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Mega Edition: The Competing Narratives Surrounding Epstein's Jail House "Incident" (6/10/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: From Spotify. The lot about how did Jeffrey Epstein die?
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Did he kill himself? Was he murdered? What the hell
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happened in that jail cell? Unfortunately, we don't know, and
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that is just the truth of the matter. Anybody who
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says they know for sure what occurred in that jail
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cell the night Jeffrey Epstein died is bessing with you, unless,
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of course they were there, and we don't know who
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was there, right, we don't know anything about that night.
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Oh sure, we have the official narrative. We have the
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official story given to us by the federal government and
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the Department of Corrections and all of their surrogates. But
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the question is do you believe that? Do you really
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believe that all of these things just happened to occur
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all at the time that Jeffrey Epstein was going to die,
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or leading up to his death, just a perfect storm
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happened to arrive right over Jeffrey Epstein. Huh, right when
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they were about to put the screws to him. Yeah,
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it's just a coincidence. I mean, it's obvious what happened here.
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He just killed himself. Anyone asking any other questions is
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just a conspiracy. Theorist. Jeez. Meanwhile, back in reality, anybody
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with any sense in their head is asking the question,
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what the fuck happened in that jail cell? Leading up
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to Jeffrey Epstein's death, there was another incident in a
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jail cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni, an ex cop who's under
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suspicion for four homicides. That's the guy they put into
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the cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Of all of the hundreds
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and hundreds and hundreds of other inmates that could have
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been in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein, they put Nicholas Dartaglioni,
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who's facing a life sentence, who is so bowed about
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it that he killed a cartel operator, Martin Luna, allegedly.
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And you think that's the right guy to put in
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a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Who made that decision? Are
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they still working for the prison system? Why shouldn't that
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person be fired? Isn't that a terrible, terrible display of
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your ability to do your job right up front for
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everybody to see. You know, if you're bad at your job,
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you usually lose it, unless, of course, you work for
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the federal government. Then it's Okay, it's like being a priest.
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Right when you work for the federal government, you could
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do whatever the fuck you want. They'll just shuffle you around,
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just like these nasty ass, gross ass to disgusting ass priests.
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All of these bureaucracies are trash in my opinion, be
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it the prison system, the federal government, your local church,
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whatever it is, all of these bureaucracies are corrupt. And
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the fact that the people who were at MCC running
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the whole entire shin dig running the whole entire shit
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show still have jobs is just mind boggling to me.
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But I guess you know, there's no expected accountability by
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those who hold these positions. I guess it's just we
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should just not expect them to do the right thing
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to just we should expect it to be a shit show,
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is basically what they're telling us, when in reality, we
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pump hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars
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into this shit as taxpayers, and we get no return
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on our investment, shit return on our investment. There should
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be no place and no time where somebody like Jeffrey
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Epstein sharing the cell with somebody like Nicholas Tartaglioni. Why
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didn't you put Tartaglioni in the cell with El Choppo?
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Why is he in there with Jeffrey Epstein? People like
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Epstein are the number one target on prison yards. Tartaglioni's
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face in four life sentences, perhaps the death penalty, and
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you think he has any regard for Jeffrey Epstein's welfare?
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What I mean? It takes a whole lot of suspending
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your sensibilities to believe it's a good idea to put
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Tartaglioni in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, look,
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even if he didn't do it right, even if he
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didn't assault Jeffrey Epstein the first go around when they
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were cell mates, the decision alan to put him in
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there and have the chance for it to happen is
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enough to fire people. This isn't a game. What do
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you think this is some sort of gladiatorial combat. I'm
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gonna put inmates in with each other and see what happens,
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some sort of sociology experiment. Even the worst of the
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worst amongst us needs to be safeguarded when they're in prison,
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so they could see trial now after trial on the
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other hand, Hey, it's a doggy dog world in prison, folks.
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I've told you one hundred million times, you don't want
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to deal with going to prison. You don't want to
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deal with these sick fucking people that are in there.
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Don't break the law, don't be an asshole. And these people,
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especially these rich people that break the law then cry
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all of these crocodile tears that they're going to jail,
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that they're going to prison. I have no sympathy for you.
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Your commissary is gonna be full, your books are gonna
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be full, You're gonna have a nice spread inside of
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your cell. What about the rest of the people that
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are in prison, the normal folk like us, Those are
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the people I'm concerned with in prison, folks, those are
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the people who I want to see shit change. For
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people like Glainne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein that cry about
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their prison terms, I don't. Honestly, I don't even care
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because I don't even feel like people like that can
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be rehabilitated. So if you're in prison serving a sentence
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on something that's non uh uh no, something that can't
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be rehabilitated, right, non fixable, then fuck I don't have
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any empathy for you at all. Hurting children, hurting women,
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you know, multiple violence, you know, murdering people. Fuck that. Sorry, bro,
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you're screwed. I don't know what to tell you. But
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even those people, even their conditions in prison, have to
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be up to a standard that is passable for living conditions.
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I'm not into the torture facilities that some of these
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places are, folks, that's really what they are, at least mentally,
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and I'm not into that shit at all. I think
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that there needs to be prison reform. I'm very firm
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about that, and I'm willing to go to the nines
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about it. In fact, because when we send people to
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prison for you know, things that they have done, mistakes
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that they have made, DUI's, you know, blue collar crime,
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whatever it might be, there needs to be rehabilitation for
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these people. Get a college degree, learn a skill something
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so that when they get released back into society they
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can be functioning members of that society. And once you
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have paid your debt to society, I also believe that
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your right to vote should be reinstated. But when it
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comes to people like Jeffrey Epstein and Gelaine Maxwell, and
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they're crying about their conditions in prison. It's just laughable
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because I look around and I see people that I know,
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people that I talk to on a regular basis, who
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have done bids, you know, serious bids too, eight ten,
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twelve years some of these people, and they tell me
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the horror stories about prison and how it is exactly
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like you hear about on these yards. Well here on
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the West coast. Anyway, if you're in prison for a
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crime against a woman, if you're in prison for a
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crime against a child, you're fucked, bro. You are not
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walking the main line. You're not gonna be GP. You're
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gonna have to you're gonna have to protect up, you're
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gonna have to go and talk to the screws, and
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you're gonna have to get moved to protective custody because
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you're not gonna make it on the line. So why
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would they think that Epstein should be in a jail
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cell with somebody who's staring at four life bids. Who's
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gonna be on the line, who's gonna walk the yard?
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And when he shows up on the yard. Now, if
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TARTAGLIONI did this, you know, the first assault, because he
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obviously didn't kill him the second well, I shouldn't even say.
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Obviously we don't know, right, we don't know, but more
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than likely had nothing to do with his death. But
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he probably assaulted him that first time. That's my working assumption.
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Why would you put that dude in to sell with
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Jeffrey Epstein? That is the question that is not being
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asked enough, and that's the question that the federal government's
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going to have to answer because people who know about
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this shit, people who understand about understand what goes on
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in the prison system. And believe me, I only understand
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a little bit, right, I've never been through it. I've
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never been to prison. I don't know the first fucking thing.
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I've never even you know what, I've never even been
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in handcuffs, to be honest with you, So I don't
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That's a world that I don't know about personally. That's
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a world I only know about from very good friends
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of mine who have not been so lucky. But when
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you hit the yard on the West Coast, somebody like Epstein,
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somebody like Maxwell, the party's over for you if you're
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in GP. And somebody like Tartaglioni, on the other hand,
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he can earn some stripes, right, he might be a cop,
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but at the same time he can earn some stripes
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with the other shot callers on the yard by assaulting
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a como. Pretty much, the only thing below an ex
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cop in prison is a ciomo and TARTAGLIONI thankfully for him.
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He's gonna end up doing his bid on the East coast, probably,
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and not on the West coast, where there are a
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lot more Mexican inmates. And considering that he clipped Diego,
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I mean Martin Luna, who was an operative for the cartel,
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he'd be in for a bad stay out west. Now
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on the East Coast, things are gonna be a little
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bit different. There's gonna be a different structure in prison.
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I'm not too sure. I really don't have any uh
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friends even who did a significant time in a New
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York State prison, so I'm not too positive. But I'm
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sure it's not gonna be a fun run for an
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next cop. But that said, at least he's not gonna
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have to deal with Lame on the yard, right, because
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I'm sure whatever cartel that Luna was operating for, probably
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Sinaloa considering where he was located. But I'm sure that
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that cartel is gonna green light Tartaglioni unless on the
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flip side. There's a lot we don't know, right, but
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this is something that could could occur. Maybe Tartaglioni was
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doing that work for the cartel. Maybe he was clipping
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Luna for the cartel. Again, we don't know. The government's
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very tight lipped in this case. But when it comes
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to Tartaglioni, it comes to his court case, I am
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watching it very very closely now, almost as closely as
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I'm watching the Epstein case. I don't know what it is, folks,
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but something here stinks real bad for me, and I
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can't get the smell out of my nose. The whole
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Tartaglioni situation, the whole entire Tartaglioni being in a jail
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cell with Jeffrey Epstein just smacks of something very, very
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very disgusting. So what we're gonna do today is we're
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gonna jump into an article about Tartaglioni, and we're gonna
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talk not talk to personally, but here from a lawyer,
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Doug Shoon, who spoke with Jeffrey Epstein right before Jeffrey
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Epstein died, and according to Doug shown they had a
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whole strategy worked out. They were ready to go to
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the nines and go to the mattresses and try and
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win this case. Doug Shoan says that Jeffrey Epstein was
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not suicidal, that Jeffrey Epstein was in good spirits, and
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that Jeffrey Epstein was ready to fight this case. And
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I just have a hard time believing that a narcissist
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like Jeffrey Epstein would kill himself before even having a fight.
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Now again, I might be wrong. Maybe he did kill himself.
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Maybe he hung himself from that bed, like everybody in
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the federal government says he did. But I don't know
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about you, but personally, I have a hard time believing
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the federal government about anything at this point. And I
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don't say that to be edgy or to be cool
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or anything like that. These are just the facts. The
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federal government has a long proven track record of bsing
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us the populace. And while some people might be acceptant
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to that, might just sit back and say, ah, you
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know that's the way, it is not me. I have
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questions for fucking everything, And to tell you the truth, folks,
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I'm not receiving an answers, and I know a lot
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of you out there are the same way. So the
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whole situation surrounding Epstein's death has always been an absolute
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shit show. We have never gotten the real story, and
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when you hear things like what Doug Shoan has to say,
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it just goes further in strengthening my belief. That's something
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I don't know what, but something real fucked up occurred
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in that jail from the time Epstein was hurt, the
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first time assaulted, tried to commit suicide, whatever, up until
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his death. There needs to be answers for that whole
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entire time period. And Doug shown the lawyer who sat
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with Epstein very close to the time of Epstein's death.
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He feels the same way. So let's jump into this
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article from the Daily Mail and let's see what they
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have to say. It was a ham but I don't
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know who killed him. Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer says his pedophile
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client was upbeat and excited about strategy to clear his name,
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but lived in fear of violent former cellmate. So this
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is Doug Shoan saying this, folks, Okay, we're not talking
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about some two bit hack lawyer. We're talking about a
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guy that's on the public scene as far as these
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sorts of cases go, somebody who's a pretty respected lawyer.
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And according to him, Epstein was scared of Tartaglione. This
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article was authored by Dan Bates. Jeffrey Epstein did not
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kill himself because he was preparing a multi layered legal
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and media strategy to fight his case. The late Pedophiles
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lawyer has claimed. David Shoon, who Epstein asked to lead
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his legal team in his final days, said he planned
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to mount legal and factual defenses to the sex trafficking
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allegations against him. So he had David Shoan come in,
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and David Shoan was about to take was about to
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take over this case, and David Shoan had a whole
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strategy worked up him and Epstein. They had a whole entire,
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you know, game plan set forth, which would probably have failed. Honestly,
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there's so much evidence that Epstein is guilty. That's not
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the point here though, right. The point is him and
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his lawyer were confident that they had a strategy put
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into place that might be feasible, right, And if it's
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somebody who was suicidal, would they be sitting down trying
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to put a strategy together. Would they be juggling their lawyers,
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would they be hiring a new lawyer to take the
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lead in the case. Doesn't sound like somebody who is
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suicidal to me. During a five hour meeting with Epstein
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nine days before his death, Shoan said Epstein was upbeat
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and excited and looking forward to clear his name, but
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Epstein was in a dangerous situation in jail, and suggested
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other prisoners we're considering blackmailing him. Look, there's there's no
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doubt that happens in jail. That happens in prison to
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the best of people. Right, you show up and it's
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open season on the fish. And if you don't have
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to handle yourself physically, right, you don't got to be
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the baddest dude in the world. But you gotta get down.
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You gotta throw down. If somebody looks up on you,
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somebody's threatening you, somebody's trying to blackmail you, somebody's pressing you.
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You need to stand up for yourself. Now. You can't
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walk in there like Billy Badass with your chest all bared,
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talking about I'm here to knock people out, because you're
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gonna get your shit pushed in, But you need to
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handle your business, shut your mouth, be a man, make
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eye contact, speak with people the correct way. But if
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you're Jeffrey Epstein and you have these charges over your head,
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none of that matters. You're automatically a piece of shit
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to these people. And the fact that Tartaglioni is acting
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like him and Epstein were gonna become friends and shit
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is laughable at best. There's zero chance. Okay, Tartaglioni, an
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ex cop now a felon for life, is gonna make
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friends with a chomo before he even hits the yard. Yeah, okay, sure,
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And all of that money that they just passed for
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infrastructure is gonna go to the American people. They would
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see him on TV inside the prison and tell Epstein's
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seventy million dollar mansion. Huh. Seoan speaks out in a
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new documentary about Epstein's death called Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein.
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The first episode began streaming online on an Investigation Discovery
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on Monday and will be well premiere on TV on
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May thirty. First. Now, this article's back from May twenty,
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remember May of twenty twenty, so this is already out.
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If you haven't watched this yet, you can check it out.
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Who Kill Jeffrey Epstein? Decent one of these little series
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that they had going on, one of many, Right, there's
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a bunch of them that they had out, So for
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those of you who might have missed those new to
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the story, go back check them out if you got
19:04
some time looking to kill some time. Definitely worth the watch.
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The three part series questions whether or not the financier
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pedophile took his own life last August while awaiting trial
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on sex trafficking charges. As the official autopsy claimed, Epstein's
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death sparked a slew of conspiracy theories, which were bolstered
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by the apparent failures at the prison where he was
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being held. So see, I have an issue with that.
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Is it really a conspiracy theory? If there's a slew
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of issues and you have questions, why would you frame
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that as being a conspiracy theory unless you're trying to
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keep the truth from coming out. And it befuddles me
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that the legacy media would go about their business the
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same way. They're so worried about being called a conspiracist
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that they won't ask the hard questions. And that's how
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the systems set up right. The so called elite have
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it so ingrained in people not to ask questions, not
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to say this, not to say that, or you'll look
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like a fucking lunatic. If you came out and said
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you saw a UFO fifteen years ago, you were laughed
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at and called a clown, a psychopath, etc. Now the
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government itself's coming out talking about UFOs, but don't ask
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any questions. You're a fucking conspiracy theorist. It's so wild, bro.
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It is really so wild to me that they can
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get away with this shit for so long, calling people
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conspiracy theorists, this, that the other thing, while at the
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same time and the other side of their mouth firing
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off their own conspiracy theories that are only supported by
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circular reporting. It's really incredible to me to see how
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tone deaf the legacy media is. The guards at the
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Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan allegedly did not check on
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him all night and the cameras outside of his cell
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were not working. Not a conspiracy theory. Those are facts.
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Can you give me an answer for those issues? Oh
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you can't, So, how's it a conspiracy theory of It's
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I'm not coming up with all sorts of wild fucking things.
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I don't think Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian showed up there
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to kill him. But I want some answers, and the
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answers you people are giving me certainly han't fit the
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bill of what I would call solid answers. And I'm
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certainly not the only one who believes that. Okay, Julie K.
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Brown feels the same way. Is she a conspiracy theorist
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Shown is based in Atlanta, Georgia, and had been giving
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Epstein's sporadic legal advice for eleven years before his arrest
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last July. He claims that despite his vast finances, Epstein's
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legal team was in turmoil and he sought out showing
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to lead them to trial. Speaking to daily Mail dot Com,
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Shown even called Jay Lefkowitz one of Epstein's longtime lawyers.
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And I can't disagree with that. Leftowitz is a big mouth,
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a bloviating big mouth. But he did let it slip
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that Epstein was one of the first donors, one of
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the first key members to get the Clinton Global Initiative
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off the ground. Nobody likes to talk about that, right,
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They always want to talk about other things. You notice,
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these people don't ever want to talk about their boy
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Billy Clinton, especially clog wearing ass George Stepanopolis. They never
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have anything to say about good old billy boy Clinton,
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do they. But the fact of the matter is Jay
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Lefkowitz is a numbskull. Central to Epstein's legal strategy was
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that the prosecution in New York was the same as
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the one in two thousand and eight for which he
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agreed to a plea deal with federal prosecutors. So again,
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that's the rub, and it's always been the rub. It's
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always been the thorn in the side, the goddamn non
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pros execution agreement in Florida. It has thrown such a
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monkey in the wrench. And that was always the goal, right,
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get that on the books. Let's get this in the system,
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so we can use this as a defense moving forward,
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no matter what Epstein does. But guess what, it only
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protected you in Florida, all right, only for the crimes
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committed there. You sick fuck you. Now you got to
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pay the piper elsewhere, well, not you, but your estate, right,
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your reputation, and you're good friend, Galaine, You're all gonna
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pay the piper. Now aren't you there, fuck bag Epstein?
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Sean explained. Epstein asked me to take over the whole case,
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and that they discussed factual rebuttals. He said, people who
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were coming forward he'd never seen before and had nothing
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to do with. I thought he was getting killed in
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the media. When he could respond, he should at least
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explain and respond. There was a miserable failure to do so,
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and his lawyers were dysfunctional. Look, there was no way
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Epstein was ever gonna win this case in the public view. Now,
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shown's right, you have to try, But it was a
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failed strategy from the get go. Now, back then, before
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it had blown up like it had now, maybe it
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would have worked a little bit better, but not Now.
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What do I always say one and one that they
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can swat us away right, ten million of us, they're
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gonna suffocate. And that's what we've become. We've become a swarm, folks.
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I couldn't be any prouder of you people, the way
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you folks have stood tall before the wagon throughout this
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whole entire thing. Every day on this podcast, listening to
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what I have to say, tons of other content you're
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sucking down, reading books, calling your congressmen demanding change. Yeah,
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you people are the all stars. Me and the rest
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of the content creators. We just happened to have some
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big mouths, right, That's all. It really comes down to,
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nobody smarter than anybody else, nobody knows more than anybody
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Else's a team effort as far as I see, and
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anybody trying to claim credit in this case a bunch
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of fucking clowns. You folks out there that have kept
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the pedal to the metal, your foot to the floor,
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and demanded justice for all of these years, you're the superstars,
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all right. Now. We all know that the real leaders
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of this have been the survivors themselves, but you folks
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who have supported them on a regular basis via social
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media and otherwise, you all deserve a standing applause as well. Folks,
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all right, because this hasn't been an easy, you know,
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an easy road. A lot of you have, you know,
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suffered people calling you conspiracy theorists and other names and shit,
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and people don't know anything about the case mainly, but
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you have kept you're cool, you have kept the narrative going,
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and you have kept the story in the news, and
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for that you will all should get a tip of
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the cap, he said, people who were coming forward he'd
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never seen before and had nothing to do with. Oh
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excuse me. The plan to push back included appealing to
26:12
the public sense of fairness because Epstein had not been
26:15
formally accused of anything since two thousand and five. Yeah,
26:19
felt strategy that would not have worked. Okay, once you're
26:23
accused of what Epstein was accused of originally, there's no
26:26
rebuilding that image in the public view. Now, maybe amongst
26:30
the other elites, the other so called elites, the scumbags
26:33
of the world, the pieces of shit who ran to
26:35
the Hamptons while the rest of you were dying in
26:37
New York during COVID, The pieces of shit who ran
26:40
to the Hamptons while the rest of you couldn't leave
26:42
your house in New York. Yeah, those same very people.
26:45
They led Jeffrey Epstein back in. But the rest of us, Nah,
26:48
no thanks, We have no room for fuck bags like you, Okay.
26:55
Sean wanted to talk about the political pressure that led
26:59
to epstein arrest and the extortion attempt by survivors lawyers.
27:03
Now that's an interesting angle, right, an extortion attempt. I
27:08
think that asking for compensation after being abused for decades
27:12
by Jeffrey Epstein. Is an extortion, Okay, I think that's
27:16
getting right. I think that's called getting some retribution. It's
27:24
not extortion. In one case, a lawyer supposedly sent Epstein
27:33
a letter demanding twenty five million to make the survivor's
27:35
claims go away. Epstein did not pay. Let's see the letter,
27:39
Let's see the evidence. Talk is cheap homie, talk is real,
27:43
cheap Showan said, at least I wanted people to report
27:48
on the fact how much lawyers were making off this thing.
27:51
I'd hope that some people agree that some of these
27:53
women tricked him. I don't believe that. Now. Are there
27:56
crazy people out there that might make false claims? Of
27:58
course there are, of course there are. But I will
28:03
say this, lawyers are making a lot of money off
28:05
of this. Are you kidding me? Even the lawyers that
28:08
are doing it for free, they're making money off of this.
28:11
That's how the world works. What nobody will misses. When
28:13
you exploit things, you can make some money. Shit, we
28:17
all got to eat. Everybody gotta put a roof over
28:20
their head. It's people who are exploitive. It's people who
28:23
exploit situations that I have a problem with Johnny come lately.
28:29
But when it comes to stuff like this, the lawyer's
28:32
making a couple of bucks writing books or whatever they
28:35
should do that they got. You know, how else are
28:37
they supposed to fund this? How elch are they supposed
28:39
to fund their battle against people like Epstein. During their
28:45
five hour meeting at the MCC on August first, Epstein
28:48
and Shown had mapped out a strategy, and he was
28:51
upbeat and excited. Sean said, we were in the area
28:55
where prisoners meet lawyers. At one point, a prison psychiatrist
28:59
came in and asked me to leave so she could
29:01
talk to Epstein on his own. They talked for five minutes,
29:04
and he seemed relaxed. He was smiling as she left.
29:08
He had plans to really fight this case. He'd made
29:11
arrangements to hire me. So again, there's all that's talk about. Oh,
29:16
Epstein was suicidal. He was this, He was that according
29:19
to who who has actually come out and said that
29:22
that is somebody that we can believe, somebody that's credible.
29:27
Oh the prison staff said that. Oh okay, the prison staff. Yeah,
29:31
these guys are solid. We can really count on them.
29:34
And I'm not really you know, I don't really mean
29:37
to come down on the correctional guards, right. They have
29:39
a tough job. It's not an easy job to do
29:43
what they do. But at the same time, I mean,
29:46
come on, if you're not gonna take your gig, seriously,
29:50
find something else to do. There's plenty of jobs out there,
29:53
especially now, A lot of job's going on. Well, at
29:55
least still another lockdown comes rolling through. But that's besides
29:58
the point, I guess. But I don't know of any
30:04
credible people coming out saying Epstein was suicidal except the
30:07
people in the prison. Seoan did not reveal the contents
30:15
of his discussions with Epstein, but said Glen Maxwell, his
30:19
alleged madam, never came up. Epstein had a lot of
30:23
powerful friends who he did favors. For that Shoan was
30:26
disappointed they did not offer to help him after his arrest.
30:31
He said, I'd hope that Prince Andrew would be the
30:33
one guy who stood up and said he was a friend.
30:36
I didn't know anything about it. Instead, the Duke distanced
30:39
himself from Epstein in a BBC interview a few months
30:44
after he died, and that right there is a little
30:46
look inside of the psyche. How close Epstein and Andrew
30:50
really were, Folks, cut through the bullshit. See what is
30:53
right in front of your face. Why would Doug Shoan
30:56
say that if Epstein and Andrew, the Joe of the
31:00
Windsor family, weren't BFFs. You know, they were very close,
31:05
super close, like best friend close. And when you pull
31:09
back the curtains and you take a little look and
31:12
you find the nuggets like shown just dished out here,
31:15
it's very apparent that they were much closer than even
31:20
the media is letting on. When Shoan learned Epstein had
31:26
been found dead, he immediately told his legal team to
31:29
hire renowned pathologist Michael Boden to be present for the autopsy.
31:34
Boden was brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries
31:37
were not consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New
31:40
York City Medical Examiner said. And right away when Boden
31:44
came in, the Onslaught began, Oh, he's a quack, he's this,
31:48
he's that, blah blah blah, this that the other thing. Meanwhile,
31:52
this dude had a show on HBO for a thousand years.
31:54
I remember as a kid watching this guy's show on
31:57
HBO about you know, uh, the examination of dead bodies
32:02
and whatnot, always freaked me out. I'm not a few
32:04
I don't like that kind of shit grosses me out. Man.
32:07
Not a big fan of like, you know, surgeries and
32:12
autopsies and shit like that. Pass. But I remember as
32:15
a kid seeing this guy on HBO, and you know,
32:18
all the news stations, et cetera, et cetera. Then all
32:22
of a sudden Epstein shows up and now he's a quack.
32:25
Now doctor Boden doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Okay,
32:28
sure you know what it is. It cracks me up.
32:31
It's just like anything like with COVID. You can find
32:35
some scientist or a doctor that agrees with with your
32:38
confirmation bias if you look hard enough, no matter how
32:41
crazy it might be. And then people will point to
32:44
that and say, oh, look, I'm following the science. So
32:47
it's all wild It's all confirmation bias and wildness. Right.
32:51
But when it comes to Michael Boden, I think that
32:54
the guy should be listened to. He might have done
32:58
an autopsy or two in his life. Huh. Boden was
33:05
brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries were not
33:09
consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New York City
33:12
Medical Examiner had said. Instead, Boden believes the broken neck
33:17
in Epstein's the broken bone in Epstein's neck suggests he
33:21
had been killed. As Sean says in the documentary, I
33:25
think it was a homicide, but I don't know who
33:27
killed him. Sean said he was especially concerned about Epstein's
33:31
former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglioni, a Haulking X cop accused of
33:36
four murders. And again we come back to Nicholas Tartaglioni.
33:41
Why was he in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein in
33:45
the first place. Tartaglioni was Epstein's cell mat during his
33:51
first apparent suicide attempt on July twenty third last year,
33:55
and some reports suggested he beat Epstein up, a claim
33:59
his lawyer strongly denied. Sean said the first incident that happened,
34:04
which the newspapers reported as a possible suicide attempt, Epstein
34:08
didn't want to discuss any further. He told the prison
34:11
officers he couldn't remember what happened. He didn't want to
34:14
answer any more questions. Yeah, no shit. Look, dude, you're
34:18
in prison. You ain't ratting, and if you do, you're fucked.
34:21
Where's Epstein gonna go. He's already in protective custody. Where's
34:24
he gonna go? So he gets assaulted by Tartaglioni. This
34:28
is my working suspicion, my theory. Folks, Okay, I don't
34:31
have the evidence to back it up, but neither do they.
34:34
So he gets assaulted by Tartaglioni. A message sent. Listen, motherfucker,
34:39
you're in prison now, you hurt kids, I'm here to
34:42
tell you that shit. Don't ride. Tartaglioni gives him the business,
34:47
roughs them up real quick. Now Epstein's scared. Epstein's like,
34:50
what the fuck? I know? I'm in the shit now,
34:54
So he clams up. Doesn't want to tell the authorities
34:57
what happens, but tell some of his lawyers, doesn't he Look,
35:03
he was in a dangerous situation. He's a very wealthy
35:06
guy accused of sex offenses, stuck in with a guy
35:09
accused of four murders. First of all, he should have
35:12
been locked up in the general population. That's reprehensible. He'd
35:16
have guys who watched the nightly news on the prison
35:18
TV and say to him seventy million dollar mansion. Huh yeah,
35:22
no shit. If they put him in the yard, if
35:24
he was in GP, forget it. If they would have
35:27
put Epstein in GP, you know for a fact that
35:29
somebody wanted him clipped, They couldn't have done that. So
35:32
they put him in the shoe. Then they put in
35:35
this hulking, fucking psychopath with him, and they want you
35:40
not to answer any questions when everything goes ask any
35:42
questions when everything goes south after that camera's not working,
35:47
Guarter sleeping, no crime scene. But you're the conspiracy theorist.
35:55
I've been through this with other clients and I told
35:57
him to keep an eye on this and tell me
35:59
if anyone was extorting him. Look, folks, Epstein was in
36:03
for a rough time in prison, There's no doubt about that.
36:06
But I don't think he killed himself. Okay, I just don't.
36:10
I don't. Here's the thing. I'm not one of those
36:13
people that say that though and won't believe the evidence
36:15
the other way. I'm an evidence based person. If you
36:18
show me the evidence and I have an opinion that
36:21
is other than well, once the evidence is shown I'm
36:25
not gonna continue on my path of stupid opinions when
36:28
the evidence is present. So if somebody has some evidence
36:32
that he actually, you know, killed himself, I'd sure love
36:35
to see it, because what it certainly looks like to
36:39
me is there was something else going on in that jail.
36:42
There's a whole lot going on there. And the questions
36:46
that are still swirling around Tartaglione his role and what
36:51
he was doing in a jail cell with Epstein. Well,
36:54
I'm not gonna stop asking those questions, those questions, folks,
36:57
until someone gives us some damn answers. So with the
37:01
way that they've been holding everything close to the vest
37:06
leading up to it, I guess I'm gonna be asking
37:07
these for these these answers till I'm dead, because it
37:12
doesn't seem like they want to be very uh forthcoming
37:16
with information. So my question is, what do you folks think,
37:23
should TAGLIONI have been in a jail cell with Jeffrey
37:26
Epstein or should have Jeffrey Epstein been put in the
37:31
cell by himself, safeguarded under twenty four to seven surveillance
37:35
like Maxwell as being, And ask yourselves why the hell
37:42
that didn't occur, because those are the questions, the very
37:46
basic questions, right that we have no answers to. And
37:50
until we get those answers, we're gonna keep chipping away, folks.
37:55
We're gonna be out in the backyard chopping wood, because
38:02
at the end of the day, you me taxpayers everywhere,
38:06
we all deserve to know some answers here, and until
38:10
the federal government and the Department of Justice and the
38:13
Bureau of Prisons comes correct, we're gonna be here asking
38:19
the same questions over and over again. If you'd like
38:24
to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi
38:27
at protonmeil dot com. That's bo bb Y c ap
38:31
U c CI at ProtonMail dot com. You can also
38:35
find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap You
38:40
see what's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
38:46
When we talk about Jeffrey Epstein's death and the alleged
38:50
suicide attempt previously to him actually dying, there has been
38:55
nothing but questions surrounding what happened in that jeff cell
39:00
the first time around while he was with Nicholas Tartaglioni.
39:04
Now we've talked about this quite a bit, but it's
39:08
worth mentioning once again because we still have no answers,
39:12
no legitimate answers here. Of course, there's the official narrative
39:16
that people want you to suck down. Oh, he killed himself,
39:19
and if you ask any other questions, well you're the
39:22
conspiracy theorist. Well, my question is what happened in the
39:26
jail cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni. According to the official narrative, Well,
39:30
they'll say that he tried to kill himself, and Tartaglione, well,
39:34
he saved him. Now, I said at the time, and
39:37
I'll say today again. If Nicholas Tartaglioni was in the
39:40
business of saving Jeffrey Epstein, he would have never let
39:43
him get to the point where he had a noose
39:45
around his neck or whatever. In the first place, What
39:49
big ass Nicholas Tartaglioni couldn't have restrained Jeffrey Epstein if
39:53
he wanted to. He couldn't have called for the guards.
39:56
So it progressed far enough where Epstein had marks on
39:59
his neck, right, and then Tartaglioni decides to step in
40:03
and play the superhero role. None of it made sense,
40:08
and especially considering what Jeffrey Epstein said in the wake
40:12
of all of this. He told his lawyers that he
40:15
got roughed up, that he got beat up by a cellmate,
40:17
Nicholas Tartaglioni, and then all of a sudden, the tape
40:20
is gone. It just disappears, and the backup was deleted
40:24
as well. Now where I'm from, that sounds pretty suspect.
40:30
Doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory. Sounds like the powers
40:34
that be have something to hide, And if they don't,
40:37
then where is the tape? How is it that the
40:40
tape itself and then the backup are both gone? How
40:44
many other tapes and backups are gone from the facility?
40:48
Can we get a number on how many go missing?
40:51
What's the prevalence of that happening? Because as of right now,
40:54
looking at it from where we are, it certainly looks suspect.
40:58
How could it be that the backup system deleted it?
41:01
How could it be that the actual a surveillance system
41:06
didn't capture it? And all we have to go on
41:10
is Nicholas Tartaglioni's word, and we're gonna believe a guy
41:13
who is in prison for allegedly murdering four people, especially
41:19
considering Epstein says that he got roughed up by Tartaglioni.
41:24
So once again, this portion of the story was just
41:27
glossed all over and bulldozed in favor of the official narrative. Now,
41:34
if the official narrative was something to sink our teeth into,
41:37
I'd be all over it. But all we have is
41:40
Bill Barr's bitch ass telling us that it's the truth.
41:44
And whenever anyone fires off a Freedom of Information Act, well, oh,
41:48
it's still an ongoing investigation. We can't tell you what's
41:51
going on here. There's nuclear secrets. It's basically what they say.
41:56
How is this national security? How is this not an
42:00
issue of public trust within the institutions? And when it
42:06
was all happening, these are the same questions I was
42:08
asking then. Today we have an article from the New
42:13
York Post and the headline Epstein told lawyers that cellmate
42:18
Nicholas Tartaglioni roughed them up. This article was authored by
42:22
Bruce Golding and Emily Saul. This article was published on
42:27
August fourteenth of two thousand and nineteen. Jeffrey Epstein told
42:33
his lawyers that a hulking ex cop inflicted the injuries
42:37
that left him nearly unconscious in his cell. Last month,
42:40
a source close to the convicted pedophiles case told the Post,
42:44
So right away, this is what Epstein said happened. Why
42:48
would he say that this guy assaulted him if he didn't,
42:50
And why would Epstein try and commit suicide with somebody
42:53
else in the room. Now, I've said for quite some
42:56
time that I think Tartaglioni was there to pass on
42:58
a message. This is a man who was, you know,
43:01
an ex police officer, a man who probably had some
43:04
connections throughout the facility here, and a man that has
43:08
nothing to lose. Look, if you're going to prison for
43:11
the rest of your life, or maybe going to prison
43:13
for the rest of your life, you'd want to get
43:15
some credit on your docket, right And what better credit
43:19
for an ex cop than saying he went after a pedophile.
43:24
And now, if you look at Tartaglioni's case, it's just
43:27
been you know, kind of neutral in the system since then.
43:31
You mean to tell me they can't have this guy
43:33
a trial yet, what are you dudes waiting for. Epstein
43:39
was treated for neck injuries following the July twenty third
43:42
incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan. Law
43:47
enforcement officials have said, so, I have a hard time
43:51
believing folks that he tried to commit suicide this first
43:54
time around. In fact, I'm almost convinced that he didn't
43:57
now what happened in the jail cell when he actually died.
44:01
I'm not convinced one way or the other. I'm very
44:04
open and receptive to evidence whichever way it comes, but
44:07
I will tell you I do not believe the official
44:10
narrative hook line and sinker how they're pitching it. At
44:15
the time, Epstein was sharing a cell with a former
44:18
Westchester cop, Nicholas Tartaglioni, who faces a death penalty trial
44:22
and four drug related slayings upstate. So why in the
44:26
world would you put Jeffrey Epstein in a jail cell
44:29
with a guy like Nicholas Tartaglioni. I haven't had one
44:32
person give me a legitimate excuse for that yet. Epstein
44:38
told his lawyers that the cop roughed them up and
44:40
that's why they got him off suicide watch. The source said, So,
44:44
Epstein's in this cell with this ex police officer who
44:47
is there looking at four homicides. And there's no way
44:50
in hell that somebody like Epstein should be in a
44:53
jail cell with this person. To begin with, you put
44:56
Epstein in a cell with the jailhouse snitch, somebody who's
44:59
in there for some you know, blue collar crimes or whatever,
45:02
somebody who is not a violent person. Because this is
45:05
one of your most high profile inmates. Would you put
45:07
el Chappo in there with somebody who is staring at
45:10
a death penalty case. Of course not, because that person
45:13
might be enticed to make a move. Whenever you have
45:16
a high profile inmate, that inmate has to be safeguarded
45:19
so that they can see trial. Tartaglioni's lawyer, Bruce Barkett,
45:27
disputed that account, saying I spoke to his lawyers and
45:30
they never hinted at that to me, But he must
45:33
have said something to get off suicide watch. I don't
45:35
trust Bruce Barkett for as far as I can throw him.
45:38
By the way, he has one interest here protecting Nicholas Tartaglioni,
45:42
and if that means lying about Epstein or obfuscating the truth,
45:46
that's what he's going to do. He's not going to
45:48
admit that his client assaulted Jeffrey Epstein, and Tartaglioni isn't
45:52
going to admit it either. And it's convenient that when
45:55
Epstein allegedly tried to kill himself this first time around
45:58
in the jail cell with Nicko star Taglione, that none
46:01
of the cameras were working. I know, just a coincidence.
46:09
I do know that Nick was not brought up on
46:11
any charges at all in the institution, so they cleared him,
46:13
Barket said, of course they did. Were they in on it?
46:17
That's the real question. Did the institution turn a blind
46:19
eye to all of this, turn the cameras off, delete it,
46:22
and put him in the cell on purpose? With them?
46:24
That is a legitimate question that nobody has answered yet,
46:27
And to act like somebody shouldn't ask that question is
46:30
just bananas to me. So you're just gonna implicitly trust
46:35
the institution and everything they have to say, because they
46:38
have such a great track record of being transparent with
46:41
us and not lying to cover their own ass. Barket added,
46:47
we were a little worried that he would make up
46:49
something to get out out of Suicide Watch or try
46:52
and argue for Bell. But it's pretty clear what happened
46:55
given the end result here. Oh yeah, it's pretty clear,
46:57
mister Barkett, because you said so, because Nicholas Tartaglioni told
47:01
us that's what happened. You're dealing with two scumbags. You
47:04
got Jeffrey Epstein, mister child molester extraordinaire, and you have
47:08
a four time fucking murderer over here, and you want
47:10
me to believe what he has to say. Zero chance
47:13
that's going to happen. Let's go to the video jigs.
47:16
Oh yeah, that's right. There's no video here. Nobody got
47:19
in trouble for that either. Where's the chain of custody?
47:25
The revelation came as Manhattan federal Judge Richard Berman, who
47:28
was overseeing the child sex trafficking case against Epstein, released
47:31
a Monday letter to MCC's Warden in which he said,
47:35
what happened on July twenty, twenty third remained an open question.
47:40
To my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what
47:43
the Bureau of Prisons concluded about the incident. Berman wrote,
47:48
one hundred percent, they will not tell you what happened.
47:53
In a response dated the same day, Warden Lemene and
47:57
Die said that an internal investigation was completed, but noted
48:00
that current investigations by the FBI and Justice Department Office
48:04
of Inspector General will include this incident as well. Such
48:07
bullshit you note, that's called that's called misinformation, that's called
48:11
not giving you the truth, and people will just sit
48:15
back and accept it and be like, ah, you know,
48:16
that's cool. Whatever, they'll get to they'll get around to it.
48:19
Whenever they do. I trust them, well I do not.
48:23
And now we're going on what three years, and still
48:25
no answers, and still they're stonewalling people who are trying
48:29
to get to the bottom of what's going on here.
48:31
Ask yourselves, why would they do that? Wouldn't be wouldn't
48:34
it be beneficial to all of us to find out
48:36
what exactly happened here and move forward so that we
48:39
can fix it so it doesn't happen again. Accordingly, I
48:45
cannot divulge any information about the prior investigation at this time,
48:49
and I said On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr ordered
48:53
the removal of Endi from his post at the MCC
48:56
after ripping the serious irregularities at this facility during a
49:00
speech the previous day in New Orleans. So imagine being
49:04
so bad at your job that Bill Barr thinks you're
49:07
bad at your job and removes you from your position.
49:11
That's where we're at, folks. That is exactly where we're at.
49:15
And these are the people that folks want me to
49:17
just trust, especially considering we've went back and we've went
49:21
over all of these topics and we've looked at all
49:24
of the evidence, and for me, there's nothing here that says,
49:27
all right, I have to believe what the official narrative
49:30
is that Epstein was just suicidal, tried to kill himself
49:33
once and then succeeded the second time around the first
49:36
time it was stopped by the great superhero Nicholas Tartaglioni though,
49:41
because you know, he's such a great man, such a
49:44
pillar of the community, assault and Earth type, that he
49:47
stepped in to make sure Epstein, the child molester, didn't
49:50
kill himself. That's what you want me to believe. Well, folks,
49:53
I do not believe that part of the narrative. I
49:55
don't believe how they're pitching it, and I want real answers.
50:01
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this episode.
50:03
If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
50:05
at Bobby Kapuci at Protonmeil dot com. That's bo bbuy
50:10
c apu Cci at Protonmeil dot com. You can also
50:14
find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap you Cci.
50:21
All right, everybody, I'll be back later on with a
50:23
little bit more. I hope that all of you are
50:25
having a good one. What's up everyone, and welcome back
50:28
to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the key factors when
50:33
it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and what happened to him
50:35
inside of that jail is Nicholas star Taglioni. And it's
50:39
wild to me that more people don't want to talk
50:42
about Nicholas star Taglioni and the fact that he was
50:44
even in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the
50:47
first place. Well, one person who's still talking about it
50:51
after all of these years is one of Epstein's ex lawyers,
50:54
David Shoon. Now David Shoon is somebody who really he
50:58
doesn't take many cases. He's very selective about what he's
51:01
going to take and what he's not going to take. Well,
51:04
he was getting ready to work with Epstein to try
51:06
and spring him from the charges. But before they could
51:09
get crack in, well, Epstein ended up dead. But before
51:13
he ended up dead, he told David Shown that he
51:15
was terrified of Nicholas Tartaglioni. Yet the MCC cleared Nicholas
51:20
Tartaglioni right away after the attack and really didn't even
51:24
investigate what went down. Instead, they pitched us some bs
51:28
about Epstein attempting to kill himself, and it's just convenient
51:31
that those videos happen to be missing, right, So what
51:34
it looks like to me is you're trying to set
51:35
the tone. Well, let's say that he tried to commit
51:38
suicide once, so during the second attempt here, or him
51:42
getting murdered, whatever it might be, there's no issues because
51:46
there's already precedent for it. Right, he's already shown us
51:49
that he's suicidal. But that's not the case. And this
51:52
is the argument that I've been making from the very beginning. Look,
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anyone who knows anything about jail and having high profile
51:59
inmates in that jail, you know that you're not putting
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someone who's looking at four homicides in a jail cell
52:05
with somebody who's looking at sex trafficking charges. It's just
52:08
not going to happen. Now, you might put a jail
52:10
snitch in there with them, but you're certainly not putting
52:12
someone like Nicholas Tartaglioni in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein.
52:16
But somehow that happened here at mcc right, And not
52:20
only that screw up, but on top of that screw up,
52:23
the cameras don't work. I mean, for real, who's buying that?
52:27
That is some of the weakest bs I have ever heard,
52:30
But all these legacy media outlets sucked it up right, Oh,
52:34
the OIG report this that The other thing as if
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we can trust the investigators to investigate themselves. Me personally,
52:41
I'd much rather listen to somebody like David Shoon, who
52:44
knows what the hell's going on, who is talking to
52:46
Epstein in confidence, and who says on record that Epstein
52:50
told them that he was attacked by Nicholas Tartaglioni. Now,
52:53
why would Epstein lie to his lawyer about something like that.
52:56
It doesn't make any sense. He's not going to get
52:58
any kind of special privileges if he attempts to commit suicide.
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He's gonna be put on suicide. Watch right, things are
53:03
gonna get worse for him. So that whole entire narrative
53:07
never ever stuck with me, And guess what, all these
53:10
years later, it still doesn't. Today's article is from the
53:14
Yonkers Times, and the headline attorney says Epstein never committed suicide.
53:18
He wanted to fight the charges and get out on bell.
53:23
This article was authored by Dan Murphy. The most credible
53:26
source so far who claims that Jeffrey Epstein had no
53:29
reason to commit suicide was his criminal defense attorney, David Shoon,
53:33
who met with Epstein for hours in the days before
53:36
he is alleged to have hung himself in his jail
53:38
cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center MCC in Lower Manhattan.
53:43
And this is a story that's been out there forever.
53:45
David shown came out right away and was talking about this,
53:48
how he didn't believe that Epstein killed himself. And then
53:51
everybody runs to believe Bill Barr. Really, that dude's the
53:55
arbiter of truth that everybody's gonna listen to. We're gonna
53:57
latch onto his narrative. Huh, sorry, I don't believe a
54:01
word that dude says. And did they have some kind
54:03
of footage or evidence that puts us all to bed,
54:06
Let's see it. We haven't seen that evidence, though, have we?
54:09
Not in the OIG report and not after shown A
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solo practitioner who only accepts a few cases each year,
54:16
agreed to take Epstein's case and met with his client
54:18
at MCC several days before his death on August ninth,
54:22
leading into the tenth of twenty nineteen. Shown appearing on
54:26
the Crime Waves podcast with Declan Hill on January fifth,
54:30
said that Epstein had hired him to prepare for his
54:33
upcoming criminal trial for sex trafficking of miners and to
54:36
request beil. Does this sound like a man who was
54:39
ready to kill himself. I haven't heard one single person
54:42
tell me that Epstein was suicidal. In fact, I keep
54:46
hearing the opposite from people who were close to him
54:48
and people who knew him best. He was in pretty
54:51
good spirits. We immediately started to talk about the case
54:54
when I met with him on August first. About two
54:56
weeks earlier, there had been an incident which they initially
54:59
called at ten pH suicide but later came to no conclusion.
55:03
And I think that that is crucial. Remember they came
55:05
to no conclusion with the official narrative, but everybody just
55:09
runs with it like Epstein attempted to kill himself. It's
55:12
absolutely bananas to me. There is no way in hell
55:15
I believe that Epstein attempted to kill himself this first
55:18
time around. What happened in that jail cell the second
55:21
time around when he ended up dying, Well, that's anyone's guess.
55:25
But if you think I'm gonna believe that Nicholas Tartaglioni
55:28
had nothing to do with attacking Jeffrey Epstein that first
55:31
time around, you got another thing coming. Because this guy
55:35
is a dangerous man, someone that's capable of killing four people.
55:39
You really think he can't press Epstein for whatever reason.
55:43
I discussed it with him. It was not in any
55:45
way an attempted suicide, but he told the staff he
55:48
couldn't remember what happened because he was afraid. We met
55:51
for a total of five hours. Yo. I'm not some
55:53
punk ass bitch like Jeffrey Epstein, but I'll tell you what.
55:56
I wouldn't want to be in a jail cell with
55:58
Nicholas Tartaglioni either. The dude's a dangerous son of a bitch,
56:02
and he had no business being in a jail cell
56:05
with Jeffrey Epstein. Would they put him in with El Choppo?
56:08
Of course they wouldn't, So why are you putting him
56:10
in with Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody can give me a logical
56:14
answer to that, especially considering that what a week, two
56:18
weeks prior to him being moved into Epstein's cell, this
56:21
dude was caught with a cell phone at the facility.
56:25
Most people get now with a cell phone in jail
56:27
and they end up going into the hole. Well, this guy,
56:29
he got promoted and moved over to Epstein's wing, because
56:32
you know that's logical. July twenty third, twenty nineteen, was
56:36
the day that shown is referencing who was his cell
56:38
mate that day, Well, former briarcliff manor Cob Nicholas Tartaglioni,
56:43
who was in MCC for a quadruple homicide. Tartaglioni later
56:47
claimed that he saved Epstein from suicide, but Epstein told
56:50
shown something much different. What he said happened was that
56:54
this other inmate, Tartaglioni, had tied something around his neck
56:58
as part of some kind of exper that Jeffrey Epstein
57:01
didn't feel he was in a position to say no
57:03
to and the guy pulled the thing and left a
57:06
mark on his neck, and that was the end of it.
57:08
He didn't pass out, but it was a scary episode
57:10
for him. But it was not an attempted suicide. He
57:13
explained it to me in some details, said Sean. When
57:16
asked what Epstein was afraid of, Sean said, retaliation from
57:19
the inmate, Tartaglioni. So this is why I always say
57:23
that Tartaglioni was sent to this jail cell to send
57:26
a message to Jeffrey Epstein, and that message is either
57:29
you kill yourself or we're gonna get to you. It
57:32
doesn't matter where you are, We're gonna get to you
57:34
and who we are. I don't know. I'm not gonna
57:37
sit here and make pretend I know. I don't. What
57:39
I do know is this The official narrative is BS.
57:42
And that's why I think that my theory is probably
57:46
the strongest one considering all we know, considering what mister
57:49
Shoan has to say, I think the likeliest scenario here
57:53
is that Nicholas Tartaglioni was placed in that cell to
57:56
send a message to Jeffrey Epstein. Shoan explained that Epstein
58:00
was preparing a defense to the charges against him and
58:03
hoped to be out of the mcc on bell soon.
58:06
Suicide wasn't even in the realm of possibilities. Our entire
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meeting was based on a strategy of how to beat
58:12
the case, and he wasn't in any way depressed. We
58:15
had a trial strategy in place. If someone were planning
58:18
to take his own life, he would not have been
58:20
interested in having me help with that plan. He was
58:23
so firmly committed to moving forward with this case. Saturday,
58:27
I got the news he was dead, said Shown. I
58:30
based my conclusions that he didn't commit suicide on two things.
58:34
When I met him, his plan was to fight this thing,
58:36
and on Michael Bodden's report. His observations and conclusions and
58:40
discussions have further convinced me it wasn't suicide. He said
58:44
that in all of the thousands of autopsies he has done,
58:46
he has never seen injuries like this consistent with suicide,
58:49
said Shown. And I know that doctor Michael Bowden elicits
58:53
a lot of reaction from people, some good, some bad,
58:56
But the fact is the man knows what he's talking about.
58:58
So if you're asking me to believe doctor Boden or
59:01
the official narrative, I'm gonna believe doctor Boden. Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
59:06
the only remaining living member of his family, also has
59:09
been discussing his brother's death and referenced the Crime Waves
59:12
podcast was shown. Tartaglioni was found guilty of murdering four
59:15
drug dealers that he was partnered with. One of the
59:18
foreign murders was Martin Luna. Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna with
59:22
a zip tie. Oh sounds familiar, Huh. Strangled Martin Luna.
59:26
Jeffrey Epstein something wrapped around his neck. Nothing to see here, folks,
59:30
just keep it moving. As a result of the first
59:32
attempted suicide and the marks of Epstein's neck, Tartaglioni was
59:36
transferred out of Epstein's cell, but on the night of
59:39
Epstein's death, the cameras inside MCC were not functioning and
59:42
the guards were sleeping. Did Tartaglioni returned to epstein cell
59:46
to finish the job. If he did, what Tartaglioni got
59:50
in return is unknown. He did not receive a deal
59:52
from the Department of Justice. He is serving a life sentence.
59:56
They took the death penalty off the table, though, didn't they. Oh,
59:59
let's not forget a that bro was supposed to be
1:00:02
facing the death penalty, but that's gone and his sentencing
1:00:04
keeps getting delayed. Why is that? What are they doing here?
1:00:08
Why isn't this guy sentenced already? And as far as
1:00:11
Tartaglioni returning to the cell, I don't believe that. I
1:00:14
think he sent the message and then that message was
1:00:17
received by Epstein loud and clear, and Epstein knew that
1:00:20
if he didn't do what he did or allegedly did
1:00:23
in that jail cell, then the job would be done
1:00:26
for him. We continue to search for information about Clay Tiffany,
1:00:29
who was harassed and beaten nearly to death while Tartaglioni
1:00:32
was a Briarcliff cop. Tiffany hosted a cable access talk
1:00:36
show Dirge for the Charlatans. We are looking for copies
1:00:40
of that show. Please email us if you have tapes
1:00:43
or any information to d Murphy at Risingmediagroup dot com.
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David shown has no reason to lie about his former client.
1:00:50
It would be easier for him to remain silent, but
1:00:53
he's coming forward in an effort to reveal Epstein's true
1:00:56
mental state. In the days before he died, Epstein's attempt
1:00:59
to suicide and then his suicide appear to have taken
1:01:02
place without suicide involved. So when people say Epstein didn't
1:01:06
kill himself, this is what they mean. And it's not
1:01:09
like people are just shooting from the hip here. There
1:01:11
is a whole lot of inconsistencies on the part of
1:01:13
the official narrative that have never been explained, won't ever
1:01:17
be explained, and they expect people just to suck it
1:01:20
up and accept their narrative for what they say it is.
1:01:23
But the facts don't match up with what they're telling us.
1:01:26
And I think that it all hinges on Nicholas Tartaglioni.
1:01:30
So the question is, what was Nicholas Tartaglioni doing in
1:01:33
that jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place.
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All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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