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David Samson’s CBA battle review + Sacramento’s expansion team quest · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: The sweet life. Let's talk to David Sampson, former Marlins
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Speaker 1: exech and great, great host of nothing personal with David Sampson,
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Speaker 1: and this is really his Christmas right now. We got
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Speaker 1: CBA talks and this week going over with the players
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Speaker 1: propose and the MLB side that's coming up. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I listened this morning, David, as I often do. Great
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Speaker 1: to have you back on. Man, let's get into this, like,
0:28
Speaker 1: let's roll up our sleeves. You know how we roll here,
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Speaker 1: no holds barred, say whatever the heck you want. Let's
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Speaker 1: start fun though, So your thoughts first here on the
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Speaker 1: player proposal and get into however you want to get
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Speaker 1: into it. But give me one thing you loved about
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Speaker 1: it and one thing you hated about it.
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Speaker 2: I love that they made it. I love that we're
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Speaker 2: starting the process because you can't have a deal without yesterday,
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Speaker 2: and you can't have a deal without today, And you
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Speaker 2: can't have a deal until we're hanging by our fingernails
0:55
Speaker 2: at the last vestiges of a work stoppage that could
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Speaker 2: be resulting in missed games or god forbid more. You've
1:01
Speaker 2: got to get to that point. You can't just imagine
1:03
Speaker 2: you're at that point. So this is a step so
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Speaker 2: that I liked. What I didn't like is the fact
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Speaker 2: that it's posturing both the players union. You are going
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Speaker 2: to see today with the owners. They're going to make
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Speaker 2: a proposal to the players, and there's going to be
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Speaker 2: some sort of public release pr statement that is released.
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Speaker 2: Like Bruce Meyer did yesterday, MLB will do it today,
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Speaker 2: And it's all meant to try to convince us of
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Speaker 2: stuff that may or may not be true. But it's
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Speaker 2: again just part of the process. So what I hate
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Speaker 2: is the process, and what I love is the process.
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Speaker 3: Nice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So now let's get into the big one and
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Speaker 1: then we'll work our way down to other details. So
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Speaker 1: we know the leagues are going to propose a cap.
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Speaker 1: That's a fact. At this point. We know that the
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Speaker 1: player side now proposed what is essentially a cap or
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Speaker 1: a sorry, a floor for owners which we have never seen.
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Speaker 1: And you could call the software right because it wasn't
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Speaker 1: a Hey you have to be here. There's penalty on
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Speaker 1: the bottom. And you can explain this better than I can.
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Speaker 1: So take me through the math there. As someone who
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Speaker 1: was running an organization that was a low rev smaller
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Speaker 1: market team, what this looks like from the owner side.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the players call it a competitive integrity tax,
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Speaker 2: and really there's been a rule in place long before today.
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Speaker 2: It's been in place for a couple decades, which is, hey,
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Speaker 2: you're going to get revenue sharing, Okay, use it to
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Speaker 2: quote improve your major league product. And we took that
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Speaker 2: as an open invitation to do anything we wanted with
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Speaker 2: our revenue sharing and to have any payroll we wanted,
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Speaker 2: because we could always just write a letter that said, hey,
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Speaker 2: this weight room helps our major league product, or this
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Speaker 2: improvement in development where we bought pitching machines that will
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Speaker 2: help our major league product. What the players are trying
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Speaker 2: to say is that what really helps the product is
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Speaker 2: only paying players at the major league side. And I
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Speaker 2: understand why that would be their position. It makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 2: And by having a tax on teams that can't get
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Speaker 2: to that number, you are putting them at a tremendous
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Speaker 2: disadvantage because the other part of their proposal really lessened
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Speaker 2: the amount of money coming to them in revenue sharing,
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Speaker 2: and the players were not very forthcoming about that, and
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Speaker 2: their salvo yesterday they said that there'll be more money
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Speaker 2: going to small market teams, but I did the math,
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Speaker 2: and because of where they're moving the CBT threshold to,
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Speaker 2: it's actually less money. But I totally understand why they
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Speaker 2: would say that and why they would want that.
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Speaker 4: Okay, I got a couple of questions. I got a
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Speaker 4: question for you on some of the stuff that you
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Speaker 4: you just said right about. You know, you got revenue sharing,
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Speaker 4: you used to own the Marlins, used to be in
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Speaker 4: the owners oone in the Marlins ownership, right, and so
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Speaker 4: the Marlins right with this new thing that you know,
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Speaker 4: Rob Manfred comes out and says this, there's this huge
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Speaker 4: discrepancy between the Marlins and last place and the Dodgers.
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Speaker 4: You can argue over the numbers, how they're going to
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Speaker 4: play the numbers, this and that. But here's the question,
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Speaker 4: and this is from Code to five Baseball Forbes report
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Speaker 4: of the Marlins. Three hundred and twenty in revenue, ninety
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Speaker 4: nine million in player expenses, fifty three in operating income.
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Speaker 4: So they made roughly one hundred and sixty million around there, Okay,
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Speaker 4: that they didn't do in anything, and a four hundred
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Speaker 4: million increase in team value. Where's the problem, Marlins. I
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Speaker 4: don't understand Marlin's are making Marlin's made five hundred million
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Speaker 4: last year. David fig I don't understand. This is not
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Speaker 4: a player versus owner fight. This is an owner verse
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Speaker 4: owner fight in a greed verse greed fight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just tell you that those numbers. I'm not
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Speaker 2: running the team anymore, but it would be a dream.
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Speaker 2: But fifty three million in operating income, that's not cash
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Speaker 2: to me. That is profit from operation, but that may
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Speaker 2: not count any debt service they have or payments that
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Speaker 2: they have to make. So there is a technical accounting term,
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Speaker 2: which to me, I was always interested in how much
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Speaker 2: money is in the bank account on January one and
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Speaker 2: how much money is the bank account on December thirty one,
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Speaker 2: and that would give you the numbers for the year.
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Speaker 2: But in terms of if you put that quote back up,
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Speaker 2: it's missing a couple of things in the calculation. It
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Speaker 2: talks about what player expenses is if you can see
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Speaker 2: ninety nine million, But what you're saying you can't compare
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Speaker 2: ninety nine player expense to three hundred and twenty in
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Speaker 2: revenue because there's a ton of other expenses to run
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Speaker 2: a baseball team, and not just player development, which is
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Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars. But it's even more than that.
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Speaker 2: But you've got all of your cost of people, you've
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Speaker 2: got your cost of operating in a stadium, So there's a
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Speaker 2: ton of costs in there. Interest income is something that
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Speaker 2: no one wants.
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Speaker 3: To talk about.
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Speaker 2: But you got to pay your mortgage. That's what interest
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Speaker 2: income is. And the other thing is on the worth
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Speaker 2: of the team. That is a false argument. If Bruce Sherman,
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Speaker 2: of the owner of the Marlins, could get one point
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Speaker 2: six million dollars for his team today, I believe that
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Speaker 2: deal would happen. The reality is that you don't know
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Speaker 2: what your team is worth except what someone will pay for.
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Speaker 2: And so I can tell you that the padreser worth
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Speaker 2: three point nine billion. I can also tell you that
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Speaker 2: that number does not impact what people are bidding for
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Speaker 2: the Nationals or the Angels, or the Twins or the Marlins,
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Speaker 2: because if it were, then the Nationals, Twins and Angels
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Speaker 2: would be sold already because those owners want to sell.
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Speaker 2: So there's not that correlation that you think.
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Speaker 3: What's the one thing that would make everything very black
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Speaker 3: and white for this process to go smoothly? For Major
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Speaker 3: League Baseball because you're talking about operating expenses that cost
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Speaker 3: you know, the Marlins have a ninety nine million dollar
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Speaker 3: player expense. Well, that's not their payroll for the season
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Speaker 3: that has some cooked it. What is the one thing
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Speaker 3: that we could lay it out? Owners show their show this,
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Speaker 3: players show this, and this is how we move forward
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Speaker 3: so that major League Baseball is better after this CBA.
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Speaker 2: But you know this, the union has access to the financials.
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Speaker 2: The Union c the actual audited financials of the teams.
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Speaker 2: That's the ultimate irony of all this for me is
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Speaker 2: that everyone says everyone's line, except everyone has the audited
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Speaker 2: statements where you can't fool auditors. There's no accounting tricks.
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Speaker 2: It's all there's notes. There's tens of pages of notes
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Speaker 2: that accompany all audit reports. It's thick, and you sign
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Speaker 2: it as the team president and you have to read
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Speaker 2: every word and understand why the numbers are that the
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Speaker 2: numbers are. Transparency is not the issue, certainly as it
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Speaker 2: relates to fans. They don't have the transparency because who
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Speaker 2: wants to think about or look at these numbers. But
8:37
Speaker 2: collective bargaining, the players and the owners are looking at
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Speaker 2: the same facts, but they just look at them through
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Speaker 2: different prisms. And you can see that with the commissioners
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Speaker 2: saying it's about competitive balance, the players saying, what are
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Speaker 2: you talking about? The Brewers are in first place. So
8:54
Speaker 2: when two people look at the same situation and see
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Speaker 2: a different, different item or a different figure, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to negotiate.
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Speaker 4: Okay, a couple of things on this one. You say
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Speaker 4: they're looking at the same books. Okay, open them up
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Speaker 4: to the public, then let me see them. I'd love
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Speaker 4: to read them. I'd love to see them. Why won't
9:11
Speaker 4: we do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a private business. I wouldn't do it.
9:15
Speaker 2: I was asked to do it. Do you know what's
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Speaker 2: a funny story. I once opened the books to a
9:18
Speaker 2: reporter for the Miami Herald the Miami because it was
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Speaker 2: so ridiculous what was being reported, and I wanted the
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Speaker 2: Herald to get it right. While we were trying to
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Speaker 2: get a stadium. I sat with him and he went
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Speaker 2: through our audited numbers. I literally opened the books. What
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Speaker 2: came out was an article that was completely incorrect and
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Speaker 2: that it didn't give the correct picture, and it was
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Speaker 2: just it made people's eyes glaze. I think you say
9:40
Speaker 2: that and people say they want to see books, but
9:43
Speaker 2: that's not really true. What they want is to root
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Speaker 2: for a team that can win. They want players who
9:47
Speaker 2: they love cheering for. I just don't think the normal
9:50
Speaker 2: fan is interested in ibadah, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Speaker 4: Okay, then let me ask you this comvetitive balance. Who's
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Speaker 4: in first place right now? Well, the A's fell out,
9:59
Speaker 4: but the Rays, the Guardians, Right, they're low budget, small market,
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Speaker 4: but they're ahead of some of these big market teams.
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Speaker 4: What's the competitive balance? Argument's kind of gone out the
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Speaker 4: window other than the Dodgers, right.
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Speaker 2: No, I think you have to be smart. You are
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Speaker 2: smarter than that. First of all, you know that standings change,
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Speaker 2: but you also know that when you get into the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: you watch the Brewers play the Dodgers, and it was
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Speaker 2: just an absolute crushing because the Dodgers just had a
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Speaker 2: depth of pitching that the Brewers simply could not and
10:28
Speaker 2: cannot match. So it's not about looking at one year's
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Speaker 2: worth of standings. Anything to have statistical relevance needs time,
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Speaker 2: It needs sample size. I'm not going to look at
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Speaker 2: sixty games and tell you that I conclude X or Y.
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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone should do that in any business.
10:45
Speaker 2: You have to take a much longer term view and
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Speaker 2: then analyze and analysis says that the lower the payroll,
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Speaker 2: the less likely it is to make the playoffs, and
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Speaker 2: even if you're in the playoffs, the less likely it
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Speaker 2: is to advance. It's not that the owners are making
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Speaker 2: that up. It's actually the facts going back, you know,
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Speaker 2: twenty years.
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Speaker 3: How do those facts compared to these salary cap leagues then,
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Speaker 3: because there's absolute inept teams that are raking in money,
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Speaker 3: and there's teams that win that are raking in money
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Speaker 3: in other leagues. And if this is and if we're
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Speaker 3: talking about franchise, I'm not even sure what the word is.
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Speaker 3: How much you make year after year, multiply it by twelve.
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Speaker 3: That's what NFL teams are selling their teams at MLB
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Speaker 3: teams are selling their revenue. Multiply it by seven. And
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Speaker 3: so ultimately, how is it not going to be traded
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Speaker 3: as or sold to the fans as greed? Oh? Easy,
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Speaker 3: we just go around and say competitive, competitive, competitive, when
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Speaker 3: other leagues that don't have that, or that have salary
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Speaker 3: caps don't have that competitiveness.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, you're never going to legislate a waste stupidity.
11:53
Speaker 2: You know that there's front offices that, no matter what,
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Speaker 2: are just going to stink and the teams are going
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Speaker 2: to be bad. You're also going to have dine in
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Speaker 2: leagues with salary caps. We've seen it in football with
12:03
Speaker 2: the Patriots. You saw it in basketball with the Warriors,
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Speaker 2: and there's dynasties in baseball without a salary cap, with
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Speaker 2: teams that aren't necessarily at the top of the payroll chain.
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Speaker 2: My only point in how to look at things in
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Speaker 2: a capped league is that I just want the difference
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Speaker 2: between the top team and the bottom team to be
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Speaker 2: smaller so that we can point out who's really stupid
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Speaker 2: and who's not. In the NFL, does anyone argue that
12:27
Speaker 2: the Jets are just incompetent because they've got the same
12:31
Speaker 2: ability to win as the Packers. It's not about New
12:34
Speaker 2: York versus Green Bay, which in baseball would be a
12:36
Speaker 2: big deal. That's number one, number two those other sports.
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Speaker 2: Every team has a chance to keep their players. Think
12:44
Speaker 2: about Oklahoma City there about they could win a second
12:46
Speaker 2: title in a row. They re sign their star players
12:49
Speaker 2: when we want a title. We had to let Pudge
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Speaker 2: go to Detroit. We had to trade Derek Lee because
12:53
Speaker 2: we just literally could not afford it. Didn't have the
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Speaker 2: cash and I just would rather teams have an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to show that they're smart or be shown that they're not.
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Speaker 1: So your example's perfect, right, you guys needed more money.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it super simple for everyone here
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Speaker 1: watching to understand why we're going to talk about this
13:15
Speaker 1: for a while and have back and forth. Legal lawyers
13:17
Speaker 1: are going to they win always out of all of this, right,
13:20
Speaker 1: because it's not just the amount of lawyers on both
13:22
Speaker 1: sides that are hired, it's the outside council. There's so
13:24
Speaker 1: much money going to lawyers during the next year, it's insane.
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Speaker 1: But fast forward David to the time when it actually
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Speaker 1: gets to, hey, are we gonna miss fring training games?
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Speaker 1: All of that. If the players are truly holding firm
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Speaker 1: that they're one thing is they will not give in
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Speaker 1: on a cap. And you said in the past you
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Speaker 1: need more money, and the sport's one league altogether, why
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Speaker 1: don't they just share it better? The money is there, right,
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Speaker 1: The Dodgers are making a fortune. I think they could
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Speaker 1: do double the budget they have now and still be fine.
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Speaker 1: That's how much money they're making on one player in Otani.
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Speaker 1: Why don't they just share it?
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Speaker 2: Listen, I'd love there to be more revenue sharing. There
13:57
Speaker 2: was nothing I enjoyed more than taking the Yankees money
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Speaker 2: and then meeting them in the World Series. I mean,
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Speaker 2: let's be clear, that was fantastic. So I acknowledge that
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Speaker 2: it's okay to be a revenue sharing recipient. But at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, we're lucky. We won a
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Speaker 2: World Series in ninety seven and oh three. I was
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Speaker 2: only there for three and it's just it's I want
14:15
Speaker 2: an opportunity to have shown that we had better front
14:19
Speaker 2: offices where we could have done a better job of
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Speaker 2: raising our payroll, because we did it one time and
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Speaker 2: it with twenty twelve. We brought in these players, it
14:27
Speaker 2: didn't work, and then all of a sudden we didn't
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Speaker 2: have access to any capital, couldn't afford to write checks.
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Speaker 2: So how to bring the payroll down again? And that
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Speaker 2: is just such a bad look to go up down,
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Speaker 2: up down. It makes everybody dizzy. So is there enough
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Speaker 2: money to be shared? I'd like there to be more
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Speaker 2: money shared, but until we get more national media deals,
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Speaker 2: it's really hard to know how much money that is.
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Speaker 2: So what's being negotiated now is not the amount of
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Speaker 2: money as much as the mechanism of sharing. That's what's
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Speaker 2: being negotiated above all.
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Speaker 3: Is there a way to find the happy medium of
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Speaker 3: competitive balance without franchise values skyrocketing? Like as a player,
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Speaker 3: I feel like owners want.
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Speaker 2: Of course they do. Why do players want to be owners?
16:18
Speaker 2: It's always don't you want to own your show. It's
16:21
Speaker 2: always better to own your show, to own your things
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Speaker 2: than to be an employee. It's always people get really
16:27
Speaker 2: rich with equity, not salary. That's always been the way
16:30
Speaker 2: of the world. You can live really well with a
16:32
Speaker 2: high salary. You know, as a player, you can make
16:35
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen million dollars a year and live a
16:38
Speaker 2: great life. But of course the person owning the team
16:41
Speaker 2: is going to do better. It's also a matter of risk.
16:44
Speaker 2: They're risking more. Of course they're more wealthy, but they're
16:46
Speaker 2: still risking more. But I just bring you back to
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Speaker 2: the thought that players get upset. And this is not
16:53
Speaker 2: just in baseball, by the way, this is every single
16:56
Speaker 2: union across any industry has an issue with management because
17:01
Speaker 2: they want a bigger piece of the pie. They want
17:03
Speaker 2: more money, and management says, we'll pay you your salaries,
17:07
Speaker 2: but then that's it. We'll take the appreciation of the asset.
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Speaker 2: We'll even give you some stock along the way, like
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Speaker 2: if you're part of a public company where you own stock.
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Speaker 2: But please don't misunderstand, it's always better to be an owner.
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Speaker 2: And that has nothing to do with baseball.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's finish with that. Sacramento wants to own their
17:28
Speaker 1: own baseball team that came out today with their big
17:30
Speaker 1: pitch and the money and the whole deal. You're smiling.
17:33
Speaker 1: I just said them last time.
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Speaker 2: And I don't say, hey, we need an owner. We
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Speaker 2: got a great city. We just need an owner. I'm sorry.
17:39
Speaker 1: Other than no, you're good, you're good. I want to
17:41
Speaker 1: let you cook, because for me, we were like, okay,
17:43
Speaker 1: they've got a team right now. I know it's not
17:45
Speaker 1: the same. And also I just think, and I've talked
17:47
Speaker 1: to some people that Salt Lake City's a lock. And
17:49
Speaker 1: so this is all just a little pony show. But
17:51
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the teams that'll pop up
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Speaker 1: here and say choose us.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it? Why because it makes the fees
17:58
Speaker 2: go higher. You have to have compety. It is critical
18:01
Speaker 2: in any league to have demand. You need cities saying
18:06
Speaker 2: I want a team, I want a team. How do
18:08
Speaker 2: you think that Vegas and Seattle got the expansion fee
18:11
Speaker 2: for the NBA that they got because there were cities
18:13
Speaker 2: around the country saying we want the NBA and if
18:17
Speaker 2: you want it, you got to pay for it. So
18:18
Speaker 2: from baseball standpoint and the owner's standpoint, they want as
18:22
Speaker 2: many cities even if it's not viable, like Montreal is
18:25
Speaker 2: not going to get an expansion team, but they're not
18:27
Speaker 2: going to be told that yet. They're going to be
18:29
Speaker 2: like a stocking horse. It's like the goat and the Survivor.
18:32
Speaker 2: The finale of Survivor, Joe gets no votes. There's always
18:35
Speaker 2: somebody who's just there for the ride, and that's what
18:38
Speaker 2: some of these cities are.
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Speaker 1: Well played. David, great to have you on man. Always
18:42
Speaker 1: appreciate the conversation. We'll be doing more of this if
18:45
Speaker 1: you'll take the invite, since we'll have more info coming
18:47
Speaker 1: out and everyone check out a show if you want
18:49
Speaker 1: more breaking down detail by detail on the CBA battle.
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Speaker 1: Thanks David, good talking to you, mam.
18:54
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Guys, take care of yourselves.
19:02
Speaker 1: There are a lot of business happenings going on this
19:04
Speaker 1: week in Major League Baseball. We're trying to focus on
19:06
Speaker 1: the games, but you got to hit some business too.
19:08
Speaker 1: Sacramento is making their push, not the Sacramento as the city.
19:13
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we're hosting the team we want to
19:16
Speaker 1: leg up in the competition for the West side of
19:19
Speaker 1: the Country battle. Right, So there's going to be two
19:22
Speaker 1: more teams at it. It's not official yet, but there
19:23
Speaker 1: will be. Okay, at some point in the next few years,
19:26
Speaker 1: you're going to hear about a team that is popping
19:29
Speaker 1: up in our league. In as Manford said, you know,
19:32
Speaker 1: crack the country in half. Interniconano and left side, right
19:37
Speaker 1: side is each going to get one right, So not
19:40
Speaker 1: necessarily coast because the team who's going to get it
19:43
Speaker 1: on the West side is not on the coast. Even
19:45
Speaker 1: though I'm going to say this part first, Mary Brown,
19:47
Speaker 1: who's going to join us next week. Sacramento officially unveils
19:49
Speaker 1: MLB expansion ballpark and funding details. So it's backed by
19:54
Speaker 1: a fully entitled fifty acres stadium site, nearly two billion
19:57
Speaker 1: dollars in public and private investment, and the largest under
20:00
Speaker 1: served Major League sports market in the country. That's coming
20:03
Speaker 1: from their their pr and everything they send out here.
20:06
Speaker 1: They're currently hosting a team, of course, and you know,
20:09
Speaker 1: their Council for Economics stuff said, we have a market
20:12
Speaker 1: to site, the capital, the community, blah blah blah.
20:16
Speaker 4: A j under market. They have a basketball team and
20:20
Speaker 4: Orlando's Orlando's market's way bigger than Sacramento.
20:24
Speaker 3: Sorry, just saying they have the times and giants are
20:28
Speaker 3: that far.
20:30
Speaker 1: No, Eric, No, you're wrong.
20:32
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Mark Friedman, founder and chairman of Fulkrom Property and board
20:35
Speaker 1: chair of the Greater Sacramento Economic Council. When MLB moves quote,
20:38
Speaker 1: when MLB moves forward on expansion, expansion, Sacramento will be
20:42
Speaker 1: impossible to ignore. It is impossible to ignore them right
20:47
Speaker 1: now they have a team.
20:48
Speaker 4: And impossible to know they have a team right now exactly.
20:51
Speaker 1: They have a team right now, and and and they're
20:54
Speaker 1: good and they're good. Yeah, I mean, it's fine, but
21:01
Speaker 1: it's not like bubbling. It's not busting open by the
21:04
Speaker 1: seams with you know, thousands of people sold out every night,
21:08
Speaker 1: tickets are crazy. In the secondary market, there's none of
21:11
Speaker 1: that going on. And also all of this is technically
21:13
Speaker 1: a moot point. Sacramento, I mean, Salt Lake City is
21:16
Speaker 1: a lock. It's it's already done. I'm telling you it's
21:18
Speaker 1: not officially done, but it's handshaked done. Sacramento is not
21:23
Speaker 1: getting a team, and neither is Portland and neither of
21:25
Speaker 1: those other spots. I'm just being very straightforward about this.
21:28
Speaker 1: I've spoken to people behind the scenes. Salt Lake City
21:31
Speaker 1: has a team, they were going to get a team,
21:33
Speaker 1: they have everything lined up, and everything else is just
21:36
Speaker 1: posturing to find out how much they'll have to pay
21:39
Speaker 1: and to make it like they're doing a fair fight here.
21:41
Speaker 1: It's like when Roki Sazaki growing up said I'm going
21:44
Speaker 1: to be a Dodger. I love Shoeotani, and once he's
21:47
Speaker 1: signed there, it didn't matter what you were doing. It
21:49
Speaker 1: wasn't rigged. He just was signing there. This is the
21:51
Speaker 1: same concept crats. MLB is choosing Salt Lake.
21:54
Speaker 3: City period an that's an underserved market. Sorry, that's an
21:59
Speaker 3: underserved market for a major league franchise, Like that's exactly
22:03
Speaker 3: what they're looking if that's if that's part of the
22:06
Speaker 3: criteria that they're looking for, like Sacramento, Like it's cool
22:10
Speaker 3: like it's nice, but like they don't need to build
22:13
Speaker 3: a mall with a baseball park around it in Sacramento.
22:15
Speaker 3: For like, you have your chance, Sacramento. If you want
22:20
Speaker 3: a team, you have to show them in the next
22:23
Speaker 3: You have to show major League Baseball in the next
22:25
Speaker 3: two three years, whenever Vegas, whenever Vegas is finally opened
22:28
Speaker 3: and they move out, show them that this city would
22:31
Speaker 3: be behind it. Because sorry, if you look at everything
22:34
Speaker 3: that's going on in Salt Lake you're gonna have a
22:37
Speaker 3: tough time beating them. They are going to be the
22:39
Speaker 3: team in Salt Lake City.
22:44
Speaker 1: They're getting a team. Our next guest is ready, so
22:48
Speaker 1: I don't even think we have to spend more time
22:49
Speaker 1: in this, although I will ask a later guest.
22:52
Speaker 4: They supported us in Triple A. They supported us in
22:55
Speaker 4: Triple A big time, the beat and I was there.
22:58
Speaker 4: I love it was awesome. It's the buzz then, but
23:00
Speaker 4: the Bees buzz the Bees, great place, great place to play.
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Speaker 1: Number One factor on the list how much money will
23:10
Speaker 1: come from public money. Salt Lake City will destroy anyone
23:13
Speaker 1: in that category. If if a place, If Sacramento says,
23:16
Speaker 1: oh the two billion, we're giving eight hundred Salt Lake's
23:19
Speaker 1: going to be like cool, we'll give one point too,
23:21
Speaker 1: Like they will beat the number by far.
23:24
Speaker 3: That's they pay homeless people to live there. They have
23:26
Speaker 3: tons of money out there.
23:27
Speaker 1: They have stupid money, and they will spend it on sports.
23:30
Speaker 1: They're all aligned on it. I'm just saying they are
23:32
Speaker 1: a powerhouse. They are the dream for what MLB wants
23:35
Speaker 1: on their checklist. I'm telling you, I've spoken to people.
23:38
Speaker 4: Behind that stadium though. I'm gonna need a roof on
23:41
Speaker 4: that stadium because it gets insanely hot and it's insanely colder.
23:45
Speaker 1: They both, yeah, retractable roof. They will pay for it.
23:50
Speaker 1: It will be state of the art. Okay, And I
23:52
Speaker 1: have no stakes in the game for this. I'm not
23:56
Speaker 1: a Utah. I've been there once. It's not like I
23:58
Speaker 1: know all about it. I just know ab out the
24:00
Speaker 1: business side of what's going on here. They're getting a
24:02
Speaker 1: team