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The Dark Web Is Full Of Serial Killers. · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: As of the recording date of this video. The detectives
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  Speaker 1: that I'm about to interview who pioneered the Smiley Face
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  Speaker 1: killer theory, believe that there are over seven hundred men
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  Speaker 1: across America who possibly could have been murdered by this
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  Speaker 1: group of serial killers, whose deaths have been forgotten about,
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  Speaker 1: covered up, and whose friends and families have been silenced.
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  Speaker 1: In today's episode, we'll be discussing a few of these victims,
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  Speaker 1: telling their stories, and then visiting the locations of where
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  Speaker 1: their bodies were found in both Minnesota and Wisconsin in
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  Speaker 1: order to search for the dark answers ourselves. On today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're investigating the Smiley Face Murders, a series of up
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  Speaker 1: to seven hundred possible murders that have taken place across
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  Speaker 1: the United States that have potentially been carried out by
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  Speaker 1: the same dark Web murder syndicate. I'm sure you've heard
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  Speaker 1: the news stories before. First it's a headline like local
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  Speaker 1: man goes missing after drinking in downtown River District. A
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  Speaker 1: few days later, the headline reads family pleads for help
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  Speaker 1: in locating missing sun and then finally sad. A last
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  Speaker 1: headline a few days later reads local man's body found
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  Speaker 1: floating in river. It's a pattern that we've seen occurring
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  Speaker 1: in multiple cities across America in the last few decades,
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  Speaker 1: in cities like Chicago, Nashville, New York, and Lacrosse, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I just did a similar documentary last year
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  Speaker 1: on a rash of similar drowning murders that have been
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  Speaker 1: occurring in Austin, Texas for the last few years that
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  Speaker 1: local authorities seem incredibly hesitant to acknowledge. I was with
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  Speaker 1: one of the victims of that crime spree on the
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  Speaker 1: evening that he went missing, in fact, and I know,
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  Speaker 1: deep down in my heart of hearts, that these are murders,
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  Speaker 1: not just accidents. In time after time after these bodies
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  Speaker 1: are found, we hear the same stories, the same details.
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  Speaker 1: The victims are typically young, fit and attractive. They're somewhat
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  Speaker 1: popular amongst their peers. They were usually star athletes in
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  Speaker 1: their high school and college years, and they seem to
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  Speaker 1: be incredibly intelligent. A lot of the victims have similar
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  Speaker 1: physical profiles and builds, similar interests, careers, and even similar
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  Speaker 1: degrees that they're seeking in college. But there's one ultimate
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  Speaker 1: factor that unites them all. Death and an even more
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  Speaker 1: disturbing factory that unites them even more distinctively, and that
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  Speaker 1: would be murder. According to authorities all across the United States,
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  Speaker 1: the men who are dying in America's rivers after nights
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  Speaker 1: spent drinking have almost all exclusively died by accident. They
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  Speaker 1: were too drunk and they fell into the river. Skeptics
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  Speaker 1: claim it's dark out there, and I knew someone one
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  Speaker 1: time who wanted to go swimming in the river when
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  Speaker 1: they were drunk. It's just young, dumb men being stupid
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  Speaker 1: and gambling.
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  Speaker 2: With their lives.
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  Speaker 3: But what if that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: What if these young men are actually all victims of
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  Speaker 1: a loosely interconnected national murder syndicate colloquially known as the
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  Speaker 1: Smiley Faced Killers.
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  Speaker 1: let's get back.
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  Speaker 2: To today's story.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first we need to examine just who the smiley
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  Speaker 1: faced killers are. I also want to add in here,
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  Speaker 1: but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of college party
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  Speaker 1: towns spread out across America that are situated on rivers
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  Speaker 1: and lakes where there are bar districts, in areas where
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  Speaker 1: young men go out to drink all the time near
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  Speaker 1: the water. And in most of those towns, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have problems like the ones we're going to be discussing.
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  Speaker 4: In this video.
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  Speaker 1: If in every single college town in America that's situated
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  Speaker 1: near a body of water. Men were dying in these
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  Speaker 1: horrific drowning deaths at similar comparable rates that I may
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  Speaker 1: be a bit more skeptical, but they're just not. There
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  Speaker 1: are hubs of murder in America, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be visiting a few of them today. According to retired
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  Speaker 1: New York City Police detectives Anthony Duarte and Kevin Gannon
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  Speaker 1: and their good friend and investigative partner, doctor Lee Gilbertson,
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  Speaker 1: a former criminal justice professor and gang expert at Saint
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  Speaker 1: Cloud State University in Minnesota, these drowning deaths can actually
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  Speaker 1: be attributed to a sinister gang known as like I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the Smiley Face Killers. Tony and Kevin gave
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  Speaker 1: this group that specific nickname because at the start of
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  Speaker 1: their investigation into these crimes, they noticed that near almost
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  Speaker 1: every crime scene that they examined, they found smiley faced graffiti.
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  Speaker 1: The first time they saw it, they didn't pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: The second time they thought it was strange, But as
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  Speaker 1: they continued to examine these murders and kept noticing the
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  Speaker 1: smiley faces, the appearance of these logos turned from a
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  Speaker 1: creepy Quinn into hard evidence. According to Kevin and Tony,
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  Speaker 1: the Smiley Faced Killers are a group of serial killers,
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  Speaker 1: torture fanatics, and sato masochists that most likely initially organized
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  Speaker 1: with one another on the dark Web. According to the theory,
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  Speaker 1: this group operates almost like a domestic terror group. They
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  Speaker 1: commit these murders with purpose and intent. On one hand,
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  Speaker 1: the members of this serial killer syndicate definitely seem to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the act of murder, and they do enjoy torturing
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  Speaker 1: their victims. But on the other hand, there's a ritualistic
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  Speaker 1: element to these murders that forges a link between them all.
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  Speaker 1: According to Tony and Kevin, there seem to be groupings
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  Speaker 1: of these serial killers in multiple cities across the United States,
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  Speaker 1: and they form their own almost terror.
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  Speaker 4: Cells, if you will.
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  Speaker 1: Each of these serial killer groups in each respective city
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  Speaker 1: has its own leader, its management members, and its grunts,
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  Speaker 1: and every member seems to enjoy the torture and murder
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  Speaker 1: of young innocent men with bright futures. Think of the
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  Speaker 1: Smiley Faced Killers as a sort of in cell group,
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  Speaker 1: a group of five frustrated, deeply disturbed young men situated
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  Speaker 1: on the outskirts of proper society, young men who initially
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  Speaker 1: forged bonds on the dark Web, where they at first
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  Speaker 1: discussed their darkest fantasies of murdering people and then began
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  Speaker 1: to act out those fantasies in real life. It's thought
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  Speaker 1: by Kevin and Tony that there are over one thousand
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  Speaker 1: identified members of these serial killers Smiley Faced gangs spread
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  Speaker 1: out across America, which is a deeply frightening and troubling thought,
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  Speaker 1: especially since the authorities across the country don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of the group's existence.
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  Speaker 2: But to tell you the full.
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  Speaker 1: Story of these murderers and to fill you in on
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  Speaker 1: the details, I actually spoke with Anthony or Tony Duarte
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin Gannon myself, the two detectives who created the
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  Speaker 1: smiley face theory. They're pretty infamous in the true crime world,
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  Speaker 1: and I asked them the questions to which I was
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  Speaker 1: eager to have answers, And let me tell you this
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  Speaker 1: story and this video gets incredibly dark.
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  Speaker 7: Anthony Duarte, most people call me Tony retired NYPD. I
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  Speaker 7: was a detective South Bronx worked on a lot of
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  Speaker 7: different cases to include homicides and some federal cases. And
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  Speaker 7: after that I retired ten days before September eleventh, and
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  Speaker 7: I went into the work for the government in the
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  Speaker 7: Homeland security primarily during the time after September eleventh up
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  Speaker 7: till even this day, we've been working. When I say we,
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  Speaker 7: Kevin Gannon and I pretty much have been working on
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  Speaker 7: the Smiley face killers. So it's been coined. We're here
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  Speaker 7: today and trying to keep this moving forward. Speaking to
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  Speaker 7: you all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, man, So how did the whole Smiley face theory begin?
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  Speaker 7: Really, it actually started with Kevin when he was in
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  Speaker 7: a missing person squad and it was the Patrick Maneil
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  Speaker 7: case with him missing. Essentially, it was a Fordam Universe
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  Speaker 7: City student who, of course in college you go out.
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  Speaker 7: He was about partying and he disappeared from.
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  Speaker 6: A bar in I believe it was either Upper or.
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  Speaker 7: Midtown Manhattan, and Kevin got assigned the case, and there
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  Speaker 7: were so many inconsistencies as to how he disappeared and
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  Speaker 7: where he was found that, you know, he started telling
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  Speaker 7: me about it, and I know he made a promise
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  Speaker 7: to the family that he was when he retired, he
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  Speaker 7: was going to look into it and see how that went.
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  Speaker 7: So he told me about it. That was in nineteen
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  Speaker 7: ninety seven. As the years went on, we ended up retiring. Well,
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  Speaker 7: I left ten days before September eleventh, by the grace
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  Speaker 7: of God, and we started looking into it and again
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  Speaker 7: there was so many inconsistencies as far as blood content
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  Speaker 7: and what was found that there must be more going on,
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  Speaker 7: and just kept going and finding the same consistency over
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  Speaker 7: and over. You know, found in places where the body
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  Speaker 7: of order wouldn't take you blood levels of GHB. I
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  Speaker 7: know GHB occurred naturally after death, but the amount that
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  Speaker 7: were found in some of these blood samples.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't fit.
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  Speaker 7: So that's pretty much how we started with the Patrick
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  Speaker 7: RenEEL case.
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  Speaker 4: So with Patrick, what were the inconsistencies that were noticed,
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  Speaker 4: do you remember like specifically what those were.
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  Speaker 7: Apparently the hierarchy, the bosses and the missing person squad
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  Speaker 7: didn't want to do it's a big thing to make
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  Speaker 7: a claim that someone's either kidnapped or you know, we
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  Speaker 7: need more detectives to work on it. So the main
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  Speaker 7: focus was, Look, the kid went out drinking and he
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  Speaker 7: fell in the East River, and that's that. But as
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  Speaker 7: it turns out, there was a he had a witness
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  Speaker 7: with a vehicle that was supposedly circling the area. I
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  Speaker 7: believe they had a plate number even or he got
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  Speaker 7: a plate number afterwards. I'm not sure exactly which, And
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  Speaker 7: nowhere in the investigation I believe is their license plate number.
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  Speaker 7: It's virtually impossible from where the bar was in Upper Manhattan,
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  Speaker 7: fall in the East River there and end up all
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  Speaker 7: the way Brooklyn at Owl's head peer it's called that's
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  Speaker 7: virtually impossible. I mean, I spoke to the NYPD Harbor Unit,
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  Speaker 7: and those guys are they now every single square inch
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  Speaker 7: of water in New York City, you know? And that
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  Speaker 7: was one of the consistency inconsistency.
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  Speaker 1: So I am just going to let you introduce yourself,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've got just basic questions about the smiley
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  Speaker 1: face theory.
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  Speaker 8: I was a ghostwriter for a decade from when I
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  Speaker 8: was like twenty one to thirty one. Accidentally fell into
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  Speaker 8: true crime via John McFee, the software guy. He did.
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  Speaker 8: He created McFee anti virus. Anyway, I was like twenty
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  Speaker 8: five again, I had like a weird life, a weird background,
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  Speaker 8: Like I was homeless on the streets of LA when
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  Speaker 8: I was a kid. I had a brush with who
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  Speaker 8: I believe was a serial killer, and that's what kind
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  Speaker 8: of like felt my life for a while, and I
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  Speaker 8: lost my mind and was kind of just traveling the world,
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  Speaker 8: this homeless, penniless, crazy in my mind, vagabond, and ultimately,
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  Speaker 8: along this like four month journey to Alaska, I got
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  Speaker 8: my mind back and I decided to be a writer. Eventually,
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  Speaker 8: when I was twenty five, I was kind of working
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  Speaker 8: in the crypto industry. I was like, you know, I
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  Speaker 8: was ghostwriting white papers for companies, and I was fascinated
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  Speaker 8: by blockchain technology. I still am. Haphazardly, I guess stumbled
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  Speaker 8: into the whole crypto world where there are a lot
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  Speaker 8: of fakes, there's a lot of crime, there's a lot
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  Speaker 8: of bullshit, there are a lot of scams, and then
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  Speaker 8: there are people like John McFee. I was always fascinated
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  Speaker 8: by John because he's brilliant. I always thought that he
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  Speaker 8: was kind of misunderstood, a black sheep like me, like
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  Speaker 8: I was as a kid. I wanted to tell his story,
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  Speaker 8: long story short, did the ghost writing thing. Ended up
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  Speaker 8: working with John as his biographer and had a lot
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  Speaker 8: of crazy experiences with him, went on the run with him,
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  Speaker 8: allegedly from the Sineloa cartel. I got kidnapped alongside him
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  Speaker 8: in Spain by who I believe was an Eastern European mom,
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  Speaker 8: and I had to talk my way out of that
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  Speaker 8: situation and like basically threatened them. I lied and said
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  Speaker 8: that my cousin, my German cousin, was a member of Bundestag,
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  Speaker 8: the German parliament, and he was looking for me. And
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  Speaker 8: I was like, if he doesn't see my face in
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  Speaker 8: the next hour, he's gonna set out on APB. Everybody's
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  Speaker 8: gonna be looking for me. They're gonna triangulate my cell
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  Speaker 8: phone service, and they're gonna find me here at this creepy,
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  Speaker 8: decrepit place, and all you people, your guns are fed
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  Speaker 8: the bluff work man. I walked away, and he had
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  Speaker 8: people follow me. I think I was on a hit
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  Speaker 8: list for like a little bit. People wanted me dead
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  Speaker 8: because of what I had learned with John, some of
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  Speaker 8: which I talked about in that Netflix documentary Running with
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  Speaker 8: the Devil Anyway that threw me into true crime, But
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  Speaker 8: all of the signs and all of the outside pressure
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  Speaker 8: and environmental aspects of it just kind of like made
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  Speaker 8: me walk this path. I started doing that after John,
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  Speaker 8: and things just started happening. So I ended up working
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  Speaker 8: the long hand of serial killer case for a year
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  Speaker 8: and a half, kept going on to New York, and
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  Speaker 8: I discovered that it was a group of men of
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  Speaker 8: blue bloods, of very wealthy, powerful men, men who had
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  Speaker 8: been praying on women for decades, and that the true
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  Speaker 8: number of victims was a lot higher than what is
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  Speaker 8: currently known, and that these disparate people who were killing
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  Speaker 8: women over like, you know, twenty five thirty years, they
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  Speaker 8: at some point discovered that their predilections kind of coalesced
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  Speaker 8: and that they had the same pred election and they
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  Speaker 8: started working together. And luckily for them, they were in
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  Speaker 8: such positions of power that they could obfuscate the details
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  Speaker 8: and the facts and the evidence to point the blame
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  Speaker 8: to other people. And that's exactly what they did, and
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  Speaker 8: I believe that's exactly what they're doing with rex Hermann.
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  Speaker 8: In Lisk. There was a snuff film ring for Lisk,
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  Speaker 8: and allegedly one of the Gilgo Horr was seen on
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  Speaker 8: a film that my ex client co author had seen.
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  Speaker 8: He stole it from the back of a chief of
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  Speaker 8: police's car and viewed the film, and allegedly on that
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  Speaker 8: film was a girl being tortured and murdered by men
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  Speaker 8: in masks, one of whom resembled the cop the chief,
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  Speaker 8: and it was snuff film. When you actually talked to
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  Speaker 8: the families, when you talked to the victim's parents and
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  Speaker 8: their loved ones, their partners, their friends, and you see
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  Speaker 8: those tears in their eyes, and you see how real
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  Speaker 8: this is. They live through it every day. They have to.
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  Speaker 8: They can't just walk away from it. They can't go
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  Speaker 8: like Netflix and chill and just forget about it. Their
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  Speaker 8: loved one is dead in a horrible way. Usually they
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  Speaker 8: are ripped and murdered, and they have to think about that.
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  Speaker 8: And the same thing happened with Smiley Faced Killers, fell
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  Speaker 8: into it with Kevin gannon. I guess that brings us
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  Speaker 8: to the present day. That's now I'm thirty two and
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  Speaker 8: I don't gost write books anymore. I just focus on
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  Speaker 8: writing true crime stories and writing books about them, and
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: telling those stories and elevating those voices to the best
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: of my ability. That's a long answer for an intro.
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: I apologize.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So can you just kind of explain what the Smiley
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Face killing's theory is.
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: The Smiley Face killer theory promulgated by Detective Kevin Gannon
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: and his team, like Tony who you just you spoke with,
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: alleges that there are young college age, predominantly white males
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: all around America who have disappeared or gone missing under
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: very mysterious circumstances, almost always after a night out at
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: bars or parties, and they are found inexplicably in bodies
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: of water, again under mysterious circumstances, oftentimes with no water
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: in their lungs. But these cases are always attributed to drowning,
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: death by a misadventure acute alcohol poisoning. They are not
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: looked at or examined as potential homicides or abductions right
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: from the start. So like ninety percent of the evidence
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: gets lost in the weeks after these people are found
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: simply because they're not even examined, they're not even looked for,
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: they're not even known that they exist, these these pieces
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: of evidence. And so that's the smiley face killer theory.
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: The smiley face factor comes in because allegedly there's smiley
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: faced graffiti found near or at sites of disappearance and
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: body recovery sites. I take issue with that theory fact.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: I just take issue with the graffiti I don't believe
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: that it should be counted as relevant to all of
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: these cases. I think it's highly circumstantial, and I think
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: that it does a disservice to the phenomenon because people
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: poke holes in it. I think we should be more
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: so focusing on facts, evidence, and testimony instead of circumstantial
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: evidence such as smiley face graffiti. I don't buy into that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: In fact, I think the smiley Face Killers is a misnomer.
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: If I had my way, I would call them the rivermen.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: That's what I call them because in every single case,
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: the one identifying factor that links them all together is
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: a river or a body of water. So that's why
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: I call them the rivermen. I don't call them the
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: smiley face killers. The type of killings that happen are
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: so sophisticated and organized that they have to be by
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: a very intelligent group that knows what they're doing, knows
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: law enforcement practices and methodologies of investigation, and knows how
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: to kill people and cover it up. So I believe
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: that there are these very similar to the Long Island
• 19:01
  Speaker 8: circular case that I was investigating. I believe that they
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: are these disparate killers. In the eighties late eighties and nineties,
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: they were killing people in different parts of the country.
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: And during the advent of the Internet age, when all
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: these chat rooms started popping up and the Internet became
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: ubiquitous for all of us and we started using it
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: and everybody was online. I think they found a commonality
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: amongst each other, these killers, maybe in some chat room
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: or something, you know, before a big brother was really like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: you know, watching everything we say and do. I think
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: that they found camaraderie and killing. I think maybe it
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: started as just joking at first, but then someone was like, wait,
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: you know, are you are you serious? They're like, yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: you know that kid in Lacrosse or the kid in Michigan,
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: the kid in New York, Yeah, that was me. You know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: it's really easy to kill people. You just have to
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: make it look like it's a drowning. You have to
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: make it look like it's an accident. It's so easy
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: to do. I think these individuals start working together and
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: they probably said, you know, let's let's have a hunt,
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: you know, like in the most dangerous game, right, Let's
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: let's have a hunt. Let's choose a location somewhere that's
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: close to us, and that would be very easy, somewhere
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: that's highly populated, somewhere people go missing all the time,
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: and you know, let's do this. Let's work together, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: let's do this. And I think they chose New York
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: City and Lacrosse and other places around the country in
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: the late nineties, and I think they start killing together.
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: They knew that if they had the perfect crime, the
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: perfect crime partying, the perfect victim profile. The perfect victim
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: is a person who is allegedly drunk and college aged.
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: They're just another drunk college kid stumbling home from the
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: bar and they end up dead. They die of hypothermia,
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: they fall in the river, and they just end up
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: in the river and float somehow, against the laws of physics,
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: twelve miles upstream. Makes total sense. But these guys, they
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: realize that they chose the perfect victim and they elicited
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: the perfect circumstances that they could get away with murder.
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Because right from the start, these drownings and disappearances are
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: looked at as just that drownings, just drownings, or drunk
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: people falling into the river or die of alcohol poisoning
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: or something. That's what they're looked at. So right from
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: the start they are not examined as possible homicides and abductions.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: When they are examined as such, When some evidence comes
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: out and some private investigators hired by the actual families
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: of the deceased start looking into it and finding discrepancies
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: and finding facts evidence pointing to a homicide, the investigative
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: agencies that were initially involved get scared. And this is
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: why a lot of people are like, oh, they're cops,
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: they're law enforcement, you know, doing the killings. That's the
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: only way. No, that's not true. But what is true
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: is that when these are discovered, the discrepancies and the
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: fact that these agencies aren't doing their jobs from the
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: get go. When this is discovered and shared to the public,
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: these investigative bodies are like, oh, fuck, the kid was
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: probably murdered. We wrote this off as a drowning. We're fucked.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: Our pensions are on the line, our jobs, our careers
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: are families, it's all on the line. Now we had
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: to go back and like cover the shit up so
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: that nobody knows. And that's what happens, and the killers
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: know this. The killers are banking on this. It's quite
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: brilliant actually, that they know investigative practices and law enforcement methodology,
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: like so acutely that they're banking for them to fuck
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: up and then cover up their fuck ups, and that
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: only further obfuscates the truth of their crimes. A lot
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: of the times when these conspiracies happen, it's because the
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: investigators tasked with investigating they fuck it up and they're
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: just covering their tracks. That's not even necessarily because they're
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: involved in the killings or the disappearances. It's like, no,
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: they just they didn't do their job and they're going
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: to lose their job once people find out, so they
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: cover up the truth. It's what I called their twisted
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: brilliance of this group, and I believe they are a group.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: I believe they are a very sophisticated, organized, intelligent group
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: of people operating all over the country, now all over
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: the world potentially.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, that information is, like I said before, incredibly dark
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and disturbing. I mean, the links are definitely there, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the killers are yet to be caught. It's so sad
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to see justice continually be passed over for all these
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: victims' family members, as the local authorities seemingly try their
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: hardest not to investigate these deaths. As murders and instead
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: seemed fixated on proving that these men died accidentally.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Or took their own lives. But now we have to
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: talk about.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: The initial batch of smiley faced cases that really took
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: this theory into the mainstream. In the midwestern state of Minnesota,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: on the evening of April seventeenth, two thousand and nine,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: twenty four year old Jilani Brinson attempted to call his mother,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Alice Hamilton, on her cell phone. Alice, who was dining
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: at Mad Jack's Sports Cafe in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, didn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: hear the call over the noise of the bustling restaurant,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and Jelani, after calling his mother, didn't leave her a voicemail.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: That same night, Jelani Brinson disappeared. In an eary coincidence,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Three of Jilani's friends were also at Mad Jack's that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: evening that local restaurant, and they believed that Jelani likely
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: made the call to his mother from inside the restaurant.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: They had all been hanging out that night, and they
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: had visited that same eatery. Strangely, though, despite being in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the exact same place at the exact same time, the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: mother and son never crossed paths. It's unsettling that we
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: were both there and never saw each other, Alice later said,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, those friends may have been the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: last people to see Jelani alive. After leaving the restaurant
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Matt Jackson, the group headed to a friend's house on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the six hundred block of Kennedy Street, near the Anoka
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: County Fairgrounds in Anoka, Minnesota, a suburb or town relatively
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: close to Minneapolis. Jelani stayed for only five minutes before
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: abruptly leaving without saying goodbye. According to his friends, there
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: was no argument or incident that prompted Jelani's sudden departure. Alice,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: in emergency room nurse contacted the police late Saturday afternoon
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: when Jelani failed to show up for work, missed visiting
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: his young daughter, and left his car untouched. I've been
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: calling his cell phone repeatedly, hoping someone might answer, Alice
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: told reporters, but it just goes straight to voicemail. I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: don't know what to think, but I have a bad feeling,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: she was quoted as saying, and while we were in Anoka,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: we actually visited this street that Jilani disappeared from Let's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: take a look. It was here on the six hundred
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: block of Kennedy Drive here in Anoka, Minnesota, where Jilani
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Brinson was last seen. Now, Jilani was last seen leaving
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: his friend's house in this area, and at that point,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: nobody knows exactly what happened to him. His scent was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: followed by dogs all the way along some railroad tracks
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to an area behind a local bar. It seemed like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he had traveled kind of around this area, but his
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: body was eventually discovered in a pond on a golf
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: course just right over there, actually a couple maybe a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: few hundred one thousand feet away from where he disappeared.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: But it's strange. Articles of his clothing were discovered in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: this area, behind a neighbor's house by a wooden fence,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and still nobody knows exactly what happened to Jilani. When
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you're here, this looks like your average, everyday neighborhood. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: mean that's because that's what this is. This is a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: house that almost anybody could live in. I'm sure people
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: at home where watching this video live in neighborhoods that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: look strikingly similar to this one. But tragedy, violence and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: darkness can strike anywhere, and we're going to follow Jilani's trail,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or not really his trail, but the route that the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: killer had to have taken to where his body was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: discovered just a short while later. It's weird, it's very strange.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It seems very normal.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Authorities considered the possibility that Jelani might have hopped onto
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a slow moving train in the area. That's because they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: tracked some of his clothing and is sent onto some
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: train tracks that were nearby, but Alice dismissed this idea
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: as being completely out of character. She insisted that Jelani
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: never would have left without informing someone or failing to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: return her calls. If I call, he always calls back.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: She said.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Even if I don't leave a message, he'll see my
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: number and return the call. Dina Anderson, Jelani's girlfriend and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the mother of his nine month old daughter, Zion, echoed
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Alice's concerns. She emphasized at the time of his disappearance
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that Jelani had never failed to care for their daughter
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and always kept her informed if plans changed. Both women
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: agreed that his behavior on the night that he disappeared
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was highly unusual. Law enforcement officials noted that Jelani had
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: no criminal record and found no initial evidence suggesting drugs
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: or alcohol played a role in his disappearance. We're trying
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to untangle the relationships between him and the people he
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: interacted with, as well as their possible motives, Police Chief
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Filled Johansson stated on Sunday, April nineteenth, Allison, dozens of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: volunteers joined police and search dogs to look for Jelani.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: His winter hat and one of his new Adida sneakers
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: were discovered beyond a neighbour's wooden fence near the railroad tracks,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like I said before, just across the street from where
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: he was last seen. The second shoe was later located
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in an industrial area south of the tracks, near Highway
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: ten and Saint Francis Boulevard. Search dogs track Jelani sent
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: from the friend's house on Kennedy Street to a location
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: approximately one and a half miles west. The trail ended
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: approximately one hundred yards behind a local place named the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Outpost Bar. The family reviewed security footage from the bar,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but found no sign of Jelani, according to the police chief.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: The following afternoon, rescue crews began searching the Rum River
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and surrounding areas in Anoka, and on Saturday, April twenty fifth,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, at approximately one pm, an employee
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: at green Haven Golf Course in Anoka discovered Jelani's body
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: floating in a shallow pond. There were no visible injuries
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: or signs of trauma. The pond was located about fifteen
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: hundred feet from the house on Kennedy Street, across the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: road and beyond the railroad tracks. Jelani's body was shoeless,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: yet his socks were clean, leading investigators to believe that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he hadn't walked into the pond himself, but had been
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: placed there. You have to understand, to get to the pond,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of grass in between the road and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the pond, so it would be physically impossible for somebody
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to walk all the way there without shoes on and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have no dirt or anything on their socks. You're gonna
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: see in the footage in a moment. Thenoka County Medical
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Examiner's Office performed an autopsy, but could not determine the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: cause of Jelani's death. The examination revealed no injuries, no
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: signs of foul play, and no traces of drugs or
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: alcohol in Jelani's system. They also ruled out natural causes
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: such as a heart attack or aneurysm, as well as drowning.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, the autopsy concluded that Jelani had died prior
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to being placed in the water. Now, Jelani's wallet was
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: found on his body, seemingly eliminating robbery as a motive.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Investigators admitted that they had a few leads.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: There were no.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Signs of a struggle where his shoe and hat were found,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: said Sheriff's Lieutenant Paul Summer. His friends had been fully cooperative,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: but the coroner couldn't establish a cause of death. That
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: makes this case incredibly challenging. Normally, in cases like this,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you expect some answers. If he's in a pond, you'd
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: assume he drowned, but he didn't. If he was placed there,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you'd expect to find evidence of an injury or overdose.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: None of that is present here. We're left with very
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: little to go on. Still, to this day, there are
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: no answers in Jelani Brinson's death. We're going to talk
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: about Jelani and his relationship with the Smiley Faced Killers.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But first, let's take a trip.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: To that pond where Jelani's body was recovered ourselves.
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: Pond rain actually, so it was right here on those
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: train tracks where the dogs were picking up.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: A scent and where an article of his clothing was found.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But right over here, now we drove one two minutes
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: from that last spot right behind us is probably the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: most infamous place in the tail of Jelani. Right over here.
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: When was it?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: So?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Right here? This is where Jelani's body was recovered after
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: he went missing in this pond here in Anoka, Minnesota.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Now it is interesting because, just like we saw with
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the Austin drownings documentary that we did, there were a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lot of inconsistencies with what happened here. How he got
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: into the water, There was no scent connecting him over here.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: He was missing for an extended period of time. He
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: fit the exact profile of these other Smiley Faced killer victims,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and he vanished. Jilani just vanished, leaving his friend's house.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And at the time of his death, he wasn't on drugs,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: he wasn't overly intoxicated. But a recurring theme you're going
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to see here in these victims. Was the presence of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: GHB in Jilani's system. We've talked about GHB a lot,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure in the documentary already, but if we haven't,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: GHB is a date drug that was It's a drug
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that was in the systems of some of the men
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that drowned in Austin. It's a drug that's present in
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of the men's systems here with the smiley
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: faced killings, and it's essentially a drug that would be
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: administered by a want to be killer to incapacitate their
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: victim before doing whatever they wanted to them, whether that's torture,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the assault, if that were present, and obviously murder. But
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: right here where he's found floating, and to this day,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: no one has any answers like how did he get here?
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Who put him here?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: What happened, wasn't he wasn't one to take his life
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: or anything. A man goes missing and he's found floating
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in a lake one time, that's weird. Hundreds of times
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the same geographical areas with the same mos and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: victim profiles and smiley faced graffiti.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: That's not a coincidence.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Weird, right, Ah?
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: It just looks strange, Yeah, very strange, but it just
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: looks like a beautiful gulf courts or lake cool. I
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: mean it's also scary. I mean, I've said, we did
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: the Austin serial Killer documentary and my doctor believes that
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: when I was drugged it was GHB two, So I mean,
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: I understand the experience. And it's been scary.
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: Very scary.
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: You never know where are you safe.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: It's scary.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And once again, all these victims, people sometimes fail to forget.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: This guy was somebody's son and he was a father
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: too awful.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So he left a void with his.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Parents and with his own child, and I'm missing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: Miss Elise Hamilton visits the cemetery every week to talk
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: to her son.
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: Hello, Janani Zion, and I are here to spend some
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: time with you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: And ten years later, she's still making him the same promise.
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: I tell him, We're going to find out what happened
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: to you, and even if we don't, we love you.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: You're always with us.
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: That's what I tell him every time.
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: Gelani Brinson died in two thousand and nine. At the
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: exact date and many other details of his death remain elusive.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: That April detectives pulled his body from this pond on
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: green Haven golf Course. It was a tragic ending of
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: an eight day search and the painful beginning of a
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: ten year mystery.
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: Someone out there that knows what happened.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: Detective Maggie Titus recently took over the investigation.
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: This bigger pile is actually statements and reports that I
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: still am going through what happened in this fifteen hundred
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: and sixteen foot area. What happened is.
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: Johnny photos shared publicly with Caro Levin for the first time,
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: show Jilani's shoes, which were found strewn along a bizarre
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: path that had cut across railroad tracks and a construction site.
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: And was he being chased? Was he scared of something?
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: His death, to me, is very suspicious.
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: The autops he only deepened the mystery. Horner ruled out
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: drugs and alcohol as factors, and though they found him
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: in the water, even the cause of death remains undetermined.
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: Far as I know, he did not drown. We don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 13: even really know what happened, but we know he didn't
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: end up in the pond by himself.
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: I'm investigating it as a homicide until I find out differently.
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: I'm just hoping that our family can get peace and justice.
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: Justice for his daughter Zion.
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: I love you and we hope you have a great
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: time in Vam.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: She just turned eleven and has a nine year old brother.
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: Her dad never got to meet.
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: I miss Terela, and so there is my little brother
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: Johnny and my mom.
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: So they'll continue to pray.
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: I feel like he's here.
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: Prayer and keith their promise.
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: And I always say, Gilani, I've seen you. Next Sunday,
• 36:20
  Speaker 13: Pray okay.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins, a twenty one year old University of Minnesota
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: business student, was admired for his wit and charisma. A
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: dedicated athlete, he captained the school's lacrosse team and grew
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: up in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, with his parents, Steven Jan
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and his sister Sarah. Jan recalls that Chris's humor was
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: what people cherish the most about him. Chris, like many
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: future victims of the Smiley Faced Killers, was a popular,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: athletic young man right on the verge of becoming something great.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Growing into adulthood can be a challenging time in your life,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: but Chris's future seemed to be lining up in the stars.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That is, until Halloween night. In the year two thousand
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and two. On October thirty one, two thousand and two,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Chris dressed up as a Native American and attended a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Halloween party at the Lone Tree Bar and Grill in Minneapolis.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That night was to be his first night spent celebrating
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Halloween as a legal adult. He was twenty one years
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: old and he was ready to drink that evening. Chris
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: attended the party with his girlfriend at the time, a
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: girl named Ashley Rice, and a small group of friends.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Before the group had gone out to the Lone Tree
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Bar and Grill that evening, they had spent some time
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: drinking beer out of a cag at Chris's home, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: shortly afterwards the group had headed out for the Lone
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Tree Bar and Grill. After arriving at the nightclub, the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: group continued to drink and enjoy the night, and for
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: a while, everything seemed to be going well. There was dancing,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: there was drinking, and everyone seemed to be reveling in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the spooky vibes of Halloween night. However, at around midnight,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a dark sequence of events were put into motion on
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that evening. At around midnight, Chris was kicked out of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the Lone Tree bar under unclear circumstances. Well the exact
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: reason he was kicked out of the bar remains unknown.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It's believe that he was heavily intoxicated at the time,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and sadly, this removal marked the last time that Chris
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was seen alive. When Chris failed to return home later
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that evening, his friends and family began to grow concerned.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: He wasn't answering phone calls. Nobody had seen him, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: there seemed to be no trace of Chris anywhere in
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the city of Minneapolis. It was almost as if he
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: had just vanished into thin air. As hours turned to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: days and days turned to weeks, Chris's friends and family
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: knew that something was wrong. The police had used bloodhounds
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and picked up a scent that led to nowhere. There
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: had been sightings of Chris reported to the authorities, but
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: still no one had any idea where he was. Four
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: months later, on February twenty seventh, two thousand and three,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Chris's body was recovered from the Mississippi River, wedged between
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: logs near the area between the Third Avenue Bridge and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Saint Anthony Falls. Initial reports at the time suggested that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Chris's death was likely nothing more than a tragic accident,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and some even suggested that Chris may have ended his
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: own life. Investigators who were working this case at the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: time also hint that an argument between Chris and his
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: girlfriend on the evening that he went missing might have
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: played a role in his actions that evening. In news
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: outlets and on television, it was speculated that Chris had
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: either wandered into the river well lost in thought, or
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: it intentionally ended his own life after that argument. This
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: detail about the argument between Chris and his girlfriend that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: occurred on the night that he went missing has led
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: most people who studied this case to believe that Chris's
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: ejection from the bar may have stemmed from this argument,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and obviously, if he was drunk, that probably didn't help.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I can assume that tempers had been flared, angry words
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: had been shared, and that both Chris and his girlfriend
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: had decided that after Chris had been kicked out of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the bar, they needed a temporary break from each other,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and this argument between the couple was considered by local
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: authorities to have been so intense that it probably contributed
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to Chris's presumed state of mind. That evening, authorities in
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: this case were quick to try plant their own clues
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: or interpretations of evidence. Chris was troubled that night.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: They said.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Chris was sad and angry, drunk, and alone in a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: not so good situation. They also said, but at the time,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: these details were possibly withheld to protect the reputations of
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: those involved, mainly Chris's girlfriend and her family, and to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: avoid implicating Chris's girlfriend or any of his friends in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: a crime that they weren't suspected of committing. Witnesses that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: were there at the Lone Tree Bar that evening also
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: later stated that they heard the staff of the bar
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: talking amongst themselves after they were informed by management not
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to let Chris back in, even though the weather outside
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: was a chilly twenty degrees and continuing to drop rapidly
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: on that night, Chris walked out of the bar and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: into the darkness. Inside of the bar, he left his coat, wallet,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: cell phone, and keys with his friends. It's unknown still
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to this day where Chris was walking to, but according
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to the bouncer that was working that night, he saw
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Chris leave the bar and watched as he took a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: left on foot onto nearby Hennepin Avenue. Chris's frame of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: mind on the night that he disappeared, paint's a poignant picture.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: He was a young adult, heavily inebriated, embarrassed from being
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: removed from the bar, and emotionally distraught following a heated argument.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Commind these factors likely left him vulnerable, but had he
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: been vulnerable to himself or vulnerable prey for his syndicative
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: serial killers. After that argument and his disappearance, As I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: said before, for a couple months, Chris wasn't seen again,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and eventually, when his body was recovered from the Mississippi River,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it was located in somewhat close proximity to the bar
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: where he was last seen. Eerily, when Chris's body was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: pulled out of the icy river water, he was still
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: dressed in the same Halloween costume, a Native American outfit
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that he had worn out that evening. To this day,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: little additional information has been disclosed about the exact condition
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of his body, but apparently there were no extreme signs
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: of physical trauma or evidence suggesting foul play. Those are
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: secrets that the local authorities still hold closely to their chests.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Upon the discovery of Chris's remains, his family faced an
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: agonizing weight for toxicology results, a delay that isn't uncommon
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: in such cases. Obviously, the authorities wanted to know just
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: how drunk Chris had been and needed some clues in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: order to determine exactly when and how he had ended
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: up in that frozen river, and when those were sports
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: were finalized. According to the autopsy technicians, they indicated that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Chris's blood alcohol concentration was significantly above the legal threshold.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: According to authorities, Chris had been drunk on the night
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that he died, and so based on this finding, authorities
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: concluded that Chris's death resulted from drowning, likely due to
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: either an accidental fall or Publicly, their statements leaned towards
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the belief that Chris may have taken his own life,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: But at that point in time, there was absolutely zero
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: stock put into the notion that Chris may have been murdered.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Just take a look at some of the reporting at
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the time, both on television and in newspapers. The authorities
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: were trying to go really hard with the accident or scenario.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Either they didn't want to believe that it was possible
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that Chris had been murdered or they'd been too lazy
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to take the time to actually investigate. What sets Chris's
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: case apart, though, is that although his death was initially
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: classified as an accidental drowning or it was later determined
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to have been a homicide. Yes, the authorities in Minneapolis
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: at first stuck with their theory that this was some
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: sort of accident and only presented evidence to the public
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: which confirmed their bias. But they also failed to include
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and release evidence that definitely made it look like Chris
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: had been murdered, and this was a pretty shocking move.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You don't see police departments going back and changing causes
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of death from accidental to murder very often, and in addition,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: adding to the rarity of this decision, after this change,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the Minneapolis Police Department issued a public apology to Chris's family,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: and they publicly acknowledged the errors and their investigation well.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Chris's parents, Jan and Steve Jenkins were determined to uncover
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the truth. Law enforcement agencies rarely alter the official cause
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of death, even under significant public scrutiny. In official apology
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: is even more unusual, highlighting the complexity of Chris's case
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and murder, But just what happened and what prompted the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: police to reclassify Chris Jenkins's death as a murder. Even
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: after two decades, much remains unknown. Authorities have kept significant
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: details under wraps, likely to protect sensitive information that only
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator would know in the event of a confession. However,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: by withholding key information, investigators have unintentionally stifled broader public
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: interest and awareness of the case. Today will examine a
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: few of these known facts surrounding Chris's death and the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: discovery of his body to better understand what might have
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: happened that night. Chris's parents, jan and Steve Jenkins had
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: known from the very beginning that their son hadn't died
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: in a tragic accident, and they also knew that he
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: hadn't taken his own life, and so, unwilling to accept
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the police's conclusions, they embarked on their own investigation. They
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: sought answers through various means, by hiring private detectives and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: consulting experts in hydrology, and their pursuit to uncover the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: truth also ventured into unconventional territory, including consultations with psychics
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: who revealed to the family some pretty insane evidence and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: embracing some conspiracy theories, such as claims of a satanic
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: cult's involvement in Chris's death. Through their investigation, they discovered
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: that the condition of Chris's body was inconsistent with the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: police's assertions of an accident or Typically, drowning victims are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: recovered lying face down with their arms extended outward, their
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: clothing in disarray, often missing.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: One or both shoes.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: This is because the natural instinct during a drowning involves
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: frantic movements of the arms and legs in an effort
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to stay afloat. In contrast, Chris's body was recovered lying
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: on his back with his arms perfectly crossed like mists
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: over his chest. His shirt remained neatly tucked into his
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: drowstring pants, and he was still wearing both oversized slip
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: on shoes. Additionally, he was still adorned with a necklace,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: as well as a ring on his left index finger
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and another on his right ring finger. These details raised
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: serious doubts about the theories of accidental drowning or self
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: harm proposed by law enforcement. A particularly notable observation from
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Chris's parents that still troubles most people who examine this
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: evidence concerns the condition of Chris's body when it was
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: found in the water, despite allegedly having jumped off of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the bridge or having fallen into the river, Chris's costume
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: remained fully intact, with his shirt, like I said, still
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: tucked in, and his slip on shoes securely on his feet.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: If Chris had actually fallen into the river and been
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: forced to swim for his life before drowning, clothing wouldn't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have been in such perfect condition, and his shoes definitely
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been on his feet. Additionally, when Chris was
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: found in the river, like I said before, his arms
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: were crossed over on his chest like this, a detail
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that has raised significant questions about the circumstances of his death.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's clear with a detail like that that
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: there was some premeditation here. Somebody had killed Chris, put
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: his body in the water, and it essentially posed his
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: body to send some sort of a message. Both Kevin
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and Anthony independently corroborated this information for me, as they've
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: both taken extensive looks at the crime scene photos and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: both agreed that his arms were found unnaturally crossed on
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the day that his body was found. Chris's family also
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: found it peculiar that there were no visible bruises on
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Chris's body, especially considering that he was, at the time
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of his death of a cross goalie who frequently sustained
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bruises on his legs and arms. In the days leading
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: up to his disappearance, Chris had participated in two games
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: and attended practice activities that usually left marks, scrapes, and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: bruises on his body. The absence of these bruises he
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: led his parents to suspect that he may have been
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: alive for several days after vanishing, possibly being held hostage,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: giving his body enough time to heal. Experts in river
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: hydrology who examined the Mississippi River have also expressed doubts
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that Chris's body could have remained in the water for
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: four months without being noticed. The river had not frozen
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: over until January of two thousand and three, over two
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: months after Chris's initial disappearance, and the area beneath the
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Third Avenue Bridge was thoroughly searched in the weeks after
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: he went missing. On February twenty seventh, the day Chris's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: body was discovered, there was a daytime thaw, which may
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: have caused his body to drift from a different location
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: before becoming lodged in the tree branches where it was
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: eventually found. This has led many individuals, including Chris's family members,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to believe that Chris was actually kidnapped and held captive
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: for an indefinite amount of time before he was ultimately
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: murdered and placed in the river by his killer or killers.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: In addition, it was allegedly, according to some reports, discovered
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that Chris was holding onto a clump of human hair
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: in his left hand. According to these reports, it's believed
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that investigators themselves believed that this was Chris's own hair.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Jan and Steve's investigations into their son's murder produced a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: number of interesting leads. One potential lead suggested that Chris
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: might have been seen heading north on the Hennepin Avenue
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Bridge spanning the Mississippi River on the night he went missing.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: This information was apparently told to authorities by an eyewitness
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: who claimed that they had seen a man that looked
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: similar to Chris walking across the bridge that evening. However,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: eventually the Jenkins family managed to secure access to surveillance
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: footage of the bridge for analysis, and what they saw
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was concerning. There were two security cameras installed at the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Bank, both aimed at the Hennepin Avenue Bridge,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Jan Jenkins explained to an interviewer. Given that this was
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: post nine to eleven, the equipment was state of the art.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: We have written confirmation from the supervisor indicating that multiple
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: people reviewed the footage from both cameras, covering late October
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: thirty first and the early hours of November first. Chris
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: does not appear in the footage. We do not believe
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: he crossed that bridge. The supervisor even informed the FBI
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: that it would be nearly impossible for someone to run
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: across the bridge without being captured on camera. That's a
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: direct quote from Jan Jenkins. In their quest for answers,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the Jenkins family hired private investigator Chuck Losch, who uncovered
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: witness accounts of a violent encounter near Times Square Pizza,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: a pizza restaurant located literally across the street from the
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Lone Tree Bar. According to these witnesses, a group of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: at least ten individuals on the night that Chris had
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: gone missing had attacked a man in what was believed
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to be a sort of gang initiation. It was a
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: violent assault during which this group of men beat on
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and assaulted a single man who had been walking down
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the street. This statement was corroborated by multiple witnesses, so
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: it really does seem like this fight or beat down
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: did happen, and Times Square Pizza was located very close
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: to the Lone Tree Bar. However, to this day, the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: exact timing of the incident remains unclear, but it may
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: have occurred around the same time that Chris exited the bar.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: In addition to this lead, the Jenkins family independently employed
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: two separate bloodhound teams with different handlers to attempt to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: trace Chris's sent Interestingly, both dogs picked up Chris's scent
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: on the sidewalk right outside of the pizza restaurant where
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the alleged altercation took place, and remarkably, both sets of
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: dogs completely independently followed that same scent into the adjacent
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: parking garage and stopped at the same parking stall. When
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: the Jenkins family and their private investigator took a closer
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: look at the parking spot and the specific area that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: both sets of bloodhounds had traced chris Is sent to,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: they found what looked like bloodstains and a red feather
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: potentially from Chris's Native American costume inside the parking structure
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and in that immediate area. These discoveries added weight to
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the theory that Chris's disappearance and death were the result
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: of foul play rather than an accident, but none of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that evidence, even though it does exist, has ever been
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: formally explained. We actually visited the former location of the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: One Tree Bar and grill, the parking garage where Chris's
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: scent was tracked to, and the area of the Time
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Square Pizza while we were in Minneapolis.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Take a look.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: So, on the night Chris disappeared, the last known location
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of his was at the One Tree Bar, which literally
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: was just right around the corner right now. We're in
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: downtown Minneapolis, and I don't know if we're any get
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: copyrighted for the music, so you can just come round
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to put but it's right here the Gold Room I
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: can't talk at. So Chris was seen right there at
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that Lone Tree Bar. And what ended up happening is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: obviously he disappeared, and he was never heard from or
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: seen again until his body was recovered from the river nearby.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is that Chris's family members actually hassled the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: police in local authorities and eventually we're able to hire
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: a team that came out with scent sniffing dogs. They
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: tracked Chris's scent right at the Lone Tree Bar.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: And if you come down here.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: You gotta This was back in two thousand and two,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: so if that was over twenty years ago, this area
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: looked a lot different. But these scent dogs followed chris
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Is scent all the way down the street here to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: five twenty one Hennepin Avenue, which we're right here right now.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: There used to be a pizza shop in this area
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: called Times Square Pizza and Pup, and that's where the
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: dogs identified that Chris had walked from from the bar
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to this area. Now, a different witness that evening actually
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: reported seeing a group of five to ten men assaulting
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a man outside of that same pizza shop. It was
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: never identified who those people were, who that man was
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: that they were assaulting, but someone did call in and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: report that on Halloween night they did witness that stuff.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: But the most intriguing part of all is that this area,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this looks like, but this is
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a parking garage and area. But the scent dogs actually
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: followed Chris's sent underground to an underground parking structure to
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the parking spot of an actual employee of the One
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Tree Now investigators found something that looked like fabric samples,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: blood drippings, blood drops. There was some evidence in that area.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was ever properly investigated or analyzed.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that it was. But how weird is
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: that the rivers that way chris Is scent comes over
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: here outside of the pizza shop where a group of
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: men are seeing beating a man, and then down into
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a parking lot to the exact stall that an employee
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: of the bar that he was kicked out of parked
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: at every day. It was his reserved spot. I mean,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: it's really fucking weird.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: That's just another strange red herring in all of these stories.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Where does that go? Where does this lead? What does
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that point to? I don't know. It is weird though,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: right it is right here the happened to Chris.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: All right now.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: There were also a few interesting leads that that private
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: investigator Chuck Losch dug up when concerning the Loane Tree
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Bar and grill itself. For example, when Chuck interviewed employees
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: at the Lone Tree Bar and Grill, they consistently explained
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that Chris exited the establishment on his own, and refuted
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the testimony of others who claimed they had witnessed Chriskie
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: kicked out. However, after more questions from Chuck the investigator,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the bar's owner eventually imposed a strict gag order, instructing
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: staff not to speak with anyone about the incident unless
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: accompanied by legal representation. Chuck also discovered that a man
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: named Mike Casey, an off duty law enforcement officer, was
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: reportedly at the bar on Halloween night. He had been
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: working security for the neighboring Headedpin Center for the Arts
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and was introduced to Chris by Ashley, Chris's girlfriend, who
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: was at the time a bar employee. Ashley was allegedly
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: familiar with Mike Casey, having borrowed his own uniform shirt
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to complete her sexy police officer costume. Allegedly, Casey requested
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that the security supervisor escort Chris out of the bar,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: openly flirted with Ashley throughout the evening, and even drove
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: her home after the bard closed. Despite these claims the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Minneapolis Police Department never officially interrogated Casey or even questioned him,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: and when asked about their decision not to investigate this lead,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: they stated, quote, he's a married man with children. We
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to disrupt a family.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: End quote.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: It was also discovered, according to some reports, that GHB,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: a sedative often associated with drug facilitated crimes, was found
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: in Chris's system after his body was recovered. And this
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: is going to be a big recurring theme throughout these crimes.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Why GHB though, well. GHB is a party drug of sorts,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and it's also known as the date drug. It comes
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: in many forms, but it most commonly comes as a
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: sort of clear liquid. GHB is a popular drug amongst
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: criminals because with just a small amount of it, they
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: can render a person almost unconscious. For years, predators have
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: been drugging their victims with GHB in order to knock
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: them out so that they could assault them, hence its
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: nickname the date drug. It's commonly known that GHB is
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: an incredibly potent substance. They can put the person who
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: takes it into an almost comatose state where they have
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: no control over their bodily functions and no memory afterwards.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: In fact, on the website Betterhealth dot VIIC dot gov,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the effects of GHB are listed as being relaxation, drowsiness, sociability, euphoria,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: lack of inhibition, increased sex drive, heightened sensitivity to touch, dizziness, vomiting, tremors,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: tunnel vision, loss of coordination, confusion, irritation and agitation, hallucinations,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: blackouts and memory lapses, seizures, coma, respiratory arrest, and death. So,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: as you can see, it's a horrifically powerful drug that,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: if administered to an unwilling party, could render someone completely defenseless.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: It's believed that the smiley faced killers are fond of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: using this drug to knock out their victims. And I've
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: recently covered a story eerily similar to this one. In
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the last few years in Austin, Texas, over twenty five
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: young men have been murdered, and it's suspected that they
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: were administered doses of GHB before they were abducted and
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: then killed. Just like in the case of Chris Jenkins,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: these men in Austin have been going missing after a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: night spent drinking in downtown Austin, and they're then found
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a day or a few days later in Lady Bird,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: lanth And It's commonly believed in the Austin cases that some,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: if not all, of the victims are being administered doses
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: of GHB immediately before their disappearances. But back to Chris. Interestingly,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Chris wasn't the only one who had allegedly been drugged
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: while drinking at the Lone Tree Bar. In fact, after
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Chris vanished, another individual came forward and testified that he
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: had visited the same bar months earlier, and that he
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: had reportedly fallen ill after consuming a single drink that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: was served to him there. According to this victim, after
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: being brought to the hospital, it was found that he
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: had high levels of GHB in his system, GHB that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: he was convinced had been served to him in a
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: spiked drink at the Lone Tree Bar. In a strange twist,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, an imprisoned man who was
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: at the time incarcerated in the Minnesota prison system confessed
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: to witnessing Chris's death and claimed on the record that
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: it had allegedly occurred during a botched mugging. According to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the prisoner's account, Chris was targeted, but had no valuables
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: on him due to his costume's lack of pockets. This
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: enraged the man's accomplice, who then alleged pushed Chris over
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: a bridge. Eventually, like I mentioned before, the authorities in
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Minneapolis changed their ruling on Chris's death, stating that he
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: had actually been murdered. The statement from the Minneapolis police
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: chief at the time, a man named Tim Dolan, went
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: as follows. We made an assumption and because of that assumption,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: we probably caused pain. Well, I know we caused pain
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: in the Jenkins family, more pain than they had to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: suffer and then they already suffered. And for that, for
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the Minneapolis Police Department, I want to apologize to the Jenkins.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Family end quote.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, authorities in Minneapolis, after gathering
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: some evidence, presented a suspect to the county attorney, but
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: no charges were filed due to insufficient evidence, and there
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: have been no real development since. The real killer or
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: killers who ended Chris's life are still wandering out there
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: amongst the public, free as a bird. But this story
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: gets weirder. Chris wasn't the only young athletic male to
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: have gone missing. After drinking at a local bar, who
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: ended up dead in a nearby body of water that
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: fall slash winter. You see, just a few days after
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Chris went missing, on November six, two thousand and two,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Michael Knowle, a twenty two year old University of Wisconsin student,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: disappeared after celebrating his birthday in au Claire, Wisconsin. Shortly after,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: on November ninth, Josh Guman, a twenty year old student
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: from Collegeville, Minnesota, went missing after leaving a gathering of friends.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: These three young men vanished within a one hundred mile
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: radius of Minneapolis, sharing similar physical traits, ages, and circumstances.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: On the nights of their disappearances, they had attended nighttime
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: parties or gatherings located near bodies of water, and they
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: had all disappeared after spending the night drinking. And still
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: there are no explanations in the deaths of any of
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: these three men. So you have this young man who
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: is found in the river. There's some weird inconsistencies with
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the case. Nobody wants to look at this thing as
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: a murder. Obviously, we've seen I mean I've seen this
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: in Austin, even with my friend who was beaten almost
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to death and found on the side of the river.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: It's always an accident.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: How did it go for you guys, from this one
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: case to you know, constructing this whole theory?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: What was the next step?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: The next step was he was doing research and we
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: discovered the Chris Jenkins case in Minneapolis, and that case
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: is has glaring inconsistencies in that case with there suppose
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: it you know, events from that night he was he
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: went missing in It was October thirty first, that was Halloween.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: He went to a party at a local bar there.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: In Minneapolis, and then they claimed that he came out
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: and he was all stumbling, which he was, but not
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: because he was drunk.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: Because we feel he was drug.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: Walked across the bridge and fell off the bridge into
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: the river.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: Now that right there, we proved that was wrong.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: There's no way that happened because there's a Federal Reserve
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: bank right there on one side of the bridge that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: has cameras viewed the cameras, he's not seen ever crossing
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: that bridge, and he was found months later stuck in
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: some river debris. With the level of GHB that was
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: found in his system, there's no way that that had
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: all happened.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Why do you think Minneapolis was kind of a hub
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: because you had Chris Jenkins Jalani Brinson.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I can't recall if there were more victims there, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it seems like that was kind of like a point
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: they were at with the other people too.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: We had interviewed a guy in prison and in court
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: documents because he's now in prison for life because he.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: Got convicted of a homicide.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: In another city nearby Minneapolis, there was a group called
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: the Dealers of Death, and they would go out and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: pick their victims, sometimes for fun, sometimes in a weird
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: way for rewards or an initiation.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: And that was in and around Minneapolis at that time.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: So it was like a loosely knit kind of group
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: of murderers.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: Well, there were there were two main leaders and pretty
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: much these kids were wayward, quid kids that they went
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: to a community center and that's how they met these kids.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: They met them, recruited them, and they offered them in
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: a weird way like a family. You know. These kids
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: were loaners and on the edge of in the fringe,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: in trouble, and uh, that's how they recruited them. And
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: again it's in court documents that one of the witnesses
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: who was part of the group admitted to how many
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: members are in it? Not to say that they he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: admitted to killing a lot of people, but based on
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 7: the information.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: That we got, they were. They were a whole part
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: of it, and that was in the Minneapolis area.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: So do you think they're responsible for both Jilani and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure about Gilani if it's them directly, but
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: them and the ideology that they believe in. I believe
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: that that was part of it for Jilani, and they
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: were two different guys that helped run the group, and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: then the two different leaders had two separate ideologies with
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: the same main goal of getting getting a victim, and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: it has to do it particular dates and signs.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: And one of the recurring signs we found was the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: smiley face.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: And that's not the most prominent one, but however, when
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: we first brought it forward, the press got a hole that,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: you know, and they blew it up, you know.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: The smiley faced killers. So that's just one of the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: different graffitis that we found, and.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I want you to consider the similarities. Jelani Brinson leaves
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: his house no one knows where he's going. The dogs
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: pick up his scent, they find pieces of his clothing,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and somehow inexplicably, days later, he's discovered in a body
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: of water. And remember, in Jelani's case, his socks were
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: completely clean, so the authorities said it looked like he
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: was placed there. Then you have Chris Jenkins from a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: few years before that, who disappeared under very similar circumstances.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Nobody knew where he went. The scent dogs tracked him
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: to a weird location, there was a bar connection, and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: he ended up in a body of water as well.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Authorities also said it looked like he had been placed
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: in there versus drowned. So leaving Minnesota after that night,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I knew that something still wasn't right. We still weren't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: done here. There's still so much left on set, so
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: many leads still left uninvestigated, so many pieces of evidence
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: in these drowning deaths with no good practical explanation, And
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: so we decided to wait another month, then pick it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: up and head to Lacrosse, Wisconsin, where Kevin and Tony
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: have gathered some of the clearest evidence of the existence
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: of the Smiley Faced Killer cult. To date in La Crosse, Wisconsin.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Over the past almost thirty years, Since nineteen ninety seven,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: there have been eleven young men who have drowned or
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: died under suspicious circumstances whose bodies have been discovered in
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the nearby Mississippi and Black Rivers. The first drowning was
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that of nineteen year old Richard Lavity, who, when visiting
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: his brother James and Lacrosse, was chased with his brother
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: to the river from the corner of Third and Pearl
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Street in town by a group of attackers. James escaped
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the ordeal, but sadly Richard did not. His body was
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: then found in the water shortly afterwards, and the attackers
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: were never identified. Then, in that same year, there was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Charles Blatz, a twenty eight year old UW Platteville student
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: who was visiting Lacrosse Frock Toberfest celebrations. He was last
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: seen headed downtown to hit the bars before he vanished.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Five days later, he was found floating in the river
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: with a bac ofero point three one percent. Next, during
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: that same year of nineteen ninety seven, it was a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old Tony Skifton who died. Tony disappeared after
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: leaving a party at five twenty fifth Avenue on October fifth,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, and was last seen walking near a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: footbridge at a local park. His body was found five
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: days later in the river with a BAC of point
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: two three percent. We actually visited the location where Tony's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: body was found.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Take a look.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: You see that person that was over there and we
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: pulled up. There's a car park right there, right, and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: we pulled up. You can see their lights over there
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: if you filmed it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: This is a eerie man. So in the water's right
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: beneath me.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Right now, this is where the body of Tony Skifton
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: was found. Tony went missing in October of nineteen ninety
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: seven after leaving a party way far away from this location,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: and he was found days later in the river. Now
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Tony fit the victim profile perfectly. He was an attractive
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: young male in really good shape. He had a promising
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: career ahead of him, he was getting an education, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: he once again vanished and then was found days later,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: with no explanation really being given for what happened in
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: those days that he remained missing for.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: But this is just.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Another area here in Lacrosse. The whole city is painted
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: with these sorts of locations where bodies have been found,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: where men have gone missing from. And there is an
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: eeriness definitely to this area. It's just a it's an
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: unspoken eeriness that soaks into the environment.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: Just looking. It's creepy. Just come over here, let's just
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: show this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Let's say you're a mass killer, right, you're a member
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: of a serial killing club or group that wants to
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: dispose of a body. It's nine o'clock PM right now
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: on a Friday in January, when a lot of these cases,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: you know, have happened. Look at this, This park is
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: completely empty. It's completely deatholing. I mean, it really is
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: the perfect place for a crime. Imagine going over there,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: parking down there, even parking right here and coming and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: just dumping the body in or right here, throw them
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: in he washes over here.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: It'd be pretty easy.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 13: I know.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: Man, it's just weird.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: Right, I mean, I even think about, like you come
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: out here when like the lake and the river is
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 10: like a little bit more frozen, you can walk out
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: even further. Yeah, I mean, I wonder how many. It's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 10: also crazy to think because in Minneapolis, the ones are
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 10: right next to a big bridge like this.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: They want people to think they jumped or were pushing over.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 10: I'm like, who's jumping off a bridge?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 14: All these young men?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Coincidence, We got.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 14: One more place to go.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I think his body was found.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Right down there.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, hard to imagine.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: The next young man to be found in Lacrosse's waterways
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: was twenty year old Nathan Capfer, who disappeared just a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: few months after Tony on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Nathan was once again a university student, and was last
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: seen walking alone on Third Street, a local street filled
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: with bars, after being cited for underage drinking outside of
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: a local watering hole named Brothers Bar.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: In a bizarre twist, after Nathan went missing, his hat,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: wallet and police citations were all found neatly arranged near
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a statue depicting an Indigenous person in nearby Riverside Park.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: His items had been arranged in a way that, to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: authorities and family members alike, seemed incredibly ritualistic and premeditated.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Nathan's body was found in the river near Riverside Park
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: in April of ninety eight, months after he went missing.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: He had a BAC of point.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Two two percent at the time of his death. Almost
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: a year after Nathan's body was found, a twenty year
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: old University of Wisconsin lacrosse student named Jeffrey Geese went
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: missing after last being seen alive at a bar on
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: once again Third Street in downtown Lacrosse. A month later
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: in May, his body was recovered from the Mississippi River,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: and he was found to have had a BAC of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: point four to two percent at his time of death.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Around March first or second of two thousand and one,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: twenty three year old Patrick Runingen drowned in the Black
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: River and Lacrosse after having last been seen in the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: parking lot of Nutbush City limits, a local bar and grill.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: His body was found later, once again in the river.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: He had a BAC of point two four percent at
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: his time of death. A few years later, in two
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: thousand and four, came one of the most infamous of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: all the Lacrosse rows, that of Jared Dion. After an
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: evening spent drinking and dancing. Early on April tenth, two
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: thousand and four, Jared was last seen by a friend
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: boarding the safe Ride Bus, a free shuttle service that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: transports students between the University of Wisconsin La Cross Campus
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: and downtown. It was closing time at John's Bar and
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: most of Jared's friends had already left. Jared, however, mentioned
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: to his friend Mark Hoglin that he wanted one more drink.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Mark insisted otherwise, urging Jared to leave with him so
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't miss the final bus home. Believing Jared was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: following him, Mark walked away, but when he turned around,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Jared was no longer there. Jared was known for being dependable, responsible,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: and an excellent student on track to graduate. People in
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: town knew him as an honor student, and Jared enjoyed
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: being social. Wandering off without informing anyone was entirely out
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: of character. Later that day, Jared's mother realized that he
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: had never returned home after going out that night. Concerned
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: after not hearing from her son, Jared's mother filed the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: missing person's report on Saturday evening, as she had been
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: trying to contact him to finalize easter plans. Five days later,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Jared's body was recovered by divers in the Mississippi River.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: A group of joggers in Riverside Park discovered his hat nearby.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Carefully perched on a post near the area where authorities
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: believed Jared may have fallen or entered the water. Doctor
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Thomas of the Minnesota Regional Coroner's Office conducted the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: autopsy and determined the cause of death to be cold
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: water drowning. Interestingly, this would be the second time that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: a victim's clothing or personal items would be found in
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Riverside Park. This had happened in the past with Nathan Capfer,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: whose wallet, hat, and police citations were found in Riverside
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Park near the Indigenous Person statue we discussed before before
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: his body was found. The same had been true with
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Jared Dion. At this point, rumors of a serial killer
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: were running rampant in Lacrosse, and tensions were boiling to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a frenzy point. In fact, local authorities believed that these
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: rumors were so unfounded and so damaging at the time
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: that a group of faculty members from the University of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin Lacrosse actually penned an open letter to the student
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: body and the city titled why we are ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: point nine percent sure it is not a serial killer,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: in which they provided data and evidence that they claimed
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: pointed towards the non existence of a serial killer or
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: killers in La Cross, but unfortunately, the bodies would continue
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: to wash up in the river. Two years later, twenty
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: one year old Luke Homan, a member of the University
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Lacrosse basketball team, would disappear in the early
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: morning hours of September thirtieth, two thousand and six, after
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a night of drinking at several downtown bars. Once again
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: near Third Street. On September thirtieth, two thousand and six,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Luke Holman joined his friends to celebrate Octoberfest in downtown Lacrosse.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: He was last seen around two fifteen am at the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Vibe Bar, located at three twenty two j Street early
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: that Saturday morning. Concerns arose when his roommates contacted police
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: later that day after Luke failed to show up for
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: a planned golf outing. What followed was a harrowing weekend
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: for his loved ones as they searched desperately for any
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: trace of Luke. But on Monday of that following week,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: their worst fears were real. Luke had drowned. On October second,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Luke's body was discovered submerged in ten feet of water
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: near a levee along the Mississippi River close to the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: southern end of Riverside Park. Doctor Lindsay Thomas, who conducted
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the autopsy, reportedly found no evidence of trauma, struggle, or
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: foul play. The report confirmed that Luke's blood alcohol concentration
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: was point three to two, leading authorities to conclude that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: his death was an accidental drowning. Luke was a talented
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: athlete with an impressive high school basketball record at Brookfield Central,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: where he helped his team reach the state tournament twice
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: during his three varsity years. He even set a school
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: record with one hundred and sixty five three point shots
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and made sixteen free throws in a single game. In college,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Luke had joined the UW Milwaukee basketball team as a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: walk on and played nine games during the two thousand
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: and four to five season, contributing to the Panthers Sweet
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: sixteen NCAA tournament appearance. So Luke was an incredibly talented athlete.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: He was in peak physical condition, he didn't have an
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: incredibly high BAC level. And so how does a guy
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: like that end up in the water. Any of these
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: guys drowning when they're obviously physically capable of swimming, that's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: just one of the things that really sticks out and
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. On September twenty second, two thousand and seven,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: the Lacrosse Tribune reported new developments involving Austin Scott, a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: nineteen year old UW Lacrosse sophomore who had been accused
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: of misleading investigators about the circumstances surrounding Luke's disappearance and drowning. Scott,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: who was also a member of the basketball team and
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: a friend of Luke's, eventually pleaded no contest to two
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges of obstructing officers. He was sentenced to forty
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: eight hours in Lacrosse County jail, followed by one year
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: of probation. Whether or not he had any involvement in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Luke's death, we don't know, and we may never know,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: Lacrosse County District Attorney Tim Grunky said at the time.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: But his lies obstructed the investigation and created lnkering doubts
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that will likely.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Never be resolved.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Like we said before, Luke's body had been recovered on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: October second. The autopsy attributed his death to cold water drowning.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Friends last saw Luke at the Vibe Bar around nine
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: or ten pm on September twenty ninth, but Scott, the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: man who was put in jail, told police he saw
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: Luke leave the bar alone around twelve thirty am on
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: September thirtieth. However, according to the criminal complaint, Scott had
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: been cited for underage drinking near the Radison Hotel around
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: ten pm that evening, and he had been found to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: have a BAC of zero point three three percent. Grenkie
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: noted a troubling pattern in Scott's statements. The number of
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: falsehoods he told all seemed to point in the same direction,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: keeping investigators from knowing he was in Riverside Park that night.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: We don't know why he lied, and that remains a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: mystery end quote. Scott claimed to have no memory of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: much of the night, admitting to only remembering fragments of events.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: He initially told.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Authorities that he recalled sitting at the Vibe Bar and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: insisted I would never leave him in the water.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: However, he later admitted.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: It was possible he and Luke were in Riverside Park
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: together when Luke fell into the river, theorizing that Luke
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: might have tripped. Scott also confessed to fabricating a story
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: about three men arguing with Luke at the Vibe, which
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: sent police on a futile soir for non existent suspects.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Defense attorney Mark McCabe argued that Scott's memory gaps stemmed
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: from his intoxication, and emphasized that his client admitted to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: lying about his address, birth date, and journey home that night. However,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: McCabe maintained that Scott bore no responsibility for Luke's death.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: This community is understandably frustrated by the eight separate river
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: deaths that have occurred here, McCabe said, but my client
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: cannot be blamed for those prior tragedies or for Luke's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: passing end quote. Luke's mother, Patty Hollman, addressed the court
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: with both heartbreak and compassion. I truly believe Austin knows
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: more about what happened that night, she said, But I
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: want him to have a happy, productive life. The only
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: way he'll get there is by telling the truth, even
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: if it's the worst truth.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Even if he.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Pushed Luke into the water, I'd embrace him and tell
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: him we'd get through it together.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: End quote.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: At this point, eight different young athletic men had drowned
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: in bodies of water and the cross after nights spent
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: out on the town drinking, and it still wouldn't stop
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. The next man found in the water was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: twenty four year old Christopher B. Melanchon, a Milwaukee native,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: who from the Cast Street Bridge into the Mississippi River
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: at around one thirty am on September thirtieth, two thousand
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: and seven. His BAC at the time of death was
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: point two four percent, and police to this day have
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: failed to determine whether his death was accidental or Then
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: in twenty ten, it was twenty one year old Craig
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Myers who was found in the icy waters on Valentine's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Day twenty ten. Craig had been dropped off in the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: seven hundred block of Market Street, and video evidence later
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: uncovered showed him walking west on Cass Street in Lacrosse
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: at approximately two am. Divers later recovered Craig's body from
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: the water and also discovered a series of footprints leading
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: onto the ice, footprints that were going to talk about
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: in more death in a moment. Craig's BAC at the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: time of his death was zero point one nine percent,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: and finally, on July eighth, twenty fourteen, twenty three year
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: old Shalim Augustine left his group of friends after they
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: docked their boat near the Black River Beach. Suspicions arose
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: when the next day Shalim failed to show up for
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: his work at Huck Finn's restaurant. His body was found
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: three days later in the Block River, and it was
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: discovered that at the time of his death, he had
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: a BAC of zero point.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Three two percent.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty staggering amount of young men dying in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: a relatively small city's waterways. In fact, this was such
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: a problem at one point that an organization was founded
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: on the University of Wisconsin Lacrosse campus called Riverwatch, which
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: aimed to patrol the Riverside Park and offers students walks
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: or rides home from bars after they had been drinking.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: To this day, all these incidents are listed or classified
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: as bizarre accidents and nothing more, even though there are patterns,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: even though there are details that don't line up with
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the accident's theory, and even though the parents of some
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: of the victims believe that there is much much more
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: to the stories. Initially, I noticed a pattern in some
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: of these drownings. A lot of the men seem to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: share some similar physical features. A lot of them went
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: missing or were found on or around the same dates.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: The clothing being placed on poles or stacked and arranged
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: is bizarre, and a number of corpses were discovered in
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Riverside Park. In addition, a slight group of the men
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: all seem to have been drinking and were last seen
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: in the same part of downtown Lacrosse near Third Street
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: on the nights that they went missing. And so naturally,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: when we first got to town, we end to head
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: to Third Street to check out the area for ourselves.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: So right now, it's a snowy winter's evening in January
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: here in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, and we're here for the second
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: part of our investigation into the Smiley Face Killers. Now
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: you might be wondering where we're at inside of Lacrosse.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: We're actually in the one hundred block of Third Street.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: So it was in this area that five of the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: total eleven victims that are rumored to be attributed to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the Smiley Faced Killer. Some people think there's a smaller
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: grouping of victims that could be attributed to the theory.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Others think it's all of them. But five young men
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: disappeared from this small swath of downtown Lacrosse. They were
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: out drinking late into the night. Some of these men
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: took off walking in this direction up the hill, totally
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: away from the river, and they were found days later
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: dead in the river way down in that direction. Now
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: you'll notice a similar pattern here in Minneapolis. Once again,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it's young men who go missing after a full night
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: of drinking out on the town. These men typically are
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: having just a normal night with their friends. At one
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: point they get separated, maybe they go home early, they
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: start walking, and days.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Later they're found dead in the river, sometimes months later.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 14: But it's interesting.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Right now, it's a Friday night in January. School is
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: in session, the local college is in and this is
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: what a Friday night would look like here in Lacrosse.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: One of the victims actually was attacked on January eight,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: so two days before. It's January tenth right now, and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: you kind of get a general vibe. Maybe it wasn't
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: as cold one of those nights, and there were more
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: people out. I'm sure that as the night, you know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: goes on, more people are going to come out to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: the streets.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: But just take a look at it.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: It's literally bars that obviously a lot of them are closed.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Now now let's just take a quick walk. You can
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: see there's bars everywhere here. Crowbar, John's Bar, that's actually
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: where one of the victims was drinking on the night
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: they disappeared.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: The Helm Bar.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: This is the area I didn't like.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 10: Look at the crowbar though, huge bar. One table was filled.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Now, I didn't expect Lacrosse to really look like this.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I've never been to Lacrosse, so I
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: would have no real idea. But in a weird way,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I almost get an Austin type vibe, you know what
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean. These old buildings and all these bars right here.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting the mystery man when you really think
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: about it, Like as you can see right here, this
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: is one thirteen third Street. This would have been where
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: those bars were. Five young men from this small area
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: dead in the river. It's weird. I just wanted y'all
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: to take this in. It's a snowy night here, beautiful weather.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: If you like the snow, which I do. I mean,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: it's just what strikes me always, and I always say this,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: we always talk about this, how normal it seems you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: know this was what two thousand and six, two thousand,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: the late nineties, it's almost thirty years ago, twenty five
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: years ago. It's like these these places in society just
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: heals and moves off and just forgets about it. You'd
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: never think that five young men just drinking right here
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: were killed by a serial killing group.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 10: This shit always blows my mind. I mean, this is
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: just an everyday American town. You got snow falling down
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 10: music playing. It seems like a really cool place to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: hang out. People don't realize, like at streets like this
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 10: where people are getting scooped up and law enforcement's not
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 10: really doing anything about it. They'd rather just kind of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 10: glaze over the fact that it happens and then move
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: on about the day. But from some of the other
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 10: stuff that we booked at, it's connected to multiple other states,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 10: could be connected to thousands of members of this group.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: It's scary. It's a lot of people.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like I said to him during the end,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like an evil looking creepy guys walking around like, hey,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: let me abduct and murder you. It's like just everyday
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: people people.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 10: An every day guy.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: But really it's like you know, you're at a bar,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: you're talking to some guys. This one guy's really nice,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: maybe says, hey, you want to drink, I'll buy you something. Boom,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: you're dead.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 10: It's not just girls either that this is happening you,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: I mean, guys are very unsuspecting in this.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: I mean you mean.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 10: Said guys seems like a buddy at a bar, He's like, hey,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 10: can I grab your next drink?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: Sure, you don't think anything of it.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: And to remind everybody, Connor was drugged at a bar.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 10: With the same drugs that they're using in this case JHB.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: And it totally knocked you on your asse.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't remember a single thing that happened that night. Scary,
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  Speaker 10: very scary.
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  Speaker 14: Well, very interesting, man, I agree.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: After learning all this information, I wanted to bring up
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: these cases to Tony to get the scoop on just
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: what might be happening in Lacrosse, Wisconsin.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 6: Lacrosse was another hotbed.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: We knew about it because there was like we had
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: probably six or seven at least drownings in one year,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: you know, and then they make it seem oh, yeah, well,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: of course there are a lot of bars. There's probably
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: more bars per capita than any other place. And there's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: at least three big colleges in the area, and of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: course the Mississippi goes right by all of it. So
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: the running theory they have is these kids get drunk
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: and then they fall in the river. I mean just
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: that fact alone. I mean, we were all young once.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: I'm a lot older than you, but you know, I
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: never fell in the river after drinking or anything. I mean,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: it's like there's zombies and it's magnetic and they go
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: and they fall in the river. Oh, another drunk kid
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: falls in the river. So we started looking at that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: and talk to a few people. Jeff geese Case was
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: one of them. His father was all in the validity
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: of some of these search dogs, like you know, the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: Bloodhounds are absolutely incredible, and you know, we were told
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: about all that, and then we went to our main goal.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: Next was okay, well let's find the living witness. So
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: we did. We're like, okay, his kids survived it. So
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: he went to interview him and pretty much proved that.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 7: At a bar, him and his buddy both got drugged
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: that night and he fell in the river, or he
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 7: woke up actually in the.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: River somehow pulled himself out by the grace of God. Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: I mean it was like thirty two degrees out in
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: forty five minutes.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: He's done, He's totally, you know, exposed.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: He would have hypothermy, he would have said, and he
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: was finished, and his buddy was just wandering around. He's
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: lucky they didn't grab him too. And he had no
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: recollection and needed as the living witness. So we spoke
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: to him and it just kept going from there and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: it continued to occur and we ended up working extensively.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 7: And Luke Holman was another case which was clearly there
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: are people involved in that, there are named witnesses, are
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: events prior to him. On our show, we proved that
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: he was murdered. He had a bootprint on his fold,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 7: so and Luke was a big guy, you know, he's
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 7: a football player and a basketball player. So there were people,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: I guarantee it had to be least at least three
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: people trying to hold it down. You know, they had
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 7: a dog that scented him in a vehicle. They black
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: lighted it, you know, for people don't know what the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: black light means.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: A DNA shows up as bright spots. That was in
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: the car.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you're going to go to that extent,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: you know, and then try to cover it up or
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: explain it away, don't bring in the dogs, you know,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: don't ask the questions if you don't want to hear
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: the answer. And that was the main case that that
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: we worked on to bring us that in Lacrosse.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: So with all these different hubs and clusters of these deaths,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: is that does that mean that there are like their
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: own individual syndicates of a larger group just operate in
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: these cities.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, according to the one guy we spoke to, Yeah,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: they called them chairs that they have to prove themselves
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: and then they get the chair in that city.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: And I guess what that entails is.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 7: Once you're a chair, you know, you're doing things to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: bring in money, and you know, robberies and stuff like that,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 7: and there's the initiation of having to kill somebody or
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: you know, a certain way.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: So it doesn't look like murder, you know.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: And I'm not beating up the police because they're always overworked,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: you know, and to work on these things that way,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: it just takes a lot of manpower and proof. And
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: then the DA has got to be on board. There's
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: a whole series of events that have to happen to
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: make this thing happen, and sometimes it's just easier to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: explain away. Well, yeah they were drinking, okay, now they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 7: fell in the river. I mean, and one disgraceful event
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: that happened the corner at the time.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: I think he since passed away. There's a big, big
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: meeting of.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: The City of Lacrosse and he was speaking at it
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: and he says, oh, yeah, we know who the killer is,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 7: al Ca Hall.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's just a slap.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: In the face to these people have been victimized and
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: they just got victimized again.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: I found out to be atrocious.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: And besides, he's a coroner and people don't really understand corner.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: All they did was certified death.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: What does it take to be a corner I don't know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: but you walk over, oh yeah, that guy's dead, okay,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: you know, and then they send out to do a
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: real ald time scene. So that was disgraceful him to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: say anything along those lines.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: So do you think that, I mean, I guess my
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: question is how are they staying connected? Is it like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: there's an actual national person that they talked to, or
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: like a dark web chat room, Like, how.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: Did these people organize?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: It was through the dark web.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: There was there was one gentleman that they said they
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: used to visit in New Orleans. I don't remember his name,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: but there was a certain ideology that he prescribed to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: that they followed. Not necessarily that he was, you know,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: the main guy directing them specifically, but he was more
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: than happy to give them direction and maybe what to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 7: look for and why on all those things. So I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: don't know if like you know, the boss of bosses nationally,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 7: but definitely in certain areas of the country.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: So pretty much, Yeah.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Is there any concept of them filming these murders, like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: keeping this stuff or making snuff movies?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Or is this just like a personal thing.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: We don't have as far as I can remember, we
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: don't have any evidence to show that they filmed any
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: of them for snuff movies. It's not to say they wouldn't,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: you know. Now, of course, everybody has a cell phone.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: You can make like a movie, you know, on your
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: cell phone, and all that stuff. Now back fifteen twenty
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: years ago might not have been as readily able to
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, of course they had the little mini cameras
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: and stuff. So we don't know anything about that part.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: I haven't heard anything, but it wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I deal a lot on my channels
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: with these rings. But usually it's you know, like rings
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: or these snuff film rings, where it's you know, victimizing
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: children or adults force some sort of a commercial value
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: because they want to sell the films or they want
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: to sell children.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: But with these cases, it.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Seems to be kind of the opposite of that, where
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: it's a very personal reason for killing these people.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: It's not for profit. It's like for them, you know.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, based on the different ideologies.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: Sometimes it's a reward thing, you know, to them. They're
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: taking someone's power from them and then using it for
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 7: their own, you know, like it's it's good for them,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: you know. And that's why I don't want to say
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: it wrong, but the quality of the person. Of course,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 7: all people deserve to live whatever they are. But these
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: are more learned people, more accomplished, you know, even though
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: they're in college, you know, their scholarships, their athletes, their engineers,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: so in their warped mind and their ideology, so they're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: more valuable to them to take their energy and they.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: All have from what I could see.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially in Austin, they have a similar physical
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: look to them. What would you describe that look as like,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: what's kind of the features of these typical victims?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean there's not any fat kids or skinny kids,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: you know, or super tall or super short or anything
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 7: like that. They're all you know of a younger age,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: good build, healthy guys, accomplished, like I said, like athletes,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: or if they're not athletes, they were athletes.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: You know, they're all narrowly, narrowly focused.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: It's not like if you were to do a whole
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 7: segment on the population and what that entails, you think
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: you'd get, you know, a wide variety of people that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: you get drunk and fall in the river. How come
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 7: fat people don't get drunk and fall in the river,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 7: or how come you know, somebody with a broken leg
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 7: already doesn't fall in the river, or whatever the case
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 7: might be. These are all healthy, accomplished people of the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: same essentially the same height and build average or above average,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 7: you know, healthy people. So that's another thing, good question.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, what are the odds of that?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, a couple drownings you'd imagine you could write
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: off as a coincidence, but up in the hundreds.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: At this point it's no longer a coincidence. You have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: to have.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Pattern recognition and be able to see clearly something is
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: happening here.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you looked at the Riley strained thing. What
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: happened to him?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, how do you fall forty feet down almost
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: a cliff with all rocks.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: And everything and then not have any injuries from that?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm stumbling enough if I trip over here, you know,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: I'll break my ankle. Forget about falling down forty feet
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: with rocks and everything else, and then have no water
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: your lungs. To say you drowned, I mean, so many
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 7: things are almost preposterous to tell the family. How do
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: you in good faith say, oh, no, this is just
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: another kid. You know, he was stumbling. We'll have him
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: on video stumbling, okay, we why was you stumbling?
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: Okay? And then he's gone. You fell down a forty
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: foot cliff with rocks. It makes no sense.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really bizarre to me to see how there's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: always evidence that doesn't line up with, you know, an
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: accidental drown and for some reason they just throw it
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: out the window and write it off. It's but that
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: evidence paints such a bigger picture when you look at
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. Why do you think the government and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: like local police forces, why do you think they don't
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: want to.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Look into this theory?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Like seriously, because I've when you type in smiley face,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: it immediately comes up, like three articles down with the debunking,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: you know, drowning the smiley face theory. It's like they've
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: tried to silence you guys.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: Well, some of the debunking is not even accurate to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: begin with. You know, there was the homicide what the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: heck name of the Center for Homicide Research said, Well,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: it's not really this, it's not really that, so it's
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: not smile and face, and people, you know, take that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 7: like gospel if you do a little for the research
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: on the homicide. I'm sorry, Homicide Research Center. I I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: can't even remember the name of his place exactly. The
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 7: guy who was a fireman, he's not an investigator.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: What the heck does he know?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 7: But they put that down because they want, oh, yeah, no,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 7: this is debunked and forget about because it's easier just
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: to do that rather than you know, each jurisdiction has
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 7: to have their own case and then picked up by
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 7: the FEDS to then do it federally. So it's it's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 7: a big thing for them where they could just well, yeah,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: you know, we have no idea, and then they make
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: the death it's not a homicide. It's undetermined though, well
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: we're not sure how he died, but he wasn't killed,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: you know, we think he drowned. So a lot of times,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: you know, they'll they'll make it undetermined and that kind
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 7: of in a way gets them off the hook. But
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: really what that should do is require much more investigation
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: to find.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: Out exactly how he died.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: But a lot of jurisdictions don't do that, and that's
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: part of the problem is it would be such a
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: gigantic case that should be looked at nationwide that at
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: this point they don't they're not doing it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I always wonder from the moment someone's abducted to the
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: moment that they're discovered in a river. It's usually a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: period of a couple of days, you know, two to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: five days to even a couple of months.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: What are your.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on what's happening to those men after they're taken
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: between when they're found.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 8: Unfortunately, that's where the biggest blind spot is.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: But what we do know.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: Given the evidence of the live or morris of their bodies,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 8: the lividity. You know, usually the pooling of the blood
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: settles eight to twelve hours after they die, and so
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: if someone dies on their right side on the ground,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 8: the libidity is going to indicate that the pooling of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: blood is going to be on their right side, on
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: their torso, and they're found in this way, and yet
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: the libidity indicates that they died on their backs, or
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: they died on their stomach, and that they in spite
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 8: of being missing for two months, the post mortem indicates
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: that they've been alive for most of that two months,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 8: that they've only been dead for a couple of days.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: So that elicits that big question that you just asked
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: what happened in the intern of what was going on
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: with Patrick McNeil. I believe that that kid was terrorized,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 8: and I believe that he was tortured, tortured with the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 8: blow torch actually, and he was held. I mean, he
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: was missing for fifty days. His post mortem indicates that
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: he was only dead for three to four days, and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: the evidence on his body indicates that he was in
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: a somewhat warm climate when he died. That's why they're
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 8: a fly larvae in his groin area. They don't hatch
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 8: and grow on a body floating in a freezing river.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: You know, that doesn't happen. So what happens to these kids?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you something that I haven't told
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: anybody else, and it's just a hunch. It's a feeling.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 8: And I have very much operated by my intuition and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 8: all of this because when I do, it tends to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 8: work out and tends to put me on the path
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 8: toward like the truth ultimately, and that's why I do it.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 8: My thought when I asked that very question in the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 8: beginning of all this, what my gut told me was
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: that these kids are taken to a secure location. They're
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 8: not tortured after the fact. After Patrick McNeil that was
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: a close call, and other kids were tortured. There was
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: one case of Lacrosse where the evidence pointed to exanguination,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: the complete loss of blood, like he was drained of blood,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: you know, like he was hung upside and drained of
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: blood completely. So weird shit, But that was a case
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: back in the late nineties. I believe I don't think
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 8: they're doing that anymore. But I think in the beginning,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: these kids and maybe even now were probably videotaped and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: terror up being terrorized and psychologically tortured. They were scared.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 8: They're probably begging for their lives. And you have these
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: people in masks telling them, you know you're dead, We're
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 8: gonna kill you, gonna end up just like all those
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 8: other kids in the river. How do you feel about
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 8: that you're dead, You're never getting out of here. And
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: I think that fear gets some people off. That's why
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 8: the Red Rooms, I think it still is an urban legend.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: Red rooms places where kidnap people are taken and tortured
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: and videotaped for the Dark Web, and all these people
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 8: pay like twenty five to fifty thousand dollars a pop
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: to view the torture and ultimate murder of these victims.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: It's considered an urban legend. It's not an urban legend.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: They exist, These happen, These happen. I think potentially that
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: these kids are taped before they are murdered, and I
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: think those tapes are probably distributed in soul. That's what
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: I think is happening. That's why I think a lot
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: of times, these kids when they're missing, it's not one
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 8: or two days or three days, it's weeks, sometimes even months.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: If they're being murdered, they're being abducted, and then they're
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 8: being murdered, and then there's a period of time in
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 8: which those two don't like line up. There, there's this
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: empty space. That space of time points to extremely ill intentions.
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  Speaker 8: And I think that you know they are psychologically sometimes
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 8: even physically tortured and recorded. But I do believe that
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  Speaker 8: this is a group of highly sophisticated killers with one
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  Speaker 8: hundred percent success rate. How many how many serial killers
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: do we know of that have one hundred percent success rate? None?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 8: We don't know them because the very fact that they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: have one hundred percent success rate means that they float
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  Speaker 8: under the radar and that they are not known. There
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 8: is a type of killer in this world that exists
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: that is so good at killing, so good at murder,
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  Speaker 8: so good at hiding their crimes, that they are never discovered.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what these guys are. We're talking about very
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: intelligent people. We were talking about people who probably do
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 8: this because I mean to just level with you, like
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 8: you know this, like a lot of killers. They are
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: on the sociopathic and psychopathic spectrums. You know, they probably
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 8: these killers have some degree as psychopathy. A lot of
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 8: psychopaths are in high up positions. They are in government.
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  Speaker 8: They are like high powered lawyers, they're hedge fund managers.
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  Speaker 8: They're very smart people, they're very organized. They're real fucking
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  Speaker 8: good at what they do. It's the same with killing.
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  Speaker 8: These guys are that but murderers, and they get off
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  Speaker 8: on it, and they love it, and they love to
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  Speaker 8: flaunt these murders in front of the public. And you
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: got thirty three percent over here saying it's a conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 8: You got thirty three percent saying it's just accidental drownings,
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  Speaker 8: and the other thirty three percent are like, oh no,
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  Speaker 8: these are murders.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 8: They love that shit. It makes them happy. And I
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  Speaker 8: think sometimes the smiley face graffiti being found, I don't
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  Speaker 8: even think it's it's because it's their signature. I think
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  Speaker 8: they caught on to the fact that smiley faces were found,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 8: and Kevin and team we're talking about about that aspect
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: of the case, and they're like, you know what, let's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: with people and let's let's leave smiley faces. Some people
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: have discovered smiley faces after starting to investigate these cases,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: and the way that they found the smiley faces indicates
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: that these people have very sophisticated means of surveillance, of
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 8: watching what is happening, what you're saying, what you're writing,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 8: what you're typing online. This isn't some podunk hillbilly group
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: in down East Main, which is where I grew up.
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  Speaker 8: So I can say that because I am one of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 8: those people, or I was one of those people. It's
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: not like that, like these these are smart people. These
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: are smart guys. I think that there is certainly certain
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: ritualistic elements. I mean, you have a lot of people
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 8: like going missing, getting abducted on like full moons. You
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: have people getting abducted on Halloween and on like Satanic holidays.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 8: They don't have us. They're one signature. That's why I
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 8: call them the rivermen and not the smiley face killers,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: because the smiley face graffiti isn't in every case, but
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: the river are the bodies of water are They are
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: the rivermen. That is the one lone signature tying them together.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: You have some victims who disappear in super mysterious circumstances
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 8: like I think Brian Schaeffer's case, he went to a
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: bar and he never came out. The investigator on that
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 8: case looked, he looked at the surveillance footage. He examined
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: every single person and identified every single person. We're talking
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 8: probably over one hundred people that night who went in
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: and came out. He said, Brian Shaffer is the only
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: one that went inside but never came out. The only
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: place he could have gone was towards the back where
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 8: there were no surveillance cameras. That alludes to a level
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: of sophistication that we can't even really comprehend. So that's
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: one case. And then another case. You know, some kid
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: is waiting for this girl he's got a crush on Minneapolis.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: Is Jay Anderson to leave a party and he's standing outside,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: just like Patrick McNeil was waiting for a girl at
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 8: the Dapper Dog. And then he disappears. He's gone, He's gone.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: He leaves inexplicably. And then you have some people who
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: die of hypothermia. Rape aside a body of water, literally
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 8: feed away from it, and some people are found in
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 8: the water. Some people have water in their lungs, but
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: some people don't. Some people are drained completely of blood,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 8: and some people aren't, you know, in a much more
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 8: ambiguous state. You know, some people are found in a
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 8: few inches of water and some people are found in
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: twenty feet of water. The one commonality is that they
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: are found in bodies of water. The ritualistic aspect, it
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 8: could just be another fuck you to us to obfuscate
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 8: the truth.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: So last question, what do you think?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like a two pronged question, like why
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: do you think there's never been a formal investigation into
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: these crimes.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Like we're going to look into the river, you know, murders,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: and what.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Do you think would have to be done to finally
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: get justice for these families.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 8: Serial killers are bad for the economy. That's one aspect.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: Serial killers are bad for business. When you got this
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: up and coming gentrified area, you know, in Brooklyn or Austin,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 8: and you know you're trying to get more tourists to
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: come in and spend their money and boost the economy
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 8: of that up and coming location. The last thing that
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: you want that you want to do is tell the
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: public there's a serial killer on the loose. The last
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 8: thing that the investigative agencies want to do is admit
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 8: that they funked up, that there might be twelve cases
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 8: in Austin, and the investigative bodies realized that after the
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: third or fourth victim, there was a killer for killers
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 8: on the loose, and they fucked up, and they have
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: to report back to the other overarching investigative agencies and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 8: to the families and to everybody involved and say, hey, sorry, yeah,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 8: there was a serial killer. We you know, we didn't
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 8: follow the trail of evidence correctly, and so eight more
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 8: people died. My bad, we'll start investigating it now, though. No,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 8: they'll lose their jobs, they will be publicly defamed. They
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: will be they will be shamed. You know what social
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 8: media is now and it will never live in a
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: anonymous life again. They're afraid. They're afraid. They're afraid of
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: losing their jobs, their careers, their pensions, their families. They're
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: afraid of being called out, afraid of being caught and complicit.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 8: So you have a lot of factors that again the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: killer is very aware of that, just like go against
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: investigating these as homicides, and it's been that way for
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: a while. That's what I think is potentially preventing these
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: cases from being solved and being properly investigated. And I
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 8: think that the only way to change that is to
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 8: convince all parties involved who know something, all parties involved.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 8: And I'm talking about investigators. I'm talking about police departments,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: medical examiners, mor titians, I'm talking about eyewitnesses. I'm talking
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 8: about everybody to screen from the rooftops what they have seen,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 8: what they know, what they think, and release that information,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: all of it to the public. So when more people
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 8: come together and start spreading that and releasing it, then
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 8: we can have indictments, then we can have these cases solved.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 8: That's what I hope happens.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Everything that I've just presented to you, in ninety nine
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: percent of these smiley faced drowning cases, they're all listed
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: as accidents. Everybody from Lacrosse, it's just an accident. Most
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: of the people from you know, Minneapolis, it's an accident.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Most of the people from Chicago and Nashville and Austin,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: they're all just tragic accidents.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Local authorities refuse to even look into these theories and
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: these concepts that these aren't accidents. I mean, if I
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to spend a whole day talking to you guys
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: I could. I would highly recommend reading Kevin and Tony's.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Book that they published.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the description of this video
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: about their findings. You know, throughout all of these investigations,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: it's staggering.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: So many of these victims have had wounds.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: And injuries that were inconsistent with drownings. Timelines and timetables
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: are they don't match. And then there's this code and
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: the graffiti and the motifs that.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Keep popping up.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: And like they said in the interview, they actually infiltrated
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: one of these dark web groups. And I feel like
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Tony and Kevin have so much information that they're just
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: waiting to release. I just can't wait for that day,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait for families to get justice and
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: to be vindicated, because it's terrifying. Anybody around you could
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: be a member of the Smiley Face Killer gang. It
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: could be your boyfriend sitting right next to you on
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: the couch. It could be your wife of twenty years.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: It could be your son, your daughter, your grandson.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: You don't really know.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: These people don't walk out in public with shirts that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: say I'm a serial killer or hold up signs that
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: say watch out, I might try to kill you. That's
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: the scary part about all this. More than likely, they
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: look like you and I. They look like me, they
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: look like your brother and your sister. They're just normal
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: folks with the darkest of desires. I'm just hoping that
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: one day authorities will take the smiley face murder theory seriously,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: because there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that none of
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: these men died in accidental death. But until next time,
• 1:47:05
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• 1:47:07
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• 1:47:11
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• 1:47:23
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• 1:47:25
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• 1:47:27
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