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Why Talking About the Ocean in Everyday Life Can Save It · How To Protect The Ocean

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  When was the last time you
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  heard someone in your group,
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  within your family, within your friends,
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  you're out at a night,
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  they had a restaurant, at a party.
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  When was the last time
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  you heard conversations
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  about the ocean?
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  Whether it be marine protection,
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  whether it be about surfing,
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  whether it be about canoeing,
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  whether it be about
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  you just using the ocean,
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  being around the ocean.
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  When was that last time you
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  were talking about the ocean
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  with your friends and family?
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  That's what we're gonna
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  be talking about today
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  and how we need to
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  have more conversations,
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  just general
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  conversations about the ocean
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  to help them in its protection.
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  That's what we're gonna
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  talk about on today's episode
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  of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
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  Let's start the show.
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  Hey everybody, welcome back
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  to another exciting episode
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  of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.
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  I am your host, Andrew Lewin,
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  and this is the podcast
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  where you can find out
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  what's happening with the ocean,
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  how you can speak up for the ocean
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  and what you can do to
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  live for a better ocean
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  by taking action.
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  And here on today's episode,
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  we're gonna be
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  switching it up a little bit.
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  So normally for the last
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  probably eight months or so,
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  maybe even longer, nine months,
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  I've been recording
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  this podcast with video.
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  So it's the same
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  podcast and it's changed,
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  that changed everything I did to change
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  all of my processes,
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  where I recorded, how I
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  edited, how I did everything,
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  because I wanted to
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  add that YouTube element,
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  that video element and
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  Spotify was coming out with video.
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  Obviously YouTube was all about video
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  and they're claiming
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  they're the largest video podcast,
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  or the largest podcast, you know,
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  one million download, one billion
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  download podcast platform,
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  which I don't think is really that true.
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  But regardless, I decided to
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  switch it back a little bit
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  for a little bit, trying something new.
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  And the reason I'm doing that is because
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  I find when I record with video,
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  my ideas changed, my mannerisms,
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  the way I speak changes,
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  it's a lot less natural.
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  I cut more, I edit it, I have someone
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  actually edit it for me.
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  And I decided for the audio podcast,
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  I want to go back to
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  where we began, you know,
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  10 years ago, going back
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  to saying, you know what,
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  I really enjoyed doing a podcast just
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  with the microphone,
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  just looking at my notes,
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  looking at a computer screen
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  and talking to you in
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  your earbuds, right?
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  That's the goal.
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  That's where a lot of
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  you are listening to me.
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  And I've noticed that I, I don't know,
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  I find I'm a little better that way.
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  I'm still going to do a podcast episode
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  after this for YouTube,
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  but everything else that we do
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  on Spotify and Apple podcasts,
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  on your favorite podcast
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  app that you listen to this on
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  will continue to be audio,
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  but I'm going to just
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  record for audio, right?
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  You're going to get
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  the raw kind of thoughts
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  because that's what I love about
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  podcasting is it's raw.
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  It doesn't have to be perfectly edited.
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  It doesn't have to be like
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  an NPR or a CBC radio show
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  in terms of the quality of that content.
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  But I just love just riffing on a
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  microphone and just being like,
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  Hey, let's just talk about this stuff.
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  And so that's what
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  we're going to do today.
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  We're going to go back to the root,
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  see how this goes for a little bit.
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  And I'd love to tell,
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  I'd love if you've been listening to this
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  episode or this podcast for the last
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  little bit, I'd love for you to tell me
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  what you think of the difference.
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  So whether it's like, you know,
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  straight up interview or
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  straight up solo episode,
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  I've done video and it's been a little
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  bit more edited or this kind of fashion,
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  where it's a little bit more raw,
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  but I'm talking to you personally in your
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  earbuds, not in video.
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  I find them a little bit
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  more relaxed without the video.
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  Still gonna do video on YouTube, but
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  just, I want to hear your thoughts.
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  So hit me up on Instagram at,
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  at how to protect the ocean or you can
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  email me at or Andrew
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  at speak up for blue.com.
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  Andrew at speak up for blue.com.
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  Or you can go to my website, just hit up
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  the contact desk and leave me,
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  just felt the form.
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  Leave me a note.
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  Love to know the difference because this
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  is going to dictate how I do things in
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  the future. Anyway, I
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  always love your feedback,
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  but let's get into the episode today.
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  Today we're going to be talking about
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  conversations, right?
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  Going back to podcasting the way I used
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  to doing a podcast where,
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  Hey man, like we're just
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  going to talk about stuff.
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  We're going to talk about the ocean.
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  I find I was doing a presentation last
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  week in front of a school,
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  the great nine girls
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  in front of the girls.
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  So freshmen for a lot
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  of you Americans who,
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  who don't go by grades
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  necessarily in high school.
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  And I was asked to come to a talk.
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  It was a wonderful talk
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  about climate activism.
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  It was, it was like a two week thing
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  where they put these great nines through
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  this two week program and they get to
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  talk to different leaders and mentors and
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  all that kind of stuff.
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  And it's, it's a wonderful program.
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  I got to speak to it because I have a
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  friend who teaches there and they asked
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  me to speak about my career.
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  And the one thing I said to them, I, I
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  had talked to a lot of people, I said,
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  do we talk about science in society?
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  Do we talk about, you know, the ocean in
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  society and the role
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  it plays in society or
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  just like the things that are affecting
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  us that are about the ocean?
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  And they were like, no, we don't really,
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  I know we live in Ontario.
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  So oceans are not going to be a common
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  theme because we don't
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  live right beside an ocean,
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  but we do live by the great lakes, the
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  great lakes we live by.
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  We should be talking about the great
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  lakes more, but we don't
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  talk about the great lakes
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  more and we don't talk about the role
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  that the great lakes or
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  the oceans play in our
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  general lives.
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  When I told some of the kids that every
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  second breath from the ocean or every
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  second breath we take is from the ocean.
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  So every second breath
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  we take is from the ocean.
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  Imagine that people didn't know that that
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  should be like on the
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  tips of our tongues.
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  Every moment that should be in drain.
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  That should be entrenched in our minds
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  from a young age
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  because we depend on the ocean
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  as a race, as a planet.
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  We depend on the ocean.
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  If we screw this ocean up, we only get
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  one big ocean, right?
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  I know there's regions, but we get one
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  ocean and if we screw it up, we're done.
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  That's really comes down to it.
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  If we screw up the ocean so
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  badly, we're done as a species.
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  It may not happen for a long time for us,
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  but we're done if
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  this continues to happen.
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  And so what I want to do today is I want
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  to say, hey, let's
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  encourage more conversation
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  around the ocean. It doesn't have to be
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  about just conservation.
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  It doesn't have to be about science, but
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  it can be about the cool things that we
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  all love about the ocean.
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  I'm about, I'm getting ready.
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  I just came back from trip and I'm also
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  getting ready to go for
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  another vacation to Jamaica.
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  I can't wait.
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  It's going to be a lot of fun, but
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  there's a reason why we go to vacation
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  spots where there's an ocean.
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  We love the color blue as a species.
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  We love being by the ocean.
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  I love the noise of the waves hitting
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  against the shore of the beach.
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  That is that is a calm for me.
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  That is peaceful for me.
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  That's like that's where I get
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  reenergized to come back and do this
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  podcast over and over again to do the
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  work that I do on a day to day basis.
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  That's what I do.
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  And a lot of others do it as well to kind
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  of just relax, get away from for us in
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  Canada, the winters as we get out of this
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  winter and we're waiting for spring.
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  But we need the ocean.
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  We need the ocean, even if we're on the
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  BC coast or the Arctic coast or the or
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  the Atlantic coast or the Gulf of Mexico
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  coast, wherever you're
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  at, you need the ocean.
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  It helps rejuvenate us all, whether it's
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  by breath or whether it's by sight and
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  just mental health as it's huge, as huge
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  more and more these days.
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  That's that's the best part.
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  But I wanted to talk about some of the
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  key benefits of talking about the ocean.
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  Right. Because a lot of people will be
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  like, well, what are you talking about?
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  Are we talking about I can't do lectures
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  or I can't do this in front of classrooms
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  and things like that?
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  Like you just did. No, no, we're just
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  talking about general
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  conversations at the dinner table.
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  You have dinner party or you went out to
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  a restaurant or you had a party.
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  Are you talking about
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  the ocean in general?
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  Because the one thing it
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  does do is enhance public.
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  It enhances public
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  awareness and education.
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  So engaging in a type of dialogue around
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  the marine ecosystems and conservation
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  efforts increases the public's
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  understanding of ocean issues.
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  So just having a dialogue, just having a
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  conversation, the heightened awareness
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  can lead to more informed decisions and
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  behaviors to support
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  environmental sustainability.
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  Because if we're talking about
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  more, it's on our minds more.
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  Like, think about this.
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  If you're on social media, right, which a
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  lot of us are on social media, including
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  myself, sometimes a lot
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  of times to a detriment.
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  But if I've got my phone in front of me
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  and I'm doom scrolling and I'm doom
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  scrolling and I'm doing school and I keep
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  seeing things happen.
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  The world is like terrible.
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  All this stuff comes out and all this
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  negative, negative, negative.
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  We know these social media
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  platforms love negativity.
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  So I'm looking at this phone and I'm
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  looking through like TikTok or Instagram
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  or Facebook or whatever.
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  It's just like just articles being shared
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  or, you know, comments being made or
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  things like that on politicians,
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  you know, profiles
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  and and posts and stuff.
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  And you just see it's
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  negative, negative, negative, negative.
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  Eventually, I'm going to have a negative
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  mindset because I'm
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  looking at all this negativity.
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  But now imagine if we talk about the
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  ocean, not only in a positive way, but
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  even in the negative way that the
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  negative things that are occurring.
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  But we're talking about the ocean.
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  It becomes more and more on our mind.
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  So not just talking about the
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  conservation issues, but talking about
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  what we like to do in the ocean, how we
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  interact with it, what it brings to us.
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  So maybe some new
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  science studies that happen.
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  One thing that I've noticed that we could
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  do and this is what I've been doing is I
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  would say, hey, you know, check GPT.
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  Tell me where the or show me the the new
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  articles that are out, scientific
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  articles that are that are
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  on the ocean about the ocean.
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  You know, give me a list and they'll say,
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  OK, summarize these.
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  I don't have to read through them all and
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  they'll summarize it for me.
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  I'm like, this is perfect. Now I can tell
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  other people about it.
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  This is awesome. Right.
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  And then I can write messages on and I
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  can say, hey, if I want more
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  information, where should I go?
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  Where does the article say I should go?
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  It'll give me references and stuff.
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  It's perfect. It's awesome.
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  We have so much technology we can get to
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  know more about the ocean just to enhance
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  the public awareness by talking about it.
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  Right. Just in our own education.
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  Now, so when people start talking about
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  the ocean, they start getting it on their
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  minds, getting on their minds.
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  They start being like, oh, you know what?
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  I would like to do more about the ocean.
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  I like to, you know, be
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  involved a little bit more.
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  Well, that will be promotion of citizen
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  science initiatives.
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  Imagine that you want to
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  do so much about the ocean.
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  You start volunteering with organizations
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  on their programs where you can actually
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  participate in the field work for their
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  studies, whether it be universities or
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  whether it be a coalition or an order,
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  even nonprofit organizations or a
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  coalition of nonprofit organizations and
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  academia or government and so forth.
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  And you can take part in the citizen
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  science initiatives.
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  So just having regular conversations
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  about marine science can encourage that
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  those citizen science
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  projects to be done.
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  And they allow individuals to contribute
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  to scientific research, which gives them
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  a sense of involvement and belonging and
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  then invest in the marine conservation
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  efforts of these projects.
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  Now, all of a sudden,
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  you're in it, right?
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  You've got you got you got skin in the
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  game, as they say, right?
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  You've already taken a bite out of it.
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  And it's amazing to feel like having to
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  be a part of a citizen
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  science project is amazing.
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  Trust me on this.
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  So you could also influence the policy
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  and governance of the marine environment.
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  Because you you're talking about the
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  ocean so much, you're starting to
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  understand some of the key issues that
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  are facing the ocean and some of the
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  policies or solutions.
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  Because once we hear a pro like a
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  problem, we're like, hey, how do I get
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  how do we figure out the solution?
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  What is the solution?
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  A lot of a lot of politicians will ask,
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  like, you know, experts.
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  Well, they used to anyway.
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  I don't know about these
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  governments these days.
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  But these as experts, they say, hey,
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  what's the solution to this?
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  Give us the good and the bad of these
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  different solutions.
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  And then we'll figure
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  out what to do after that.
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  So having that knowledge, you get to
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  understand some of those policies and you
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  get to have that dialogue where you know
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  what you're talking about, even if it's
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  on a scratch the surface level, you can
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  actually talk to people about, you know,
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  talk to officials, whether it be city
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  councilors, whether it be Senate members,
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  Congress people in state,
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  provincial or federal levels.
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  You can have those conversations as they
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  come to your door and ask for your vote.
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  You're like, well, while we're talking
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  about that, let's have a
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  conversation about the ocean.
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  There's so many things that we can do.
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  We just don't know about the ocean.
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  Right.
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  Then you have the benefit of economic
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  benefits through sustainable practices.
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  So understanding that using sustainable
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  practices can bring in more money.
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  It could break it, help benefit local
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  economies, particularly those that rely
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  on fishing and tourism.
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  I've talked a lot about projects that
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  help communities or that work with
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  communities to help them adapt to climate
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  change for their fishing communities, to
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  help them adapt to marine protect,
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  installing and implementing and managing
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  marine protected areas.
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  All these things help them do that.
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  When I had an official from rare on
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  organization that deals a lot with
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  tropical systems and very small fishing
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  villages and help some fish for longer
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  using sustainable practices.
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  Last time we had somebody on that, we
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  talked about a program where
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  it was like a climate program.
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  So when typhoons come in to the area and
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  destroy the marine environment and they
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  had a marine protected area like the
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  coast would manage, right?
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  The coastal village would manage.
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  Well, when that typhoon would come in, it
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  would destroy the marine protected area.
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  They couldn't fish in the MPA because
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  they just, there was nothing there.
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  It was all broken down, but
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  they had to fish somewhere.
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  Right.
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  So why would they like usually you don't
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  fish in an MPA usually fish outside, but
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  then like, well, maybe the ones that the
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  fish outside are gone
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  because of the storm.
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  Even if it's temporary, you
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  still need to feed your families.
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  So what that what rare it is, they worked
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  with this organization or with this like
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  community group and they said, hey, look,
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  how about you contribute to a savings
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  plan, a climate savings plan in case or
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  when the typhoon comes
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  in, it destroys your area.
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  You can pull from that savings plan as a
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  community and then you can still feed
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  your kids, send them to
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  school, all that kind of stuff.
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  This is in the Philippines,
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  the way it's structured there.
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  And so they were like,
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  okay, yeah, this is great.
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  Let's do this.
• 1:14:17
  And that happened.
• 1:14:18
  A typhoon comes in and destroys the
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  marine protected area,
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  destroys everything else.
• 1:14:21
  Instead of going and fishing for
• 1:14:23
  everything that's left and maybe even
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  destroying the habitat even more because
• 1:14:27
  these natural disasters happen.
• 1:14:29
  They're happening more often and more
• 1:14:30
  intensely because of climate change due
• 1:14:32
  to our mismanagement of
• 1:14:34
  climate and fossil fuels.
• 1:14:36
  But they still come in and
• 1:14:38
  they still like ruin this.
• 1:14:41
  They actually were able to
• 1:14:42
  pull from that savings plan.
• 1:14:45
  That banking savings plan, they were able
• 1:14:46
  to pay for their food, pay for their kids
• 1:14:48
  to go to school, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:50
  That's important to
• 1:14:51
  those local communities.
• 1:14:52
  So having the economic benefits through
• 1:14:56
  using sustainable practice makes sense
• 1:14:58
  and it works more often than not.
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  A lot of times, though, they're new to a
• 1:15:02
  society so you don't know how long it's
• 1:15:04
  going to be, right, before it takes
• 1:15:06
  place, before they even implement it,
• 1:15:08
  even if they want to implement it.
• 1:15:11
  Right.
• 1:15:11
  It takes a lot of time to change people's
• 1:15:13
  behaviors, a lot of patience, especially
• 1:15:15
  for conservationists when it comes to the
• 1:15:17
  environment and food.
• 1:15:20
  The last thing I'm going to mention is
• 1:15:21
  that there's cultural and
• 1:15:22
  recreational enrichments.
• 1:15:24
  So the oceans hold significant cultural
• 1:15:26
  and recreational value.
• 1:15:28
  We know this already.
• 1:15:30
  Conversations about marine science can
• 1:15:32
  deepen appreciation for these aspects,
• 1:15:34
  promote activities like responsible
• 1:15:36
  tourism and community engagement in
• 1:15:38
  conservation projects.
• 1:15:39
  Having that part of your program, whether
• 1:15:44
  it be for just talking about science,
• 1:15:47
  talking about the ocean, whether it
• 1:15:48
  doesn't have to be science, ocean
• 1:15:49
  conservation or just the ocean in
• 1:15:51
  general, will help all of these things.
• 1:15:54
  From enhancing public awareness and
• 1:15:56
  education to promoting citizen science,
• 1:15:59
  citizenship science and ship, citizen
• 1:16:01
  science, citizen science ship.
• 1:16:03
  Is that how you say it?
• 1:16:04
  I don't know.
• 1:16:05
  Regardless, it's OK.
• 1:16:06
  We're not editing this, guys.
• 1:16:06
  We're not editing this. And then, of course, there's like
• 1:16:10
  economic benefits through
• 1:16:11
  sustainable practices, right?
• 1:16:12
  Influence on policy because you know what
• 1:16:14
  you're talking about.
• 1:16:15
  So when politicians come up and they try
• 1:16:16
  to BS you, if they don't want to help the
• 1:16:18
  environment, you can call them out on
• 1:16:20
  that right on your doorstep if they still
• 1:16:21
  come to your doorstep.
• 1:16:23
  And then, of course, you have cultural
• 1:16:24
  and recreational enrichment.
• 1:16:26
  It just makes us a better community to
• 1:16:27
  know our environment.
• 1:16:29
  So what I encourage everybody to do is to
• 1:16:33
  not only understand what's happening with your, you know, your environment, your environment.
• 1:16:34
  What's happening with your, you know,
• 1:16:37
  your ocean around you, your coast.
• 1:16:39
  But start talking about it,
• 1:16:41
  talking to friends about it.
• 1:16:42
  Even if you don't know something like,
• 1:16:43
  hey, does anybody know
• 1:16:44
  about mangrove forests?
• 1:16:45
  Does anybody know about seagrass?
• 1:16:47
  Anybody know about salt marshes or
• 1:16:48
  coastal habitats and what role they play?
• 1:16:51
  Because we would really love to find out.
• 1:16:52
  I was reading this article.
• 1:16:53
  I was listening to this great podcast
• 1:16:56
  called How to Protect the Ocean.
• 1:16:58
  You see what I did there?
• 1:17:00
  And I have this information.
• 1:17:01
  I want to ask you questions or I want to
• 1:17:03
  discuss it with you.
• 1:17:05
  This podcast could serve as the beginning
• 1:17:08
  of a conversation on oceans.
• 1:17:10
  And you continue it with
• 1:17:11
  your family and friends.
• 1:17:13
  Doesn't matter if they're young or old or
• 1:17:15
  middle age, doesn't matter
• 1:17:16
  same age, it doesn't matter.
• 1:17:19
  Have these
• 1:17:19
  conversations with your coworkers.
• 1:17:21
  Have this conversation with your family.
• 1:17:22
  Have this conversation with your friends.
• 1:17:25
  It's not nerdy or geeky to
• 1:17:27
  have these conversations.
• 1:17:28
  It's extremely important.
• 1:17:30
  And it's important that we
• 1:17:32
  talk about this more and more.
• 1:17:36
  So that's the episode for today.
• 1:17:38
  That is what we're talking about is
• 1:17:40
  talking about oceans.
• 1:17:41
  It's one of the reasons it's a perfect
• 1:17:43
  opportunity to go back to
• 1:17:44
  podcasting the way I used to.
• 1:17:47
  I'll still do videos on YouTube.
• 1:17:48
  Don't worry about that.
• 1:17:49
  But this is this I get excited.
• 1:17:50
  You can almost even hear
• 1:17:51
  it in my voice, I hope.
• 1:17:52
  But this is fun for me.
• 1:17:54
  And this works.
• 1:17:56
  You know, it's going to be a little extra
• 1:17:57
  work, but it works to do the video in
• 1:17:58
  that because I want to bring as many
• 1:18:00
  people and start that conversation off.
• 1:18:02
  Where do you want to
• 1:18:04
  learn more about the ocean?
• 1:18:06
  Is it the science?
• 1:18:07
  Is it just learning about ocean animals
• 1:18:09
  in the ocean is in general?
• 1:18:10
  Is it the conservation?
• 1:18:12
  Is it the issues you
• 1:18:13
  want to know more about?
• 1:18:13
  Let me know what you think.
• 1:18:15
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• 1:18:16
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• 1:18:18
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• 1:18:20
  If you're listening to or go to YouTube,
• 1:18:21
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• 1:18:22
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• 1:18:24
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• 1:18:26
  put up on YouTube when it goes up.
• 1:18:28
  But I get hit hit me up on Instagram at
• 1:18:31
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• 1:18:33
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• 1:18:39
  to just find out more information about
• 1:18:40
  the ocean, you go to
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  That's where we're at. We're almost
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  Imagine that that's going to be amazing
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  when we get to that level because I'm not
• 1:18:59
  stopping anytime soon.
• 1:19:01
  And I can't wait to be able to discuss
• 1:19:02
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  Thank you so much for joining me on
• 1:19:12
  today's episode of the how
• 1:19:13
  to protect the ocean podcast.
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  Going back to my
• 1:19:16
  roots and true audio form.
• 1:19:19
  Thank you so much for listening to this
• 1:19:20
  how to protect the ocean podcast.
• 1:19:21
  I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
• 1:19:23
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  Enjoy your day. We'll talk to you next
• 1:19:28
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