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The Russian Woodpecker (Free Version) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, this is Adam, host to the podcast you're
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  Speaker 1: about to listen to. Just a heads up that we're
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  Speaker 1: on a little mini break this week, but me and
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  Speaker 1: Connor will be back next week to let you know
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  Speaker 1: if you should be worried about the government labeling you
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  Speaker 1: a domestic terrorist. Until then, please enjoy this episode that
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  Speaker 1: was originally recorded and released way back in July twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three. But here's the catch. It was for subscribers only.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're releasing it free for the whole entire world.
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  Speaker 1: The episode covers a documentary about a weird Soviet era
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  Speaker 1: contraption called the Russian Woodpecker that may or may not
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  Speaker 1: have been a massive listening device capable of spying on
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  Speaker 1: most of the world. And again, we'll be back in
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  Speaker 1: business with all new episodes next week. Thanks, we love you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: dary podcast with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm Kim Krawl. Hi O.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Kim's here. Everyone knows you've been on the pod
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  Speaker 1: a few times. You've done more than one conspiracy episode.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I think I've only done the one more I
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  Speaker 3: told you I believe that Paul McCartney died in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: I still believe that was a barn burner of an episode.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way you still believe that. All Right, different
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  Speaker 1: topic this week?
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  Speaker 3: What's barn burner of an episode? That's not me?
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  Speaker 1: Why do I get questioned about the phrase barn burner
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  Speaker 1: so much? Has no one ever heard that? It's just
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  Speaker 1: a phrase that describes something that's very action packed and fun,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty There are more things that are action packed than
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  Speaker 3: burning a bar. And I feel like you just said
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  Speaker 3: it on fire and then you watch it burn.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Maybe I'm using the phrase wrong. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I've been the pride I this whole time, So
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  Speaker 1: no one knows. Kim, how's it going?
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  Speaker 3: Good? Good? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I'm fantastic, I am.
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  Speaker 3: Does no one ever ask you that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean no, not really, not really. People just power
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  Speaker 1: past so they can plug whatever they have to plug. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking. Sure people ask me how I'm doing and
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  Speaker 1: I'm always good, are you? I'm great, I'm fantastic good
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  Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, I haven't had any issues in my
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  Speaker 1: life recently except that needle that was in my face.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, that's fixed.
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  Speaker 3: That was wild.
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  Speaker 1: It sure was. So I guess all of that makes
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  Speaker 1: for a very smooth transition into our topic this week.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Chernobyl. Which here's the thing. Chernobyl, it
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  Speaker 1: was a huge problem. I'm just gonna say it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna put it out there that what happened at
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  Speaker 1: the Chernobyl nuclear plant disaster, I would call it is bad.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's a fair not on a limb
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  Speaker 3: thing to say. You're probably not going out on a limb.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably not really old enough to remember that much
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  Speaker 1: about Chernobyl, right, because you're like Jeff's age, so you
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  Speaker 1: would have been like five, like four, yeah, four or
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  Speaker 1: five when it happened. Yeah, I was ten, so I
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  Speaker 1: remember it pretty vividly, like that the Space shut Challenger exploding,
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  Speaker 1: Like I remember all of those things because I was
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  Speaker 1: in you know, fourth fifth grade shit.
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  Speaker 3: Like that, And did the Challenger explode because I kind
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  Speaker 3: of remember that.
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  Speaker 1: But also eighty six.
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  Speaker 3: But that okay, maybe we just talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that made more headlines because it was a Space
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  Speaker 1: Shuttle launch, so countless numbers of kids were watching it
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  Speaker 1: happen live, and so that's probably why you remember that
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  Speaker 1: no one was watching when Chernobyl blew up except probably
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  Speaker 1: the CIA, MI six things like that. But we're Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: we're covering this theory that Chernobyl was an inside job,
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  Speaker 1: and we're covering it by way of a documentary called
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  Speaker 1: The Russian Woodpecker, Chernobyl and War in Ukraine, which given
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  Speaker 1: the title, you would think just came out in the
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  Speaker 1: last year or two, but it's actually from twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm open to believing that there was some sort
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  Speaker 1: of sabotage or something involved when it comes to Chernobyl.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know if I agree with the theory
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  Speaker 1: that is laid out in this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Well can I ask you too, like why do you
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  Speaker 3: believe it's an inside job? Because nothing happened, and like
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  Speaker 3: Chernobyl didn't trigger anything really except for the death of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people. It's not like it ended the
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  Speaker 3: Cold War or the Soviet Union collapsed right afterward. That's
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  Speaker 3: why I have a hard time believing, like nine to eleven,
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  Speaker 3: the inside jobs and all that stuff. A lot nine
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  Speaker 3: to eleven, A lot happened after nine to eleven, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, well with Chernobyl, I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: more that during the Cold War era, we wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: wanted Russia or the Soviet Union to have that kind
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  Speaker 1: of nuclear capability. They already did, but we certainly didn't
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  Speaker 1: want them expanding their nuclear capability at the time. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not that I believe it was an inside job.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard a theory convincing enough to make me
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  Speaker 1: believe that. It's just not the kind of thing I
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  Speaker 1: put past world superpowers. No, there was an incident in
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  Speaker 1: Iran where a bunch of their nuclear facilities were taken
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  Speaker 1: down as a result of a deliberate sabotage attack, and
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  Speaker 1: we did that. There's a whole documentary about it called
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  Speaker 1: Zero Day or Zero Days, one of the two, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all about how the US and Israel kind of
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  Speaker 1: conspired to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities by using a computer virus.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not unprecedented that we would go out and
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  Speaker 1: fuck up an enemy's nuclear capabilities on purpose. It's just
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  Speaker 1: the way it happened at Chernobyl would make it a
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  Speaker 1: much bigger crime on our part because no one died
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  Speaker 1: when we broke Iran's stuff. Chernobyl was a huge disaster,
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  Speaker 1: which also I think plays against the idea that someone
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  Speaker 1: would do it on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we ended World War Two by dropping bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, right,
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  Speaker 3: That killed a lot of people. That was awful, but
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  Speaker 3: it ended a war, you know what I mean. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: this killed a lot of people, but you know, Russia's
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  Speaker 3: still a problematic forty years later, you know what I like,
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  Speaker 3: it's I don't know. I have a hard time believing
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  Speaker 3: this was on purpose, but I wouldn't be shocked if
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  Speaker 3: I found out if it was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this documentary they do give a motive
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  Speaker 1: for why it would have been done on purpose. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't I think it's kind of a flimsy motive
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  Speaker 1: in its life.
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  Speaker 3: Like you said, like it was like, okay, now show.
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  Speaker 1: Us, Yeah, can we see some proof?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not just the ramblings of a painter. You know. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I feel for the guy.
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  Speaker 1: But Jesus, So this documentary opens with a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a disclaimer on the screen I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I said a little bit. It's just a disclaimer that
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  Speaker 1: says the authors of this film in no way intend
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  Speaker 1: to injure relations between Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. And that
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  Speaker 1: becomes important later on in the documentary, that disclaimer. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it opens with footage of the Maiden protests that happened
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen in Ukraine. Cool name, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it's just like the area where it happened. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that it's like in terms of Maiden. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think there's anything else to me except it's like the
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  Speaker 1: part of the city where it happened. But I could
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  Speaker 1: be wrong about that. I don't know how I would
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  Speaker 1: figure it out. The technology does not exist to allow
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  Speaker 1: me to check the fact there was a device on
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  Speaker 1: the fly. Yeah, I don't know, get on it science.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the first time we see the subject of
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  Speaker 1: this documentary, who, like you said, is a painter and
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  Speaker 1: artiste named Fedor, and he is on camera during these
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  Speaker 1: protests talking about how Russia is trying to push the
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  Speaker 1: world back toward World War three and how they want
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  Speaker 1: revenge for the collapse of the Soviet Union, and it's
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  Speaker 1: all really kind of prescient when you're watching it now
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, knowing everything that's happened since this
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  Speaker 1: documentary came out. This is a guy eight years years
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  Speaker 1: ago screaming about how Russia wants war and they are
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  Speaker 1: going to invade, and sure enough, it happened. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it sort of happened. That's why documentary.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's why by at the beginning of it,
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of like, all right, well, this guy might
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  Speaker 3: not just be because everything we know now, yeah that
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  Speaker 3: war has been going on for a year and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might even be longer than.
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  Speaker 3: That, but Jesus Christ, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's been going And what's really interesting is he decided
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  Speaker 1: to start making this documentary five months before those protests
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  Speaker 1: because he just felt like there was something in the air.
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  Speaker 1: And what he's referring to specifically is Russia trying to
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  Speaker 1: return to the Soviet Union era days, because Vladimir Putin
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  Speaker 1: has said several times that he views the collapse of
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  Speaker 1: the Soviet Union as one of the biggest catastrophes of
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  Speaker 1: all time and he would love to rebuild the Soviet
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  Speaker 1: Union get what it was during the Cold War, And
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of what Fedor is talking about in this
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  Speaker 1: documentary is the return of that Soviet era to Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: And in the end, he ends up being kind of
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  Speaker 1: justified for feeling that way because a bunch of Soviet
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  Speaker 1: Union type shit does happen to him at one point
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  Speaker 1: in the course of this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's also why I could be convinced to
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  Speaker 3: believe him, because of all this Soviet type shit that
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  Speaker 3: was happening to him. But his proof is the only
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  Speaker 3: proof he has, is just the stuff that we'll get to.
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  Speaker 3: But that was happening to him, that happened to him.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely seems like he's on to something. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's related to Chernoble or if it's
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  Speaker 1: more related to that big ass radar system that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about in a minute. But you can
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  Speaker 1: tell from the responses of the people he talks to
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  Speaker 1: in this that he's at least scratching at the surface
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  Speaker 1: of something that Russia doesn't want us to know, which, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's always interesting. And so yeah, he talks about his
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  Speaker 1: memories of Chernobyl as a kid, and how all the
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  Speaker 1: kids were sent away to avoid the radiation and the
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  Speaker 1: fallout and at one point, there's an analysis done and
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  Speaker 1: they find radiation in his bones, but he also it
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  Speaker 1: seems like, doesn't do anything to treat it. So he's
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  Speaker 1: just been in pain most of his life, according to
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  Speaker 1: his mom, so sad. Yeah, he's got some trauma under
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  Speaker 1: his belt. Living through something like Chernobyle would be a
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  Speaker 1: real nightmare. And then at one point one of his
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  Speaker 1: friends tells him a story about the friend's grandfather flying
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  Speaker 1: over the Chernobyl reactor after it exploded and seeing this huge,
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  Speaker 1: gleaming pyramid type structure. And with that, Fedor is like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I got to go find out what the fuck that was.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like he was like, I already have radiation. Whatever,
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  Speaker 3: I'm already in pain, how bad I'm gonna get?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be his take on it, because
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  Speaker 1: he's very cavalier about going back to this area. But
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  Speaker 1: you see that he also goes back and like talks
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  Speaker 1: to people who are there. So I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: that works. There's people who are still in that area,
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  Speaker 1: but they also describe it as an area that's so
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  Speaker 1: radioactive you can't return. But also I know there's an
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  Speaker 1: black market tourism of Chernobyl stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But also when you google that does anybody live there?
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  Speaker 3: The answer is super vague. It's like yeah, but no,
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  Speaker 3: it's a ghost town, but some people maybe near it.
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  Speaker 3: Like literally, Google had this weird paragraph that was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: that didn't answer anything.
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  Speaker 1: Go all just gives you the shrug emoji back when
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  Speaker 1: you search.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, You're guess this is as good as mine.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to get threatened by Russia.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I found most fascinating in this
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  Speaker 1: documentary is the footage of the area around Chernobyl after
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  Speaker 1: the explosion, because on people didn't know what they were
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  Speaker 1: dealing with, so they were just still out in the
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  Speaker 1: streets while this radiation is all around them. In the
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  Speaker 1: HBO series about Chernobyl, the way they depict that, and
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  Speaker 1: this is also something they mentioned, is people just kind
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  Speaker 1: of gathered on this bridge to watch the fire because
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  Speaker 1: it looked so cool in the night sky. And in
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  Speaker 1: the HBO series you see all of these flakes falling
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  Speaker 1: from the sky that look like snow while the people
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  Speaker 1: are standing on the bridge, and that's all radioactive fallout.
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  Speaker 1: And what I liked in this documentary in the footage
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  Speaker 1: from Chernobyl right after it happened. You can see these
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  Speaker 1: flashes of light in the footage, and that's all radiation.
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  Speaker 1: Like they managed to capture the radiation on film, and
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  Speaker 1: it shows up as like camera flashes that are just
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  Speaker 1: happening all around these people while they're just walking around,
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  Speaker 1: completely oblivious to what's had happening.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder, like it was nineteen eighty six, that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: something that anybody was really afraid of. Nobody really knew
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  Speaker 3: about radiation or nuclear power.
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  Speaker 1: Plan That's not true because the Three Mile Island incident
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  Speaker 1: had already happened in the United States by this point, and.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: It's the name of Hooter's Best Wing sauce for one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Last thing, Like you said, literally anything else that I
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  Speaker 3: would have been less surprised.
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  Speaker 1: And also, three Mile Island was the name of a
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  Speaker 1: nuclear facility in the United States that I want to
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  Speaker 1: say it was in Pennsylvania, but there was a movie
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  Speaker 1: called The China Syndrome that was about a nuclear reactor
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  Speaker 1: melting down in the United States, and a week after
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  Speaker 1: that movie came out, the Three Mile Island reactor, which
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  Speaker 1: yes was in Pennsylvania, melted down and so we had
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  Speaker 1: seen this movie as a nation, and then what's depicted
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  Speaker 1: in that movie happened, and so people were pretty fired
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  Speaker 1: up about nuclear energy. Granted, no one died at three
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  Speaker 1: Mile Island, which is probably, but also, like Hooters is
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  Speaker 1: clear to name a wing sauce after it, because.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that wasn't a joke.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have a bottle of Hooters three Mile Island
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  Speaker 1: Sauce in my pantry right now.
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  Speaker 3: It's great pants carried it around with me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, keep it in my purse.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess, okay if you say that, But
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  Speaker 3: I also it's nineteen eighty six, like, well, that's the
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  Speaker 3: thing the information get to. Yeah, like you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the people of Ukraine at the
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  Speaker 1: time were as up on the ramifications of nuclear energy
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  Speaker 1: as people in the United States were, because yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably not a news story that you would want to
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  Speaker 1: share widely with people while you're also constructing a nuclear
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  Speaker 1: facility in their backyard. So I wouldn't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: news about Three Mile Island didn't really make its way
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  Speaker 1: to Ukraine in the eighties. But whatever the case, it
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  Speaker 1: took a long time for the Soviet Union to say
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  Speaker 1: anything about what happened at Chernobyl, like eighteen days, and
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  Speaker 1: that whole time people were just walking around, hanging out
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  Speaker 1: and getting.
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  Speaker 3: Exposed in their lives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, massive amounts of.
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  Speaker 3: The people they interviewed was like, we heard it, but
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  Speaker 3: we just didn't think much of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They showed like, oh, they show images from a
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  Speaker 1: May Day celebration that happened shortly after Chernobyl, and people
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  Speaker 1: were just in the streets partying and there's nuclear fallout
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  Speaker 1: all around them and they just don't realize it. Which
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  Speaker 1: it's so sad. It's sad in it. Also, if Russia
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  Speaker 1: is upset that people might think this was a deliberate action,
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  Speaker 1: they shouldn't have pulled stunts like that, Like you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have waited eighteen days while countless numbers of Ukrainians were
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  Speaker 1: exposed to nuclear fallout before you said anything, because that
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  Speaker 1: just feels late. Well, let's see if we can kill
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  Speaker 1: some of them off before we have to do anything
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  Speaker 1: about it. Bad times. Yeah, and so there's still ramifications
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  Speaker 1: for the area today, which is one of the things
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  Speaker 1: Fedor brings up in the documentary. He's in Ukraine near
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  Speaker 1: the site of Chernobyl. He's standing by a sea in
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine and he says it's still radioactive. He's got a
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  Speaker 1: huge bottle of wine with him, and I was hoping
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  Speaker 1: that was just going to be incidental and he would
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  Speaker 1: never address why he had the wine, but he actually
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  Speaker 1: pours it in the sea and says that he heard
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  Speaker 1: that wine helps with radiation. I'd like to know where
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  Speaker 1: you heard that.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, where did you hear that? Painter? Like, where
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  Speaker 3: did you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this documentary is very artsy, which shouldn't be. Like
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  Speaker 1: you just need to take one look at Fedor and
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  Speaker 1: you know this documentary is going to be very artsy.
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  Speaker 1: He looks like.
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  Speaker 3: He's very Yeah you go first.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he just looks like he's always thinking about painting something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this would make a good mural.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He also he has a fantastic head of hair. The
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  Speaker 3: whole time, I was like the head of hair of his.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's also very naked in the very beginning of it
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  Speaker 3: for some reason, when they're trying to describe how he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't fit in this world. Yeah, that naked on a boat.
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  Speaker 1: That part gave me a lot of pause. When his
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  Speaker 1: friends are just going overboard talking about how much of
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  Speaker 1: a genius he is and how he just doesn't fit
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this documentary's gonna suck, it's gonna be Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna level with you. Well, I was watching that
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: part and it's all in Russian, there's subtitles. I was like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: fuck you, Adam fucking just kidding, not really, but I
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: was like, what are we? What is this?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And it does take a pretty artsy turn in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: several spots, but he manages to get some information in
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: which I appreciate.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But the hidden cameras there was some stuff where I
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, now we're talking.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a lot of the interview stuff. He's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a good interviewer. There's a scene early on where he
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: goes to Chernobyl and talks to a guy named Alexander
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Naumov who is a former Chernobyl guard. But they're being
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: interviewed in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, which I'm guessing that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the part of Chernobyl where people get to be I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that sounds exclusion, sounds exclusive.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: And Fedor asks him a question and the guy's response
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: is just, oh, well, are you a scientist? Are you
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a nuclear scientist, and he's like, no, that's why I'm
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: asking the nuclear scientists the questions. And the guy's like, well,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If your car breaks down,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: do you fix it yourself? And he sure was expecting
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Fedor to say no, and he's like, yeah, yeah, I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: can fix my own car. Next question of mine, actually yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And the guy's like, oh, that's interesting.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: But still doesn't answer.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Doesn't answer.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: That's the thing I understand. What is saying is you
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: know how a lot of times the anti vaxxers now
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: have all these opinions and nearly well you're not a scientist,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: but they're not asking scientists. But Dora is like, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: don't know, but these are my questions, and you're a
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: nuclear scientist, so can I ask you? And can you educate?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: That guy go to jail? Someone went to jail.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one person. They show like an archival interview
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: with him. But he was like an engineer at Chernobyl
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and he went to jail for like ten years.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy and that guy kind of look the same.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm sure it was just that guy who
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: do okay with Yeah, and Jesus, I like all the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: stuff about the Chernobyl employee town. I've always found that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: interesting that they just essentially built a city around this
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: nuclear facility, and when it was up and operational, it
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: seems like it was pretty nice. Yeah, they describe it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: what a dream. Yeah. One person says it wasn't a city,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it was a fairy tail, which that's nice, and yeah, yeah,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I would love.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: To makes it sadder.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Actually, I would love to be able to tour all
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of that now. But and people do there, and you
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: can't photos well fedor does in this he goes around
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to a bunch of that stuff. It's just I don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: think you're supposed to. But I also don't think because
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: what are they going to do. Put a bunch of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: guards in the highly radioactive area where you're not supposed
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to go, then those guards are just going to get
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: exposed to it. So I think it's kind of just
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: choose your own adventure kind of thing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know anything about nuclear exposure, but is
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: that always going to be like that? Like it's been
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: almost forty years.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, nuclear radiation takes a long tea time to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: go away. But I think it's also just some of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: why the area is still the ghost town that it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: is has to do with the fact that they had
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to build a new city just to put people there
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to run this nuclear reactor. There's nothing else out there,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so oh yeah, all right, people aren't just gonna go
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: out there and start putting houses up because there's literally
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: nothing but the bombed out remains of Chernobyl and a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: gigantic radar system that we'll talk about in a second.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So I think probably that part of it is people
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: just don't want to go back because there's like animals
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and things that have made a good life sprout in
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: three eyes and six ears and things.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's interesting that I learned. So my
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: cat had to do a radioactive iodine surgery or something
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: like that, like a procedure for his hyperthyroidism, And when
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: he came back, the vet was like, don't touch him,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: don't go near him for like two weeks, minimal contact
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: because he'll be radioactive, like most of the radiation will
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: be Yeah, well we'll be gone at the facility, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: just don't bury your head in him for a week, right,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, I'm like, but I have
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: another cat. Is she gonna be fine? And they were like, well,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: it sounds grim, but animals don't have the life expectancy
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that if she does get any all out from the radiation,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: it won't happen in her life.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: She'll die, so like page first, Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: She'll die wild, right, So animals are fine around it. Yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I guess they don't live one hundred years.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so sidebar. Sorry, Oh so, and also, I didn't
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: really curse you. At the beginning of the documentary. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: kind of feel bad that I yelled at and I was.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, think, but I felt it. I felt it in
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that moment. I went, so, did you someone just put
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a curse on me? And then I used, I have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: an orgone blaster and it protects me from federal agents
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and curses both. Look it up.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: What is an orgon bluster?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, we don't have time to get into it. You'll
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: have to google that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I attract my apology go on.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So at one point the documentary switches gears and starts
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: talking about something I had never I'm sure I've heard
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of it, but I just didn't dig into it at
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the time. But in nineteen seventy six, the entire world
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: starts hearing this weird radio signal the way they describe
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it in the documentary, in nineteen seventy six, a radio
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: signal terrorized the Western world.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And it's dramatic.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's dramatic, but it sounds kind of accurate. This was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a sound that people everywhere were hearing, and it eventually
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: gets traced back to Russia and to this huge contraption
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: inside a closed military town near Chernobyl and like, locals
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: were told not to really ask any questions about it,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and this device came to be known as the Russian
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: woodpecker because of the sound it would make, which I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: will play real quick for people at home. Ooh, did
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it change the way you feel after hearing it, because
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that's what people were worried about.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't change the wave, but when I
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: heard you're right, the drama of it all is justified
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: because that is.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It's a weird sound, and if you were just hearing
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it without any explanation and you couldn't figure out where
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it came from, I could see how it would be
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a little bothersome we like it, I'm sure is along
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the same lines of how Havana syndrome works, which that's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the thing where all the people at the US embassy
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: in Cuba were hearing a weird noise that was giving
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: them health problems and fucking with their attitudes. You didn't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: hear anything about.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: This, no Sometimes I think I live in a home.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: It's also an interesting thing to look up. They still
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: haven't really figured out what was causing it. There's been
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: like speculation and theories about what is causing it, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: no one knows for sure. And it seems pretty similar
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to what the Russian woodpecker was, where for a long
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: time people were like, we cannot explain this sound. And yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the concern was that Russia was using it to alter
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: people's moods, which with a theory like that which we
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: just covered, a wild theory that the Nazis changed the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: tuning frequency of music to fuck with people emotionally, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in that case and in this case both, my question
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: would be, well, to what end, like, how is this
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: going to impact people's feelings and emotions and when it does,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: what's that going to cause? And also how would Russia
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: do this all around the world use this radio signal
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to manipulate people's feelings without also adversely impacting the feelings
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of their own citizens who are obviously going to hear
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it the most and the loudest. So I don't think
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that's what Russia was up to with this huge contraption.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I think when it started happening, they probably were like, fuck, fush.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: You know. I don't think it was on purpose, Yeah, right,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I think it exposed this thing that they didn't want
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to be exposed.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably more likely that they weren't expecting it
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to like literally alert everyone around the world that Russia's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: building a super radar system and so. But Fedor thinks
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: there's a tie between this device and Chernobyle because I mean, they.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Are so hard not to be like, oh, if Fedor things,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: it's hard not to be sarcastic with this fella. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: feel for him, but it's hard not to.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true. And we find out the Russian
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: woodpecker was actually called the Duga Radar Duga, and he
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: thinks that there is some kind of connection. So he
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: goes and interviews a Russian weapons maker about the woodpecker,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: who says it's not possible that this device could have
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: been tied to Chernobyle at all. And when he asks again,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: could there be a connection between the Duga Radar and Chernobyl.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: The guy goes into like defense of the Soviet Union
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: mode and he's like to answer that, let me tell
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you about Stalin, and then he just starts talking about
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: how cool Stalin was. And meanwhile, Fedor has several relatives
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: who were like murdered by the Stalin regime. So it's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: an awkward moment. Stalin wasn't great, No, no, definitely not
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a weird person to be, yeah, And so that's when
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: they but.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Again doesn't answer questions. No one answers questions. It's like
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: a weird redirect.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And that's when they decide to start using hidden cameras,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: which I guess that's legal in Russia. Like that I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't think would fly here. Well, you can illegally, like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you can secretly record someone if you're doing it to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: contradict a lie. But I don't know if that is
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that what the law is, yeah, in some cases, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that applies to like making a documentary.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think it applies more to this person knows they
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: did what I'm taking them to court over and I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: caught them admitting it on tape. Like then I think
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: it's fine, but in this case, I don't know that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: how he did this would be legal in the US. Also,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: how dumb are these Russian scientists and politicians that he
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: talks to. That. Yeah, when this camera crew comes back
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to ask more questions, they're like, is the camera off?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, of course, And then they just
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: tell them everything they want to know you're.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Right because they are like, oh what what the camera's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: there and oh the cameras are off. All right, Camara,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: let me tell you a story, and it's in it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It changes the whole tone. Then they start answering
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: questions openly. They're fucking slamming vodka with them. It's it's crazy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: One guy with the vodka, it was like, how big
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: is that fucking cup? Take a breath?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was. He was getting after it. Crazy dude.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I lived with the Russian girl ones. She drank vodka
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: like it was water every day. It was wild.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, that's nuts. It's too much vodka. Yeah, I'm
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be honest.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I don't like vodka that much.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: It's not I And so in one of these interviews,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: one of the military people they talked to just straight
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: up says the Duga Radar was a classified military thing,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and they essentially steal a list of Duga Radar employees
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: from this guy.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: How did they get that? Like? I couldn't. I'm like
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: where did they just does he went to the bathroom
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: and then he had it? And I was like, did
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: he just have that laying around randomly? You know?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Was this guy like because he had to have
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: agreed to at least show them the list, because they
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: do get the list and it looks like, yeah, they
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: took a picture of it in the bathroom. So was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: one of the filmmakers just like, hey, can I at
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: least look at the list? Also, do you mind if
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I look at it while I'm taking a huge shit?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Like how did he get the list into the bathroom?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: When they was going to the bathroom, I'm like, are
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: we gonna watch this dude pee? What's happening? And then
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: he pulled that out?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know how that happened. I can't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: imagine being like, sure, take it to the bathroom with you.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: That seems normal, Like they had to have like just
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: snuck it in there. Probably after the guy got super hammered.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe that was the goal and so yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they eventually get this list of employees. They track down
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a guy who says that people call him the antenna man.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I bet no one calls you that. I bet you
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: call yourself.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: You you call yourself that. It's fine man.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And you ask the people will call you that, And
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: yeah we will. We'll call you antenna man.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Why not, But we'll make fun of you behind your back.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: But he'll hear it with the Duga radar that he
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: was building, because he talks about how, for one thing,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: it costs more money than the chernobyl plant and it
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: worked by bouncing rays off the ion a sphere. Kim,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with harp?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: No, I'm barely familiar with the ionosphere, So give me
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: a science lesson.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know about the ionosphere either. But
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: HARP is this huge array of like radar dishes or
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: satellite dishes in Alaska that, according to conspiracy theory, the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: United States can use to change the weather all around
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: the world, and it works by firing beams into the ionosphere.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's a whole thing we've done. We did a whole
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: other episode about it. But do you believe that there
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is a patent for a device that's very similar that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: if it was ever built, it would probably work the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: way conspiracy theorists say it would work. And the US's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: argument against that has always been, well, that patent is
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: one beam, like one really powerful beam that shoots into
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the ionosphere, whereas HARP is just a bunch of smaller
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: beams that shoot into the ionosphere. But there is a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: somewhat eventually found like an operating manual for HARP, and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in that manual it makes it really clear that they're
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: able to take all of these smaller beams and concentrate
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: them into one more powerful beam and shoot it into
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the iono sphere. So I don't know, people should listen
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to the episode. I did a lot of research on it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: One thing I found is there was a point where
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the US government, when they controlled HARP, on their website
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it said one of its purposes was like military and defense,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and then they eventually just took that out of the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: description after people started asking questions, and then they said
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it was just for like research. So it's a weird thing,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Like can we control the weather? I don't. I don't know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: but we certainly spent a lot of fucking money building
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: that thing for apparently just to monitor the weather, not
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to do anything with it. But if that's true, then
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: what about all the defense stuff. There's definitely the science
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that believes the ionosphere can be manipulated in a way
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that would allow you to like change moods, change the weather,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could see it more for a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: change in the weather. I still don't understand the change
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: people's moods thing and how that is supposed to work.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, so I'm gonna get a little I
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: don't know what the word is, hippie on you. I
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: don't know. So how the full moon affects behavior, right,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Like the full moon affects behavior, affects the tides, And
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: they say, the reason why we're affected by the moon,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the way the tides are affected by the moon is
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: because we're also what like eighty percent water, right, So
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: it's not too far fetched if they're able to. Yeah, nation,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And then there's just so much we just don't know
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: about the human brain, body, all of it. You know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: what do we know like ten percent of all of it?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot we don't know. And yeah, in
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: this case, they don't really explain it either, Like they
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: try to explain how this thing would work. But one
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of the problems you run into is that it didn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: work because what they say happened and I found this interesting,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was they couldn't get the signal past the Northern Lights.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: The Northern Lights interfered with the signal of the Duga
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: radar in such a way that it wasn't able to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: reach the United States the way they wanted it to,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: which I found that fascinating. But it's like one of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the people who worked on it is the one who
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: says that, He just straight up says the Northern Lights
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: protected the United States from the Duga radar. What if
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: we made the Northern Lights? That would be amazing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: What if we should do a whole episode on that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the United States invented the Northern Lights. We made
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: them with harp.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I also think that there was a way
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: for them to control our minds and like, at least
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: manipulate our minds. They'd be doing it, you know, they'd
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: be doing it now. Yeah, it'd be happening.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: They do have ways to do that, and I think
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: it's called social media.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that affected like a whole election.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how arsuns are being manipulated,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and not everyone's but enough, definitely more than enough. Yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: how about that scene when Fedor climbs this antenna. I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: cannot stress how high off the ground this thing is
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and he goes all the way up to the top.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I think he might be affected by that radiation, like
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit more than just his like bone marrow, like.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's playing with a full deck.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how you could not be affected
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: by all that radiation in your system.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And also watching lots of people die growing up in
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that time, and the in Ukraine and the Cold War, Yeah,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. But yeah, he climbed. I mean this
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: thing was How tall was this thing?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think they said specifically, but is Google powerful
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: enough to tell me? Yeah? The antenna spanned seven hundred
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: meters in length, that's twenty three hundred feet, and it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty meters high, which is four hundred
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and ninety feet, So it's huge. It is massive. It's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: not unlike HARP. The only difference is with this they're
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like vertical columns of radar systems, and with heart they're
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: all on the ground as opposed to.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: How long twenty three hundred feet long?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty long.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how to like that's how not
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: many feet long? Is the United States.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: More than twenty three hundred that's for sure. I mean, oh, okay,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: twenty three Well, twenty three hundred feet. There's what five
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty feet in a mile, So it's just.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Like you're asking me wrong, person.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's just like under half a mile basically twenty three
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: hundred feet.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Now you put it that way, it's not that's still long.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: If you drive back to La from Las Vegas, you'll
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: hit a point where there's just these it's got to
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: be a military thing, and there's every probably a couple
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: thousand feet. There's like these white buildings, and there's all
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: these antennas, and it's like in the middle of Nevada.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: It might actually be in California, but it carries on
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: for a long long time, like miles and miles and miles.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember this at all.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be looking for it, like it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: just in the middle of the desert, and once you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: see it, you're gonna see that it repeats for a long, long,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: long time, and I mean, what the fuck is that?
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing, like sometimes this shit
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: just pops up. And I mean, in the case of
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this Douga radar, the people around the area were just
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: told not to even ask any questions, which is probably
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: what would happen if you went poking around the thing
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about in California that I can't even explain.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I would ask less questions if they just answered a
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: few non important questions, you know what I mean, if
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: they gave me some. But if they were like, don't
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: ask questions, I have many more questions now.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course that's how it always works. And
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what happens in this documentary because they
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: at some point refuse to answer his questions, so he
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: starts asking more questions with the camera hidden instead, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: one of the people they talk to is a Russian
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: radar specialist. He says he doesn't want to appear on camera,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: so they just secretly film him.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: And you're right, I didn't think about this all I
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: was watching it. How truly not legal all the time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It's not the most ethical documentary, that's for sure. It's like, hey,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: how about we get a bunch of old Russian guys
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: killed by the KGB. That'll be fun.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And this guy asks why Fedor is suddenly so interested
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the Duga radar And it's like an kind of
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: an uneasy moment where I think Fedor realizes he's probably
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: on a list now, like he's maybe asked one too
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: many questions. But then the guy says, they built the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Duga as a counter espionage tool in response to the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: US putting all of their monitoring equipment so close to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the Soviet border, which that's one of the conflicts that's
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: really at the heart of Russia invading Ukraine. Like on
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: top of Russia I think legitimately wanting to just rebuild
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a version of the Soviet Union and being a nation
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: run by a moral less monster in Vladimir Putin, but
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: also since World War Two, countries on Russia's border keep
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: joining NATO, and NATO is our alliance in Europe that
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: is meant to keep Russia in check, and at one point,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: at least according to Putin's claims, we promised Russia that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: if the Soviet Union fell, we wouldn't start just surrounding
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: them with NATO. Allies, but we did start surrounding them
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: with NATO allies, and that is Putin's complet is, well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: now we're just surrounded by American allies. Now we've got
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to start doing something about it. The legitimacy of that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: complaint we can debate forever. But in this documentary they
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: kind of make the same excuse for why they had
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to build this massive radar system. In their telling of it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it's because the US was putting all this monitoring equipment
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: in their ally countries around the Russian border. Which who
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: knows when it comes to the United States and Russia.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I trust the most, no one.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a major government in the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: world that I would trust. Who's trust in governments these days?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Get over yourself, New Zealand.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe conspiracy theory, yeah, New Zealand, that broad for sure.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe well that broad step down, yeah, and or she's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: about to step down.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't googled their take on asylum seekers and things
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like that, so I don't want to endorse her on
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the world stage too quick. But yeah, yeah, who knows.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: If they were justified in building this to counteract our spying,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe do you.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Ever just listen to all this stuff and be like, man,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of humankind, we could have just been
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: like hanging out, eating fruit, drinking wine, playing with animals
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and just living how and said, We're like, no, we're
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: gonna fight over a made up god. We're gonna kill
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: each other and we're gonna It's just all this seems
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: banana pants to me, you know, like it's sure earnoid
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and bananas, but it's I guess, we have to I guess.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Fedor asks if it was just for like
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: counter espionage, then why did we destroy all the documents
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: pertaining to the Duga radar? Meaning why did the Soviet
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Union in Russia destroy all the documents? And yeah, that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is when the guy, even without being on like thinking
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: he's not on camera, the guy he's talking to, is like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you're asking a very delicate question right now. And I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: think whatever was going on with the Duga Radar is
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: actually the bigger secret here. I honestly feel like Chernobyle
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: just kind of happened, and that that's not.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Really what it was.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: An accident, that's not really what they're covering up. But
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this radar, I need to know more about this fucking
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: radar sounds interesting?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't do more googling ooh me? Yeah, who
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: else would I be talking to?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, not not yet. But that's just because I'm
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: not trying to tack another ninety minute episode onto this
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: episode like we would do. I would talk about the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: duke of radar in a separate thing, but we're already
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: pushing an hour.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yes that's true, all right, go on, thank you. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: he's like, you're asking a delicate question, and what doors
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Like I.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Know, and another official tells him that the main purpose
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of the radar was just to give the Soviet Union
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a little more advanced knowledge if say, the US launched
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon in their direction, the way he described
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: it is in instead of having a couple minutes to
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: respond to that, they would have more like twenty five minutes,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and that's enough time to mobilize a response and send
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: back nukes of their own, which in that case, if
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that's legitimately what it was for, I wouldn't blame them
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: at all for building that. I would question the validity
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of the claims that during the Cold War Gorbachev was
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: less of an aggressor and Reagan was the voice of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: reason because that argument always centers around Star Wars, the
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: SDI program that Reagan wanted to build to shoot nuclear
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: weapons out of the sky from space. Russia's argument was
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: always well, if you have something like that, then you
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: have way more of a defense against nuclear weapons, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: that puts US at a disadvantage. But if they were
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: building this thing, that puts them at a pretty decent advantage, so.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Or at least levels of playing thing.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I'm just back to Russia and the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: United States. We're both bad during the Cold War. Shocking statement,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you know, But the.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Sidebar, I want you to know that at least once
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: a week I think about you saying I want there
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to be a hell. So Ronald Reagan is rotting in it. Yes,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and I laugh very loud.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I stand by it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: At least once a week since we recorded that, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: stand by it. But yeah, it's interesting. The US is like,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: maybe it's US that depicts it this way of just
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: like the good guy, but no, no, if other places
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: are afraid of US nuking them, it's like the Stormtrooper
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: meme where they're like, how do we know where the
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: bad guy? It's like, I don't know let's go back
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: to the death, let's go back to the ship. They're
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: both not good.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And I think a really good indicator of what a
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: country is like on the world stage is how do
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: they treat their people at home? And the United States
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: does not treat their people well. If you're rich enough
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to afford a good life in the United States, then
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you're treated fine and things are cool. But this is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a terrible place to be poor. That's for goddamn shit, or.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: A minority or a marginalized group.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not so just imagine us exporting all of
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that to the world. That's what we are on the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: world stage. We're just the United States. And yeah, everyone listening,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you live here, so you know what we're like. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that's also what we're like everywhere else. So this is
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: where Fedor gets into his theory. And this is where
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I think things fall apart a little bit because the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: short version of the theory, and I guess it's just
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the only version, is that Russia spent all these years,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like decades, building this Douga radar. They turn it on
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six, and for years and years and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: years they're hoping it's going to do what it's supposed
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to do, and right around the same time as the
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Chernobyl disaster, they realize that one it's not gonna work,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and two there is an inspection coming up in September
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six that once that's done, everyone's gonna know
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the Duga radar is a failure.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: So and billions of dollars, isn't it? Did they say billions?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Well, they said it was more expensive than Chernobyl and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine you can put up a nuclear facility
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: for less than a billion dollars. So yeah, they pumped
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of money into this. And so the theory
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: is that in order to hide the fact that the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Duga radar was never going to work, they caused the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: meltdown at Chernobyl first to kind of cover that up
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and to never have to face that inspection, which he
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: does not do a good job of proving that. Fedor
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: himself just kind of says, well, I got a hunch,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and he is just convinced that his hunch is right.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: He even names the guy Soviet minister Semshin, who was
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the minister and vice president of the Soviet Cuban Friendship
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Society AW sounds that is.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: A nice name.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cute. And Shamshen was one of the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: early proponents of the Duga radar and he spent a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: lot of his professional life working on it. And because
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: of that, Fedor thinks he's the guy who caused the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: meltdown at Chernobyle, And the way he says he caused
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: it is they had been doing all of these experiments
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: in the weeks and months leading up to it that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: weren't going well, and they were showing that if you
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: put the system under this certain amount of strain, it's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: going to blow. And the allegation here is that Shamshin
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: made a call to the Chernobyl facility and told them
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to run one more experiment knowing that it was going
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to cause this nuclear reactor to fail. Which in that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: case that's when I would ask fed Or not if
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: he was a nuclear scientists, but with Shampshon a nuclear scientist,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: because how would he know, yeah that this is gonna
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: make Chernobyl fail unless he had like a scientist in
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: his ear telling him. But no, he was like a diplomat.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: He wasn't a scientist, He wasn't anything. So that part
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: is also theory.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: The door didn't really offer any other except for this
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: guy probably did it right, and it's my theory.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I do like the part where he interviews two different
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: people and one of them is the person who is
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: alleged to have taken this phone call and put the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: experiment in place, and the other guy they're interviewing is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the person accusing him of that, and they keep cutting
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: back and forth, and the guy who's accused of it
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: is like, I don't know, I don't know anything, and
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: then someone brings up the name Vassili Shamshin, and the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: guy's like, I don't even know him. Is he real?
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Is that a real guy? And that's when or is
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: like he's lying, he fucking knows. And the problem is
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that's all the evidence we really get is we get
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to see this guy answer questions about whether he got
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a phone call from the silly Shampshin, and he looks
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable asking those questions. But it could also just be
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: that he's tired of being asked that question.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: It also could go back to the original theory of
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Fedora's probably scratching the surface of something. He's just not
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: scratching the surface of the correct right, like he's going
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: down a path, but it also could be this guy's like, uh,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: there's some questions.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And that all happens with like twenty five minutes left,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, now here comes all
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the really solid evidence proof. But no, not really. There's
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of interviews from people warning fed Or
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to not be a troublemaker because that's a good way
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to get yourself killed by the government of Russia. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that includes a voicemail from his own kid that's literally like, Papa,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: please don't go to Moscow. I'm worried about you. I
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: don't know why kid has a British accent, but that's.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I thought that was a solid attempt
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: at a Russian.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Russian I is I was from Ukraine.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I also, while watching this, as much as America isn't
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: the greatest, there also isn't. Ever. Maybe maybe I'm naive,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, God, I don't know of a person
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: that would just disappear, you know what I mean. They're like,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: we'll just kill them and he'll be gone, and everyone's warning.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're you know, yeah, it's yeah. As I'm talking,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I'm not digging deep enough.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if you get like into the sixties
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: in the civil rights movement, the entire top level of
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the progressive wing of the United States got murdered in
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, and we're supposed to just be like, no,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the government didn't do that. Wait what JFK, RFK, Malcolm
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: x oh, like a level like everyone else. Yeah, any
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: interest in civil rights got executed in the sixties, and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: we to this day are supposed to be like, now,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the government didn't do that. They had nothing to do
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: with that. Of course the government did that. Don't be stupid.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Who do you think killed JFK. I've done extensive research
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: on this, and there's a lot of wild.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I think Lee Harvey Oswald was there and was shooting,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: but I think the shot that killed JFK was fired
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: accidentally by the Secret Service from the.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: B's That's probably the most accurate one I've heard.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: What I love about that theory is it makes everyone right.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Like everyone who says that Lee Harvey Oswald was the
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: lone gunman is technically correct, and all the people who
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: say the government did it and that there's a cover
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: up involved, they are technically correct, It's just everyone's wrong
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: about how those two things happened. And I like the
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: credentials of the guy who came up with that theory.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: He's a ballistics expert. He's the one person who was
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: able to fire the three shots accurately that Oswald is
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: alleged to a fired because CBS did a recreation of
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the JFK assassination a few years after it happened, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they brought in all these different experts to try and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: actually fire those three shots that Lee Harvey Oswald was
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: able to fire, and the one guy who did it
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: was also like, that was so hard for me. There's
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: no way Lee Harvey Oswald was able to do it
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and his theory. There's a documentary about it on Netflix
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: called JFK The Smoking Gun. It's really good.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: I'll watch it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I believe it. It's a good theory.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: It's okay, the US government does kill people. I forgot
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: about JFK, Martin Luther King, all kinds of.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's lots of people.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go on, you're right, I forgot about the major
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: assassinations in our history.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the US government, they have it in them, like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: obviously anyway, So.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: You're a genius.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he gets people are warning him not to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: go to Moscow, and Fedor's friend Artam, who is like
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the cinematographer on this, They've been interviewing him throughout. He
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: gets a call from Fedor, and Fedor's like, come over,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: don't bring any cameras. So of course his friend shows up.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Of course a hidden camera. What a great Why would.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: He believe him? Why wouldn't he pat him down? They've
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: been doing this to everyone.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: What a great friend.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: That was hilarious, by the way when it happened.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Fedor explains that he has been visited by
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the KGB, which I think is called the FSB now,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: but people still just refer to it, Like how people
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: still call him UFOs when we've changed the name to UAPs.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: But I did not know that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he says he's been visited by the KGB. In
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that one. They told him he has to put that
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: disclaimer from the beginning of the documentary in his film,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and again that disclaimer the authors of this film in
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: no way intend to injure relations between Ukraine, Belarus and Russia,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: which what I can't get a handle on, Like he's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: clearly spooked by this interaction that he had with the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: KGB to the point that he wants to stop making
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the film. But also is that it did they just
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: show up and say, hey, Wei, you tag a disclaimer
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: under the beginning of your movie because it's so cool.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: If I made a documentary like this and that is
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: as hard as the government cracked down, I'd be like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: thank you, that's very fair of you. Sure I will
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: put Yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I'll put that disclaimer. Yeah, no big deal.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But I don't did they like beat him with a
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: rubber hose. Also, like he comes away from it way
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: more scared than I think I would be if they
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: were just like, hey, we need you to add a disclaimer.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: And also he's a ballsy dude, you know what I mean,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Like he's like hanging out in radioactive water, he's climbing shit,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Like he's not like easily rattled.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Is like something probably more happened. But then maybe he
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: didn't say all the stuff that happened because maybe he
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: was aware that his friend was probably secretly recording him,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: because that's what he's been doing to everybody else, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Like maybe Yeah, and my thought also not to victim blame.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: But my thought was, well, what did you think was
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: gonna happen when you embarked upon making a documentary about
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: how the Russian government did chha noble on purpose, like
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: one of.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: The scariest, like openly scariest governments in the world. They
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: try scary, but we're like flower, they're openly.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they will travel to other parts of Europe
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to murder dissidents, like they will poison a motherfucker in
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: London if they have to do you think they're not
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: gonna come to Ukraine and ask you some questions. It
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: blew my mind that he was as rattled by this
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: as he was.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're asking all these like people involved, You're
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: asking loads of Yeah. I guess I didn't think about
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that either.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's also talking the people with ties to
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: the people who would have done this if what he's
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: saying is true, So they're gonna report.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Secretly recording them, Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And I Yeah. So he ends up just fleeing Ukraine
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and his argument is, well, clearly the Soviet union system
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: is back. That's what I'm living under now. So now
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'm a dissident and I got to get out of here.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But then there's all these protests in twenty fourteen, the
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Maiden Protests, and that inspires him to return to the country.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: We find out that Ardam, the cinematographer, disappeared for a while,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and it was because the police shot him for trying
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to film their faces. Like you even you see the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: footage of it. You see the cop pulled the gun
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: up to shoot.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: At him, and his interview afterwards was so.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was shook. And it's funny because one of
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the things I left out about Artam and Fedor is
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: after Fedor gets spooked by the KGB and decides to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: leave the country, Ardam calls him a coward in a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: sellout for leaving, and it's like, this dude has a family,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: he's got kids, He's got a child who called and said,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: please don't go to Moscow.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Please fancy more porridge, Sir, I can't do.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It, And so this all kind of pays off in
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: what I would argue is a pretty awkward scene. Fedor
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: returns to the country during these protests, and he very
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: heroically gives a speech at one of these protests, and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I say that's heroic because at that point the country
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: had put emergency laws in place that made speaking at
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: a protest like this crime. But then he gets up
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: there and he's talking all this pro Ukraine stuff and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: then he's and I'm paraphrasing, he goes, also, Russia did
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Chernobyl on purpose, and it's got a lot of nine
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: to eleven Truther energy to it, where the crowd is
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, oh, you're gonna take this this turn. Huh, well, okay,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: we'll listen. And then at the end he gets back
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: into pro Ukraine mode and they cheer. But the part
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: where he's going on at length about his Chernobyl theory,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: it feels like he's bombing. I don't think the crowd
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: was into that at all.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: It's like you make friends with someone at the bar
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: and they're sitting next to you and you're like on
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: the same page, on the same page. You're like, oh
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: my god, did I just make a new friend, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: then they completely flip out at the bartender and do
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: something and you're like, oh, no, yeah, I'm not into this.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not a few years ago, I was at a
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: bar in Madison was actually no Janesville, Wisconsin, and I
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: was just sitting there having beers because I was bored
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: and I was chit chatting with the bartender. He seemed
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: like a cool dude. We were talking about sports, we're
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: talking about music, and then all of a sudden he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: goes all this stuff in Ferguson Missouri's crazy, huh, And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, it really is. And he
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: goes that guy shouldn't have charged that cop that way.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, god damn it. And You're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: like I got a phone call, like.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Now we have to talk about this, you monster.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's the vibe yeah, where everyone was like yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh no bad times. Yeah, it really I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: did get that sense that the crowd was like what
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and why are you bringing this up now?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It is like at a protest, you're yelling something
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: and then out of nowhere you're like, at JFK was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: an inside job, and it's like, well it's twenty twenty three.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of the end of the documentary.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: There's more after that, but I mean, obviously there's no resolution,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't bring Russia to justice for Cherm.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: I was hoping there'd be some kind of well I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: learned a valuable lesson this is, you know, but instead
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: it was like, all right.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at the end we hear that the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Woodpecker signal has returned, which I googled that. I didn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: see a ton about that.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: And also we wouldn't know because of the northern lights.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: We didn't hear it because of the northern lights. Right,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: the US didn't hear the Woodpecker? Did they? That part
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: was unclear for me.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I think the US heard some of it, but it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: just didn't It didn't do what it was supposed to do.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Like maybe Russia couldn't hear anything.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Back, Okay, would Woodpecker?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: How does that? Like they're just hearing the entirety of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the US talking all at the same time, Like what what?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how it works.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, then how do you specifically go in and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: it's like every mind reader's movie ever, you end up
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: going crazy because all the minds.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: It's Bruce Almighty when Jim Carrey starts hearing all of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the prayers in his head at once, same thing.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer earshot season three,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: but okay.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I've never seen that show, but I trust
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the reference.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: You've never seen Buffy, I have not. No, we'll go
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: on this tangent another day.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: All right. Until then, I feel I know we have
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: made it to the end of the episode. This episode
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: is approximately as long as the documentary.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but we were more interesting. I feel like,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: I think you should listen to this instead of yeah,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: unless you want to see that fantastic head of hair
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: of his.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: It does inspire me to want to maybe do a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: more fleshed out episode about the Duga radar.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: At some point I knew nothing of that. I've never
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: heard of that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: In the Yeah, the Russian woodpecker. That's interesting. I'll look
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: into that more. But yeah, this is really, at its core,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a documentary about a guy's hunch that he doesn't really
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: take the time to flesh out that much, but probably
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: because he can't like the information. It sounds like a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: lot of it was just destroyed.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm wondering too, Like how much of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: it was he not able to even put in the documentary,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? All that was put in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: the document Like more could have happened in that meeting
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: than just saying put this disclaimer. But they could have
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: been like take X Y and z out and then
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: if you put your disclaimer, we won't kill you and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: tank your little movie.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Which, even then that seems like a little less harsh
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: than what we know about the KGB or what we've
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: been told about the KGB.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't really ask questions, Yeah, give warnings.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: They just but I don't know where's now? Do we
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: know where is fedor now?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is he alive and happy?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Fedor Alexandrovitch? Yeah?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Where is that guy now? Is he alive? Conspiracy or insanity?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it seems like he's still alive. That's good.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: There's no articles about him turning up dead anywhere.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: But would you yeah, fed or fedor door?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like he's fine.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Well that's good. So he listened to the KGB, his
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: little movie.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Got made, and yeah, and now things are fine in Ukraine.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Everything's fine, Russia is great.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Everything is nailed.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: The documentary worked. Yeah, so yeah, that's our episode. We
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: did it, Kim did it? Thanks you for having me.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching this documentary and doing
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: this episode. I appreciate it. Do you have anything to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: plug before we get out of here?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: It feels weird to plug my regular stuff, but sure,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: I am Kim Krawl ky m k RL. Follow me
• 1:04:35
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• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: week called krawl Space krl Space, and then I wrote
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: a book called Confessions of a Recovering Party Girl and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I'm currently recording the audio and I want to throw
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: my head through a window, but it should be out
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: in a few weeks.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like it would be a nightmare. And
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: that's it. Let's get out of here. Kim say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: We love you, people of Earth.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Your planets has to be destroyed. Strip skin, stret strict
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: your planets start to be destroyed.