsibility. That's what it is. Once you acknowledge that you have
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some type of strength, you're responsible now for using that to the glory of
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God. So with acknowledgment comes a whole bunch of responsibility. Because as long
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as you're sitting in I'm gonna say, the ignorance of it or the unawareness
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of it or not even voicing it, you don't you don't ask, Yeah,
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you don't feel like you're responsible to act. Absolutely, So, now
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what I'm hearing you saying, is my lack of acknowledgment of my strengths is
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also the fear of the responsibility that comes with it. A lot of times
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it is, so does that make me a hypocrite? Like in my mind,
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it's like, okay, because I'm prove I'm in a space where I'm
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like encouraging people. I'm this is a space for influencers, and this is
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a space and but I'm also coming against myself and I'm not even influencing myself.
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It makes you're human? That was that was so therapeutic of you,
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that that was because sometimes, uh, I'll say, I'd be trying not
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to like be the vessel, but I really feel like it right now,
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so I'm just gonna go with it. Okay. It could be very much
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so robotic operating in the spirit of perfectionism right, Like we're using the word
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transition. I don't know how to transition out of that, and it's like
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I can only see what's needed to be done, like what is not good
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in a situation like I can praise everybody else and know that everybody else is
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good. But as far as for me, it's hard to transition out of
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the mindset of there's more to be done, Like, how how do give
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me some coping mechanisms? I need him, I need hi. I'm just
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saying because somebody's on here that can relate to what I'm saying, And like,
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how do I practically make that transition or practically move out of that space?
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What would be some homework that you would give me? Yeah, the
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largest homework that I give for any activity that anybody is going in and it's
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looking at the pros and cons. So, what's the worst thing that can
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happen if you move out of the spirit of perfectionism? What's the worst thing
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that happened? And then I give people to write a long list of those
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things, and from what they see, a lot of times is that their
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worst or what they're believe it's the worst. It's not the worst at all.
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So that's the biggest homework that I give people is to evaluate that and
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look at a lot of times, what you believe is your worst, You've
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already dealt with it, You've been already brought from it. So a lot
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of times people keep moving once they realize that, I'm sorry, I'm so
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glad that you're the last counselor I have to talk to get a whole life
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together. DELI, please listen. Okay, all right, let's let's let's
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take a hard turn. All right, So, uh, doctor J.
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One of the reasons I've also found and seen and that I'm currently experiencing if
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I can be transparent is that the the financial responsibility. Speaking of the fund
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responsibility, if I'm a single parent and I am I'm looking, let's say
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I have the mindset to do this for my not only for my child,
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but for myself, but I don't have the resources. What are some ways
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that people can navigate through through that because I'm aware of certain things, or
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maybe maybe it's a counselor the counselor type thing like, what are some resources
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people can use to make sure that they have the same opportunities others have with
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programs that will help you with your mind. Yeah, so there are a
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few things out there, and it depends on you, know, your level
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of need, and the biggest thing is going to find an organization in your
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community. So many times there are people out there that are reaching out and
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they're sharing things at the school, especially for parents. They are coming to
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the school and sharing things so they may send a flyer home and a lot
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of time we throw it out and put it in with the rest of the
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homework that type of thing. But a lot of resources are going out to
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the school. And I know recently Birmingham City Schools with their Truancy program,
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that was the biggest thing that they were trying to figure out, you know
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why so many students had not been attending school. So that's the Truancy program
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for Birmingham City Schools they recently started at the beginning of last school year.
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A lot of their students were missing out on school and they were trying to
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figure out the reason why many of them were missing out on school. A
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lot of them the reasons were their parents had to go to work, a
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lot of them didn't have transportation, a lot of them didn't have school uniform,
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food to eat, that type of thing. So they were working individually
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with students one on one that they saw were missing a lot of school to
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figure out what resources they needed. So schools are trying to help, and
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people in the community are trying to help. Churches especially are trying to help.
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A lot of times, it's really open for us to ask for the
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help something that we have a hard time doing as black people, it's asking
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for help, but we've been taught and condition to be that way. So
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how I'm so glad you brought that so as a because you're not You're not
29:07
superwoman, right, So as a counselor, what what does it practically look
29:11
like your responsibility is in I guess advocating for situations such as that, like
29:18
with the prompting of asking for help and making sure that the help is received.
29:23
Yeah. So that's a thing that I like to have available for my
29:27
clients when we talk one on one see what area they're in, is to
29:33
have a list of resources. And many counselors out there do, so I
29:36
do say go out and reach out to some of the counselors in your area.
29:38
They do have lists of resources, food banks, different things that are
29:42
available to people in the area. That's that's good question coming up because I
29:48
feel like a lot of people say, okay, well you want me to
29:55
go to a counselor, but it's so much to choose from. Like if
29:57
I'm navigating through and I'm this is my first time looking for a therapist,
30:02
looking for a counselor, what advice or suggestions would you give people to look
30:07
for a mental health professional. Yeah, so a lot of times I suggest
30:12
to people going out to Psychology Today Therapy for Black Girls, a lot of
30:18
therapists have profiles on that page. But also reaching out to people that you
30:23
know individually, people that you see are being successful that you hope to be
30:29
like a lot of them are already seeking therapy or have sought therapy, and
30:33
they have some suggestions for you. But with the online platform Psychology Today,
30:37
in Therapy for Black Girls, a lot of them the therapist will spell out,
30:41
you know, what their focus is, what their interests are, who
30:45
their clientele is. They have their websites out there, and I've seen very
30:51
recently in Birmingham a lot of therapists having like fairs. So I went to
30:56
one last year, but there was one one that was set up for it
31:00
today but the rain they rescheduled it for next week. But a lot of
31:04
people are having mental health fairs now at churches, outside of churches, in
31:10
the community mental health fares where you can actually meet the therapists. But the
31:14
biggest thing that I like to tell people when you're searching for someone for therapy
31:18
that the first person that you reach out to or that you sit down and
31:22
have a therapy session with may not be the person for you. That's so
31:27
good? At what point? Because I think, okay, in my mind,
31:33
this is my mind like once you once you say okay, I'm committed
31:37
to, you know, going to therapy, and I find a therapy,
31:41
I'm really not encouraged to look for somebody else, like because I don't even
31:45
like dating like that. Yeah, I don't even like dating like this.
31:49
So it's like what what I don't know? How do I know? What
31:53
questions do I need to ask? In the first I guess counseling saysion that
31:57
will help me know to move on quickly so I won't be discouraged. Yeah.
32:01
So many therapists they give like a fifteen minute consultation and I do that
32:06
and I talk to the client or potential client about what it is, you
32:10
know, my background. I talk to them and ask them about their needs.
32:15
And that's when you can talk specifically about some things that you're experiencing.
32:20
And if that therapist have some background, you can ask them about you know,
32:23
their background and working with If you've been experiencing some symptoms of depression or
32:28
anxiety, it is that something that they have experience in. But a lot
32:31
of times that first session, even after the consultation, that first hour session,
32:37
you really get to know the therapists their personality, and from there you'll
32:43
know what your focus is. Because sometimes I've seen people therapists very different approaches.
32:49
Some of them they talk directly, and depending on the client that I'm
32:52
talking with, my personality can be more direct or indirect depending on what they
32:55
need. So it may be your pro therapy as well that changes. You
33:01
know, how that therapist is communicating with you. You just total, you
33:07
just said something that I can't run past. So basically, based upon my
33:10
level of communication with the therapist, the therapist is I guess encouraged to make
33:16
the proper adjustments so that the client is comfortable. So if I'm if I'm
33:22
not making it known what I need in the beginning, yeah, I'm more
33:27
than likely to experience disappointment in my therapy. Yes, yeah, And I
33:30
ask. I'm very direct, so I will ask we come in here to,
33:35
you know, talk real about what it is that you really need.
33:37
So I'm going to ask directly, and a lot of times in communication,
33:42
we're taught to kind of skirt around what it is that we need. We're
33:45
taught to not directly say what it is that we really need. But I
33:52
talk to my clients individually, one on one, and really dive deep into
33:55
the things that they're desiring to, you know, move into and move away
34:00
from. So we talked directly about that, and I tell them that my
34:07
therapy approach is really based on what it is that they present. So if
34:10
you come to me and you're really only talking about school and that's what you
34:15
want to focus on, I can focus on that. But if you want
34:17
to take a whole deep dive into you growing up as a child and the
34:22
trauma that you experienced from that, I can go way back to there.
34:25
I'm so glad you just brought that up because I was just up figuring.
34:30
I was like, Okay, what if I got a whole bunch of stuff
34:34
going on, how do you how do you know what to hit first?
34:37
Like, I don't I got relationship issues. I'm transitioned from college to you
34:43
know, I got all this stuff I'm having. You know, I don't
34:45
know if you consider yourself a Christian counsel or you bring spirituality inside, because
34:49
I know that's yeah, it is, But like, how do I how
34:53
do I know what to tell you? What I want to attack first?
34:55
Because right now I can't even think. I'm just happy that I'm here.
35:00
If I be real, I'm just happy to be in the service one more
35:04
time, because it's like, how do you teach people to navigate? Okay,
35:07
this is what we're gonna take first, or do you just are you
35:09
just allowing the therapists to have like dump on them and then y'all go through
35:15
the processes like cause I'm curious about it because I'm gonna find me in therapy.
35:19
Yeah, So I go individually. I go through every area of your
35:22
life. So we talk that first time. We break down what does your
35:27
spiritual state look like? What does your general mental state look like? Your
35:30
health, your physical fitness, how does that look your family relationship, your
35:36
romantic relationship, and we different differentiate between those and go through and talk one
35:44
knowing about each of those situations. So if there's something spiritual that you have
35:47
going on, then financial we talk about that too, because what does your
35:51
career your education look like, what does your family love life look like?
35:54
Where do you want those? So our first step is to assess where you
35:59
are in each those areas. So I go one by one and talk to
36:01
you about each of those areas. And then our second meeting is where we
36:06
go and look at where do I want to be in each of those areas?
36:09
And then what's the biggest priority for me? What's gonna help me to
36:15
move forward fastest, what's gonna help me to move forward and be the most
36:19
important to me? What's gonna make the biggest impact on my life right now?
36:23
So that's what we go through and decide do I need to Is it
36:27
my relationship that stresses me out? Can I make a quick decision on that?
36:30
Or is it something else with my career that stresses me out? Is
36:32
it something spiritual that I need to work on? And how important? So
36:36
we go through a rating system and we rate how important on one to ten
36:39
is this area of your life for you? And what impact is it making
36:45
on you? Know your stress level right now? So if we need to
36:49
listen your stress level and you know your finances is your biggest maybe we need
36:53
to talk about that first. That's good. I'm envisioning myself on your couch.
37:02
I am envisioning myself on your couch, and the way you're you're talking
37:08
is so good? So how do I navigate if I'm I'm your and the
37:13
reason And let me be very clear, you guys, this is not a
37:15
therapy session. But my goal here is to give you, for one break
37:21
the fear of what this process really is. Because in my like real talk,
37:30
the TV will have you missed up? Like the TV, what have
37:35
you messed up? And it's not the real thing. And so my heart
37:39
is really to give us and on a proper understanding and a visual place.
37:45
And so I hope you don't mind me pulling on you like this and making
37:47
putting myself in that place. And so with let's say we've navigated through that
37:53
and I come in on a day where I'm just like, I can't see
37:59
beyond what's in front of me right now? What is the communication on?
38:04
Like, but I know what I'm coming to you for. I want to
38:07
get to the route, but I'm terrified or I don't know the language or
38:12
how do you help me navigate through that? What does that process look like?
38:15
Yeah, the biggest thing that I told people when they first come in
38:20
is that my goal is to educate them. So like you're talking about,
38:23
most people don't know what they're signing themselves up for when they do it.
38:28
So I educate them on the process and what it looks like. And as
38:31
far as terms, that's one of the biggest things I have. So many
38:35
people come to me and they was like, I don't know what to call
38:37
it, or I don't know if this is anxiety or depression, and I
38:43
don't know if you would call it something else. But I'm like, talk
38:45
to me as if you're talking to you know, somebody on the street that
38:49
has no sense of what it is. So describe to me what you're going
38:52
through and what you need help with. So I educate people. So I
38:57
sit down and take the time, and a lot of people don't have the
39:00
opportunity for them to be educated, and you know what the different practices are
39:05
as far as therapeutic processes, they don't know. You know, individual they
39:09
may have been labeled as a child with having ADHD, they don't know what
39:14
that looks like or you know what the definition of that is or what the
39:16
cause of that is. So I educate them a lot of times on some
39:21
of the things that they may have been previously diagnosed with or heard something about.
39:24
A lot of my education is because people have heard stuff on social media
39:29
and now they think they have it. So a lot of my education is
39:32
about doing that. You okay, I'm so we in tune because I was
39:37
just about to ask you, because you know, I'm not gonna call nobody
39:39
else in my family, but my sister she likes Google. She likes Google,
39:47
okay, and so we and I've used Google myself, and so how
39:52
does one know what are some signs because we thought its word anxiety and depression?
39:58
Like, what are some signs that I have it too? And what
40:00
do I do? What do I need to go to? Because I'm about
40:05
to tell you something. I'm telling myself, Okay, doctor Jams. So
40:07
I'm about to tell myself self had some depression. I didn't know what it
40:15
was. I didn't know what it was, and all my folks knew.
40:19
And I'm grown at this point, like I'm grown, full grown, not
40:22
thirty year but full grown at this point. I remember them taking me to
40:30
the doctor. I think it was an urgent care and they made me take
40:34
this test yes, like on the scale of one to ten, I guess,
40:37
and they were just like, well, oh yeah, you're severely depressed.
40:42
And they prescribed me something. The medicine they prescribed me made me so
40:46
jittery that I was so discouraged to go do anything else. What did I
40:51
do wrong in that situation? No, this situation happens very often, so
40:57
a lot of times we go to our primary care physician, or some people
41:00
even end up in the emergency room, especially if it is anxiety. A
41:06
lot of times they're having heart palpitations, they're palms are sweat and they may
41:09
even have a fever and they think something is going on. They may be
41:13
having a heart attack or something like that, or they think they are.
41:15
And a lot of times it's anxiety or they've just had a panic attack.
41:20
But many times what the doctors do is they try to get you out of
41:22
there. So they are getting paid for fifteen or thirty minutes, and they
41:27
try to get you out of there as soon as possible, and a lot
41:30
of times they don't educate you. And for a lot of my clients,
41:34
I tell them that sadly, they don't feel as their job even though it
41:40
is. Wow, a lot of times they don't feel like, you know,
41:44
that's what they're called to do. So I take that time and a
41:46
lot of therapists do take that time to explain what it is and therapy can
41:51
help in that situation. So even for people that are going to a psychiatrist,
41:55
and that's one of the things that I educate on as well as it's
42:00
a difference between a psychiatry. Can you please I mean, god, j
42:04
I'm so sorry, can you please please make the what is what is the
42:08
difference? Yeah, So a psychiatrist has a medical degree just like your primary
42:14
care physician. You're cardiologists, but they're a specialist just like that cardiologists would
42:20
be. So they have that medical degree and most of their training is on
42:22
the internal process that you go through, the chemical imbalance that many people have
42:28
for depression, anxiety, and a lot of times some of that some of
42:34
your symptoms can be fixed through that. So seeing that psychiatrist most of your
42:37
most of the time, the appointment is only fifteen minutes, so they don't
42:42
sit down and do yeah it's fifteen yeah. So they're coming in there.
42:47
What we call it this medication management, So they're just trying to see how
42:52
is this medication affecting you? Do I need to change it? Is it
42:54
working? What dosas do we need to decrease the increase, but they're not
43:00
talking to you about your life situations that are also affecting you. So some
43:04
people they have chemical depressions. Some people have some other symptoms that may be
43:09
going on internally, some things that may be even hereditary that they're experiencing with
43:14
their mental health. So medication may help that, but therapy in combination is
43:19
the best process for all. So does my we're gonna act like just is
43:25
the person does just go get that information from the psychiatrist or I gotta look
43:31
for both because in my mind, where we not need to work together?
43:36
Like is there not a team? Like because to me it seems broken and
43:40
like but you telling me I'm getting fifteen minutes here, but I get an
43:45
hour with you And now I'm popping PILs and trying to find therapy and don't
43:49
let me be spiritual because I'm like, where's Jesus this? Like what what
43:54
helped me navigate through that? Like? Who helps me find the next person?
44:00
All right? Yeah, So a lot of times the doctors, if
44:02
you have a good primary care doctor, they will refer you to a therapist
44:07
once they prescribe the medicine or if there's something more serious that they're seeing,
44:12
like you may have bipolar which requires a lot more concentration. They may refer
44:17
you to a psychiatrist, so the therapist, they're going to sit there and
44:21
talk to you. A lot of times there are connections between the two,
44:27
the therapists and the doctor, a communication, but the communication is very brief.
44:31
So I send for my patients that requested, I will send an update
44:37
to their doctor letting them know how our process is going, how many times
44:43
they've been to therapy, what things were working on, what things are improving,
44:45
what things are not improving, so that they can get that update.
44:50
But a lot of times there's not a communication between the doctor your primary care
44:53
or the psychiatrist and your therapist. So y'all may be working all completely different
44:59
things and there may be completely different diagnosis. So I always tell people to
45:04
seek both at the same time at the same time. Even Okay, so
45:10
because we're talking about our community and we real sensitive about the mental health and
45:17
the chemical imbalance and the words crazy and yeah, I can't stand the word,
45:23
like I really I really wish we could use a different term, but
45:30
just to make it plain for us, like how like, okay, I'm
45:35
sorry, my brain is going because my thing, my thing is this doctor
45:39
j is that when we believe something or when we when we are in living
45:45
in this lie. First of all, I gotta break the lie that I
45:47
don't need help. Then I gotta break the lie that there's possibly something.
45:52
There's no there might not be any chemical imbalance, because if there is,
45:55
then I'm deemed it's crazy. Then I'm deemed as unusable, that I'm deemed
45:59
as all these things, like we keep bringing the bipolar world up, So
46:02
let's do there. So what I've learned about that that specific mental disorder is
46:08
that when not treated, it can go left. Yes, And so with
46:15
families, I'm very big on this with families that deal with whether they're the
46:20
person that's with the diagnosis or the person the people that are nurturing that what
46:24
advice do you give them when when they're in this space of I ain't nothing
46:30
wrong with me, but we keep going through the same thing over and over
46:32
again, like how how do you how could you send words of encouragement or
46:37
support? Like what what do they need to do as a unit As a
46:42
younger, The first step is coming in and talk to talking to a therapist,
46:45
that's what I recommend first as a family. Yes, okay, as
46:50
a family. Yes yeah, yes, as a family. And that's one
46:53
of the things that I want for the Black community. It's saying that that's
46:58
okay to do as a family. A lot of times we're torn in many
47:02
directions as a family unit, and different things are keeping us apart. And
47:08
it's been structured that way for decades, for centuries, and in order for
47:13
us to really improve as a family unit black people in general, we've got
47:19
to start working to navigate to really get over the problems the issues that we're
47:25
facing as a unit. So we've been taught to do things separately, to
47:30
be independent, strong, work on it and move forward the process. A
47:35
lot of people, most of my people are individual therapy, but they have
47:38
husbands, they have children, they have other family members, sisters, brothers
47:43
that also need therapy, and they tell me that a lot of times,
47:46
and I challenge them to have that talking conversation and invite them into therapy.
47:52
So I'm working with quite a few different people to move to have that conversation
47:58
with their family members, like this would be a good idea, And the
48:00
reason why it would be a good idea and we break that down and individually
48:05
talk about that. But if we're gonna move forward as a community as people,
48:09
we're all gonna need some healing individually and together. I think we just
48:15
kind of hit something that I'm like, okay, lord, because that the
48:21
and we're not even just gonna call out my public schosophrenia like anything that is
48:24
outside of the I don't want to say normal, but that that need that
48:30
has required required medication to it. What is What are your thoughts on the
48:37
holistic practices on managing those detrimental disorders that I would say detrimental because they are
48:52
more serious, like if you don't do something about this, like like you
48:57
might not remember me by the time you're seventy years old, you know what
49:01
I'm saying, Like I don't think we really think about that, Like I
49:06
don't. I really don't as a people. I really think we don't think
49:08
about the longevity or the legacy we leave when we don't address it. But
49:14
there's this, you know, everything cute and old holistic. I'm doing holistic
49:19
herbs and all this stuff like that. But what would you what are your
49:22
thoughts on that? Because I hear stuff, but I'm not aware of that,
49:28
the effectiveness of the holistic practices on those levels of mental health disorders.
49:32
Yeah, So I am an encourager, so I encourage people to give things
49:38
a try. So if that's what they want to give a try first,
49:43
we can do a trial period three months, six months, and after that
49:47
we need to try something different. So if that's not working for you,
49:52
you know, herbal medication or whatever you're trying, maybe we need to try
49:57
talking to that psychiatrist and try a medication. And a lot of times for
50:01
people prescribe medications, that first one, just like I said, with your
50:06
therapists, that first therapist may not be the one for you that medication.
50:09
A lot of times it takes about three before they find the right one for
50:14
you. What Okay, I need you to run it back. I need
50:19
you to say that again because I don't I'm so remember I just told you
50:23
that I gave up on the medicine or whatever that that was given to me.
50:27
And not to say because you know us as believes, sometimes you go
50:30
you just need Jesus, you just need now. Jesus made these options for
50:37
a reason. So something wrong and you need little help. I mean,
50:39
ain't no it's no different than like, you know, high blood pressure or
50:45
having to go to the doctor because you keep having my grains, Like it's
50:49
the same thing, Like you're taking care of yourself and so like that process
50:55
of I guess it requires a level of patience with not only the doctor but
51:01
yourself because you really don't know how you respond to I guess certain medications.
51:08
So is it different medications or is it just like different doses. Yeah,
51:16
it can be both. Okay, so it can be both. And what
51:21
I was thinking while you were talking is a lot of times we've been conditioned
51:24
as black people from centuries, and there's reasons why, you know, trusting
51:29
medicines, trusting doctors, there's reason why we have a hard time doing that,
51:34
especially black women. So given that opportunity, there are different do suggests,
51:40
but there's also different lines of medications that work to change the function of
51:46
different neurotransmitters that you have in your brain. So chemical neurotransmitter chemistry stuff.
51:54
Way back from eleventh grade, they yeah subject, okay, Yeah, that
52:04
wasn't my favorite subject either. Yeah, that's why I didn't go into psychiatry.
52:07
But I'm glad God called me to be a therapist. But yes,
52:12
yeah, So there's different medicines, there's different dosages, and a lot of
52:17
times the doctor may try a different dosage or they may try a different medicine
52:23
that may react with a different part of your brain. So you have to
52:29
give them time. And I told people most of the medicines take about a
52:31
month two months to get in your system, and a lot of times after
52:37
that we've given up on the medicine because we're expecting it to work now.
52:42
Just like therapy, a lot of people give up on it after two or
52:45
three months because we're expecting it to work. Now. This is coming up,
52:52
and I gotta ask this because I just feel like somebody may feel like
52:54
this, is this something that and it's the ignorance of this question, but
53:02
is this the curiosity of was I born with this? Like how would you
53:07
respond like is this something I was born with? Or is this something that
53:12
trauma ignited with these these orders both? So some people genetics play a lot
53:20
of part into it. And the reason why we have a hard time finding
53:23
out a lot of times if genetics played a part into it, it's because
53:27
our community doesn't talk about issues. So my aunt may have experienced it,
53:32
or my great grandmother may have experienced it and we chucked it off to something
53:37
else. We didn't talk about it at all. A lot of times we
53:40
hide it. So I've seen, especially I've worked with a lot of children
53:45
with autism, and they think back. Family members like my uncle may have
53:52
had it. I didn't know. They didn't know, We didn't talk about
53:55
it. We just brushed it off. So a lot of things are gen
54:00
but a lot of things happen by our growing up and the experiences that we're
54:04
in. So our socioeconomic environment puts a lot of us into depression, causes
54:13
us to be anxious because we're worried about, you know, the things going
54:15
on on the outside of our door when we wake up in the morning.
54:19
So a lot of times it can be both, and then the combination of
54:22
those can make it even worse. That's that's so good. You just brought
54:29
some up, and I promise you I'm gonna stop pulling on your woman to
54:31
God, but I've been learning so much through this. It's been real good.
54:37
And I love how God just allowed different things to come up and just
54:39
like make things practical. You brought the word autism up and isn't that something
54:44
that well, because when I looked it up, maybe what's that neu diversion?
54:52
Yes, yeah, neurodiversion. What First of all, what does that
54:57
mean? This word just keep going around. But isn't that something deal with
55:00
with the autistic? Yeah, so it's a list of different disorders or diagnosies
55:06
that are under that. So it's autism ADHD for a lot of people.
55:12
But really what the word is looking at is there's a difference in your brain
55:17
and how you navigate the world as a whole, and how you navigate your
55:22
interaction with people, how you navigate your interaction day to day. It's different
55:27
from the typical person. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And
55:35
so in my smartness, in my smartness, I would guess that because okay,
55:44
I guess, well, in my let's start with my ignorance. In
55:46
my ignorance, I guess just for an example, like an autistic kid or
55:51
autistic person, I wouldn't think that naturally, it's like, oh, what
55:57
would they need there? Before? Man, that's so bad, But it's
56:01
probably somebody else they think that too. But it's like, what would they
56:06
need therapy for? Because would they be able to comprehend to change because they
56:12
can't really helps. That's just my ignorance. But in the smart well,
56:17
no, I'm just gonna allow you to correct. Yeah, just ignorance.
56:22
You would be so surprised how many therapists going through school aren't educated on working
56:29
with children with autism. So I used to work in the college atmosphere,
56:36
and there's been in the recent decade a surge for children who have autism,
56:42
children who have learning disabilities to attend college. So there are some programs all
56:47
over the US that have specifically for those students, a special agenda for them
56:53
to attend college, and many of them, you know, navigating the things
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that general college students do. So I've had students go to the therapists at
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their university and have some trouble. So they had trouble communicating with those therapists.
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Those therapists didn't want to accept them as patients because they did not know
57:15
how to communicate with them. They did not know if the therapy would be
57:21
effective, did not know how to talk to them. So that is a
57:23
specialty. So I talk to people and a lot of my clients they either
57:30
have some form of autism or their children. So I talk with a lot
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of people whose children have some autism as well, learning how to navigate and
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communicate with them. But not all therapists are trained to communicate with individuals with
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autism. That's powerful within itself because now they bring it back to the family
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therapy or the family dynamic of it is not only what I just heard to
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say, is not only important for the person that's been deemed autistic, but
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actually the family of it. Because Black people we just generalize everything is crazy,
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like unfortunately, generalize things as two things either crazy or you slow,
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yeah or both. You know what I'm saying. And it's like, no,
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there's a language, there's a term for it, and then there's a
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language that goes with the term. That's when I'm if I ain't learned nothing
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else today, I've learned that we have to call the thing a thing.
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Then there's language for that thing, and then we know there's navigation for it.
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This I might be a door, I might I might have a little
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doctor jor Okay, that's a right, man. This has been really good,
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Like I said much, but I've just been sitting there just taking it
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in. And you know, when you when you get the information if you're
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in a space of growth, like you can really just kind of evaluate like
58:52
looking back over your family, you know, like interactions and things that you've
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had. And the one thing I can appreciate, Doctor Jay's what I've observed
59:01
is like your heart really is for people. And because it's for people,
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you've you understand that because we a lot of times won't go to therapy and
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the reasons why you make it your mission to make sure they're educated on you
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know, hey, how can this benefit you? Like what are we doing?
59:20
Like this is the information so that they can then make an informed decision,
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you know what I'm saying. But what I but when y'all were talking,
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what came up was like how we go to the doctor, Right,
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we go to the doctor and we may have something really going on, but
59:30
they'd be like, how are you feeling today? What's going on? Like?
59:32
Oh, my toe hurt? Right, So now the doctor is looking
59:36
like, oh now, let me let me, let me help the toe.
59:38
But really it's deeper than that because you know, we're not comfortable with
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going in being honest about what's going on. And so that's kind of like
59:45
with therapy, like when you make the decision because you have to make a
59:47
decision to go. Like, if you're going to make the decision to go,
59:51
you might as well just go and go on in and just with your
59:57
time, you know, resources, with you paying out of pocket or whether
59:59
it's in insurance or whatever. But if you really want to get the benefit
1:00:01
out of it, you just have to go in as open as you can.
1:00:06
It's open as you know how to, and then allow the process to
1:00:07
be the process, because we want to go in and put the put the
1:00:10
chicken in the microwave and it be done in two seconds, right, But
1:00:14
get that part. But you just got to allow the process too, because
1:00:17
everybody's process is different. So I just love I've just been soaking it all
1:00:22
in, and you know, just because it's like they're very intelligent, like
1:00:27
very matter of fact and and and and not necessarily a matter of fact of
1:00:30
like I know it all, but so passionate and certain servitude of your knowledge.
1:00:35
Like exactly, I see why people said your name, Like I really
1:00:39
I really understand because it doesn't seem like you have a problem with somebody walking
1:00:44
to you say hey, I got questions, Yeah, and why I commit
1:00:46
to this because it's fear attached to it, if you're attached to somebody else
1:00:51
seeing your nickedness, because eventually if you get but the beautiful thing. And
1:00:54
I want to say this because God gave me this revelation not too long ago.
1:01:00
Is that you know, just like Jesus said, when I leave here,
1:01:05
I'm sending you a helper, right, he gave me the correlation of
1:01:09
the helper being the counselor like if we as believers, right, Holy Spirit
1:01:16
can work through people like that. Literally, that's what normally happens. And
1:01:23
even if he's working within you, you are the person, right, And
1:01:27
so it's like, if we believe in Jesus, we believe in the totality
1:01:35
of him. I think we can't separate Jesus in Holy Spirit, you know
1:01:39
what I'm saying. I think it's a detriment to us to do that.
1:01:44
And then when we separate Holy Spirit from people, we kind of like our
1:01:49
detriment to ourselves. And so what I mean is I thank you for being
1:01:52
the helper, like it's so you are so needed, like other therapists,
1:02:00
the people, psychiatrists, mental health professionals, thank you, like really thank
1:02:05
you for allowing people to dump on you like real talk like just I don't
1:02:12
know why I'm going here, but I'm just gonna trust it. Thank you
1:02:15
for allowing people to be ugly. Thank you for allowing people to surrender themselves,
1:02:21
surrender the idea of being perfect, surrender idea of having to live in
1:02:27
rejections, surrendering the idea of having to only be available for everybody else but
1:02:32
themselves. Thank you for being the liaison. Thank you for being the prime
1:02:37
example that Jesus left you for us. God, God, thank you so
1:02:42
much. And I pray, I don't know why I'm doing this, but
1:02:45
I'm gonna go with it. I pray for people like doctor j. I
1:02:49
pray that they get the stamina, that they get the self awareness, that
1:02:52
they get what's needed for them, not for us, but for themselves,
1:02:57
because they've given of themselves in a fashion like they're the professional. Hell they
1:03:02
said, I'm going to surrender in some cases, I'm about to be real.
1:03:05
There's some cases they're not even paid for what they do. They're not
1:03:08
even paid in full of what they do. Some of it. Some of
1:03:10
these people are doing it from the kindness of their heart. And so the
1:03:14
excuse, my God, so the excuse of not having the resources, not
1:03:19
having what we need to be better. It is a choice. It is
1:03:22
a choice, and these people are saying, hey, I am available,
1:03:27
I am available. The reward is that you you operate in the choice of
1:03:31
being healed. I think that would correct me if I'm wrong with doctor Jay.
1:03:35
Would you would that be the best reward that you see out of someone
1:03:38
situation? Yeah, that's my end goal is to help the people that I'm
1:03:43
working with to find their purpose. That's my sole goal. So I have
1:03:50
and you're talking about doing it for free. I have three slots available on
1:03:55
Yeah, I just got in my body as to them whether they have insurance,
1:04:01
I'm not charging Come on, so okay, let's go there. How
1:04:04
how can they reach out to you on this? And this is for people
1:04:08
that see this platform, So I need y'all to be very Doctor j just
1:04:12
says she has three slots available. If you're watching this, how do they
1:04:16
need to do they need to submit at Oh my god, oh break,
1:04:23
we're freeing people. Come on, Oh my god, this is so excited.
1:04:26
She said, three slots. How do you want to do psychology today?
1:04:29
I'm under their jasmine or doctor Jasmine and burns on Psychology today. You'll
1:04:33
find me in the three five, two two eight area if you want to
1:04:38
find me quicker, but you can type in my full name, doctor Jasmine
1:04:41
and Burns on Psychology today. Those three slots. There is no set limit.
1:04:46
So if we're working together for a year, I gotcha. Whoa.
1:04:53
So they need to mention that they saw you on just as the podcast.
1:04:56
They can or they don't even have to. Okay, yeah, I'm just
1:04:59
look. I will to make sure we got full instruction, full instruction,
1:05:02
y'all. She said three, will you be one? And I've found real
1:05:06
churches right now? Will you be one? She didn't laid it on the
1:05:10
line, so, oh my gosh, I feel Listen, this is a
1:05:15
blessing. Thank you. That is so thank you so much. I'm thanking
1:05:19
on behalf of y'all. Whoever the three is like, like, y'all,
1:05:21
y'all's life is about to change. And she says, no, there's no
1:05:25
time limit. So we bless God, and God is gonna bless you tremendously
1:05:28
for that. Oh my god, I just let me not go because I'm
1:05:30
finna tap into a whole, a whole nother place. And so this has
1:05:34
been I've learned so much through this whole process. Whatever you didn't, you
1:05:40
didn't broke my brain today, like you have really broken my brain in in
1:05:44
a great way. And I want to give you an opportunity each time on
1:05:47
just as the podcast, we give opportunity for the guests to leave a final
1:05:51
thought. If you had any final words, if they didn't hear anything you
1:05:55
said, what would be your last final your last comment in this in this
1:06:00
series. Yeah, my last thought is to do us best for you for
1:06:06
the glory of God, so that he can lead you into your purpose.
1:06:12
If you don't know what it is, we can work to find out what
1:06:15
it is. Yeah, really big on finding what you've been called to do
1:06:21
here on this earth. And that's how you're gonna long term stay happy.
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Mmm. That's so good. Y'all heard it from doctor J. Deliray.
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I don't know if I want to do this. It's been very sobering,
1:06:40
sobering, awake, I'm awake. It's this has been amazing. Thank you,
1:06:49
doctor J. I really appreciate you for them. Oh listen, if
1:06:55
y'all didn't hear throughout your podcast real quickly, but that is in for the
1:06:59
mellanedd and Sky that medicine for the millanated and misguid that you guys, that's
1:07:04
her voice, that's her platform, and so if you are curious about more
1:07:09
details regarding the aspect of mental health, please go follow her subscribe. She
1:07:15
has definitely won my subscription, I mean, my guy, and not saying
1:07:18
that you were trying to, but my guy, I mean I'm going to
1:07:21
subscribe because you're very well rounded, will knowledge and will balanced, and so
1:07:28
we appreciate you. Thank you so much for participating in this series. Thank
1:07:30
you for your yees DESI rae yeah, until next time. Until next week,
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Remember life could be much more simple if you just ask see you later.
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thank God for one another day. Hey, Hey, I know we could
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be another way. Hey, pray thank God for another day. Hey Hey,
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I'm just thankful another day. Hey Hey another day? Oh, another
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day? Wise, another day to get it right. Another day to rise
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up, another day living another day. We loved ones I always remember hold
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it down for a ball one? Yeah, Okay,