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Speaker 1: Performance. Well, thank you for the great welcome back yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Well tonight more straight talk about some crazy stuff now
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Speaker 1: going on the Greens, for instance, a truly disgraceful performance
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Speaker 1: by Leader and Adam Bandt refusing to condemn at tax
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Speaker 1: on our war memorials. Really, it's time now to demand
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Speaker 1: that Labour put this dangerous and barbaric party lass on.
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Speaker 1: It's how to vote cars, I'll show you what it
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Speaker 1: got up to. Also tonight, with the war with the
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Speaker 1: world on the edge of war. Honestly in our own region,
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Speaker 1: even the prime ministers know to going to the biggest
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Speaker 1: meeting of our allies. I find that extraordinary the coalition
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Speaker 1: me and while promises new pounds to break up the
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Speaker 1: supermarket giants. This is really so smart. And Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: has another embarrass seeing press appearance to day after the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court blew up a plot to jail this challenger,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump ahead of the election. The panic now in
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Speaker 1: the left over there, it's hysterical, and I mean literally
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Trump's former spokesman plenty more. But first,
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Speaker 1: Labor Senator Fatam of Payman, she's now part of a
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Speaker 1: very dangerous shift in our politics. It's this new tribalism
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Speaker 1: that's going to set a strains against each other like
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Speaker 1: never before. In fact, it's moves to create a new
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Speaker 1: Muslim political party. You just think how that would tear
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Speaker 1: us apart. Now Payment looks sweet and innocent, but she's
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Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old Afghan refugee that Labour picked
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Speaker 1: too seem more diverse, playing this old identity politics new
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Speaker 1: identity politics, except now it's all blown up in their
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Speaker 1: face because she's threatening to quit Labor now that she's
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Speaker 1: been elected safe for the next six years or five
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Speaker 1: to go. She's been suspended by Labor for the moment
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Speaker 1: for refusing to follow Labour's stance on Palestine. She's instead
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Speaker 1: voted with the Greens immediately recognized Palestinian state, even though
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Speaker 1: Palestine right now is ruled by Islamist terrorists and extremists.
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Speaker 1: So very grateful for that kind of recognition, but it's
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Speaker 1: worse than that. I'm afraid Payment has now been taken
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Speaker 1: up as a cause by the big Islamist groups here
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Speaker 1: as a martyr. She's proof that the main Australian political
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Speaker 1: parties are anti Muslim. In fact, she's being used as
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Speaker 1: a recruiting tool by a new group called the Muslim Vote,
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Speaker 1: headed by a prominent and largely respected Sydney Imam Sheik
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Speaker 1: Wessam Chaikawi, who's been attacking labor leaders and politicians that
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Speaker 1: he reckons are too soft in Israel and not good
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Speaker 1: enough on Muslims.
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Speaker 2: How can anyone ever support you again?
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Speaker 3: All those ministers who heeded your call and remain silent.
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Speaker 1: Now this group says it's now open to working with
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Speaker 1: Payment in running a Teal style campaign to get Muslim
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Speaker 1: activists into parliament, a campaign that could radically change Australia.
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Speaker 1: It's called already for her candidates, and some labor in
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Speaker 1: peace now worry that Payment is going to quit labor
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Speaker 1: and join this campaign, or at least set herself up
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Speaker 1: in a similar fashion herself, the Muslim candidate, Muslim politician.
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Speaker 1: Now that's why she hasn't been expelled by labor already
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Speaker 1: for voting against the party. That's actually always been the rule.
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Speaker 1: You're out on labor and you're out. You know that
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Speaker 1: plenty of people have paid the price, but not Payment
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Speaker 1: because labor is terrified. Not just if any Muslim vote mean.
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Speaker 1: One politicist said, how can we sack a woman in
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Speaker 1: ah job. But anyway, worse is that they would provoke
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Speaker 1: the creation of this new Muslim party and that is
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Speaker 1: a particular danger for Labor because of the maths. I
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Speaker 1: think we have one hundred and fifty one seats in
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Speaker 1: Parliament in the Lower House, twenty nine of them a
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Speaker 1: fifth already have five percent or more of people of
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Speaker 1: the Islamic faith. With immigration going the way it is,
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Speaker 1: that's going to go up. And of those twenty nine
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Speaker 1: seats with big Muslim minorities, twenty seven are held by Labor.
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Speaker 1: They include the New South Wales seat of Blacksmen help
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Speaker 1: by Education mister Jason Clear that is thirty two percent Muslim.
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Speaker 1: There's a hell of a vote there. Or Watson held
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Speaker 1: by Employment Minister Tony Burke twenty three percent Muslim. Could
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Speaker 1: change the seat and a boy had those two Labor
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Speaker 1: guys in the Muslim gun, as are many other Labour MPs. Now,
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Speaker 1: Labor opened the immigration doors very wide and got the
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Speaker 1: votes all right for now, except now it's getting the
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Speaker 1: heat that it's not doing enough for Muslims. Bit of
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Speaker 1: karma there. Unfortunately, it's also bad news for Australia now,
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Speaker 1: not just the menacing protests outside Labor inmp's officers like
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Speaker 1: this one outside Peter Khalils, or the vandalism of the
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Speaker 1: office of Josh Burns by people unknown for all they
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Speaker 1: know they're not Muslim. That could just you know, socialists
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Speaker 1: left nutters. But this new movement, the Muslim Vote, is
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Speaker 1: also listing these labor in ps predominantly labor and ps
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Speaker 1: and rating them on their website for the support of
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Speaker 1: Palestinians and very few get a pass, not only called
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Speaker 1: Jason Claire for a start. And the Liberty Is Muslim Association,
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Speaker 1: well that isn't part of the Muslim Vote, but it
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Speaker 1: is very much behind it, and especially because it hopes
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Speaker 1: that way our policy to Israel will change, our policy
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Speaker 1: to a democracy now, fighting islam Is extremes in Gaza
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Speaker 1: will change.
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Speaker 4: The fole focus of our community is the genified and
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Speaker 4: the atrocity is taking place in Gaza right now. For
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Speaker 4: decades we will criticized for not integrate within the Australian community.
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Speaker 4: Now this second and third generation Australians and Muslims of.
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Speaker 5: Defense have learned that they do have an electoral voice.
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Speaker 5: What I am for is for this community is exercising
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Speaker 5: that electoral voice, and when the two parties no longer
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Speaker 5: reflect the concerns of our community, then this community has
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Speaker 5: a right to exercise it in any way then fit
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Speaker 5: within the political and the electoral process.
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Speaker 1: Well, frankly, I'm not quite sure that the answer to
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Speaker 1: complaints that you haven't integrated is setting up a Muslim
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Speaker 1: only party. How does that work? But anyway, not surprisingly,
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Speaker 1: former Labor leader Bill Short instead against it.
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Speaker 6: Religious based parties I think are not a great idea.
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Speaker 6: I don't reckon that's a great development, because what this
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Speaker 6: country needs is more us working together.
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Speaker 1: But it's not just Labor that should be alarmed with you,
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Speaker 1: or should be because a Muslim party really, as if
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Speaker 1: mainstream parties aren't good enough for muslim a Muslim party
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Speaker 1: that reduces national issues into hey, what's in it for Muslims?
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Speaker 1: How does any of that help Muslim integration or our unity?
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Speaker 1: How does it protect our values? And what response would
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Speaker 1: a Muslim party provoke? I mean you can already see it.
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Speaker 1: What a hardline white nationalist party perhaps for the white person,
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Speaker 1: for the Christian I mean great, a Jewish party, a
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Speaker 1: Hindu party, all of these ethnic parties stressing what devises
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Speaker 1: and not. You know, it's all on them acting like victims,
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Speaker 1: what's in it for me? And bringing in their foreign conflicts,
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Speaker 1: just like this British politician who this year won his
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Speaker 1: seat on the Leeds Council.
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Speaker 7: When for the people of Khasa, we will raise the voice.
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Speaker 4: A lot.
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Speaker 1: And that's coming here. We are at a very dangerous
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Speaker 1: point where the new identity politics is becoming very very
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Speaker 1: much more political and that will change Australia for the
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Speaker 1: ugly worse. That's my opinion. Let's hear from someone. Jamal
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Speaker 1: Riffi here is a general practitioner prominent in the Lebanese
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Speaker 1: Muslim community of Sydney. He's won the Australian Newspapers Australian
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Speaker 1: of the Year in twenty fifteen. Needless to say, his
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Speaker 1: commanded wide respect. Jamal Riffi, thank you so much indeed
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Speaker 1: for your time. Look, I don't know do you support
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Speaker 1: a Muslim party or independence backed by the Muslim vote?
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Speaker 3: Definitely not?
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Speaker 1: And why not?
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Speaker 8: As a ner introduction, I reckon we are Australian, We
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Speaker 8: are well served by different is that exist and we
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Speaker 8: should work through the systems and principle. I don't believe
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Speaker 8: in Muslim vote, Christian White Australia vote or any other votes.
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Speaker 8: Our believe is actually to be part of the mainstream,
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Speaker 8: to interact and also if you have any ideas or anything.
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Speaker 8: Exactly what part of my payment has done is actually
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Speaker 8: she joins the Labor Party and she become a senator
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Speaker 8: and each party had their own rule. Now she didn't
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Speaker 8: play with the rule because of what's been happening the
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Speaker 8: humanitarian issues in Gaza. She's entitled to that. She crossed
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Speaker 8: the floor and she receives the penalty. I reckon that's
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Speaker 8: where it ends.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you another example. How about Hu Sik
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Speaker 1: who's a Labor minister. I mean that man Muslim right,
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Speaker 1: he goes in the Labor He does a great job.
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with everything he says, but that's politics.
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Speaker 1: But the point is he is a demonstration that Muslims
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Speaker 1: can actually be part of the wider community. They don't
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Speaker 1: need a separate party. As if the rest of Australias
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Speaker 1: against them. Would you agree with that totally?
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Speaker 9: I agree.
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Speaker 8: Ad has bruined himself and also many others who are
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Speaker 8: in the Labor and the Liberal or the Green they
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Speaker 8: have played their part the idea behind the Muslim vote
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Speaker 8: is riding on a wave of anger that exists in
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Speaker 8: the community and they wanted to politicize it. But it's
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Speaker 8: actually it's there is a lot of misconception and their
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Speaker 8: messages is not absolutely correct. We in southwestern Sydney have
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Speaker 8: been very well served by overseitting members of Parliament and
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Speaker 8: they're not taken over vote for granted. As a matter
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Speaker 8: of fact that I know, in the last couple of
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Speaker 8: months since what happened on the after the October seventh,
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Speaker 8: they have met with many organizations, religious leaders, community leaders
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Speaker 8: and also with individuals. They've listened to them and they
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Speaker 8: have taken actually the points of view. And we are
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Speaker 8: talking about a government well before the October seven that,
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Speaker 8: as we all know, Andrew Scott Morrison's government reduced the
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Speaker 8: funding to the on RUAR and this government before October
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Speaker 8: seven they reinstated the funding for the on RUA. At
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Speaker 8: the same time, the Morrison government they have made the
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Speaker 8: decision that the argument to move the Australian Embassy from
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Speaker 8: Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and that government reversed that decision
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Speaker 8: before the October seven.
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Speaker 9: I think that.
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Speaker 8: Actually the labor was as a government and as a party,
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Speaker 8: they were held a hero and over community. After October seven,
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Speaker 8: things have changed. But there is a lot of misconception.
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Speaker 8: They're saying they're not doing anything, ar Regan. They have
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Speaker 8: done a lot of things. To be honest, this government
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Speaker 8: towards the issues of the Middle East. But we all
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Speaker 8: know even the United Nation, they pass out resolution unanimously
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Speaker 8: about the piece of process and the cessation of war,
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Speaker 8: and still it hasn't happened, even it had the back
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Speaker 8: end of the United State. Now, the issues of the
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Speaker 8: Middle East, it's very complex, Reffe.
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Speaker 1: Let me just interrupt there because I actually think on
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Speaker 1: the issues you mentioned, I thought Labor went too far
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Speaker 1: and in order to placate the Muslim vote. But that's
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Speaker 1: but that's you know, we can disagree on that. I
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Speaker 1: think they went too far. But this is the thing
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Speaker 1: about ethnic politics. When you start forming it doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what ethnic group we're talking about. When you start playing
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing, the more extreme you are, the
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Speaker 1: more you demand, the more you're likely to be leading
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Speaker 1: that kind of group. You know, if you say that's fine,
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Speaker 1: that you know they've done enough, you're out. It's the
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Speaker 1: extremes rule in this case, where does this push for
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Speaker 1: a Muslim only party come from? Who's driving this?
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Speaker 8: To be honest, I don't know many other community members
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Speaker 8: and they don't know and even their website they don't
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Speaker 8: say who's behind it. And only yesterday I've read a
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Speaker 8: report and newspaper that they have spoken with the spokesperson
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Speaker 8: who's behind the Muslims vote and he refused to put
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Speaker 8: his name or publicize his name. It's very unusual for
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Speaker 8: someone who want to enter the politic and remains anonymous.
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Speaker 1: Very good point, Jamal RIFFI always great to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, really appreciate it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I should add, by the way, that one TiAl independent
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Speaker 1: in Parliament today was the man in the government do
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Speaker 1: even more to bring in Parisinians from terrorists around Gaza,
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Speaker 1: where the poll shows support for hamas terrorists is actually
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Speaker 1: very high.
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Speaker 10: Why hasn't our government not established a clear pathway for
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Speaker 10: people to bring their families from Gaza to say to
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Speaker 10: here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, that sounds so reckless to me. Given what's happened.
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Speaker 1: We've taken in refugees from other war zones, it hasn't
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Speaker 1: been a very good picture for our security, but to
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Speaker 1: something else that I think is unwise, very unwise. Now,
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Speaker 1: the world has not been this dangerous in decades. We
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Speaker 1: all know that. The Governor admitted it white in a
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Speaker 1: new defense paper earlier this year. There are two wars
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Speaker 1: already raging Ukraine and Gaza. You've got Hooti rebels that
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Speaker 1: have choked sea traffic through the critical Seuze Canal, one
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Speaker 1: of the buses shipping lanes. And most worryingly, China is
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Speaker 1: threatening war with Taiwan, and a war there is probably
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Speaker 1: going to drag us all there, not just America but
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Speaker 1: Australia to Despite all that, the Prime ministers decided to
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Speaker 1: skip a meeting in the US next week of NATO,
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Speaker 1: the biggest defense organization in the West. He's sending in
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Speaker 1: Defense Minister of Richard Marles instead, even though Richard Marles
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Speaker 1: is very little clout in cabinet, despite being the deputy
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister. Now I do get one thing. You know Albanize,
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Speaker 1: he went in about twenty trips in his first eighty months,
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Speaker 1: got called there bas alba ba, the opposition got scarified,
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Speaker 1: pulled right back. But surely now this meeting is important.
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Speaker 1: You can call the opposition hypocrites, whatever, but going to
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Speaker 1: this meeting is important. So why isn't he going? Now
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Speaker 1: there's one theory, Albaniz he's staying at home because he's
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Speaker 1: planning an early election in September. Maybe, or maybe he
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Speaker 1: just doesn't understand his priorities.
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Speaker 11: If it's a trip that's in our national interest, and
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Speaker 11: that is particularly at a time when the Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: says that we live in the most precarious period since
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Speaker 11: the nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 1: This is an engagement with NATO.
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Speaker 11: There's war in Europe, there's war in the Middle East,
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Speaker 11: there's a great prospect of war spreading further into Europe.
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Speaker 11: There's great uncertainty in our own region. As the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister's pointed out, now is the time to engage with
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Speaker 11: world leaders like minded and to send a very clear message.
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Speaker 1: Joinmy is our Tuesday regular National Senate Mat Canavan, the
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Speaker 1: former Resourcess Minister. How I wish that man was still
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Speaker 1: the Resources Minister. Matt Canavan, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: your time. The Opposition did mock alban Ezi as airbus albow.
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Speaker 1: Now they're saying he should go to the meeting. Look hypocrisy, aside,
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Speaker 1: politics aside. Should he or should he not go?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely? Should go. I mean it's very strange that I
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Speaker 12: think he's been invited. That's the reporting that we're not
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Speaker 12: a member of NATO, of course, but NATO countries have
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Speaker 12: invited Australia, and most of those countries make up our
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Speaker 12: best and closest allies. And for the reasons you've outlined
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Speaker 12: very clearly, he should go. Now, there's only two explanations here.
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Speaker 12: One is the one you positive that he is planning
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Speaker 12: an early election. I suppose we'll find that out in
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Speaker 12: the weeks ahead. The other explanation is a little bit
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Speaker 12: of name calling has got Anthony scared. And how can
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Speaker 12: Anthony Albanizi be trusted to stand up in a geopolitically
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Speaker 12: tense environment if he can't make the right decisions in
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Speaker 12: response to just a little bit of name calling in
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Speaker 12: our in our press and yes by the opposition, I
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Speaker 12: mean our problem with Anthony Alberanezi's travel last year and
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Speaker 12: most of the year before was some of the inconsequential
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Speaker 12: trips he went on, like two trips in the US
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Speaker 12: within it within a month or so. Big meetings like
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Speaker 12: this clearly Australia needs senior representation and if other nations
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Speaker 12: leaders are there, our leaders should be as well.
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Speaker 1: Well. Don't forget a trip flying to two Volous of
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Speaker 1: all places to take in so called climate refugees when
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Speaker 1: there is no climate emergency there. Look, I think the
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Speaker 1: critics of the oppositions hypocrisy or ellergies hypocrisy here don't
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Speaker 1: seem to understand. You can have too many trips at
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Speaker 1: one stage and not enough of the other. Right, there
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Speaker 1: is a happy medium, and I think Albinizi has missed it.
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Speaker 1: Now the government has passed the new law banning live
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Speaker 1: sheep ex sports. They'll be phased out over the next
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Speaker 1: four years. Farmers are furious, but the premiers have said
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Speaker 1: today they will be compensated.
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Speaker 13: Here is they have an industy that's worth eighty million dollars.
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Speaker 13: The package that we have on the table is currently
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Speaker 13: worth one hundred and seven million dollars greater than greater
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Speaker 13: than greater order them the annual industry.
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Speaker 1: The Albanians who was actually playing tricks there. The industry
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Speaker 1: may be worth eighty million dollars. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: that is a year, and the compensation is for just
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Speaker 1: one year. Now the love trade export Matt Canavan is
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Speaker 1: very tough in the animals. I think most people that
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Speaker 1: agree with that, But is banning it fair enough?
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Speaker 12: Well, actually I don't agree with you on that point.
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Speaker 12: There animals are sheep on these vessels actually put on weight,
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Speaker 12: they put on wool, and sheep that are stressed or
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Speaker 12: not in a good environment don't do that. So they
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Speaker 12: are well treated on these vessels. Now, there has been
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Speaker 12: have been some incidents of poor treatment of animals which
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Speaker 12: can occur call of course, occur on land just as
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Speaker 12: it can on ship. But the standards of proved a
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Speaker 12: measurabilyly since those incidents. And the answer here is the
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Speaker 12: proper regulation and punishment of those who do the wrong thing.
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Speaker 12: Not being in the industry for an entire industry is
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Speaker 12: the first time I think in our commal's history that
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Speaker 12: I could find where comf goverment has made a type
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Speaker 12: of farming illegal. Will now be illegal to grow this
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Speaker 12: type of food and send it to customers overseas. And
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Speaker 12: as I mean the promise today you can understand labor
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Speaker 12: just doesn't seem to get business because he's the promise
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Speaker 12: is saying, Look, this industry's worth eighty million a year,
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Speaker 12: but I've given them one hundred and seven millions, so
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Speaker 12: they should be happy. Well, hang on, let's just think
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Speaker 12: about your own circumstance. If I told you you're out
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Speaker 12: of a job for life, I're going to put you
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Speaker 12: out of work for life, but I'm going to give
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Speaker 12: you a redudancy package of one year's wage. You wouldn't
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Speaker 12: accept that. You wouldn't accept that. When you invest in
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Speaker 12: a company, its value is worth multiples of its annual earnings,
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Speaker 12: usually fifteen to twenty, sometimes more multiples. So this package
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Speaker 12: should be in the billions, not the hundreds of millions.
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Speaker 12: If this government was serious about helping farmers in our country.
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Speaker 1: And it won't help if the farmer actually goes under
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Speaker 1: in town's deplete and all that kind of thing. Absolutely correct,
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Speaker 1: Matt Kenvan. The Nationals have got the Liberals to agree
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Speaker 1: to a push for new laws against the big supermarkets
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Speaker 1: and bunning so that if they abuse their power, their
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Speaker 1: market power, because they're heavily concentrated, they could be forced
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Speaker 1: to invest some of their business, which seems a very
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Speaker 1: drastic move. I just wonder if these powers would ever
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Speaker 1: be used, given that you have to go to a
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Speaker 1: court and prove that breaking up these companies would mean
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Speaker 1: lots more competition and was in the national interest and
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Speaker 1: not caused big job losses, et cetera, et cetera. And
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Speaker 1: then there's a question of is there anyone to buy
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Speaker 1: the government? You know, this is the point that Craig
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Speaker 1: Ebson made in his report for the government. Isn't this
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Speaker 1: just pretending to do something?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 12: I don't think so at all. I mean, I've always
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Speaker 12: said I've supported these laws for long time. As as
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Speaker 12: the Nationals Party, We've always said these would be used
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Speaker 12: only rarely, they wouldn't be frequent resort. We hope, perhaps hope,
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Speaker 12: maybe they would never be used if there was no
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Speaker 12: misconduct of this kind. It would only occur in the
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Speaker 12: case of serious and repeated misconduct, and the threat of
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Speaker 12: a penalty like this obviously will deter such contact. We
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Speaker 12: have seen standover tactics by our major supermarkets over the
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Speaker 12: past decade, and the penalties that are currently available are
21:18
Speaker 12: clearly inadequate to stop that behavior. Now, laws like this
21:21
Speaker 12: exist already in almost every developed country. The last use
21:24
Speaker 12: in the United States successfully in the ninety eighties. Yes,
21:27
Speaker 12: long long time ago, but by that apparently noted communist
21:30
Speaker 12: Ronald Reagan. The Reagan administration split up at and T
21:34
Speaker 12: in the ninety eighties, and it did coincide after that
21:36
Speaker 12: split up with an amazing flourishing of innovation in the
21:40
Speaker 12: telecommunications sector in the United States and help benefit the
21:43
Speaker 12: whole world.
21:44
Speaker 1: That's et cetera, to be honest.
21:47
Speaker 12: So I mean we do need competition, Andrew, I'm going
21:50
Speaker 12: to beat you.
21:50
Speaker 1: I'm going to bet you, Matt. I'm going to bet
21:52
Speaker 1: you that before that these laws will if they go through,
21:57
Speaker 1: will never be used in your term in Parliament it
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Speaker 1: or my term here.
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Speaker 12: I'm not going to take I'm not going to take
22:05
Speaker 12: that bet. But I think we need these type of laws.
22:08
Speaker 12: So what's the problem with it that I get used
22:10
Speaker 12: in the World's not the sky's not going to fall
22:11
Speaker 12: it either, But I think it will deter bad behavior.
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Speaker 1: I don't know so much bureaucracy. Matt Canavan, thank you
22:17
Speaker 1: so much for your time. After the break, Joe Biden's
22:20
Speaker 1: week just got even worse, if he can be believed,
22:23
Speaker 1: as the Supreme Court blows up his hopes of getting
22:26
Speaker 1: Donald Trump jailed before the election, that otherwise Barden will lose.
22:31
Speaker 1: This theory is amazing. I'll tell you what, America really
22:34
Speaker 1: is going nuts, unbelievable. It's just got even worse for
22:43
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden, I mean, fresh off its disastrous performance
22:47
Speaker 1: last Thursday, and it's a bake with Donald Trump, who
22:49
Speaker 1: is so confused that even Democrats told him, look, you've
22:53
Speaker 1: got to quit. The Supreme Court has now destroyed Biden's
22:56
Speaker 1: hope to have challenge with Donald Trump. Jailed and out
22:58
Speaker 1: of the way before than event election, which otherwise Buds
23:01
Speaker 1: almost said to lose. Prosecutors from the Biden's Democrat party
23:05
Speaker 1: had charged Trump with trying to steal the last election,
23:09
Speaker 1: including by allegedly sending a violent mob to the US
23:12
Speaker 1: capital after he lost. But the Supreme Court ruled six
23:16
Speaker 1: to three that Trump actually has immunity for any official acts,
23:21
Speaker 1: although not it said for unofficial ones, and it pointed
23:24
Speaker 1: out the Democrat prosecutor in this case in Washington was
23:27
Speaker 1: in such a rush apparently who charged Trump that he
23:31
Speaker 1: didn't distinguish between Trump's official actions or unofficial ones, and
23:35
Speaker 1: slapped together comments that Trump had made before the right
23:38
Speaker 1: without giving any context to them. So it's all hopeless.
23:41
Speaker 1: Got back to a lower court, so that now probably
23:46
Speaker 1: won't happen. That case probably won't happen until after the election.
23:49
Speaker 1: No hope for Biden then. But the left now carrying
23:52
Speaker 1: on like this very sensible decision is a shocking attack
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Speaker 1: on democracy. At one of the three dissenting judges, the
23:59
Speaker 1: far left Justice Sonya so Tomorrow, kicked off that by
24:04
Speaker 1: actually claiming that when a president uses his visual powers
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Speaker 1: in any way, under the reasoning of the majority of
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Speaker 1: her fellow judges, he will now be insulated from criminal prosecution.
24:15
Speaker 1: So even if he orders the Navy sealed Team six
24:19
Speaker 1: to assassinate a political arrival immune You have to be
24:23
Speaker 1: insane to believe that. But Joe Biden is that insane.
24:27
Speaker 1: He is so desperate, in fact, that he agreed with
24:29
Speaker 1: his crazy conspiracy theory and begged the Americans to do
24:33
Speaker 1: what he'd hoped the judges would do for him.
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Speaker 14: Only four years ago, my predecessor sent a violent mob
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Speaker 14: to the US capital to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
24:45
Speaker 14: Now the American people will have to do what the
24:46
Speaker 14: court should have been willing to do but will not.
24:50
Speaker 14: The America people have to render a judgment about Donald
24:53
Speaker 14: Trump's behavior. The American people must decide whether Donald Trumps
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Speaker 14: assault on our democracy on January sixth, may some unfit
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Speaker 14: for public office and the highest office in the land.
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Speaker 1: I spears should be. It's a decision of the voters.
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Speaker 1: But even then, Biden, reading from an auto q so,
25:10
Speaker 1: didn't fumble, projected weakness because he didn't dare take any
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Speaker 1: questions afterwards and risk once again losing his train of thought.
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Speaker 1: I dissent. May God bless you all.
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Speaker 14: May God help preserve our democracy. Thank you?
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Speaker 2: Will you drum out of the price?
25:31
Speaker 1: Why are you the best orathe?
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Speaker 14: Come?
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Speaker 15: What makes you so confident you should be the president?
25:38
Speaker 12: What advice would you pray?
25:42
Speaker 1: Joining me? Is Seawan Spicer, Donald Trump's first White House spokesman,
25:47
Speaker 1: Sean Spicer. Great to see you again after this long break.
25:51
Speaker 1: Listen this ruling today six to three by the Supreme Court.
25:56
Speaker 1: Does it really mean what? What of the dissenting judges,
25:59
Speaker 1: said Justice as So Tomaya that President Trump could now
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Speaker 1: actually order, if he's elected again, the assassination of arrival.
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Speaker 15: You know, I'm glad that you brought that up.
26:14
Speaker 16: She specifically referenced Steal Team six, the Navy's very elite
26:19
Speaker 16: special operators and the reason that I'm glad you brought
26:22
Speaker 16: that up is that I saw a lot of activity
26:25
Speaker 16: on social media saying that this could mean something like this,
26:29
Speaker 16: that is a lie, and it's irresponsible for somebody like
26:33
Speaker 16: sodom Or to say it, and for journalists like some
26:37
Speaker 16: in America have done, because the military will never execute
26:41
Speaker 16: an unlawful order, and if steal Team six or any
26:44
Speaker 16: other military entity, year unit, or individual received in order
26:48
Speaker 16: to assassinate a US citizen political opponent, they wouldn't carry
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Speaker 16: the order out.
26:55
Speaker 15: It would not be lawful.
26:57
Speaker 16: And I think that it is irresponsible for a court
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Speaker 16: to perpetrate that kind of narrative on the American people
27:04
Speaker 16: and make them believe that it could be true. Now,
27:06
Speaker 16: there's a lot that this ruling means and doesn't mean. Frankly,
27:09
Speaker 16: I think it means a lot of common sense. The
27:12
Speaker 16: idea that we give police officers and government officials in
27:15
Speaker 16: the United States immunity from their official acts makes sense
27:21
Speaker 16: that the president would get a similar type of immunity.
27:23
Speaker 15: And this isn't just a partisan thing on one side
27:26
Speaker 15: or another.
27:27
Speaker 16: I mean, frankly, considering President Trump brought this up in
27:29
Speaker 16: the debate that the idea that any president. In this case,
27:33
Speaker 16: Joe Biden could be prosecuted for his failures in office
27:37
Speaker 16: that resulted in, say, the loss of life. I don't
27:40
Speaker 16: As a Trump supporter, I would never want that to
27:43
Speaker 16: happen to any president, regardless of party. And the idea
27:48
Speaker 16: that Democrats are trying to twist what the court did
27:50
Speaker 16: today is shameful.
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Speaker 15: Frankly, well, I.
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Speaker 1: Think the judgment really did was expose what a Jim
27:58
Speaker 1: krag aut fit that case against the prosecutors who pushed
28:03
Speaker 1: that case against Trump really are. I mean, the court
28:06
Speaker 1: pointed out, listen, you haven't distinguished even trying to distinguish
28:10
Speaker 1: between official and unofficial acts, and you haven't put Trump's
28:13
Speaker 1: comments in context. It seemed like a rush job to
28:17
Speaker 1: get rid of him.
28:19
Speaker 15: That's exactly I'm glad you. I mean, you're you spot
28:22
Speaker 15: on there.
28:22
Speaker 16: I think the time away has made you even smarter,
28:25
Speaker 16: because this is exactly the this is the this is
28:29
Speaker 16: the point that you get this from all the way
28:32
Speaker 16: in Australia, and so many people in America don't. Why
28:35
Speaker 16: wouldn't the case against Trump, if you felt strong, should
28:40
Speaker 16: be that he wasn't making any of these acts as
28:43
Speaker 16: an official in his official capacity as president.
28:46
Speaker 15: I'm a non I'm a non lawyer. I didn't think
28:49
Speaker 15: that was a time. I mean that to me seems
28:50
Speaker 15: like a pretty smart strategy.
28:52
Speaker 16: And yet they clearly were so bought into the idea
28:57
Speaker 16: of trying to make it that it didn't that That
29:01
Speaker 16: shows you how weak the case is. But the idea
29:03
Speaker 16: that a president of the United States, acting in their
29:05
Speaker 16: official capacity could be found criminally negligent.
29:09
Speaker 15: After leaving office is absurd.
29:11
Speaker 16: And I don't care what party you're a member of
29:14
Speaker 16: here in the United States, you should not want that
29:17
Speaker 16: to happen. You should not want a prosecutor in some
29:20
Speaker 16: random county in America going after you because an official
29:24
Speaker 16: act resulted in, say, the loss of life that of
29:26
Speaker 16: an American citizen.
29:27
Speaker 15: Unfortunately, this is not how we should be operating.
29:30
Speaker 16: And if Joe Biden really wanted that to happen, I
29:33
Speaker 16: would be very concerned about his well being after he
29:36
Speaker 16: left office.
29:39
Speaker 1: Well, you know this wasn't for any of the reasons
29:42
Speaker 1: that you just suggested. This was just to get rid
29:45
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump ahead of the election. Because if she
29:48
Speaker 1: is that is going to beat Joe Biden. Now here's
29:51
Speaker 1: the thing, Sean, Joe Biden after that press conference on Thursday,
29:57
Speaker 1: desperately needed to prove that he could string a few
30:01
Speaker 1: words together, that he wasn't reading off an auto queue.
30:04
Speaker 1: He is a big issue Supreme Court ruling, threat to democracy.
30:09
Speaker 1: He says, you think you'd take a few questions afterwards,
30:12
Speaker 1: not a bit. They wouldn't trust him to do to
30:15
Speaker 1: do even that, He just shuffled off, not taking questions
30:22
Speaker 1: and not trusting himself to be unscripted. What did you
30:26
Speaker 1: make of all that?
30:28
Speaker 15: Well, a couple things.
30:29
Speaker 16: Number one, he needed to give the media something new
30:33
Speaker 16: to talk about that could shift, And it was like
30:35
Speaker 16: clockwork tonight. The second he got off left the lectern
30:39
Speaker 16: there at the podium, they all said, Oh, that was
30:41
Speaker 16: the Biden.
30:42
Speaker 15: We knew he's back. He just needed to give them
30:45
Speaker 15: a new talking point.
30:46
Speaker 16: They were desperate, the New York Times and sannn and
30:49
Speaker 16: needed something to say to pivot away from that disastrous
30:52
Speaker 16: performance last Thursday.
30:54
Speaker 15: So that's number one. Number two, I remember when.
30:58
Speaker 16: Democrats and the met were outraged with President Trump using
31:02
Speaker 16: the White House for political acts. Tonight he gave a
31:06
Speaker 16: primetime address and asked for television time, which.
31:09
Speaker 15: Is the prerogative.
31:10
Speaker 16: That's only reserved pretty much for presidents to give a
31:13
Speaker 16: full throated attack on our judiciary and the president and
31:17
Speaker 16: his former the former president, his political opponent.
31:20
Speaker 15: That's something that.
31:21
Speaker 16: Last cycle outraged the media and the press, and tonight
31:25
Speaker 16: they said nothing.
31:26
Speaker 15: He used his power as president and used the backdrop of.
31:30
Speaker 16: The White House to do something that the media and
31:32
Speaker 16: the Democrats were outraged when President Trump did something like this,
31:36
Speaker 16: but no mention of that at all tonight. It was
31:39
Speaker 16: pretty shocking to see how quick that the tables turn.
31:42
Speaker 16: Not only that, as I said, I mean, when you
31:44
Speaker 16: attack the judiciary, apparently it's okay if you're attacking it
31:48
Speaker 16: from the left, but when folks on the right do, gosh,
31:51
Speaker 16: then democracy is under attack.
31:54
Speaker 1: Oh yes, where is your respect for the rule of law?
31:58
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter here. Just find Sean something you
32:01
Speaker 1: just said. I think it's a fascinating thing. Right on Thursday,
32:07
Speaker 1: what Joe Biden's performance was so terrible. It was just
32:11
Speaker 1: underenably terrible. He had left wing commentators, CNN commentators, he
32:16
Speaker 1: had even Democrat officials. Oh my god, you know, Joe
32:21
Speaker 1: Biden's got to quit. We've got to replace Joe Biden.
32:24
Speaker 1: That's it. Game over. But since then, Jill Barden, his
32:29
Speaker 1: wife said, we're not going anywhere. Joe Biden says he's
32:31
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, as staff say, is not going anywhere.
32:34
Speaker 1: And if in fact they can't replace him, technically, it's
32:37
Speaker 1: almost impossible to replace him or to knock him off.
32:40
Speaker 1: Now what you're seeing is commentators doing the reverse ferret
32:44
Speaker 1: and saying, well, Joe Biden, you know he's not so
32:47
Speaker 1: bad after all, he really still does have it. I mean,
32:50
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous to see Sean Spice are always great to talk.
32:54
Speaker 15: To you, Welcome back, Andrew, great to see you.
33:00
Speaker 1: Of the break the Greens leader, he disgraces himself on
33:04
Speaker 1: television in a very special way. And the question now
33:07
Speaker 1: is should Labor reject any deal with a party that
33:11
Speaker 1: is so vicious? Plus children taught to touch the ground
33:15
Speaker 1: each day and say this is Aboriginal land. I watched
33:26
Speaker 1: a and band the Greens leader on the ABC last night,
33:29
Speaker 1: watched on delay, what a barbarian.
33:34
Speaker 16: You know.
33:36
Speaker 1: What I saw just confirms you know it surely is
33:40
Speaker 1: time now to put the heat on Labor to refuse
33:44
Speaker 1: to do any more preference deals with the Greens. And
33:48
Speaker 1: last night it was the party whose leader refused again
33:50
Speaker 1: and again to condemn the pro Palastonian protesters who vandalize
33:55
Speaker 1: four war memorials in Canberra.
33:58
Speaker 17: Listen to this, weaseling is vandalism of Australian war memorials
34:04
Speaker 17: a legitimate form of protest?
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Speaker 3: Do you think we want to see peaceful protest?
34:08
Speaker 17: One of your Senate colleagues today referred to it as
34:11
Speaker 17: a form of free speech.
34:12
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that the Prime Minister and the
34:15
Speaker 3: leader of the Opposition today were more agitated about graffiti
34:21
Speaker 3: than they have been about the slaughter of people in Gaza?
34:24
Speaker 17: What's your position about that. We've already talked about this
34:28
Speaker 17: really made a clear point.
34:29
Speaker 3: I've made it really clear that we want to see
34:31
Speaker 3: peaceful protest with respect to people.
34:33
Speaker 17: And you don't agree with your colleague who calls it
34:36
Speaker 17: a form of free speech.
34:37
Speaker 3: I'm making the point that the Prime Minister and the
34:40
Speaker 3: leader of the Opposition seem far more agitated. Again, I'm
34:43
Speaker 3: making the point we are dealing here with a genocide
34:45
Speaker 3: that you're not saying it. You're not going to say genocide.
34:50
Speaker 1: What a weasel man like that with real power? Can
34:55
Speaker 1: you imagine be terrified? I'm joined by my Tuesday panel
35:00
Speaker 1: hosts so Far at Will, a weekly podcast from a
35:03
Speaker 1: spectator on politics and culture, and Scarney's host Nika and Georgia,
35:07
Speaker 1: who filled in so brilliantly for me during some of
35:10
Speaker 1: my break Look, honestly, Will, seriously, your response to what
35:15
Speaker 1: you just heard from the Greens leader, they're slipping, slarting,
35:18
Speaker 1: not even refusing to condemn the vandalizing of all memorials.
35:25
Speaker 9: I'll take the moral outrage as red. We know that
35:30
Speaker 9: band is vile in that regard. What stuck out for
35:33
Speaker 9: me watching that clip just then was just how all
35:36
Speaker 9: the political skills are. You could see his brain ticking over,
35:40
Speaker 9: You could see that he had talking points in his mind,
35:42
Speaker 9: and you could see that he refused to engage with
35:45
Speaker 9: the question, even though it was a very minor concession.
35:48
Speaker 9: I just think there's such an open space for politicians
35:51
Speaker 9: on the left and the right to speak like normal
35:53
Speaker 9: human beings and to actually engage on a more human level,
35:57
Speaker 9: because you look at that and you just see insincerity
35:59
Speaker 9: and sincerity uphold with a complete absence of any sort
36:03
Speaker 9: of moral decency. Is not a good recipe for a politician.
36:08
Speaker 1: I don't know, Will. I actually think there's this refusal
36:14
Speaker 1: to actually enter anyone's worldview, anyone's argument, nothing, nothing. I
36:21
Speaker 1: think it's less a failure as a tactic. But what
36:26
Speaker 1: did you make, Danika.
36:27
Speaker 2: He is frightening, Andrew.
36:30
Speaker 7: And what's even more frightening is in the event of
36:33
Speaker 7: a minority government in Australia at the next federal election,
36:37
Speaker 7: you're going to have the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. Yes,
36:40
Speaker 7: right next door to him, you're going to have the
36:42
Speaker 7: de facto Prime Minister Adam Bant, who does not stand
36:46
Speaker 7: for Australian values, is currently presiding over the most dangerous
36:50
Speaker 7: and un Australian party in our history. The fact that
36:54
Speaker 7: he wasn't even willing to come out and condemn the
36:57
Speaker 7: acts of vandalism on our national warm and word orial
37:00
Speaker 7: just goes to show the pathway that this group is on.
37:04
Speaker 7: It is so far extreme now it has absolutely lost
37:08
Speaker 7: the plot.
37:08
Speaker 2: When many of our relatives lost loved.
37:11
Speaker 7: Ones in these wars, I mean, they have fought for
37:14
Speaker 7: our survival, They've fought for our beautiful country. And if
37:17
Speaker 7: the Greens don't recognize that, they can go to the
37:19
Speaker 7: Middle Eastern Gold fight the war themselves.
37:21
Speaker 2: Because they are a blight on this country.
37:26
Speaker 1: If you can't even respect our war memorials, what can
37:29
Speaker 1: you respect? I ask Laby Euston demand the Liberals put
37:34
Speaker 1: One Nation last on how to vote cards? Will you
37:37
Speaker 1: know not help elect them because they were so allegedly racist?
37:40
Speaker 1: Are the Greens provoking farm or racism particularly against Jews?
37:45
Speaker 1: And shouldn't Labour now refuse them their preferences at the
37:49
Speaker 1: next selection? Put the Greens last?
37:53
Speaker 9: Yes and yes, but it speaks to this interesting double
37:57
Speaker 9: standard around how the far sides of left and right
38:00
Speaker 9: wing politics are treated. You Fascism is seen as this evil,
38:04
Speaker 9: but communism is seen as well.
38:05
Speaker 15: It was well meaning but.
38:07
Speaker 9: Just poorly executed. And I feel that's how we talk
38:09
Speaker 9: about the Greens as well. Oh they're well meaning, you
38:13
Speaker 9: know some of the time, but fundamentally they're just a
38:15
Speaker 9: bit misguided. They're just as evil, if not more evil,
38:17
Speaker 9: than any other fringe of politics, and I it really
38:21
Speaker 9: bugs me that they don't get the same sort of
38:24
Speaker 9: evil treatment that other fringe political parties get.
38:30
Speaker 1: Ah, I agree. I think they're far more damaging to
38:32
Speaker 1: austrain way of life, the character, the psarchic, the values,
38:36
Speaker 1: the institutions than the One Nation will ever be. Meanwhile,
38:40
Speaker 1: Denika the Daily Telegraph is reporting the students at the
38:44
Speaker 1: City Primary School are being told before every assembly to
38:47
Speaker 1: put their hand on the ground and say, always was,
38:51
Speaker 1: always will be Aboriginal Land. And this is part of
38:53
Speaker 1: the acknowledgement of country ceremony. Also every day. What a
38:56
Speaker 1: great way to make children feel that they don't really
38:59
Speaker 1: belong here, is it?
39:01
Speaker 13: It?
39:01
Speaker 7: In a great way, Andrew to make children really feel
39:03
Speaker 7: welcomed in the country that they live, that they they
39:06
Speaker 7: were born in and are so lucky to live in.
39:09
Speaker 7: You know, kids are growing up now completely confused.
39:12
Speaker 2: That they're confused because.
39:14
Speaker 7: They're being made to apologize to the stolen generation. So
39:18
Speaker 7: naturally they're thinking, oh, it's my fault of what happened
39:21
Speaker 7: all those.
39:22
Speaker 2: Years ago, way before I was born.
39:24
Speaker 7: And now it's the let's go into a classroom, let's
39:27
Speaker 7: go into assemblies. As we're seeing here and we're putting
39:30
Speaker 7: our hands on the ground, we're stomping, we're doing all
39:32
Speaker 7: these moves as we welcome to country.
39:35
Speaker 2: I was speaking to someone a short time ago about when.
39:38
Speaker 7: We were at school, and I can honestly say all
39:40
Speaker 7: we learned about was the dream time, and we grew up,
39:43
Speaker 7: respecting Aboriginal culture, understanding the dream time, recognizing that spirituality,
39:49
Speaker 7: and we respected that. But suddenly, out of nowhere, there's
39:52
Speaker 7: this been, this pedal of everyone's got to apologize, everyone's
39:56
Speaker 7: got to do this. And I don't know why we
39:58
Speaker 7: can't let kids be kids. What happened to playing, Andrew?
40:02
Speaker 7: What happened to drawing crayons? It's out of control?
40:06
Speaker 1: Forget it look so much. Well, what do you make
40:09
Speaker 1: of this? I mean, this is playing with fire, really,
40:13
Speaker 1: I mean it's teaching children not to have a love
40:15
Speaker 1: or respect, or of sense of belonging to this country
40:18
Speaker 1: that one day they might be called upon to defend.
40:21
Speaker 9: Well, the fact that there are children involved and being
40:24
Speaker 9: indoctrinated is bad enough, but if you actually look at
40:27
Speaker 9: what they are asking them to do in this instance,
40:29
Speaker 9: this has reached a shipping point Andrew. In the past,
40:31
Speaker 9: with these welcomes to country, you can tune out for
40:34
Speaker 9: thirty seconds and maybe raise an eyebrow. What this is
40:37
Speaker 9: actually asking is asking for you to engage. It's asking
40:40
Speaker 9: for your forced, your force engagement with this process. That's
40:45
Speaker 9: a very different thing to what we've seen in the past.
40:48
Speaker 9: And this is the slippery slope, which we're going to
40:49
Speaker 9: continue seeing it's no longer you can just draw withdraw yourself.
40:53
Speaker 9: If it's not something you agree with, you must conform.
40:56
Speaker 9: I think this is something we need to push back
40:57
Speaker 9: against very very firmly, or it will get worse.
41:01
Speaker 1: Your thoughts are being compelled now too. It's a real
41:03
Speaker 1: thought policing. I don't know. Will Kingstondnika de Georgia thank
41:08
Speaker 1: you so much for your time. By the way, I
41:11
Speaker 1: must say, the ABC can't stop playing politics either. It's
41:13
Speaker 1: a Catalyst program supposedly about science, about ancient Musupils in
41:17
Speaker 1: this case, put out a photograph of its cast showing
41:21
Speaker 1: three of them wearing what looks suspiciously like Palestinian cafe
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Speaker 1: years now. We contacted the ABC to check whether that's
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Speaker 1: indeed what they are doing, making a little statement for Palestine,
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Speaker 1: but we got no answers. So I'll leave it to
41:35
Speaker 1: you to decide. Is this politics or just a strange
41:39
Speaker 1: decision to wear checked scarves? Three of them? What are
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Speaker 1: the odds after the break? I mean, the Halbnizi government
41:49
Speaker 1: has got a new election promise that looks like being
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Speaker 1: broken or another one. Rather, it's promised to build one
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Speaker 1: point two million houses. You what, something really serious is
42:02
Speaker 1: going to go on with that housing market because that
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Speaker 1: promise is in deep trouble after this. How many houses
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Speaker 1: you think do we need in this country? I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what the problem is. You see that the government
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Speaker 1: has got this insane plan right to build one point
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Speaker 1: two million homes in five years, which would be great,
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Speaker 1: except it looks like another break and promise, and that
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Speaker 1: means the housing crisis is going to get even worse
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Speaker 1: because we're not building anything like the houses we need
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Speaker 1: for the government's other crazy plan, this immigration intake, taking
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Speaker 1: in nearly a million immigrants in just two years. Now.
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Speaker 1: One problem here is a lack of builders. Another is
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Speaker 1: the latest and Solvecy data that shows nearly two thousand
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Speaker 1: and eight hundred construction firms went bust. We're into receivership
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Speaker 1: in the last financial year two thousand, eight hundred. That's
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Speaker 1: way up in the year before. And now, look, the
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Speaker 1: house is being built each year, way below what's needed
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Speaker 1: each year for five years. And the banks of warning
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Speaker 1: if the paces only fast, if we don't in fact
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Speaker 1: build a new home every two minutes, every two minutes,
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Speaker 1: we're really going to have a housing crisis worse than
43:23
Speaker 1: this one. Joining me is the Chief economis of the
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Speaker 1: Housing Industry Association, Tim Riardan has looked at this stuff,
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Speaker 1: Tim reard, and thank you for your time. Listen, how
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Speaker 1: many new houses do we need and how many are
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Speaker 1: we actually building?
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Speaker 10: Well, the one point two million is a really important,
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Speaker 10: ambitious but achievable goal, and we're going to need to
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Speaker 10: build at least that volume of homes over the course
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Speaker 10: of the next five years to meet that underlying demand
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Speaker 10: for new homes.
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Speaker 1: And if we don't achieve that one.
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Speaker 10: Point two million, we will continue to see the rental
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Speaker 10: price growth at that ten percent and house price growth
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Speaker 10: approaching that rate as well. As you mentioned, they have
43:58
Speaker 10: strong levels of overseas migration are an important component to
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Speaker 10: that underlying demand for housing, and from an industry perspective,
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Speaker 10: what we have always sought on that front is stable
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Speaker 10: and reliable migration, which of course is the inverse of
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Speaker 10: what we've seen over the past couple of years. The
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Speaker 10: boom bust cycle that the industry has gone through. There
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Speaker 10: and you mentioned the insolvency data and it is very important,
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Speaker 10: but the boom bus cycle that the industry has been
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Speaker 10: through for the past couple of years isn't what we
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Speaker 10: would like to see. We would like to see stable
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Speaker 10: and reliable migration pathways. And in regards to the insolvency topic,
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Speaker 10: you raise, what we are seeing at the moment is
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Speaker 10: really a shadow of last year's problems. The cash flow
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Speaker 10: shortage the builders saw in twenty twenty two is playing
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Speaker 10: out in some of the official data at the moment,
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Speaker 10: and also what we're seeing in that insolvency data. It
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Speaker 10: isn't typically builders dealing with customers at the moment, it
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Speaker 10: is the subcontractors dealing with builders that are now going
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Speaker 10: through cash flow problems.
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Speaker 3: That pass through of that cash flow.
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Speaker 10: Problem from builders through to subcontractors is the dynamic we're
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Speaker 10: seeing in the market, and that's likely to probably get
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Speaker 10: a little bit worse over the course of the next
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Speaker 10: three months, and expect that to get to us worse
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Speaker 10: in August or September this year before it starts to
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Speaker 10: ease and go back to normal levels.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we haven't even talked about the fact that,
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Speaker 1: you know, the high prices of building products at the
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Speaker 1: moment would put up some put off some consumers as well.
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Speaker 1: But look, it's technically the amazing immigration intake. You know,
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Speaker 1: we added two percent to our population in just one year,
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Speaker 1: which is just incredible. I don't know that any country
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Speaker 1: in the West that's done something like that. We needed
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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty thousand houses just for the immigrants,
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Speaker 1: not for the people, you know, to the natural growth
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Speaker 1: rate in the country. Just for immigrants, two hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand houses. We built probably about one hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty thousands of many short of that, an eleven year low.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what on earth are we going to do
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Speaker 1: to turn that around to build the houses we need?
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Speaker 10: So we need to build about one hundred, one hundred
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Speaker 10: and twenty thousand homes per year just to meet that
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Speaker 10: underlying demand of aging housing stock that needs replacing. And
46:08
Speaker 10: we know that from looking at countries such as Japan
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Speaker 10: they've gone thirty years without overseas migration, they build around
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Speaker 10: about a million homes per year. And then on top
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Speaker 10: of that, we do need to build now at least
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Speaker 10: one home for every two migrants that arrive. And I
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Speaker 10: think that those estimates that you're quoting there are still
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Speaker 10: relatively conservative in terms of the build that we require.
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Speaker 10: But even in the absence of migration, two years there
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Speaker 10: without any migration and the industry continue to operate a
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Speaker 10: capacity and the same is true. It's going to take
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Speaker 10: us many years of increased home building to get to
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Speaker 10: that point in order to meet that underlying demand. What
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Speaker 10: we can't do is to continue to tax housing at
46:46
Speaker 10: the rate we're taxing, whether it's JST stamp duty, all
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Speaker 10: of the other taxing posts. Just this year we've seen
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Speaker 10: an increase in regulatory costs through the National Construction Code.
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Speaker 10: We've also seen the new South Wales government and Queensland
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Speaker 10: government increase taxes foreign investors and they're a really important component.
47:03
Speaker 10: Foreign investors don't live in Australia. They build houses that
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Speaker 10: Australians live in and rent, and we're forcing them out
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Speaker 10: of the market. And we can see the volume of
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Speaker 10: apartments in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. It's around about half
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Speaker 10: now of what it was ten years ago before these
47:17
Speaker 10: taxes were introduced. So in order to build more homes,
47:20
Speaker 10: we do know that at that coordination level from a
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Speaker 10: federal government, we need state governments to reduce the tax
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Speaker 10: impost they're imposing on how homes and local councils who
47:28
Speaker 10: increase the supply of both Greenfields and Brownfield.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you were so maybe by nature
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Speaker 1: and optimist I like that. But I will bet you
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Speaker 1: that one point two million does come. We don't come
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Speaker 1: within a cou WII of building that many. Jim Mariton,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much indeed for your time. That's it
47:46
Speaker 1: for me. Coming up next, Hey, it's the Nieker de
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