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A24's Directors Under 2024: Class of 2024 · Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists.
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  Speaker 1: This week on the show, we welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: A twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Each new year brings in new directing talent, and this
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  Speaker 4: year we're sitting down with the A twenty four under
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  Speaker 4: twenty four class of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 5: A twenty four uses a very specific type of filmmaker,
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  Speaker 5: usually young, very ambitious, very excited to make not only
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  Speaker 5: a risky, exciting type of movie, but also a movie
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  Speaker 5: that requires a lot more experience than they usually have.
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  Speaker 6: So sit back, put your glasses on, and settle in.
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  Speaker 6: This is A twenty four under twenty four class of
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  Speaker 6: twenty four. Let's listen in unbelievable. Absolutely, I'm I you know,
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  Speaker 6: for me, I guess I'm feeling gobsmacked that I would
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  Speaker 6: even get the opportunity to sit down with you guys
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  Speaker 6: and see you face to face, because I've seen your work,
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  Speaker 6: and I've been watching your work for a really long time,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm just so excited and enthralled to sit down
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  Speaker 6: and you know, learn a little bit more about your
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  Speaker 6: process and what drives you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, I agree. I don't want to cut
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  Speaker 5: you off, but I just realized I haven't acknowledged the
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  Speaker 5: artists that are in this room filming us right now.
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  Speaker 5: So I just want to think, absolutely, cameraman right here,
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  Speaker 5: thank you so much. You're a G. You're a G.
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  Speaker 5: I want to think, this other camera person over here,
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  Speaker 5: you're an absolute G. And you're a legend.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, and the grip, she's a shi G. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was incredible.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm I'm very grateful to the women in the
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  Speaker 4: space as well, and it's so wonderful to be here too.
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  Speaker 4: And I do want to agree you took the words
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  Speaker 4: right out of my mouth. Gobsmacked and enthralled were exactly
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  Speaker 4: the emotions that I felt walking into space.
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  Speaker 5: I felt those exact same words. I feel well. I
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  Speaker 5: remember thinking, Wow, I'm gob smacked, and then I remember
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  Speaker 5: thinking I'm enthralled.
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  Speaker 6: It's the combination. It's it's being hitting the gob.
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  Speaker 5: I've been smacked right in the gob for this, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm just so grateful to be here. It's it's really
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  Speaker 5: really cool and thrilling. And at the same time it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't mean anything right because I don't care. I don't
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  Speaker 5: care about this kind of stuff. This isn't why I'm here.
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  Speaker 3: But this isn't why we do it.
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  Speaker 6: It's wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 6: For me, I feel like I think, before we get started,
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  Speaker 6: I just want to go around and say thank you guys,
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  Speaker 6: because I guess for me, what I've been realizing is
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  Speaker 6: how difficult art is. You know, when they say this
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  Speaker 6: business it's difficult, they're really not talking about how difficult
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  Speaker 6: it is to get a movie finance, because that was
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  Speaker 6: pretty easy for us. They're actually talking about how difficult
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  Speaker 6: it is to venture within and come back from the
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  Speaker 6: journey with goods.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, that's always been my struggle. You know.
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  Speaker 5: Finding five million dollars to make a project, yeah, not
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  Speaker 5: a problem, But knowing what that project is before I
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  Speaker 5: make it. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 6: That I'm so like that I like, I have ten mil.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. If anyone can to be.
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  Speaker 1: An anti filmmaker is to learn how to finance your films.
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  Speaker 1: And I think financiers and young directors we are we
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  Speaker 1: are the new like I would say, like, we're the
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  Speaker 1: new collaboration between Like I think back in the day
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  Speaker 1: you would do like the screenwriter and maybe the director,
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  Speaker 1: and now it is the director who is also the screenwriter.
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  Speaker 1: And we are partnering with financiers to see what they
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  Speaker 1: want on the screens, because these studios have a mind
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  Speaker 1: of their own and we look for distribution after right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's and we're so blessed by A twenty four
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  Speaker 1: to be given that stamp of approval by such a
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  Speaker 1: good studio. But that isn't always the case with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of filmmakers.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, maybe we should go around and say the films
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  Speaker 6: that were coming.
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  Speaker 1: Out of course, Hi, I'm I'm Brittle Jones, and I
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  Speaker 1: am and I am the writer director of Can of Stuff.
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  Speaker 6: It's just so beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, And I wanted to acknowledge the
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  Speaker 4: films in the space. Can of Stuff is, of course
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  Speaker 4: such an incredible work. And I also want would be
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  Speaker 4: remiss if I didn't compliment your previous work. Brittle Jones's
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  Speaker 4: diary amazing.
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  Speaker 2: That was like I'd say, it's my lady, so funny.
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  Speaker 1: First, well, I got me on the mark on the map,
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  Speaker 1: and then on the mark if you would's so irreverent.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You took this product that had already been made, Rene
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  Speaker 5: Aliger film based on a book, and you talked about
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  Speaker 5: how it made you feel your whole life because your
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  Speaker 5: name was similar to it, and it was so irreverent
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  Speaker 5: and tongue in cheeking. You talk directly to the camera
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  Speaker 5: and you talked directly to the audience.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, such a good short film, Such a good
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  Speaker 6: short film. It started as a short film, and it's
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  Speaker 6: just kind of you kind of going hi, I'm Brittle Jones,
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  Speaker 6: almost like a documentary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do want to say, like it was
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  Speaker 1: funny because we had done it a long time, a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago, and I did address camera straight on
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  Speaker 1: before or flee back, and that is something I like
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  Speaker 1: to say.
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  Speaker 5: You say it in the film. You say it in
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  Speaker 5: the film as well.
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  Speaker 6: You say you say this was before I shot this
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  Speaker 6: before flea back.
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  Speaker 2: Say that was the first time anyone's ever telling this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, pop in kind of green screen style. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm very grateful for the people at south By
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  Speaker 1: for recognizing that film.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't get in, but they did recognize it.
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  Speaker 2: No, they recognized it.
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  Speaker 5: And I loved when. I I love when because I
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  Speaker 5: you posted a video of you showing a poster to
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  Speaker 5: somebody who worked for the selection committee and they said,
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  Speaker 5: oh I remember that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm so grateful for the people at South
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  Speaker 1: Bay for recognizing, Yeah, Bridget Jones, Brittle Jones is diary.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of what jumped me off, because I
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  Speaker 1: walked into rooms with the scripts for Can of Stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I've been recognized by South Bye,
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  Speaker 1: I've been recognized by so many filmmakers on Hollywood Boulevard.
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  Speaker 2: I have been recognized in Echel Park by so many people.
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  Speaker 1: So I was just so grateful, so grateful, full of gratitude, and.
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  Speaker 3: I would say the no, go ahead, Okay, I will.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to commend you as a filmmaker because
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  Speaker 4: to find out so late on, and I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to give any spoilers, but the twist that the stuff
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  Speaker 4: was indeed just beans when you think it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be more than that, and we spend this whole movie
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  Speaker 4: thinking what is going to be the stuff?
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  Speaker 3: What is the stuff?
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  Speaker 6: What is the stuff?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What is life? If it's not just beans?
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  Speaker 5: Canna beans? I mean, open up a real can of beans.
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  Speaker 5: You know that's not a phrase, but if I were
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  Speaker 5: to say it like that, it sounds like it is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 4: If you were to say it that way. It does
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  Speaker 4: sound like a phrase.
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  Speaker 5: And I wanted to say too, like I love so
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  Speaker 5: much that you you know, you don't know it's beans
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  Speaker 5: until you know it's beans at the end. But what
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  Speaker 5: you do is there is that you I think this
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  Speaker 5: is an maybe intentional, It is an intentional it's an
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  Speaker 5: homage to pull fiction whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You're about to ask if it was intentional. Yeah, every
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  Speaker 2: time they open up the can for everyone up this round.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, every time they open up the can, it's it's
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  Speaker 5: not a gold light. It is a brown light showing
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  Speaker 5: on people's face when they look in the can. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because beans are brown and pulp fiction did that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and yeah, so I'm so grateful.
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  Speaker 2: We can talk more about it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it is about a can of beans, but
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  Speaker 1: it's also about like the way the history of blinds
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  Speaker 1: and the blinds that we hang in our house.
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  Speaker 3: And vertical blinds even because.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much there and we have so
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  Speaker 1: many great films here, so let's get into each.
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  Speaker 6: Like for me, it was just the mother in that
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  Speaker 6: story was just I mean, it was amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And I appreciate you for being vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thanks, I would I would be remiss if
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  Speaker 4: I didn't bring up the tears in your eyes currently,
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  Speaker 4: just for any audio listens, right, just for the tearing up.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not crying fully, but I am tearing up.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're tearing up in like a way that is
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  Speaker 2: making your muscles bigger.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, my arm's much stronger.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love to talk about myself now, please. Of
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  Speaker 5: course I just felt the or just said okay, time
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  Speaker 5: to go. Yeah, you know, kind of call it an
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  Speaker 5: identity verset where I say I must discuss.
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  Speaker 6: I'm actually working on a thing that kind of discusses
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  Speaker 6: that you are.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of a little bit that's interesting diving.
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  Speaker 4: In sometimes, what if I could talk about myself for
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  Speaker 4: a moment the blue it's it's sort of a it's
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  Speaker 4: like a blue balls, but for not talking about yourself.
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  Speaker 4: And it sounds similar to the pain that that men
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  Speaker 4: say they feel when when they when they can't ejaculate
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  Speaker 4: when they when they.
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  Speaker 3: Need to it. It hurts, It physically hurts.
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  Speaker 4: Me when there's something I need to say about me
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  Speaker 4: and I and I and I don't always get the
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  Speaker 4: space to do that.
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  Speaker 3: So I fully empathize with that, and I understand.
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  Speaker 5: Room for it and I think that's something that's taken
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  Speaker 5: me a long time to learn, is there's room for
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  Speaker 5: me to talk about myself, and there's room for me
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  Speaker 5: to know that when I'm not talking about myself, it
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  Speaker 5: is an injustice towards who I am in my identity,
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  Speaker 5: my experience, and my project that I've worked on. So
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  Speaker 5: must blue explourage my identity right now, and I want
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  Speaker 5: to talk about it. My name is Zachie Marx, and
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  Speaker 5: I am the director of the horror film The Thing
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  Speaker 5: in the Woods, whose name we don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Cloud Club clus such a powerful statement about woods in general.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly. It's it's and and that, and again we're kind
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  Speaker 5: of talking about the whole movie here. So please, if
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  Speaker 5: you haven't seen the film, go check it out. It's
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  Speaker 5: only thirty five dollars on Amazon Prime, and I really
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  Speaker 5: hope you enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't Vidiots playing it for eighty five dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Vidiots is playing it for eighty five dollars a ticket.
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  Speaker 5: Vidiots is a really cool indie little theater in let's.
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  Speaker 6: Not actually talk about Vidiots.
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  Speaker 5: You you go ahead, okay, great.
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  Speaker 6: I just I'm sorry, we have I have beef with
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  Speaker 6: that place.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, I like it. I mean, they made an
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  Speaker 5: exception for me that I can profit off my film there,
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  Speaker 5: which is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: They're not the prices time, and I feel like indie filmmakers,
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  Speaker 1: especially indie filmmakers working with A twenty four, need to
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  Speaker 1: speak on that exact Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, just I just had a experience, okay, cool, So
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  Speaker 6: ok yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk. I was
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  Speaker 6: screaming at the movie.
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  Speaker 5: Theater and they right, oh, you were kicked out of
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  Speaker 5: that screening of Cool Runnings.
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  Speaker 6: Cool Runnings. And I said, this is bad acting, this
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  Speaker 6: is fake.
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  Speaker 4: Well I do think that wouldn't really fake because they
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  Speaker 4: were actually sledding.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought they weren't sledding. And this is a
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  Speaker 6: completely fake story.
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  Speaker 3: And not understand you.
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  Speaker 5: So the Thing in the Woods, whose name we don't know, right,
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  Speaker 5: is my film, and it is a really scary film.
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  Speaker 5: If I were to be so humble, i'd call it scary.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's much more than that. But I'm being.
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  Speaker 2: Humble scary because I saw it myself.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and that's what you know it is? You
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  Speaker 5: know we shot it, uh, we shot it in thirty
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  Speaker 5: days in Nova Scotia in the woods and we only
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  Speaker 5: we only had a budget of eight million dollars and
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  Speaker 5: we worked, we hustled. You know. It is people don't
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  Speaker 5: consider filmmaking an Olympic sport, but we definitely put in
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  Speaker 5: the effort of an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: An under ten mil mo is an Olympic sport. And
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  Speaker 1: you need everyone at home needs to hear that I.
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  Speaker 5: Wore tennis shoes on set because I was walking so much.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the sign of a director who's engaged and
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  Speaker 4: who's invested in the product. And I also want to
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  Speaker 4: commend you for We've seen a lot of horror films
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  Speaker 4: that utilize the monster as a symbolism for mental illness,
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  Speaker 4: and you were the first film that I've seen in
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  Speaker 4: recent memory to have the monster symbolize being sort of
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  Speaker 4: anxious and wanting things to be a little organized. Not
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  Speaker 4: quite OCD, but someone who wants things to be neat
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  Speaker 4: and clean.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, somebody that would say I have OCD as almost
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  Speaker 6: a joke, as a past.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of a yeah yeah, like yeah, So to me,
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  Speaker 5: the monster was the type of person who says that
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  Speaker 5: they're a neat freak, but they're actually just bossy. That's
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  Speaker 5: what I can say.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's a huge monster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I and again I'm not addressing
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  Speaker 5: people with obsessive compulsive disorder. That's not what I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to talk about, because that's on experience, and that is
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  Speaker 5: a real struggle. What the struggle is is people who
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  Speaker 5: use their attitude and their behavior to basically control the
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  Speaker 5: way other people live. And it was you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: funny when you look back and you see in the movie, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I was talking about this the whole time. I was
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  Speaker 5: talking about my first a D. And I didn't realize
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  Speaker 5: that I was talking about my first a D. Micah
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  Speaker 5: and she film on the film. It turns out, and
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  Speaker 5: it's crazy because I can trew your pictures of the monster,
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  Speaker 5: I can treat pictures of her and almost exactly the same.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was wondering, I was going to ask you
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  Speaker 6: why the monster always is wearing black? Within the little earpiece.
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  Speaker 5: Micah had a lot of things to say and Mike
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  Speaker 5: I said them all into her microphone. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to get a microphone, but it was
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  Speaker 5: really cool that she had one. I just think she
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  Speaker 5: was amazing and we got to be done and she's incredible.
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  Speaker 5: I it's just things you learn after, you know. And
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  Speaker 5: and I texted her and I said, oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just realizing I think there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: you in the monster. She said, yeah, I know. My
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  Speaker 5: picture was up in hair and makeup. Like I. I
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  Speaker 5: didn't know this at the time, so it was fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: But you don't know how I got there.
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  Speaker 6: I have no clue.
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  Speaker 5: Well I didn't have a printer, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: So I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, but someone gave them that.
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  Speaker 6: I have no clue done that, but they were told.
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  Speaker 4: So the direction comes from somewhere. That's so interesting that happens,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 5: It was just a really interesting set because we were
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  Speaker 5: shooting day for night when we needed to in Nova Scotia,
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  Speaker 5: but it was that time of year where it's always
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  Speaker 5: day and so we had to kind of shoot day
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  Speaker 5: for night concert.
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  Speaker 2: So why Nova Scotia, if you don't mind me asking, nov.
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  Speaker 5: No. So that's why it's the worst tax intensive and
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  Speaker 5: I just wanted to prove that I don't I'm not
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  Speaker 5: controlled by the government, not controlled by taxes, so I
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  Speaker 5: went where it was actually the worst possible. We paid
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  Speaker 5: fees for every single thing. We had a breathing fee
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  Speaker 5: like we depending on the air. They would monitor our
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  Speaker 5: error and they would charge us how much area is
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  Speaker 5: beautiful And I was saying, because I'll pay it. I'll
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  Speaker 5: pay it all because I don't believe that this even matters.
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  Speaker 2: To have that attitude and still do it under ten
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  Speaker 2: is huge.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you. And that was it and and
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  Speaker 5: that's we were tight. You know, it was really really good.
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  Speaker 5: So that's my film and my urge has been.
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  Speaker 6: It was a beautiful film. And I think it really
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  Speaker 6: spoke to a generation.
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  Speaker 5: And for me, I'm waiting for the generation to come,
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  Speaker 5: but I think it will speak to a generation general.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're doing as filmmakers.
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  Speaker 5: When it attaches to that generation, they're just going to
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  Speaker 5: be so grateful it's there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I applaud you and I want to recognize
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  Speaker 6: you for that and I.
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  Speaker 5: Feel it and I see it. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, dirty disgusting Queen your journ.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: We have this dynamic that's just palpable and I I
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  Speaker 4: really appreciate having a female filmmaker space.
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  Speaker 2: At so home. Mal do I go my dirty disgusting queen?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: And I say, my disgusting, filthy little gremlin and we
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  Speaker 4: sort of have this chemistry that is something that only
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  Speaker 4: women can really relate to an experience, and that does
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  Speaker 4: lead into and you understand, I'm sure and you understand.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to say like I get it, but
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  Speaker 6: I do understand and empathiz I do understand.
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  Speaker 4: You empathize, and that's what a great filmmaker does. But
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: my name is Evan Rachel McAdams, Michael Murray, and I
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: am the director of Silent Wife, and it is a
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: film that, of course we follow the journey of the
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: wife of all of the Founding fathers, and we of course,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: in real life they had different wives, but we see
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: all of their marriages through one actress who was fantastic
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: and she plays all of the wives of all of
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: the Founding fathers and we were very intentional in this.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: She doesn't say a word and so we were experiencing
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: this through her lens. And it's really a story. It's
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: a human story, and it's a story about what happens
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: when you go after your dreams and when those dreams
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: don't materialize because you're.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, because you're so.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Quiet, you can't really articulate what it is that you want,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: So we relied a lot on the story to articulate
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: for her such a film.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: For me, I mean, yeah, sorry to speak over you.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I just please, please, I want to.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: I want to just acknowledge that, like it has never
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: crossed my mind that there's people in the world that
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: aren't heard. And it blew my mind that there's people
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: in the world. And I'm just saying, and I'm saying,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: I just it's just crazy to me that there's people
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: in the world that are trying to speak it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I was trying to see.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: And that's what And then I'm just saying, I'm saying,
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: that's the experience that I had. It was cool to see.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Shane Woodleigh's performance as Benjamin Franklin's wife.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, of all of their well believe it or not,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: that was Shaneley and Woodley in all of those relationships.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you the colon oskar be of a
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: performance that was It cleared.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Me out exactly exactly, took the words right out of
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: my mouth. It was a colonoscopy of the soul and
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: she really took that on and she developed the idiosyncrasies
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: that each of the wives of the founding fathers famously
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: had you know, the wife of John Adams was always
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: washing her hands, and the wife of George Washington was
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: always sewing.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: And so yeah, And I don't want to be labor
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: this point, but I do think, and I don't want
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: to correct you, but I do think you're talking about
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: the preparation for kolonoscopy and not necessarily the kolosoy itself,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: because that is, indeed, that is indeed something entering you,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: that is indeed something being changed in your.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Performance. For me was like a camera going up my
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: rectum and looking around.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: And actually like to make a statement that I stand corrected.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I think I always use the term colonoscopy like it's
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a clean up, but really the clean up happens before.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: And that's I think such an apt metaphor for pre
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: and post production.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I'm silently if I'm.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Permitted to make a little joke. I don't really go
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: into comedy, but I but I would say that those.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I'll let you know if it's okay, right, of.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Course, of course, I would say that those two situations
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: are quite similar. You know, the agony of pre production
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: and the agony of post production, and so forgive me
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: for my little joke.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: That is quite funny, such a disgusting question when you
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: explained it, it really that's.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Such an interesting take and quite a humorous observation.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I think that so much of our lives can be
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: articulated through comedy, and I find it is such a
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: useful tool to get to the rock.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I've heard of it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's the show my grandparents used to watch, and.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: It like it reminds me of like.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Comedy in a way where you just don't see it coming,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and it's interesting, it's.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Exciting, that's very enthralling, and I for me, a show
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: like that kind of captures what I imagine it would be
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: something of the zeitgeist feeling of laughter, and for me,
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: I think that's really important.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I was in a situationship with a woman who loved
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: that show, and we were watching that together and I'd
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: really tried to absorb it and take it in. It
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: was such an interesting slice of life in the mid
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: two thousands to watch that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It did follow the lives of from what I hear,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: ordinary Americans like trying the best to follow their treath.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: For me, I mean I was friends with medical benefit situation.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You were on their insurance.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I was out there because we're all the Netflix password,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: but it's for insurance.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Just and I think we've all been there yet certainly.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: Well she was talking, she had mentioned that she had
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: watched the show. I didn't watch it with her, but
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: for me, it just sounded like the America story kind
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: of capture in such a romantic and silly way, which
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I think is magnanimous to the current events, almost in
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: tantamount to what's going on in America totally.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: I will say. The color scheme was a mess, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I couldn't I don't know. I don't know if they
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: never colored corrected that thing, because I was trying to
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: watch it. I just couldn't. I couldn't relate to the colors.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: That's the only problem for me.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please please, right go ahead.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: It seems as though you had a question.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I want to commend you for not talking about yourself
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: for this long, you know things, because it's it's hard,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: and I certainly couldn't happen.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: No, it's and sometimes I make myself do it once
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: a month. I think it's a really good idea. It's
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: kind of like Morning Pages once a month, you make
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: sure that you give twenty minutes about not talking about yourself.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: It's really hard. It's really a challenging and the other
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: side is so arning because I would have never known
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: your name. Sure, sure, and now I know it. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: my film is called Men in a Hole. It's beautiful story.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Two best friends go out on a fishing trip, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: they accidentally both fall into separate holes, and it's kind
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: of a beautiful story about what do we do on
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: the edge of life and what do we do?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: What do we do?
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: What are male friendships at the base of them? Are
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: we carninal? Are we carnivorous? Are we cardinal carnal? Are
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: we dangerous?
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Are we a carnival?
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Are we a carnival? Which is something they start. You
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: watched it, You saw the dream sequence at the carnival,
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: So it's amazing. I've been hearing that a lot of
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: the clips have been going viral on TikTok, which is
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: really fun because no matter where you are in the movie,
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: it kind of still makes sense. All you need to
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: understand is these two men are stuck in a hole.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it was such a great comment
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: on as you said, male friendships, and how neither of them,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: they both of them could have gotten out of the hole.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: If they want to take three feet of hole, they
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: could have gotten out of the hole they wanted to do,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: but they were afraid of their head reaching the other
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: man's genitals as they climbed out.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So it's sort of a.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Real how do what's the word to grapple with erotic?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Homo erotic? Yes, to grapple with homo eroticism in such
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a way and the phobia of.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: That even absolutely so. Yeah, So it's three feet holes
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: and a lot of the movie is them discussing how
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: they're going to get out with that, going to each
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: other's jails, which I thought was so interesting because for me,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: you know, I've run in this with my friends. Is
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: when you're on the beach, one of your one of
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: you guys have a towel and you're sitting one way,
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: and one of you wants to put the towel next
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: to it, put the umbrella's there, So you end up
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: putting your towel a little farther down, and all of
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: a sudden you're lying right next to the guy's dick.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: It's it's a thing where where you have to consider,
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: you know, what's going on under the surface here? Does
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: he notice what I'm thinking? Am I thinking weird? Are
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: these thoughts wrong? Are they these thoughts right?
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Is a staggered towel just a staggered towel or is
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: it something more exactly exactly?
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: So, Yeah, it's a two and a half hour film.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: It's fantastic. We had such good actors. We shot that
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: up in San Luis Obispo Wine Country where they shot Sideways.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: We use the same sets as sideways. But probably yes, yeah, so, yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: So that's my film, and we got Paul Dano and
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: my cousin to play the two roles. How'd you guys
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: feel about my cousin in it?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess we can talk shop here.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I found your cousin quite interesting in the role I did.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think such like a raw nature to him.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: And I think my bigger question is what did you
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: think of your cousin? Because I'd say ninety five percent
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: of it is coverage of Paul Dano.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: So I ended up having to cut my cousin. Well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: I completely out of the right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: The essence of your cousin is felt, especially in some
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: of the wild lines that seemed to be caught, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: you left those in.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Certainly wild because you didn't seem to be micd either.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: No, we only had one mic my cousin. Was that
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: a creative choice or it became a logistical choice? It
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: was at the beginning. I gave my cousin a microphone,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: and he was kind of making choices. And for me,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: let's be honest, I mean, who does it? I don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: like improv I have spent no years, years, three months
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: really writing the script, yeah, and putting everything. You know that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: This is what people don't understand when you're an our tour,
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: When you are a writer director, You've got to give
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: everything of yourself to your script. You've got to give
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: you've got to have sex with it, you've got to
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: clear it out. You've got to have a colonoscopy at
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: some point. With these scripts, you've got to put interior
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: or exterior. You've got to put all these labels and stuff.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: And so when somebody improvises with my words, I get
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: a little upset.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Right so you think this, this is how the scene
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: should have gone. Then why didn't you come up with
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: this exactly? Why do you get to come in right now?
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: And change.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: These commas were painstakingly placed, and to emphasize a different word,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: even it feels I do feel it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I do feel it hurting.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: But I do respect the great improvisers of our time,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: and I respect their contributions. I went to a show
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: at Iowe West once and I and I found it spectacular.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: They're addictioning the improvisers do their craft. Is it's like
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: watching a magician. It's absolutely magic.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: And I would say almost every time I've seen an
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: improv show it has been spectacular. I always, I always
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: do try it's pretty consistently spectacular.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You always asked because I'm just curious, because sometimes I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: do feel like sometimes like was that?
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: And I think that's what I've always wondered, And you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: just between us, I do think some of it has
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: to be written, because how is it that funny that
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: consistently every single improv show you go see?
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: And I do think that is the dirty secret of Hollywood,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: of course, is that lots of things that appear to
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: be of the moment are quite planned and quite painstakingly rehearsed.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I did have a question for the room.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: If that's okay, Well, okay, great, I'll see if this
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: is acceptable for this space. I wanted to know because
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: we all have directors and writers of course, who we
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: look up to. I was wondering if there was someone
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: in your life or something in your life that has
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: been an influence on you that isn't someone from Hollywood
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: that is. Perhaps it could be anything. It could be
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: just something that inspires you, something that drives you. I
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: will say that for me. That's okay, okay.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: Wow, a really good question, and I want to thank
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: you for such an enlightening, interesting, tasteful question.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really taste.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know what you mean by that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy to answer. First.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I was deeply inspired by a mini fridge in my
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: mother's basement. The way it was sort of the chill
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: that emits from it is similar to so many feelings
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that we have on the daily and on on set
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and on on in our friendships.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Uh, you can be walking around along the garage and
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: everything can be perfectly normal, and then you open one
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: door and it's cold, and that's something that it just
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: gave me. This instance of life can change in an instant.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Life can change at any moment, and it's the spontaneity
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: of that that I think drives a lot of my work.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: So that's what I would say.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I found like inspiring multiple things for me.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But I'd say the holiday Halloween is really interesting to me.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: And I saw that in a can of stuff. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: definitely saw the house.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And it was just like the way we the way
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like because it's about Sarah Deeve and she's the inventor
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of the blinds, right, and she and then she has
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this can of stuff in the living room, right, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: she's worried.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: She's worried about the onlookers into her house.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So she built these blinds because before what people don't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: realize is before blinds, we had curtains, and curtains were
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the only thing in America.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I don't understand how people don't realize that because.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It's an easy predecessor.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: But people say it makes me actually really upset.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: And like, open your eyes, people, there used to be
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: curtains where those blinds.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: There are unsung heroes of our time and of previous times,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: and we have to give respect to those previous generations.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I remember I was like I was living
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in Highland Park at the time, and I had an
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: old historical home I was living in, and of course
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it did trigger tree, which was like the first time
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: because usually I'm like in a like a loft in Brooklyn,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and it was my first Halloween like having kids come
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to the door, and I felt I saw this kid
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in like a ninja Turtle's mask, and I was like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that's what Sarah Deef did. She put a mask on
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: her windows and the way that blinds are that and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that leads to can of stuff. And then the can
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of stuff was inspired by a mixtape I found on.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: The floor just on the floor. Yeah, I was.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I found it on the floor outside of CBS.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And oh, I was going to ask inside or outside.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's such an interesting distinction. You found it outside
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: that you call it a floor. I think that's such
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: a such an interesting distinction.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You think the ground.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: I would call it the ground if it wasn't inside
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: of buildings.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: But that's we think so differently. And I know you
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: disgusting a little dirty, filthy girl. You do see things
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: differently because I know you quite well. I know you
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: refer to walls as upfloors.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, thank you for that's exactly what I do
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but I will say, like here, I am writing the film,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: so it's like Sarah Deeve is thinking of the invention
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of the Blinds. Meanwhile, I get this this this disc
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and I have it in my car and I'm like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: will I ever listen to it? Yeah, And that's her
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: looking at the can and I was like, oh my god,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: because I just didn't have enough to write a script
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: about a girl. Inventing the Blinds was so hard because
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot there. We purchased the life rights
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of the original Sarah Dve, which was like a huge
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: battle to get those life rights and to adapt that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: from her biography. But then at some point I was like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: we need something else, and I was like, we need
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like a something dangling, like what is here? And then
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I was like I keep seeing this like mixtape, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I finally put it in my car and it was unlistenable.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But what I think I heard was maybe a little
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: bit of Cheetah Girls or Chris Brown.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: You brought it, didn't You can play it?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: There's a movie, Yeah, and your movie is based on
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: what you think you heard in this Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's amazing, like check Off's gun or
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: done dove. It's something where it's like you're always thinking
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: about it throughout the play.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: You're like, is this there?
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Check?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, check off?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Gun?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's gun. I think yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But it's like it's like, what's happening while we're mainly
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: worried about this thing, which is the blinds, but like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: also what's in the can of stuff?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: What's on the CD? Sorry? Long answer, I'm sorry, I did.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I did want to hear the CD.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: I can you play it?
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Please, I'll just put it in.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: You.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, girls, we're in Paris. Let's go to the tower.
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Five beans?
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Will God blish the UISA?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So it's like what was in that CD doesn't matter
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: at the end of a listen for none of that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: because it's just beans.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I would say the thing that inspired me, you know
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: the question, was the thing that not from art, that inspired.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: You, the non art inspiration.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: I grew up in New York City on a street
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: full of characters. I grew up in I guess Upper
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: West Side, but the only working class street in the
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Upper west Side.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Oh sure, I'm sure it was working And.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: There was a big interesting group of Italians that would
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: sit right outside my house and I got to know
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: them and they were neighborhood friends. And there was a
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: guy named Sal And I'm not a I'm not an
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: actor and I'm a director. But I used to see him.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: He's this old guy and I used to go, are
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: you doing? Are you doing?
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Are you doing? That is so funny?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: And there was there was a say, you're not an actor.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: You really became that character.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I see him, he's real. We used to
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: play checkers together. He used to wear a white but
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: a button down undershirt.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: That character of salas so clear and so clear.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: And then there was another woman that she was there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Her name was Maria, and she'd say, so, sall, what
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: are you doing with the kid?
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: These are characters.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Such characters, were such crazy characters.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: It's like such a character stuff that you.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Wouldn't see in movies or TV. It's just characters that
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: were so so real.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Were you inspired by them or those sentences and those
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: phrases they were saying?
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I guess both, you know, because the sentences are coming
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: from them, So I guess I was inspired by their
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: brains and their spirit, and it was inspired when.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: They moved, they moved their bodies.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, they moved out they were, they were, they
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: moved out.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: This is based on your short film when your parents
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: bought the street that they were living.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, my parents bought the street. They turned it into
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: a Lululemon street.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Huge street, one big street.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: The corporate street for Lululemons exactly.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: So you have been there.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It's quite nice. The espresso stand they have is it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: only fifteen.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: There's a cortado named after me there.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's free.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I have a cortado named after you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a pinch me moment. That's a pinch
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: me moment.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: And they have so many different kinds of cortados that
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: that's that's great.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I've never seen for a place that sells yoga fants,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: have never seen so many cortados.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I mean at leisure is the new thing.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: It is, it is. But that's just kind of what
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: inspired me. These real, gritty, salt of the earth people,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: real people.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Discussing this for me is sounding like the show that
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: somebody talked to me about called New Girl. Have you
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: guys heard or seen New Girl? So this it sounds
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: a lot similar to the show where they're kind of
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: dissecting real people in Los Angeles and I think that's
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: just so interesting. You know, it's just so.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I do love New Girl a lot.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: It's the story of a woman who drives, who moves
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: into an apartment of all men, and they all drive
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: each other slowly insane until the final season they descend
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: into madness.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I don't prescribe to a New Girl. I have watched it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I think it's I don't think it's believable. I lived
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: in a house in Echo Park with eight guys and
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: one girl, and we were all absolutely in love with her.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: So I just don't think it's relatable that men could
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: live with women and not be in love with her.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I see that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I understand, and I understand that's tired. That's what makes
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it so surreal.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, Absolutely, it's kind of a farce.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: If you will interesting, okay, then I'll watch it. If
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I didn't know it was a farce, if I knew
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: it was a forest, that probably Yeah, it's kind of.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Kafka esque funny as we're talking about, like what's so
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: interesting about people? Right, but like these movies that all
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: four of us are here for, these movies are about ideas.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I did just want to bring Speaking of Koshka, ask,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: I'd love to talk about the things in our life
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: that are kofka, ask, because there's.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So many things.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, of course, it's picking apples in an orchard.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: There's so many It's exactly.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I I would say that most filmmakers, and forgive me
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: to make a little joke here, most filmmakers go to
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: bed as children and they wake up as greg Or Samsa.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's absolutely.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Turned into a monstrous verment. You think of just as
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: the character before.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: The got a little loud and.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the dishes is for me, you know, nottony of it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I would say, doing the mail is like kafka ask.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean doing the mail ordering on Amazon. Yes, yes, exactly.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: It's very cough asking.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Your parents to name another drink after you because people
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: are throwing the cortados at the movie screens.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Cougha ask, very absolutely. I mean, it's it's just for me.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: It's picking rice in a rice field.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: It's it's for me, no for you, for you, for
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: you when the sun sets and there's still a little
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: bit left.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: That's kaf guys.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's incredible.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: What's very cough, asked to me, is when you're talking
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to someone. You grab your phone and you were about
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to send a text, and you don't know who you
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: were sending.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: The text, Tom, that's cost guy, and you're like, what
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: was I just about to do?
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Absolutely So, going back to things that influence you, I
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: think something that has hugely, hugely influenced me is the
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: idea of the view from Griffith Park. Never been but
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: I am recommend it. I imagine it's a really good
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: view of lossing.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: It's low key pretty yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: So for me, I love the idea of people staring
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: down at people but they're not kings and for a
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: moment they get to feel like kings. That's scary, or
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: at least that's how I imagine it working.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: If I may ask, where do you live?
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: I live in Korea Town.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so it's forty's it's about fourteen minutes for me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Fourteen minutes for me, it's just right up Vermont. I'm
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: right off of Vermont in Koreatown. So it's pretty easy.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: But I just won't go because I don't want to
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: ruin the mirage that I have created in my brain
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: or noggin.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: If you will, you're a pretty famous guy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, please, I do feel like out
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of our whole class you You've been doing a lot
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of indie filmmaking for.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been doing a lot of your career a
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: So.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: I started when I was about ten.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: You had a Wells Fargo Pick of the week, right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, I had a Wells Fargo pick a bank account. Yes,
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: when I was eleven, my bank account was chosen as
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: the Wells Fargo.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: As a filmmaker, that means like good things I.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: And I just have to say, and I don't. I
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: am known for calling truth to power. I think the
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: amount of people you so are, the amount of people
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: that got their identities solo in from bank account of
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: the week was so egregious.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: It was a crazy idea for Bank of America to
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: post this is the bank account of the week with
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: the name and the number, the name of the number
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: and the pitch.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: It was crazy.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I mean to me, it's it's about the nakedness of capitalism, right.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: And I do find beauty in that, But I also
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: see that there are logistical concerns.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, But all to say that I'm a big
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: fan of your work, and I'm literally a big fan
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of everyone's working.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, for me, this has been breathtaking.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: It it's been exactly are you guys excited for the summit?
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Are you guys excited?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: This is going to be huge? We should tell people.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So if you become part of the A twenty
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: four class of twenty twenty four, you get to go
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: to a Creator Summit.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: You get the apartment on the Lower east Side.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get the Creator Summit entry fee, and you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: get a jacket, and.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: You get a moment where you get to stand in
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: an apartment and Noah Bombach can come in and say
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: whatever he wants to you for however long?
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: What did he say to you? Guys?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Actually we should talk about this because they tell it's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: like kind of like a Dumbledore moment where it's like
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: like what house are you in? But like it it
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: gets really deep and I feel like it's really bone
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: able to share.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: But of course, and and it's sort of I mean,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: there's of course that old superstition where if you tell
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: people what Noah Bumback told to you, it doesn't come true.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: And it comes true to them. It's like, yeah, it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like you.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Have to be you say that Noah said to you because.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: You don't want to give it away.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: You don't want to give it away. If it's something good, well,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: I could give away.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You could talk about hypotheticals hypothetically, and I can give
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: away too.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: You can hypothetically. Uh, Noah said a plague on your house.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: Wow, so interesting.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: And I just felt, I mean, I don't want to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: give that away. I don't want that happened to anyone
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: exactly exactly say that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: It's just so moving.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: It's also very like Nora Efron of him to say.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: And I would say, it's cough, casque and.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Away almost the definition of it. What I would say
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: for me, what Noah told me in the room, And well,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: here's the deal. I'll give it away too. Noah told
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: me I was going to die tonight, and I'm giving
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: it away. Maybe I don't, you know, like I'm good
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: with it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Wow, that's really powerful.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Because and we had that meeting six months ago and
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: happen to me.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder what he meant by that. That's so
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I really don't know.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: That's the thing. He's so wise, like it could mean
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: so many things, right, he said, you're going to get
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: attacked by a wild man with a knife.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: And so many things.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like, what does that mean? It's the symbolism.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Is he is he? Is he hearkening back to Imar Bergman?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Is he harkening back to Trufo or is he harkening
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: back to me?
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: Well, that sounds like Trump. It sounds like maybe he's
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: talking Trump's return.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I will say twenty four.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Standpoint is they're instilling emotions into writers and directors that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: they believe in.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Like they want you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: You just came off of this huge thriller horror that
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you made. They want you to live in fear because
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: something that comes out of you as.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: A creator when you are in fear is special.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people say that the A
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: twenty fours directors are the cows and the studio is
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: the milk machine. Right. They suck where the teats they
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: strap onto you know. Yeah, I mean it's it just
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: everyone's told me that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also came into my room and he he said hypothetically,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: he said, every time you bring order to your life,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make it messy. And every time you
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: go to sleep, everything you did to clean your house
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: will be messy.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And I feel as if that is the studios.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Milking the cow that is if I for a second
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: get my shit together, I may not be able to
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: create things like can of beans being like this beautiful
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: reveal at the end of a movie like amazing. If
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I ever wrote it to do list, sometimes I just
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: lose it and I'm like, was that Noah?
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: So mine was so different by he just owed me
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: stills from the Barbie movie being on set and you
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: just kind of talked about how fun it was shooting
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: that movie.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Me quite honest, I kind of thought that's what it
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: was going to be for me. I thought we were
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: going to have kind of a discourse.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Ye, just like today.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I thought it was believed that he was going to
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: sort of it was going.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: To it was more oraclely oracle prophetic for you guys.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it was.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: It was not like that from me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Security does that to one student in each class.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting that happened to all of us because
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I would say that I actually have met Noah before
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: at an event that my parents put on.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: But was it the Oscars. Yeah, your parents owned the Oscars.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: My parents owned the Oscars.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: The awards, just the medal for the awards exactly.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: They're no, they're not, They're not the academy. I'm not
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: a baby. They are the.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Ones who manufacture the the oscars themselves, the.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Oscars and missiles. They're welders, they're cast me.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: They do the.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Oscars, they do missiles, they do poor they have material
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: lunch tray.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: They have those big helmets that you know, very very working.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Ask.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I mean they're not working.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: They own the factory. They own the means of labor.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: If you will, they own the means of labor.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: And Okay, but this is not about your parents.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: This is not about my parents. This is this is
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: about and thank you. I was starting to get that
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: feeling where I wasn't talking about me. I was talking
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: about I was worried to parents. So I met Noah
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: actually before, and I felt that the Noah we were
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: talking to in that room was not Noah really, because.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was a darker God or something.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: It was I believe in a part of Noah that
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: is only accessed in certain situations. Because his eyes were
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: sort of rolled to the back of his head and
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: he was in that shroud, and I would say that
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: I've met Noah before, that's not what he normally looks like.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: I would say he was pretty charismatic and shy. But
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: I'm just not the same experience at all. Interesting you No, No,
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: he was a flannel and genes.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: That's very weird.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: He was in that robe and he had his eyes
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: behind his head, and he was shivering a lot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I thought he was just like a juice cleans or something.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Was almost as if the things he said pained him
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: to say, which is why I value that was there that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: Moment when when he was speaking to you, that he
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: he burped out a big bubble, and then when he
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: popped the bubble in the air, the sound of a
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: baby crying perviated the entire space.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Mine wasn't a baby crying. Mine, Mine was a woman dying.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Interesting, So that didn't have that just didn't happen at all.
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: He burped out a big bubble.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then when it popped, it was the sound
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: of a car exploding.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yours was a car exploding. Mine was a car a baby?
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: What a baby crying? Was a woman dying?
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was just talking about the process of marriage.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Story for me, most of that's that's really fascinating.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: Different, that's interesting.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: What do you think that's fascinating?
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: That? Is that good for me or bad for me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I think we're going to find out in a year
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: which group of us is it was good for in
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: which group of us it was bad for? Because it
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: was playing Dying Tonight?
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: What was yours?
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: He's going to ruin everything, right, he.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Messes up everything.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: The Plague and Death Possibly.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Movie was.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess that's so interesting. We'll see how
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: it unfolds and we we could find out soon. I
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: know that the A twenty four Discomfort Summit is coming up,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: where they put all of their filmmakers through uncomfortable situations
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: to access, like you said earlier, that feeling of discomfort
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: and unease.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So we're meeting in the La Metro.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: But absolutely none of the card machines work.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: For cars machine. One of the card machines cars machines.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: And they have food but you can't tell how long
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: it's been out. It's sort of sandwiches with an unclear temperature.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they had Bo Burnham do it. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: think a couple of years ago.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: I think Bo is so great and so awesome.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: It's so sweet.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I know Bo really well, really transformative, really transformative guy.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Actually call him Bah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: I'm so close to I call him Bob. His real name, yeah, Bob,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: his real name is Bob Burnham, Bob Earnham.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That's honestly, I cannot believe you just on this podcast
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: is getting spicy, guys. This is I have to say,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: like I I will be indebted to you for the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: rest of my life.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I will.
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  Speaker 1: I will follow your career and the art you make
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, just because this experience
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of doing this together, it's been it's been everything.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Been foundational, It's been completely gut wrenching and almost sacrificial
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: in its nature for how I've died. My old self
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: has been killed and a new phoenix version of myself
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: has been reborn and breathed upon the world, a fiery
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  Speaker 6: passion for film.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a completely different creature now than I was
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  Speaker 5: when we started. And I would say that's cough, guest.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, that's pretty cough.
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  Speaker 7: Guess hey, film boy, I've got a knife, don't don't hey,
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  Speaker 7: don't watch out.
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  Speaker 6: His parents own own Lula Lemon, my parents own the police.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Your parents.
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  Speaker 2: Is Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I acknowledge you and thank you earlier,
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  Speaker 5: So you better not fucking killed me with a knife.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I was nice to you, you fucking camera guy. You
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: gotta fucking back off. Hey, back the fuck off. Okay,
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: back the fuck off, you little pleab. Come on, dude,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: I thought you were great, trained little bitch.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: This has been Artists on Artists on Artists on artists,
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  Speaker 2: answering the question. Now, that's why they call it showbiz.
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  Speaker 8: Good Night, Hollywood, Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists,
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  Speaker 8: an improvised Hollywood Round People podcast, created and reformed and
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  Speaker 8: produce by Kylie Brakeman, Jeremy Colney, Angela Jeratana, and Patrick McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Music is by Gabriel Ponton. The opinions expressed on.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast do not reflect the opinions of anyone who
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  Speaker 1: works on it, not even the performers, because this is
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  Speaker 1: an improvised podcast and we're stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Full video versions of ao ao ao A are available
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  Speaker 2: Good Night, Hollywood,