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I Am All In…Again: I Smell Snow (Season 1 E8 “Love and War and Snow”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's you.
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  Speaker 3: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
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  Speaker 1: to eleven productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart podcasts. We are
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  Speaker 1: gonna visit with Shelley Cole and discuss season one, Episode eight,
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  Speaker 1: Love and War Air Day, December fourteenth, two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: Shelley Cole, How you doing?
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  Speaker 3: I'm well, it's do you want to see how pretty
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  Speaker 3: it is?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? Are you in Colorado and it's snowing? It's
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  Speaker 1: butt off. I got to show you. I always check
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  Speaker 1: the snow.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that beautiful snow?
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  Speaker 1: To me? I would have to say, you know, you've
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  Speaker 1: done all the interviews, Jelly. They always ask you what
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  Speaker 1: similarit you have to the character you play? You identify
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  Speaker 1: with most? What traits that kind of thing? I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you when it comes to snow. Me personally, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: Laura Lie.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know that's which which really leads into this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I identify I Snow brings me even
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  Speaker 1: more joy than what you saw her experience in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to be straight up honest I had
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  Speaker 3: never seen this episode before really, which was a real
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  Speaker 3: pleasure because I had never seen it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've been to some of the fan fests and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that, and I've done a ton of like you said,
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  Speaker 3: a ton of the interviews. I did not know. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this show, for God's sake, is such a fan like.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, fans just clamor over it. It's just amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So I never knew that I smell snow come from
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  Speaker 3: this episode, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Not also such an iconic line too.
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  Speaker 1: So is it's set up so beautifully. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't love the character of Loyal Eye for
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  Speaker 1: the first seven episodes, you fall deeply in love with
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  Speaker 1: her now. I mean it's just like anybody that can
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  Speaker 1: take a season and fall in love with the season,
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  Speaker 1: and this is this is I mean, it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a fall winter show, let's face it. I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: of the data is in, you know, the streaming data,
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  Speaker 1: which I talk about sometimes, is really spikes for Gilmore
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  Speaker 1: Girls on Netflix beginning in the first week of September,
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  Speaker 1: and it just keeps going up up up through the winter.
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  Speaker 1: Per week viewership it's in the five six hundred million
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  Speaker 1: viewing minutes per week. Yeah, and it's because I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I think if anybody Okay, let's say you consume the
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  Speaker 1: first set episodes and you'll like it, but you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I'll give it one
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  Speaker 1: more shot. And they see this, they're in for life.
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  Speaker 1: They're in for life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you. I love that you asked me
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  Speaker 3: to watch an episode and discuss an episode that I
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  Speaker 3: had never seen before. And then I'm not in because
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  Speaker 3: I'm in at least half the episodes for the first
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  Speaker 3: three full years and then two and the fourth year.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a pleasure to watch your reaction to
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  Speaker 3: Max and Laurel I walking together, to see how Luke
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  Speaker 3: it was so vulnerable and so really quite beautiful. And
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  Speaker 3: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
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  Speaker 3: that Loralai inspires Luke to take the coffees and the
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and to be that nice guy to
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  Speaker 3: the you know, you know, all of those people that
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  Speaker 3: he just hates, this stupid symbolism of But I feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's he who inspired she who inspires him to
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  Speaker 3: do this. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Does he does she maybe?
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  Speaker 3: I mean he's so pissed off during the meeting and
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  Speaker 3: he's like and he's all of that stuff, and they're
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  Speaker 3: describing an like that.
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  Speaker 1: Made that made me so happy because there's so much
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  Speaker 1: bad television. Now, yeah, there's a lot of good television.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of great but there's so much bad
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  Speaker 1: stuff out there that's so compromised. And so it's just
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  Speaker 1: there's there's nothing really interesting about it. There's no real
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  Speaker 1: thought behind it except for let's just make this as
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  Speaker 1: commercial and as soft as we possibly can to get
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  Speaker 1: the wide best audience. I mean, it's just like it's
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  Speaker 1: not even artistic. There's no art involved. It's just pure commerce.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but you know, I've watched a lot of
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  Speaker 3: television especially, you know, my downtime is so important to
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  Speaker 3: me because my job that I work now, I actually
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  Speaker 3: like to call it my work, because I don't like
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  Speaker 3: to call it a job. I work with in special
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  Speaker 3: ed department in the middle in high school here in Denver,
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  Speaker 3: and monkey and I do, and it is emotionally and
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  Speaker 3: physically taxing so much, and I and it's it's really
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  Speaker 3: important work, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. But
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  Speaker 3: it is hard work, and on my off time, I
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  Speaker 3: just come home and just just pass out. I'm so
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  Speaker 3: exhausted at the end of each day. And I just
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  Speaker 3: love to watch television right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's it's it can be very very relaxing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with a diplomat right now.
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  Speaker 3: I have before.
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  Speaker 1: It's just brilliant. She's great, rufus Sewell's great, Carrie Russell's great.
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  Speaker 1: Scripts are great. Everybody is great. If you're into that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. I love that kind of you know.
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  Speaker 1: I love anything that's smartly written about our world. Are
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  Speaker 1: that well, anything involving like the government.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch twenty four?
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  Speaker 1: Nope? Sorry that it's just the ad campaign for that
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  Speaker 1: didn't It.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't, Okay, But anyway, I think what you the point
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  Speaker 3: that you were making was this well, and like I said,
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  Speaker 3: this episode was so compelling for me to watch and
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  Speaker 3: beautiful and perfect timing because I mean, this snow is
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  Speaker 3: coming just at the right time. It's our second snowstorm
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  Speaker 3: of the year. And and I love love snow and
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  Speaker 3: so magical and and I don't miss l a like
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  Speaker 3: at all, and I love having these seasons. But the
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  Speaker 3: thing that hit me most was how Luke had his
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  Speaker 3: vulnerability and how he just oh and you and you
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  Speaker 3: see it all in just one look. And I feel
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  Speaker 3: like that was the defining moment for the episode truly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because up to that point you always it was
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  Speaker 4: implied that Luke had a thing for Laura I. But
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  Speaker 4: then this time, you like really visually saw it, and
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  Speaker 4: that was your confirmation.
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  Speaker 1: When he when he tried to get her into the
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  Speaker 1: diner to have a cup of coffee, and then when
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  Speaker 1: she said no as a friend. He was doing it
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  Speaker 1: as a potential boyfriend. She was saying no as a
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  Speaker 1: has acquaintance. As a buddy. He was disappointed when she
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  Speaker 1: walked away.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, man, But for me, it was that look,
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  Speaker 3: oh no.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know, I know what you're talking about. And
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  Speaker 1: he saw them kissing. Yeah, yeah, listen, I lived that.
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  Speaker 1: We've all had that experience. We've all been that guy
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  Speaker 1: and gal and seen that and it's it's devastating. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, I'm reading now and we're discussing with Shelley.
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  Speaker 1: Call ladies and gentlemen, this is this is Season one,
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  Speaker 1: episode eight, Love and War and Snow. Air date December fourteenth,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand, Susan, do you have it in front of you?
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  Speaker 1: Want to read the synopsis?
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Rory is stranded at her grandparents house by snowstorm.
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  Speaker 4: Lorelei spends the night with Rory's teacher, Max, and the
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  Speaker 4: townspeople re enact a revolutionary war battle. I had to
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  Speaker 4: put battle in air quotes there.
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  Speaker 1: Directed by Alan Meyer, beautifully directed by the Way, and
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  Speaker 1: written by Joan binder Weiss.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely was directed by him, and I definitely
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  Speaker 3: was in at least one episode that she wrote. It
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  Speaker 3: was really fun to have been there from the very well,
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  Speaker 3: not from the very but like the first episode after
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  Speaker 3: I mean the launching of it on Warner Brothers lot
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  Speaker 3: and and from day you know, from day one when
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  Speaker 3: it was established that was it was such an honor
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  Speaker 3: to have that, just that privilege of being there from
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  Speaker 3: the very first episode and growing with the show and
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  Speaker 3: with the crew and with everybody from the little trailer,
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  Speaker 3: the casting trailer to the giant you know building that
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  Speaker 3: every you know that they eventually took up residence in
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  Speaker 3: this true honor too to get to to get that
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  Speaker 3: experience from just from the very start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So here we are in the town meeting, all right,
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  Speaker 1: the first one, the first town meeting, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's classics. It was just this was the I think
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  Speaker 1: the funniest town meeting of them all. I mean, Taylor
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  Speaker 1: was funny and David Huddleston as the mayor was hysterically funny.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you just go s leave the US
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  Speaker 1: today and go stand in line paper in the USSR luke,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And it's just like that was it was hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: The guy floored me.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that Lorli and Roy were only there,
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  Speaker 3: uh with their popcorner, their hot dogs or whatever to
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  Speaker 3: watch you. You were like, they're entertainment and they're ready
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  Speaker 3: for a show.
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  Speaker 1: They're ready for a show, and they I gotta tell you,
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  Speaker 1: they set me up beautifully in this in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what fun Because I don't remember it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and but now when I see it again, I do
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  Speaker 1: remember walking out in the snow and serving them a
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  Speaker 1: callbe all the stuff. But man, what a what a
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  Speaker 1: great episode.
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  Speaker 3: And he looked darn you looked very handsome. You were
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  Speaker 3: easy on the eyes in that episode. Well not that
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  Speaker 3: you weren't, you know all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But that's when that's before my hair turned gray.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a few guys going into here.
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  Speaker 1: I used to have, you know, darker hairs.
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  Speaker 3: But we all did.
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  Speaker 1: But it was just such a great opening. It was
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  Speaker 1: such a great opening. All right. So now we're now
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  Speaker 1: we're in lurlized house and it's a middle of the
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  Speaker 1: nite and she comes downstairs. She's opened the windows, and
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  Speaker 1: she listens to a bunch of voicemails from Max Medina, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so she listens to these message messages underneath her
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  Speaker 1: blanket on repeat, and he how many Messages's saying, how
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  Speaker 1: many messages?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was just one, one message one?
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  Speaker 1: And she just kept there, okay, all right, and this
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  Speaker 1: is the first time. And then Rory comes down, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's what are you doing? It's it's freezing
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  Speaker 1: in here. Close the window. She goes, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: just just breathe, breathe, do you I smell snow. That's
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  Speaker 1: the first time we hear it. How iconic is this?
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  Speaker 3: It's iconic.
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  Speaker 1: This is where it happened, This is where she said it.
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  Speaker 3: Which which which is why my point is, I had
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  Speaker 3: not I did not know. I mean I always see
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  Speaker 3: associated with Gilmore girls I smell snow. I never connected.
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  Speaker 3: This was such a revelation for me.
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  Speaker 4: And I think she does say it in one or
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  Speaker 4: two other episodes too, So if you didn't know that,
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  Speaker 4: those weren't the first time, Like you don't know what
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  Speaker 4: you don't know, so you may have heard it different
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  Speaker 4: episode and thought, you know, that's that's.
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  Speaker 1: Where it started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it started in this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then lauralized says the best things happened to her
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  Speaker 1: when it snows and sensorially speaking, But Lauren Graham is
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  Speaker 1: just really putting on a show. She's putting on a
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  Speaker 1: real display of acting talent. Because I'm feeling it too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, man, I'm with you. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: that's the way I feel, and that's what you know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody in the northeastern part of
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  Speaker 1: the country feels the same way as she does, but
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  Speaker 1: I think they do in terms of their memory as
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  Speaker 1: children of their first and second and third snows in
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  Speaker 1: the magic.
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  Speaker 3: Of It, Emily hates every second of it right.
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  Speaker 1: It contrasts mother daughter. Emily hates it is hold up
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  Speaker 1: in her house. She's grouchy. They can't know. Nothing can
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  Speaker 1: function in snow, it's dangerous, the whole thing. But their
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  Speaker 1: daughter it's magic. So it really is beautiful writing and
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  Speaker 1: beautiful contrasting characters. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Actually that makes me ask the question, what is magical Emily.
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  Speaker 1: Order, power, etiquette, Yeah, well else status, but it's it
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  Speaker 1: probably isn't really it's that's not really magic, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's her magic. Yeah, I really think this is
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  Speaker 1: a you know, we're starting to see that this is
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  Speaker 1: a journey of two people and completely different you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're they're they're related by DNA, but they're nothing alike.
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  Speaker 1: But there are some similar similarities, I guess. But Laurlai
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  Speaker 1: escaped and she's she's living a beautiful life, as she said,
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  Speaker 1: she's got a great life, she's got a great kid,
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  Speaker 1: and she's living the dream. And it has nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with any anything Emily thinks or says or does.
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  Speaker 3: But you can see how Laurlai comes from Emily in
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  Speaker 3: their fierceness and.
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  Speaker 1: The absolutely yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That that that strength, uh is really beautiful And I
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  Speaker 3: do I really think that that the three generations of
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  Speaker 3: women and their strength speak volumes to just so many people,
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  Speaker 3: men and women and other alike. I mean kids in school, literally,
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  Speaker 3: kids in school. Uh and like I said, I work
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  Speaker 3: in a middle in high school. Kids in school. They
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  Speaker 3: they watch it, which is shocking to me. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they watch it with their mothers and et cetera. And
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  Speaker 3: and it speaks to them too, which is such an
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  Speaker 3: honor to be able to represent that.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing that really jumped out at me about
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  Speaker 1: this episode, and it does does this quite often as
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  Speaker 1: you as you watch it. This whole thing is set
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  Speaker 1: up in the snow globe world where nothing bad can
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  Speaker 1: happen and everything is good. Way to say, everybody's safe.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, there's so much humor to it. But these
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  Speaker 1: characters go there. They go to places that characters we're
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  Speaker 1: used to seeing in situations in towns and tonality of
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  Speaker 1: show like this don't go these characters go there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we go into the Dragonfly and Michelle's complaining about snow.
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  Speaker 1: He hates snow too. Oh, He's like Emily, how does
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  Speaker 1: he hate snow? He goes on a rant about you know,
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  Speaker 1: cannibalism and eating other people's butts to survive, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: who goes there in a family friendly I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's like couched in this family friendly thing. But the
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  Speaker 1: Palladinos are having all kinds of fun with like there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're quite extreme sense of humor, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that kind of a joke or that
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  Speaker 1: kind of dialogue does not appear in these types of shows.
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  Speaker 1: And and Laurel I goes there. I mean, they're all
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  Speaker 1: going there, you know, and Luke is going there. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: for the love of God, how many times do we
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  Speaker 1: have to hear this? You know what I mean? The
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  Speaker 1: characters go deep. I mean, they are what's the what's
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  Speaker 1: the what's their phraseology? They are one hundred percent of
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  Speaker 1: who they are, and they're not ashamed of it. And
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  Speaker 1: and Amy and Dan gave us the freedom to go there,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is why the show is so funny
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  Speaker 1: and so compelling, because it doesn't really it doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't really skew with like small town American life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't you know what I'm saying. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine a French concierge in a place that you
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  Speaker 1: would frequent at a bed and breakfast that you and
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  Speaker 1: your husband go to a year, if your year, and
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  Speaker 1: then over here the concierge, the snooty French concierge talk
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  Speaker 1: about campbalism and each other's butts, and Suki go make
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  Speaker 1: a cake where just butts. You know this kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing the humor is is is incredibly rich, it is and.
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  Speaker 3: Those two are are so richly darkly funny, uh and
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  Speaker 3: and their their knowledge of pop culture is astounding. It
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  Speaker 3: kind of makes me think. I can't remember the name
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  Speaker 3: of the episode, but the episode where they sing that
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  Speaker 3: freaking song over and over and over and over and over,
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  Speaker 3: and I know that Milo's in that episode, and I
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  Speaker 3: think his character says something like, I think we'll stop
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  Speaker 3: alay this song. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Lazy hazy crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In this small town, funky little like just and do
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about that they sing this
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  Speaker 3: lazy hazy m blah blah and it just goes right
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  Speaker 3: aund on a loop and drives the other bed crazy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we leave the dragon Fly and as
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  Speaker 1: we're leaving the kitchen, you know, Rory has come in
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  Speaker 1: to pick up the Rocky Road cookies for Dean and
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  Speaker 1: her mother, and Sukie tease the but Jesus out of her.
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  Speaker 1: The Dean and the love and the cookies and the
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  Speaker 1: Dean and the.
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  Speaker 3: Love and the cookies.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the best lines in the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is when Laurela comes up to Lane in her band
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  Speaker 1: hat and uniform and says, hello, doctor Sergeant Pepper. That
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  Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, Uh, Sergeant Pepper.
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  Speaker 3: I like it when she says, she looks at her
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  Speaker 3: and she says, wow, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're on the bench, and you know, poor
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  Speaker 1: Lane is feeling like you ain't getting the FaceTime with
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  Speaker 1: the Ory Gilmour that she used to because this new tall,
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  Speaker 1: dark drink of water from Chicago has blown in from
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  Speaker 1: the Windy City, as it were, so there they are.
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  Speaker 3: She isn't paying attention to to to Lane at all.
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  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, but she's got to understanding, Well, there's a boyfriend.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's it's youthful jealousy. It's it's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: it's perfectly understandable. And you know what, I've had the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: adults react the same way. I mean, they're no different,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and you don't grow out of that. You know, if
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you have a good friend and then somebody muscles in
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, catches your eye.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Way, I'm still here, I still have problems.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Ye, poor girl. I thought this was a great episode
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: for Keiko too, really really strong, especially that scene in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Rory's bedroom with Laura I and Lorela I mothering her
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and listening to her. I really enjoyed that scene. Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: me too.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It was great to see Lane have her own storylines
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: and sidekick.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Right, and it was really well written. And she's really good,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: isn't she. I mean you don't. You don't really see
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: her acting.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Ever, No, she's great on and offset. I've spent so
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: much time with her, you know, party are you know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Gilmore girls parties and all that stuff. And she's just
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: really true. She's very she's exactly what you expect, you
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: get what you you know, exactly what she gives. She's
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: she's really sweet person.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah she is.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: And I love that she's so funny and vulnerable in
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: that giant hat. Just the hair Okay, well we're not
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: that's the hair yet.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, So now she feels alienated and we get to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the scene where it's nighttime. They're outside of styles Hollow
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: High school. Band practice is over or maybe it's just
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: beginning on it. No, it's over, and there's a there's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: rich was it bloom? Bloomenthal, Blumenfeld, blooming Felt and no
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: bloom Blumenfelt, and she she runs her fingers through his hair,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: his unsuspecting head, and the look he gives her.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Oh on fire. She's like, he's like what, like.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Like what was that? And then she just runs away.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean it was really funny. Oh, it's really funny.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That was excruciating to watch. Yeah, ever, oh I know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and then she just books it out of there as
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: soon as possible.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: All right, Susanne, you want to take take it from here.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: The scene ends with her running away, and then I
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: think it goes to back to Richard Emily's house, right,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and that's where Emily's on the phone with the chef
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: and the chef can't come, and so Emily's like, oh
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: my gosh, we're gonna what are we going to do
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: now there's no one to cook for us, and uh,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: they find the frozen pizza.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: In the freezer.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And I really liked the part at Richard and Emily's house.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: The several scenes connected because we really got to see
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: with the parmesan cheese and all that, we got to
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: see Emily getting.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: A glimpse of uh what Emily what?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Laura?
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I and Rory's life is like like and she really
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: likes the parmesan on the pizza, and so.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: She's having this realization that hey, maybe their.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Life isn't all that bad, even though it's not what
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I wanted them to be doing.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: So I liked those scenes.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Pick it up and eat it, you know, Okay, it's because.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: They're like using their knife and fork, and Rory's like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: just pick it up and eat it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And then I think, Rory, which is so funny. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: forgot that pagers even existed. Rory. Lane goes to Rory's
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: house pages Pages Rory, Rory cllls her why didn't Lane
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: go home?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: The pager thing? Just on one comment.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I watched this episode last night with my husband, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: my husband's.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Like, well, how did how did Rory know that Lane
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: was at her house? And I said, because of the pager.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: You put your number in where the person's gonna call
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: you back, and so she put in their house number
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and that's how she knew where she was. But I
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: had the same question, like, isn't missus Kim wondering where
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Lane is this whole time, Like there's there's a snowstorm,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: and wouldn't she be concerned that her daughter wasn't at home.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think paid. The pager is something that missus
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Kim gave to Lane to so she could page for
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: all the time. I found that a little confusing and weird.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: No, it was Rory's pager, so Lane used the phone.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Rory has a pager.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Rory has a pager.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Probably Emily gave it to her.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is two thousand, No, I know.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Don't know when I had a cell phone for the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: first time. But it wasn't in two thousand. I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: it was after that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: They do start using flip phones soon after that in
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: the show. But yeah, I'm not sure why. As a
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: high schooler Rory had a pager.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I remember having one when we were on set, at
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: least in those first two years or so. Oh my
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: pager went off a bitter gool, They're looking for me.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: But that was funny anyway. So so so, then so
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: this culminates into them having that moment with the high
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: school like photo album, and and then Lore lies in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that dress her coming out party or something that she
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: eventually didn't make it too. Weirdly, it looked like a
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: wedding dress to me too, and I guess she didn't
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: go to the coming out party. And then that shuts
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that down because I guess she was pregnant, and that's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: sort of like what the whole scene was about, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: suppose correct.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was definitely the implication.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: That was the mood killer of the evening.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was a very stark scene. Yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: very really beautifully acted by all. Yeah, but they were funny.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I mean it was really funny. Richard's funny. He looks
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: so young, didn't he?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same thing.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't he look so young?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And I love the first shot of him. You don't
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: even see him, you just see the whole the whole
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: screen is taken up by the newspaper and then he
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: lowers it and there he is.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it really just just great stuff.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are what great writing? You know?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: What I struggled with during that scene is is how
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: both Emily and Richard are so I guess shaken by
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the whole idea that Laura I never went to her
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: coming out hard because she was pregnant. But then Rory
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: is sitting right there. As a result of this pregnant,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: you know, this mistake that she made, and so that
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: scene pulled me in two different directions. One like, Okay, well, yes, she,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you know, made a mistake, but this is a result
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: of this, this beautiful mistake. Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But I think I think that's one of the central
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: themes of this episode and of this show is you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we see everybody in their pain, dealing with their pain
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and their anxiety and doing it in a really funny way.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And you know, there again we have the Palladinos, you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: giving depth and and and so many layers to these
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: characters because everybody's going through their pain and their frustration
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and it's entertaining to watch.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And they were talking also in the scene about Emily's sister,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: so we got a little of Emily's background, and she
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: seemed to like really miss her sister and so she
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: was kind of in her feels a little bit, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: so we were really kind of seeing their vulnerability there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: But the beautiful part of it is is when they
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: actually get to that picture of Lorella in her dress,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and it all just stops and you can really see
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: their pain and you can really and you know, you
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: really feel for them because that's their daughter, and they
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: had you know, whether they were you know, completely out
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of touch with their daughter or just sort of fifty
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: percent out of touch with their daughter, whatever percentage it was,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they still love her and they loved her back then,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and that's their baby that they raise, and she was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: going to have her debutante ball and they were going
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to have their life the way they wanted it, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: they wanted the best for their daughter. You know, judge
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: them all you want now, but back then they really had.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: They were being you know, what they thought were great
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: loving parents with their only child and spoil her rotten obviously,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: because that's what you do with your only child. They
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: can hold the attention. And she was fierce and smart
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and you know, headed for greatness, you know, yeah, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a great life, and it all just got derailed and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you just you could really feel the pain coming out
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of those two and you could hear the breaks, the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: screech of the breaks put on everybody's lives in that moment.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing I love about the writing on
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: this show is you don't know when it's coming. Yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, boom, a huge moment
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: is revealed and it's just they're so good at this.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: They're so good at this. They really do surprise you,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: both on the humor side and the drama side. You know, God,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I love this show. This I gotta say this is
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna say it right now. So far,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of every episode besides the pilot that I've seen of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: this show, this is my favorite episode because it's it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's beginning to really mature now, right the look of it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: The characters are so definitive together.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: You really know, you're getting to know as a viewer,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: you're really getting to know them and to understand the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: whole spectrum of each and every one and how they
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: all kind of come together as a as a sort
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: of a family truly, like Kirk and you know, just everybody.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I So, then we go to So then after that
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: we go to Lorelai and she's you know, she's wandering
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: around and she bumps into Luke and and he asks
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: her to, you know, come on in. I think he
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: softens up there, and then she chooses to wander around
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: and then she just miraculously bumps into Maxi Mendino, whose
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: car just you know, comes off the side of the road.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You know just what concidence.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: There were a couple characteristics of this scene that I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: found both distracting and very interesting, and I think it worked. Okay,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is that all of these Snow scenes were looped. We
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: had the adr every single line of every single scene.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But it didn't take me out of the show. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: No, I couldn't tell at all.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Because because oh god, yeah, oh yeah, it was looped.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: And the scene between those two and Luke expressing his
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: negativist as extraordinary negativism about the season and about Snow
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and about anything related to it. I don't know, what
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: did you think of that? It's odd? He's an odd guy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think of this guy? If you met
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a guy like this and he was talking to you
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: in this way about reenactors, about Snow, about this, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the guy hates everything.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on how long I've known him. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I think we all know people who have
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: a fairly negative outlook on life and and just kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of try to pick everything apart. But if upon first
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: meeting him, I think I'd probably walk away.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But if Okay, Shelley Shelley, Shelley Shelley as an actor. Yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: as an actor, maybe maybe I could have done that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: dialogue better. Maybe that was a quicker scene, hence the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: humor of it, because then he asked her for a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: cup of coffee to come on in the dinamy, because
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that what he was saying there, that's Luke's game. Like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: is that your game? Bro's a good question.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Would you do anything differently?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I think I would. I think I would clip the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: dialogue much faster, okay, and much lighter, and not lean
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: into it so much so that the joke could work,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: because I don't think the joke really worked. I kind
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: of made it dramatic. So I made a choice not
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to go for the humor but go for the drama
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of the relationship. And I remember the conversation I have
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: with the director now and he said, well, you know
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the style of show blah blah blah, And I said
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: something to him like, you know what, for me, it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: about the relationship and that he couldn't possibly be in
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a nervous or light hearted mood when he's in her
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: presence because she makes him nervous and when he gets
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that way, he loses energy. Right, So that's how I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: justified it to the director. All right, okay, it would
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: work either way, I think, but that's just kind of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: how I did it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I okay, all right, fair enough, but I'm going to
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: know I do. I know what you mean, but I am.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: If it were me, I would leave it as it
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: is because it helps us learn who Luke is, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: it takes us on that journey through I mean, Luke
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: goes on a massive journey throughout the course of this life,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and a massive journey. I mean, you see Luke disgruntled,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: but you also get to see and know the beauty
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: that the humanity that Luke really you know, the man
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that he really is. And I wouldn't change it for me.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't change it because I think that it
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: speaks to you know, like Scrooge. We get to know
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: who Scrooge is. I think that Luke's got a lot
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: of Scrooge in in a lot of ways. But I
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: think that it enables us to go on the journey
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with him of truth, like of healing, of falling in love,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: of being. That's my opinion.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just a big wounded puppy and flannel in
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a backwards hat.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I think he is a wounded puppy, But I think
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: he becomes a real strong man, right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I think I think he has one part of his
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: life where you know, he's solid with and he knows
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: who he is. But on the romantic side, I think
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: he's really really injured struggling. Yeah, injured struggling right.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Right, He's definitely got a wall built around him that
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: is impenetrable, and we don't know why that is, but
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: we start to see in this episode, we start to
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: get a little bit of that. Like, he clearly has
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: some unresolved issues from his past, and so we get
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: to kind of see some of that vulnerability because this
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: whole reenactment thing is clearly triggering to him in some way.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: And so I think this really kind of shows, like
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you said, Shelley, his humanity and because I don't know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: we've just seen him as kind of this curmudgeonly guy
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: who's just always in a bad mood, and now we
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: see a little bit of background.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, Scott, I don't think that that moment that I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: mentioned at the very start, that moment when he sees
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: her and Max, I don't think that that the beauty
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: of that moment would have landed as hard if we
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen him as curmudgeonly as he was before, And
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I think that lended itself to really making that moment beautiful.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: No, I mean that's that's that's how that's how I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: would communicate it to directors. That was always my vision
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: for the character.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh man, okay, where are we?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: You know, all of these characters take you to uncomfortable
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: places at times. Yeah, but I don't think anybody did
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it better than Lauren. You know now she did, didn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: she do it with such grace and ease? You know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: it would change she was She was required to change
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: courses so quickly, so many times within like thirty second period,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: marvelous to watch. And she really loves She's falling in
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: love with Max Medeena. She really likes that guy. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: those two are good together. Yeah, they are good together.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: They fit, don't they?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do, but until they don't, I mean yeah, but.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it really seems like this is going to happen,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and she's just I mean, look, her perfect night is snow.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: He shows up and right, it's almost like fate.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: They want us to feel like this is fate, that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Luke is not the fate he could be, but Max
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Medeena is the fate.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Well, so I wanted to mention and I thought about
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: this last night while I was watching her and both
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: her with Luke and with max X and she Lauren
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: had done so many pilots and et cetera, et cetera
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: before the show, and this is the one that landed
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: because I feel like all of the stuff that she
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: had done before, she wasn't coming across as like sexy
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and you know, that sexy female lead and this in
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: this show. And I think this is one of the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: reasons why the show really hit and why her career
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: took off, was because in this show she is sexy
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and she's a woman, and she's so beautiful and attractive.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: And I think that she brought that because I remember
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: watching those shows before, you know, and then they none
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: of them would ever take off, And in this one,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: her sexiness and her appeal took off. Yeah, but we
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: everyone knows she's going to end up with Luke. Everyone
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: just knows it from that moment he looks across the
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: snow at her. From that moment we know.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: That was That was a very heavy movie moment.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: That's movie magically the best moment of the show for sure, and.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That moment, man, Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And you played it so brilliantly, so beautifully.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I've been that guy, I mean a couple of times,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: so I know what that feels like. It's bad. I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: remember once in high school that happened and I took
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a very long walk in a rainstorm to try to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: get over it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful and you'll never forget it. I don't think
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: we ever forget those moments where just our heart is
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: just stabbed. Yeah, but to me falling down the stairs.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So we're jumping around a little bit. We're not really
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: going chronological. But so we did the Friday night dinner.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: We did the frozen pizza, you know, Rory Rory kind
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of introducing these very high falutin society people with a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: little frozen pizza, right, and it's like, you know, welcome
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to my world. Guys. It's not so bad. And maybe
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: really the pizza for me was Lorelei and their frozen
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: relationship with her that froze sixteen years ago, and let's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: thaw out that relationship and go ahead and let's you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I want to be gross about it, but let's eat it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: That's a good one though.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Right, But it's like, hey, my mom, we used to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: be your daughter. Who you're so disappointed in? This stuff's good.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: This is how we live. You eat it now. It's mana.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So Richard and Emily are the parmesan and ror Free
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: is the greater. She's the facilitator between the pizza and
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the parmesan.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I mean even to the point where where that Rory
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: did such a good sales pitch that she got Emily
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to go give a sales pitch to Richard.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you must try to get it.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what it just it was a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: beautiful moment. It was just a really beautiful moment that
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that Rory opened Emily's eyes a little bit about who
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: her mother was, you know, you know, and really really
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: in a subliminal way, and but you know, very effective. Okay,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: more snow. So this is this is I think we
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: talked about this, but it's a very touching scene. It's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: really an iconic scene. It was a ton of snow.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Luke walks out, he sees the reenactors are freezing their
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: butts off. He takes some coffee out to them. Uh,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: he hands he has a little struggle with Harry. Harry
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to take one the the mayor, David Huddleston,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and he finally gives me. He says, my dad would
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: have taken one. Now we show how these people used
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to respect his father.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And he took It makes me want to meet Luke's father.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, yeah, but you know we don't
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: need to. No, it ain't my show, it's her show.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: That's Lauren's show. Yeah, you know, that's we meet their parents.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can get too into the weeds
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: on well. Look, I think they balance that very well.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And to keep the audience on it asking those questions
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I think is also great writing. It's what you don't
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: write as well. Yeah, that's kind of brilliant. And then
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Kirk orders to tea with lemon and here
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: comes here comes the Palladino of humor again and a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: couple of guys wanted hot coke and looks like, oh okay, yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I can go get you.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: It looks like okay, sure.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It turns into a very friendly situation all the way.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So he goes from screaming at the mayor about why
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: are we doing this junk every year? To out there,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you know, just being friends. Yeah, so it's the season
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to come together as a community and sort of forgive
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and forget and all that stuff, and then the bad
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and it all comes to.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think we see Luke after that moment, correct, I.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Think you're right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think you're right again. What you don't see? Great writing? Yeah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: he served his purpose. The character we used to its
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: explicit purpose for this portion of the story telling. We
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: don't need him anymore now we have these other stories
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to tell. It's like we told this story for this
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: episode perfect economy. Character is perfect. All right, next morning
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: we got problems. Well, we have a problem Max days overnight.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, before the morning after, the night before. I think
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: we touched on a little bit that scene with Lane
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: and Laurel I.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: In Rory's bedroom.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: It's just it was just so good, Like Laura I
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: is just giving her such good advice, you know, like
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: this is just a practice humiliation for all the humiliation
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that's going to happen to.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You as an adult.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Like it just was such a nice moment and not
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: something that Lane would have gotten from her own life.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: No, Laane needs to have Lane needs to be mothered
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: like that sometimes and be told everything is going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: be okay. I think if she had told her mom
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: what happened. A first of all, he's this Jewish kid
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, he's not Korean. And secondly, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: think her mom would have just shamed her.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I can hear her saying, why are you touching boys?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: You know, I could totally hear that response for touching boys?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So I love that moment. That was really
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: great for Lane. Got to go to sleep, yeah, yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: But overall, it was really a joy to see laurle
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I not mixed up in too many controversies during this episode.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, she kind of she kind of surfed and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: sailed through this episode pretty much unscathed.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Right, she was definitely floating above everybody else.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I think she was right. She was like floating on
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the snow throughout the whole episode, taking it in. Her
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: mood was elevated. She was loving life. This is just
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful thing to see because we're also used
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to seeing her, you know, arguing with her mother, having
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: conflict here and arguing with it, and you know, it's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: all over the place, and that's what she does so well.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But it was so nice to just see her go
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: through the episode and love it, enjoy it. Yeah, and yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: nothing was going to bring.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: It down to see her just really her life and
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: enjoy Max. And when she when when you know, when
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Rory comes home, I.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Think, what a bonehead? Right, it's like how about this?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: But but it was really a funny scene at the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: door when she like runs out like I gotta tell
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you something.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I just want to tell you you're English teachers in here.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Then she backs into the house real so she goes, well, yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: well anyway, so that's it was really brilliant And yeah,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation and uncomfortable conversation she's in the kitchen
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: with but Rory, you know, that's a tough that's a
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: tough thing to deal with.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, having seen that little picture that.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Of Christopher Morelo from eighty three, nineteen eighty.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, I don't think that she had seen that
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: picture before.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: No, she found it and she put in her pocket
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and it just makes she feel for her so much.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: She mean, you know, it's like, what happened? Where's my daddy? Yeah?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: You know, why is any around? More like what's going on?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: She's sort of used to it, but she doesn't want
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to be used to it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and like her face at the very end,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: like you couldn't you could tell she was kind of torn.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: She's like, Okay, my mom's happy, but like.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Where does this leave me? Like this is my teach teature.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: This is kind of weird.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: It's not my dad, you know, it's just you know,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: she just was in a lot of different places. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I think Alexis really played that that very last shot
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: very well.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But it's the beauty of the writing because you would
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: have to say, as appealing as Laural I is, as
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: appealing as Lauren Graham is, right, you give them a flaw,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You give them a couple flaws, and it makes the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: human right. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Right. If
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: she was perfect, perfect, perfect all the time, would we
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: not be oh so bored with these episodes because there
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be anything happening.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Because of these flaws. You know, this breeds all of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: these wacky situations that are so you know, they're inappropriate. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: but it's TV, so we suspend our you know, our
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: judgment a little bit, especially second time around.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: But there's so far I really think that apart from Luke,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I think that Max is my favorite one fellow for
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: her right. I lovely to watch them fall in love
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: and sad.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I think if Luke could no longer represent the United
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: States as you know, mister America, I think that Max
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Medina would be a wonderful replacement.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: But it's super bittersweet too because we know that she's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: not going to end up with him forever. I mean
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I know that from the you know, we just know
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: that he's a he's he's a you know, a page
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: holder and until she gets to, you know, finally end
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: up with Luke. But it's my he's my favorite of
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: all of her page holders or placeholders, whatever that term is.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: You know, he's my favorite. That's why it's bittersweet to
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: watch them fall in love because it's beautiful, and then
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: we also know that he's not going to stick around.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get an audience to buy in to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: any kind of a relationship, you know, but you know,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: this show makes you buy into the potentially the Luke
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: thing that gets you looking ahead for that uh and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: now they have you buying into something that's happening right now,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: which feels very organic and very real. Uh and kind
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: of perfect, right yeah, and it's and it had to
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: be that way. The stakes have to be really high
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: for Luke and Lorelei. There has to be a worthy challenge. Sure, yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Otherwise where's the tension, you know, where's where's the competition.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: There's got to be some serious competition in this guy's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: serious competition.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I would say with the with the with the viewers,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I would say that Christopher is pretty pretty popular and
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, but but for sure Max is my
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: favorite besides Luke.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: You think Christopher is popular? Now he's hated? Oh god, yeah, well.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Not the actor but the but the character.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Is he really the characters loathed and despised? Uh yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: A lot of people don't like the deadbeat badness.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, they don't like it.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: So they mean like Luke, or they mean like Lorelei
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and Chris as a couple.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But right there is a faction that does like that
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: as a couple because.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: They want and like, why would you want to be
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: with a man that treated your daughter like that?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: So that that the Christopher relationship, the Christopher relationship throughout
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the series only serves to frustrate the audience, so they
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: do it intentionally to the audience. They piss everybody off,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: so it pushes so their their desire for a Luke
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: LORELEI interesting.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I know, I remember when they were casting that was
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: not well said?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Was its great? You know you didn't hit the quite
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the bulls eye? We know what you mean.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: But I remember when they were casting that character of Christopher.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Do you know you probably know this. I know that
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: originally I think Amy really wanted Robert Downey Jr. To
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: play that role. What, Yeah, I remember this very clearly.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: What Yes, I did not hear this.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I really be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I remember that name being floated around and her really
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: wanting to cast him as the ideal like Dad. I mean,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: obviously that didn't work out, and it wouldn't have worked
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: out because of the you know, the long term, you know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: arc of the character.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: But I remember that Robert Downey Jr.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: As Christopher, Yes, I was. I need to fact check,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: but I'm almost positive that I remember that correctly.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Who was who was the character? Wait a minute, I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: could see him as who was the guy who was
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: who started a business with Richard? What was that character's named? Digger. Yeah,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I could see Robert Downey Jr. Digger right maybe, I mean,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it wasn't was it was in
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: two thousand? Was it was Robert Downey Junior, a big
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: movie star at that point. He was, wasn't he was?
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: He? I don't think that he was iron Man then, No,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: but he was. He'd done Adeal maybe and.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: He was the name for sure, for sure?
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: But was he? But yeah, because everybody was switching over
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: to doing TV, all the film guys were, yeah, we're
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: going over to TV.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: They started positive.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I'm remembering this really, yes, I'm almost positive. Okay, just
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: well we had well, while we're on it, boyfriends my
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: least favorite of all time boyfriend that Laura I ever had.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I don't remember his name. Great story, shall we? I
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: can't remember his name?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: But how about his her date with Rune. You couldn't
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: consider him a boyfriend though?
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, she actually dated this Glics the coffee guy. No, no, no, sorry,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I can't remember that. My phones out there so I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: can't look it up. Anyway, he was my least favorite.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: He was, well, describe him.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: He just he's just kind of like styles.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: He's just kind of it's it's not Jason Styles. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: think it actually is. It's not. I can't, I can't
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: finish this. But John Hamm, No, it's not John Hamm.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I think John Hamm is outstanding looking. You're right, it is.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: It's Chris EigerMan.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Is that is that Jason Styles? Who's Digger?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Digger.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know who Digger is, but whose Digger Styles?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: That was his nickname. Okay, so it's all all in
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Oh my lord, we've brought all these puzzle pieces to Yes,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: he is the one that really really irked me as
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: far as boyfriend.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He's the one that had the fancy condo, but his
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: kitchen was in his floyer.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: It was weird, yes, and he just.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Had no game whatsoever, none, zero. So he was my
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: last favorite of all.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Now we know, take a towel off man. Well, all right,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: so Shelley, thanks so much. We're going to wrap it
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: up here.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: It was a pleasure than you. That was.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: That was an action packed hour right there.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. We talked a lot. We had metaphors,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: We talked about.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: All kinds of things. There was allegories, metaphors, narratives and
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: universal themes mixed in with a lot of snow. Really
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: so far, gotta say, besides a pilot that's always going
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to be my favorite, this is my favorite episode besides
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the pilot. What, Susanne, what do you think? You've seen
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: them all multiple times? How does this rate? This episode?
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I do love this episode.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: That moment where Luke sees Lorelei and Max together, it
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: just that just gets me every single time.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: It's moment.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I think it's a great episode. It moves the story along,
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: it establishes the characters relationships to each other. It's just
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: it's foundational.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, great word, it definitely is, you know, a foundational show.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: That's where I started to fall in love with Luke
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: m Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a great episode they wrote
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: for me? Well, they didn't write it for me, but
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: they wrote it. Well, maybe they do the character. I
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: wrote it for the character. But anyway, so thank you
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: for that, thank you for the episode, and I appreciate it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Shall we have your time and all the best, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's always a blast talking to you, And keep your
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: tips up when you're scanning, and.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: You'll find me in the in the the lobby of
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: the hotel, having.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: A you know, yeah, all right, well you know, same
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: as a seat because we'll be coming in from the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: slopes anyway. Thank you, Susanne, thank you, Shelley, thank you.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: That's going to wrap it up here. Best fans on
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the planet Earth, thank you so much. And remember where
• 54:44
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• 55:15
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