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Bucky on the NFL Combine, Draft Class & Extensions | Huddle Up: Wednesday, March 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: The fields. Onto Broup proudly presents Huddle Ups with Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osier, and NFL Network analyst and
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  Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on George
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Hill Jack Rocks. We've got to look to the draft,
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  Speaker 1: We've got to look to developing the guys that are
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  Speaker 1: currently here and obviously reten as many of these guys
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  Speaker 1: as we can. Huddle Up With Bucky Brooks starts right now.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast from the NFL Scouting
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  Speaker 1: Combine and Indianapolis, Indiana. J P. Shadrick, Club, John Osier,
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  Speaker 1: and the Van of the gallery NFL Network analysts Bucky
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  Speaker 1: Brooks joining us here on Radio Row. A popular guy.
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  Speaker 1: You walk in the door and it's like people come
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  Speaker 1: to see you. They are coming to shake your hand,
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  Speaker 1: They want to be around Bucky. This is your event. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: someone called me to king get a combine. Can get
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  Speaker 1: the combine, come and meet everybody and do all this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed though, that we couldn't pull off
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  Speaker 1: the podcast on location somewhere like there are a few
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  Speaker 1: different steakhouses around town that I feel like we probably
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  Speaker 1: could have worked it out. I think next year that
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  Speaker 1: should be in the ass. Well, we gotta call your
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  Speaker 1: agent for that. I think no, no no, no, no, I
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  Speaker 1: think I think we should do that on location. That
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  Speaker 1: wanted little spots here, like they're saying, almos, there's herring
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  Speaker 1: is he's there's a little spot we could carve out
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  Speaker 1: in the corner with like some shrimp cocktails and have
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  Speaker 1: a few little stories and talk about I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: way around the corner. It's only the second day, so
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  Speaker 1: we could we got some time. Yea, yeah, another one.
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  Speaker 1: How are we doing? Great man, Great to be here,
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  Speaker 1: great to see it. Yeah, here we are. Spent a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks and you know, it's it's combined time. Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl was over just a couple of weeks ago, so
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  Speaker 1: folks have covered all this stuff. It's like this thing
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  Speaker 1: never really ends. So it's the offseason. It's the machine
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  Speaker 1: never stops. No, that's exactly what the NFL wanted. They
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make football relevant twelve months out the year.
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  Speaker 1: Being able to do that, you go from the Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl in the middle of February to now you got
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  Speaker 1: the combine, which moves into March. You got free agency.
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  Speaker 1: Free agent frenzy that happens after that the draft, and
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  Speaker 1: before you know it, you know what time it is,
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  Speaker 1: JP is Mini camp time. And then once you go
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  Speaker 1: to Mini caamp, he's training camp. And then we are
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have much but Bucky, you're the King
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  Speaker 1: of the Combine. Yes, which I think might be the
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  Speaker 1: most overrated event on the NFL calendar except for doing
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  Speaker 1: things like this. But honestly, how how much does this
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  Speaker 1: really affect the guy's draft stock buck? And as king
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  Speaker 1: of the combine? I know what you have to say,
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  Speaker 1: but give me something here, I'm gonna i' gonna give
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  Speaker 1: you something. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you
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  Speaker 1: something like The things that really matter about the combine
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  Speaker 1: the medical evaluation number one, one A and one D.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the number one thing. The second most important
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  Speaker 1: part of it is the interview sessions because the first
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  Speaker 1: time that the coaches and the scouts and the executives
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  Speaker 1: have an opportunity to sit down and talk to the prospects,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's for only fifteen minutes, it's your first
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  Speaker 1: introduction to who this player is, and so you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of put a face with the name and begin
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  Speaker 1: to figure out if they appear to fit with what
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  Speaker 1: you And my guess is Bucky that even if the
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  Speaker 1: GM say there's only so much you can get from
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, that's a big fifteen because they carry it
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  Speaker 1: with him, right. Yeah, it's a big fifteen because depending
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  Speaker 1: upon the prospect, if he comes in he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: anything in the background that's egregious an illegal issues, it's
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to really kind of talk about ball. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of times when you walk into those rooms, they
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  Speaker 1: may have some film already queued up, You watch to
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  Speaker 1: some film, you go through that, you kind of begin
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  Speaker 1: to assess where our prospects football acumen is and what
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  Speaker 1: they know, what they don't know. Can they walk you
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  Speaker 1: through the process and those things. And then the final
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  Speaker 1: part of it is maybe the least important part, which
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  Speaker 1: is the workout. And the reason why I say it's
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  Speaker 1: the least important part is because Trimbaki won't like this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll say this. I'm gonna give you a little
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  Speaker 1: secret sauce. No matter what you do at the combine,
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  Speaker 1: scouts have to take the best measurement time jump from
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  Speaker 1: wherever it is right. So if you work out here,
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  Speaker 1: the comment listeners say, JP Shadrick ran four or five
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  Speaker 1: five here and it's not good. Let's say it if
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  Speaker 1: you say, if we take him an argument his pro
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  Speaker 1: day and he runs four four or five, the four
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  Speaker 1: four or five will go down on his card. And
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of this is to see if you
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  Speaker 1: will compete, see if you can deal with some of
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  Speaker 1: the adversity that was kind of manipulated, manufactured where a
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  Speaker 1: to have you up all night, have you up, get
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  Speaker 1: like you get up early? Can respond and are you
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  Speaker 1: willing to endure all this other stuff to do it?
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  Speaker 1: And then they know that no matter what, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: take the best time. So it's just an opportunity see
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  Speaker 1: who wants to compete, who doesn't want to compete. But
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  Speaker 1: really it's about the medical and it's about the interviews.
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  Speaker 1: I heard this long time ago and kind of stuck
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  Speaker 1: with me. I prospect can hurt themselves more here than
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  Speaker 1: they can health themselves. Bad interviews. Yeah, yeah, the interview
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  Speaker 1: in the medical that's the stuff that hurts you. The
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  Speaker 1: performance on the field, it doesn't doesn't impact. It's not
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  Speaker 1: so much tape you played three years guess what. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's all about the tape. The only thing that you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to see are things Do things match up? You
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  Speaker 1: see someone who runs really fast, So I told you
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  Speaker 1: about running four or five five here JP, But when
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  Speaker 1: I look at the tape, you play super fast. You
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  Speaker 1: play like a four or four guy. When I just
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  Speaker 1: got to figure out did my eyes tricked me on
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  Speaker 1: tape or did you just have a bad day when
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  Speaker 1: it came to working out. Um, But it shouldn't really
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  Speaker 1: impact your draft status unless something comes up when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the medical or the interview process that you're
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  Speaker 1: worried about. But yet next week we'll see Bucky Brooks's
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  Speaker 1: risers and followers from the college. Yes, well, Ross Falls,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like we just gotta get a public what
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  Speaker 1: they want, right, I Mean, that's that's that's part of
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  Speaker 1: what the so proper of the draft process is. It's storylines,
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  Speaker 1: its headlines just uh kind of manufacturing some of these things.
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  Speaker 1: But in reality, if you ask a Balky and some
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  Speaker 1: of the guys on the other side, they'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: that the draft board doesn't move like that. There's not
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fluctuation based on performances in the spring.
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  Speaker 1: Everything should be done primarily off the table work Bucky
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  Speaker 1: Wonder and Trim Balky wouldn't answer this on the podium today.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll ask the draft guru here, what are some
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  Speaker 1: of the strongest position groups at this combine and this
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  Speaker 1: draft class coming up. Cornerback is really strong. I think
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of good cornerbacks. But one let
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  Speaker 1: me say overall about the class. It is not one
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  Speaker 1: that may be loaded with blue chip players, meaning the
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  Speaker 1: first round in terms of true first round grades like
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  Speaker 1: outside lockdown guy. It might it might be, it might
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  Speaker 1: be light in terms of normally gentle managed to tell
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  Speaker 1: you in most drafts eighteen to twenty four guys, great
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  Speaker 1: out is consists first round picks. This year, I'll say
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's about fifteen sixteen. But what you have are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are second and third round players.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you have a bunch of picks and
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  Speaker 1: on Day two you can come up, if you know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what you're looking for, you target some of those areas.
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  Speaker 1: Cornerback is a class where a lot of guys that
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  Speaker 1: can play, a lot of guys that may not be
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  Speaker 1: like those high end players. I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 1: a Sauce Gardener in the class. But there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of really good players that maybe they can be
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  Speaker 1: solid starters right out the gate. Wide receiver doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: marquee names, but they're solid players that are second and
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  Speaker 1: third round players. The quarterback class is one that we're
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  Speaker 1: still kind of working through because they're good players, but
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  Speaker 1: there may not be necessarily a franchise caliber guy that
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  Speaker 1: pops right away. So there's not a guy that will
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  Speaker 1: say like Trevor Lawrence was viewed, or even like Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 1: But they're good players in the right system, they can
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  Speaker 1: play at a high level, and so you just kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to dig through. I think pass rusher has
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  Speaker 1: some intriguing names, some guys that can get it done.
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  Speaker 1: But again, the class lacks high end blueshift players, but
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  Speaker 1: they're a bunch of really solid players that can play.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're if you're twenty four, which the Jaguars are,
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  Speaker 1: I still believe it. Maybe it's based on stations with
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  Speaker 1: you on huddle at Bucky, I would be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: if a corner isn't to pick there. I know they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna say that they're not going to target that, but
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  Speaker 1: it sort of feels like there's going to be corners
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  Speaker 1: available there picking twenty four, and historically that's a spot
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  Speaker 1: where you can get a guy who can play contribute.
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  Speaker 1: It's also a spot that can impact as a rookie,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little more than some other spots. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: To me, cornerback seems like the sweetpot. The sweet spot
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  Speaker 1: at twenty four. Well, I think too. You have two
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  Speaker 1: things that come together where the draft is waited cornerbacks
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  Speaker 1: in their round. So we talked about maybe fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: eighteen first round talents, So then that means anywhere from
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  Speaker 1: eighteen to fifty four to seventy or kind of like
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  Speaker 1: your second round guys. Well, the cornerback class is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be deep right in there. The big thing will be
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  Speaker 1: after the regular season. What were the meetings like we
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  Speaker 1: Doug and the coaches in terms of stylistically, how do
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  Speaker 1: we the defense to evall, because that will change what
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  Speaker 1: you're looking for at the cornerback position. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to be a team that plays a bunch of bump
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  Speaker 1: and run, man to man stuff like that, well then
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  Speaker 1: there's a handful of guys that fit that. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to be a team that plays more like we
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  Speaker 1: played at the end of the season where it was
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  Speaker 1: a little more zone. Some man were the guys that
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  Speaker 1: fit that. Determining the style of play will be big
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  Speaker 1: because now you have to get the players that fit
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  Speaker 1: how you want to play at cornerback. Man, if it
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  Speaker 1: goes as deep as you're talking about, maybe you have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about corner at that spot. You can get
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  Speaker 1: that guy in the second round and maybe you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for something else at twenty four. Yeah. So so to
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  Speaker 1: be interesting because like the natural thing is what happens
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  Speaker 1: to Juana Taylor? Like does he come back and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come back? Where do you feel that position? Do
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  Speaker 1: you feel good about walk a little? Can you slide
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  Speaker 1: him in there? Or is there something else? I think
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  Speaker 1: the swing tackle worth late first round people would say
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  Speaker 1: it would be yeah. And then is there a guy
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  Speaker 1: that fits that has a great that's worthy of being
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  Speaker 1: taken there? You know like that that always can you
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  Speaker 1: match up with the grade of the player with where
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  Speaker 1: you're picking and is it a huge varius or whatever?
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  Speaker 1: Tight End would be a position that I will also
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  Speaker 1: look for, not only because of Evan Ingram. I would
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  Speaker 1: fully expect Evan Ingram to be back, but the one
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  Speaker 1: thing that the evolution of the offense, maybe more two
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  Speaker 1: and three tight insets, two tight endsets, and particularly because
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  Speaker 1: you can dictate the terms a little bit, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: can go two tight ends and move Evan Ingram around.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you want two pass catches. If you go back
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  Speaker 1: and look at how Philadelphia played with Doug, it was
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  Speaker 1: zach Ertz, Godard, you know you had you had both
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  Speaker 1: of those guys kind of being available. So you can
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  Speaker 1: do some different things and create mismatches and those things
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  Speaker 1: that we've seen. Plus, nothing's tougher to defend then a
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  Speaker 1: balance two tight end skin nothing. I mean like that's
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  Speaker 1: so that's the thing, and so will there be a
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  Speaker 1: tight end. And there are some intriguing tight end names
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  Speaker 1: that would fit in the first round. Dardar Washington from
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  Speaker 1: Joe with a big, massive, hybrid officsive tackle that plays
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  Speaker 1: tied end for Georgia number zero, number zero. Dawn Kincaide
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  Speaker 1: from Utah, another playmaking tied end that is more like
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  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram than a true tied end. But there's some
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  Speaker 1: intriguing days and there are a bunch of possibilities. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll always say this around draft time, you can't go
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  Speaker 1: row taking the best available player. But in this draft, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have to take the best player. I hope did
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  Speaker 1: he fits in position to beat Bucky's changed my mind.
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying corner first round all along. He's talked
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  Speaker 1: me down on that. Now I'm tied end first round,
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  Speaker 1: cornerback second round. That's and JP evidently because he can
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  Speaker 1: round four five, I'm going in third, right, Yeah, four
• 11:37
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  Speaker 1: let everybody know again we're around all these other teams,
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  Speaker 1: behind you. You get a banner for that. There would
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  Speaker 1: be a flag. I think there'll be a flag in
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  Speaker 1: the Everybody gets priced back in a moment. Trent Balky
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson speaking with the media Today a recap after
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  Speaker 1: the Welcome Back to the Huddle Up Podcast from the
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  Speaker 1: Indiana Convention Center in downtown Indianapolis. Jap Shaddick, John Osre
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks the Huddle Up Podcast from the NFL Scouting Combine,
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  Speaker 1: where on Tuesday Trent Balky and Doug Peterson spoke with
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  Speaker 1: the media and a lot of conversations about the moving
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  Speaker 1: of money in the last week or so and there
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  Speaker 1: could be more ahead, but um, some some big contracts
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  Speaker 1: were stretched out, some signing bonus converted into signing bonus,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. John, Yeah, and I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this it's been big news this offseason
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: for Jaguars media and Jaguars observers. But to me, the
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: thing that they did that was sort of noteworthy was
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  Speaker 1: giving the contract or signing Roy Robertson Harris to the extension.
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  Speaker 1: Everything else was very standard. We need to move some
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  Speaker 1: money so that we can keep our guys, and it
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  Speaker 1: was very standard stuff for teams that are good. This
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  Speaker 1: team hasn't been good for a while, so you haven't
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  Speaker 1: wanted to keep your guys. I think in three years,
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  Speaker 1: if they were to be making moves like this, I
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: think most Jaguars fans. I think these would be briefs
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  Speaker 1: in the old newspaper vernacular. It's big news now because
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  Speaker 1: they're doing it. They're clearing cap space. It's one of
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  Speaker 1: the reason we talked so much about them being jammed
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: up against salary cap all of the season. Well they were,
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  Speaker 1: except that Trent Bawky knew that there was air and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these contracts that you could push forward,
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  Speaker 1: which they've done. So. I think the Roy Robertson Harris
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  Speaker 1: was very interesting to me because he was more unknown
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  Speaker 1: on whether or not he would be back. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that they went to him and signed that extension means
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  Speaker 1: they believe that he's a core guy going forward on
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  Speaker 1: the defense that I guess that teaches us something about
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  Speaker 1: how they feel about Roy Robinson Harris. The other ones
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  Speaker 1: seemed like more bookkeeping than me and not surprising, and
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  Speaker 1: now they have room to do some things in free agency,
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  Speaker 1: meaning resigning their own guys. Bucky, Yeah, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Roy Robinson Harris I think was big because he came
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  Speaker 1: on down the stretchs like, you felt his impact into play.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the mid season if this would have
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  Speaker 1: been made, Yeah, you felt coming down the stretch. As
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  Speaker 1: they got better, he became a more impactful players a
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  Speaker 1: lot of scrimmage, which is great. You can't have enough
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  Speaker 1: dominant or disruptive players at defensive tackles, so that was huge. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of the procedural moves, you're right, moving buddy around,
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  Speaker 1: playing the show game. Signed Bonus has converting that stuff out.
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  Speaker 1: So you have Payne in a long time, so it's unusual. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you haven't had players that necessarily wanted to resign
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  Speaker 1: because you had had a lot of success. When you
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  Speaker 1: have success, you feel good about the new Klie. You
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  Speaker 1: want to keep the a court together and build upon it.
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  Speaker 1: And so as we look at this team, this team,
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  Speaker 1: certainly the arrows pointed in the right direction, but then
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  Speaker 1: you got to find a way to get to the
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  Speaker 1: next do you think, um, from what Trent said on
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  Speaker 1: the air today with us and from what they've said
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  Speaker 1: all along, I don't think they'll be incredible. I mean
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  Speaker 1: absolutely quiet in other teams free agency if you follow me,
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  Speaker 1: sign other guys. But if it's not gonna be loud
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  Speaker 1: and I can do very much of it. Can they
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  Speaker 1: do what they need to do defensively? Particularly defensively. But
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  Speaker 1: can they add what they need to add personnel wise
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  Speaker 1: just through the draft, or do they have to go
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  Speaker 1: get a piece or two in a veteran free agency
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  Speaker 1: from outside the team. They have to go get some pieces.
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  Speaker 1: I still think there's some pieces that need to be
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  Speaker 1: added to the mix. As much as I would love
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  Speaker 1: to think that we can have all these young guys
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  Speaker 1: that will pop and they'll make immediate contributions, you're still
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  Speaker 1: gonna need some better experience. The key will be can
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  Speaker 1: you wait for that first waiver free you can see
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  Speaker 1: that happen, see some of the salary cap casualties that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Pick up guys, yeah, pick up guys on team friendly deals,
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  Speaker 1: and see if you can add to it. Because you
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: still need to add to the secondary. You don't want
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: all those guys to be young and positions of need.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: You want to double up, meaning maybe throw a free
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: agent and a draft pick at it and see which
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: one of those guys can can solve the issue. Let
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: me ask your thought on this, because you know i
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: JP's tired of reading me say it. I think the
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: key to this defense next year isn't so much what
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: they gain, but how that drafted core three. I call
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: them Muma, Lloyd and Walker develop. If they become what
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: they were drafted to be, then I think a lot
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: of the defensive issues take care of themselves. Yeah, that
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: does that does happen. They will take care of themselves.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: If you get the young guys to play and play
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: at a high level, they'll do it. So you need
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: those guys to play. You need Tray Won't Walk in
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: to play like a first round pick. You need Devin
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Lloyd to play like a first round pick in year two.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And if you're a draft and developed team, that's what
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: you have to have. You have to have it. And
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: so like, it's not only on the players, it's on
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the coaches to figure out, now that we have seventeen
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen games or tape on these guys, what can
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: we do to put him in the best position to succeed.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: That's Bucky Brooks, JP Shadrick, John Osier. It's the Huddle
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Up Podcast from Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine. We're
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks away or two weeks away from
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the start of the league year, of course, and then
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: a few weeks after that it's the offseason. Program that's here. Yeah,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson's talking about that schedule coming up. He's scheduling
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: season already. Either they were worried about interviewing prospects here
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and then he's got to juggle all that coming up,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and here we good practice. I can't know what. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: can't wait. I can't wait for the OTAs, like hopefully
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: we'll have an opportunity to kind of cast our eyes
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: on him. I know, John to be there with his
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: notepack tracking completions incompletions and who's in, what's in the rotation,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: all the other stuff. I can't wait because you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you know how important remember last year's veteran minicamp. Oh,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: that's right, didn't But the reason they didn't have it
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: because it was a reward for the attendance of the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: off season program. I mean, you gotta give m a
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: little a little bit Renny camp Gate last year with
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the fan there going nuts a little treat. What's that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson idiot doing? Yeah he did. Okay, they had
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: their legs in December, that's for sure. Yes they did.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: They certainly did. Uh, what's your schedule the rest of
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the week, Bucky, you know, get a little look how
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: mine event stuff. So we got a thing that I'm
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: working on called combine today a little preview before every
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: days of a workout. So I got a little hour
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of TV time to kind of work that out. We're
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: talking about who we're gonna see, who's who and what's what?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Is that a field or is that in the set
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: over here? Like where is that Dede offense? Saying no,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: we won't be no no field time for me. Okay,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: so I won't be in your way when you run
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: your forty. I will not be in the way. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: won't be anywhere near it. You should be able to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: do the run rich front take No, I'm good. We
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: need to sign you up for that. Like I'm out.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Come on, I'm busy. Come on. I guess what's the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: next big guy written thing for you? With the drafts?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I know you do your Is it the mock? I guess?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I guess. We did a mock draft to hit the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: day like, which is kind of crazy that you would
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: do a mock draft right before the combine. It'd probably
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: be better after the combine, but hey, it is what
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it is. So we had like a little mock that
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: we did today and then we will have you'll do
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: your top five, top five position. I'll update the top
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: fives because you know the combine will force some some movement,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: some action based on like seeing some guys run around
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and do their stuff or whatever. Um, should we go
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: through Bucky's mock draft right here? Well, I mean, I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: think we probably can just get to the Jaguars. Like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you got Jalen Carter going number one overall. By the way,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? How do you feel
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: about that strong, big, big dude, strong player that would
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: be back to back Georgia guys at the top of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the board because of defensive guys. Yes, they're all very good.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see Jaguars at twenty fourth. You've got Utah tight
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: end Dalton Kincaide. See, I even gave it, gave me
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a glimpse of that when I talked about tight end there,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Like I gave him a different one because I gave
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Dalton Kinkade the pass catcher from Utah that would be
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: back to back years dealing with a ute. That's right,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: that's right, and that makes less sense as we talked
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: about during the seconds, and that would make sense. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like the tight end first round corner because this is
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: this is your thing because you're all offense. You care
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: less about defense. You just want to throw and check in. Now,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So now we want to make sure that we can
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: we can put everything around Trevor Lawrence and allow him
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to go to the next level. If we talk about
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the AFC and having to deal with the quarterbacks, you're
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: talking about Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen. Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the only way to help Trevor get into that conversation,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you gotta put more around him and he has to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: make him major jump and so another weapon Dalton Kinkai
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to go with maybe Calvin Ridley. There we're cooking with gas. Okay,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: final marsh and final question for the scout. Yeah, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: am I am an offense first guy. But to win
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you gotta close the door pass or
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: how do they get better pass rush this offseason? Because
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: there were moments last year, but consistency. I think everybody
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: would agree they need more consistency at big moments. From
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. It it's not gonna happen in
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the draft, but maybe it does. Yeah, that's that's that's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a tough one. Because a couple of things. So you
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: have to then determine are you gonna be a rush
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: team or a coverage team? Are you gonna put your
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: resources in the back end, and then that way you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: can commit more gas to the pastris because you feel
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: better about what you have in the back in in
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: terms of being able to hold up or are you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: gonna be great with your front four and then try
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to protect the guys in coverage. That is a million
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: dollar question. So a lot of that will be in
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the off season seeing what Treyvon walking us. Also understanding
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: where we are with Josh Allen. How does Josh Allen look?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: What does he do? You think maybe more of that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: can be gotten out of Devin Lloyd. Yeah, Devin Lloyd
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: has to be like so being able to look at
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: what we have and kind of build upon that. But yes,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the million dollar question defensely are we a rush team
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: or are we a coverage team? Because data didn't dictate
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: where you commit your resources and also how it might call.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Will calls the game right there you go, I mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the man's busies, king of the combine. Let him got
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: king get a combine? Uh, I know our guy PK
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: is gonna listen. So I'm gonna put this on. We
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: gotta have signage, like the next time we come and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: do a thing on the comment like, we gotta have
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: bucks to sign it. It's an audio podcast. Yeah, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: we have to have signags just in case. It just
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I'm looking around at all the other teams and like, great,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be great. If we're gonna be great, we
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: have to have signage. You know what, all these other
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: teams didn't win. That's right, you're talking to the champs.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Chap wantuld be great? Would be great? You gotta have
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: some signage something behind that. How you guys will take
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: selfies and instagrams and snaps and all that, and you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: don't have anything signified it Like now you have to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: go somewhere and manufacture the background. We leave that to Gabby.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: She handles all that for us. That's what she does.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Come on, that's what she does. Bucky, Thanks for the time.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks carving it out of your you know, shrump cocktail schedule. Yeah, hey,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: next time too. So signage and on location. We can
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: do two pods. We can do one here with signage,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the other one we can do on location from a destination. Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I like rest of us. I've heard. Yeah, I'm aware,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: OK I am. Come on, like, let's one created. That's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, I'm J P. Shadrick. That's John Oser. Thanks
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to our entire crewber Reber, Debrie All, Dalton, Not Trumpadia,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato back in the studio. Thank you for listening
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to the Huddle Up Podcast.