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Almost Famous OG: Love and Lies with Susie Evans · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hi almost Famous Oge's it's Trista again and I get
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  Speaker 2: to talk to Susie this time.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, so good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: You too. You look beautiful, always looking beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I'm in my like fluffy sweater and everyone's
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  Speaker 2: got these beautiful like glitterally glam.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding? You look gorgeous like a white sweater
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  Speaker 1: like it's I mean, first of all, it's bold, like
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  Speaker 1: you can't get anything on it, like you have comments
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  Speaker 1: in yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I literally was like, what am I going to drink?
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  Speaker 2: I thought red wine? And I'm like maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: Were do you champagne tonight? Because I.
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  Speaker 2: Did just ask for a Moscow meal, but I might
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  Speaker 2: need to switch that. That's safe, let's just do it. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: how is life?
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  Speaker 1: Life's pretty good? That's good. You're in La Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: like close to weeho area. Okay, yeah, so it's fun.
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  Speaker 1: It's like West Hollywood. I like, what is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, West Hollywood. I'm trending now. I'm an La girl.
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  Speaker 1: I abbreviate, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This old one needs a little abbreviation.
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  Speaker 3: Help every so often?
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  Speaker 2: And are you and justin still you know, that is.
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  Speaker 1: Like the question of the century, that is, you're not answering.
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  Speaker 1: Answering last year I think that was the question of
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Mansion as well, right last year. Yeah. We yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we are like working on things and seeing if it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense for us and taking things slow, taking things privately,
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of like seeing like what really makes
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  Speaker 1: sense for us, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the cool thing about it is that
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  Speaker 1: we have been able to maintain like a very positive
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  Speaker 1: friendship through all of it. So good. Yeah, that's important,
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  Speaker 1: grateful that we both. I think that's because we started
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  Speaker 1: as such close friends that we were like, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was the fear the whole time of like, Okay, if
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  Speaker 1: we start a relationship, like we might lose the friendship been. So,
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  Speaker 1: I think a big thing in life is just like
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  Speaker 1: compatibility and huge. Yeah, and so I think that's something
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  Speaker 1: where we're just at points in our life where we're
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  Speaker 1: like we got to figure out if we're compatible. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very important. I feel like that's what I
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  Speaker 2: was looking for on the show. Yeah, compatibility, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: amongst a lot of other things, but compatibility is huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys met.
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  Speaker 3: How long ago?
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  Speaker 1: I guess it would be like two years. Oh my gosh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess like two years ago. But we were just friends.
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  Speaker 1: You were just last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and you met after you were on
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  Speaker 2: the show or after she was on.
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  Speaker 1: After both of us had been on the show and
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  Speaker 1: off the show for a while, because I dated Clayton
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  Speaker 1: for almost a year, right, and then yeah, we broke up,
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  Speaker 1: and then Justin hired me as a videographer. We both know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, we're from like only three hours
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  Speaker 1: from each other. Okay, So he hired me to do
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  Speaker 1: some videography work for him, and then we friends. We
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  Speaker 1: both moved to LA at the same time and maintained
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  Speaker 1: friendship throughout it.
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  Speaker 3: I love hearing this story. Yeah, I love the backstories.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Are you still doing videography stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Not as much. I have been wanting to do it more,
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  Speaker 1: just as like a passion thing, because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: for a lot I did it for four years as
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  Speaker 1: a wedding videographer. Yes, and then okay's with the white sweater,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but I have to try it.
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  Speaker 2: It looks so.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutelyautiful and it's gorgeous with you. I feel like you
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  Speaker 1: need a picture with it, even you know, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: This is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Cheers, Wow, cheers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's really I know that's so pretty.
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  Speaker 1: That's so Jo.
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  Speaker 2: Did you just bring me that drink?
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  Speaker 3: Because thank you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. He was like, no, I was getting
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  Speaker 1: something from the.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So Clayton, you guys you left the show right separate,
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  Speaker 2: you guys rekindled things afterwards, Yeah, and then you broke up.
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  Speaker 2: How was like the public and either support or scrutiny
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  Speaker 2: through that whole thing? It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty tough because it was very divided. Like
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  Speaker 1: it was hard because at that point we were seeing
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  Speaker 1: so much like Team Clayton Team Susie, and people didn't
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  Speaker 1: know we were together because I had left the show.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh gosh, everyone who's rooting for
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  Speaker 1: me and hates him, and everyone who's hating me and
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  Speaker 1: loves him, like they're all going to see us read
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  Speaker 1: Night in a week and they have no idea that
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be team Clayton and Susie. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So it was pretty brutal. I look back and I'm
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  Speaker 1: like I was not well, Like I was like really
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  Speaker 1: not good. But I think that I have this like
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  Speaker 1: ability to like in emergencies, like whenever I'm facing emergencies
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  Speaker 1: like high adrenaline situations, like I am strategic and I
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  Speaker 1: am like, yes, I'm going to solve this, Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: very motivated to be like things are going to be okay,
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  Speaker 1: like I have a positive outlook.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it was probably like three or four months after
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  Speaker 1: the show had completely ended, where like I was getting
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  Speaker 1: into therapy. I'd been in therapy, but I was like
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  Speaker 1: really getting into like the nitty gritty of therapy. I
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  Speaker 1: had like met with a few people for like management
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  Speaker 1: stuff like post show, just like what do you want
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  Speaker 1: to do? You have this platform now, And somebody was like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you want to do with all of this
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  Speaker 1: that you've just like accumulated. And I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, Like I haven't thought about myself or like
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  Speaker 1: my goals, Like I haven't thought about any of that
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  Speaker 1: because I have just been in like.
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  Speaker 3: Emergency.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I was just like I was just not
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  Speaker 1: really like mentally in a good space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I just I think I was worried about
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  Speaker 1: everyone around me. I think, like Clayton, I've kind of
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  Speaker 1: talked about it where like he faced a lot more
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  Speaker 1: scrutiny than me, and I think seeing that as somebody
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  Speaker 1: that loved him and was like seeing somebody you love
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  Speaker 1: just get like torn to shreds online. I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: we got to make this better for you. Yeah, lift
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  Speaker 1: you up, let's do this. And I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: was like putting I felt like I was putting out fires.
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  Speaker 1: And we learnt about it relationship. Yeah, and we laugh
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  Speaker 1: about it now and we're like on great terms and
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  Speaker 1: he's and I'm grateful for him and he's grateful for me.
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  Speaker 1: But like at some point I like looked at it
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  Speaker 1: all and I was like, oh, I've like literally been
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  Speaker 1: like avoiding my mental health and my well being. So
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  Speaker 1: I think there was a there was just a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like pain that kind of came with that, because
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  Speaker 1: even even if you were team Susie, I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: you to like tear down the person I cared about.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, oh no, I feel that. Have you
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  Speaker 3: ever done an Enneagram test?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what number?
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  Speaker 1: I'm seven?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a two.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like you're you're You've probably got a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of two in there too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we remind me went to helper. Okay, I'm I
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  Speaker 1: would say, maybe that's like my wing.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever, probably because I like, I feel that what
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  Speaker 2: you were just like you were speaking to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what you were just saying.
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  Speaker 1: Putting out fires and like.
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  Speaker 2: Like you want to help other people be happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that sounds detriment of detriment of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah huh, which is actually one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 2: I just did this new show Special Forces.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I want to hear all about this.
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  Speaker 1: I know we can't talk about it like right now.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about it, but oh but I'm yes, I'll be
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  Speaker 2: on season three.
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  Speaker 3: And it was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the reasons that I did it is
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like I've put people, yeah before myself
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  Speaker 2: for so long. I've been a stay at home and
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  Speaker 2: work mom for almost eighteen years, so like they were
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  Speaker 2: they were my world are my world, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: change that for the world, of course, But I just
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  Speaker 2: with this opportunity, I was like, I can get back
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  Speaker 2: to me. I'll do something for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's a really big thing to be like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do something for me, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go out into wilderness and put on army clothes
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  Speaker 1: and fight for my life like that is an old
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  Speaker 1: one which I love, very old.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not like it came up with the idea, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, they came to ask, and I was at
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  Speaker 2: first I said hell no, like I'm.
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  Speaker 1: There' are you kidding right? Why would you help me?
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  Speaker 2: And then I thought about it and thought, hmmm, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I could get something out of this.
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  Speaker 1: And people women are going to get something out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm excited to see like other women see themselves
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  Speaker 1: in you, because I feel like as a helper, whether
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  Speaker 1: you're at enneaingram too or you're just a helpful, kind person.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of women in nice guys as well.
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  Speaker 1: They I'm not gonna say just all women, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of women, I know. I'm like, we put others'
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  Speaker 1: needs before ourselves. I feel like when you become a mom,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a mom, but when that happens, you prioritize
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  Speaker 1: everybody else around you. And I saw that with my mom,
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  Speaker 1: who also was like similar in her mom role where
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  Speaker 1: it was like she worked, but she also stayed at
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  Speaker 1: home at times and she was like family first. She
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  Speaker 1: kept everything together for us, and I think it's really
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  Speaker 1: it's like you want now as an adult, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to choose yourself. But even now, she's
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  Speaker 1: like grandma and she's like she wants to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: provide for the grand kids, and everything's about everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be really cool for
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  Speaker 1: women to see you do something like this, which is
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  Speaker 1: can I say, badass? You sure can, which is a
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  Speaker 1: really badass Like that's thank you, freaking cool, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It was a crazy experience and I just am so
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  Speaker 2: grateful that they actually did want me.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like I remember having the conversation, the
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  Speaker 2: first conversation with the producers and they're like, well, why
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  Speaker 2: would you want to do it?
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  Speaker 3: And I said that reason.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been pouring into my kids and my
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  Speaker 2: family for almost eighteen years, and I kind of just
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  Speaker 2: want to do something for myself and reconnect with the
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  Speaker 2: me that I was before I had kids. Not that
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  Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with it, Like, yeah, I have loved
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  Speaker 2: my job. I would do it all over again if
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  Speaker 2: I had to, but you know, maybe now's my time.
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  Speaker 1: Did you train for it?
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  Speaker 2: I did?
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  Speaker 3: I did?
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  Speaker 2: I called Hannah Hannah Brown. He's on the first season
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  Speaker 2: and she crushed it.
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  Speaker 3: She won. I called her and.
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  Speaker 2: She gave me the advice to like go out for
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  Speaker 2: big hikes or runs if I can with a pack,
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  Speaker 2: and so I tried that. I am not a runner,
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  Speaker 2: have never been a runner. I'm not an endurance athlete.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more like the sprinter version when I was an athlete,
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  Speaker 2: and that hasn't been in a long time. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was really great advice, and I just wish
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  Speaker 2: I would have done more of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, do you feel like it was more
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  Speaker 1: physical or mental for you?
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  Speaker 3: I think god like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, oh that's interesting freaking hard mentally.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because it's obviously very I believe it's got to
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  Speaker 1: be mental too, Like that's my I love the show.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my strategic take is that I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like people who might go in physically very tough,
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  Speaker 1: you might think they have an advantage, but sometimes there's
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  Speaker 1: people come with an attitude. You are so right, and
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  Speaker 1: you guys kick the attitude to the curb if you
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  Speaker 1: want to be like like and when I think of military,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like respect, like you can't have an ego, like
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  Speaker 1: you get shot down, like you literally want to like
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  Speaker 1: break you down, and you might come in with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of physical, you know, advantages, but I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the mental piece has to be huge.
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  Speaker 3: It is massive. It is massive.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for that reason too, it's a great
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  Speaker 2: reason to do the show.
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  Speaker 3: You know, would you ever do it?
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  Speaker 1: I would?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think I would like get a thrill from like
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  Speaker 1: the like the scene where they like drop the car
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  Speaker 1: in the water, Like I think I would low key
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  Speaker 1: love that, Like I think there's something wrong in my brain,
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: but I.
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  Speaker 2: Think there's something wrong with me if I'm enjoy that.
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  Speaker 1: Like that thing, I would enjoy. But then when they
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  Speaker 1: like buried Hannah underground, that's I'm out, so out. So
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  Speaker 1: if I ever do the show, nobody released this act
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  Speaker 1: because I don't need them knowing my weakness because you
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  Speaker 1: know that they're going to do that if you tell
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  Speaker 1: them literally, So yeah, this can't go anywhere after that.
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  Speaker 2: But although I have to say, like, you go into
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  Speaker 2: it and you think you have certain fears, Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: had a huge fear of open water, long story, huge
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  Speaker 2: fear of open water. Right, So it was in Wales.
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  Speaker 2: We shot in Whales, and the first thing that we
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  Speaker 2: did was open water swim, and I wasn't scared like
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  Speaker 2: I I think because I was so tuned into everything
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  Speaker 2: that was happening around me. I wasn't thinking about actually swimming.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I did well, but I did well enough
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  Speaker 2: for me. I just feel like I wasn't thinking about
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  Speaker 2: my fear interesting, you know what I mean. And then
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  Speaker 2: I have a pretty healthy fear of heights. And we
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  Speaker 2: did this. You see it in the trailer, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: not spoiling anything. We jump off this bridge and it was.
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  Speaker 1: A really tall bridge.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember how tall, but very very tall. And
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  Speaker 2: I get to the top, I get all like harnessed
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  Speaker 2: in and Foxy is the like DS guy who's like
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  Speaker 2: standing up there with me, and they all know everyone's fears, right,
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  Speaker 2: they're all tuned in. And I know that he knew
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  Speaker 2: I had a healthy fear of heights. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: my worst fear, but I had a healthy fear of heights.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, Okay, we'll turn around and see what
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  Speaker 2: you're you know about, ready to do it, fully expecting
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  Speaker 2: me to be like panic mode, you know, screaming, crying, whatever, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I turn around and I was like, oh, it's beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: so wholesome.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, that's so wholesome. You're like, wait, this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of sas so gorgeous, Like where am I? What is
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  Speaker 1: my life right now? This is amazing?
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  Speaker 4: Mind you about to joke a huge bridge, But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: he'd he literally was like it's beautiful, Like what are
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  Speaker 4: you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Are you scared?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 1: It's really beautiful, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It was so you never know like how you're going
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  Speaker 2: to react to like your fears until you're that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: The open water would scare me, especially in whales. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that where lockness monsters? I would be like, yeah, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't talk to you I went on the show.
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  Speaker 1: I would have been freaking everyone out. Like I literally
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  Speaker 1: would have been like, y'all know this is where lockness is.
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, you're lucky you're here right now,
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  Speaker 1: Like for that reason alone, Thank god you made it
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  Speaker 1: out messy. Isn't that what they call her? Yeah? That
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  Speaker 1: is so funny.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think about another thing that I did not
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  Speaker 2: even think about. We were in Richmond, which is where
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  Speaker 2: Ted Lasso is filmed, and I was walking around like
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: it was before we filmed, and I'm like, down this
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  Speaker 2: street because I'm following like all the people, and I
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: look up and I'm like, huh, this is.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Ted Lasso's street. Crazy. That's amazing, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 3: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, enough about me. Life is good.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I want to keep going. That was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Later, I'm gonna have to pick your
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: brain because social of course, for sure. It was really
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: really fun. Are you still doing your podcast?
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm still doing it. It's called Live Laugh Lies,
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  Speaker 1: and we started in September and we're taking a little
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  Speaker 1: break for Christmas, but then back in the New year.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It's been really fun. It's kind of become its own thing.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Like we didn't really know where it was going because
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the topic is lie. So we're like, okay, lots of
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: like crazy dating stories. We had Resa Tisa on who
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: she's really fun. She did an eighty part series on
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: TikTok talking to me, like eighty videos. Oh some of
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: them we're ten minutes long. Oh my god. Crazy. And
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: she just got a show if you are listening Resa Tisa, Yeah,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: she's got like a show on TV somewhere. So I
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: forget the network, but a show about her experience. This
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: guy like lied about everything, including his social Security number,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: like where he was born. He just made up every
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: piece of who he was, like he was fully just
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: like a con artist. Essentially. She married him, started a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: life with him, and then it all came crashing down.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Really crazy story. So she was like one of our
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: first guests. And then we had Macy Neely from Secret
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Lives of the Mormon Wives. Oh so like we're going
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like Mormon you know, scandals, and now we're getting someone
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: from Nexus the Colts. I think it's I think it is. Yeah,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: what is it Nextim, Yes, we haven't filmed it yet.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like I don't. I need to do my research.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: But I'm like that is like so it's really becoming
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: like a that's so cool true crime meets relationships.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Are you a true crime junkie?
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I was for a long time, but then I started
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to get really scared. So I have to like be
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: really cautious, and I'm like, I can't like listen to it
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: when i know I'm going to be alone for too
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: long or if I'm going home, like from somewhere. I
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: used to listen to podcasts on the way home from work,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I like had to stop because I was like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I can't get out of my car without like an escort.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I have to like call someone to come get me.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: No, no, that does not work.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's so fun.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you congratulations.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Of course it was so easy.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: You look so beautiful.