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  The program of the platform for renewable fuels is renewable very good afternoon. We
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  continue to make progress in our process of disseminating knowledge about these renewable fuels and
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  that is a contribution to decarbonization. We are clear that for all aspects of
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  transport, as we did last week with light transport, it is also key,
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  not just for the air or the sea. So we were going to
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  address another important point, the contribution of these fuels to rural Spain. Those
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  areas in which electric chargers do not abound and where it is common to see
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  retractors operating on roads, on the streets and, unfortunately, in which the
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  mobile park also does not stand out for being a young age. In addition,
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  the contribution of these fuels has an important second aspect: because they are
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  agricultural areas, it can also increase demand for certain raw materials and waste,
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  which contributes to enhancing what is called the circular economy. All of this,
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  we are going to talk here in the next few minutes in Renewable Mobility,
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  the platform program for renewable fuels, and we are going now directly with our
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  different renewable mobility terturaa, with Miguel San Martín, and we are going to
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  introduce our guests. We have Nacho Rabada in it is the general director of
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  the Spanish Confederation of Station Entrepreneurs from the service a Q cho, as very
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  good as we are. Oda Miguel Thank you very much, very good this
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  juana Armanza that is the General Coordinator of Asaha, Juan Cadal Very good.
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  Thank you very much, José Ramón Feliz de Director General y fundador de la
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  Asociación Española del Río de Tanol. He saw how it was, José Ramón,
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  very good, good morning and as always inés Cardenal, who is the
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  spokesperson for the platform for renewable fuels. And how about, very good,
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  how about, my good afternoon that we' re going to get a little
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  on the agenda. Yes, I think we were going to touch on one
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  of the most interesting issues, one of the greatest opportunities presented by betting on
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  renewable fuels. On the one hand, to meet the needs as you said
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  of a rural Spain, Spain emptied. How they are usually called not to
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  find in electrification covered all the needs they have, but also a huge opportunity
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  to integrate the value chain of agriculture, livestock with the production of renewable fuels
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  and a huge opportunity to create an industry in which, as we have talked
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  in other programs, Spain can be the leader. So it' s a
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  very, very interesting program, because we started from the agricultural side, to
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  see Juan how the situation is a little bit and what is a little problem
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  that farmers can find. With Let us say the technological exclusion that can be
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  produced complements the objectives of the marked Roadmap. Miguel I want to thank you
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  first for bringing us this programme, because the agricultural sector can say its opinion.
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  We' re an actor, I think we' re leading on this
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  topic and I really like being able to say a little bit. There is
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  a feeling that the farmer is the one who pollutes, he is the one
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  who does everything wrong in the field, and I think we are very wrong,
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  that is, on the issue of decarbonization. Surely the agricultural sector has
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  evolved the most and it is surely the one that first has a neutral carbon
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  charge balance. We have replaced, by necessity, all diesel engines with electric
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  engines, absolutely throughout Spain, where you can, simply for a reason of
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  cost, and we have a very interesting evolution in that. And we are
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  also fixing carbon with our crops, we are participating in all biofuel projects and
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  in all projects that can contribute to decarbonizing the sector. And we have evolved
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  a lot, but we have a fundamental problem. I mean, we can
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  get as far as we can get. We can install photovoltaics or we can
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  install plates or electricity where we can when we want to put electricity in engines
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  above villages, from the village line up, because it turns out that there
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  is no sun And if we are watering and if we run out of sun,
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  we can not give away, that is, we have to have very
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  well. We' re gonna have as much power as we can. We
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  are going to do it very well, because it interests us too, but
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  obviously we still need liquid fuels, because somehow the process cannot be changed immediately.
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  We can' t say tomorrow we' re going to work with an
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  electric tractor. In my head there is not yet a tractor that can remedy
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  the needs of the field. We need increasingly powerful tractors, cost- cutting
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  tractors and electric tractors. We haven' t arrived in the rest of the
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  way yet, because look against all odds. The electric car is being used
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  quite well by farmers. It' s a pretty good one. This is
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  relative, very relativistic, but it has room within the octor, because the
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  farmer does not make large distant, that is, he is among his provincial
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  capital, his lands, return and such and all have in the ship a
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  point of lumen to be able to load. I mean, I don'
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  t want to go too far, but it' s in the initial situation
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  of what we believe. We very much agree on decarbonizing, but we are
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  super interested in liquid fuels not leaving. We have no infrastructure of any kind
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  in the villages and that surely seventy- eight percent of the towns of Spain
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  have no charging point. Now we talk about the contribution that you make to
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  the filling stations, but also you send is a little compatible of the two
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  things. Not that we can continue to supply liquid combistibles, but at the
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  same time help farmers, because we can also increase this economic activity with the
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  use of waste or other raw materials to produce them. Yes, indeed,
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  we live and understand that the transition of traditional refining normally located in industrial zones,
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  in ports and processing raw materials that come from outside, makes us dependent.
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  In the face of this, there is a bio- refin that is
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  located in rural areas, which is a rural industry. Therefore, it is
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  a rural industry that has much in common with what the farmer has done all
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  her life, which is to make alcohol what happens, which is to make
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  alcohol in an industrial way. It is an industry that processes raw materials sustainably,
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  It is an industry that would give additional demand to the products of the
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  field. The field you right now in your own field has a product.
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  A very important problem is because, with raw materials, it cannot compete with
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  the field of other countries, where the hand of the soil is cheaper,
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  with which we need to bring the industry closer together to value those products from
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  the European field. And that can be done by finding additional demands, finding
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  additional crops and demands. And another problem that the European field has is that
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  the livestock that field products demand demands an increasing concentration of protein in plants.
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  That' s causing the imported soy to be displacing our cereals. If there
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  is an industry located in the rural environment that concentrates the protein of the cereals
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  and takes away the energy to carry the biotanol. We would have a biorefin
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  industry that produces food for our livestock, which makes it more difficult in the
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  future to relocate it, because it is going to be relatively simple if we
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  do not have soybeans in Europe, that livestock is produced where soy is,
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  with which to do without achieving independence, not only energy, but also food
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  is vital and for that we have to industrialize the mole. That is what
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  we promote from the Spanish station, biotanol, bio- refining raw materials,
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  sustainable European and received to achieve energy and food independence. Look good. Either
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  saw the beginning of the Ukrainian War or raised the cereals. The drought problem
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  came together clearly and the cost of feeding livestock was multiplied by astronomer figures.
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  No, Juan, yes, I' m good. I totally agree that
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  one says, José Ramón, totally agree. We are already participating in many
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  projects with oil companies and with some fertilizers to be able to reach, that
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  is, to make the circular economy that you say, in order to be
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  able to locate And, above all, and there is one important thing,
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  this I do want. We want to have the role within the biorefine,
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  a role that we deserve. We are not exactly producers of crude oil,
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  but we are producers, I would say, of their waste products, but
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  their products which can be, in other words, which can greet them.
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  We can benefit each other, but what I would like is for us not
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  to be the tail of the lion, but simply to be together for one
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  thing that is good, for the whole of your producers and ours, of
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  course, so that we are an orchestra, that we go, that we
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  have a part of the benefit, that we can somehow. I do not
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  know whether with a fixed subsidy or improving the Pak or putting a price that
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  guarantees us, that guarantees us to be able to produce, that it does
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  not happen to us what happened before with vegetable oils, that yes according to
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  the first thing is the food, but we plan a very good production and
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  then, in the end it can be that if there is one I mean,
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  this is what I always call, whenever I am with them a regulatory
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  framework that is an orchestra, that is, that the sea that the Government
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  and all the administrations. Please agree with us that we know what we have
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  to put in and that we are able to supply the factories with bios ten
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  the or any saw of biocomun well and that they also consider us, that
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  is, that science and good have triumphed in the market before economic power or
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  regulation a little without counting on us and the other party that we presented at
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  the beginning, with the stations of service, done, with the role of
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  cohesion that they do also and of meeting point, of generation, of employment
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  and presence in the whole rural area, with businesses that carry an effort because,
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  perhaps they are not as profitable in those areas as they can be in
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  others but they are there, if not, of course they are not,
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  but of thanks, but not being as profitable as their owners would probably like.
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  But they play a fundamental role, as you said, of social and
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  territorial cohesion. We have to think that in the Spanish field, many of
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  the filling stations, in addition to service station, on what are called case
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  centers, within the distribution of fuels. For for the farmers who represent John
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  and for so many others, of course, let us think about these businesses
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  is what, in some way and goes the comparison, makes the economy of
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  the countryside carburete. Our small trucks go to these farms and serve them that
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  fuel that they are demanding today in order to be able to continue working,
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  but it is also that they supply that fuel for all people living in rural
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  environments, which may seem obvious, but I, whenever I have occasion and
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  thank you for the one I have at the moment, have exactly the same
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  rights as the people who live in cities that often seem to forget us.
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  In the Spanish field, then, we have the field. I' m
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  going to name some eminently agricultural province, such as Soria. There are forty
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  - three filling stations throughout the province of Soria. These are many or few,
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  because I don' t know if there are many times, but what
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  I do know is that each and every one of them is absolutely indispensable,
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  because we think of a territory as extensive as that of the province of Soria
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  and we insist not only on the physical gas station, as any listener can
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  imagine, but the fuel distribution business. There is more for farms to root
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  diesel fuel tanks for tractors. I recently had the opportunity to speak to a
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  Sorian farmer and was reportedly shut down by the gas station and the fuel distribution
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  centre near his farm. You know what he had to do. He has
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  become a partner in another gas tanker so that it does not close, because
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  if he closes that one already they will raise the operating costs. A barbarity
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  when it comes to having to receive that fuel in its operation. In autonomous
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  communities like Rioja they have eighty- five gasolindas. I was just going to
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  say I don' t know if I alone, but what I do know
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  is that if we give these a chance and if we don' t make
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  a gradual and orderly transition, then in the end we can create these shadow
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  zones that will affect, of course, the agrips but also all the other
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  people who live, that I always like to say that I live in a
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  small village in the countryside, that we live in the countryside and that we
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  have exactly the same rights as the people who live in the cities. I
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  think it is necessary to put in value this function that makes the rural gas
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  station leave five those of the rivers for in my village and renewable fuels.
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  What role can they play there in this business, in this almost form also
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  so that they can continue to subsist the golden girls. We can comment,
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  we can comment that we were talking about it just before entering the antenna.
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  We are absolutely in favour of renewable fuels, but I do not know for
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  the best. Someone is surprised, but from the Confederation of Service Stations we
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  are also in favour of lectrification and we are also in favour of biomethane.
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  Not included, please. Of course I don' t know why. I
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  still don' t understand very well why it looks like this is going to
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  put on a shirt and defend just one of the alternatives. It seems to
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  me with all due respect, but a rather clumsy view of the matter.
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  I am of the opinion that the more we smoke, the better Juan commented
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  there are some farmers to whom the electric mobility can provide a good solution to
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  make certain kind of arrangements. Hey, you live like I live, 15
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  kilometers from the provincial capital. You have to go talk to your bank office,
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  because all right, you get your electric car, you go back,
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  you load it back on your ship and it' s for good. You
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  need a tractor, industrial agricultural machinery to work your land, to go,
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  to feed your cattle, to repair a fence, for so many tasks that
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  are done in the countryside. And it often gives me the feeling that those
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  who design certain laws do not know in depth. So we are absolutely in
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  favour of adding all the options, renewable fuels, because for tractors, farmers,
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  harvesters, for all kinds of machinery, it will come phenomenal. But
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  of course, for that, those who produce them, those who distribute them,
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  will have to see that this is a cost- effective option in order
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  to keep getting into that wheel. If on top of its renewable fuels are
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  made, as José Manuel said, using José Ramón Perdón, using raw material
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  that comes from our own field, because of course already then we make the
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  square to leave good. Yes, very important what Nacho said, which we
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  have said in all the programs, but I think it must be remembered is
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  that this is not a war between technologies. They' re all going to
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  be necessary and each one will meet some needs. And then one issue that
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  Juan and I have touched on is that it is one of the great bulls
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  that exists on renewable fuels and that is that they compete with raw materials for
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  food. That is to say, we have been dragging this bull for many
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  years, but at the moment in Europe there is a strict regulation that guarantees
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  the sustainability of raw materials that do not compete with food. And I think
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  this is very, very important. Not because I insist it is one of
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  the great bulls that, as Nacho said, those who want to wear only
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  a shirt, because they attack us. And I think he has explained well
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  José Ramón, but maybe we have to have a little influence on that with
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  Juan. Ramón' s children, we' re no longer competing with food.
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  We' re talking about something else. We are talking about waste that
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  was being dumped through the sink or crops, but that is not necessarily being
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  removed as exact by- products. Yeah, well, it' s not
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  just your product. It' s but let' s think about one thing.
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  Let us think that the farmer is one of the few industries that has
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  no incentive to increase its production. A farmer, when he increases his production,
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  when he has a good harvest of melons, cannot pick them up because
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  there is an overproduction. The market pays less for those melons and has no
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  labour to pick it up. Unless he stays in the field. What would
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  be the way to remove that incentive from that no incentive to produce even more.
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  For what the United States has done or what France is doing finds an
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  additional demand for an industry that, in addition to providing food, provides other
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  things. The United States is the first biotanol producing country, the first one
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  of the countries that has no problems with fossil sources of natural gas or oil.
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  It has a strategy to decarbonize its economy through biofuels, in particular through
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  biotanol. And that has led to the farmer without anything living very well,
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  is the world' s first cereal producer, the first cereal consumer, the
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  first exporter of biotanol, the first producer of biotanol, the first consumer of
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  life danil. How that has been achieved by creating demand, When you create
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  demand, the human being has such a capacity for innovation that it is able
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  to create production. I mean, our field doesn' t have a limit
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  to production right now. There are ways of an octare to pull out much
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  more. In the last 60 years, the productivity of maize cultivation has increased
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  by 200 percent, and this means that I cannot increase more. It can
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  increase more. The big problem we have is when we have a limit to
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  the demand that is our food and suddenly there' s a cheese, there
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  ' s a problem, like that step with Ukraine. Our production is at
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  the limit of meeting that food demand. If we had an overproduction for these
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  other uses in case we had a lawsuit. For example, the United States
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  is the most resilient country in the world in the face of a food crisis,
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  because it has an excess production of this type of crop to think of
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  more than the United States. We often have a different image of big cities
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  and it is an eminently agricultural country, the United States. All that is
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  not big cities is all agriculture for the country. I' m good at
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  the truth. I agree with you, José Ramón and Nacho I have explained
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  perfectly the situation of the sector of us. Unfortunately, we have the problem
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  that we never put a price on our products. We cannot put the price
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  on the market and there is a moment of oversaturation, that the market is
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  the market and we have the price that there is. If we had a
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  small chance to regulate this, then the farmer would have, I will not
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  say, a fixed income one, but he would have a threshold to be
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  able to produce or not be able to produce. Pasa We are going to
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  see the subject of wine and grapes is complicated, because each Spanish region is
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  different and I cannot talk the same about the rioja that we care about and
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  tomelloso, which has more production than all the others. Together. No,
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  but, well, we' re starting vineyard. The vineyard is set to
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  carbon. It' s also a woody carbon fixer. We are destroying the
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  capacity of jobs for people. We are destroying an investment that costs a lot
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  to raise. Okay, and we have an incredible surplus of wine out of
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  the ordinary. Wine is a good by- product for a good by-
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  product. It is an excellent product to take, an excellent by- product
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  for you. If we had a proper regulatory framework in which we are working,
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  we would say hear at times of overproduction. If it comes to us
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  all better and maybe, that would lead, I think, José Ramón,
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  to what you say, I mean, listen we' re going to get
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  used to all the surpluses having a way out, a way out especially when
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  they are surplus and especially when they are destroying, as in the case of
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  wine. They are destroying an investment and a lifelong culture and a natural carbon
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  fixator. Well let' s see how we can regulate that so that,
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  but of course, we have to feel compensated. That' s what I
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  was saying before, we can' t be, I mean, it'
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  s a question. I don' t want to call his products waste or
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  whatever you say it' s worth, that means we' re selling something
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  that' s worth. Obviously, melons can stay and stay on the ground
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  many times and it is much better to sell them to you. For any
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  reason, and that has something, some of this. But if that,
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  if the regulatory framework, is good, because maybe we can' t do
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  it. If on top it is easy for us and on top we feel
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  compensated. I say we do not want to be the producers of crude oil,
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  but we do want to participate in the market that we have a compensation.
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  It is that simple fact, because also all that, since it would
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  generalize that there are more renewable fuels, more use, the farmer will feel
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  more involved and other aspects that also with another leg that we have commented many
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  times is that to put in this tractor a renewable fuel, the tractor does
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  not have to do anything can go to the same supplier and supply of that
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  fuel without any adaptation practically for the correct ones. To the others it is
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  so, but it is also that look at the opportunities that because we do
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  not have an adequate regulatory framework and we can lose ourselves not only to provide
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  competitiveness to our artisans who, as you said well, without having to make
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  millionaire investments to change the machinery, could continue to use it but to pollute
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  infinitely less. Not only that, but we could also involve all the people
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  who live in the countryside and who do not have to be farmers directly,
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  even if they naturally live in one way or another of agriculture, because in
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  these services in the countryside they also live from agriculture. Many times to people
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  living in the countryside it seems that from the cities or from certain administrations,
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  it seems that we tell all the things that do wrong and not. And
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  you' re wearing your old car, and I don' t know what.
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  And it' s that Land Robert, and it' s that whatever
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  it is and many times we' re almost forcing them to live on their
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  backs to an energy transition in which we need, yes or yes, everyone
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  to participate. Then how nice and how easy it would be to tell them.
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  Mr Ma' am, you live in the countryside, but using renewable
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  fuels, you can be part of this transition, and this also goes with
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  you, and this concerns you, too. And farmers said it before Juan
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  are making great efforts to minimize the environmental footprint his businesses have. But all
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  the country people also think that we are somehow breaking society and hear the one
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  going from one metro stop to another in Madrid. And so and because you
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  can afford it very well, but that you can' t afford it we
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  have to make you see that you can also do things to contribute to that
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  transition. And right now there are companies that offer renewable fuels at a price
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  similar to that of gasoline ninety- eight or premium gas. Well, then,
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  it' s that maybe we have to do the place, that is,
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  you' re doing it wrong by having a car with an internal combustion
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  engine. Maybe we have to run a campaign to lure him into it and
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  say hear pay a little more and use renewable fuels. I will be living
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  in the countryside and will be participating in that energy transfer. You' re
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  not really so bad is that I think there is. I' ll talk
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  about it the other day. I believe that the service stations in these areas
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  are the ones that will serve as a showcase for the rest of Spain of
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  how it works, because perhaps in the cities, as you say because there
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  are other alternatives or not use so much, but those that will have no
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  choice but to use the nual fuels that will be in those areas. I
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  think people who see it are going to be an example of how they'
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  re going. What brings me and I have a savings because the same thing
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  that tractors have useful life, twenty thirty years, there are many people in
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  cities are small towns that cannot change their virtual car. Yes and as you
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  see in rural areas that are working everything perfectly says if they do, because
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  it is not. This is so, and farmers are very demanding with the
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  products they use, of course, because they are great professionals and depend on
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  them for their businesses. The partners of the Spanish association of Bieta, the
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  partners of op are already making excellent products with an extraordinary formulation that gives excellent
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  What a better showcase, as you said, than the rural service stations
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  totally ramón. It is not good to stress that there are European countries that
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  are realizing this. It is true that it is very difficult to compare,
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  because, for example, France, cooperatives are another world, they are very
• 26:17
  large cooperatives. But if we have to realize that we have often followed the
• 26:19
  wake of these European countries. We did it with wine, we say it
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  with oil, we were now selling or selling acetuna, we would be dead
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  the same as France. What France is doing, because it has made agricultural
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  cooperatives that make grapes a higher quality label product that allows it to compete with
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  i e I can' t sell the cereals, I can' t sell
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  that gives it courage? And I have to turn it into something that gives
• 26:47
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  me with wine. And that and that will allow me to compete with other
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  countries that sell their raw material in gross and have industrialized us. But in
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  is a circular economy that goes beyond the stations themselves which, of course,
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  new rural economy. And this is being achieved by France France, right now
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