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#1623 Raw Dogging (The Other Kind) - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I got you, Bloody Champs, Craig Anthey Arpatifany and good Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: James Manela. It's the You Project, It's the tech show.
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  Speaker 1: It's a once a fortnite bloody extravaganza of let's be honest,
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  Speaker 1: mainly bullshit with a bit of technology thrown in. Speaking
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  Speaker 1: of bullshit, Hi Patrick, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's just the epic.
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  Speaker 1: I love you, I love you. You're loved. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Well? You know you're saying I'm loved, but I'm not
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  Speaker 2: feeling that.
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  Speaker 1: Well. It's the I don't know, it's the dysfunctional Australian
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  Speaker 1: male way. You know. If I love you, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to tell you, or if I'm going to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to put your funck with on the end
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  Speaker 1: of it, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, and punch me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and punch you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I can't just
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  Speaker 1: look at you and go, Patrick, I love you, because
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  Speaker 1: that that is way too weird, probably even for you,
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  Speaker 1: who's a little bit more evolved than me. Okay a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably even weird for you. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: love you, mate. That's all right, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I love you too, Craigo, And if I love you too,
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  Speaker 2: and please don't punch me.
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  Speaker 3: I was just about the same. My love language is
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  Speaker 3: a left hook.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, That's right, That.
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  Speaker 1: Is funny. What is your love language speaking? And let's
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  Speaker 1: just get this out of the way. So if you
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  Speaker 1: the four of you don't know, is it not Gary Gray?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? John Gray?
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  Speaker 3: John Gray's Gary?
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  Speaker 1: Some just just gone blame anyway, the Five Love Languages?
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  Speaker 2: John, Can I just clarify something you just said, the
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  Speaker 2: four of you? Who's the other person out in three
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  Speaker 2: of us?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, no, I was going to say, the four
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  Speaker 1: of you who haven't heard of that book, The Five
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  Speaker 1: Love Languages?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, because.
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  Speaker 1: I've spoken about it quite a bit. But anyway, the
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  Speaker 1: five love languages, physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm what is it? What is the gifts? And acts
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  Speaker 1: of service? Thank you? Patrick? And yeah, what's yours? Mate?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what when you are expressing love or you want
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  Speaker 1: to show someone that you love them, what do you?
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  Speaker 1: And I guess it depends whether or not it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: like family or friend or someone or something a bit
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  Speaker 1: more intimate, But what's your what's your kind of how
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  Speaker 1: do you show people that you love them or care
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  Speaker 1: about them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm big into hugs. Yeah, you both have been recipients.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I've been to see a movie with you
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  Speaker 1: and pretty much we held hands the whole time. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know there were moments where we didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that time where you were holding my cocky and when
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  Speaker 1: it got scary. But you can't say that, can't take
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  Speaker 1: that out. Tip, take it out, take it out and
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  Speaker 1: job in the cinema hashtag coming soon what I know,
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  Speaker 1: and by coming I mean movie stop it wow, straight
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  Speaker 1: in we've just what has been banned from Hoyts.
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  Speaker 2: He calls it cooits.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, So it took us thirteen seconds to get here.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize, no wonder no one listens to this episode.
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  Speaker 1: There's three sick fucks and go this is this whole
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  Speaker 1: technology thing. It's a ruse. There's nothing, there's nothing going
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  Speaker 1: on here, nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 2: Fans of the podcast realm, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. And Tiff, what about so Patrick's physical touch
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone that doesn't despite all the bullshit,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't have to mean anything sexual. It's just off
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  Speaker 1: in a hug or or you know, a tap on
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  Speaker 1: the back or a little bit of a quick sideways
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  Speaker 1: squeeze or something. What about you?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry? What is his think that sounds creepy? What from
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  Speaker 2: a hut to a bit of a sideways grope?
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  Speaker 1: I said squeeze, I did not say grope. Sorry, call Tiff.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm a bit.
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  Speaker 5: Words of affirmation, you know what? You know what's interesting?
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  Speaker 5: I look at how I behave with my animals bother them.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that's because I reckon. I reckon. Your
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  Speaker 1: love language is context a pennant, like because yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: you don't open the door that wide with humans, but
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  Speaker 1: animals you're like it's a free for all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like sometimes I think if I was someone's girlfriend, the
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  Speaker 5: way I behave with my dogs, i'd have the restraining
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  Speaker 5: order to put on me.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, and I know this is like cliche,
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  Speaker 1: but like you know that like even cats, like animals
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  Speaker 1: don't lie, like they might hate you or love you,
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  Speaker 1: but you're going to know they might want affection or not,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not pretending, you know, And even if they
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  Speaker 1: want food, they're you know, they're very clear about what
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  Speaker 1: they want. You know, there's you don't have to read
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  Speaker 1: between the lines like you do with humans. There's no
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  Speaker 1: persona and person.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a bit of a chuckle to myself because
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  Speaker 2: whilst we've been talking, my dog has walked into the
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  Speaker 2: little studio and pressed his head up against my hand,
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  Speaker 2: and now I'm just padding him. Fritz. What we're talking,
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  Speaker 2: he knows, which is why I'm leading to one side.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not having a stroke or anything, but like he's
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  Speaker 2: having anyway, Leave it there.
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  Speaker 1: Gary Chapman, his name is fucking hell. Why did I
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  Speaker 1: blank on that?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of dogs and animals, Patrick, I see on your
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  Speaker 1: little chat list that we want to open. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much this is tech, but it is psychology,
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  Speaker 1: so I do love it, and it does involve dogs,
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  Speaker 1: so we all love it. I think you know. I
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  Speaker 1: had to tell you. I don't think this is new research,
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  Speaker 1: but I love the research.
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  Speaker 2: It's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell us about why having a dog could
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  Speaker 1: be good for your health.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, they did it. The research specifically looked at
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  Speaker 2: how we interact with dogs but also cats, and what
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  Speaker 2: they tried to do was typify a dog owner and
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  Speaker 2: a cat owner. Now you fall smack bang in the middle. Tip,
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  Speaker 2: But it's interestingly before Craig jumped into the call. You
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  Speaker 2: were actually you were bitching about your stand up desks.
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  Speaker 2: What did your cat do?
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  Speaker 3: What did a cat do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Why doesn't your desk work anymore? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, she chewed the fucking cord that makes
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  Speaker 5: it go up and down.
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  Speaker 2: So cat owners have a higher tendency towards anxiety and
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  Speaker 2: they're more neurotic than dog owners. I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, how I wonder is that just is that a
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  Speaker 1: byproduct of owning a cat? Or is that just that
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  Speaker 1: eurotic anxious people choose cats because cats are neurotic and anxious.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good point. Well, look, this was only
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  Speaker 2: a survey of three hundred and twenty one people and
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  Speaker 2: it was done at James Cook University and right here
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  Speaker 2: at Australia. But the reason for it was it was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people got a lot of consolation during
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  Speaker 2: COVID lockdown by having pets, and it seemed that people
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  Speaker 2: who had dogs got through it and were more resilient,
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  Speaker 2: particularly if they were confined, and so that helped a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's showing. What did your cat? Oh did they
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  Speaker 2: knock over the mug and break it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the last mug that she's broke, she's break.
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  Speaker 5: She's gotten rid of thirty on indoor plants in the
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  Speaker 5: two years I've had her, and all of the ornaments
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  Speaker 5: have been broken.
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  Speaker 3: And about three mugs.
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  Speaker 2: Are you really anxious right now that your cat could
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  Speaker 2: be doing something while you're stuck here the podcast?
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  Speaker 5: I'm feeling like I'm not sure what my love language
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  Speaker 5: is anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you keep buying indoor plans if you know
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  Speaker 1: that their time is nine? No?
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  Speaker 5: No, now I've got now I have artificial ones? Wow, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: which she still causes chaos with.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the value of just is it just
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  Speaker 1: an aesthetic thing?
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  Speaker 3: Or do you like an aesthetic thing? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And so all those ones I can see over your
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  Speaker 1: left shoulder, there's about five. Are they fake?
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  Speaker 5: Two of them are real? There's two that she hasn't
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  Speaker 5: messed with. The other twenty eight odd They made their
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  Speaker 5: way outside and eventually passed away.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick. I don't want to throw an emotional spanner in
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  Speaker 1: the works, but like we've been through this with Tiff,
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  Speaker 1: where you know, one of the puppies died way way
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  Speaker 1: way before she should have. How old is Fritz now?
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  Speaker 2: It's that to ton nine on the first of so
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  Speaker 2: we'll know he's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to live to twenty five, so let's not worry.
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  Speaker 1: But when he does turn twenty five and goes to
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  Speaker 1: that big fucking kennel in the sky, are you going
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  Speaker 1: to get another one?
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  Speaker 2: I will be an emotional mess for quite a while.
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  Speaker 2: My previous give you a bit of a snapshot. I've
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  Speaker 2: only ever had two dogs, and my previous dog died
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  Speaker 2: suddenly at the pet rumors, So it was quite a shock.
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  Speaker 1: What.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was totally bereft. I was a blubbering idiot.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I really struggled when I lost my first dog.
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  Speaker 2: And to give you an idea of how bad it was.
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  Speaker 2: For the next month after that, I'd go walking in
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  Speaker 2: the morning with his ashes in my backpack because I
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  Speaker 2: just felt I still wanted to walk him.
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  Speaker 1: No, my god, that's the saddest thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just they are. That was the interesting thing.
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  Speaker 2: People with dogs during COVID were less lonely, you know,
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  Speaker 2: having a dog and that connection, you know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting I'm sitting here right now patting him. I
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  Speaker 2: think for people, particularly older people or people who live alone,
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  Speaker 2: it's great to have that company, to have that animal
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  Speaker 2: next to you to talk to, to play with, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and also the sense of reliance. I kind of like that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, caring and talking about love languages. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you look after an animal. I've always felt and I've
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  Speaker 2: always said that I'm not a pet owner. I feel
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  Speaker 2: that I'm entrusted to look after the animal as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to owning the animal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't like owner, Like it
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  Speaker 1: kind of infers that the animal is a commodity or
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  Speaker 1: a product, you know, an item to be owned. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that language either, because I don't think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we can own animals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like I understand the language, but to me, it's the
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  Speaker 1: wrong language.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly why I never say I own Fritz.
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  Speaker 2: I'm entrusted with him. And it's great. I think that
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  Speaker 2: if you haven't had a dog and you have an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to babysit one's it's a lot of fun and
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  Speaker 2: when you connect and if you're the same, I know
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  Speaker 2: how much you love your dog and your cat on
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  Speaker 2: some level. Hey, if you had to choose which one,
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  Speaker 2: would you choose the dog the cat?
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  Speaker 3: By choose, there's no choosing.
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  Speaker 1: You can't ask it.
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  Speaker 2: You can't ask it.
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  Speaker 1: You can't ask I don't want to open the pain
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  Speaker 1: door any wider than it's been opened, but fuck it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing it on behalf of the curious listeners. You're welcome, listeners, Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: How does somebody send their dog to the groomers and
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  Speaker 1: the dog not come back as much or as little
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  Speaker 1: as you want to share? And if that is zero,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, But I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 2: What happened was Look, we think it may have been
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  Speaker 2: a heart condition, you know, and the diet stressed when
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  Speaker 2: they were being groomed. So but yeah, it was just
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  Speaker 2: pretty awful. And look, the groomer was bereft as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't just me. I mean, obviously they
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  Speaker 2: didn't plan for that to happen, says he who got
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  Speaker 2: there and started giving his dog mouth resuscitation. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I know how to give CPI had a dog and
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  Speaker 2: not a human.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the worst skill to have. It's pretty
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  Speaker 1: transferable too. So just think of the next person that's
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  Speaker 1: lifeless as a big dog, and you'll be fine to.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hand over their mouth and breathe into their nose.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you could even do that. You could do that.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's not the preferred.
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  Speaker 4: Model or operating system, but well, right, can we can
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  Speaker 4: we talk about something more uplifting because everybody's reaching for
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  Speaker 4: the fucking tissues and some anti depressing at the minute.
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  Speaker 2: Can we Yeah, okay, here's a good one. How do
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  Speaker 2: you want to feel like you're living a fuller, longer
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  Speaker 2: enriched life.
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  Speaker 1: We all do, right, Yes, I would think nobody's going
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  Speaker 1: to say no to.
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  Speaker 2: That, Isn't it interesting? Do you remember when you were
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  Speaker 2: in primary school how school holidays went for a million years,
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  Speaker 2: and when you're younger, everything takes longer. Everything felt like
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  Speaker 2: it went for an eternity. School went for an eternity,
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  Speaker 2: and then you went home, and then it was an eternity,
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  Speaker 2: and then you went back to school again in the home.
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  Speaker 2: So it's an interesting I guess psychological aspect to our
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  Speaker 2: perception of who we are and what we do is
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  Speaker 2: that the way we perceive the movement of time so constant,
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  Speaker 2: and we experience it in the same way. Every minute
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  Speaker 2: lasts the same for me and for you and for Tiff. However,
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  Speaker 2: depending on what we're doing, that can change dramatically and
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  Speaker 2: a good example is if you go the same place
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  Speaker 2: to the same location for the first time you go there,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like it takes a long time. Then as
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  Speaker 2: you become more familiar with the route that you're taking,
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  Speaker 2: it seems to take less time. The more familiarity, we're
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  Speaker 2: not taking in new information. So if you want to
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  Speaker 2: as you get older, you know, we say it all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Gosh, you know, time flies, you know suddenly
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  Speaker 2: you know you're sixty seven years old and every day
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  Speaker 2: is a blink. But what it's thought is the way
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  Speaker 2: to enhance your life. If you want to feel like
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  Speaker 2: you're living a longer life, start doing newer things, learn
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  Speaker 2: newer things, and not to be anything drastic. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you could join my taichi class. No, but if you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, anything new that you do takes more
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  Speaker 2: mental focus. As a consequence, it's from a perception perspective,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like it's taking longer, and so holding on
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  Speaker 2: to a thought. You may be in meditation, you might
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  Speaker 2: be praying, or you could be out learning a new skill.
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  Speaker 2: You could be doing pottery, whatever it happens to be.
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  Speaker 2: But doing new things can be really beneficial, and it
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  Speaker 2: might be going a different way for your walk in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, and suddenly you're seeing new things, taking notice
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  Speaker 2: of new things, new flowers, new hills, you know, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it happens to be. So it's just an interesting little
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  Speaker 2: exercise that we can all do, and it's not expensive
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't take a lot of energy. It just
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  Speaker 2: is about shifting the way that we think about what
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  Speaker 2: we're doing to try to make our life, according to neuroscience,
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  Speaker 2: more fuller.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. And also there's the that actually makes
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  Speaker 1: sense and I haven't really thought of that, but I've
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  Speaker 1: always been fascinated with the constant that is time versus
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  Speaker 1: our perception and our individual experience of that constant, because
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  Speaker 1: you're right, like, if you're in the middle of something
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  Speaker 1: fucking horrible, five minutes seems like five hours, and if
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  Speaker 1: you're in a complete state of flow and maybe euphoria,
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  Speaker 1: an hour can seem like three or four minutes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because that's the way that we process it. But I
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  Speaker 1: think also when you're doing new things, apart from that
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  Speaker 1: kind of different perception of time, you know, you're having
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  Speaker 1: a new experience, like you're learning something and you may
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  Speaker 1: be opening the door to you know, a different set
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  Speaker 1: of you know, or a different lot of biochemistry happening
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  Speaker 1: in the brain because you're you're tapping into new things.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I like it. It makes sense too. But
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  Speaker 1: also think about this. When you're four, like twelve months
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  Speaker 1: is twenty five percent of your life, but when you're sixty,
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  Speaker 1: like me, it's not even two percent, you know, So
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  Speaker 1: there is that that relative to the age of the
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  Speaker 1: individual kind of factor as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well. What are the things you can think if you're
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  Speaker 2: brushing your teeth and you have to use your non
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  Speaker 2: dominant hand because you're focusing so much harder, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to take a lot longer, doesn't it. Yes, yes, you
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  Speaker 2: know those neural pathways of focus and attention. It's actually
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  Speaker 2: an interesting thing to do. I always take my tell
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  Speaker 2: my tie cheese students to brush their teeth standing on
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  Speaker 2: one foot and that way. It's a good thing for
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  Speaker 2: core stability, and also because they're moving their hands up
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  Speaker 2: and down, you're getting those micro movements and you're having
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  Speaker 2: to readjust your balance constantly. It's just so simple. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take much at all, but you turn something really
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  Speaker 2: mundane into something you've got to focus on a lot more.
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  Speaker 1: Now I do the same thing I used to tell
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  Speaker 1: people to dry the dishes on one foot, so and
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  Speaker 1: that's same thing. You've got to reach over, grab the thing,
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  Speaker 1: grab the bowl, grab your tea towel, drive, put it
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  Speaker 1: on the bench. Reach. Yeah. Yeah, doing old things in
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  Speaker 1: new ways is a great way to keep young and
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  Speaker 1: to keep your body and your brain kind of evolving
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  Speaker 1: because you're not doing you're not stuck in groundtog day
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of mindset or behavior or action. Taking.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, across the road from your place that you go
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to a lot, Well, instead of walking across the road,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: walk around the block the opposite way.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Hm hmm.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you say that. I typically have been
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: running two or three k's three times a week, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I do the same course, and I started doing a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: different course. I enjoy it so much more. Like every
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: time I just go somewhere different now, which is to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your point, And I didn't even think about it. I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: just thought, I'm just going to I'm sick of this
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: particular route because I know exactly how long it is,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: so when I get to certain points, I know what
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: time I should be at because I'm not competitive at all.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And then but now just going in different spaces and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: places and directions every time I actually am having more fun.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Did the stalking charges help make you change your route
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: as well?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean sure, I mean there's that, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: also the divvy van that follows me as I run,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: which I mean that's a little disconcerting, but don't say that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: People think you serious. All right, tell us about wherever
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you want to go. I'm not at the Tetris effect.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: What is the Tetris effect? I love Tetris, by the.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Way, on me too. Tetris is one of the best
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: games ever because it is so mentally challenging. The Tetris effect.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It was discovered or if you play a game of
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Tetris for quite a lengthy amount of time and then
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: you go to bed, it was found that some people
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: who are gamers were visualizing subconsciously the Tetris effect, So
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the Tetris blocks turning around. So people know what tetrises.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming people know Tetris.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I would think half doo and half days.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: So it's like all it is is basically a screen
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: where you've got colored blocks that are falling down and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: you have to rearrange the blocks so that they stack
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a long row. And then if you complete a row,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the road then disappears, So you can belong the game
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: by doing that. Is that kind of makes sense?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I wouldn't think of Yeah yeah, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listening to this who's twenty five
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: or thirty even or younger, they're definitely not saying Tetris
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: is awesome. They're going, you are such a fucking granddad,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Tetris is awesome. It's like going, oh, have you seen
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: table tennis? Fucking hell, it's the next big thing.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, oh yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: We weren't playing it in the eighties, which is forty
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: years ago, Grandpa, it was a long time, agodly groundbreaking.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: What about tetris though? That's big? No, it's not.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So. This researcher a govern the number Robert stick Gold.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: He that's not a real name name, not a.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Real name, that's a pseudonym. He named Brian mcgilla cuddy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So what he realized was he named the phenomenon after
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the puzzle because this usually happens when you're doing repetitive
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: tasks just prior to going to sleep. But there actually
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: is a positive flow and effect from this, because what
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: they're talking about doing is using this tetris effect people
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: with PTSD. So people who have trouble sleeping, they want
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to do is they try to get the to play
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the game when they're recalling whatever the trauma happens to be,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and it reworks the memory and write is it rewrites
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to the mental hard drive. And they're saying it can
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: help lessen the impact of the memory when used in
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: conjunction with playing a video game like this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: That is really interesting. We call that that you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: when there's a stimulus, like you think about like that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: neuro association, that thought has a neurological kind of consequence
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in the body and where that that trauma? Yeah, that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's clever. That's clever, Like I have this neuro association.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Did you ever eat that that meat? What was it called? That?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Like lunch meat? It was called no, not spam. It
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: was you know in those big tubes that your mum
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: used to slice. Oh my god, not salami, No, not salami,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: no salamis. It was like I forget.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It was very the meat products for crying out.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, but you haven't always been a vegan. You
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: used to eat fucking charred animal flesh. Don't don't pretend
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you grew up eating carrots. Anyway, I ate some of
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: this sandwich meat. Essentially it is just shit. And I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: got violently ill. I got food poisoning, and I used
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to love it, and then I got food poisoning. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: then even now the if you gave me, if you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just put that in front of me, I start to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: dry reach and that was I was so ill.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And it was.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Because of that stuff. And every time I would spew,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I could taste it, and oh my god. Yeah, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that's forty years later and I still can't even think
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Well, talking about processed meat, I did actually try a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: thing called tongue and versed once, what do you reckon
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: toungu in verst is?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I think it is a German product involving tongue.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Correct, And it's basically sliced tongue, and the slices of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the show the shape of the tongue.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my old man. Mild Man's like that, mild man,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: He'll it fucking everything that you don't want it, like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: tongue off lanes, like liver. I know people are going
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to go live. It's amazing live, Its fucking horrible.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: The reason life sounds like awful.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Oh it is, it is, all right, So tell me
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: about screen fatigue, because I feel like this might be
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: something to which I'm susceptible. And everyone really.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Well, after the show today, I've got an eye appointment
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to get an eye check up, so I haven't got
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: glasses yet, and every time I go for one of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: my annual checkup, I think high end. It's now, isn't it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's got to be now glasses anyway. So screen fatigue,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it's something that's becoming more prevalent. And so there are
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a number of different dangers associated with screen fatigue, and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I say dangers with an emphasis on well I came
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: quite so dangerous. But there are some problems that you
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: can you can you know you can have. And one
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of the little rules that you can try to remember
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: this is from the American Optometric Association Optometric Optometric. I guess,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: so let's go optometric. I think it sounds good anyway.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: They advise what they call the twenty twenty twenty rule. Okay,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so every twenty minutes, look at something twenty feet away
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for at least twenty seconds.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, that's that's good advice. It is like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: look at something in the distance is like, look at
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the horizon, there's another one they go which you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: however far that is for you.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I've set up my desk specifically so that the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: windows on the side and I can look down the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: driveway well as I can see people coming up and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: down the driveway. V It means I do have a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: long distance viewable angle. Because if you're looking at a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: screen for a long time, what it can do is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: it causes dry eyes and irritation. So that's the prolonged time.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It means that we don't actually blink as much when
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: we look at screen. Yeah, this is typically blinking it
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: like millions miles an hour. So that then causes dry
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: eyes and irritation. So when we look at us, it's interesting,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: isn't it that we we are subconsciously not blinking as
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: much when we look at it a screen. It's so
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: so weet.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I've got a trick a hack. What if we had
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a huge screen, but we put it twenty feet away,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: so we're always looking at something twenty feet away. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I that seemed like what seemed like the advice is,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, looking at something twenty feet away is good
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for our eyes. What if our screen was twenty feet Well,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: we have like one hundred inch TV and that became your.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Screens in a house that big.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Patrick does does close every twenty minutes. Look at something close?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Can I here's the pause button for a moment. Now
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you sent I think you sent Tiff as well? You
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: sent me and Tiff well you sent me? Did he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: send them to you? Those photos tif?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yes? Yeh.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So some were a bunch of flowers and outdoor beautiful things,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: but one was a big room, empty looking room. I'm
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: assuming that's the new chie study. Yeah, yeah, so finished.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you for.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Those who haven't been listening, you're turning your garage what
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is a large garage because you're rich into a tai
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: chi to studio. Yes, I can say that ten times fast.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And it looks good. It looks good. What's the update?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Where are you at? Oh?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: This has been an exciting thing for me. I haven't
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: really done much in the way of Renault's before, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I've got a really great builder, and so it's a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: massive garage. It's like nine meters by five meters. It's enormous.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: You could fit three four cars in it easily. More
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of course, but the idea being is that because I
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: do teach tai chi, but if I want to do
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: one on one or small sessions, it's kind of expensive
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to hire out a location to do at a hall
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: or something like that. And you know, I was one
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of those people that I just stored crap in my garage.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It's very cathartic throwing things away. I had two skips
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: so far, and I've got another skip coming soon to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: throw more stuff away coming soon.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Do you not have any shit that you can give
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to people? Like good shit?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: You know I've given away some stuff. Yes, No, I certainly.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to give away a beautiful art deco wardrobe,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: but people don't want wardrobes anymore.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: No, I think it might be that wardrobe.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, so anyway, in answer to your question the paint.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that art deco and beautiful go
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: in the same sentence, do they?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: My whole house is art deco decorate, We're not the.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Whole rest my case.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I'm going to restind my invitation.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: With ha ha oh. No, I love your house and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you I've never even seen it, but he's answering your question. Sorry, oh, man, jeez,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I'm an only child. I have a predisposition for interruption.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: You do. So the painting has been done, very excited,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and then the plumber is due next week and the electrician,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: so I wanted to get the painting done before that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and then it'll be all good to go.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: What's on the floor, what's going to be?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I've just put green tongue on the floor at the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: moment because I've kind of run out of money. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: if you're not familiar with green tongue, it's kind of
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a it's it's the like chipboard, so maybe enemy to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: thick chipboard that links together. But the green tongue as
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: opposed to the I think orange tongue is more it's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: more water resistant. So I've just locked that down on
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the concrete.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And is it b yo matts?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, we don't do You don't use mats for
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: ti chi. You just do it in soft shoes like
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: runners and that sort of stuff.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Really, don't you ever get on your back or anything?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: No? Ti chee is a slow moving martial art form,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: so I guess only if you fall down.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Well, in my version of tie chi, we do it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: on our back, so you clearly haven't evolved. So if
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you want to do what I like to call a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: supine tichi, just hit me up.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: There are different forms of tie chief for people who
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: are incapacitated, So if they're in a wheelchair or whatever,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: they can do the upper body parts of the tie
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: chi movement I'm beating is now, by the way, increased
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: stress and anxiety is also something that's associated with looking
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: at screens and talking to Craig Harper.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And imagine if you're talking to Craig Arper on a screen,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's like the fucking double banger, absolutely double wordy.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: That's funny al right now on Long twenty twenty twenty, Craigo.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Okay twenty twenty twenty, Yes exactly.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Hey have you heard of a new term called raw dogging.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a new term, Patrick. I think
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that's an old term, and I think it refers to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: sexual relations without appropriate protection. That is exactly what it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: referring to.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Not now, not by the funky cool trendy YouTubers.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: M see, I don't know those of us who are
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: older than twenty raw dogging is. My mum was against it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Choose to say to me if it's not on, it's
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: not on. And I'd say yes, mum, but get out
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of the room though, and and what are you doing
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: with the handicam? Go away? Ah? Fuck, I see this
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: is a problem.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: If it's not on, it's not on.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not on, it's not on. This is what
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: happens when you do sixteen hundred podcasts and you're in
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of pain. Which we won't open the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: door on that, but you need to know what I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: talking about. I've had some drugs this morning. I'm in pain,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: so I'm not responsible for what comes out of my mouth.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It just occurred to me, Tiff, that if you come
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: from a one child family, whereas I'm from a four
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: child family, I've got a twenty five percent less chance
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: of someone walking in on me.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, statistically, that was That was the big fear of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: my teenageers.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Your parents.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you don't want that, do you. That's the no.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about. Isn't it funny
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: how everyone's creeped out by that thought. I don't even
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: want to say the thought, but you know you can.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You know, Mum and dad. You don't want to think
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: about that, do you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, sorry to all the parents.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Sorry, what did you just say before tiff distracted us?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: What raw dogging?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah? What is what is the the contemporary equivalent of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: raw dogging?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't look at the screen because I'm tear
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it up, tear it up so muchses. By the end
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of this, raw dogging is now a term.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: He stop saying raw dogging.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to roar dog into India.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Ah God, next month. I'll tell you what I don't think.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think you want to raw dog in general.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: But no, it doesn't matter. Dirty on harps, fucking get
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: your filter and click. It's back on, Patrick and go.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like I need to a polish Can you edit.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Out everything up until now? Please? Hi everyone, Welcome to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the show. Patrick, great to see you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think you should edit any of this out.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Just make him suffer through it. No, okay. So raw
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: dogging is a new term where someone gets onto a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: plane and they go into a state of almost trance
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like state and they do nothing. They don't eat, they
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: don't drink, they don't read anything, they don't listen to anything.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I don't watch anything. It's become this trendy thing. A
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: guy what the name of a Damien Bailey who's a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: big insta person, reckons he achieved his personal best at
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: thirteen and a half hour flight between Shanghai and Dallas
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: without any inflight entertainment, films, books, or music. So it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: generally blokes. Of course, it's going to be blokes who
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: do this, and they're the alpha male types. So the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: three of us, it's going to be you, I.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Reckon TIFF's more of an alpha male than both of us.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But also like there's all these monks that have been
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: living in caves just living on fucking oxygen for thirty
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: years who are like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Ah, so what they're not on a plane at a
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: high altitude in potential DVT cross So wow, So.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: What is what's the what's the outcome or what's the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: intended outcome? Like just that they're going through this, like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this momentary kind of scarcity of technology or food or
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: water or stimulation or something.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It's a challenge. I guess they're challenging themselves to be
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in the moment to focus on you know, that particular duration.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And one guy did a fifteen hour flight to Melbourne.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy. An Australian music producer by the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: name of Torron Foot.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is a name I have heard of this,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was called raw dogging, but also
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: hashtag don't pick the middle seat or there's going to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: be no fucking raw dogging. You're going to be constantly
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: shuffling your knees side ways while Brian with the tiny
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: bladder is stepping over the top of you.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what was interesting though is people have been
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: posting responses to it, and one medical expert said, they're idiots.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That was the great they're idiots. Well, because you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: it's not a good thing. Some people are going without
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: food and water as well, and when, of course you're
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: on a long haul flight, they say hydration is important.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And if you're not hydrated and you don't move around,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: do you increase some really serious health risks?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Well, if you're getting dehydrated, your blood's getting
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: thicker because you're sweating, and obviously blah blah blah. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I would think the well that I would think I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: could almost guarantee the risk of deep vein thrombosis as
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you alluded to, Patrick, or stroke or heart attack because
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the higher the level of viscosity of your blood, or
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in other words, the thicker it is and the less
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: volume you have, the more risk you are. So I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: would think, at the very least, drink some waterer. Do
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: everything else but drink some water.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that a business psychologist says, oh, it's probably
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a good thing. You know, people can be quietly reflecting.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But it's the medical people I think I would be
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: listening to, not the business psychologists.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I also think, I don't mean, that's not poopoing your
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: story because it's quirky and it's interesting, which is what
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: we like. But how the fuck is this news? Like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: how's somebody sitting on a plane not drinking? Like? How
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: is that with all the shit that's going on in
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what. These are famous TikTokers and famous people,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: all stars, and young people will copy them. That's the problem,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: because people copy them. It's like planking. Remember when planking
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: was really big and people fell off buildings and stuff.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It happens, So yeah, influences people to do stupid things.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I know in Russia they have signs on train crossings
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: telling people not to take selfies on the train tracks
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: because people get run over by trains taking selfies.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think if you were that young, your
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ears would be better than that. You would think that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you should hear that shit coming.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You would. You would've probably got, you know, headphones on
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: or something. All right, plow on, plow on. I saw
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a really interesting article in The Verge. It's a I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: listened to the I'll watch the Verge. Read the Verge anyway,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Ellison Johnson, I quite like it stuff. She was talking
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: about a new feature on the Google Pixel nine phone.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It's just about to come out. So there has been
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: a feature. And this is why I sent you some
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: photos this morning. You're probably wondering why. I say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I did see like nature photos which were quite pretty.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I took them yesterday in the last twenty four hours.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I just took a selection of photos whilst I was
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: out walking. At one point I drove tobacco smash and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I stopped outside a canola field and took some really
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: gorgeous photos of the canola. We all not know those
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: big fields of canola with the white glowy the yellow
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: kind of glow to them when the sun's setting. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Google's Pixel phones and a lot of the new phones
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: now have things called magic eraser tools. But the next
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: level up from that is now you can place objects
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: into the scene. So not only can you take people
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: out of the scene, but one of the photos I've
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: seen she was the Canola shot with a shadow of me,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: and then a photo of the same shot with the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: shadow removed, so you can it's an you know, I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: didn't like the shadow, but in some ways the shadow
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: is not bad.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That's you can see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I just used the magic eraser to get rid of
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the shadow. It took me maybe three or four seconds.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: That is amazing, isn't it. So if you've got like
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: an old photo with a couple of mates but one
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of them to fuck with and you on him out, yep,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you can get rid of the fuck with and just
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: have you and your mates and go. This was us
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and six at the races.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: But you're changing history and get rid of Jason Nay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: History remains the same, it's just the record of it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: it changes.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is the concern is when we're introducing
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: these tools, what does it mean about the art of photography.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: If I said to you, if I if I said,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Tam and Square think of an image related to conflict,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and Square, yeah, what we.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: All think of that young that poor young girl running
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: in front of the tank, which was fucking one of
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the most tragic.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And it was a guy. But yeah, that's was it?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: A boy?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: A guy? Yep, a student standing in front of the tank.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Resistant No, no, no, no, there's another photo of a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: young naked child running.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And yes, that's the napalm girl. That's from Vietnam.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh that's Vietnam, is it?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: But again, there's two iconic visions. One is the student
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: standing in front of the tank in front of Townerman
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Square ones the naked girl running away from napalm as
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: an explosion goes off in the background, you know, the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: American flag being lifted, you know, the soldiers holding the flag.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: So when we think of these snapshots of history and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: then we can so easily change them, what does it
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: do to our perception of what the past is when
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you can change it so readily and make it look
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: so real. And that's the concern now, that it's so
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: easy using these AI tools to change what we would
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: think of as a snapshot in time as reality, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: so people are concerned about this, and it was just
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: interested about this article. It was, you know, because you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: can now take a standard streetscape and you could put
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a smoking wreck of a burnt out car there. You know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that's the concern that you could then post it as
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: fake news. There was an article recently, I think it
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: was during the American campaign that's on at the moment.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: It might have been related to Biden. I think that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: an American telco was fined a million dollars for running
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: an ad where they had a depiction of Joe Biden
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and it was not actually him and it wasn't endorsing
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the product. So it's so easy to do that now.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: But this is everywhere now, I mean, this is every
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Rogan has his voice because there's so
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: much of his face and his image, his body is
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you know, video audio. He's been used like constantly by
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: companies making ads where TIFFs just made something with Okay,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that's funny, Tiff, she just did a.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Photo of you and I on screen with the ponetograph
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I took yesterday.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: So I just pushed the profile picture from both of
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: your facebooks onto the photo you were describing to the
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: audience like you were there together having assentide.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Can you send that to me right now? Which is
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: not good for the audience for me, But yeah, I'm
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: with you, Patrick, But this is the door that we've opened, right,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, now, how do you It doesn't change history,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: because history is history, but it changes what we think
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: perhaps history was, you know, and I guess this is
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: about you know, it's like when, if what was it?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: If you're go into chat GPT and you say, what
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: happened on whatever the day Donald Trump got shot? We've
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: spoken about this once, but what happened on this date
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania or whatever it was? And it says there
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: was an event, a former there was a shooting, a
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: former president was injured, but no one else was hurt.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't say that, you know, a fire a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: fireman was killed, other people were injured, and Donald Trump
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: got shot. It doesn't it because for whatever reason, it's
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: been programmed to be you know, pro certain things and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: anti other things. So getting absolute objective data whether or
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: not we like that or don't like that or agree
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: with that, this is becoming a slipperer and slipprier landscape
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: because we don't know what is real because fiction is
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: being presented as fact from a range of kind of directions,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's hard. It's hard when you don't know
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the truth and then you look something up, like I'm
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: constantly sent things by people like thirty times a day.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: The crab is usually ten of them, by the way,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: but people sending me research in inverted commas, and some
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of them like, fuck, that's amazing. Then I go and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I look for the paper and the paper doesn't exist.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: That is not real research, you know, like it didn't
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: this paper, this alleged paper, it's not real. It's a fraud.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: There's not actually. But you can make things look like
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: science really easily now, and you can make things look
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like historical events. As you're alluding to, what do you
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: think that what do you think that's going to look
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: like in five or ten years? Do you think we're
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: just not going to know what is real and what
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: is not? It's a frightening thought. I think that's a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really good question that we all should be asking at
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the moment. You know, how do we spot a fake?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: How do we spot a deep fake? How do we
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: spot fake news?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's an answer at the moment,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: because technology is leap frogging legislation. You know, technology is
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: out there. Google's putting out their new phone and it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: using it's turned its magic erase button in to reimagine,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: so reimagine the scene so that you can place objects
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in there. So suddenly, you know, someone meditating is now
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: going to bond next to them. You know, yeah, hi,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: You could yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But it's seamless. You know what would have taken somebody
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: who was a real adept at photoshop. Well, that that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: photograph that I sent you of the canola field. There
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: was grass on the side of the road. It was
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: dried yellow grass. But if I was to have photoshopped that,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I would have meticulously made sure the grass, the movement
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of the grass was matched in me that I was
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: trying to remove the shadow from. But with that AI tool,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: it did it in seconds. Yes, he did in a
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: lot of ways. But you know, and then again, the
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: other thing is I prefer the photo with my shadow
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: in it because it shows a shadow of me holding
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: a camera taking over the canola field. So the shadow
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: says a lot about what time of day it was,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: where I was. I was by the side of the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: road taking a photo over a fence at a really
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: beautiful scene. So I've lost something in that image by
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: being the shadow of me, I've removed me from the image.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Now. I watched an ap so the other night of Insight,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: do you watch that? I feel like you'd be interested
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: in that. Anyway, they were talking about the education system
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and they had students and they had professors, and they
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: had lecturers and they're just talking about the good and
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: bad and they had like current undergrad students and postgrad students,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like young people, and they set up people cheating using
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: chat GPT and they all said yes. And one girl
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: who wasn't identified as in they didn't show her face,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you could just see her from the back. She's like, essentially,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I'm doing my degree using chat GPT. We're talking about
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: undergrad but still it's like it's it's I think that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: one of the things that's going to happen unless we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: figure out a solution or an antidote, is that the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: value of some tertiary qualifications is going to be severely downgraded,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: because you know, people are getting qualifications that they didn't earn,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and that's you know, as the technology gets better and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it's harder and harder to figure out who wrote or
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: didn't write what. You know. Yeah, it's a very slippery
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: slope that we're on. And I don't know that. You know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: there are pros and cons, but I reckon the cons
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: are as you know, as significant and numerous as the
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: as the pros.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: It is a challenge for educators and also I guess
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for employers. If someone's presenting a region may with documentation
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to say that they've passed a degree or whatever, or
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: if someone standing above a table with a scalpel in.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: There, yeah, think about that. Fuck that. Oh yeah, but
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of yeah you would. Yeah, Like a
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: few people have said, do I use chat Jo Patti,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And I really can't. There's a few things where I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: could maybe go, here's my intro, could you rewrite it?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: But because of my research is original, it has to be,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you know. But I think there are certain things. But
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I think also, you know, somebody who's writing an application
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: for a job, you can write it and then throw
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it into chat GPT and I'll churn out a slightly
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: more polished version. I think that's a great application, you know.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And and the sad thing is that some jobs like copywriting,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they're probably to an extent going to become redundant because
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: it chat GPT can do as good or better writing
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: than the average punter.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: What about using if you ever used grammarly?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: No, but I know I know what it is.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what it does. It's not just
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: a spell checker. It's more of a phraseology checker. So
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: if you write a sentence, it will say, well, this
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: is not the best grammar you know, why don't you
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: rewrite it a certain way? And I mean in a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: lot of ways. Then does that then stop or cease
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: being your original work, because making mistakes is part of
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the learning process.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and no, I mean with something like grammar,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: where it's just making something be more grammatically correct or
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: something perhaps flow a little better, but it's essentially your
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: words and ideas. I think that's a valuable tool. But
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: you know what, in twenty years, like who knows, who knows?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: If people like I doubt we're going to be writing
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: on paper with pens in twenty years.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I doubt that they, Hey, I will be I use
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a fountain pen.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I hope. So, but I don't think the majority, In fact,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to be typing, because it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: going to be it's all going to be audio. What
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: do you call it? Where you just talk and it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: types as you go dictation like those no you know
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: where you can talk into your phone and it just types.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Is that? What's Isn't there a more fancy name than
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: yeah whatever? That you know where? And that's becoming so
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: good where you think, why the fuck would I be
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: punching all these keys when I can talk and it
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: types for me.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I want thought to text, I don't even want to talk.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you just took up with Elon Musk. I think
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: that's get yourself a neural link. We've spoken about that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more, Champion. Let's bring home
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: this fucking train wreck of an episode with a little
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: bit of gusto.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Oh really, I was going to give some people we're
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: talking about, you.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Know, whatever you want, whatever you want.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking of some positive things about AI
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and a feature that's built into Google Maps. Particularly in
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the States, people are getting worried that those Google street
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: view photos are how criminals can case out your house
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: to see we've got cameras, or to see whether you're
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: living a nice suburb and they can look at your
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: backyard and all that sort of stuff. But you can
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: actually request now to have your house blurred in Google Maps.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: There is one caveat Once it's blurred, it's blurred for good.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: So what you do is you just basically go to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: your property. You've got to prove that it's yours. You don't,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't arbitrarily choose your place and suddenly
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: blur it out. But basically go to Wogle Maps and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: you select the reporter problem. It's in the upper left
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: corner of the screen, and then you've got to answer
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of questions and submit the request, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: then what it will do is it will blur the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: photo of your property. So if people are concerned about that,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: So that's another really cool because you've probably noticed in
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Google Maps too that all the number plates are blurred out.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: You know that's not done by you know, some pers
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: sitting there using a magic eraser tool. That's done by
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: AI to do that, and also blurs out faces. You
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: don't normally get close up shots of people's faces in
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that Google mapping software either.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Well maybe the guy who lives I'm not even going
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: to say where you live. But the guy who lives
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: in rural Victoria and leaves his doors unlocked when he
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: goes out, maybe he should rethink that. Yeah, maybe maybe
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Are there many? Are there many crooks
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: where you live? I wouldn't think they're too much tied
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: love and hugs and muny beans.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Aren't they know what happens is people. We've had some
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: instances of a few break ins recently. To be honest,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't be telling people how to leave my
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: door open all the time.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, we'll definitely die. We'll definitely start locking it.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: No, I lock it when I look. I do lock
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: it if I'm going away for any length of time.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: But if I'm just going down the street to the
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: post office in the door?
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Patrick, how do people what is your home address?
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: By the way, And failing that, how can people follow
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you online or connect with you online?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Did you go to websites now, dot com dot au?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: You could kind of stalk me there. You can see
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: what I look like and then decide that you might
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: want to call me and have a chat. Wow wow, Well, actually,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: you know, it is one of the things I really
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: love about what I do is working with smaller business people,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you know, because what.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: About big business people like you know, people over six foot.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeahle raw dogging because that's what they do with
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: their males like you.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: No, I told you Tif's more alpha male than me.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, go on. I'm just going to say, do
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: you find though, because I know you get a lot
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: of joy and TIF You're the same with your PT
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: stuff because it's one on one as opposed to doing
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: a presentation to a room of fifty or one hundred people.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: There's something really not intimate but kind of uplifting about
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: being able to work with someone one to one. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, anyway, but I know I enjoy that.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I enjoy that. This is a terrible segue, but it's
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: kind of in line with that. I just launched a
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: new mentorship, which I've never done, for fifteen people ten weeks.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And it's just like, because I do a lot of
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: stuff with big audiences, and I'm quite excited about working
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: with only fifteen people and you know, for me is
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: a small group and it's two and a half months,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: so it's an extended period of time and I'm quite
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: interested to see how that's going to go. You know
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: because it gives everyone an opportunity every session to talk
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and ask questions. You're not just one block of nine
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: hundred blocks on a range of zoom screens.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: You know, so well, they need a five minute tai
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: chi kind of you know, workout session.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I reckon we should No, I really do think we
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: should do something. We should do a are you project?
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Patrick collab.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: On zoom sounds good. Yeah, you can count me on
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Hm hm hmm. I wonder how that would have to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: be live. I guess we could do it live with
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: whoever wants to do it live, record it. We probably
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: should talk about this off the show a bit. Fuck it,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: let's have a staff meeting. Look at Tiff. What is
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Tiff looking at? What are you looking at? Down there?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Got cat hair stuff under the bottom of itself.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: She spent ninety percent of the phone looking at I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: looking down What are you doing down there? That's got
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: your attention?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Oh god, oh wow, it's like the belly button fluff.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible way to end a podcast. Patrick, just
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: tell people your web address again.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Place websites now dot com, dot au because no one
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: can spell genesis effects.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be our last episode of this everyone,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so I hope you enjoyed them all. It's been great.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks team, Thanks to the two people who kept listening.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Oh god, it's just descending, isn't it. It is what
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: we do. It's devolving, it's evolving. It's the opposite of AI. Yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it's the antithesis of what is happening.