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Girls Next Door, Holly and Bridget Tell All · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 4: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 6: I have the juiciest interview with Holly and Bridget from
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  Speaker 6: Girls Next Door with everything that's happened since all the
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  Speaker 6: inside scoop.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to die. It gets real real.
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  Speaker 6: Before we get to that, I just want to cover
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  Speaker 6: a follow up on the whole Alabama known as Bama Rush,
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  Speaker 6: sorority rush. Out of Alabama, they had bid day. So
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  Speaker 6: either the girls were cheering and were happy or they're
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  Speaker 6: crying or they're transferring schools or they got their second choice.
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  Speaker 4: It's done. It happened Sunday.
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  Speaker 6: What broke on Friday is that my Annie, who was
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  Speaker 6: a sorority girl, she was a Kappa Kappa Gamma at
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  Speaker 6: the University of Mississippi, texted me with some real juicy scoop.
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  Speaker 4: And I go, get on it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to explain this story as best I can. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: you tell me how I do, Annie. So there were Apparently,
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  Speaker 6: there was a suspicion that microphones were being sent in
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  Speaker 6: to record conversations for HBO Max from Vice Studios that
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  Speaker 6: was supposedly doing something with HBO Max. Now, when I
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  Speaker 6: first heard this, I was like, okay, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 6: That means that they had to find girls that were
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  Speaker 6: already enrolled in Alabama to who would be willing to
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  Speaker 6: put on a mic and go through Rush and send
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  Speaker 6: that recordings to Vice Studios so they could either make
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  Speaker 6: a documentary, make a scripted show.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, was it a mic? Could it have been
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  Speaker 4: like a little body cam cop, like what a cop
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  Speaker 4: would have? I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: And I thought that was a little hard to do
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  Speaker 6: because I'm like, you would have to find someone that
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  Speaker 6: was willing to do this and possibly jeopardize their own
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  Speaker 6: chance of being in a sorority.
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  Speaker 4: And I think.
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  Speaker 6: If someone was a cute type, not cute enough, but
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  Speaker 6: a cute type of sorority type girl, and she's going
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  Speaker 6: to a place like Alabama, which is a big sorority
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  Speaker 6: fraternity place, most likely she would want to rush. But
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  Speaker 6: they believe that this was happening and that this one girl,
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  Speaker 6: I saw her TikTok, she said she got kicked out
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  Speaker 6: because she took a hair tie and put it around
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  Speaker 6: her shirt. And they had heard this rumor, the girls
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  Speaker 6: at Alabama, and they're like, oh my God, you're a mole.
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  Speaker 6: You're like a cop that's like, are you Mike? Like
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  Speaker 6: the mafia. Get the fuck out. What happened? And they
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  Speaker 6: kick her out and she got dropped from Sorority Rush
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  Speaker 6: on suspicion that she might've been a little worker for
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  Speaker 6: HBO Max. Now this one girl said, her name's Emily
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  Speaker 6: Limbaugh and she's 23. She graduated from the University of
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  Speaker 6: Alabama in August. She was an alpha fee there, and
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  Speaker 6: she said she was contacted via Instagram DM by a
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  Speaker 6: woman who identified herself as a producer from Vice Studios
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  Speaker 6: working on a documentary for HBO Max. And she thought
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  Speaker 6: it was super sketchy that the direct message came from
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  Speaker 6: an unverified account with no profile pic, and the account
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  Speaker 6: seems to have been deactivated. Now, the PNMs, what is
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  Speaker 6: PNM standpoint? Oh, potential new member. We never called them that.
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  Speaker 6: I think we just called them like rushies or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: They were told not to post rush TikToks and also, well,
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  Speaker 6: a little too late for that, also not to talk
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  Speaker 6: to reporters if they came to the school or else
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  Speaker 6: they'd be dropped from recruitment. Now, what I thought was
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  Speaker 6: juicy on Friday is that Annie told me that at
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  Speaker 6: University of Mississippi, she heard through the grapevine that the
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  Speaker 6: sorority girls there that were doing Rush, and maybe they
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  Speaker 6: were a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit behind Bama. We don't do it until next week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: So they're starting next week and this is their work week.
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  Speaker 6: We mean, they get all their stuff together to give
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  Speaker 6: the greatest show and get the best girls. And they
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  Speaker 6: heard about this and they were having people come in
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  Speaker 6: and teach them how to spot a girl who might
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  Speaker 6: have a mic or be mic'd. So here's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 6: Whether this is true or not, I think it's a
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  Speaker 6: juicy story to make a whole nother scripted movie about
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  Speaker 6: someone wanting to do a documentary about sorority rush. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: the girl's like a little genius and her mom's in
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  Speaker 6: entertainment and the two of them are like, you know what?
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  Speaker 6: We're going to make it in Hollywood. You're going to
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  Speaker 6: go and act like you're going to get into Alabama.
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  Speaker 6: You're going to act like you're into this. And you're
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  Speaker 6: going to do a whole year as a mole and
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  Speaker 6: you're going to be collecting stories and you're going to
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  Speaker 6: be doing secret recordings and writing in your notes section
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  Speaker 6: and recording people and all this stuff. And then like
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  Speaker 6: at the end, the girls, she really ends up loving
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  Speaker 6: the girls. She was out there going to come and
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  Speaker 6: be like, these girls are awful people. This is a,
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  Speaker 6: you know, an old fashioned, awful people place for pretty
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  Speaker 6: people who are mean. And then in the end, she
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  Speaker 6: realizes they're all really lovely and they all really care
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  Speaker 6: about each other.
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  Speaker 4: And then she's like, I don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 6: Hollywood's calling and my mom and we're about to like
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  Speaker 6: sell this big thing to Netflix. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: be like the next little girl version of Steven Spielberg.
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  Speaker 4: Or I.
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  Speaker 6: Found a boy I like and a sisterhood I love.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 6: You'll be watching it while getting your hair dried out
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  Speaker 6: at the dry bar in about six years from now.
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  Speaker 4: Very juicy.
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  Speaker 4: to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very excited. I have lots of questions for my
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  Speaker 6: two fabulous guests. It's Holly and Bridget, known best from
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  Speaker 6: The Girls Next Door. Now you guys are back because
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  Speaker 6: I'm very excited about your new show.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm going to watch back the episodes together.
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  Speaker 6: And let us know what's real, what's not, what was
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  Speaker 6: happening in your brain, what was being portrayed.
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  Speaker 4: Very excited. Welcome to Juicy Scoop. Thank you. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: have a new podcast. It's called Girls Next Level. And
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  Speaker 4: we will be going back and watching all the episodes
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  Speaker 4: and letting everybody know what was real and what was
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  Speaker 4: fake and all the drama behind the scenes and everything.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a lot to get into.
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  Speaker 6: So, I mean, I'm up. I've had you on the
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  Speaker 6: show before, you know, and I've never met you, Bridget.
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  Speaker 6: I watched the show in the heyday.
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  Speaker 2: Of E.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, being on Chelsea lately, we would like
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  Speaker 6: follow it and discuss it a lot. And I actually
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  Speaker 6: remember the first time I was even introduced to you,
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  Speaker 6: I was listening to a radio, regular radio show. I
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  Speaker 6: was driving around at night. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 6: show was, but they're like, and we're talking to Holly,
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  Speaker 6: who's Hef's girlfriend.
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  Speaker 4: And this was before the show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And, and I was like, and the way you like
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  Speaker 6: told the story of like, oh, I was just At
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  Speaker 6: the pool one day or something, and he started to talk. Like,
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  Speaker 6: what is the story? How did you meet Hef?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I had been invited to the parties at the mansion.
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  Speaker 4: I was doing a Hawaiian tropics thing, and, like, Hef's
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  Speaker 4: doctor went there, and he wanted to invite all the
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  Speaker 4: girls from the contest to the mansion, like put them
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  Speaker 4: on the list for the party. And I was so
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  Speaker 4: excited because back then those parties were, like, the hottest
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  Speaker 4: ticket in town, and not just anybody could get in.
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  Speaker 4: So I was super excited, and from there I got in.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but you're cool.
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  Speaker 6: I would go to the parties.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a fun, cool thing to do.
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  Speaker 6: And it was like Hollywood Elite and it was gorgeous.
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  Speaker 6: And I never saw anything creepy when I was there
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  Speaker 6: at those parties. And that was the end of 90s.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Early 2000s.
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  Speaker 6: Or I just was too focused on the free lamb chops.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So you're at the mansion as a hot tropic girl.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Or just like a random girl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Random girl who got invited. Just a pretty girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: And from there, I got put on the list to
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  Speaker 4: go to the pool parties they would have every Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: And that was like a smaller, more intimate group. And
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  Speaker 4: I would go to those every Sunday and like make
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  Speaker 4: friends there. And everybody just seemed so nice, all of
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  Speaker 4: his friends. And after a while, that kind of started
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  Speaker 4: to feel like a community I was a part of
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. And then I got into a place
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  Speaker 4: in my life where I had nowhere to live, like
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  Speaker 4: just all this crazy stuff had happened in my life.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, you know what, he has a
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  Speaker 4: spot open as one of his girlfriends, so maybe I
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  Speaker 4: should move in here. Like, it didn't, it sounds crazy,
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  Speaker 4: but it didn't feel like that much of a stretch
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  Speaker 4: at the time for me.
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  Speaker 6: And at that time when you said he has a
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  Speaker 6: spot open, had you guys already been intimate at least once?
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  Speaker 4: No, what had happened is I'd been invited to go
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  Speaker 4: out with them a few times, so I always kind
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  Speaker 4: of thought in the back of my head, like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: maybe if I wanted to be a girlfriend, maybe it
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  Speaker 4: could be an option, but it wasn't really anything special.
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  Speaker 4: I thought I would do or ever have the balls
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  Speaker 4: to do if I wasn't kind of like desperate for
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  Speaker 4: a place to live. So I approached him and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I'd love to go out with you guys.
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  Speaker 4: maybe this week or something. And he was like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we'll have my secretary call you. And it just happened
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  Speaker 4: from there. Okay.
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  Speaker 6: So then, you know, we kind of know from the
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  Speaker 6: show and stuff that you got to bone him. You
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  Speaker 6: got to bone him with the other girls. And once
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  Speaker 6: that happened, then were you just like, well, I guess
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  Speaker 6: I'll make the best of this. And then absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Once you've gone.
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  Speaker 5: That far, it's like, I'm going to stick around for this.
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  Speaker 5: Like I put, like I compromised that, you know, how.
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  Speaker 4: Did you meet him?
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  Speaker 6: And like, where, where did the years collide where you
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  Speaker 6: guys met before the show started?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you moved in and started coming out with half,
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  Speaker 4: maybe like nine months after I moved in. Okay. So
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  Speaker 4: it was pretty close.
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  Speaker 6: And was, what was your story? Do you, were you
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  Speaker 6: like just a cute girl at the parties or what happened?
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  Speaker 5: I had met him way before. Um, I had, Tested
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  Speaker 5: for a playmate. They brought me out to the mansion
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  Speaker 5: and did like the full test and everything. So I
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  Speaker 5: spent like three days there and I met him. And
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  Speaker 5: then I didn't get it. I didn't find out for
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  Speaker 5: a year and a half that I didn't get it.
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  Speaker 5: And I never went back to the mansion in that
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  Speaker 5: time because I didn't know I could.
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  Speaker 4: Were you living in L.A. that time?
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  Speaker 5: No, I was living in Northern California.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Desperately wanting to be in L.A. and wishing I could
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  Speaker 5: go to the parties and, like, be a part of
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  Speaker 5: all of that kind of thing. And then one day
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  Speaker 5: somebody told me, oh, you know, if you tested before,
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  Speaker 5: you could go to the parties. And I was like, wait, what?
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  Speaker 6: Like, I missed out a year and a half.
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  Speaker 4: I did. I did.
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  Speaker 5: And some of the best years of Playboy parties, too.
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  Speaker 5: Because I tested at the end of 98. So, like,
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  Speaker 5: 99 and 2000. Like, those are the parties I was missing.
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  Speaker 4: You missed me.
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  Speaker 5: The prime. The prime time.
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  Speaker 6: So, then people know the story. But I got married.
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  Speaker 6: And I got invited to the New Year's Eve party,
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  Speaker 6: which was 2000. And we had the seven girlfriends. And
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  Speaker 6: so I called RSVP and normally I'd bring a girlfriend
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  Speaker 6: that then I'd have to send in.
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  Speaker 4: Her photo or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: But if I had a girlfriend that was already approved,
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  Speaker 6: then she could come with me every time. And I
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  Speaker 6: was like, well, now I'd like to have a different
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  Speaker 6: guest this time.
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  Speaker 4: It's my husband. And he's really cool.
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  Speaker 6: And they're like, uh, what?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is a singles party. It
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  Speaker 4: just hung up on me.
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  Speaker 6: And I was never invited again.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, so fun.
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  Speaker 4: Because honestly, my husband's the most non-dose person in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know if I would have.
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  Speaker 6: spent New Year's Eve without him, but like I could
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  Speaker 6: have gone to the one in April or Halloween or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: He wouldn't have cared with a girlfriend, but cause I
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  Speaker 6: was in the business and it was like, whatever, get some.
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  Speaker 4: So. Anyway, continue. So you missed me at the parties.
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  Speaker 5: I missed the parties.
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  Speaker 6: So you start coming down.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I start coming down. The first party I get
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  Speaker 5: invited to is Midsommars of 2000, which was incredible and amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And then I just really had the bug. Like, I
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  Speaker 5: really want to be here. I really want to be
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  Speaker 5: doing this. I finally just like took my savings and
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  Speaker 5: moved to L.A. and was able through, you know, the
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  Speaker 5: contacts to just be able to come to Fun in
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  Speaker 5: the Sun and Buffet Dinner and Movie and I have
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  Speaker 5: called one time in March and asked me if I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to go out with him and the girls, and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, no. I've heard stories about what
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  Speaker 5: goes on, and no.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you said no?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just really want to be a playmate. That's why
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  Speaker 5: I'm here, doing stuff for the entertainment industry. I had
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: to broadcast journalism. communications degree. So I was auditioning for
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  Speaker 5: things and I wanted to be a playmate, but being
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  Speaker 5: a girlfriend or going out, like, no, that's not what
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  Speaker 5: I had in mind here. And he was very gracious
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  Speaker 5: and nice about it. And it was, everything was fine.
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  Speaker 5: Then a couple months later, I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 5: Like nothing had moved in my life really. And I thought,
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  Speaker 5: what do I have to lose like this? I could
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  Speaker 5: be missing out on some really cool opportunities. I was
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  Speaker 5: watching other girls kind of come and go and all
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  Speaker 5: the fun they were having going out. And I thought,
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  Speaker 5: Why am I not letting myself do this?
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  Speaker 6: So when you're thinking that, are you like, all right,
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  Speaker 6: I'm just going to have to hop on and count
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  Speaker 6: to 11 and let this be over?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if it was that long.
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  Speaker 5: How do you just.
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  Speaker 6: Gear yourself and be like, all right, I am going
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  Speaker 6: to do this thing, which is not something... I'm super
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  Speaker 6: excited to be, but like, who really care? Like, how
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  Speaker 6: do you justify it in your mind of like, you've
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  Speaker 6: been a pretty girl that probably always had someone age
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  Speaker 6: appropriate boyfriends. And now you're going to go and be
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  Speaker 6: with this really older guy. You're going to share them
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  Speaker 6: with people, but like. Thank God you're sharing them with people. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm almost thinking, like, where did you justify it?
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  Speaker 5: Sort of. I sort of had that in mind. But
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  Speaker 5: I was also thinking that I could get out of
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  Speaker 5: this for a little while. Like, the first night I
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  Speaker 5: was like, I'm not ready yet. So I'm just going to, like,
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  Speaker 5: kind of check it out and see what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm not going to do anything I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to do.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I thought, too. I never thought I would.
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  Speaker 4: necessarily have to go the first night or be the
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  Speaker 4: first one the first night.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not like I never would have done it
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  Speaker 5: with him, but I wasn't ready at that moment. But
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  Speaker 5: there's other girls that put pressure on you. Like she
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  Speaker 5: straight up told me, you'll never be invited back if
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: you don't do this tonight. So then it's like you've
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: put in all this time and all this effort and
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: you've had such a great night. Like it's really fun
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: going out with Hef and stuff. And you think, wait,
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: do I want this all to end like right now?
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Plus you've been drinking. Plus you're tired.
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're wasted.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: That's step one.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: Everybody else is doing it.
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: And are you guys just drinking or are you partaking
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: in some other stuff too?
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: I was just drinking, but I drank a lot. I
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: was just so nervous that first night that I was
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: just down in them all night. Yeah. What was your
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: drink of choice? Well, this was 2001, so it was
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: vodka cranberry. Absolutely. Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: Still great.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Still a great drink.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that drink.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Full of hidden sugar.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: So I wouldn't drink it now.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's true.
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah. You just did the splash now.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Splash of cranberry, vodka soda.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Vodka water.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: Vodka club soda, yeah.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: Or whatever, Perrier.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah. For me, just alcohol as well. I was offered
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: the Quaalude. But I was like, no, I don't even know. Like,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: I'd never done anything like that.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: And quaalids were, like, not around. Like, quaalids were, to me,
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: I heard about quaalids, like, in the 80s and, like, 70s.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: You hear about them past tense, yeah. Yeah, like, it wasn't, like,
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: none of our friends were doing it or, you know, like,
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: so I was like, that must have been kind of weird.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was definitely weird. Like, I knew what it was,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: but I have to imagine a lot of girls my
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: age back then probably didn't know what it was. Like,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Wolf of Wall Street wasn't even out then. We didn't
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: even have, like, that cultural touchstone to know, like, what
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: a Quaalude does or anything.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: I had no idea what it was, but I just
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: was like, I've never done anything like that. So I
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: was like, no. You know, I mean, I just drank
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: and I smoked a little bit of pot in my past.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: That's the extent of what I had done. So I
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: wasn't interested in doing that. But I got in trouble
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: from the other girls for declining it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: You mean they were just pissed?
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were like, don't decline it or he'll quit
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: giving it to us.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, don't decline the Quaalude.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: I thought you meant the dick. No. I was like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: are you sure?
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Everybody would have been excited about that. No, the Quaalude.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: And so in the future, I would accept it and
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: just throw it in my purse.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: And do you think the girls wanted it just because, again,
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: it just made the whole process just less memorable for them?
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm wondering. Either they wanted it to take
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: it or maybe they were, like, hoarding it and selling it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: I have no idea either. They kept wanting to get
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: the Quaaludes, but apparently it was a thing. Interesting.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: You know what?
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: And at some point the Quaaludes just stopped. And I
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: don't even know when that was or why that was
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: or anything.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: I feel like it was around like 2003, 2004. I
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: feel like it's because we didn't have a girl in
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the group who was like a recruiter anymore.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: A recruiter that would get new girls to come in.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like a Ghislaine Maxwell type person. I feel like the.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Recruiting and getting the new people again was like taking
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: the heat off of you to sexually satisfy him.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she has more value in the group because
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: he knows she recruits girls.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: And when someone recruits somebody, like, how do you sell
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: me on it? Like, let's say I'm the cute girl
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: at the party. And F's like, hmm, she's attractive. And
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: he says it to the recruiter. How does the recruiter, like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: then come to me, like, and we just, like, role play? Like,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: to get me to be, like, feel me out to
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: see if I'm interested and if I'd be, like, a good,
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: cool person to hang.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Like, what do you say to me? I mean, she
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: was a really fun person with, like, a fun personality.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: So she could easily just go up to anybody and
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, hey, want a drink? Want to hang out? Blah, blah, blah.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: And then it just escalates from there after somebody's been drinking.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: When you offer somebody to come behind the velvet ropes
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: and drink for free with your unlimited bottle service and
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: dancing with half.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, at a club, you mean.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, at a club or at a party.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Okay, or at a Playboy party.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like it's really– it's exciting and it's fun and
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: you're behind the velvet ropes and everybody's looking in and
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: you're like one of those people that are there, like
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: VIP and stuff. So I feel like it would be
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: a pretty easy sell.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: And do you want to come back to the Playboy
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Mansion with us?
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: I also think when you– When you're not used to
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: getting attention like that at a nightclub where people are like, oh,
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: my God, it's happened to girlfriends. That's like makes the
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: night 10 times more fun than if you were just
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: with your other pretty girlfriends going out to a nightclub.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: You know, because it's like you're a star, you.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Know, and you get that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Celebrity and everyone's so much nicer to you.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: You know, people want to see you and, like, yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: Nobody checks your ID when you walk in.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we talk about this on the podcast, too. Like,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: the C's just part when you walk into the club
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: and everybody's in awe.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Here comes Hef and this gaggle of girlfriends, like, all
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: walking single file to this roped-off area.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: This roped-off area with, like, you know, five, six security
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: people standing all around it and.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: So you go, so you go out that night, you go,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: I guess I have to take my turn.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: And then once it's over.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't say, oh, I guess I have to
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: take my turn.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Still just going to watch.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: And then she was like, aren't you going to, that
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: same girl was like, aren't you going to go? It's like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: you need to go. And I was like, I would
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: rather not. And she was like, well, then probably won't
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: be invited back. So then I was like, okay. And
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: I'd seen what everybody else was doing. So I knew
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: that this was like a 10 second thing.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, definitely no more than a minute.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Would you say?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, my mouth is cloudy. I've kind of blocked it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I would say you're right. It's short. Right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: The car is beautiful.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Where did you end up going for it? This exclusive
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: place that Dad has connections with. They have more cars
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: for more dealerships than like anywhere else. You have to
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: put me in touch.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: What's it called?
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: It's Dune ADL. Where? Dune ADL. There's an accent on
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the E.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Do you mean.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, I got it on Dune Deal Cars.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Lift? Please.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Please. You're going past Kimmage. Oh, Kimmage.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: No.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Done deal cars.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I need a home dad.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: What happens next?
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: happens next.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I decided to risk it all.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: You're worth the work.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Everybody's very encouraging.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: It's purely teamwork.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: It is. It actually is. Everyone is very encouraging.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Everyone's just like, we all have to do this together. So, yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: And is it like, I don't want to be the first.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be the last. Is number three
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: the best? If everyone's doing it, is there a time
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: that you'd rather do it or not?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. Oh, for me there was. I
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: felt like everybody was just trying to get it done
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: as quickly as possible, like the whole process.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Well, once, after that first night, like when I tried
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: not to do it, after that, I wanted to be
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: first because there was no way I wanted going after
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: other people.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Right, because that was the other thing is they said
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: it was no condoms, so you all could possibly have
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: spread something unintentionally.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you were hoping everyone's in the same situation and
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: there is a doctor on staff and you're hoping everybody
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: is being checked out and everybody's being, I say this
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: in quotes, monogamous to that relationship.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: You know, but.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: you don't know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: And if there's new girls coming up, which there often
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: were like, I just wanted to be first and be done.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: And that I felt like that was the cleanest way
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: to be in and out of it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: So then how long were you guys both living in
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: the house together and being part of one? Like how
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: many girls were there when this opportunity came up to like, Hey,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: we've been approached to possibly do a reality show. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: how did that all come about? How did they sell
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: it to you?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: What was you?
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: It wasn't like that at all.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Okay. We both lived there for about seven years total.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: And there was a constant turnover of the other women.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And Bridget and I had lived there for about... Three years,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I think, before Hef kicked everybody else out and Kendra
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: moved in. And then it became just three of us
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: rather than seven, which was a big relief because.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: There was a lot less drama. And did you always
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: get to have your own bedroom?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I had to share with Hef, and I had zero
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: privacy ever. I asked him if I could have another
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: room down the hall, and he always said no. But
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: there were constantly, like, secretaries walking in and out of
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: his room all day.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: And when did you get chosen to be the girl
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: that lives in the room and– At that time, you
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: were like, I guess, into it as far as being
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: like the number one girl. Like, how did that come about?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I moved into his room about six months after I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: moved in. But we started talking about it almost immediately
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: after I moved in because I moved in and I
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: was kind of the one girl who liked to stay
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: at home and like to go to the buffet dinners
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: and like to watch the old movies and stuff. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: everybody else who had been there did not want to
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: be the main girlfriend because they know, like, you have
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: to share a room. You're under the microscope. Like, you
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: just can't kind of go off and do your own
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: thing as much. So everybody was like, oh, I think
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you're going to be Hef's new girlfriend. And I had
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: never thought that would be me because I was the
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: youngest in the group. And from what I had seen before,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: I kind of always assumed the main girlfriend had to
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: be the oldest for whatever reason just because she had
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: been before.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: But I was flattered by it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: And where did that girl go?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Like, where did that one she left and then you
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: were being chosen to take her place?
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Like, how much time was in between and how did
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: that girl feel and why did she choose to leave
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: at that time?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the reason she wanted to be there
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: at all was because she wanted a centerfold in the magazine.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: So when her centerfold came out, she left. So I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: don't think she cared.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: So she wanted somebody to take her place. And she
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: wanted that centerfold because at that time it was such
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: great publicity. And it was such a great launching pad
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: for acting roles being that Pam Anderson and that, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: you guys were after Jenny McCarthy.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: And so like, yeah, we kind of grew up with that.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: So we thought being a playmate, you could be like
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the next Pamela Anderson or Anna Nicole Smith or somebody.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: Or like, or like an e-news reporter or whatever.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I got it. Okay.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: So that girl gets her centerfold.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: It's over. She's like, see ya. Yeah. She bails. Okay.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: So she was happy somebody else was moving in. Like
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: there wasn't any like resistance. She passed the baton. Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: So to speak.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Totally.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: So, and then, so then when that happened, you get
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: in the groove and from what, like, tell me, like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: then did you kind of just convince yourself that this was, like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: a normal thing and that it was okay? Or, like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: when did you, did you only recently realize, like, how fucked.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Up it was?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I always knew, obviously, that the situation
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: was so far from normal. But I think that was
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: part of why I was able to make excuses for, like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: his bad behavior in the relationship.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: How he treated me because I was already have the
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: mindset like, well, this isn't going to be ordinary. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: this is kind of like a different special situation. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I would say I realized how messed up everything was
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: right when I decided to leave, which was like seven
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: years later. It's just because I kind of always blamed
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: all the problems on the other girls. Like, oh, there's
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: so much drama because we're all not getting along all,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: you know, but Hef's the good guy, poor Hef. That
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: was kind of always my mindset the whole time. But
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: when Bridget and Kendra left and it was just going
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to be me and him, he just started lashing out
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: at me so much and became really verbally abusive. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I just realized like the girls were not the problem.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, some of them were the problem. Some of
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: them weren't so nice, but they weren't the problem the
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: whole time. He was the problem. So then I left
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: and I tried to like file the experience away and
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: just only think about the positive things for a couple
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: of years. But After a while, I would just look
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: back on it like anytime I needed to go like
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: look at an old picture for reference or something. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I would just see the fakest smile on my face
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: and just realize how miserable I was the whole time.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And I knew I was miserable when I was there.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: It's just that I always blamed it on the other girls. Like,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: we used to go out to lunch, you know, so
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: nobody would, like, eavesdrop on us in the house. Just
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the two of you? Yeah, we would go to lunch
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: and just talk about, like, oh, my God, this is
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: so miserable. This is so rough.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: While you're filming and stuff? Well, even before we were
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: filming because there was so much drama. So you had
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: always been friendly. You were always good.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. We were always close.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: But I always thought, you know, if the other girls left,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: things would be great. That was kind of where my
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: mindset was until, like, the last minute, and then I
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: decided to leave.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: You know what's interesting about it all, which I'm sure
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: you guys reflect It's like, you know, when you watch
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: documentaries on cults and polygamy and polygamous cults and how
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: you just, you know.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Keep rationalizing.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you just kind of think it like that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: Or even if you're in like a work situation where
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: there's like a boss that kind of sets the tone
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: so that the minions or whatever... actually start infighting where
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: they go to lunch and they start talking about everybody
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: but the boss who's actually creating this environment.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: No it's purposeful because he never wanted all of us
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: to get together and be like you know what we
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: don't feel like going out tonight we just want to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: stay in like he wouldn't want that he wanted us
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: competing against each other so we had to like go
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: along with what he wanted because everybody was trying to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: one-up everybody else right Okay, so now let's get to
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the play. So you guys are friendly.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: You're all living there with other people. You go out
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: one night a week or two nights a week. How
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: often are you like at a nightclub with a PR situation?
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I'd say two nights a week. Did it kind of calm? No,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: we didn't stop going out until after the show started filming.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: We were still going out two nights a week.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: And because of that like PR situation, how did, I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: assuming that's where someone got the idea of this is
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: a fabulous reality show.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Like, how did it come about? Well, A & E
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: originally wanted to do a show because they were doing
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Growing Up Gotti at the time. Yes, I remember that show.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: So they wanted to do Growing Up Hefner about Hef's
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: two kids. The boys. Yeah. And Hef was like, no,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do that. Like, I'm not a
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: PTA dad. Maybe they'll want to do something else. So
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: then the idea turned into let's do a reality show
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: about the staff at the mansion. So they shot a pilot,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: which was supposed to be about the staff at the mansion.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: We were in it a little bit, but it was
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: more so supposed to be about the staff. A &
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: E decided they didn't want it. They took it to.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Eve.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, they didn't want to do a whole thing about Mary?
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: So they took it to Eve. Mary, this is the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: booking secretary. It was supposed to be about the butlers
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like prepping for parties. It was kind of like upstairs, downstairs.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Here's Hef and his girlfriend and all these party guests
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: and celebrities.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Like a Downton Abbey, but for the.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Kind of, yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: And then here's the staff trying to like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Appease it all.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Cater to all their needs.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Got it. Okay. So they took it to E. E.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: wanted it, but an executive at E. said, I want
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: it to be about the girls, though. I want it
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: to be through their eyes.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Right, which is totally a smarter angle to go. So
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: then how is it presented that, like, we choose you?
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Because at that time now it is just the three
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: of you living there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the three of us.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, so there was no, like, casting choices.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: You were the three.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: I was under the impression that there was, like, More
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: like five or six. And they found you guys, they
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: chose the three of you because you did have the
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: best personalities to be the official girlfriends featured in the show.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: No, it was already narrowed down to three, so that's
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: just what it was.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: So how do they approach you? And were you nervous
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: or was this like a dream come true? What was
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: your thoughts?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Well, we were not approached. We were just told. It
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: was very much like the way we were treated was
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: kind of like the way a YouTube family will just
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: throw their kids on the YouTube. Like, yeah, you're here.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: You're doing this. This is what you're doing. Like have
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: even like walked by me in the hall one morning.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: It was like, I've decided what your characters are going
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to be. And I'm like, oh, okay. Like, you know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: we were just told you're doing this. So unless we
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: want to, like, move out and, like, start a website.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Change your life. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: You have to go along with it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: And they basically told us that if you don't like it,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: you know where the door is. Because there's lots of
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: people that would want your position.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: They didn't pay us for the first season. Yeah, we
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: weren't paid. Like, they paid us. When they ordered more episodes,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: they finally paid us.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: But they didn't pay us. And what were they paying
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: you for the second season?
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Do you recall? I don't remember. It was minimal. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: it's not like I think I'm this big star with
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: huge bargaining power back then. But I just wanted what
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: was fair. Like, you know, it was just like a couple.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: a couple thousand bucks an episode or something.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I don't even think we were getting that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: But just the fact that, yeah, just the fact that
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: they didn't want to pay us anything and just expected
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: us to do it as the main characters of the show.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: So you just signed a release. Yeah, just a release.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: No contracts.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: Okay, so, and you're like, now they're coming in. They
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: got the mics on you and that's when we get
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: to see, so at that time, it is on the
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: show that you share the room with Half and you're
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: the main and you, I just kind of remember like
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: you having your room and you had like a little dog.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Later on, I get the dog. A lot of pink. Okay.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Which also, too, is, like, such, like, a thing that, like.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Such a 2000s reality TV trope, the little dogs.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: No, but, like, on the dark side, like, a captive thing. Like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: girls that are, like, held captive. It's, like, all they
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: want is, like, a little dog.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, I have four. You know what I mean?
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Like, all they want is just, like, their little, like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: personal friend. Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Because it's, like... So, you have your room, and then
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Kendra has her room. Okay.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: Now, what was your situation with your parents? Were they
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: excited about this? Were they okay that you were living
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: this unconventional half-life? In the hopes that you'd be like
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: a pathway to a bigger entertainment career. Like what were
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: their thoughts?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were fine with me being at the mansion,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: but I didn't tell them any details of what was
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: going on. I just don't have that relationship with my
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: parents where I would ever talk about anything like intimate
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: or anything like that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: So before the show came out, they just thought you
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: were at the mansion as an aspiring model.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Well, as Hef's girlfriend, but I think a lot of people.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, they knew that you were romantic with him.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people back then thought it was
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: all publicity.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: That it was fake.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Like, it was kind of like, I would say the public,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: they were kind of split. Like, no way they're all
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: living there and not having sex. But also, no way.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: He's 75.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: This is all fake. Totally true. Because it was such
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a big part of his publicity.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: And I think there's a lot of stuff throughout Hollywood
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: where you're like, even like Pete and Kim. Great publicity stunt.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: And they were definitely fucking. But like, did it... Was that...
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: did that contribute to them staying together? Was that a
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: nice aspect of it?
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: But like, yeah, I think you're right with that. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: remember people always, that was like a discussion we'd have.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: All the time.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: All the time. Any press I would do, they would ask,
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: are you sleeping with them? And if I said yes,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: they'd be like, there's no way he's sleeping with all
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: you young girls. And then if I said no, they're like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: there's no way he's letting you girls stay there and
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: you're not sleeping with them.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, so it doesn't, why do I even
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: bother answering this question?
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: That's so interesting.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: So you tell, what was your situation with your parents?
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: My parents were excited for me. They thought Playboy was
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: so cool, and they thought Hef was such a gentleman.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: They came up and visited quite a bit. Like, they
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: were very excited about it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: So neither of your parents had, like, any problem with
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: the fact that you were, like, nude models?
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: No, you have to understand, like, I think both of
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: our parents come from the generation where, like, Playboy was, like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: The classiest magazine. Like, they remember growing up, they remember
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: hearing about the Playboy clubs were, like, this chic place
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: to be. So they thought it was cool. And I
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: don't think we come from, like, super religious families where they're, like, nudity. Like, yeah,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like, okay, like when you come from
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: a small town, but not, like, a huge deal. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: But with the, on the secrets of Playboy, which I
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: thought was interesting, is that, like, then the fact, like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: just how you guys signed that release for the show, that, like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: I thought that was so awful that these girls did
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: photo shoots and things with 1200 photos.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: And then like.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Years later, those photos were being used and people were
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: profiting off of them and they weren't.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: And you're like, Oh yeah, I guess that would happen.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And as an actress and stuff.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Cause you know, I, I, people don't understand how hard
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: it was like for us, you know, like to get
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: an agent and to do all this. And you, you're like, yeah, if,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: if I say no, if I, then I'm deemed difficult
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: and like, better that I just say, okay.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: You know, and like, at least I have a chance
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: if I act like, no, it's like, so of course,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: and what's like a young 21 year old going to
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: know about contracts and, uh, you know, do you have,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: do you own the intellectual property and.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: All this kind of stuff?
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: So yeah, that's crazy. So when the show, so then
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: when the show started, when it first aired, was it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: how immediate was it that you guys, um, started to,
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Like notice how popular it was and then it was
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: like kind of life changing.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Well, we knew it was popular because they would tell
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: us that the ratings were so great. Like every morning
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: after an episode would air, you know, there would be
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: like these mailboxes downstairs and they'd put a slip of
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: paper in Hef's mailbox and it would say what the
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: ratings were. So they always checked on that. So I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: knew it was a hit and I knew what like
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: E's standard of a good rating was. But we didn't
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: ever feel, I think, like extra famous or anything while
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: we were there because we always lived in this bubble
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: where we were so much in half shadow that nothing
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: really changed. Like, yeah, when we went out, a few
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: people like knew our names and stuff, but we just
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: still kind of felt like we were in half shadow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: It just wasn't really that big of a change for us,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I think. I think the worst part was. all of
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: a sudden you're being talked shit about online. And this
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: was back in like the early days of like message
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: boards and stuff. I didn't know everybody in the public
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I got talked shit about. I thought it was just us.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: And I was like, oh my God, everybody hates us.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: This is the worst. It was like rough.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: The e-message boards were rough.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: The e-message boards were disgusting. What would they say that
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: was so mean? Just, I mean, probably nothing that would
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: be considered novel now, but just like gross stuff.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Like, oh my God, these whores.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: And they're so disgusting.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: And whores and just, you know, I mean, just everything
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: you could think of that they would say they said.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: And so now during that time, are all three of
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: you still having regular sex with him?
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: It stopped at some point because the thing with him
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: was the thing that kind of drove him before was
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: he was high off of all like the attention of
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: going out with like the seven girlfriends and constantly trying
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: to get new people upstairs. But then when the show
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: came along, he loved the show, obsessed with the show.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: It was such a big ego boost for him that
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: he didn't really care about going out or trying to
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: get new people to sleep with him anymore. So everything
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: really just calmed down.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was just kind of set with the way
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: things were.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: So things changed a lot across the board.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: So you weren't bringing anyone new, but did the three
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: of you still have to bone him regularly?
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: No, it stopped after a while. So did you have
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: to bone him, Holly, regularly? No, that stopped after a while.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Because I started working at the Playboy studio, too. Right.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I had to be up, like, at the studio at 8,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: leave the house at 7.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: Because you'd work in helping build the magazine.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: So I would go to bed even before he would
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: go to sleep. Oh, wow.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. There were a couple of times he would say, like, oh,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: maybe we should all– and Kendra and I would look
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: at each other and be like, no, we're busy.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, we've got to be up early. We're good.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: He would say, maybe we all go out again or whatever?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Well, like, he would say, like, maybe we should have
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: a picnic in the bedroom or something like that. Watch
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: a movie together or something. And Kendra and I would
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: be like– Oh, yeah. I've got that interview early in
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: the morning.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: No, not tonight.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: And so did you ever like the two of you
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: go out and be like, isn't this great that we
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: don't have to fuck them anymore?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: This is wonderful.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: I'm loving that we like it to be on TV
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: and like just kind of have a more independent life or?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I don't remember having that conversation. No, I don't remember ever.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: But it's something that we wouldn't have.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Even had to.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: I'll have a Chinese chicken salad. Ed, isn't this great?
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: And we don't have to vote.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Well, we were just like, isn't it great? We don't
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: have to deal with the drama with all those other girls.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: That was more the thing that was like on my
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: mind and like the big deal. And we were just
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: so grateful that it was just the three of us
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: and that we got along pretty well. We had the
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: opportunities that the show brought us and just the. We
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: had wanted to be in the magazine for so long,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: and we got to be in the magazine like four
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: times after the show started. So we loved those opportunities.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: So just kind of everything about life there kind of
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: improved after the show came along.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: And then during those years, the magazines, which people still
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: bought magazines back then.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: They certainly don't now.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Those issues were doing probably great because you guys had
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: the show pushing it. Okay, so it goes on. So
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: you're like sleeping in that big brown headboard. room yeah
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: was it a water bed I always imagined.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: No it looks like it though doesn't it because it
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: looks like it yeah there would go around the water
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: but but it's not okay and so you're in there
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: every night still sleeping.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: At some point, you never go, you know what? I
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: bet you'd sleep better if I wasn't in there. Like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: you never thought to try to get out of it
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: because you're no longer boned. Like, it goes years without
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: boning him. And he still insists that.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: You, like, sleep next to him like a wife. Yeah, well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: the last time I think I asked for a room
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: was maybe, like, before the show started. After all those
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: girls moved out, I'm like, hey, there's extra rooms. Like,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: maybe I could take the smallest one down the hall
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: just to have more room for my stuff or, like, have, like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: a moment of privacy there. And he said no. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I was kind of conditioned not to ask for things
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: because he would get really angry, snap at me, just
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: put me in tears sometimes when we'd have some discussions.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: So I wasn't really asking for a lot when I
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: lived there. And we mentioned the two boys.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: So how old were they then, his two sons with,
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: what was that wife's name?
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Kimberly. Kimberly. And wasn't it that Kimberly and the boys
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: were like living in a house next door? Okay.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: And so how often would like those boys come around
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: and did you have any relationship with them?
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say we had any relationship with them.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: They were probably like 10 or 11 when we moved in.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say like 9 and 11,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: something in there.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And he used to have family night on Tuesdays where
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: like the kids and Kimberly would come over and they'd
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: like watch a movie. And we just like steered clear
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and we didn't really.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: And sometimes the boys would come over and run around
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: the property and like they were like into kind of
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: trying to film little movies and writing little newspaper type things.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: But it was rare. Like I didn't see them around
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Not all the time, but they were here and there.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: And did you have any relation with Kimberly?
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: No.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I thought she was so intimidating. I thought she was
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: so scary. Yeah.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Have you ever, like, did you ever talk to her since? Like, have, like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: a gab session after? He died or after you were
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: broken up with him or anything?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty safe to say we wouldn't get along.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: She led this whole thing after the A & E
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: documentary came out. She got all these people together to, like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: sign a petition to say that, like, Hef's a great guy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: So I don't think we'd get along. Oh, okay. I
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: only talked to her, like, once the whole time I
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: lived there. It was very early on after I moved in.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I was working out in the gym, and she was
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: down in the gym, and she just said, Hi, I'm Kimberly,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: and that was it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: And do you think– why do you think– Like, first
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: of all, why do you think they got married and
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: then why do you think they got divorced?
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he was going through a lot in
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: his life. He just had a stroke. It was the 80s,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: like the AIDS crisis. Nobody's, like, having casual sex anymore.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: He's already old. There's no Viagra. It probably only made
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: sense for him. No, there's all these reasons. Like, I'm
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: not even making excuses. Like, there's all these reasons. Because
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: he would always tell me that he'd been so miserable
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: being married. I'm like, well, why'd you get married then?
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, to the.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: First wife, who's the mother of, like, the.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: the girl, right? No, the first wife was back in
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: like the 50s.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, and then his second wife, he got married
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: in the 80s, like 89. Right, but he has one
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: daughter from the first wife, right?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: A daughter and a son, yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, so then he had all those years, and then
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: he marries Kimberly in 89. Yeah. And they have the
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: two boys, and then why do you think they divorced?
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: Was he just still wanting to, was that when Viagra
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: came out, and then she didn't want to be with
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: a cheater?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Coincidentally, it was when Viagra came out, but I don't
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: think that's why I think I mean, I don't really know.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: You'd have to ask her. But I think Kimberly just
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: wanted to, like, travel more and do more things. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: eventually there was a— from his side of the story is
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: there was a New Year's Eve party, and she left
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: and took the kids to Hawaii, which I kind of
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: find it hard to believe somebody would, like, do that
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: last minute and not just ditch somebody at a New
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Year's Eve party. So I don't know what her side
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: of the story was. But his side of the story
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: was that he was, like, ditched at a New Year's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Eve party. So I don't know. Yeah.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: And, okay, so then— So the show goes on and
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: then where, how does it come to an end? And
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: so like for the three of you, I know it
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: went on for like one more season with those two
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: other girls. But like you guys were on it for,
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: it went with you guys on it for how many years?
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Five seasons. Okay.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: And then how did it, and then did you all
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: three leave at the same time, the show?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: It ended up kind of being like that. Kendra kind
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: of stopped participating around season four. Like if you watch
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: season four, she's all of a sudden not really in
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: it as much. Oh, okay. And wanted to go do
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: her own thing. Sorry. And wanted to go do her
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: own thing. And E decided to do a spinoff with her.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: And then Bridget got a job doing a show for
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Travel Channel. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, yeah. So you
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: were going to leave and do that, but I kind
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: of always felt like you would go do that. And
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: you know when you're filming a really obvious show, you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: really only filming like six months a year max. I
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: kind of felt like you, I don't know what your
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: plan was, but I kind of felt like you would
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: go do that and then come back and do Girls
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Next Door.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: I was thinking that too. I kind of had one
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: foot out the door, like I was wanting to date
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: and stuff. So I was sort of thinking about moving out,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: but I still thought there was time and I would
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: go film the beaches, come back, film Girls Next Door,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: go to beaches.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And for me, you know, I had planned on staying.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I loved my job at the studio and everything. And
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: they had planned on Girls Next Door just continuing and
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: being more inclusive of, like, the playmates and the girls
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: at the studio, and it would be kind of more
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: about that. More like about the business.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But I decided to leave because after Bridget and
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Kendra left, things just got– I mean, there were other things, too. Like,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I was getting a little bit older, and I wanted
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: to have kids, and Bridget and Kendra left, and Hef
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: just got so hard to deal with that I just–
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I couldn't do it. I just left suddenly. And the
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: producers of the show– sorry– And the producer of the
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: show was so mad at me because he had planned
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: on the show to keep going. And so he was
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: really angry I left, but I had to do it.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: So that storyline that we would see that was like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Holly is like, when am I getting my ring? Why
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: aren't I getting married? was that not true? Was that
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: not something you ever really wanted? Or was it something like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: I put in my years that I do want to
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: get married. I do want to be Mrs. Hefner.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: No, I did want it. But I will say that
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I played into it on the show more and they
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: love to repeat things. So I swear I'm not that
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: obnoxious in real life.
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Like I'm not like.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: When are we getting married? But I thought it was
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: kind of funny on the show to joke about it.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Like if I was throwing a baby shower and I
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: had a baby outfit, I was like, oh, this is cute.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I wish I could have one. Like, I said that
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff thinking it would be funny on the show,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: and it was.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: And it kept up with the drama, too. So it
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: was true, but I'm not that annoying. I swear to God.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So when did you, like, okay, so you're doing
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: the travel show, and then the show ended as the
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: three girls.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Like, how did that happen? Because you did say, I
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: want to move out. I am done with you. Yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm done. I'm moving out.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: And what was that day that you finally were like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: This is it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: I know what day it was. Well, I don't actually
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: know the date.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like, what was
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: the moment? That, like, aha moment. This is it.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: I've thought about it for a long time.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And this is it. And this is why. And I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: not turning back. Like, what was that? It was a
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: lot of things leading up to it. Like I said,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: with the relationship. And, like, we'd done in vitro. Oh,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: you had? Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: This was the real deal.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: With Hef's sperm?
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Yes. And it didn't work.
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, was that on the show?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: It wasn't on the show because we wanted to keep
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: it secret because, you know, when you're trying to get pregnant,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: you don't want to, like, necessarily. I mean, some people do.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, I feel like that now is the
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: storyline for every reality show is someone freezing their eggs
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: or going through in vitro.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: But if you watch the show, there's reference to it. Like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: in season four, I'm leaving to go to Jamaica, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I go, you know, saying, oh, if we got married,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't go on so many trips. Not that I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: even going on so many trips. I was going one
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: trip for my sister's wedding in, like, seven years of
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: living there.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: And then he goes, well, let's work on the baby first.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: And that was while we were doing in vitro. So
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: he makes comments, but, like, we hadn't come out and, like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: said anything.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: And not only that, but I did the egg retrieval
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: while we were doing it, and I wanted it to
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: be on the show because I thought it was really important,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: especially back then. People weren't really talking about it yet.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And they refused to show it because it showed me–
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: thinking of a life that wasn't revolving around the mansion.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Got it yeah they wouldn't even show that I was
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: in real estate school because they wanted it to look
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: like I had no outside aspirations besides have.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah we were supposed to look like we were never
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: going to leave there that this was our life and.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Forever yeah so with um so did you actually do
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: it in vitro like the the embryo winning you no
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: because his sperm didn't work that's what I was gonna
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: ask I'm like yeah So was it shocking when you
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: heard in the Secrets of Playboy that the one twin–
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: so then the twins came after you. The twins came
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: after that. You're featured in the Secrets of Playboy. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: one of the twins says she got pregnant by having
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: the regular sex with Hef and went forward with an abortion.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: What is your thoughts? Did that surprise you then?
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm never going to say I don't believe anybody's
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: story because I wasn't there and everything can happen. But
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: it's surprising. Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: You know, considering what I know.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: It's surprising for any man that age. Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: For any man that age. And then after he's already done,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: tried to do the in vitro stuff.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: And it was unsuccessful.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: But anything can happen.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you just never know.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't like it when people come from my
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: story and say, well, I was there in the 70s
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't like that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I'm like.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: You don't know. You weren't there when I was there.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: I always say whenever somebody says that, I'm like, you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: I'm sure there were a million waiters in Best Boys
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: that said OJ Simpson was the nicest guy in the world.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: There probably still are.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: Exactly. Because someone's experience doesn't mean that their experience wasn't
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: their experience. But just because you had a great experience
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: with someone doesn't mean that that person's story is not true.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: And maybe, you know, and also with a situation like that,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: a guy like Hef or a guy, you know, they
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: know who to pursue and who to just be like, hey,
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: hope you had a good time at the party.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Bye bye. You know, who's the vulnerable one?
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: Who's the one that can be manipulated, especially a guy
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: that's been doing it? For 80 fucking years. Like, they're
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: really good at it at that point.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: Of choosing who's going to be accommodating and who's not. Yeah, like,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: you never saw anybody in the group when we were
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: there that ever had, like, any, like, wealth or career
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: or really anything like that. It was always girls who
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: were hard up.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: That didn't have anything to fall back on. Right.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that are going to put up with it because
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: what would they do?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: You know? So, in doing this, were you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Able to stop, like sock some money away. Cause you
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: said now they're paying you a little bit. And, um,
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: I know when Kendra was here, she was like, she
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: was able to make a little bit of money doing
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: like appearances and stuff. And that she was kind of
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: trying to say, but then they would try to take that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: Like they would, they didn't like that, that you could
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: like go make a, do a club appearance for five
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: grand or whatever. So did you guys find that to
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: be the case as well?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I definitely did save a ton of money and
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: I started investing in real estate. Like I went to
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: school for real estate investment. So I was always watching
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: my back and trying to like build a future for
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: myself because, you know, you always kind of felt, too,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: at the mansion, like the rug could be pulled out
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: from you at any moment. Or he could die at
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: any moment, you know?
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: Right, and if he died, it's not like you were, like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: in a will. Yeah, you weren't a wife. You didn't
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: have a kid with him. So, yeah, you'd just be screwed. Like,
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: they'd probably be, like, knocking on your door the next day.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Pack up your little dog and, like, yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: So you come back and you guys are all like, okay,
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: you've got your travel show.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: You've got stuff cooking.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: You're like, okay. And when you tell him, so what
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: was the day? Oh, the day. Okay, so it was
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: all this stuff leading up to it. So I was
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: kind of ready to go anyway. But I was in
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Vegas working on a Playmate shoe and I went out
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: to eat with somebody whose name I'd rather not mention.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: But when I was talking to this guy who I
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: thought was cute and realized, oh, I could have feelings
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: for this guy. Like nothing happened, but I realized I
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: could have feelings for this guy. And then Hef called
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: the next morning and was like, I had security following
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: you the whole time. You need to get back here,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: you know. And I was like, I can't do this.
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: I can't.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Like, it's done today.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: So you go to, like, a lunch. You have, like,
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: a little flirty lunch, but nothing happens. And you find
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: out later you had no idea that you were being
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: followed and, like, under surveillance.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: That is so creepy.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so creepy.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: And so how old are you at that point? I
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: was 29. And, um, so when you, so then you're like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: so then you, so how do you tell him I'm done?
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Well, the next day I told him, you know, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: think I'm moving out. You know, I, you know, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: want to get married and have kids someday. Like that's
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: an easy excuse to give. It's true. And it's something
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: he can't do like physically. Um, And he didn't want
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: to let it go. He kept trying to convince me
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: to stay. He even did put me in his will,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: left the will on my side of the bed so
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I could see it. And what did it say? That
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: I'd get $ 3 million when he died. But, you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: my mind was made up and I packed up my
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: stuff and I left.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: And.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: Okay, so then you go– one of the things from
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: the show, as I remember it, is that you guys
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: did have– I want to say maybe it was one episode,
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: but I feel like there were several episodes where you
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: guys did go to Vegas as a foursome. You know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: on the Playboy and go to the Playboy suite and
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: everything at the Palms.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: But we had to fly right back and be home
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: by 9 o'clock. Even if he was with you or
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: not if he was– Oh, not if he was with us. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: he would go sometimes.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: And I remember that was the first time, the 9
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: o'clock thing, and I just thought that was so weird.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: And then, like, Kendra said that, you know, because there
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: was the 9 o'clock curfew, she still kind of dated,
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: but she'd have to, like, do it in the afternoon. Like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: you could go off and do lunch and stuff.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: You could do.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Whatever you wanted during the day, but you had to
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: be home by 9 o'clock. And Kendra was hardly ever
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: around during the day.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: But do you– and obviously security wasn't following you guys then. Otherwise,
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: who would have known?
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, they could have been.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: But, yeah, he would have known.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: They might have been.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I always felt like Hef kind of knew Kendra wasn't
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: going to stick around that long, though. So maybe he
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: did know. I think he did know. I'm pretty sure
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: he did know. Because of some security he did have
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: with her on some trips. I think he knew, but
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: just was like, whatever, it's working for the show.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: So you get your variety show at the Planet Hollywood.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: And they also say, we'll follow you that follow the cameras.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: You have a reality show part of it, right? They
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: were filming it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: So I wanted to do a spinoff about my life
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: in Vegas and I was just shopping it around with
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: a manager. But then when he expressed interest because of
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: the contracts we had to sign before season five of
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: Girls Next Door, I had to do it with the
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: same production company that did Girls Next Door. That was
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: locked in according to the contract.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: So I think.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Kevin, the producer, was excited about doing my show once
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: it started, but he hated me in between Girls Next
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Door and that show. Like, he used to write open
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: letters to the message board, like, just making me sound
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: like a horrible person. From him? Yes, he signed it. Like,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I could go online and find it. Stacey put it
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: on her blog.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: And what was he basically saying?
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: He was saying that I had been over Hef for
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: years and that I was dating this other guy behind
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: his back the whole time, which wasn't true, and that
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: I was mad because I didn't get my own spinoff,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: which nobody was ever talking about. He was just trying
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: to make me sound like the villain, like I ruined
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: the show. Wow.
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. So when it ended for you, then you
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: were doing the travel thing. And how often were you
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: guys all talking? At this point, was Kendra not really
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: close to you guys anymore? Or did you go to
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: her wedding?
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what? When we were leaving, I loved Kendra.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I thought that we had had kind of our sibling
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: rivalry while we were there. Right. But I felt like
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: after she was with Hank, she just seemed like so
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: much more mature and so happy. And I feel like
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: we were all three just so happy for each other
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: and the direction our lives were going. Like we all
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: got together to do commentary for seasons four and five
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: of Girls Next Door after we moved out. And you
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: can even hear in the commentary, like we're just getting along.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: We're all happy for each other. Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: So that was then. And we were in the wedding.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: You were in the wedding.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: We were in the wedding. We stayed in contact. I
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: threw her baby shower.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: And so what happened then? Was it that when you
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: wrote your book, Down the Rabbit Hole, and you became
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: pretty frank about things? Is that when she kind of
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: was like, I disagree and cooled on hanging out?
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: No, it was before then because I was doing my spinoff.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: She was doing her spinoff. We have Kevin, the producer,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: doing both. But was her spinoff, was Ani too? Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: it was Ani. Okay. So he's doing the spinoffs. And then,
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: and I write, I go into more detail about her
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: in my book. But things got weird with me and Kendra.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: And I felt like he was encouraging that. Like he
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: wanted us fighting. He wanted drama.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: He wanted me to come on her show and like
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: brag about how much money I was making in Vegas.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: So she'd get a little poke in the ass to
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: do take more jobs to make her show more interesting.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: That's what he told me. And things got weird between us.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: And it got to the point eventually where I had
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: a falling out with that producer. I was on the
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: phone screaming with him and he admitted to me that he.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Wanted us to not get along because he thought it
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: would be good publicity. Right. And I'm like, I don't
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: want any part of that bullshit. You know, I'm pregnant.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be stressed out. I don't want
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: to be fighting with people and looking like shit and
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: tabloids for publicity that benefits your dumb show.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Like, bye.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And so by the time I wrote this, I
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: was mad.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: I was mad at him. I was mad at Kendra.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, so then the next book came out, The Vegas Diaries,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: and in this, where are you in your life talking
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: about what's going on here at this point?
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was talking about my life in Vegas and
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: just lessons I learned dating, but I don't drop names
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. Yeah, and at this point you're
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: married when you write the second book. I was married
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: when I wrote the first one, and my husband was
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: always super supportive of me telling the truth about my experience.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: So then when did you guys– now, what's your situation?
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Are you single?
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: What's happening, Bridget?
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: No, I met somebody almost right away. I actually met
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: him at the mansion, and we've been dating ever since.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: We've been together for 14 years.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, really?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: So you're like a Goldie Hawn and– Like, do you
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: think you'll ever get married?
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: Or that, why get married?
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to. We've been engaged. There's, like, a
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: lot of reasons why we haven't done it yet. But, yeah,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: we plan to, for sure.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: But you don't have kids? No.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: And so, and you guys live here in L.A.? Mm-hmm. Okay, perfect.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: What did you think of the Secrets of Playboy?
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Because you were not a part of it, right?
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: I did do one day of interviewing. They put almost
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: nothing that I... That I said in there, my experience
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: and looking back on my experiences with Hef and the
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: mansion are pretty positive. I would say 98% of it
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: is positive. There were a few stories that I had
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: of things that I didn't think were quite right or whatever.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: And those are the only stories that they used and
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: they used them to pretty much like kind of back
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: up what I was saying, back up Holly's stories.
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: Which was what?
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Barely in it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: Basically what?
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't watch it, so I didn't see which ones
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: they chose.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't even watch my episode. They did 12 episodes.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: I watched all of them except episode two just because
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I don't want to watch myself talk about my trauma again.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: I can't take it. But every other episode I watched,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: and it came out over the course of 12 weeks,
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: I had nightmares after I watched them. It's intense.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: I feel like I did too.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: It's not like I was ever there.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Because being that it was once a week and it's like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: It drags on the suspense.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: You can't binge it.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: It's interesting because there's all these documentaries.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I was joking the other day. other day on my show.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: I'm like, isn't it weird that we grew up never
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: watching a documentary and now that's all anybody talks about
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: or watches?
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: And so it's, like, when you watch, like, a documentary that's, like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: a three-part or four-part and you watch it all in
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: one night and it's disturbing, you're, like, whew. Like, you
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: have one bad and then you forget it. But this was, like,
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: every week. And then they even are, like.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: Adding stuff.
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, now we have another one.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: People came forward.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: And, like.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: And it was just, like... Dramatic. It was really dramatic.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Even for people that, like, have nothing to do with it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: I didn't watch it, but I still... got messages about
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: it and people I knew were watching it and telling
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: me things. And then there'd be like little snippets on
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: like news outlets. And I'm just like, Oh, I don't
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: want to know this stuff.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: And so what about when, what did you think when
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: he married his last wife, Crystal?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many things to think. There was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: the whole runaway bride debacle.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: Right. So what happened? They were engaged, but then she bailed.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Bailed. And then they got married.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Wasn't it like the night before the wedding or something?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Something crazy like that.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Or something like right before. And it was a lifetime special.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: So it bailed on the whole TV show and everything.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: Oh, it was going to be. I thought you were
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: just going to say it's like a Lifetime movie.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: It really was going to be a filmed Lifetime special.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: And she really just left the day before. And then
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: this is like vaguely coming back to me. And then
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: what happened? And how later did she come back then?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I think maybe a year or two. I'm not really
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: sure on the timeline.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, I thought it was quicker than that, but I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: don't remember either.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: So she was with him all the way until the end,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: until he passed. And then she did a tweet that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: went quite public because she tweeted to you about the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: fact that it got revealed in the Secrets of Playboy
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: that there were video cameras in the room. And so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: there were all this footage. I hope there weren't video
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: cameras in the room. Maybe not video cameras.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Photos.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: Photos.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: There were photos of all you guys. And then she said,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: I did find all the photos. And I threw them out.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Thank God.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: And, and that was also kind of nice.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: Because she did.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: Otherwise she didn't participate in this.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: And, um, which I can understand why, like, well, it's scary.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't even want to do it. Like I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: admire the director's work and we'd had some amazing, really
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: long conversations about it. But for the longest time, I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: didn't want to do it. Cause I'm like, I already
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: wrote my book. I said what I need to say,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: sitting down and doing like a day. I mean, I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: did two interviews with them and one of them lasted
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: all day. And I just don't want to sit and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: talk about my trauma again. Like I did not want
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: to do it. Eventually I finally decided to do it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: just because I knew so many other women were coming
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: forward and I know what it feels like to come
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: forward and not have anybody have your back. So I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: wanted to be supportive of that. But, but even after
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: that I was scared cause I'm like, how are they
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: going to edit me? Are they going to make me
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: sound like I said something I didn't say? So it was,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: it was scary. Like I had very mixed feelings going
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: into it. And, um, Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think she's like living a great life now.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: And I mean, she seems happy with some cute young guy.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: I went on Instagram. I'm like, wow, that's a switch.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about the girls next level and like what
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: you've recorded and what you've like. Just talk about it,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: like what you think, because I think it is such
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: a cool reflection, really.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Well, it started out with Holly doing YouTube videos.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had people request on my YouTube channel, like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: react to an episode of Girls Next Door. So I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: did a couple. The first three were hard to watch.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: And you know now, going back and watching them, it's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: really emotional. Like, I feel like we were done so
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: dirty in those first couple of episodes. How is it,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: tell me, Bridget, like, how is it when you look
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: at it? Like, what? Because you just went, like.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: You just like had a visceral reaction.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Because Holly warned me that the first three episodes were
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: really hard to watch. And when she said that, I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: thought she just meant like kind of just getting used
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: to watching them again. And once you get past like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: three episodes, you're good. I didn't realize until I just
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: watched them. I just watched them not last night but
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: the night before. And I'm still traumatized. I'm sick to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: my stomach.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: I can't sleep. I've been crying.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: What makes you sick to your stomach?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: The way we were portrayed. And how were.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: You portrayed that wasn't real for you?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: For me?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: How do you feel that you were portrayed and it's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: upsetting you because that wasn't your authentic self?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: If you want, I could jump in with one thing
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: you did in that episode if it's easier. That I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: think is messed up. They make it look like Bridget is, like,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: plying all the new playmates with drinks to, like, mess
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: them up for their shoot the next day because she's jealous.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Which isn't what she said at all, but they cut
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: and paste it so it looks like she's literally trying to, like,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: shove shots in everybody's face because she wants to sabotage.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: And I think that's messed up and... Borderline illegal.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: And what I was talking about in that.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and if it's not true, that's just shitty.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's absolutely not true. And I don't plan
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: the going out schedule or how much girls drink or what.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: I have no control over that stuff. But what it
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: boils down to is that I had wanted Playmate so bad,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: like way long before I'd even been to the mansion.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: I tested before I even lived at the mansion. And
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: I was talking about my insecurities with that and how
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: jealous that I was when I see all these girls
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: coming and going and getting it and making Playmate of
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: the year and all this stuff. And it's really, really
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: hard to watch. And so I can't help but be
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: critical sometimes of them, like, oh, she kind of has
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: a bad boob job, or maybe her hair, you know, whatever.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: And they just took that and made it look like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: I was ridiculing everybody that came, that I was just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: this jealous bitch, that I was getting people drunk and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: sabotaging their pictorials. And even little things, too. There was
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: tiny things that at first, when I was first watching it,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, they're just trying to be funny
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: in the edit, but... Like, I would joke with somebody.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: A girl came in wearing a similar dress to me,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: and I was like, she's like, oh, I hope you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: don't mind. And I say, no, I totally mind. Take
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: it off. And then I laugh, and we're just joking
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: because we're really great friends. But they take out the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: laugh and that I'm just joking, and it shows me saying, no,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: I want you to take it off. And just leaving
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: it at that. And just like, and at first I thought,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: it's just a reality show, so I'm not going to like,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, they do stuff like that.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: But then when you start seeing it consistently to her
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: And only us. They never did that to Kendra. Ever.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: So we are immediately, immediately in episode one being made
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: out to be the bitches.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: Right. That is true. And maybe that was the half
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: character thing. When he said, I have your characters planned.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: Do you recall what? he wanted your characters to be.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think that part came from him. I think
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: that came from the executive producer. And that's confusing too,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: because we went on to feel like we had a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: close friendship with Kevin. And now as we get older
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: and look back and see what he did, it's really,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: it's a bad feeling. But, um, Hef wanted me to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: be completely devoted to him. He was like, you're the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: one who cares about me. Bridget's the one who wants
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: a career and Kendra's the one who wants to have fun.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Like that was his idea of what our characters were.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: But I think it was more the producer who wanted
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: the drama and wanted us to look mean and, you know,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: didn't care.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: So Holly, I haven't watched all the episodes. She has
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: because she's been doing the YouTube videos, but I've only
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: watched up to episode three right now. And I am traumatized.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, when I did those first reaction videos,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: I was telling the viewers, I'm like, I don't know
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to continue these because they're not great
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: for my mental health. Like, I just come off watching, like,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: The Secrets of Playboy, and then I'm watching this, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't have the bandwidth for this.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: That's what I told Holly. I said, I don't know
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: if I can keep watching these. I'm literally sick over this.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: And she was like, no, it gets better, I swear.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I think I need to go
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: to bed. And so I, like, went to bed early.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: I thought maybe if I just sleep on it in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: the morning, I'll feel better about it. I woke up
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: the next morning. I was– yesterday– sick to my stomach.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: Do you have dreams?
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep.
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  Speaker 6: Do you have dreams? Are you a dreamer that has
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  Speaker 6: vivid dreams?
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  Speaker 5: I rarely remember my dreams.
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  Speaker 6: Very rarely. Do you have vivid dreams?
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  Speaker 4: I do. I had a nightmare. I was back at
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: the mansion every single night after Secrets of Playboy.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes when I either read something or something's on my mind,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: I have very vivid dreams where I can remember the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: next day and I'm like, Oh, my God. Like, bitch,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: get out of my dream. Like, why did you come back? Like,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: what the fuck? Like, I haven't thought about you in, like,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: three years. Like, what the hell? But something will happen,
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  Speaker 6: and that person's there, and it's, like, very strange how
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: that works.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was just like, I don't know if I can
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: do this. And she's like, I swear it gets better.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: So I'm hoping. I'm hoping it gets better from here.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: It'll probably be a good, like, therapeutic end-in-the-end therapy. kind
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: of fun hopefully oh no I think it will especially
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: us being able to talk together and being able to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: be so candid on a podcast like you can't say
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  Speaker 4: anything really on YouTube without getting flagged so that's what
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: inspired me to do the podcast is there's so much
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: more I wanted to say that you can never say
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: on YouTube without getting your channel shut down so yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah so she called me one day and she was
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: like you know I've been doing these on the YouTube
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: but there's so much more I want to say would
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: you ever be willing to like do a podcast about
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: it and I was like And like I said, my
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: whole experience looking back on it is like 95%, 98%, whatever, positive.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: I don't have ill feelings to Kendra or Hef or
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Kevin or anybody. And so I was like, yeah, I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: totally would do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And sometimes time, you know, it's like time heals all wounds.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it is the time. Like sometimes it does take
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: a long time to get over something, especially when it's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: a relationship and work. And in the big, you know,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: public eye. It's like a threefold, you know. When you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: guys were, like, at the mansion doing stuff, would any, like,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: of these old crony friends of his, would they ever, like,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: hit on you or be like, can you bring a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: girl for me or anything?
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  Speaker 4: They definitely knew not to come anywhere near any of Hef's.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: Girls there was like a golden rule they were barely
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: allowed to talk to.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: Us and what did you think of that part in
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: the in it um In the Secrets of... It's just, like,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: coming to me. I know, there's so much.
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  Speaker 6: Where the, like, the doctor, that you said you met
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: the doctor. The doctor, and there was, like, I want
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: to say I saw it on there, like, that the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: daughter thought maybe they had a romantic relationship, Hef and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: the doctor. Like, there was things that came in later that, like,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: I remember hearing, like, that he, when he was having sex,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: had male porn on TV. And that kind of thing,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: which kind of came out later. What did you think
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: of all those stories?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think maybe they were both in the same
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: orgy in the 70s or something like that. But when
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: I was with Hef, I always really liked his doctor.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: And I never sensed, like they were close friends, but
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: I never sensed anything like romantic or sexual between them.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: And I always felt like the doctor was super supportive
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: of my and Hef's relationship too.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But also like things change over the decades. Like
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: things might have been completely different in the 70s than
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: they were in the 2000s. So I don't know what
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: went on back then.
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  Speaker 6: Right. They might have had some special bond.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe they grew out of it and the relationship evolved.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: Or maybe it was one of those things that because
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: he saw himself as such like a sexual revolution maybe
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: he tried it.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 4: He definitely tried it. Like he's admitted to that.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: He's tried gay sex.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You know, but that was I don't know about him
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: and his doctor.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: But it's crazy because if you like Google or like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: I Googled something about it and then an article came
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: up that was like the love of Hef's life and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: it showed a picture of the doctor. And I'm like,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: he would turn in his grave. It was just so weird. Right.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: Well, tell everybody where they can follow you guys and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: listen to the show and all of that.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: You can find Girls Next Level anywhere you find podcasts.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: You can follow Girls Next Level underscore podcast on Instagram.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: I'm Holly Madison on Instagram. She's Bridget Marquardt on Instagram.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: And it was so great. I've had such a good time.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: Thank you for being like letting me like ask all
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: the juicy questions and answering them all and being canics.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: I think it's so interesting and I'm excited for this.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: I think it'll be a big hit.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
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  Speaker 3: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
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• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
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  Speaker 3: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
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  Speaker 6: So easy.
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