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Ep. 1144: The Grand Adventure of Life (and the North Pole) with Phil Wall · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are these glorious, beautiful, spectacular, crazy, messed up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People are going to come and be, and yet we are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can be parents and can be good sons, good daughters, good brothers, good sisters, good partners.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good husband, we are enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for adventuring with us, as we discover what incredible athletes and outdoor enthusiasts are doing all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's your host, Kurt Lindville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello friends, welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is my honor today to share some time with Phil Wall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for you to sit in and enjoy listening to this guy, he's an amazing man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's done lots of big adventures, lots of big endurance events, a North Pole expedition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: running the Yukon Ultra, the Welsh 3000, Viking 500K in Malawi and it goes on and on and on, but in addition to that, he's just had an adventurous life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a policeman in the UK, worked on the riots squad, worked for the Salvation Army in Russia, has so many stories about what happens when you live life a little bit larger and I'm just really excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to learn more and to hear more and to visit with Phil Wall, Phil, welcome to the program.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you can see me probably, you'd be seeing an Englishman blush.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which doesn't happen often to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But thank you, yeah, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely joy to be with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for inviting me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the listeners probably know who you are a little bit already because I've mentioned your name in relation to our Kilimanjaro trip that we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Phil is the co-founder with his wife Wendy for We See Hope, which is the organization for which we are climbing Kilimanjaro to raise our money to help the kids in Africa and we're going to talk a little bit about that at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even mention that you're a life coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that you're a motivational speaker?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most people would say, this is not the average life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get bold easily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it is led you into some interesting places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we start with where you grew up and what led you to be interested in even just a career as a police officer?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's adventurous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what led you to chase adventure in your own life?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really great question, I don't think anyone's ever asked me that question before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I certainly wasn't that kind of child as pretty riskiverse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My parents actually worked for the Salvation Army as we moved around quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's quite a lot of instability in our life as kids.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't ever really remember seeing myself as a child as someone who had adventure us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My mother tells me she's long dead now, but bless her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But as a little boy, all I ever said I wanted to be was a policeman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we had lived in Northern Ireland from 1968 to 1974, which, if you know, history were very, very bad years in the province.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she felt it was something to do with that, that I'd been around that awful, awful violence and tragedy in Northern Ireland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she said that somehow in my head as a child, those two, I wanted to try and be part of the answer to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't really call that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do remember that the careers evenings were largely a waste of time, although I did also apply to join them, the Welsh guards, the military.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I ended up choosing, please, could that a nice of Jim?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's how it's got to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when you're 16, hey, you know, it's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think I think that probably began for me as I look back trying to reflect now as you ask the question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I, I embraced the concept of risk much more highly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't ever good at anyone sport apart from one sport I started when I was a policeman when I was 16, which is I learnt the box and I
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[SPEAKER_03]: ended up being pretty good at that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I started boxing when I was 16, but part of that got good at that was largely, you know, my kind of self-identity was very much wrapped up in that, you know, with him a little spirit, a little goal for sport of the police and the military and the amateur senior in the UK I did reasonably well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that I think brought a confidence to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the guy who was my coach, guy called John Bannon, he was that he'd been Olympic boxer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He really invested in me and I
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[SPEAKER_03]: of what a coach and mentor can do in the life of someone who genuinely believed in me and why I didn't believe in myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think those days being in that kind of environment, building confidence, learning some skills that that have felt confident in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're at the first time in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had any sense of self-belief or confidence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, somebody I just want to my offices at the Training College, then please try to just commenting to me that I appear to come across very confident.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now if you just say to me, do you feel confident, you know, I said no, but if you say, would do you back yourself to get this done or get that done, the answer, the answer would be yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think something happened to me in my two things, firstly, that experience working with that mental learning from him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I learned to back myself and as I think about it and I tried it obviously because of the job I do and over coaching courses then therapy courses and sessions have been on about to be lots of self in the work and a thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually do and I hope that's
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[SPEAKER_03]: that doesn't sound arrogant, but I just find myself in most situations, I've learned to back myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that means that when it comes to things like adventure, when I think about it, and maybe it's because I'm too dumb to think about, how do you do some of these things out?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, you know, I've got this, I've got this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there was two things, really, firstly that, and then when I was nearly 20 years away, I had a faith encounter with Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had this kind of life conversion experience,
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[SPEAKER_03]: relational kind of cosmic level.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I found a deep, deep purpose in living out what it would mean to be a follow-in Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think those in those three or four years and kind of mid-teens to late teens, those two things I think were very profound in me becoming the person I've become.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in lots of ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hope that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As a reflectant, because I'm not really thought about it and what you asked that question before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that has opened up a whole raft of possibilities and opportunities for me over the years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Being willing to want me to say yes to things that might
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go back to the backing yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the people know how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be candid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've interviewed hundreds of guests for the Adventure Sports Podcast if not more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the questions I ask often is why, you know, why do you do the things you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people have been really candid and they just said, well, I wanted to be enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I felt like I had to do something big so I could believe that I was capable or worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always feel like, wow, but then quite often they come around to say, and then I found out that that's not what this is about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they grew beyond that initial wanting, but when you say back yourself, I think a lot of people don't really know how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do people do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do do you get behind yourself and say, no, I'm going to do what it takes and I'm going to be all I can be in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think I think it's more about being than it is about doing if that's in
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this kind of psychologically and I think this theological, we are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are, like his measurement, he's measuring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are these glorious, beautiful, spectacular, crazy, messed community of people, go to human beings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet we're enough, we can be parents, we can be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: good sons, good daughters, good brothers, good sisters, good partners, good husbands, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are enough, can we be perfect?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look, but oh we are enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean someone asked me once on another podcast a few years ago actually we were talking about being a dad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're a great dad?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I'm a great dad, but I think I was a good nust dad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that was good enough because the benchmark isn't perfect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think perfectionism is for the birds, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's just silly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd make it much standard for you to go forgive me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think I just think there's something glorious and, and I've seen this in Africa, I've got to go to Africa at some point, but I've seen some kids in environments where every single thing that could possibly be against them is against them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yet they're back themselves, they go through it, and they achieve the most remarkable things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and yet every single thing that you could think of that would be a hindrance in a challenge, is that, and yes, they persevere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the other question is how to people, I actually think it is, it's about two things I think, it's about a choice, you know, it's about it's about belief, I choose, I choose to believe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wait for my emotions to carry out, but I think one of the great challenges for it, particularly in the modern day,
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[SPEAKER_03]: to set the tone, to set the bar with our emotions to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We know your emotions to go, you're never going anything to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because our emotions are like this, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're over the place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it begins firstly with a choice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I choose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I choose to back myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what it's going to mean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I'm going to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm going to make a choice set.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Out of the choice of back myself, not back myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to choose to back myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we execute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We give it a go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we make it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just keep going and you go again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you fail, you pick yourself up, you just
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[SPEAKER_03]: You go again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, how are we going to get anything done if we don't do it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's well said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pick yourself, dust yourself off, go again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people would say, well, you're just cocky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just think you can do anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the difference between being cocky and backing yourself?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, did say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They wouldn't be the first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a truckiness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably it's sometimes it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably stand more cock-show than I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a speaker, I'm a communicator and I use language in a certain way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in all honesty, I'm probably more insecure around many of these things than I might sound.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But feeling insecure at times, I'm backing away from something, a two completely different things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That can be different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the lessons I've learnt and certainly a hope of dumbness, as a father, I've tried to communicate this, is that you're just keep going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It gets tough, it gets hard, you fall down, you're making a mistake, you fail, you dust yourself off, you go again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If it's worth it, you just keep going, you just keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very common theme on our podcast field because people try to do very, very big physical events, and they find out that if they just keep going, they can do things they never dreamed they could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not just about physical prowess or physically running the ultramarathon,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also about just keep going in life when life is really hard when emotionally you're drained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got nothing left in the tank, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No gas, but you have to keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell us about a time in your life when you experience that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I've got a multiple times multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a couple of times I have given up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to give the impression I'm never given up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of times I've had, you know, look back at one of the events that I didn't complete.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that I've completed that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you always willing to?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Could I have dug a bit deeper?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I could have done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, I am not someone you can have some fight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just someone who doesn't get up easily.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and has often given us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that there are multiple times when, you know, did we talk about the endurance events where I felt, and I've not, I've not achieved what I wanted to achieve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when I look back on it, well, I started, and that in a few many of these events, you know, that's the bar, you're starting, you're in the brave, you've put yourself in the place whereby you might fail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think for lots of people, they avoid adventure, they avoid challenge,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because what they fear is a concept of failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't fear failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I genuinely don't feel afraid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've failed many times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't fear failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I sufferly, I see it as a great opportunity to learn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see it as an opportunity to go again, to give it another shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's just part of life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're never going to get anything done in life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In any sphere of life, it is
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[SPEAKER_03]: in our families, in our endeavors, our work, our philanthropy, whatever, we're having that, anything like, if, actually, the door we won't walk through is the possibility of failure, what will we get done if we're not willing to walk through that door?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I lack courage, but I don't see myself of a particularly brave man, but I don't lack the ability to walk through a door that I might fail for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I genuinely don't fear failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to fail, I'm getting secure about failing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I fear my self esteem at times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was talking to a friend about last night if I can be candid, you know, if I ever, I was listening to a podcast on Pride and I realized that actually I thought about I'll work here in the U.S. and what we've tried to do is raise, you know, a few million bucks for the work in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we go home to the UK in a few years time and I have failed as I thought about it, the thing that was hurting with the most
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[SPEAKER_03]: was not that I felt gorgeous, precious, vulnerable at once in Africa, but the full war would have been seen to be a failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was in class.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was embarrassed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was embarrassed, as I'm dead of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to laugh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to laugh, feel, because I know Vitali, you've already impacted positively, 850,000 lives in Africa, 850,000, and then to say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I wasn't, I was a failure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The chat point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But hey, I'm part of a team of people right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And my bit up there is to tell stories, inspire, feel a best to do that, raise money, give money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's our job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, and this way is, it's all that a great team now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great team that's delivered those time and numbers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great team in Africa that delivered those numbers, not me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're privileged to be involved and as the founders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the, I think it raised a really important point around the failure piece.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I do think it's a fear of failure, rather than fear of the thing that most often stands in people's way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I often sort with clients.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, but what if I said, but what if I said, well, so what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I start again, give it another go, and I understand fear, and I've been frightened and done on numerous occasions in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We fear for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand fear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand shame and embarrassment are failing, but the idea of not doing something worthwhile, because I might fail, it is, I would just think that's completely easy to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I still often see the hindrance to people I work as a touch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think part of maturing as a human is realizing that we have a comfort zone and think of that as a circle around yourself and if you only operate in that comfort zone, that's as big as you ever get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're willing to go beyond that comfort zone, it's scary, because now you're facing the unknown, and everyone fears the unknown, it's not comfortable anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you do that, and whether you succeed or fail, you have a life experience that expands your comfort zone, and it gets you to a place where you're more effective, and you can try again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that sounds a little bit too trite, but I think it's very, very true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think sometimes, you know, I've done quite a lot of interviews over the years at different times and I think sometimes some of these phrases might sound a little bit right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think some of the times sound right to those I haven't tried with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For those of us that have kind of got the scuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The fact years ago, we go, no, actually that's pretty inspiring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's one of my favorite phrases that I've kicked up years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've used at the end of a talk I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was very privileged to present to our Prime Minister at the time and a bunch of people in Downing Street.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, quote says, you know, some men and dream at night have changed in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say I can do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The men and dream at night have changed in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely love them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right, maybe, superficial, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just love that because it's true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to anybody who's got anything of substance done in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know what sleep is and says.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know what the anxiety is three-foot in the morning years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know what those like my children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know what they know exactly what they need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why it's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It runs parallel to another phrase that might be overused, but why do we criticize the man in the ring when we're not in the ring?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a boxer, so I mean, that one's got a ring true for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that was a Roosevelt quote, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is, yeah, I don't know about you, because you certainly seem to be this kind of guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've had some good conversation together, but I have much rather be that guy bloodied in the room who gave it everything he's got than someone and getting the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you have stepped into the ring over and over and over again in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's maybe that is the spirit of adventure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure, but you said something that I was going to say to me, you said something that was really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said, this is cockiness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, some of this has been really important to me as I've thought about the adventure I've been on his.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had journey with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he had journey with him with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got your back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's carrying you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When you're carrying, it's blacken your dad, when you need to slap him down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am blessed beyond compare the number of many my life friends brothers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I give my life for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been greatly free.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got six, seven, eight brothers that I go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go to the wall for these guys and they do the save me and have been the same for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm cocky.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went through some mental health challenge in 2010 and subsequently called
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[SPEAKER_03]: The great gift my brothers to me was they wouldn't let me hide, they wouldn't let me hide.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They hunted me down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I was one of the wallowing the corner somewhere and just having only a little pity party and wallowing what I was wallowing, they hunted me down and I was so thankful for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think a part of the confidence that we can glean whatever it is we're trying to do, particularly in event sports and philanthropy and lack of a sub is when you got brothers and sisters at your side that you're knowing you trust and you've been to the wall with that breads of confidence, which is above and beyond of you, it's not about you, it's about the collective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's about what we can get done and that has, I think I wouldn't want to have this conversation without mentioning that, just my brothers that have been privileged to journey with, seem, you know, many of those adventures, that's been a profoundly important and help get me through, pairing me through at times, those challenging those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, I have to make a point for the listeners right now because I just feel like it's so important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we get really, really down, you mentioned depression, clinical depression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to isolate, which is the often the opposite of what would be most beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And many people don't have a big network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a big community in these days perhaps even more because of the black screens that we stare at all day long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not real community, right?
18:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just distraction.
18:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to point out that when you get out and do things with a team, that's how community is built.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the people you suffer with side by side who become your brothers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the beauties of adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the beauties of taking on any major goal with a team and you need to make sure that you're having those connections.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They iron sharpens iron and you can be together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so important, and if you feel isolated out there, find something you love to do, and make yourself go start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just start, but make yourself start with some sort of a group who loves it too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's last weekend.
19:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know if you've ever seen that clip, this is real isn't stuff on the, this just brought joy to my heart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a clip of the Dalai Lama spoken to a bunch of 20 somethings from around the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's sitting in his, I don't know, is a friend, whatever he's simply sitting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then all these young people are sitting there, and then there's a microphone, you know, which people are chewing up to ask questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're all, like, delight for middle-class kid, you know, young people in their 20s from, or on their kids island, in 20s, a grownman, women, but, and there, they're all sitting around it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's, delightfully young, maybe, is an American.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He came, he said, he said, now, I've asked, he said, obviously, you know, he said, many young people today, they, they struggle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with self-esteem, they struggle with self-worth, they struggle with anxiety and depression.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what, what word of encouragement and comfort would you bring to them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I'm waiting for this great pastoral movement with both, it's the Dalai Lollin after all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did that out of a pause?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Except right now, I said, how toism?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Socialism, give yourself a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You want to change your mental health?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Give yourself a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The life we got wasn't really what I was expecting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we do with it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's just something very, very powerful in that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, I would've been 100% of what you said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You find something you're passionate about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Find a bit of people when they've been adventure or a course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:39
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't give yourself a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't give yourself a way.
20:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you always receive way, way more than you ever give a way.
20:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it breaks a lot of physics, Phil.
20:47
[SPEAKER_03]: It does, but it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the more you love the more love you have to give.
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: If you burn gas out of your tank, you would think your tank would get empty, but it's not that way when you're giving yourself away.
20:58
[SPEAKER_03]: As we know, energy is infinite, right?
20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: We could have as much energy as we need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We just need to replenish it and restore it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's utterly infinite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There is zero limit on the ending map, energy that I can get access to provided, I replenish, I replenish, I replenish, I replenish, I replenish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, you know, the laws of Phnomidonics and the like, they don't apply.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Things I'd cause are already in purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, certainly you can burn out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we'd rather burn out, you know, than rust out, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, we can burn out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we need to be wise and we need to be careful and sensible when it comes to giving ourselves a way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I just think there is something so powerful and redemptive and life-giving when we give ourselves the way to others.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just something profound about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're 100% right, but I'm going to shift gears because that was beautiful so everyone bookmarked that one right there the North Pole there's a rather abrupt segue for you, but you decide to do the North Pole so here we're talking about all the ways that we live a life and do the things and then why the North Pole what happened?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I have a very dear friend of mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His name is Alan Chambers MBE.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is an X-Mormorin commander in the British military.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he led the first British team to walk unassisted to the North Pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is, they dragged everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had no assist, they had no assist, they didn't have anything dropped in, they just dragged everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the first person to have done that in the history of the UK.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he had done that and that's what he'd been on by the Cleans 4 with the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we wanted to do spot by a friend and we got to know each other and enjoy this company.
22:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were sitting at a revenue match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: England versus France.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can even remember it was in the early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we'd just have this idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What would happen?
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[SPEAKER_03]: because you have this experience now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What can we do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What can we do if we've got together a group of guys and girls, you know, high performers, and enable them to travel and journey to the North Pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we called it at the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was just early on in my kind of coaching career, kind of leadership, right, of passage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A right of passage if there's limit all experience you go through where you're in this space for a season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not what you're worth, nor yet all what you're going to become.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're in this limitless space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And many traditional cultures have these kinds of rights of fascist process.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What you call this is going to leadership right of fascist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was a 12-day expedition, three-day preparation and spit-spirgant, which is the archipelago of Greenland with all the polo bits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't see anything, but there are lots and lots of other bits.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you fly, you're getting a jet, and you fly to a runway that the people that manage it, which is the Russian community,
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[SPEAKER_03]: They managed the the building camp once a year on the ice when it's warm enough to survive but not to warm us everything in the melt and they build a runway they put apparently these to put two bulldozers on there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: each year and just let them sit to the bottom of the season and they would build a runway.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you come in and you're in a proper big boy jet, you know, and you land on the ice cube known as the North Pole, you know, as the Polar Ice Cap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we walked the last degree eight and nine to nine degrees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we had this idea, what if we could take the fun to lead us to go and do this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Have it kind of?
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[SPEAKER_03]: almost out of body experience, if you like, you know, where you're in an environment, where there is nothing around you, other than wide-out snow, where all of those things that you normally have access to to help you succeed are not available to you, where the conditions are really, really harsh, but you're going to be in a team before others, and we're going to walk this last degree to the North Pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was 89 to 90 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what is their distance?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas it was circular out of 100 miles, the problem is, of course, you're on an ice cube, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're ice cubes affected by the currents.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What we found is, over that first day in a bit, we just discovered that we would walk six, eight miles a day and then we'd pitch camp, you know, melt some ice crooks and food, eat some food, go to sleep, sleep for five, six hours and get up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then we realized that we drifted back four or five miles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just half the next day to get to back to where we finished the night before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: every day.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Now the stone is growing and I experienced there this, which is maybe this is the cockiness thing or stupidity or just dumb, where I until I got the spit to burgeon, I never had a scale my foot ever once.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I kept falling over and often I would walk well as I was skiing, but that was just with the quality of my quality of learning because you're dropping kind of two foot each time into the snow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was probably a bit dumb, but I figured it out in the end and we basically cross-country ski with skins on the on the thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was that was the adventure and then we had nine days on the ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were so many stories around this, so I don't
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just that we had this experience where we kept drifting back, so we had to do longer days, longer days, longer days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we had basically a 24 hours left.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had about 13 miles to walk and going, well, we didn't have a done 13 miles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So having to get 13 miles done because of the drift.
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
25:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and we came across what they call open lead.
25:51
[SPEAKER_03]: an opening is basically where the ice has opened up.
25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's ice, two mile drop to the bottom of the ocean, ice, you know, it's just an open water thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the professional adventurers and we're obviously we're just apart from the three guides, Alan and his two colleagues and Charlie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I say to have the six of them, they're the swam across.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We won't go in the swimming
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[SPEAKER_03]: So basically the guy said like you guys pitch camp will go left and right and see if we can find a bridge.
26:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway they came about a couple hours later and they said well there's bad news and good news.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're still working.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the bad news?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well the bad news isn't over bridge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
26:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I said what's the good news is it looks like the opposite bank has started to move towards us.
26:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And over the next four or five hours we saw millions of millions of times the polar pack eyes moving either action.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We went to bed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: get them and join that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wants to trust it and made their North Pole like that day.
26:42
[SPEAKER_03]: What is really interesting about our experience?
26:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the ice scale is from an infant to a mouth, I mean it's ridiculous.
26:48
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that had been our greatest enemy on that trip was a title drift.
26:53
[SPEAKER_03]: We're pushing against us.
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that on the last day's surface was the title drift, because it pushed the opposite bank towards us, which meant we could walk across and make the pole like that day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remark for the experience.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so many things come to mind with that, but one of them is you didn't know how to ski, so you decided to ski to the north pole.
27:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I just want to point is that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where it's done was stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When my buddy Alan, who I trust implicitly, he is, if you can have a get one here, I'll ask him next time, speak to him.
27:24
[SPEAKER_03]: He's legend.
27:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's, he's skitted across Greenland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been in the North Pole 10, 12 times there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: South Pole, 34 times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guy's a ledge.
27:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's he's the proper real deal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, hey, let's talk to a more than that adventure.
27:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He is your iconic adventure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the real deal.
27:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's giving up your figured out films that don't worry.
27:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I probably should have a wise a man would have done a bit of practice before him, but whatever reason I thought I'll figure it out when I get there.
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: The point I want to make, okay, it's two fold.
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: One is, it is good to know what you're doing before you start to do something that big, but it's the other thing we were talking about earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The willingness to try things, to step outside of your comfort zone and say, well, I'm going to either succeed or fail, but I'm going to try and you did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I see everything up to the chili event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: was kind of my responsibility to fail the opportunities in the space of the 15 grander part, et cetera.
28:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Once we got into technical stuff, that was then albums and ends, and that was all there.
28:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you should try and learn how to stand up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I look back on that, it's probably not the wisest decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not least at which, if I'd have broken my ankle or, you know, done something to then, then suddenly, other people are vulnerable because I'm injured, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It worked out.
28:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it worked out.
28:38
[SPEAKER_03]: He did work out.
28:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was a mark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see it's one of the greatest previous in my life to have been on that adventure with those men and those women who is remarkable.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: you shared a story about filling the ice, shifting while you were trying to sleep one night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard this one before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you share parts of that with the audience?
28:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, you saw this, you lying at your iron on sheets of ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're in there one night.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We just started coming up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Suddenly, I didn't have far away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's 16th year that the slot that we're on, dropped, dropped, just dropped, man.
29:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was picking my pants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were out and I had to take away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, then it all calmed down.
29:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It was all fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were nothing around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no water or anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But something with all that pressure and everything else, something 50.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'd say, well, buddy, that was that was a genuinely existential moment of fear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to go through the ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to drown in it.
29:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was, it was bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think you look back now in your laugh, but at the time, we weren't laugh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So a tad scary as we think we should say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The underspoken, that had to shift to you a little bit.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: When you experience that kind of fear for just a moment, we learned from it somehow.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you learn?
29:51
[SPEAKER_03]: What did I learn?
29:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I learned the ice from the shift, but it doesn't mean you did.
29:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there was a moment that was right at a real vulnerable moment when I was thinking, you know, this is, this is, this is my gig, right?
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It's my dad, this was our event.
30:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was lying in the freezing cold in this, in this sleeping bag.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we had these, and we filled our, our, our drinking flash up at night with hot water.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to hot more than what was so strong, stay warm?
30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know what it was, whether it was really tired from all the walking, rather than skiing, whatever, but I was just, I remember thinking,
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[SPEAKER_03]: How am I going to get off this ice?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I must have spent four, five minutes thinking under the light, should have had thinking, what, what, what, what you want about, man?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're part of the team here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're part of the leadership team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what, what can we get off the ice?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is part of your responsibility.
30:34
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just found myself consumed with anxiety and fear and just the harshness of the environment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just needed to, you know, figure this out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just need to man up.
30:43
[SPEAKER_03]: But I've found myself really quite vulnerable in my little headspace in that sleeping bag.
30:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, how am I going to get out of here?
30:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to do this.
30:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, not proud of that, but it was true.
30:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And then managed to be on that in a little while later, but it was interesting moment.
30:57
[SPEAKER_03]: From someone who kind of cries of self-as, I won't give up, I don't give up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I found myself in an environment where I'm responsible in one sentence, though I hadn't clearly was that it was the boss man on the ice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I found myself quite vulnerable thinking, I must shock and do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How am I going to get off to that?
31:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what did I learn?
31:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I wasn't as robust as I thought I was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's something that I have found to be true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joy comes in the morning.
31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So many times in the middle of the night, we get into a state of mind where the demons come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And nothing is quite, lots of the right word for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we're awake in the day, then our rational mind manages, but sometimes when we're drifting between being awake and asleep, then there's a reality that strikes, and it's not always a false reality, but there's a reality that strikes.
31:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was a very real thought that you were having, right?
31:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very real to you at the moment, but you got through some people say it's a dark night of the soul, even.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But you got through it in the next morning, how did you feel?
31:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I just shook it off that we need it.
31:58
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, get it with it, like any.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So does that inform the next time?
32:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it does because when you're interested with the leadership, and someone has a very high view of leadership, I think leadership is a privilege.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an honor to lead just a privilege.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
32:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a high view of that, and I have a high bar that I applied to myself and others around that.
32:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that the fact that I allowed myself to toy with that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: in a tired insecure moment, I didn't feel good about that and I thought that you can't lay yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I need to have much more positive self-talk, which for me with my kind of, you know, faith life is a very much a prayer life, it's like God, I think I help you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm struggling and finding this really, really difficult.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it was, I mean, I could wrap it up in all sorts of cycle battle, but I think I just realized that in that moment I wasn't as tough as I thought or what, or it hoped I was, or allowed myself to believe I was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a unique environment, but I think that the good news story is, I didn't find the way I was, and I didn't look for a way off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we can fleet at the gig right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can go everyone to the end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We go everyone there in one piece.
33:03
[SPEAKER_03]: We walked to a place that's so few feet of walks on planet Earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was this amazing moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I tried to be kind of quite profound about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was had this idea that we'd say, hey guys, we hear we are standing at the top of the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every single thing that exists on planet Earth, it's beneath our feet of this moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's unique now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what promises are you going to make to that world?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what can them and you be able to what kind of imprint what impression you're going to leave?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have this great view in my mind at this profound moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're just standing there for half a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just freezing on that topic.
33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, guys.
33:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get, let's get moving because as long as you're moving, you can stay warm.
33:36
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you stand still at that, that doesn't work.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: But people did have a little bit of time on their own.
33:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember looking into this newly iced bit of water.
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like,
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: billion diamonds just shut you know shining with the sun like it is 24-hour day like so it was a there's a deeply spiritual moment, deeply spiritual, just a sense of on the one hand you know the insignificance of who each of us is on this remarkable planet upon which we live in this vast landscape that I found myself and at the same time how to found impressions special we all are all seven billion I was already was at the time as we seek to kind of live out our
34:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of almost a paradox as a moment where a remarkable, insignificant, significant or a three-shatchy, but I've found it profoundly moving, profoundly moving, and very, very privileged to have had the opportunity.
34:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to highlight one thing.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That moment that you just described, which is amazing, right?
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That would not have happened had you not gone.
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You would have had other moments, other discoveries, other life experiences.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about the going, the brings those sorts of experiences, and those sorts of memories, and they become a part of us.
34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they do.
34:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they do.
34:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And they shape us, they shape us.
34:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I used to journal a lot more regularly in those days, and I didn't do anything.
34:53
[SPEAKER_03]: But I remember some things I wrote around that, which were quite profound in terms of, you know, who I am and who I'm becoming.
35:00
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think we're always in a state of becoming as people.
35:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'm 62 now, and often think about what kind of 70 are all that I'm going to be?
35:06
[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of grandfather I'm going to be?
35:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe one day?
35:08
[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of husband am I going to be when I'm the same?
35:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you one of these.
35:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a miserable old gets that feels around feeling victim to whatever.
35:14
[SPEAKER_03]: What happened was going on, or, you know, I'm still going to be going from.
35:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still going to be pushing.
35:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm still going to be hungry.
35:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope it's the latter.
35:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I fear it might be the former, but I pray it's the latter.
35:24
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just got to keep going, buddy.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's got to keep going.
35:27
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the cool thing, well, one of the coolest things about that was whether we raise the chunk of chunk of chunk, you obviously like the killing of the jar, I think the raised in money.
35:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And we built what is now one of the best, if not the best, special news scores in Uganda, with their A score, 110, that it's score for children with.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: hearing and speech impairment?
35:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, from the moment that we broke ground, I first shovel in the ground to have been fully self-funding and fully self-defying at the 70 years.
35:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's amazing, you know.
35:56
[SPEAKER_03]: So we bought the land, they bought more land to the grocery, they have animal husbandry school there, they have vocational training skills there, they get them in place for the teachers, it's extraordinary.
36:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Although we are not
36:12
[SPEAKER_03]: We seek to be invisible in that, and we see how many, many, many young lives have been transformed because of that.
36:18
[SPEAKER_03]: There's extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary, because of what those 15 people did, or those 18 people with the guards on the thing.
36:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's, there's just something incredibly beautiful and precious about here's this privileged opportunity.
36:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like those of us going to Kidman Jar, that we have as middle class people to be able to do these fun things.
36:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, but because of that, we were able to do this.
36:38
[SPEAKER_03]: The hundreds of children's lives are different just because of that.
36:42
[SPEAKER_03]: As in many cultures around the world, children can't speak or can't hear people who find themselves with some kind of disability like that.
36:50
[SPEAKER_03]: They find themselves disregarded and set aside and ignored or not in this school.
36:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It is if it is wrongly what some of the young people have gone into.
36:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely extraordinary.
36:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It is amazing.
37:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely amazing.
37:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Wonderful.
37:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a messapher.
37:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was a really cool thing.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That is super neat.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about WC Hope.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: The organization, he and your wife started.
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: How many years ago was it 15?
37:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the organization we launched officially in 2000 and 25 years ago.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 25 years ago.
37:19
[SPEAKER_03]: We just actually had our 25th anniversary, the House of Lords in London, which was wonderful.
37:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Hosted by my dear brother, Russ, one of my brothers, I go to the law for law and rookies, isn't it?
37:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 25 years ago, the organization was established as it is.
37:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Because my wife and I had, yeah, I mean, it's just, often think it's just, you know, with this little middle class couple in South London, it's a little kids.
37:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I met this little one in South Africa, HIV causative toddler, been abandoned by a mother, fell in love with her, 20 minutes with her, she changed my life forever.
37:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And we ended up trying to adopt one to our family.
37:56
[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of that, we, that process, having spent eight months going through that process, they found a biological grandmother existed, because when you do a transracial adoption, they have to look for other family members as a series in the family members.
38:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the biological grandmother was used to be up in the sheep decaying her guardian.
38:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't prepared ourselves in our two little ones.
38:16
[SPEAKER_03]: for another child to come.
38:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But we thought we needed to send it.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, forgive me, I hope he doesn't sound overly tired, whatever.
38:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Just we just made made a promise to God and promised to one another that number one, we tried to do something about this for the rest of our lives.
38:31
[SPEAKER_03]: We won't ever get paid for it.
38:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to serve it.
38:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And number two, we'll do it enormously and free.
38:38
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get this thing done until the day we die.
38:40
[SPEAKER_03]: As often say, you
38:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we made those promises to each other and to God, and we spent the last 25 years trying to keep that promise.
38:51
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
38:52
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the style it will story in.
38:53
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a lot of reflecting during the 25th anniversary thing, and that was people were so fun in the things they said, so so fun.
39:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just an old and really little couple from the West London, just trying to keep a promise.
39:05
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
39:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And because of what people got involved, because of all the brilliant people that got involved, you know, it's made a big difference.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's important when you find the thing that you value and you pour yourself into it in a way that positively impacts others, I think that is one of the secrets to a meaningful life.
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said this before, but people ask the question, what's the meaning of life?
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say that's a completely wrong question.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: The right question is what gives life meaning?
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And what you and Windy did, wow, not just for your own lives, but for all the people that have supported the effort, for all of the children and others who are helped along the way.
39:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's long enough now that some of these children have their own children.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even grandchildren, you know, and 850,000, a lot of people.
39:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of people fill.
39:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about a big adventure.
39:56
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's millions more that we've not yet helped, though, we need to help.
39:59
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, they see, I mean, it's wrong with me.
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the two people, I think they've really built the organization alongside of when I was, was, uh,
40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: got to the guy that's CEO for 19 years, Mark Gling, who retired real health last year.
40:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I ask a director, Osbourne will wonder who lives in the dark and turns and he's kind of our thought leader really.
40:20
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the brains that's really kind of built the methodology on the ground that's so trained with summation.
40:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we have this new CEO, Stephen Riege, came in guy.
40:28
[SPEAKER_03]: who's taken over over this last year.
40:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, we just, but we stand in the shoulders of giants, right?
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We are able to talk about the amazing things that have happened because of the work of other people.
40:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's our great privilege.
40:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope we do that well.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: And we honor people appropriately.
40:40
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, we add a little private moment to this as a couple.
40:44
[SPEAKER_03]: After the celebration, again, it's really cool.
40:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You deserve it.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You deserve it.
40:50
[SPEAKER_03]: There's only a brief moment.
40:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's really cool.
40:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really bad.
40:54
[SPEAKER_03]: We just hope I hope organized basically just getting warmed up because there's millions and millions of more precious ones that need help and support and the opportunity that every single one of them deserves.
41:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's our job to try and work with people in country to make sure they get it.
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Phil, I want to re-emphasize this.
41:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I really believe that life is the adventure.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And we fail often, and it's okay to fail.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We already talked about that, but we fail often to live that adventure to its fullest because of, you know, fill in the blank, whatever it is.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just the willingness to step out and take the first step sometimes it opens the next door.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't know what that's going to be until you start that journey.
41:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know about it.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you give an example of that?
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: How that materialized with we see hope?
41:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah.
41:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I can.
41:40
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of it's just about risk.
41:41
[SPEAKER_03]: You either spend your life of what in risk or you spend your life of managing risk.
41:45
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
41:46
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
41:46
[SPEAKER_03]: You avoid it or you manage it.
41:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's always there.
41:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always that.
41:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my car won't brush the road.
41:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope this isn't a distraction to your podcast, but it is an interesting part of our story that we were broken hard as I said when we couldn't adopt a little one and then it's all we need to raise some money.
42:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But we were punished, we don't have any money, we didn't have a house to do so just two little kids.
42:07
[SPEAKER_03]: So we had a few thousand, well, 7,000 pounds, so we're trying to save for a deposit for a house.
42:14
[SPEAKER_03]: How does this idea?
42:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a small version of it before, so we were running an event with the service normally with 1300 out of that.
42:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So we put all our savings into an account, and I borrowed so many of some other people.
42:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And then at this event, we showed a video about the cause of ads, or from which of the main focus at the time, in Africa, then gave everybody an envelope.
42:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And then inside the envelope was a 10-pound note and a book of funering a raising ideas.
42:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And we said to the people, hey look, you can do one of four things with this 10-pound note.
42:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, you can give it back if you don't want to be involved.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Number two, you can use your skills, your talents, your creativity, your fan, your community, and try to turn 10-pound and 100-pound.
42:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Or if you have the means to turn it 100-pound yourself, you're trying to turn a 100-pound door thousand pounds, you know, parallel the talents basically from the Bible.
42:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
42:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Or finally, if you think you need the money, more than the kids in Africa on the video need the money, you can keep the money.
43:04
[SPEAKER_03]: We just want you to know, it's not a company's money or a charity's money.
43:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It's our life saving.
43:09
[SPEAKER_03]: The money we've gone from other people that we're accounted for.
43:11
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd really appreciate it if you looked after it.
43:14
[SPEAKER_03]: What else do you want to do?
43:15
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to trust, if you want to, what do you do?
43:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I just thought it was right in the distance with a cryo thing.
43:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We had to do something.
43:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone interviewed me once, said, oh, was it a big strategic thing?
43:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, no, it wasn't it.
43:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like a little girl down.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I felt a doctor.
43:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt I'd let it out terribly.
43:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt that.
43:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just had to do something.
43:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to do something.
43:35
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is what we did.
43:36
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, over the next six months, at 13 grand, was turning in 158 grand.
43:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was thinking,
43:43
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an idea.
43:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I spoke to all my friends in the kind of wider kind of faith-based community who ran dig events.
43:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, look.
43:50
[SPEAKER_03]: can I come to your events and give a whole bunch of people a whole bunch of money and saving forever.
43:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't need your money.
43:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want their money.
43:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to write greatsman.
43:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So I've bought a managed to borrow half a million pounds, 500,000 pounds of some wealth and gave it out at a bunch of different events over two and a half years to 50,000 people I didn't know.
44:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And that created 2.3 million pound profit and that's how we got started.
44:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing, Phil.
44:13
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's why way way off today.
44:15
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how we got started.
44:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people you're good.
44:17
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many different ways to spend that.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They really are.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to spin it this way.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You gave first.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And you took you took significant personal risk.
44:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, other people would say, well, you guilt-tripped people into doing something about it, but let's hope that there wasn't any of that, right?
44:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more along the lines of you've been given a beautiful gift, just to live the life we live is a beautiful gift.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the question becomes, what are we going to do with that gift?
44:44
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the ultimate question.
44:45
[SPEAKER_03]: If we all ask that question on 90 basis.
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: how do I use this gift that I've been given of life?
44:51
[SPEAKER_03]: How do I use that?
44:52
[SPEAKER_03]: That is it.
44:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And the interesting is, over the years, when you heard amazing stories of the time, people did do you think they know some amazing things?
44:59
[SPEAKER_03]: They must create your things.
45:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a raise money.
45:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of them were legal.
45:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a catalyst for creativity.
45:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember one young kid, 16-year-old,
45:12
[SPEAKER_03]: and CD's.
45:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So she bought four clock mechanisms and backed them on the CD and they made CD clocks and then she bought four more.
45:19
[SPEAKER_03]: She bought more.
45:20
[SPEAKER_03]: She made 675 maps from her CD clock.
45:23
[SPEAKER_03]: People did all sorts of other events, excels, people made albums, and sold them, some of the albums really shouldn't have been made.
45:30
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, they were made, and they sold them.
45:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember there was a military guy an admirable of a ship he painted a painting and he auctioned it for £1,000.
45:37
[SPEAKER_03]: People just didn't make the most amazing, but he was all sick.
45:40
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was, it was a, it was a capitalist for, uh,
45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: for creativity that people went and did stuff.
45:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And people adopted kids for good to say.
45:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the adoption story that they got hold of.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: And they went and adopted kids from different countries.
45:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
45:55
[SPEAKER_03]: We had other people set up nonprofits.
45:57
[SPEAKER_03]: You said to me, um, and this is a London accent.
45:59
[SPEAKER_03]: They got an accent like mine.
46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: See, in our country, this is a bit of a common accent.
46:03
[SPEAKER_03]: For Cantonese, I mean, she said, you're the guise that gave me £10.
46:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I said,
46:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am.
46:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, that's nice.
46:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, I was thinking, I could be one of my cars.
46:11
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I'm thinking, great.
46:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Some clapped out forward for me.
46:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a class to 200 pound a go up.
46:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It got DB6, that's the mountain.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: My word exactly, exactly, which we sold at auction obviously.
46:22
[SPEAKER_03]: So people did the most amazing things.
46:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're trying to capture some of the stories so we can tell those stories in the other this next year or so.
46:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the last question, well, I had no idea if that was going to work.
46:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
46:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea.
46:37
[SPEAKER_03]: We felt compelled because we were probably still grieving in all honesty.
46:42
[SPEAKER_03]: We felt convicted because we made a promise and we got to keep the promises right.
46:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of a really cool trade of our idea.
46:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We gave people the option to give it back and no one would know they'd be there about.
46:50
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just a funny thing.
46:52
[SPEAKER_03]: We were on holiday a couple of years later on a campsite in the middle of nowhere in England.
47:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And they, and that was on a train one day and it was a young guy sitting up to me to eat really business book that I read and I did some teaching offer in the work so we talking about it.
47:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me, can I ask you a question?
47:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a shot.
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: This is your name sure.
47:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, but yes, it is.
47:15
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, oh, you ten pounds.
47:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But she had always meant to do something with it, but I just didn't have to get around for it.
47:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sorry.
47:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, you know, make it donation, whatever.
47:23
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was, I'm out of the biggest thing we looked back on it was, I think, teach my wife as a decision to adopt an HIV positive toddler.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:33
[SPEAKER_03]: The first time she was going to meet her was a day we were going to go pick her up.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
47:37
[SPEAKER_03]: and raised amongst the two other little babies.
47:39
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to ask me what was a brave and bold and cool, that would have been it, that was a commitment.
47:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm in awe of that woman at times, just to what he's willing to do when she believes that the right thing to do.
47:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think after that initial decision it was, well, as just put on, let's just see what happens.
47:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, you know, people like us are kind of face to face, and it's a verse in the song says that the earth is the laws and everything in it.
48:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you see yourself not as an owner,
48:05
[SPEAKER_03]: But assured, if you see yourself as someone who's job is not to possess, but to look after an invest.
48:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of changes the frame a little bit.
48:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, don't get me wrong.
48:14
[SPEAKER_03]: At that time, 7 grand was every single cent we had.
48:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So was I anxious?
48:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
48:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a few of those three foot in the morning days.
48:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
48:23
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yes.
48:23
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, the cool thing.
48:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope you wouldn't mind me telling so I won't say who it was.
48:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So we didn't take the money back.
48:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We just left it in there and everything else and we said, okay, we'll figure out the house thing.
48:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And a friend of mine died on some work with
48:39
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, come see and you know, and a set a little while later, this is in the early 2000s we found a house that I've been in the type of accommodation so we need to find an accommodation I went to see him.
48:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, hey look, that time has come, you mentioned he said, would we we need to borrow some money?
48:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, did they?
48:54
[SPEAKER_03]: How is it?
48:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a way to we need 25 grant.
48:56
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is in the early 2000s.
48:59
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you think we could borrow the money and I'm sitting in his, you know, there's
49:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say it though.
49:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you said you can't borrow it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You said if you receive it then give, you can have it, but you can't borrow it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Give aside a project for our first house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the way these things work, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's our experience, that's our experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay, amazing kind of generous people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what I like to say, you will be one of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I spend a lot of my life to stay in thanking the people because they're so kind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So kind to us, so kind to the cause.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have been the recipient, we have been the recipient of amazing kindness from people over the years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope we people that are given that, but we have certainly been recipient of talent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was pleased with him to say, I know what cynicism feels like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what cynicism tastes like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is the luxury of the inactive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not your so any boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was the first thing that came to mind anyway when you asked that question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was our little story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, feel it's a beautiful story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to mention, we see hope is the name of the humanitarian organization, the charity that's making this difference in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank you and Wendy and everyone who's given so much to make it possible because not that I'm in a position to give thanks because I haven't done it yet, but I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My heart goes out to the people in need around the world and to meet people like yourself
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[SPEAKER_01]: risk and faith, you know, to do what you can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an adventurous life and a life well-lived and an example for the rest of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to say thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to put the link in the show notes that people want to be a part of this effort so that they can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you haven't heard, Phil and I are in January, attempting to climb Kilimanjaro,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've carried each other up that hillbody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll drag our talk, this is up that hill.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll definitely get it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The plan is for every participant to raise $20,000 each for we see hope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we pull it off, the goal was 15 of us that would be $300,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be, it would be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're on our way, and that's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Phil, thank you so much for your time today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for sharing how to live a truly adventurous life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all very kindly, if I'm listening to the one thing, first of all, thank you so much for giving me the privilege to be involved in this and a lot of forwarder talking more as we pull our back sides up at hell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But at just the point everyone knows every single one of us is planning our own way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There is no money that they get that goes to getting us on that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So every single cent they get that straight to the course doesn't come.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't go anywhere near us nor are opportunity we pay for that all ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, if you're in your adventure with me, I really appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You bet it's my pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what your life adventure is and I say this every show But this time I'm saying it with a little bit more magnitude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just get out there and have some fun It's figure out your life-suit venture and go live it and enjoy get it done Yeah, absolutely not living on the edge of their say taking off too much fruit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go get it That's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, take your money go bless thank you so much