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LAPD Pulling Over Fewer Drivers | ‘Tech Tuesday’ with Mike Dobuski · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 1: AM 640, Bill Handel here. Good morning. It is the
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  Speaker 1: first day of September. It is a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: And the weather is... Are we waiting for a tropical depression, Amy?
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  Speaker 3: So there's a storm that's brewing. out off of Baja
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been outside yet today. Is it pretty Schvitz-y
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  Speaker 1: out there?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's beautiful today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. But not a Schvitz! Okay. So it's not Schvitz-a-roni,
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  Speaker 2: the San Francisco treat. Okay. Moving on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the United States, well, let me put it
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  Speaker 1: even more specific. California and the federal government, read Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: are on a personal vendetta. The president is on a
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  Speaker 1: vendetta against the state in general and Gavin Newsom specifically.
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  Speaker 2: And the same thing goes the other way.
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  Speaker 1: So California lawmakers passed some laws, which, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: president is not going to be thrilled about. and it
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  Speaker 1: puts restrictions on hiring former ICE agents and a ban
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  Speaker 1: on electric shock gloves, those two different issues, which I'll
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  Speaker 1: break down. So we start with banning federal immigration agents,
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  Speaker 1: ICE agents, from being hired for local and state government jobs.
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  Speaker 1: And this is two bills among a whole slate of
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  Speaker 1: legislation approved by the legislature, California legislature, which is a super.
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  Speaker 2: Majority of Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: And not very happy with the tactics used by ICE
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  Speaker 1: agents like arresting undocumented immigrants who appear at courthouses for
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  Speaker 1: scheduled immigration hearings. Now, they are going, these are people for,
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  Speaker 1: in many ways, in many reasons, have declared, have asked
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  Speaker 1: for asylum, which is legal, have been granted a hearing,
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  Speaker 1: which means they are legal to stay in the United
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  Speaker 1: States pending the hearing. They are going to court based
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  Speaker 1: on the date that was mandated, and they're being arrested.
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  Speaker 2: At the courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not thrilled with the influx of illegal aliens here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not particularly pro-undocumented. But, man, this one, to me,
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  Speaker 1: crosses a line. So the state says you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Whether they can or not, you know that's up in
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  Speaker 1: the air. The assembly member, Mark Gonzalez, who was the
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  Speaker 1: author of the bill, says we have the fourth largest
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  Speaker 1: economy in the world because of our immigrant and undocumented community.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting statement.
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  Speaker 1: We have the fourth largest economy because undocumented community is
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  Speaker 1: part of it, maybe. So he authored the bill to
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  Speaker 1: prohibit agents and contractors involved in immigration enforcement from being
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  Speaker 1: employed in the future. State, city, county, school district, public entities.
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  Speaker 1: There is an exception for cops who are accepted by
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  Speaker 1: the police agency and take the state's basic police training course.
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  Speaker 1: But It's going to be on a case-by-case basis.
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  Speaker 2: How could you do that? I don't know. How could
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  Speaker 2: you say? You can say that.
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  Speaker 1: You can say the state will not hire former ICE agents.
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  Speaker 1: You can do that all day long.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. The state can determine who gets hired and
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't. Now, whether ICE agents can arrest people is
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  Speaker 1: a different matter. That is a federal versus state. But
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  Speaker 1: the state can say, you can't get hired. We're not
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  Speaker 1: interested in hiring you.
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  Speaker 2: That happens all day long.
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  Speaker 4: But you're no longer an ICE agent.
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  Speaker 1: But they're saying former ICE agents. Also, during the course
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  Speaker 1: of being an ICE agent, you can't get hired. But
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  Speaker 1: they can say, if you have a certain background, we're
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  Speaker 1: not interested in having you there. but on a case-by-case basis.
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  Speaker 1: What they're saying is not across the board. So that one,
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  Speaker 1: I think, is going to fly. The one that I
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  Speaker 1: think is, well, certainly the most in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: way people are viewing this thing is that the federal
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement officers will be banned from using electric shot
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  Speaker 1: gloves until 2030. That one I don't know about. How
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  Speaker 1: the state can ban the feds from using these gloves.
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  Speaker 2: They're basically taser gloves, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: And the State Department of Justice is going to be
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  Speaker 1: required to study their safety under a bill that was
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  Speaker 1: passed yesterday, last-minute legislation. Now, that one is interesting because
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  Speaker 1: these gloves, I don't know if you've seen video, man,
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  Speaker 1: they just knock people to the ground. They're effectively tasers.
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  Speaker 1: And tasers don't work all of the time. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of clothing, for example, on, you can
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  Speaker 1: stop a taser. And some people are just not affected
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  Speaker 1: by tasers. particularly people that are on PCP.
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  Speaker 2: That are, you know, their adrenaline is going. They can
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  Speaker 2: go right through it.
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  Speaker 4: I was tased on the air live by our old
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  Speaker 4: security guard.
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  Speaker 2: And how was it, Sam?
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  Speaker 4: Did you hit the— Well, it wasn't great, but I stood.
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  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, they had a couple— Some
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  Speaker 4: people hit the ground. It took a couple times to
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  Speaker 4: get them down. Yeah, you've seen those gloves. And, man,
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  Speaker 4: the argument is they're safer than being shot.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 1: Also, it's—I find these— first of all, they're a couple thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: They're not cheap. But the feds have ordered, what, several
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  Speaker 1: thousand of them. I think they're $ 2, 400 apiece. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you've noticed, but they're being sold by
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  Speaker 1: sex stores all over the state. Because let me tell you,
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  Speaker 1: the electricity cursing through your body, man, does that work.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Why don't we leave it at that? Unintended consequences.
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  Speaker 1: How many times have I told you about bills that
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  Speaker 1: are passed that have unintended consequences? Okay, moving on, a
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  Speaker 1: story I want to share with you about traffic deaths
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  Speaker 1: on the rise in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 2: So why is the LAPD pulling over fewer drivers?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the number of Angelenos who die in traffic crashes
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  Speaker 1: now outpaces those killed by homicide.
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  Speaker 2: It's reversed.
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  Speaker 1: And vehicle stops by the cops have plummeted by 57%.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, basically half. And efforts to address the issue
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  Speaker 1: by the city include speed cameras and narrow, quote, self-enforcing roads,
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  Speaker 1: speed bumps. And just we have I have a narrow
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  Speaker 1: enforcing road right near my house where two lanes go
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  Speaker 1: into one.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to a traffic jam.
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  Speaker 1: So some stats I want to throw at you and
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  Speaker 1: then maybe some reasons to that all of this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: From 2016 to 2023, the annual traffic death, the toll
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  Speaker 1: rose 29%.
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  Speaker 2: So it's up a third.
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  Speaker 1: Pedestrian deaths jumped about 54%.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot. And so what's happening? Well, right now,
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  Speaker 1: the city is rolling out 125 speed cameras in school zones.
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  Speaker 1: known street racing corridors, places where speeding.
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  Speaker 2: Has contributed to a very high rate of collisions.
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  Speaker 1: And those people that say, oh, we shouldn't have those
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  Speaker 1: speed cameras because civil libertarians are going, oh, we don't
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  Speaker 1: want the government involved in knowing who you are. I
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  Speaker 1: have no problem with that at all. I'm fine with
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  Speaker 1: the government knowing where your car is.
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  Speaker 2: Being driven.
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  Speaker 1: It may be kind of embarrassing when you're off to
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  Speaker 1: the girlfriend's house when you're married, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: This catches bad guys. And the LAPD squad cars posted
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  Speaker 1: outside the library every day.
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  Speaker 2: But the argument.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the cops rarely do anything about drivers who
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  Speaker 1: come at speed off the exit ramps, for example, on
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  Speaker 1: the 170 freeway just up the road here. And complaints
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  Speaker 1: are being echoed like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Historically, L.A. has relied. Now, here's where it gets where
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  Speaker 2: we're getting into it.
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  Speaker 1: Has relied on police stops to produce road safety. And
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  Speaker 1: public pressure in recent years have compelled city leaders to think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whether we should do that or not. And
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  Speaker 1: what are the negative aspects of that? Well, here is
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  Speaker 1: the issue. And they want to stop these proactive stops
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  Speaker 1: based on, let's say, a headlight being out or a
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  Speaker 1: registration not being on the car. And that's the only reason.
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  Speaker 1: And you search the car and you stop them. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's something the police do. And the argument is more
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  Speaker 1: Latino and more blacks are being targeted and therefore it
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  Speaker 1: is racist on its face. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever driven down the street. Of course you have. But
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  Speaker 1: you see a lowered car, you know, that's maybe 20
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  Speaker 1: years old. And a couple of guys in bandanas driving
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  Speaker 1: in the front seat. The first thing that comes to
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  Speaker 1: mind when I see that is a gangbanger right there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's my hunch. And cops, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a cop. Cops have this sort of innate
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  Speaker 1: hunch when they see something. hinky going on. Now, translating
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  Speaker 1: that into more stops, that's fairly controversial because the argument is,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the stats, then you have blacks
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  Speaker 1: and you have Hispanics being targeted more than whites. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the statistics of crime, more blacks and
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  Speaker 1: more Hispanics are being tagged than are white people, are
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  Speaker 1: being arrested than are white people. And then we argue,
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  Speaker 1: is that discrimination? Is that socioeconomic issues? That's a lot
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  Speaker 1: more complicated than we have time to deal with here.
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  Speaker 1: And then the reasons why this is happening, why car
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  Speaker 1: accidents are so dangerous are And it become even more
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  Speaker 1: hazardous for pedestrians and cyclists. Well, first of all, the
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  Speaker 1: police are saying you're taking away a big tool from us.
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  Speaker 1: And that is worth discussing. And why is it more dangerous? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the experts jump in and say, look at speeding and
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  Speaker 1: speeding has exploded.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you go on the freeway.
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  Speaker 1: But man, 75 miles per hour, 80 miles per hour
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  Speaker 1: is everybody on the freeway. If someone is in the
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  Speaker 1: right lane driving 65 miles an hour, they're slowing traffic
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  Speaker 1: and people are zipping around them like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So speeding is there.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly cell phone distractions because people, I can't even imagine
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  Speaker 1: the number of accidents that are now caused by cell phones,
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  Speaker 1: which people are playing with or talking with in the car.
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  Speaker 2: And then just bigger vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: Auto obesity. Auto obesity. Will, that happens when you sit
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  Speaker 1: down and eat. That's auto obesity and eating in your car.
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  Speaker 1: You go through a drive-thru. Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that is, I mean, that happens.
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  Speaker 1: The old drive-thru, a lot of food eaten there. And
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  Speaker 1: so these bigger cars, they have bigger blind spots. And
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  Speaker 1: when they do hit a bicycle or a pedestrian or
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  Speaker 1: another car, Guess what?
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  Speaker 2: A lot more damage.
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  Speaker 1: My wife drives this big, honking Cadillac, an Escalade. She
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  Speaker 1: gets into an accident, man, and she did get into
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  Speaker 1: an accident a couple of years ago. I think she
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  Speaker 1: had one of the bigger ones, one of the bigger SUVs,
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  Speaker 1: a Tahoe, I think. And so she got into it
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  Speaker 1: with a Tesla. The Tesla was damn near totaled. She
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  Speaker 1: had a scratch on the bumper. That's what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Will, I apologize for that, even though
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  Speaker 1: it is true. I just want to point that out.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Bill. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: And we just got the news that the Lindsay Clancy
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  Speaker 1: jury has deadlocked. And so we'll probably talk more about that.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get that, by the way? I just got
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  Speaker 1: that on a CNN podcast. What do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: CNN post or alert.
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  Speaker 2: That was it.
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  Speaker 3: You should listen to KFI news. We just had it
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  Speaker 3: in the newscast.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting some printing. Okay. Okay. Let me do that.
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  Speaker 2: I just heard on CNN, CNN.
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  Speaker 1: I just heard on KFI news followed by an alert
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  Speaker 1: from CNN that the jury had deadlocked.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: God, you know, the problem is, is during the break,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so busy dealing with the stories and putting them
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  Speaker 1: all together that sometimes I don't listen to the news.
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  Speaker 3: You're excused.
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  Speaker 2: Usually I don't listen to the news. Never. Well, you're
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  Speaker 2: not excused for that. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for Tech Tuesday. Mike Dabuski is in today.
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  Speaker 1: ABC News technology reporter out of New York.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. Good morning, Bill.
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  Speaker 5: And just FYI, I got the Lindsay Clancy news from
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  Speaker 5: ABC News.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Who's counting? Yeah, exactly. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Lawsuit again against Anthropic. This one by Sony Music and
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  Speaker 1: Warner Chapel Music. Because companies think there's a brazen campaign
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  Speaker 1: of intellectual property theft.
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  Speaker 2: Explain all that to us, please. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: So according to these music publishers, Anthropic illegally acquired the
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  Speaker 5: intellectual property of these companies, namely music, and used that
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  Speaker 5: IP to train its AI model, which is called Claude.
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  Speaker 5: The amount of copyrighted works here are innumerable, according to
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  Speaker 5: this lawsuit, but they include songs you're probably familiar with,
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  Speaker 5: things like Ain't No Mountain High Enough, All I Want
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  Speaker 5: for Christmas is You, and and Eye of the Tiger.
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  Speaker 5: Basically what this lawsuit says is that Anthropic illegally torrented
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  Speaker 5: or downloaded these songs. These are, you know, this is
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  Speaker 5: a classic like music piracy case. And they did that
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  Speaker 5: in order to train Claude in a cheaper way. Instead
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  Speaker 5: of licensing this music, instead of paying for it, They
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  Speaker 5: went to these kind of shady torrenting websites and used
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  Speaker 5: that in training data. According to these companies, this amounts
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  Speaker 5: to one of the largest and most blatant ongoing thefts
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  Speaker 5: of intellectual property in history. But Anthropic pushing back, saying
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  Speaker 5: we disagree with the publisher's claims and we intend to
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  Speaker 5: defend ourselves robustly in court.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I have a question.
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  Speaker 1: Taking someone's music that, in fact, has to be copyrighted,
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  Speaker 1: you know, clearly belonging to the publisher.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, the singer, the songwriter getting a piece
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  Speaker 2: of that. How is it? Now, I don't understand how possible.
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  Speaker 2: There's mainly a legal question.
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  Speaker 1: How can Anthropic defend using that music and then for
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  Speaker 1: commercial purposes using it to train the algorithm?
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand what their defense would be. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good question.
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  Speaker 5: We'll have to see how they defend themselves in court, though.
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  Speaker 5: For what it's worth, we've seen similar cases and accusations
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  Speaker 5: leveled at Anthropic in the past. Earlier this year, Concord
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  Speaker 5: Music Group and Universal Music Group made similar allegations in
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  Speaker 5: their own lawsuit. And Anthropic recently settled a case in
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  Speaker 5: the literary world, which accused the company of doing the
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  Speaker 5: same thing. But instead of music, it was like e-books,
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  Speaker 5: digital books. And that particular case might be instructive here.
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  Speaker 5: Many of the arguments showing up there are showing up here.
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  Speaker 5: So are many of the same lawyers, interestingly enough. Anthropic
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  Speaker 5: last September agreed to pay $ 1. 5 billion to settle that case,
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  Speaker 5: but in doing so, the judge drew a line between
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  Speaker 5: training and piracy, basically saying it's cool for an AI
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  Speaker 5: company to use copyrighted works to train models. They just
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  Speaker 5: have to do that in a legal way. Anthropic could
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  Speaker 5: be on the hook for quite a lot of money
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  Speaker 5: here as well. The complaint says tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 5: allegedly infringed works are at play. The plaintiffs are asking
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  Speaker 5: for $ 150, 000 for every allegedly pirated song. plus $ 25, 000 for
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  Speaker 5: every song where they allegedly stripped the copyright information out
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  Speaker 5: of that song before ingesting it into Claude, which is
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  Speaker 5: their large language model. That means Anthropic could be in
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  Speaker 5: the multi-billion dollar range pretty soon. That would be quite
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  Speaker 5: a lot of money, even for a company as big
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  Speaker 5: as Anthropic.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: We'll pick up the Tim Cook story next time out,
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  Speaker 1: because that is a big story. He is leaving a
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  Speaker 1: CEO from Apple Podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Mike. We'll talk again. Mike Dubosky, who is ABC
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  Speaker 2: News technology reporter. All right.
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  Speaker 1: The new director of the CDC has ordered the agency
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  Speaker 1: officials to challenge two measles deaths reported by Pennsylvania. And
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  Speaker 1: this is outside of the agency's normal procedure of accepting
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  Speaker 1: data shared by the states and then amplifying comments made
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  Speaker 1: by her boss, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., health secretary. And
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  Speaker 1: here's what's kind of weird about this. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the CDC gets into a political disagreement of whether the
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  Speaker 1: deaths were a result of measles or merely coincided with
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  Speaker 1: the infection.
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  Speaker 2: So let me break it down because this is as
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  Speaker 2: political as they come.
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  Speaker 1: This has to do with vaccination because the two deaths
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  Speaker 1: were among a child and a man. The child, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, died right after birth of a ruptured spleen.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what the man died of. Neither
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  Speaker 1: one have been vaccinated. And then the argument is if
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  Speaker 1: they were vaccinated, right? And of course, as we know,
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration, through Robert Kennedy, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: Trump cares one way or the other, but Robert Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: certainly does. And he is arguing, wait a minute, you
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  Speaker 1: can't say these were measles because obviously measles There was
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  Speaker 1: no vaccination.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore, you know the logic.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't really say these were measles because Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: says they are measles associated.
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  Speaker 2: They both died.
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  Speaker 1: The baby died of a ruptured spleen, which usually doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen with the case of measles, although it can. And
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  Speaker 1: so the argument goes on. The fight continues.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because the Trump administration, well, let's say Robert Kennedy, Health
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  Speaker 1: and Human Services Secretary, does not believe in vaccinations, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, very much. The new CDC director does. And
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be an interesting fight because the new
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  Speaker 1: CDC director says, I have no problem disagreeing with my superiors,
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  Speaker 1: including Robert F.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy. And so now comes the fight. they didn't die
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  Speaker 2: of measles.
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  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, there's no such thing as measles. What's
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  Speaker 1: a we've never heard of a measle well maybe i'm
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  Speaker 1: exaggerating a little bit uh but the connection between non-vaccination
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  Speaker 1: measles uh is uh incidental it's anecdotal it's uh not
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  Speaker 1: causal and so uh In Pennsylvania, they've already reported 497
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  Speaker 1: people sickened, 87 hospitalized, two deaths.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the state, by law, having to.
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  Speaker 1: Disclose to the CDC these two deaths. And both of
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  Speaker 1: them saying they were tested positive for measles and no vaccination.
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  Speaker 2: This I love.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy accused the governor of Pennsylvania of taking, quote, giddy
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  Speaker 1: delight in announcing two measles deaths and suggested the deaths
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  Speaker 1: may have been fabricated by one of the governor's hopeful staffers.
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  Speaker 2: They made it up.
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  Speaker 1: They made up the fact that these were caused by measles,
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  Speaker 1: the deaths. And they point out that Lancaster County Coroner
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: says it has no record of any measles deaths.
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  Speaker 2: That proves our point.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is the state is not required to inform
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  Speaker 1: the county coroner, only the CDC.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man, it doesn't stop.
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  Speaker 1: On Friday, the CDC didn't update its weekly tally for measles,
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  Speaker 1: for measles cases, which it has to by law, saying
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  Speaker 1: that the update has, quote, been delayed.
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  Speaker 2: And staff members.
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  Speaker 1: Did update the site yesterday or on Sunday, but there
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  Speaker 1: was an asterisk explaining that the Pennsylvania deaths, the available
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: information does not establish whether measles caused or contributed to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the deaths or whether the individuals died from other causes
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: while infected with measles. And so jumping off a building
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: does not really hurt you. It's only when you hit
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the ground is where the injury takes place.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it doesn't stop. It does not stop.
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  Speaker 1: And even though Robert Kennedy said that he believes in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the measles vaccine, he said it. Now, he also said
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that the measles vaccine, which is part of the MMR vaccination,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: which you get as a child, should be held or
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: should be used across months or years. And modern science,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: medical science says, no, no, you want it in one shot.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And another fight is brewing on that one. So we
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: keep on going. You know, I mean, can you blame
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Trump for this?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. Because he doesn't care.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Can you blame Trump for nominating and getting Robert Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: as Health and Human Services Secretary?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You bet. And why did Trump name RFK Jr. the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: cabinet member?
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  Speaker 1: Is it because of his vast experience in running a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: bureaucracy like this? Because of his management skills? No, because
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy Jr. early on supported Trump. And there's the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: reason why he is the cabinet member and decides our health.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, crazy, crazy is what it is. Oh, good.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't stop, does it?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Coming up.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, here's another Trump story. This one is just fun.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just dangerous, like this story of measles. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's just fun. and entertainment with a capital E.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And that's what's going on with Lake Ontario, now known
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to be Lake America, to a few people. And certainly
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: if you buy a governmental map or go on the website,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: it's no longer Lake Ontario. I'll talk about that when
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