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Missing Carlee Russell: I Lied, But I Don't Want to go to Jail · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the name Carly Russell, Well, I will never forget it.
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  Speaker 2: Carly Russell is the beautiful young twenty five year old
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  Speaker 2: Alabama woman who is the kidnap hoaxer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see where I was going with that beautiful
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  Speaker 2: young twenty five year old kidnap hoaxer? She had it
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  Speaker 2: all going for her and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: she fakes her disappearance, claims that she saw a toddler
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  Speaker 2: wandering by the side of the interstate and was.
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  Speaker 3: Pulling over to help him. You can hear the night
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  Speaker 3: on one call.
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  Speaker 2: It's painful to listen to it because for days we
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  Speaker 2: thought someone had kidnap Carlie Russell and was attacking her,
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  Speaker 2: raping her or killing her. We didn't know what the
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  Speaker 2: whole time. It was a big bat hoax. Oh well,
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  Speaker 2: listen to this. Carlie Russell found guilty and now listen
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  Speaker 2: to this. She's still walking free. I mean, see, Grace,
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  Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here
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  Speaker 2: at Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: And on serious x sem one eleven, the twenty five
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  Speaker 2: year old just convicted on two misdemeanor charges of lying
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  Speaker 2: to cops after she claims she saw a child a
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  Speaker 2: toddler on a highway and then claims she's abducted. Each
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  Speaker 2: one of those charges is a Class A misdemeanor and
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  Speaker 2: carries up to one year behind bars, but she didn't
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  Speaker 2: go behind bars. She is appealing the ruling to a
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  Speaker 2: circuit court. Well Carlie Russell twenty five snagged all the
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  Speaker 2: headlines when she went missing, and her nine mom on
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  Speaker 2: call was played over and over and over on every
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  Speaker 2: single news outlet you can imagine, and we certainly covered
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  Speaker 2: her disappearance on crime stories hoping to find her. She
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  Speaker 2: reported seeing this toddler by the side of the road
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  Speaker 2: and you can hear her getting out of the car
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  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, she disappears. She also
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  Speaker 2: called her brother's girlfriend claiming the same story about the
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  Speaker 2: toddler and.
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  Speaker 3: Screamed into the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Then she goes missing for two days in which her
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  Speaker 2: family was in excruciating pain.
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  Speaker 3: Wondering what had happened to her, only to.
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  Speaker 2: Emerge claiming a man with quote orange here kidnapped her,
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  Speaker 2: claiming she been kidnapped, and she spun quite an elaborate
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  Speaker 2: tell about how she escaped. Well several times to her freedom.
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  Speaker 2: A huge search ensued, her now ex boyfriend sharing all
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  Speaker 2: their loving photos of them together here, and they're begging,
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  Speaker 2: begging for help, complaining that.
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  Speaker 3: The media wasn't covering her disappearance the way.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted them to. M Well, they broke up, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess you can see why. How did this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing happen?
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  Speaker 4: Question is where was she for those forty nine hours?
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  Speaker 4: She said she stayed ends Hoover the entire time and
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  Speaker 4: no one helped her. So where was she for those
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  Speaker 4: forty nine hours?
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  Speaker 3: Where did she sleep? Where did she stay?
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  Speaker 4: How did she leave that area where she abandoned her
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  Speaker 4: red Mercedes Sedan.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at WVTM with me and all
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  Speaker 2: Star pal to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 2: But for those of you just joining us on the
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  Speaker 2: story of twenty five year old Carly Russell, who says
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  Speaker 2: that she is only trying to render a to a
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  Speaker 2: top boy walking along the interstate wearing.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing but a diaper and a shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Then she goes missing for forty nine hours, throwing her
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  Speaker 2: family and the Hoover PD into chaos as they search
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  Speaker 2: for her literally around the clock. People donating nearly seventy
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to help find her, one anonymous donor giving
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  Speaker 2: twenty five grand.
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  Speaker 3: They're not getting any of that money back.
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  Speaker 2: The boyfriend that defended her to the hilt has now
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  Speaker 2: broken up with her and says, quote, I'm disgusted.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I second that emotion. Guys, I want you.
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  Speaker 2: To hear what the chief of the Hoover PD has
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  Speaker 2: to say in our cup fifty four.
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  Speaker 5: Mister Anthony asked that I read the statement in its entirety,
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  Speaker 5: which I will do now. My client has given me
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  Speaker 5: permission to make the following statement on her behalf. There
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  Speaker 5: was no kidnapping on Thursday July nineteen thirteenth, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 5: My client did not see a baby on the side
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  Speaker 5: of the road. My client did not leave the hoovariant
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  Speaker 5: which who was identified as a missing person. My client
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  Speaker 5: did not have any hell in this incident. But this
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  Speaker 5: was a single act done by herself. My client was
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  Speaker 5: not with anyone but any hotel, with anyone from the
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  Speaker 5: time she was missing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand that that is Chief Nick Durvis
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  Speaker 2: from the Hoover PDE reading a statement of a lawyer
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  Speaker 2: who has been given a statement by Curly Russell. Woman,
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  Speaker 2: get out there and apologize yourself for Pete's sake. But
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing from Curly Russell, through her lawyer, through the chief.
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  Speaker 3: But I want you to hear this too.
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  Speaker 2: Now you hear the chief saying there was no baby,
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  Speaker 2: there was no one in danger.
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  Speaker 3: I was never missing.
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  Speaker 2: Now take a listen to our cut seven the nine
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  Speaker 2: to one one call. Listen to how Rich in detail, it.
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  Speaker 6: Is four for seventy one forty Its going to be
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  Speaker 6: forty nine south my Market ten. It's going to be
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  Speaker 6: a child walking on the three four year old child
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  Speaker 6: walking on the side of the interstate thanks to our
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  Speaker 6: piece for me close mind the red Stadi Sedayan with
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  Speaker 6: the hazards on. Child's gonna be a white male wearing
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  Speaker 6: a white T shirt and a diaper for from fifth
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  Speaker 6: for forty two RBS advising there's no cars in the area.
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  Speaker 6: Let's how the child's been abandoned.
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  Speaker 7: On the side of the ridge for.
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  Speaker 6: A little home. Negative. But she's saying that she would
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  Speaker 6: stand by for police. Forty two call RP back, she's
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  Speaker 6: not their vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: Now remember police got to the scene in about four
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  Speaker 2: minutes after that.
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  Speaker 3: Nine moment call.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's listen to Carl Russell in her own words
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  Speaker 2: the detail I was mentioning earlier in our cut thirteen.
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  Speaker 8: Now one one?
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  Speaker 9: Where's your records?
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  Speaker 8: Same?
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  Speaker 9: Hi?
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  Speaker 3: I am on Interstate four fifty.
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  Speaker 10: Nine, and there is a key just walking.
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  Speaker 3: By their selves.
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  Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on?
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  Speaker 10: Where where i'm fourteen?
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  Speaker 9: Are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm right next to the exit exit team.
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  Speaker 10: By the cover mint like to get off by the
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  Speaker 10: hooper mit. Okay, so here before that exit?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? And where you're headed southbound or northbound toward.
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  Speaker 10: Towards to eighty tots Tuscalusave.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: And what's the child on the left or right side.
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  Speaker 3: On the right side where they walk on.
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  Speaker 6: Northbound or mouth down?
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  Speaker 10: They're walking towards Tuscalusave walking southbound?
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  Speaker 3: Did you hear that detail? There's some more. Listen to
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  Speaker 3: cup fourteen or how old did they look like?
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  Speaker 12: The toddlers like maybe like three or four?
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  Speaker 10: Did you pull over with them?
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  Speaker 3: Are you still with them?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: Are you with the child right now?
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  Speaker 7: No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't get out of the car.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just I can see them though.
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  Speaker 10: Can you do you mind staying and keep an eye
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  Speaker 10: on them until we get there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: What kind of car are you in?
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  Speaker 10: I'm in a red Mercedes Ben and the a Saedana.
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  Speaker 9: Or SCV suv.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's a sedan start.
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  Speaker 10: Can you put your hazards off for me? Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 10: only Okay. Did you talk to the child on or
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  Speaker 10: did you say anything to know?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 10: Do they look like they're injured?
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  Speaker 6: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 2: I love listening to this I woman call because I
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  Speaker 2: know every word she says is a big fat lie.
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  Speaker 2: And can you imagine her in her red Mercedes at
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  Speaker 2: night conjuring up this lie and it's intricate detail.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to more Cut fifteen.
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  Speaker 9: Are they wife like.
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  Speaker 3: A shank or angel? They're white?
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  Speaker 11: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: As a male or female? I think it's a boy,
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  Speaker 10: a little boy. I'm right now. Okay. If you wearing clothes, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 10: I want if you're wearing it's.
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  Speaker 9: A white T shirt.
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  Speaker 12: And it doesn't look like he has any pants on.
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  Speaker 13: It looks like a diaper.
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  Speaker 10: And you don't see any cars anywhere?
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  Speaker 3: No, no cars anywhere? Okay, all right, what's your name?
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  Speaker 10: My name is Carli Russells.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't see any injuries on the shop from
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  Speaker 3: where you're at.
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  Speaker 10: Correct, No, no, but I can't really see them that good.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, try to keep an eye on them for the
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  Speaker 14: best we can, because I don't want your loose shack
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  Speaker 14: of them.
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  Speaker 3: And do they have shoes on?
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  Speaker 7: No, not that I can be. I can't really see
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  Speaker 7: that work.
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  Speaker 10: All right, I've got them on the way, okay, just
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  Speaker 10: try to say, keep it eye on them.
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  Speaker 6: But the offsters are on the way, okay.
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  Speaker 3: They think, man, she's such a good samaritan.
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  Speaker 2: A good samaritan that costs the taxpayers that's US about
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  Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars and costs well wishers and those
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  Speaker 2: who want to help nearly seventy thousand dollars in donations
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  Speaker 2: that they're not going to get back.
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  Speaker 3: With me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But can I first go to Cheryl McCollum, founder director
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  Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of Zone seven,
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  Speaker 2: a Hitting You podcast, and you can find her at
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  Speaker 2: Coldcasecrimes dot org.
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  Speaker 3: Cheryl. Really, he's wearing nothing but a diaper and I
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  Speaker 3: can't tell if he has on any shoes.
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  Speaker 2: And he's a white male about three or four years old,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so worried. I'm so worried that I'm not
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  Speaker 2: getting out of my car, of course, but I am worried,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to follow him for six hundred yards
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  Speaker 2: in my car, that six football fields as I try.
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  Speaker 3: Boy, that little tot should.
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  Speaker 2: Be in the Olympics if it can go that fast
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  Speaker 2: and nothing but a diaper and barefoot. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: story reaped on day one. That's why I didn't cover
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  Speaker 2: it exactly on day one, because it was a lie.
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  Speaker 2: He was obviously a lie. And we have actual people
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  Speaker 2: that are really missing, being raped, being sex traffick, being killed.
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  Speaker 2: And here's this girl making up a whole big deal
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  Speaker 2: because what I just want somebody to love me.
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  Speaker 3: Really get online, woman, there are millions of people out
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  Speaker 3: there that will love you. But why do this? What
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  Speaker 3: about this statement on nine one one?
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  Speaker 12: You make excellent points, But let's hope for a second
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  Speaker 12: about what. We don't hear her say. We don't hear
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  Speaker 12: her say please hurry, We don't hear her say help.
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  Speaker 12: We don't hear her say I'm going to go out
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  Speaker 12: and try to save him so that he doesn't get
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  Speaker 12: into the expressway. She's just in her car, chilling, and
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  Speaker 12: she's only answering questions. She didn't offer the description. She
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  Speaker 12: didn't offer that he wasn't hurt. She didn't offer she
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  Speaker 12: was asked those things. The only truthful statement she says
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  Speaker 12: in the whole thing when she says, yeah, I can't
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  Speaker 12: really see that's the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now we're just trying to figure out what really
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  Speaker 2: happened during those days. And I've got a pretty good
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  Speaker 2: idea that she was holed up in something akin to
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  Speaker 2: a red roof in And I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: Guys say, to listen to our cut sixteen.
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  Speaker 8: Four unclassified complaints fourteen to sixty six Montgomery Highway at
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  Speaker 8: the red roofs and the front office for callers family
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  Speaker 8: members at this location and saying they received a call
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  Speaker 8: from the female that's missing Carl Russell te fifty four.
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  Speaker 8: Family members are saying they received a call from the
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  Speaker 8: female thing she without this location.
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  Speaker 7: Something born around six and the responding units. I just
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  Speaker 7: spoke with the front desk clothes. They said that the
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  Speaker 7: family is not being offs hour or anything like that,
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  Speaker 7: but that there was about six car loads of people
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  Speaker 7: that have just shown up over the.
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  Speaker 6: Five four coffee to the front desk, you have anybody
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  Speaker 6: checked in under that name.
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  Speaker 7: Native and according to the front desk, the message that
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  Speaker 7: the family guy did not state which red roof in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know this.
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  Speaker 2: This is fourteen sixty six Montgomery Highway at the red
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  Speaker 2: roof end. That's where the family went and nobody was
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  Speaker 2: checked in under that name, which gives me a very
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  Speaker 2: strong indication that she was checked in there.
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  Speaker 3: What ordering room service and watching pay per view under
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  Speaker 3: the name.
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  Speaker 2: We've been given one name. I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 2: correct or not, Shanquella Bronx.
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  Speaker 3: Is that real? Is that what she was doing while
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  Speaker 3: people were scouring the highways.
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  Speaker 2: And the woods and the ravines for her and some
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  Speaker 2: toatboy time stories with Nancy Grace, Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 2: Curly Russell, the kidnapped faker. She's right up there with
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Smollett. Remember Smollett claiming he was attacked the star
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  Speaker 2: of Empire making all that money, young attractive star, a
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  Speaker 2: TV star, still wasn't happy. Now this woman makes the
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  Speaker 2: same headlines. She was working at a very upscale spa.
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I went to that location
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  Speaker 2: to examine where she had been working and where she
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  Speaker 2: claimed she saw the tot the whole thing long story short.
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  Speaker 2: Hoover Police has revealed the spa therapist incriminating Google search history,
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  Speaker 2: including things like do you have to pay for an Amberlert?
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  Speaker 2: And research on the movie Taken the Way this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing happened. Savannah Sap multimedia journalist reporter WAFF forty eight
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  Speaker 2: in Bama. You can find her on Twitter at Savannah
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  Speaker 2: sap sapp Savannah what and the Hey? If this girl
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  Speaker 2: is snugged up and a king sized bed with ac
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  Speaker 2: on low, ordering room service and watching pay per view
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  Speaker 2: while everyone is tearing their hair out trying to find her.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do a backflip. A backflip, Savannah Sep.
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  Speaker 3: What do we know?
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  Speaker 10: It's it's honestly confusing to say the least. You know,
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  Speaker 10: her statement that was written to an attorney and given
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  Speaker 10: to police through the attorney claims that she was not
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  Speaker 10: at a hotel. But you have all of these people
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  Speaker 10: who are commenting against that, and you have screenshots of
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  Speaker 10: you know, family members and friends of hers texting each
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  Speaker 10: other saying yes, she was absolutely at a red roof
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  Speaker 10: in you know, it's again, it's confusing to say the least,
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  Speaker 10: and if she was hold up at a red roof
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  Speaker 10: in while you know hundreds of thousands of people are
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  Speaker 10: wondering where she is, if she's even alive. I think
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  Speaker 10: that says a lot about the testament of her characure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, you can't go to jail for telling
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  Speaker 2: a lie unless you're under oath. And I was just
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  Speaker 2: pointing out this morning about thirty minutes ago.
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  Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong. Shell Nut with me.
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  Speaker 2: James shell nutt high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction
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  Speaker 2: in Alabama with the shell Nut Law firm.
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  Speaker 3: But listen to this twenty seven years metro major case.
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  Speaker 3: As a cop, including Swatt, that's not easy.
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  Speaker 2: Former prosecutor, he actually prosecuted false report cases. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: I had so many felonies coming on my ears. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even bother with the lies and the.
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  Speaker 3: False report shell Nut.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm glad to know that I've got an expert
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  Speaker 2: that did do it. You know what, that reminds me
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  Speaker 2: of shell Nut dui cases. I never handled straight out
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  Speaker 2: dui cases. By the time I got them, somebody was dead.
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  Speaker 2: It was a habitual violin or where you have five
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  Speaker 2: or more DUIs there have been a vehicular homicide. That's
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  Speaker 2: when I would get a DUI. I wouldn't get a
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  Speaker 2: flat out plane old misdemeanor d UI.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, there's an art to proving a DUI.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to know all the ins and outs of
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  Speaker 2: blood alcohol, the rights whether you take a breathalyzer or
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  Speaker 2: don't take a breath. I mean, it's actually very complicated
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  Speaker 2: to get all those hoops, and defendants can win if
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  Speaker 2: the prosecutor doesn't know all the ins and outs of
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  Speaker 2: prosecuting a DUI. Same thing with a false report, Isn't
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  Speaker 2: it true? Show nut that at the bottom of every
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  Speaker 2: police report there are words to the effect I swear
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  Speaker 2: and a test under penalty of perjury that all the
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  Speaker 2: information that I have given is true. Isn't that at
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of every police report form?
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  Speaker 15: Oh?
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  Speaker 16: It absolutely is. And it's because you are about to
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  Speaker 16: alert law enforcement to a situation that you know that
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  Speaker 16: they are going to spend time and resources investigating. And
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  Speaker 16: it gives you an opportunity to think twice about what
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  Speaker 16: you just said.
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  Speaker 3: It's perjury. Perjury is a crime.
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  Speaker 2: Now I want to point out that Carly Russell is
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  Speaker 2: being handled with kid gloves. Other people in her situation
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  Speaker 2: have gone to jail for this. Think about Jesse Smollette,
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  Speaker 2: Sherry Peppini, Jennifer Wilbanks.
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  Speaker 3: It's so called runaway bride Chloe Stein.
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  Speaker 2: But you know another thing when it comes to those cases,
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  Speaker 2: those people always had a culprit. Carly Russell has a
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  Speaker 2: white guy with orange hair and a ball spot, and
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  Speaker 2: a woman she never saw, and a baby crying in
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  Speaker 2: the background that fed her cheese its and played with
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  Speaker 2: her hair. The woman said that she said about the woman.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of her story. Smolett blamed, didn't he say
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  Speaker 2: white guys wearing maga hats?
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: When it turned out to be the two Ousendaro brothers
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: his friends.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Let's see.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Sherry Pepini blamed two unidentified Hispanic women, and she proceeded
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to starve and brand herself and beat herself up and
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: snug up with her boyfriend for I've forgotten how many
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: weeks and showed up much like Carly Russell on foot
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day. Let's see where am I? There's small Wilbanks.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Willelbanks, the runaway bride. She blamed a guess basically
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: a group of Hispanic males that kidnapped her, assaulted her
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: on the eve of her wedding. And then we've got
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Chloe Stein. She didn't want her family to know she
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to graduate from college, so she faked an abduction.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Who does she blame, Sidney, You got to blame somebody,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the evil.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Person that was responsible for your dilemma.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And in this case, Carly Russell is blaming again a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: white guy with orange hair. So let me understand this.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: To Mike cattel Joining, US President, founder of Peace River
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Canine Search and Rescue at p r s R dot org,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: how much money would a search like this?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: First? Describe the search because they really pulled.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Out all the stops, what all was done to find Carly,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Mike Cattle.
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: They're going to pull every resource they can get on
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: the resource list in the area into that search that
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: they can get because this is a high probability search,
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: meaning when you have an abduction or you have a
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: predatory abduction and that person is missing or there's a
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: child involved, the survivability rate of the victim is less
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: than six hours. So we have a time clock where
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: we're trying to get the victim before the perpetrator either
• 19:51
  Speaker 11: traffics them out of the area or kills them, and
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: so every all hands are on deck at this point,
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: everybody's coming in. So minimum cost on this is going
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: to start at half a million dollars and go up
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: because of all the resources that are there. When I
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: was watching the video on TV, I saw this line
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: of law enforcement vehicles that just went on and on
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: and on, and you've got helicopters overhead, You've got people
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: coming in on overtime. They're calling everybody in that's off,
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: and they're they're pounding the ground. They're going to all
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: the hotels in the area, all the stores in the area.
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: They're they're canvassing the entire area. That takes law enforcement
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: personnel and there everybody's there, everybody's out, and so it's very,
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: very expensive for these types of searches.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It looks like the kidnapped faker from Alabama, Carly Russell,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: just a beautiful young girl, oh my goodness, claims she
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: disappears and was abducted after seeing a tat alongside of
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the I four fifty nine South area near who Over
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: High School. Now this woman, she had everything going for her,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: just stunning vivacious, loving family, this Crawly Russell, and then
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: she's thrown it all away by this big hoax. Karen
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Starry joining me, renowned psychologist out of Manhattan, trauma and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: crime expert. You can find her at karenstart dot com.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: That's Karen with a Sea. Karen, thank you for being
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: with us. You know many people are saying, oh, we
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: should feel sorry for her.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I do that she.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Would have to go to this link to try to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: get attention, and if she is having some sort of
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: dilemma or depression or sadness, that is not a legal defense.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And I want to point out to you, Karen start
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: before you answer. She may be crazy like a fox
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: because she outwitted everybody, her family, her boyfriend that stayed
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: by her, police searchers, people that donated nearly seventy grand
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to help find her.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: So I wouldn't call that crazy, Karen Start.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: Well, it's not legally crazy, like you said, Nancy, because
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: she does know the difference between right and wrong. That
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: seems really care to me, because she was able to
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: plot everything out, you know, come up with this elaborate
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: story then show up. I mean, she really when you
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: listen to her, though, you can see that there's something wrong.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: She does have some kind of psychopathology because she's making
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: this elaborate story up and it's really so rich in detail.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: She's a victim.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: And the thing about being a victim, I mean when
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: you look at her text from before and the things
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: that she said, they were inconsistent, they were really very
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: self hittying. And here she is now coming up with
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: a story where everyone is going to look first for
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: a baby and then for her. So there is pathology there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: But does she know the difference between right and wrong?
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: Should we hope her responsible that part? I think legally yes, absolutely, Guys.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut to our friends at
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Fox ten.
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: What happened to Carly Russell Hoover pet says On Thursday,
• 23:14
  Speaker 13: Russell called nine to one one claiming she saw a
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: little boy walking on the side of I four fifty
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  Speaker 13: nine in a diaper.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: That was a toddler three four year old, wearing a
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: flight T shirt and a diper.
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: According to police, Carly then called a relative to tell
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: them she was going to get out and check on
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: the baby.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: The relative says.
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: She heard Carly scream and then nothing but sounds from
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: the interstate.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So I want you to take into account the level
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of detail in her nine on one call, but also
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: she said the same lie to her own family. Listen
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to cut three fox ten, just of.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Ours, her vehicles on log running, all our personal belongs,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: you could set for her phone.
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: When police got there, Carly was gone, herms me sades
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: still running. Friends, family, and strangers on the internet did
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: their part to find her, and then perhaps a clue.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: Saturday night, Montgomery Highway at the red roofs and family
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: members at a flcation and saying they received a call
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: from the female that's missing Carly Russell.
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: Family members say they showed up to knock on doors
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: and find her, but she wasn't there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Police have used every synonym for a lie. They're saying
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: things like, we can't corroborate, we can't confirm, no evidence
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of so forth and so on.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I had nauseum. But what it boils down to.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Is this woman lied, sent police and volunteers on a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: wild goose chase to the tune of at least a
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: quarter of a million dollars, while we think she was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: shocked up somewhere enjoying the attention vicariously that she was
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Receiving with Me Again, an all star panel to make
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: sense of what we know right now with me Lee Reeber,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: device forensic expert, CEO of Oxygen Forensics, Inc.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: An author of mobile.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Forensics investigations, also hosts a podcast, Forensic Happy Hour.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Lee.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I believe since her cell phone was left behind, she
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: may have had another phone. So how do we go
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: about tracking what she was doing in order to make
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a case of perjury.
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, it always comes down to you, right
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: is your digital life?
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: If you look at all of.
• 25:32
  Speaker 15: The cases where it turns out that they have been lying,
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: it comes down to you know, law enforcement just looking
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: at that digital life. And the interesting thing about this
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: or is in hohover Allabana is the NCFI, which is
• 25:48
  Speaker 15: a National Computer Forensic Institute, one of the one of
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: the best places to go to learn how to collect
• 25:55
  Speaker 15: digital data. So it's probably the wrong place that you're
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: going to be lying over your social media, if you're
• 26:01
  Speaker 15: going to be utilizing your phone, or if you have
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: another phone, because quite honestly, they're going to be able
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: to review your digital life. They're going to find and
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: locate you if you're using another device, if you're just
• 26:14
  Speaker 15: in the area, so again trying to utilize social media.
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: Even prior to this, they had that timeline. Once they
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: had a timeline, I'm sure that they assumes that came out.
• 26:29
  Speaker 15: They had the information that she was not telling the.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Truth, not telling the truth.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I guess that's one way of putting it. Guys, It's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: happened many times before. Take a listen to our friends
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: at WZTM and cut fifty nine B.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Brother Eric Guster says he worries this case could affect
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: future missing person's cases.
• 26:49
  Speaker 17: Is going to be much more difficult for African American
• 26:52
  Speaker 17: women to be believed, and it may actually decrease the
• 26:56
  Speaker 17: number of actual reports of things because people are already
• 26:59
  Speaker 17: afraid that they won't be believed.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Auguster says, the police chief outlined three crimes that they
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: believe Carly has committed. That's that's lying to authorities and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: filing a false police report.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: We all remember the case of Jesse Smollette.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Take a listen to this like a star on the show.
• 27:19
  Speaker 18: Police body camera video shows the moment officers first arrived
• 27:23
  Speaker 18: at Jesse Smollette's apartment after the actor claimed he'd been attacked.
• 27:27
  Speaker 18: Smolette still has what appears to be a noose around
• 27:30
  Speaker 18: his neck.
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: You want to take it off for anything.
• 27:34
  Speaker 18: Smolette told police he was assaulted by two masked men
• 27:37
  Speaker 18: yelling racist and homophobic slurs. For more than three weeks.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: At least twenty four.
• 27:45
  Speaker 18: Detectives searched for the two men and investigated Smollette's claims.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Guys, we're talking about Jesse Smollette. He ended up paying
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: about one hundred and twenty thousand dollars of restitution. He
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: got a fifteen days behind bars for filing a false
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: report to Cheryl McCollum, what exactly went into the search
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: for Carly Russell.
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: They had air helicopter land, they had people on foot,
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: they had canines, They had her cell phone being looked at.
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: They were interviewing family, friends and co workers. They pulled
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: everybody off, you know, having days off. This was a
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: full court press. Every available person, including citizens that came
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: to volunteer.
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: Nancy.
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: She had the SBI, the Secret Service, Hoover Police, Alabama
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: State Police, she had you and Crime Online, she had
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: the Today Show. Think of the resources that were given
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: to her. And every homicide, true missing person, child on station,
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: aggravated assault, domestic violence, they were all put on hold
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: to search for her because they believed time was of
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: the essence. But I want to say something very clearly,
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: she didn't fool everybody. Because you and I were talking
• 29:12
  Speaker 12: Saturday and Sundays. We knew it was bogus.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: On tay one because it didn't add up. I mean,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the story didn't make any sense.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: How many times did you and I.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Look at that video scouring it, blowing it up, playing
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: in a slow moke. There was no boy walking along
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the side of the interstate.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: That was all a big.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Light Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I know Carli Russell's parents must be mortified. They're upstanding.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Her mother's realtor, her father is a at a bank.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: They live in a nearly million dollar home, both holding
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: down steady jobs. They never missed a day work. Then
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: up to ups this daughter and fakes kidnapping the judge
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: ordering restitution for all the man hours she sucked up
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: while we were all looking for her, specifically police forces
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and beyond. But so far she's managed to dodge jail. Why.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: It's a complicated legal issue. Let me tell you.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Following her confession through her lawyer, Emery Anthony, many people assume, well, Hey,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: she confessed. I guess she's going to plead guilty, but huh, surprised.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: She pled not guilty to the two misdemeanor charges about
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: lying to police about being kidnapped and seeing a child
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on the interstate. Well after her not guilty plea, the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: judge made a procedural decision to find her guilty based
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: on the stipulation for appeal.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Now what does that mean?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: You cannot appeal a case unless you've been found guilty.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: If you're found not guilty, then the case is over.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So this lawyer, Emery Anthony, announces he's going to appeal
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the case. So therefore the judge says, okay, I adjudicate
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: you guilty.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Have at it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So what the lawyer says is we stipulated an appeal
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and the reasoning is that the state's asking for jail
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: time and we disagree with that. So we're going to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: appeal this to the Bessemer Circuit Court that is one
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: court higher than the judge. The judge also recommended and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Russell spend one year in jail, six months on each charge,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and pay seventeen hundred dollars in fines. The City of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Hoover also requesting around eighteen thousand in restitution. Now, the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: defense lawyer found the fines to be fair, but he
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: drew the line at jail time. He doesn't think that's fair.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So they're taking this up on appeal. What does that mean.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It looks like there may be a jury trial ahead
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of us.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Karen Stark Narcissism explained.
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean that's somebody who is so.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Involved with themselves, so much above the law that they
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: could go to that kind of extent to make sure
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: that people see them as a victim and worry about them.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: And that's attention to speed on what's going on. It
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: makes them really feel loved and wanted.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I mean the moment I heard the story heard about
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: her disappearance, we immediately put it as the lead at
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: crimeonline dot Com and put it out on social media
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: over and over and over to get attention and get
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the tip line out there for people to help find Carly.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We contacted people in Alabama involved in the search to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: try to find out what was happening and how we
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: could help. All the whiles, Cheryl McCollum, there are real
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: victims of real crimes that need our help. I'm not
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: as worried about the media, but I'm more worried about people.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I remember working long nights, weekends on Easter on Thanksgiving,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: on my so called vacation with my family, working cases,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: working working. If I found out later that the victim
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: was lying, I would be so deflated.
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: Nancy again, the resources that she took from actual victims
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: is astonishing. But I tell you what, they need to
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: be concerned about.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Who's next.
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: If you do not send a message that we are
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: not going to put up with hoaxes and lies and
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: outright premeditated crime, then what are we doing in the DAR?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: You know, just want people to understand what a search
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: like this entails.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Mud, rain, dirt, long hours, twenty four to seven, looking worried,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: dealing with the victims family who are all distraught. I mean,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: can you imagine if you thought your child was missing.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Mike Hassel, You've been through it all. Mike Castle, President
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: founder Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Explain the blood,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: sweat and tears it goes into a search like this.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: Well, the one factor nobody's talking about is the incredible
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: heat that we're dealing with this year. And I just
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: came off a search where we were out last night
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: and the heat injuries were unreal. We lose four or
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: five people going down from meat exhausted and heat stroke.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: And the dogs are crapping out after thirty minutes because
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: they're just cooked. And there's a lot of resources that
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: go into having to keep the people up. You can
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: get a searcher out there that can work for an hour,
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: maybe maybe an hour and a half if you're lucky,
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: but then they're down for two hours because they got
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: to cool off and get raid. The same thing with
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: the dogs. You can get him for twenty minutes and
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: then Zaga has to rest for fifty minutes because he's
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: got a cool down before and go back out. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: there's a lot of injuries involved here, snakes and vines
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: and you know all kinds of stuff that goes on that,
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: and especially for volunteers, because you know we volunteer. We
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: go out, we help a law enforcement on these searches,
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: but we have to cover our own expenses and we
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: have to cover our own health insurance. So we get injured,
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: it's on us.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Then there is a Chloe Steine and I bring her
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: up because she's about the same age as Carly Russell.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: She faked in her own abduction. Who does she blame?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: A fake cop? I guess she was running out of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: people to blame. I want you to take a listen
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to our cut thirty seven. Our friends from WTAA regarding
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Chloe Stein say.
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: Police say she created an entire scenario to make people
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: think she had been abducted by someone posing as a
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: police officer on our way home from work Monday night.
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: That set off a massive search effort Yesterday afternoon, police ask,
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: admitting the entire ordeal costing thousands, if not tens of
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: thousands of dollars.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Stein was found not.
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: Far from her home yesterday evening. Police say at first
• 36:08
  Speaker 14: she told them she was abducted, held at gunpoint, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: then released eventually. Court documents they client admitted to never
• 36:15
  Speaker 14: being in danger and making the whole thing up.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think I really did, Cherry Peppini Justice. Take
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: a listen to cut twenty seven GMA.
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty
• 36:25
  Speaker 19: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a
• 36:29
  Speaker 19: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a trucker,
• 36:32
  Speaker 19: stopping and calling nine one one for her. That call
• 36:35
  Speaker 19: heard for the first time this morning.
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: What's turning? We're you're chained up?
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: She's chained up.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I really don't know how Matt Gutman and our friend
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: from ABC kept a straight face on this.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Take a listener cut forty.
• 36:54
  Speaker 19: It wasn't until more than three years later that trace
• 36:57
  Speaker 19: DNA found on Peppini led to this mystery man ex
• 37:01
  Speaker 19: boyfriend James Reyes, who admitted he helped Peppenie inflict those
• 37:05
  Speaker 19: injuries on herself.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: So there's a brand on her.
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah, there's significant bruising and she did a lot of that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: He pluse she was here. I mean she just hit
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: herself with something I altered. I mean I didn't pinch
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: her anything helped. You just shot the buck off her, lady.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: The extremes that Peppinie went to to fake her abduction.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: But how are we going to figure out the truth here?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: How are we going to determine what happened to Carly
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Russell during those days that she was missing and we
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: were all doing summersaults to help find her. You know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: to you, Lee Reebert, what's the best way of finding
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: out where Carly Russell was during those forty nine hours.
• 37:50
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the important thing if we look at
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: the teeny case, they got a lot of the leads
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: from call records, right they found out that she was
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: calling some or some boyfriends, and I think in this
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: case too, it might come down to it. I'm sure
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: that they're still going over phone records. We had this
• 38:08
  Speaker 15: whole red mouth in who did she call? You know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: did she call someone, whether there additional people. They're going
• 38:15
  Speaker 15: to look at the the phones or the family members
• 38:17
  Speaker 15: of boyfriends. I look at those records to see if
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: any phone numbers from a red rop in or unknown
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: number had come in. So I think they're still going
• 38:26
  Speaker 15: to be some investigation into that, and I believe, you know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 15: I would think that they're going to bring someone else
• 38:33
  Speaker 15: in that had knowledge for discipplant. You know.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Another issue, Cheryl McCollum joining us from Zone seven podcast. Cheryl,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: there have been allegations that she had sent messages while
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: she was missing to the boyfriend.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I believe that because the boyfriend was so distraught and
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I think he was genuine trying to find her. If
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: he was getting messages from her, that would indicate he
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: knew she was alive.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But we've seen very often people use cell phones right
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: as if there's someone else texting potentially her abductor texting
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: family or friends, taunting them about what could happen to her.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to find a digital trail. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: think we're going to find a food trail, and I
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: think we're going to find eyewitnesses.
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: I don't think the police are done with anybody. I
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: think they're going to keep interviewing people. He keeps putting
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: statements out. The first statement that he ever put out
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: seemed a little self serving. It was more about him
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: than it was her. Again, I don't think he showed
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: any real fear. He was thanking teammates and telling everybody
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: he's doing this for her and she would do the same.
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: He's put out another statement where he's using words like us,
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: we and with so. Again, the police are going to
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: keep talking to people, whether it's her cousin, her good friends,
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: or her ex boyfriend. Did she have any help and
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: did anybody know that this was a hope before she
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: came clean?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Carly Russell, the twenty five year old, just convicted on
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: two misdemeanor charges of lying to cops after she claims
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: she saw a child a toddler on a highway and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: then claims she's abducted. She didn't go behind bars. She
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: is appealing the ruling to a circuit court, but for
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: right now, the kidnap faker is still walking free.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye for