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AEW Hot Topics | Fright Night · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0,
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  Speaker 1: all engines running.
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  Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, you know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 2: Ignition with the AEW Fan Hub Community Podcast Team. This
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  Speaker 2: is Kelson. got Fright Night, Dynamite, and Fright Night Collision
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  Speaker 2: coming up this week. Let's talk about it, of course,
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  Speaker 2: during AEW Dynamite and AEW Collision tomorrow night, Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 2: During the show, we'll be doing a live chat on
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  Speaker 2: the AEW Fan Hub subreddit. Also, after Dynamite is over,
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  Speaker 2: about 10 minutes after it's over, join Conrad Cushman and
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  Speaker 2: Derek Shelton with the everything pro wrestling podcast. That's EPW
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  Speaker 2: show at EPW show on YouTube for their Fright Night
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  Speaker 2: Dynamite review show. Guys, how's everybody doing?
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  Speaker 3: Sweet.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet. Doing good. Oh, man. You know what? Last week
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  Speaker 2: was really busy in AEW. And I guess one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest topics of discussion was Switchblade Jay White. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: He turned, you know, his back on, well, he turned
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  Speaker 2: his back on all the babyfaces. Put it that way.
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  Speaker 2: And it looks like the Bang Bang Gang and the
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  Speaker 2: Dawks have reformed together as not Bullet Club, not Bullet
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  Speaker 2: Club Gold, not the Bang Bang Gang. What was the
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  Speaker 2: name that he originally picked?
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  Speaker 3: The last outfit.
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  Speaker 2: Outfit. I keep thinking it's the last unit. which I
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  Speaker 2: think is actually a better name than the last outfit.
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  Speaker 4: Why don't they call themselves the bang, the bang, bang dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we made before collision, we made a post on
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  Speaker 2: the AEW fan up subreddit, you know, basically with this graphic,
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  Speaker 2: it was a little bit different, but it basically said,
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  Speaker 2: what's the new name going to be? And again, this
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  Speaker 2: was before collision. And a lot of people said, bang,
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  Speaker 2: bang dogs. And, uh, Of course, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: said it's got to be Bullet Club. I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you right now, nobody said The Last Outfit, which, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: by the end of Collision, I think right after Collision
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  Speaker 2: went off the air, Jay White did an off-air promo vignette,
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  Speaker 2: and they changed the name already. Yeah. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: know it's bad when they're like, oh, no, hell no,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to change it.
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  Speaker 4: It's Mina Shirakawa's music all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. They did use different music, and they
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  Speaker 2: changed it back by the end of the match, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we just had a minor miracle. I
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  Speaker 3: was not the first person on this podcast to mention
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  Speaker 3: Mina Shirakawa.
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  Speaker 2: That is true. But now it's in your head, rent-free.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, she's always in my head.
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  Speaker 2: She's always in your head. Oh, God. Man. You're the
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  Speaker 2: very definition of when they say, you need to really
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  Speaker 2: go touch grass.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely do. Unfortunately, the weather right now is crap.
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  Speaker 3: It's all dead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it is what it is. What can you say?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway....
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  Speaker 4: Let the man have his title of Mina's greatest simp
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  Speaker 4: that isn't Tony Storm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I am not a simp. I am simply
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  Speaker 3: a fan.
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  Speaker 2: No, man, you're a simp. You're a simp. You're a stan.
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  Speaker 2: You're a fan.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go with that one.
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  Speaker 2: If she was in the same state as you, you'd
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  Speaker 2: probably be a stalker. I'm not sure. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: you that well.
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  Speaker 3: She was for all in, and I did not.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't go to the airport or a hotel and
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  Speaker 2: hang out with a.
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  Speaker 3: No, I would never do that. Anyone who does that
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  Speaker 3: is a friggin' weirdo.
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  Speaker 2: With a birthday cake and a knife and say to her,
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  Speaker 2: happy birthday. I forgot the cake, though, but here's the knife.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Man, that's bad. Anyway. So, you know what? I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how you guys feel about this with Jay White
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  Speaker 2: and the whole, the cut. That's what it's called now, right?
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  Speaker 2: The cut?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Had Jay White not been injured and been able to...
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  Speaker 2: and been around for more than a couple weeks before
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  Speaker 2: this happened, maybe we would have had these guys in
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  Speaker 2: blood and guts against the Death Riders. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that was more of a possibility?
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  Speaker 3: No, because three of the Death Riders aren't going to
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  Speaker 3: be there. Oh, well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're in Japan, in New Japan, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Will Offray's the only one crazy enough to have a
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  Speaker 3: mat in Japan and then fly 15 hours to be
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  Speaker 3: in flooding dust.
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  Speaker 5: That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's not like he's flying the plane. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he can, you know, hop in the plane. He's not
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  Speaker 2: hopping on the plane. You know, that's insane if you
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  Speaker 2: hop on a plane. He hops in the plane, he
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  Speaker 2: He has plenty of experience with it. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: fall asleep. He's going to sleep the entire way. And
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  Speaker 2: then he'll get up and get into the show and
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  Speaker 2: into blood and guts and, you know, bleed and possibly
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  Speaker 2: have his guts fall out.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Chris. Chris, you know, you're the new Japan guy.
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  Speaker 4: Is there any reason why this faction couldn't call themselves
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  Speaker 4: Bullet Club something or other?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a trademark issue. I think it's one of
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  Speaker 3: those where the parent company of New Japan at that
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  Speaker 3: time holds the trademark, and they probably just don't want
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  Speaker 3: to give it up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to... Okay, Chris, you're the New Japan guy.
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  Speaker 2: When was Bullet Club formed?
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, I don't remember that. 2013, around this year.
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  Speaker 2: Val is correct. Val is correct. Bullet Club was formed
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  Speaker 2: in 2013. Second question. Who named Bullet Club and was
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  Speaker 2: first leader of Bullet Club?
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  Speaker 3: Prince Devitt. Prince Devitt, yeah. I was going to give
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  Speaker 3: the name most people probably listening to this would know
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  Speaker 3: him by, but yes, Prince Devitt, a.k.a. Finn Balor. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Finn Balor was the first... He actually did come up
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  Speaker 2: with the name, and he was the first leader. The
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  Speaker 2: second leader was, of course, if I say of course,
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing here. I think I'm right, AJ Styles, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sort of. There was a space where Karl Anderson
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  Speaker 3: was kind of considered the leader, but it's one of
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  Speaker 3: those murky things.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the extent of my entire New Japan
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  Speaker 2: pro wrestling knowledge. other than to say that most of
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  Speaker 2: the wrestlers in New Japan Pro Wrestling are Japanese. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's true. Come on.
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  Speaker 3: I'd say about 70-30. 70 being?
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  Speaker 2: Japanese.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So let me go back to this, Chris. I said
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  Speaker 2: that most of the wrestlers in New Japan Pro Wrestling
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  Speaker 2: are Japanese, and you say, no, only 70% are.
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  Speaker 3: Dude. Well, in their time, it's been closer to 50-50.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I just want.
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  Speaker 3: I ain't no mathematician, all right?
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  Speaker 2: I ain't no mathematician either. But I know 70% of
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  Speaker 2: something is a lot more than 30% of something. By, like,
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  Speaker 2: at least 60%, right? Michael. Anyway... I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: bring up the Jay White thing because people are talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. Part of it was that last outfit thing
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  Speaker 2: because that did not go over well. Oh, boy. The
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  Speaker 2: cut isn't really going over great.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: To the point where people really aren't talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: They just hated the last outfit. It just sounded like
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  Speaker 2: Jay White was some teenage girl that didn't have any
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  Speaker 2: clothes to wear to school. And she was wearing the
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  Speaker 2: last outfit that she could possibly wear.
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  Speaker 3: I saw people defending the name, I guess, way back
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  Speaker 3: in the 1930s and stuff. The games, like the Chicago
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  Speaker 3: outfit or the New York outfit or whatever. But if
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  Speaker 3: I need to be a historian to know why that
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  Speaker 3: name is okay, it's not a good name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we talked a little bit about Blood
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  Speaker 2: and Guts. We're not going to talk about, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Blood and Guts as far as storylines
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  Speaker 2: and whatnot and the winners, obviously, next week. But let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about blood and guts now, just looking at the
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  Speaker 2: teams for blood and guts. Notice that the men are
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  Speaker 2: six on six. We're going to be talking about the
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  Speaker 2: women's next. But what do you guys think of these
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  Speaker 2: teams for the men's blood and guts?
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  Speaker 3: They're very interesting teams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they sure are assemblages of guys.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, on the one side, you have the Don
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  Speaker 3: Callis family. They are a unit. There may be some infighting,
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  Speaker 3: but overall, they're going to be loyal to each other,
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  Speaker 3: unless your name's Konosuke Takeshita. On the other side, all
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  Speaker 3: of those guys have fought against each other. Well, except
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  Speaker 3: for Steve Borden. He's the wild card in the whole thing. But,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, Ospreay, the Young Bucks EVP powers. The
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  Speaker 3: Young Bucks were in a stained retirement match against Darby.
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  Speaker 3: They just beat Ed, their coping cage for the titles. Like,
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  Speaker 3: that's a team that has a lot of history, and
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if the Don Callis family exploits that.
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  Speaker 2: Good point. Go ahead, Jess.
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  Speaker 4: I say, like, where's the rest of the United States
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  Speaker 4: faction of the United Empire? Like, are Andrade and Speedball
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  Speaker 4: not available for this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? We don't know what is going
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  Speaker 2: on with the contracts. They may have stipulations of the
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  Speaker 2: contracts where they say, look, we'll do hardcore matches, brawl,
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  Speaker 2: street fights, blood and guts. but only once a year.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: We don't know what's in their contracts. This may be
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  Speaker 2: a contractual thing. It could be that they've booked time
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  Speaker 2: off or they've booked shows elsewhere because AEW allows that.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Flyboy Rex is in the chat saying,
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  Speaker 2: Salute to all my.
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  Speaker 2: Sickos. Sickos. Good to see you, Rex. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: joining in. By the way, I do want to apologize.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, we had a little bit of a technical issue,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope it's not going to happen again this week,
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  Speaker 2: where the chat was not showing up for me to read.
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  Speaker 2: And so after the show, I went back and looked.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, my gosh, I didn't see all that.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of chats that I did not see.
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  Speaker 2: And I apologize for that. If you want to chat
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  Speaker 2: with us and give your opinions on what we're saying,
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: head on over to YouTube at TheAEWFanHub is the channel.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: Go to the Live tab. You'll see this podcast there,
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: and you can actually go into the chat, and everything
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: you type there, we should be able to see, and
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: we will be able to interact with you. Back to
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  Speaker 2: Blood and Guts, though. Yeah, the Don Callis family is
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  Speaker 2: a cohesive team where the babyface team, I guess is
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  Speaker 2: the best way of putting it, is... Not really? Is
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  Speaker 2: that fair to say?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, other than, you know, Darby's going to be insane.
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  Speaker 2: Will Ospreay has already been said that he's insane for
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  Speaker 2: flying in an airplane, not on an airplane, because he'd
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  Speaker 2: fall to hell right off. Be somewhere in the... When
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  Speaker 2: you fly over from Japan, now they're going to Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: Do they fly... Would they fly over to Pacific or
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  Speaker 2: the Atlantic? Not that it matters. Who gives a crap?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know with Jacksonville, because that's in a location
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  Speaker 3: where they could go either way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, keep in mind that Will Ospreay may
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  Speaker 2: be in luxury. He may not be flying coach. He
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: may be flying on a Tony Khan private jet.
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  Speaker 5: That's the only option that I could see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because this is crazy to be there. He's probably going
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  Speaker 5: to be in Japan since Sunday. Monday, probably. Then he
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  Speaker 5: wrestles on Tuesday. And then the show finishes, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what hour over there. And then take the plane
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  Speaker 5: and go to the States.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 3: The show has a relatively early start. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: 4 p.m. in Japan. So he could wrestle... shower, change,
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  Speaker 3: and take a flight, you know, midnight.
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  Speaker 2: It's like 12 hours. Well, we don't know because it's Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, I want to move on to the women's
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  Speaker 2: blood and guts because I think these teams are a
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  Speaker 2: little bit weird. We're going to talk about the teams. Again,
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  Speaker 2: these are five on five. But in this one, again,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like the The heel team is cohesive somewhat,
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  Speaker 2: even though the Brawling... Not the Brawling Birds. Even though
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  Speaker 2: Divine Dominion has had recent troubles with Triangle of Madness.
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  Speaker 2: But when you look at the face team, the Brawling
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  Speaker 2: Birds and Wrathlander are facing each other at the pay-per-view.
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  Speaker 2: And now they're on the same team.
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  Speaker 4: Can they coexist?
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  Speaker 2: Can they coexist is right. Do you guys... Do any
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  Speaker 2: of you see that being a problem in this match?
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  Speaker 3: I honestly see more issues coming up between Divine Dominion
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  Speaker 3: and Triangle of Madness.
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  Speaker 2: In what way? I mean, do you want to explain
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  Speaker 2: yourself there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, remember, Julia did the mist and lean
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  Speaker 3: across his face very recently. Even when they did the beatdown,
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  Speaker 3: the two groups looked like they were ready to fight.
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  Speaker 3: It was just Tekla backing off. Skye and Julia, like,
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  Speaker 3: there's plenty of tension between that team as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason, I just think that they're more likely
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  Speaker 2: to work together than the Brawling Birds and Wrathlander.
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  Speaker 3: I do think one thing that's really interesting is, what,
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  Speaker 3: six of these women were in Blood and Guts last year?
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  Speaker 3: Divine Dominion, Triangle of Madness, and Willow.
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  Speaker 2: Am I forgetting anyone else? Chris Statlander and Harley Cameron
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  Speaker 2: were in Blood and Guts last year as well.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So was Marina.
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  Speaker 5: Almost exactly the same team as last year.
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  Speaker 2: Well, last year's team.
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  Speaker 5: Mercedes was in it, I remember.
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  Speaker 2: Mercedes was in it. Marina Shafir was in it. Tony
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  Speaker 2: Storm was in it. And Mina Shirakawa was in it.
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  Speaker 2: So those four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, last year was six on six.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the heel team won when basically they threatened
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  Speaker 4: Tony's wife.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But anyway, I mean, I actually like that it's
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  Speaker 2: five on five. I really do, which means tomorrow night
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  Speaker 2: they'll add one to each team. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just had this observation that both the men's
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  Speaker 4: and the women's blood and guts match have a mismatched
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  Speaker 4: hodgepodgey face team that that could work together fine because
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  Speaker 4: they each have the element of being held together by
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  Speaker 4: a charismatic care bear of a human being that both
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  Speaker 4: teams could rally around. Will in the men's case and
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  Speaker 4: Willow in the women's case.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say Sky Blue.
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  Speaker 4: Sky Blue's a murder care bear, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say Harley Cameron.
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  Speaker 4: That works too.
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  Speaker 2: Think about, when you look at the face team here,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Alex Windsor really hasn't been around long enough,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: but when you look at the face team, Jamie Hayter,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Statlander, Harley Cameron, and even Willow Nightingale were heels
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  Speaker 2: at one point, you know, so. Willow?
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  Speaker 4: When was Willow a heel? I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she was a heel, asshole, whatever. You know, she
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  Speaker 2: did some rotten stuff with Chris Statlander, too, you know?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a.
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  Speaker 3: Back and forth. We're noting there's four former women's world
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  Speaker 3: champions in this match. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, this could be a good match, but
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I want to move on because I forget who made
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the suggestion. You'll have to tell me who did it,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: but somebody wanted to talk about the women's tag team situation. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the thing. And this kind of relates to
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  Speaker 2: Blood and Guts. Of course, at full gear, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be getting Alex Windsor and Jamie Hayter to Brawling
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  Speaker 2: Birds against Rathlander, Chris Statlander, and Harley Cameron for the
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  Speaker 2: AEW Women's World Tag Team Championship. They're both on the
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  Speaker 2: same team 10 days earlier in Blood and Guts. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: And I hate to say this. I'm hoping I'm not
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  Speaker 2: coming off really bad. But if you look at the
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  Speaker 2: Blood and Guts team, And I'm going to go back
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  Speaker 2: to the blood and guts graphic real quick. Look at
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  Speaker 2: the baby face team that's blood and guts right now.
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  Speaker 2: All right? And tell me, how many of them have
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  Speaker 2: been injured this year?
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  Speaker 3: I think everyone but Alex Windsor.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone but Alex Windsor. So you're going into a blood
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  Speaker 2: and guts team with, and I hate to say this,
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  Speaker 2: but Jamie Hayter is a glass cannon. She gets hurt
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  Speaker 2: all the time. I'm going to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: After Blood and Guts, I would be shocked if this
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: match at full gear between the Brawling Birds and Wrathender
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  Speaker 2: goes on. I hope I am wrong, but based on
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  Speaker 2: the bug that has hit these women I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean there's cause for concern.
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  Speaker 2: There's cause for concern is right now you know Chris
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to talk about what's next for the AEW
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  Speaker 2: women's tag team division what's next is they got to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: stay healthy I really do believe that AEW blood and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: guts is fine, but they've got to stop doing Chicago
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: street fights and build up your brawls and Boston beer
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: battles and whatever the hell else you could do.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Leave my Boston beer battles alone.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, they're setting these women up to get injured,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and they're getting injured. And I don't like that. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: want to see them wrestle. Look at the tag teams
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that have been brawling birds. They've been basically... put on hold.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, they missed the last pay-per-view because of injury.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Haiyan and Maya World. Maya World is injured. Or she was.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: But it's completely too many injuries in the AEW women's division.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And I understand that they've got to wrestle. They've got
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to perform. But at least don't put them in matches,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, don't put them in matches that have
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a higher risk or a higher reason for concern, as
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Chris put it. I mean, do you guys have a
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: differing opinion than I do on this? I don't know.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with you on that. Like, I think
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: one issue with AEW, sometimes they rely too much on
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the street fights and, you know, the plunder matches as
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: they are. Like, it's not always needed. Like, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I love the trios match the pay-per-view going two out
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of three falls. Like I don't want to see them
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: do Texas desk. I like the two out of three falls,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: like make it more wrestling. Like I understand there's times
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: and places for the hardcore stuff, but sometimes it's leaned
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: on a little too much. And especially with the women's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: tag division, there isn't enough depth right now. So like
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: when you have, multiple women getting injured, and they're part
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of tag teams, that depth just gets lower and lower,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: and it's like, are the titles even needed? Because, what,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: there's five teams?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think, and this is for everybody, do you
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: think that with the AW Women's Tag Team Division that
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: AW needs to pull more from, like, CMLL and Stardom
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: to come in and actually have meaningful matches, and maybe
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: even a title change.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Just to keep it fresh.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. But Pogoma and Suzuki
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: are teaming up with.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about that later, so let's not.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Talk about that now.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's plenty of teams in CMLL, and there's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: plenty of teams in Stardom. The only thing is, is
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: that If you're bringing those teams in and they're never winning,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: then it's pointless.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then why do we care?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Right. So, Jess, Val, do you have any opinions on that,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: as far as bringing teams in from elsewhere?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, that'd be fun. I have no problem with that
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: at all. I love getting to know new faces that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen before, broadening my horizons a bit. Although
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I will say, Chris, I think you may have had
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: the opposite of the intended effect. I don't think we've
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: ever had a women's Texas death match, and now I
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: want to see one.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Will say this. If it works for the story, if
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it's the right story, the right women, it could be amazing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: But that's one of those matches. It has to be
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: for all the right reasons and the right people. Because
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: not everyone can do that kind of math.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Right. And they can't get sloppy if they're not the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: right people. So, Val, do you have any opinions on this?
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: I agree with everybody. The tag team division on the
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: women's side needs to be a little bit more elevated
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: and to bring people from Stardom and CMLL that we
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: haven't seen before. It's a good idea to help the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: product a little bit more. I want to see more.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm a big proponent for women's wrestling.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I want to see women's wrestling. I don't want to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: see five-on-five trios matches constantly. I want to see singles matches,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: meaningful singles matches, and I want to see meaningful tag
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: team matches. But you've got to keep the women healthy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: The women's division in AEW, when you look at the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: actual active wrestlers, it's really not that. deep aew really
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: needs more wrestlers and unfortunately uh i mean you've got
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: women that are better known in to be wrestling in
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: ring of honor like athena red velvet zeta steel etc
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: uh they need to be bringing these women in and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: yeah and and they need to Bring the veterans in,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, bring the veteran women to AEW, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Ring of Honor should be developmental for the younger talent.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: My husband's a huge Athena fan, and it's of his opinion,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: and I agree with him, that she's long since outgrown
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Ring of Honor.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that if you posted that question,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: has Athena outgrown Ring of Honor? I think you would
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: get a lot of people in agreement with you. I'm
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: not saying a majority.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I think it would be a resounding, yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You want to throw a percentage on that, genius?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. About 73-27. Okay.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Now, is that more or less than the opposing?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kidding.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Hold on, let me bust out the evidence.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: There you go. Well, it's dark out right now because
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it's nighttime, so you can't check the sundial. Let's move
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: on to the men's tag team. And people are going
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to probably be a little bit upset at me. Now,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I watched the first match in this Best of Five
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: series between the Motor City Machine Guns and FDR, which
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: has no championship stipulations on it as far as I know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: The winner of this series doesn't get a title shot.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: At least that's not what they said, right? They never
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: said that. I mean, it's safe to assume that they would,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: but nobody's ever said that the winner of this series
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: gets a title shot, have they?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Nope.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's just for bragging rights.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing. I've said this before, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'll say it again. Having banger matches for the sake
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of having banger matches is absolutely unnecessary and worthless, in
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: my opinion. And the reason why I say that is
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: because you can put pretty much everything And I have
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: so much respect for the entire AEW roster that you
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: could put, you know, maybe even like 73%, 27% split.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You could put 73% of the randomly put them together
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and they're going to have a banger match. Because that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: just what AEW does. It's where the best wrestlers are.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You know, plug, plug, plug.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Or the best and Chris Jericho wrestle.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I can think of somebody else, but I'm not
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: going there. So I watched the first match, which was
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: on Dynamite last week. And then the second match was on.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Collision.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And I could not focus on this match. I was like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: what's the point of watching this match when you know
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night this is Fright Night Dynamite. They're facing each
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: other for match three. Does it matter who wins?
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: Just for your information, Kelson, the first match was the
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: last pay-per-view, not Dynamite.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. But anyway, tomorrow night, they're wrestling the third match.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Does it matter who wins this match?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, because the winner gains momentum going into the next
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: match and could win the whole series.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So you're telling me that whoever wins, let's just hypothetically
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: say Motor City Machine Guns wins tomorrow night.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: As they should.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Okay. So the next match, I haven't heard that announcement.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be on Collision, Bright Night Collision? No,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it can't be because it's being taped. They're not going
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to have it. So it's going to probably be next
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: week on Dynamite. They're going to have maybe Blood and Guts,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: maybe Collision, whatever. But my point is, is that let's
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: say tomorrow night on AEW Dynamite, Motor City Machine Guns wins.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Is there any chance in hell that they win the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: next match and make it a 3-1 win?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Probably not. But in a game phase sense... They absolutely could.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: This is one of those instances where maybe don't be
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: so analytical and just, you know.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Enjoy good wrestling. Exactly.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I can't enjoy good wrestling when the matches make no
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: sense and the matches make no sense. I can tell
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you right now, if Motor City Machine Guns wins on
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Dynamite tomorrow night, The next match, whenever it happens, it's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: going to be FTR winning, and it's going to go
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to winner takes all on the fifth and final match,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: just like every other series that AEW has ever done
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: has done.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I've used this example like 97 times, and you still
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: don't get it. I know Superman is going to beat
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Lex Luthor, but I enjoy seeing how he does it
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and what he goes through before doing that. Predictability doesn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: mean bad. You know, I want the hero to win.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: It feels like you get so caught up on this, oh,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I know what's going to happen, so it sucks. No,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: enjoy the in-between.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying, when I've said this 97 times,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: predictability is not always bad until it is. When everything
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: is predictable, when there's no chance that anything is going
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to happen and you're proven right that this is going
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: to go fine to the fifth match, And if Tony
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Khan was smart, he wouldn't have it go to the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: fifth match just so that you could throw a wrench
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: into all this. We just had the qualifying matches for
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the clockwork carnage thing. We all knew who was going
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to win those matches. It was maybe one match that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: was somewhat in doubt, but it all went down exactly
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the way pretty much everybody in the community thought they
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: were going to go down. And we knew that, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: ultimately we knew that Will Ospreay was going to win
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the Clockwork Carnage match. It takes away from the enjoyment
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: of it when you're watching years of something that is
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: completely predictable. When you know what's going to happen, it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a bad thing. I'm sorry.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Anybody with a working brain and sense of, like, what
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: was going on knew that Will Ospreay was going to
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: win the title at all in. Was it, but was
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: it still an incredible match? That is something that I'm
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: glad I saw and would see and enjoyed watching and
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: would watch again anytime. Yes.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Like, Sometimes I feel like people get so caught
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: up on the end of the story, they forget to
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: enjoy everything else along the way.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying, though. What I'm saying is
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: that you can't tell me that you would not have
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: enjoyed that match at all in between Osprey and Kenny
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Omega if you didn't know who the winner was ahead
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of time. You would have enjoyed it more if you
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, Kenny could actually win. There was no
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: way Kenny was winning that match. But if there was
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a chance that Kenny could win that match, that would
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: have made the match even better.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I guess when I'm watching, I try to set aside
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: my analytical brain as much as possible and just go
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: into fan mode and just be like, you know what?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'm 98% sure I know what's going to happen. But
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: that 2%, man, that's all I need to still enjoy
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it and say, okay, I was wrong.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say this. I don't know who is
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: going to win this series between Motor Seated Machine Guns
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: and FTR. So I am looking forward to the fifth match.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: But as far as match number three and match number four,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care at all about those matches. Let's just
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: get to the fifth match. That's the only thing I
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: care about. The only thing I care about on match
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: three and four is that nobody gets hurt. And that's it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Because they don't matter. Matches three and four don't matter.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion. And I'm sticking to it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm sticking to mine that I enjoy watching great
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: wrestlers wrestle.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: And I agree with Chris, so I'll stick with him.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you, too, that I enjoy watching
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: great wrestlers wrestle. I'm just saying that it's insulting and
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: stupid to know who's going to win or where it's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: going to end up way ahead of time. Why would
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you promote? We had this going on with the Owen
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Hart tournament. We knew when did Will Ospreay come back?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: In Revolution this year, I believe it was. We knew
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: from Revolution until All In that Will Ospreay was winning
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the AEW World Championship at All In. It would have
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: been so much better if we didn't know that. We
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: knew that Brawling Birds were going to win. We knew
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: most of the matches.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: I didn't know Mercedes was going to win the Owen
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Hart and knowing and not knowing that didn't make me
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: like it anymore.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Well that, I mean, that's fine. You know, and I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: respect that, you know, your opinion I'm just saying is that,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and I've said this many times, banger matches for the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: sake of having banger matches, AW can do that in
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: its sleep. They can have banger matches. It doesn't matter
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: if there's a title involved. It doesn't matter if there's,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: if it's face against face, heel against heel, It doesn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: matter who it is. Most of the times you put
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: any two wrestlers with veteran experience in the ring, AEW
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: is going to put on a banger match. It just
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: sucks to me that you know who's going to win
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: when you go into those matches.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: That just explains why I thought that Darby's title reign
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: was a ton of fun and you hated it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I wish it never happened. That was an insult. I agree.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That was so pathetic.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I agree. I didn't hate it nearly as much as
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: you do, but if Kenny was always the plan to
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: face off all in, it would have been better for
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: him to beat MJF at the pay-per-view. Dynasty. Three days
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: before Darby won the title. You could have just had
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: a nice Kenny Omega run.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, my point is that I like Darby Allin.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And I want him to be world champion. That was
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: not a world championship reign.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That was insulting to me. It was insulting.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: It was a Darby Allin title reign. Defend the title
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: over and over and over. Burn the candle at both ends.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And burn out in a big match against the top
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: tier opponents.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: It made perfect sense. And we got a whole bunch
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: of really good matches out of it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And the way I thought about it was this, when
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: you look at Darby Allen's reign, he, he wrestled on
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: every show and they were not squash matches. I did
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the math at one point, I believe he wrestled. How many,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: how many matches did he wrestle defending defenses? I think
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: it was five.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Uh, Yeah, that sounds right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It added up to 120 minutes of wrestling on Dynamite
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and Collision that he himself did. That's one entire show
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: dedicated in five shows. That's one show was Darby Allin. Okay, great.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: You could also argue one show was the world heavyweight title.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But it didn't matter because you knew exactly what was
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going to happen. My point is, I would have much
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: rather seen three women's matches than one Derby match. I
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: would have much rather seen three other men's matches than
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: one Derby match. That's what I'm saying, is that when
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you have a world title match, it doesn't matter when
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: it's a bad story. And that was, in my opinion,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: and I respect people that disagree with me, I think
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that it was a terrible story. Speaking of Derby Allin,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: He's going to be wrestling Josh Alexander on AEW, Fright
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Night Dynamite, tomorrow night for the TNT Championship. And I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: have to say, Josh Alexander came out on Collision, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I rather enjoyed his in-ring promo. Very passionate. Kind of scary.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: You know, and I honestly think he could win the title.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, I hope so.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Again, I like Darby... I like Darby. I like Josh Alexander.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: What I like even more is going into this match.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: We don't know who's going to win the title. This
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about. This is going to be
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: a banger match that actually has a seed of doubt
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: in it where you don't know. what the result is
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: going to be. And I hope to God that before
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the match that Darby Allin, that Tony Khan doesn't announce
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that Darby Allin is defending the TNT championship against, I
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, Kyle Fletcher at Full Gear, because then you
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: do know who's going to win the match. So, But
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: this match, I'm excited for.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I really like Alexander. He's very underrated.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Very. Very.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Very.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it. But again, the point is,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Josh Alexander could win this match. Darby Allin could win
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: this match. We don't know. And that's more important to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: me than having a banger match where you know who's.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Going to win.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, so let me pose a little question for you.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Would you rather have an incredible match that you know
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: what the ending is, or an absolute slot match that
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: you can't predict the ending of?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: An absolute slot match that I can't predict the ending of.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I'm that adamant about it. I don't want to be
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: able to mindlessly look at a card and say, that
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: person's going to win, that person's going to win, that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: person's going to win, that person's going to win, you know, etc.,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: and be right all the time. I want surprises. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: when I say slop match, when you say slop match,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that when you put any two veterans
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in a match together that they're going to have a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: slop match unless something happens. It's still going to be,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it may not be a banger by definition. It may
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: not be a Meltzer five-star, six-star Tokyo Dome match, but
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it will be at least something a three-and-a-half or a
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: four-star match, or even a three-star match. I would much
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: rather have a three-star match than a five-star meaningless match.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: You get Viscera versus Yoshitatsu. That's the match you get.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: That is the world-famous Lord Yoshitatsu.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. My bad. Again, this is an inside joke. I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: should explain it to people. We had a a member
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: of our Discord, and he's been on several subreddits as well.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what his issue is, but everything he
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: posts is about the world-famous Yoshitatsu.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: That's all he posts about. Lord Yoshitatsu.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Get it right. Yeah, whatever. The most annoying human being
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: on the planet, and so we make fun of him
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: all the time because he's been banned from so many places.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And I believe he's on his 11th or 12th Reddit
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: account because he's been banned.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I thought he was on 14 by now.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I haven't looked him up lately, but yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: he's got, you know.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: If it's a bit, he's very committed to it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: He is, he is by committed to it. He should
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: be committed. It's, I don't know. It's just funny to me.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, The guy stays in character. Let's put
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it that way. I am sure that he has yet
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: another account where he's just, I don't know, Steve, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: he acts normal. I don't know. No, I.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Really hope so.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: God, it's just, it is bad. I mean, and if
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: he's listening in right now, you can go on to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: one of his, he's created so many subreddits for world
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: famous people. lord yoshitatsu as well uh he'll be posting
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: f kelson f aw phantom he's done it so many
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: times before not just for aw phantom but for the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: new japan pro wrestling sub and squared circle and ada
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: i don't think he's done aw official but he's done
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: several different subreddits too he's just he's just a If
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he's trying to get people to actually like Yoshitatsu, he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: going about it the wrong way.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. He's our 74th most important hater.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Dude was literally campaigning super hard to have the world
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: famous Lord Yoshitatsu. It's like a tribe called Quest. Just
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: say the whole thing. Uh... to beat Tanahashi's final match
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: and was devastatedly furious when that was shockingly not the case.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was that absolute nobody that they got
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to wrestle him. What's his name? Some kid. What's his
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: name that wrestled in this final match? Kazuchika Okada or
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: something like that?
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Some rookie that nobody's ever heard of.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Some guy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Great hair, though.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great hair. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's just... I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. But anyway. Yeah, back to the match. Darby
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Allin and Josh Alexander. How many of you really... When
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you really look at it, how many of you want
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Josh Alexander?
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of would. I would, too. Very. I mean.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's... It kind of goes in the story
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: where The Don Calvis family, who's had its ups and downs,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: they're now starting to collect belts again. And, you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I would not mind Darby
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Allin retaining here, but I also wouldn't mind seeing Josh
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Alexander take the TNT title. It would definitely give him
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: a push, and he deserves it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I can say that. Yeah, and he's definitely one of
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: those guys, you know, I'd like to see him wrestle
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: every week. Dynamite or Collision, you know? And that's what
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the TNT title is perfect for. It's perfect for giving
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: a talented workforce a push and letting him defend that
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: title regularly.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we got another match tomorrow night on AEW Dynamite.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe to a lesser extent, but I think that Queen
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Dominata has a shot against Persephone for the AEW TBS Championship.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I really like her.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: She's She's grown on me so much.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely think she has a shot and wouldn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: be surprised if she wins.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I still think chocolate kisses is a really dumb move, though.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Just hit somebody with your butt really hard.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And they're slapping her cheeks to make the sound. There
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: was somebody that took the move, and I can't remember
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: who it was, but I think it was in the
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. And they didn't slap her butt
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: as she was taking the move. And it actually looked
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: like a good move by not doing that. But I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's so many wrestling tropes like that where,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: you know, slapping the thighs and slapping this and slapping that.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That looks so obvious it takes away from the move.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: But I don't really have a problem with the move.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: It's just I have a problem with the people that
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: are taking the move and what they do.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: So your neck twists on the good old hip attack.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean... So, Persephone. You know, the thing about
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Persephone is that people lose sight of is that she's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: very young. She's got her whole career in front of her.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: She's already the CMLL Women's Champion. She's the TBS Champion.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: She could stand to lose one of these belts.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, she's had a good run with
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: this idol.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: If she loses tomorrow night, she can definitely come back
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: at the pay-per-view for a rematch. Yeah. So, I wouldn't
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have a problem. One thing I do want to say,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and this is nitpicky as hell, for the people that
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: are looking at this graphic, whoever is in the AEW
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: graphics department, when they do graphics for Queen Amanata, they
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: make her head absolutely gigantic in a lot of her graphics.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: They actually did a good job here. So kudos to
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the graphics designer here for not making her block out
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the moon, so to speak, with her gigantic head. I mean,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: my God. Yeah, so there you go. That's my pat
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: on the back. I don't know. I kind of see
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Persephone winning this match, to be honest with you.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the Brit factor will get involved.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one, if I'm giving odds, I'm going
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: to go 51 Persephone, 49 Queen Alminato. I honestly think
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: it's that close.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's close, too. I think it's, I think,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I think the Josh Alexander and the Darby Allin match
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: are really close. Jess, you brought up a really good point,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the Britt factor meeting the Britt Baker factor. Could get
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: down to the point where Britt Baker says to Persephone,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the only reason you're still TBS champion is because of me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Sounds like something she'd do, that tracks.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, boom, instant non-title feud. Because for Stephanie,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: maybe it's not this match, maybe it's at the pay-per-view,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: she loses the title. Like, maybe tomorrow night Britt Baker
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: helps her win, and at the pay-per-view, Britt Baker goes
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: to help again, and it backfires. And then, boom, instant
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: fight between them. Like, you were only champion because of me.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you cost me the title it's so easy to do
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and Persephone is one of those wrestlers I think people
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: will hear her against a real heel like a Britt
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Baker but they would boo her against a stronger face
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: yeah Absolutely.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jess.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, like, it will be
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: a pity when they start inevitably start feuding, though, because
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I I really like their mean girl chemistry. It's very fun.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I was going to say when it comes to Britt Baker,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: remember what was a couple of weeks ago, she was
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: on commentary commentary and she was dry and she was
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: just awful. And then she was on commentary again, what
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: was it, last week? And she was hysterical. She was great.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, what happened in a week or two there?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I got to give props to Britt Baker for doing
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: well on commentary. Yeah, she actually, she was, she was,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: she had me rolling on a couple, some of the
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: things she said, you know, so, you know, that was good.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Let's move on then to our last segment, and that
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: is AEW Fright Night Collision, a match between the Triangle
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of Madness and I believe they're called the Trinity. Hazuki, Kaguma,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: and Fubu-chan are going for the Artist of Stardom Championship.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, Triangle of Madness has the title. Again, this
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: one is kind of unpredictable. Do you see the Stardom Women?
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: taking the Triangle of Madness and taking their belts on Collision?
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to say it. Koguma! Koguma! Koguma! I
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: love Koguma. Like, I haven't seen a lot of her,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: but it took one clip to just, like, she was
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: instantly someone I'm like, I want to see so much
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: more of her. She's so fun and entertaining. I don't
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: see them taking the titles in this, but I think
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: it'll be a really good match and it'll be really close.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: And this will be one of those where I'll be
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: a little surprised if they win, but I won't be
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: incredibly shocked.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: You want to know something interesting that I sort of observed?
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I don't, like, I can't really speak for Julia and
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Sky because they wear theirs. But I don't think Tecla
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: really cares that much about holding the belts for their
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: own sake, but will fight for them out of spite
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: because she hates Stardom so much. She rarely ever wears hers.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't even realize that her belt was red until
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I saw her wear it the one time, like I
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: think it was last week.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Tecla was also formerly an Artist of Stardom
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: champion when she was in Stardom, so.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. Val, what is your opinion on this?
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know two-thirds of stardom, so it's very
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: difficult for me to do an opinion about it. I'll
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: go and watch the match and then I'll see what
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: comes next.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give a brief synopsis of the stardom
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: women for the people here.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, please do for the Joshi impaired.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: For the Joshi impaired. First of all, first and foremost,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: in the last segment, I complimented the AEW graphics team
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: for getting Queen Aminata right. I don't know what the
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: hell they were thinking when they did this one for Hazuki.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, she looks like she's in a funhouse mirror
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to me. That's just a weird renders. Kaguma, if you're
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: looking at this graphic, Kaguma is on her left. If
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: you notice, Kaguma's hands are up on either side of
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: her head. The reason for that is those are supposed
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to be bear ears. Kaguma thinks she's a bear. She
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: does a bear dance. It's all in good fun. Do
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: the bear dance. she does the bear dance when she gets,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: she'll get her opponent into position where her, it's almost
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: like a camel clutch position. And then she will put
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: her hands up against her head, their heads to give
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: them bear ears. It's not a finishing move by any means,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: shape or form. It's just something cute that she does.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And it's hysterical watching her because she will do this
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: to the women of hate and And they always break
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: up laughing. They have so much fun with this. She
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: does a bear dance and the women, her opponents will
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: do a bear dance and then she'll just smack them
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: across the face, you know, in the middle. It's just
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: one of those things. You can't trust her. Fuwa-chan, by
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the way, Kaguma is also Suzuki's longtime tag team partner. Okay. Fuwa-chan,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: who is on the right, is a rookie. But she's very,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: very good. In fact, she just beat Julia Hart in stardom.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Fuichan is a comedian, but she's dead serious in the ring.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: She doesn't goof around in the ring. She is a really,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: really good wrestler, trained by Hazuki. So the thing that
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: you have to watch, I hope they give Fuichan a microphone,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: because she's fairly fluent in English. But she purposely speaks
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: English in an American accent. And it's somewhere, I would
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: put it somewhere between Alabama and Texas, her accent that
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: she uses. It's hysterical. And she loves doing it. And
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: it's hysterical. I just hope they give her to Mike.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Fuichato is really, really, really good. One of
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the things, and I'm going to say this, I visit
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of the Joshi subreddits and communities, and a
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: lot of people are upset about Triangle of Madness taking
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the Artist of Stardom belts. And also upset that they don't,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: they're not defending those belts. Now, they did defend the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: belts in Stardom once. Here's the thing about the Artist
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: of Stardom Championships. In the last three or four years,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: it's simply not defended. It's not one of those belts
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: that's defended. The last, if you go look it up,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: the vast majority of the people, of the teams that
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: have held the belt since 2023 have had two title defenses.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: And the belt has changed hands like twice during the year.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: So you're looking at a total of like four to
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: six matches a year. for these belts that's not a
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: whole heck of a lot and that's been consistent so
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: this will be the second title defense for Triangle Madness
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: so that kind of tells me that Triangle Madness is
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: probably going to win this match but they will then
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: go to stardom and lose it that's what my thought
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: is but I would not be the other thing that
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I think may be may be a cause for Triangle
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Madness to win this match is that it is being
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: taped on tomorrow night show. And it's very rare that
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: you see a title change hands, even though it's not
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: an AEW titles that may not matter, but you, you,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very rare. You see a title change
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: hands on Wednesday, but the episode isn't aired until Saturday.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So I don't know. I mean,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: there's always a chance, but again, we talked about this
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: earlier with the women's, uh, blood and guts with the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: women's tag team championships. I, I like that they're bringing
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: women in from CMLL and stardom.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would love to see, uh, Suzuki and Koguma do,
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: do some, uh, tag matches here and there. Cause they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: a really fun tag team. Yeah.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, bring anybody from Hayden, anybody from the hate faction.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Stardom is a very faction, faction based team. Uh, Rina,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: who we've seen several times in AEW as part of hate.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Momo Watanabe, who wrestled Mercedes Monet about, what was it,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: two years ago? I think it was at WrestleDream two
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: years ago. She's part of hate. So there have been
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: hate members that have wrestled in AEW not more often
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: than Rina, but Yeah, I mean, bring those women over.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: They're quality wrestlers. They're quality wrestlers. You're going to get
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: banger badges. So, that's all I'm saying there. So, anyway,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: that is the show for this week. We will be
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: back next Tuesday where we will be talking... about blood
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: and guts so who knows maybe we'll have another two
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: women added to the women's blood and guts between now
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: and next week you know it's a possibility so anyway
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night 8.45 p.m. Eastern Time on YouTube X or Facebook.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: But if you're on YouTube, you can actually interact with us.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: And we look forward to seeing you again next Tuesday night.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: So for the AEW Fan Hub community podcast team, this
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: is Kelson. Good night, everybody.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Good night, Kenny.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Good night, Amy Kingston.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Good night, Minas, your power.