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NASCAR Special Exemption Rule, New Playoff Waiver Policy & Football Talk | The Rick Mast Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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Boom, there we go. We are live, you are live.
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It's the Rick Mass show. It's been a while.
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I am Charlie Marlowe, that is the great Rick Mass.
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I want to start with this though 'cause I think it's funny.
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Let's have a contest of of who's living in a colder area.
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I live in basically St. Louis, MO, specifically
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Kirkwood, Glendale. You're in what rock?
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Rockbridge Baths, Virginia, Correct.
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That is correct. OK, and I'm going to show you
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proof right now. Here's my weather app.
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Zero Baby. Oh shit.
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Zero. What do you got?
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No, you got me beat. You got me beat, dude.
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You've got me beat. Where am we at?
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14. 14 in Rockbridge Baths. Still pretty bad.
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Hey, wait a minute now let me show you.
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Let me show you where my daughter is.
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OK, Katie, check this one out. -4 Where's Avon?
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Is that Colorado? That is Vail Co.
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Yeah, that's where she's working right now.
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So. But I mean, when I tell her all
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the time, why in the hell would anybody live out there other
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than skiing? I mean.
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So they had like the other day, Charlie, they were like 8 below
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0, 7 below 0 and it had like 18 inches of snow and they had been
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under a they had been under a winter storm advisory or winter
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storm watch. Man, if we're 8 below here, drop
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this bass in 18 inch snow. It's not only a winter storm
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warning, it's a winter storm Armageddon.
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It's just different. And those folks out there, they
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they just drive and live in snow all the time.
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But where you're at, it's cold. That's just that's just
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ridiculous. That's ridiculous.
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Yeah, I walked out. I walked out to to warm the
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truck up and it was 1 and it, it was a little different.
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Like I've lived in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
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I grew up in Toledo, OH. That's why I'm wearing the Ohio
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State celebrating. We can get to that later.
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But if it's 012 degrees, I mean that that punches you right in
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the face the second you walk outside.
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Hey Charlie, you ever been snow skiing?
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I have just just a couple times and I actually have not been
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skiing I think since my senior year in high school, which would
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have been like 2000. Yeah, let me tell you how I
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learned how to ski right when I started, when I came into the
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Dillard family and I started dating my bride, Sharon, 450
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years ago, dude. And her her parents would go
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skiing in a place called Canane Valley, West Virginia, which is
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an hour from here. And you go a little bit further
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West of us, a snowshoe. So pretty decent scam.
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And not like Northeast and Colorado.
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But anyhow. So I'm a 16 year old kid and we
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go out there for the weekend to ski.
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We rented this cabin. We rent these cabins and we get
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up to go skiing and I've never even seen him ski or anything
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like that. I'm 16 year old, years old.
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It's like 6:30 in the morning. I get up, we eat breakfast with
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my father or future father-in-law.
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He sits down a glass. He fills this glass up with Old
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Taylor bourbon, right. He says, here it drink.
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Yes. I'm like, OK, so I'd sit there
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and jug that glass of Old Taylor, Old Taylor bourbon down.
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So then the next thing I know, he wraps his flask around my
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neck, right? The thing goes running Nick the
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flask. He fills that thing up with Old
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Taylor bourbon. He says no, just sip this on the
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way to the ski slope. Just keeps dude, when we got to
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the we get to to the slope when we get there and we get my skis,
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the boots and all that all when I get to ride that gauntlet up
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to the top. When I get to the top, Charlie,
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I can't even stand up, man, right.
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And I honest to gosh, I, I, I don't know how many maybe first
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four or five runs. I'm just on my ass slide down
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the slide down the mountain, right.
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I'm just, you know, I'm kind of pretty much drunk or tipsy and
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and, you know, probably for four or five runs.
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I'm dude by the time that afternoon's over with, I'm
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skiing that whole damn mountain. I got it figured out and I'm
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scared of sobered up. But that's how I was taught to
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to ski by future father-in-law decided to get me, you know,
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inebriated and put me up on the mountain, right.
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It was all over. Everybody's laughing and
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carrying on about. Yeah, well, that's how you got
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to teach these young ones because they'll go down through
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there and they'll try to ski and they don't know what they're
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doing and they'll get hurt. Get them drunk like that.
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And they they don't, they don't get hurt.
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Have you ever heard anybody learn how to ski like that?
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No, probably not. I haven't.
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But Speaking of getting hurt, so again, I think I went skiing
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maybe 2-3 times. I went snowboarding once again
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my senior year of high school. It might have been, it might
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have been 25 years ago, basically right around now.
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I, I think it was the holiday, I think it was either Martin
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Luther King Day or President's Day.
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One of those Mondays we were off back in the day and I broke my
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collarbone. I broke my left collarbone when
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I was snowboarding. And so I have not, I've not been
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on a mountain since except for some sledding with my kids.
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I, I would do it again, but it just, we're not really like a
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skiing family. So it just kind of never came
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about after that. Yeah, well, you know, it's fun
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if you don't get hurt. Actually, Katie, as you know, is
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out in Vail, Co working at Steadman Clinic in a medical
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residency. This is her third year.
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She's supposed to come home, I think finally next year.
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But anyhow, she she tore up her knee the first year out there.
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She, you know, she was skiing and she blew her knee out.
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And actually the, the doctor she works with now is a doctor that
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fixed her knee. So.
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But anyhow, another story for another day.
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All right, well, hey, let's get to the to the NASCAR storylines.
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We haven't done a show for a while.
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So people the people want to know Rick mass opinion on a lot
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of these things. And I figured let's just work,
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let's work backwards from the most recent type stuff.
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So I think it was what last week you got Dale Earnhardt Junior
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Junior Motorsports entering a car in the Cup Series for the
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first time ever. Pretty big names.
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You got Dale Junior. You got Chris Stapleton on the
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car with the Travelers Whiskey. Justin Allgeier will try to
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qualify for the Daytona 500. That's that's pretty big news.
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What do you think of that? Yeah, Excuse me, Charles.
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Yeah, it is. And you know, man, we just, you
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know what? Honestly, past that, the sport
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needs junior, right? The sport needs Chris, the Chris
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Stapletons of the, of the world. It it, it, it the, the sport
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just needs those things at this time.
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And I that's the part that that I find intriguing, or that's the
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part that I like about it. I mean, yeah, it's cool.
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Junior Motorsports is in everybody's been waiting on
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Junior Motorsports to do a cup car.
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You know, everybody's won in Junior Motorsports to do a cup
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car. And honestly, Kelly and Dale
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junior and y'all do this. Our sport needs a junior
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Motorsports cup team or multiple teams.
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And but, but, but I know you guys right and I know it's got
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to be right and the money's got to be right because we're not
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going to go broke. You know, we're not going to
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lose everything we've got trying to run cup just just say we're a
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cup team. But it's just I, it's just to
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me, it's to be the, the, the big number one thing.
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It's just a, it's just a cool deal.
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It's a it's a thing that our sport desperately needs.
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I think at this point, because junior Motorsports and and Dale
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Junior, I mean, they're the that name of whether you love him or
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hate him or whatever the deal is in whether he wants this
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attention or doesn't want it or whatever.
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You know, he's a big, big, big part of our sport.
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He's a big part of the future of our sport.
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You know, if he wasn't here, if Dale when he retired and he
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didn't have his show, didn't have his race team, you know,
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that's a big ass void. And I'm not sure who would feel
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and, and anytime those guys do something, you know, a, a, a
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note, then it, it, it creates a big splash.
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I mean, you know, that's the biggest splash that's been
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created, you know, other than than what we're talking about in
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a little while with Elio and Mike Wallace.
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But that's a big splash for this sport.
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And, and, and we just, you know, anything we can do to elevate
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those guys, I think it's great. Yeah, of course.
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Chris Stapleton coming in. What is it?
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Is it, what's the let's see, what is a whiskey brand out of a
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Travelers? Yeah.
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Travelers, travelers, I'll look it up.
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Oh man, I'm not sure which one it is.
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My family knows about it, we've talked about it.
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My kids and all but him staple him coming in with his deal and
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being part of it, being a part of it with Junior Motorsports,
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Dale Earnhardt, Kelly and that whole group.
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It just it it it makes for a traveler, interesting traveler.
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Yeah, traveler makes for a very interesting storyline and
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something to talk about for us. But my, again, my main thing
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with this is we just need, we just need Junior in our sport.
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We need him front and center in our sport.
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How about if I throw this question to you, do you think
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you can? You can say, and and this isn't
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necessarily a good thing, but I think it's a a fair question.
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You think it's fair to say that the biggest stars in NASCAR
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right now are not the drivers and its owners, It's it's Dale
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Earnhardt junior and Michael Jordan.
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Is that fair to say, you think? I think it is.
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I think it is and and and how do why, how did we get here?
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You know, I have this conversation Charlie with more
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fans. I I was at a restaurant
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yesterday. The guy walked up.
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We're just talking. He was probably, I would say
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early 60s, late 50s and had this very same conversation.
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And I was talking about, you know, how in our day, the, the,
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the sport, the drivers were such heroes, man, you know, and
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everybody could relate. You could relate to Earnhardt,
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you could relate to Harry Gant and you could relate, you know,
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to Sterling. You could just relate to these
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drivers. And these guys are heroes.
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Hell, they were my heroes, right?
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And, you know, we, we somehow or another, we've lost that.
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I'm not taking anything away from the guys that's in our
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sport now. They're all very talented and
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all that, you know, But you know, and I have my reasons for
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why it's like that, why these guys are like that.
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But, you know, what do we do to change that?
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And do we need to change that? I mean, you know, back in the
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early part, if you go back 50s and 60s and through the 70s, you
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know, and really some some through the 80s, everybody was a
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Ford guy or, or a Dodge Chrysler guy or a Plymouth guy, right?
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It seemed like, it seemed like there's all those always this
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argument, you know, I'm pulling for Petty because he's Mopar,
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right? Or I'm pulling for Pearson
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because he's Ford Mercury. And so they had this argument
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or, or the fans or the, or the fans for the manufacturer or,
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or, or the for the driver. Well, I can tell you by the time
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I got to the sport, it had swapped if it was for the car or
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the team, the manufacturer, it had swapped to the driver.
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Because about the whole tenure of my existence in Cup racing,
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it was all about the driver, the manufacturer.
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Yeah, that was still important, still important part of it, but
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it kind of the driver became more important in in the
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conversations and stuff. And now, now it, you know, we
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don't really have the manufacturer being other people
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like a fuss about Toyota. That's all they wanted these
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fuss about Toyota, you know, being here because it's a
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foreign company and it's a lot of own truths about that.
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They take, they take some criticism they shouldn't take, I
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think. But then then you have they're
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good, They're good. Sharon, my wife, Sharon, she's
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walking up the steps here. Hello, Sharon.
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She's walking up the steps doing something interrupting my
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podcast with her beauty. I can't keep my eyes off for
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when she walks by. So about that.
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That ran her out of the room. OK, but anyhow, then we've but
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but some were Charlie, we've lost some of the the appeals to
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the manufacturer, although it's still there.
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But then we've also lost some of the appeal of the drivers being
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heroes to the fans, although some of it's still there.
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Right. So to your original question,
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yeah, I mean, I think, you know, and, and I don't know what we do
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to to kind of get back to that Charlie.
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It's it's almost like, and I, and I know this for a fact
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because I dealt with these guys when I was around thousands and
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thousands of fans every week and doing appearances.
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These drivers that I raced against were worshipped.
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They were hero. I mean, the fans worshipped them
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like heroes. I, I witnessed them, I watched
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it and, and I'm not talking about a group of fans.
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You go to a crowd of fans and there'd be, if there's 500 fans
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there, they'd be like, you know, 20 of them just being fanatical.
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What you, what you always hear. I'm talking about first 500 fans
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standing there. All 500 were fanatical, right?
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I mean, it's, it's here, came here comes Mark, Mark, walk
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through the crowd. Everybody's crazy, you know,
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the, the one that gets the most, if you go to these places, most
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of the time, you know who it is, their action.
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It's the king. Everybody, when the king walks
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through that garage there, everybody knows who the king is,
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right? And, and he's so approachable.
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He'll, he'll, he'll, he'll do the autographs for the body.
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And, you know, if you look, we see so many, so many stories and
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things being written about the guys, the drivers, and they talk
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about the some of the older guys.
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It's that's not in a sport that's gone like a Tony Stewart,
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right? Some of those folks and they're,
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they're this revered during the way they're talked about and and
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mentioned and all, and it's like those guys are talking about
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more than the guys that we have coming up.
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And you know, I don't know what we do.
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I don't know what we do to fix that.
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And I'm not again, I'm not taking away anything from this
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guy. These these guys now they're
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very talented. They've all got personalities,
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you know, but it but there's a there's a disconnect.
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There's a disconnect somewhere between these drivers and the
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fans that we used to have right in the in the 90s that that that
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connection is not. It's just it's not there.
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It's not there. And I'm not sure in today's
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media world with social media and with everything that goes
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on, how we do that because the the, the drivers of my day, they
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were put, we were put out there enough for the fans to
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understand. Well, that guy's a hero, right?
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But then we didn't have the social media and we didn't have
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all the things that would go past that with each driver and
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maybe start pointed out some of that driver's negatives, right?
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I mean, yeah, they're heroes. But let me tell you something,
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man, all these guys, we all had our flaws, right?
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We all had our flaws. So, you know, if you dig deeper
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into them, maybe you wouldn't like the guys butts, even though
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not really, because they're all pretty decent people.
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But Charlie, what the hell was your original question?
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The original question. About I don't even know what I'm
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talking about. No, no, no.
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It was about you make the case that the owners with the Dale
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Earnhardt junior and Michael Jordan are bigger stars than the
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drivers. And then so let's let's spin it
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forward a bit. I do think this is cool and this
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this encompasses both an owner and drivers.
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I think what's really cool for racing overall, but it helps
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NASCAR, even though it's not technically NASCAR is what's
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going on in the offseason here with some of the dirt racing
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with also what Dale Junior did with the Bud Red 8 car back in
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South Carolina is they are making racing AA12 month sport,
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right? Like usually, I mean, racing
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NASCAR is a long season. It's a good what, nine months?
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But if you think about it, I mean, one of the biggest stories
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of last year after the season, Dale Earnhardt Junior runs that
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red Bud 8 car, what at Florence. And then look, you had the Tulsa
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Shootout, great finish between Kyle Larson, Christopher Bell.
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You had the Chili Bowl, Kyle Larson wins his third Chili
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Bowl. You had Kyle Busch there, Ricky
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Stenhouse Junior. So I do think it's pretty cool
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that you're getting because of the dirt racing, there's a lot
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of fans watching flow racing people that maybe weren't in the
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dirt. So you do have the superstar
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drivers continuing to promote Motorsports even though it's not
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NASCAR. Yeah, yeah.
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That, you know, that that goes back to one of my scenes that I,
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I, I think I told Lisa or Jim or somebody here a year or two ago,
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man, you know, when we get when we came through and I keep
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saying when we came through, but you got to quantify that with
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when we came through. It exploded, Charlie.
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Something happened. Whether whether what we were
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doing is right or wrong, I don't know.
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But I watched it when I got out of the sport, When I got out of
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the sport, man, you know, you couldn't, you couldn't get a
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ticket to a, to a event or sold out.
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But one of the things that we used to do, you know, especially
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with me with Skull and then with Remington, you know, if we were
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there Friday and Saturday and Sunday, I guarantee you on
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Fridays, 90% of the drivers were some were within a 50 mile
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radius of that racetrack doing some kind of event or that be at
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a Saturday night local dirt track, right, or a little
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asphalt track or some big community fair deal or whatever
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drivers were out there and the drivers not doing it because
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that's what they wanted to do. They were doing it because
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that's what the sponsors at NASCAR required.
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Man, we had to go out and do all that stuff.
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And you know, if you, if you live or within a 50 mile radius
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to the racetrack that weekend, you had a chance to see half the
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drivers in the field because they were going to be somewhere
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doing all grass. And that, that that fan made
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that connection with that driver, right?
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And you do this every every weekend for a day or two with
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all the drivers, every weekend, all year long.
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And you multiply that by year after year after year, right?
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You not only do you keep your fan base going, but you grow fan
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base goes, I'm gonna take off. Every time we went to those
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deals and the fans come up, guess what they had with them?
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Two or three kids hanging off their shoulders, right?
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And those kids became fans, right?
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So that, that's one thing I think the driver's do.
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And then with these guys doing this, this, this stuff like with
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the chili belt, all that stuff that's going on with the dirt
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racing and they're not doing the little the show in Florence, all
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that stuff makes a big difference, man.
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It makes more difference, I think, than what anybody
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realizes. All right.
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How about Mike Wallace? There was the announcement,
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maybe, I don't know, a month or so ago he was going to run the
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Daytona 500 or or attempt to qualify.
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And a couple weeks later NASCAR comes out and they say basically
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he wasn't approved for inactivity.
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My take is, look, I know he's 65, hasn't raced in a while, but
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also you have to qualify. So to me, let the man qualify.
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That's how I feel. What do you think?
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Let the man attempt to. There's so many angles to this,
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Charlie. You know, the problem I'm having
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with it is I, I, I spoke with Mike, I spoke with Mike at
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length before he got the call that he wasn't, he couldn't do
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it right. This was after the fact, after
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he announced it and all. I called him, we talked a while
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very congratulatory because Mike, you know, it's a different
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deal with Mike. I mean, known him all these
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years and he, you know, he lost Carla back in the year.
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So, you know, as as brother Mike Kenny's pointed out on this show
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many times, you know, Mike's kind of looked for something,
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right? He's a little bit of a lost
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soul, right, with his wife being gone.
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So this kind of feel that in Mike's deal was, you know what
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he told me? He said, you know, I'm looking
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forward to Bosch, Rick. I said what he said having my
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family down there, having my family out on Pit Rd. having all
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the family there and taking a picture beside my race car with
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me, you know, before the start of the Daytona 500.
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That's what that's what he was looking most forward to.
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Is that deal, right? The the deal that came down on
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him man, you know, I don't know. I mean, it's it's, it's, it's,
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you know, did he talk to the wrong person to start with?
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And he got the yes. You know, if he hadn't got, if
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he hadn't got the yes to begin with, then it wouldn't be such a
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big deal, right? But he got the yes from someone
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that is above in the structure of NASCAR.
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He's up there. They're above the people that
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made the decision. The way I understand it, you get
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the composition, competition side and the hierarchy of
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NASCAR, you know, and that. That's something that's a little
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bit different than our day. In our day, if you go to Bill
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France, Bill France Junior and ask him, can I drive up here?
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Can I drive this race? Bill Junior says, yeah, we'll
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let you. Well, the case closed, right?
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Nobody's going to overrule Bill France Junior OK, although Mike
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didn't talk to Jim France let me back that up.
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But he did talk to somebody high up in in the organization and we
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won't talk about names because as he's doing that, but you
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know, it, it pointed out a little bit of a disconnect or a
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power who's in charge of what, you know, the competition decide
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and the competition side, then the executive side and all that.
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You know, I think that just gives you an example of, you
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know, some of the separations within the, within the, the
20:52
corporate structure of our sport.
20:54
I think it kind of, it kind of answers that question a little
20:57
bit if you're trying to figure some of that out.
20:58
But you know, the, the bad news, I just feel I just truly, truly,
21:02
truly feel bad for Mike, right? I, that's, that's on a personal
21:06
level. Now on a competition side,
21:08
Charlie, you know, the way I looked at it, Mike, you know,
21:12
800 starts and all the races and, and I don't give a damn
21:16
what you say when you say when you're 65 years old, your
21:19
reflexes are not as fast. They're just not.
21:24
But, but see here there's this crossover point.
21:27
And as a race car driver, when you get when you're young, you
21:30
got no experience. You don't know what the hell
21:32
you're doing was you go through life and racing you, you, you
21:36
get better and better and better at everything, right?
21:38
You're just better because you're racing more.
21:40
You get more experience. At some point the age, your
21:44
body, your age of your body kicks in and your reflexes start
21:48
slowing down, right? Well, then those two lines, how
21:52
you do this kind of do this, those two lines intersect
21:56
somewhere right where your reflexes are slowing down, but
22:00
your experience is still going up.
22:02
So totally, you're still a good driver, you know, and as age
22:06
goes on and the reflexes get worse and worse and worse and
22:08
the spirit starts slowing down, then that whole overall thing
22:11
starts coming down. Poor Mike Wallace is on that on
22:15
that crossover on the on that chart.
22:17
I have no idea. But you know, Daytona Talladega
22:22
is one of those deals were his experience and his dollies and
22:28
and and Mike was one of the good ones.
22:29
He was one of the good ones on superspeedways.
22:31
He could, you know, he was good with drafting.
22:33
He's just very good with that. Some guys are and some guys
22:36
aren't. He's one of the good ones.
22:38
You know, was he was he old enough to the experience level
22:41
that that that, you know, wouldn't overcome his age?
22:45
I don't know, you know, but they put it out like he's not in
22:48
competition. I think somebody said, you know,
22:51
Kenny Schrader right now, 70 years old, if he wanted to come
22:53
back and run the Daytona 500, they let him run because he
22:56
hasn't run NASCAR, but he runs the dirt tracks every single
22:59
week or 8080 races a year. So if that in fact is the case,
23:03
then fine. You know, same way with our boss
23:06
Kenny Wallace. If he wanted to race, you know,
23:08
they feel like he they let him race because of his experience.
23:10
If Mike could have been out there on a couple race tracks
23:12
somewhere running something, you know, would NASCAR have let him
23:15
race? Probably so, probably so, so.
23:18
But the other thing too, Charlie, about this whole deal,
23:21
this is the first time this has happened.
23:22
You know, we've never, we've never turned anybody down
23:25
because of their age that I know of.
23:26
Maybe we have, we just didn't know about it or hear about it.
23:29
But you know, Morgan was a good, great, good example.
23:32
Morgan Shepherd raced, you know, he's older than Mike is now and
23:36
he he kept racing, but he was there about every week or two
23:39
right races. So, you know, they let him do
23:41
that. Charlie, I I don't know, it's
23:42
just just a tough situation for Mike.
23:44
I hate it for him. I understand his side.
23:47
I understand NASCAR's side. But here's the other thing,
23:49
Charlie, that again, again, I don't know how it always friggin
23:53
happens with NASCAR, but there's always this timing issue, man,
23:57
right? There's always this timing issue
24:00
with NASCAR. It just blows up right in her
24:02
face. Because at the same time we're
24:04
telling Mike Wallace and Kate race, we're letting Elio, Elio
24:08
Castanavis race, right? And hadn't been in one of these
24:11
cars, but he has been in a race car, right?
24:15
So all that does is is gives fans the fuel for the fire.
24:19
And I've been reading it for two weeks, right?
24:21
And I don't know, it just seems like we're always shooting
24:24
yourself in the foot with time. There's always these timing
24:27
things that goes on. Just it just kills us.
24:29
But you know, it is what it is, dude.
24:31
Yeah, and and and maybe you and I disagree.
24:34
We've talked about this before, but I but I do think even
24:36
controversy, it's the old, all publicity is good publicity.
24:41
Even if people are arguing and debating, it's, it's good for
24:44
the sport. And you bring up Elio.
24:45
That's where I was going to go next.
24:46
So perfect timing there. You also brought up Ken Schrader
24:50
and Kenny Wallace and I'm I'm kind of stealing, I'm kind of
24:53
stealing Schrader's line here because when he said this, I
24:56
agreed with them on Herman Schrader a week or so ago when
25:00
they talked about this. So basically my opinion is I I
25:04
love the idea of having the 41st driver for a world class driver
25:09
to come in because I think it's good for the sport.
25:12
If it's going to be down the road, whoever the hell it is,
25:14
somebody from IndyCar, Max Verstappen, I think that's good
25:17
for the sport. But what Schrader said was it's
25:21
the Daytona 500. It's already the biggest stock
25:25
car race in the world. So for me, like I'm I'm not mad
25:29
by the way, that Elio's going to be in this race doesn't bother
25:32
me at all. But I also think maybe for some
25:35
of the non crown jewel events, for the non playoff races where
25:39
you get into kind of the dog days of the NASCAR season,
25:43
that's where I feel like a story like this can be good for the
25:45
sport. You probably don't need it for
25:48
the Great American race where everybody's watching the Daytona
25:52
500 anyway. Again, I'm not complaining, but
25:55
Daytona doesn't need anything extra in my opinion.
25:58
No, no, it doesn't. It doesn't.
26:01
And I don't know, man. It's just to try not to stray
26:06
away from what your point is here, But it's just to me, it's
26:10
just so weird that they would make this rule.
26:13
I mean, you know, they would have never ever, ever, ever made
26:18
a, a, a not rule. But you know, it is a rule like
26:22
this in the past, right? It's it's but this, this rule of
26:27
giving what's it called again? The what?
26:29
Well, it's a special exemption, but isn't it?
26:31
Is it OEP? Whatever it is, it's a special.
26:35
Whatever it is, OEP, whatever they call it, you know, it's
26:39
just, I don't know, that one to me just strikes me as weird.
26:42
I mean, I get it. Again, I get it.
26:45
And this goes towards what we talk about all the time here,
26:48
Charlie. And that's the show, right?
26:51
This is the show what we're what we're trying to do with with our
26:54
show to make our show more interested in the pods.
26:58
So you know, I don't know it's about our site isn't good.
27:02
No, it's open exemption, provisional OEP.
27:07
OEPOEPOE. Greater OEPOEPOEPOEP, right?
27:16
We're going to talk a lot about the OP as as the year goes on.
27:19
We're going to see how this works out.
27:20
But for Aileo, for Castanos to be in the race, it's a good
27:24
deal. It's a good deal for our sport
27:26
for him to be in the race. It was a good deal for our sport
27:28
when AJ Foyt would run, right? It's a good deal when Mario
27:32
Andretti would run. And we're talking we're talking
27:35
60s and then the 1960s when those guys did that big name
27:40
from IndyCar world running in the Daytona 500, big deal.
27:44
And the hell they won the fight or AJ won it.
27:46
Mario won it. I doubt a Leo win it, but he
27:48
might. But you know, I'm with you.
27:50
We don't really need you don't need the extra hype for that.
27:53
Keep it, try try to keep it pure, you know.
27:55
But you know, the race, you go somewhere, go to Kansas or
27:58
wherever you go. Well, hell, you can't say that
28:00
because that's they fill that track up.
28:02
But yeah, I agree with all that. And let let me ask you, because
28:06
I think I could be wrong. I think I kind of know sometimes
28:10
how you how you think about some of these things just because
28:13
we've done a show now for a year.
28:14
It is part of your thinking also that you've always said when you
28:18
raced you didn't have a safety net, right?
28:21
And you had to qualify to get in.
28:22
Now it's different now with the charters, but you're letting
28:25
this dude in, whereas back in the day you guys had to grind it
28:29
out just to get in the show. Yeah, and that's what makes it
28:33
tough for no veteran like me, right?
28:36
But you lived your whole career fighting that battle.
28:40
And you watched other teams drivers go home.
28:43
You watched, you watched Fortune 500 companies go home with a
28:47
suite full, a suite full of executives of that Fortune 500
28:51
company stepping in the suite on Sunday to watch the race.
28:55
And their car didn't qualify for the race.
28:57
Dude, you know, I mean, I watched that.
29:00
I witnessed that as a part of all that.
29:02
And it was a struggle, you know, to make sure you were in that
29:05
show that week and and that that went on a lot.
29:08
And, you know, now, but just having somebody say, well, you
29:12
know, we like this guy. He's, you know, everybody in the
29:15
world knows him. He gets, he gets 10,000 hits on
29:18
social media every three hours. You know, we need him in this
29:21
race, right? You know, and that's basically
29:23
what it really comes down to, you know, and, and I get it.
29:26
It drives the ratings. I mean, so much about our sport
29:28
is TV ratings and things like that drive our ratings.
29:31
So, you know, if you love our sport, Charlie, you got to
29:35
understand what drives the sport anymore, right?
29:38
And you got to understand that things that that used to drive
29:41
the sport, maybe not necessarily drive it with that highest
29:45
percentage as it did when we were there, maybe other things
29:48
drive it now. And that's what we're looking
29:50
at. I don't know.
29:51
Well, you know what I need to do, dude.
29:53
I need to go to Daytona or Charlotte and I need to go into
29:55
their competition slash marketing side and just spend a
30:00
week, you know, just spend a week listening to meetings and
30:03
and knowing, knowing what you know, knowing what they are
30:07
NASCAR, somebody in, in, in marketing or, or the competition
30:11
marketing side. Invite me down.
30:12
Invite me down. And honestly, I won't say a
30:14
word. I won't say anything right other
30:17
than try to help you guys. But I would really, really,
30:20
really, really, truly love to understand, you know, where
30:24
they're at with everything, with the decisions they make and why
30:27
they make. And we're on the outside, you
30:29
reacted to the decision that they make, right?
30:32
And I'm not sure that all the times that they get the message
30:36
out why they make decisions they make.
30:38
I'm not sure that it's really pointed out in late terms for
30:41
fans to understand. So I need to be invited in a
30:44
couple. I need to be invited to this, to
30:47
this and just sit down and listen and, and, and formulate
30:50
in my mind, you know, where are we at and where are we trying to
30:53
get to? I mean, they're all doing what
30:55
they think's best for the sport. We always, always did that.
30:58
But the decisions are made and it makes it hard for fans to
31:01
understand some of this stuff. You know, the fans get feel like
31:04
you're a little bit disenchanted because something comes out, but
31:07
it's not explained properly, right?
31:09
And there's a little disconnect there.
31:12
I can help with that. There you go NASCAR invite Rick
31:16
Mast to the the marketing meetings I'd like to go to
31:20
actually, if NASCAR wants to invite me as well, I'm down.
31:24
So OK, we also have the, we'll call it the Kyle Larson rule.
31:28
And by the way, before we move on, I just want to say I do
31:32
think it's cool. I think it's cool to have the
31:34
special exemptions. The OEPI just don't think you
31:37
need them. You obviously don't need them
31:38
for the playoff races and you don't need them for the crown
31:41
jewel events. You need them for some of these
31:43
others. I think that's where I would
31:44
use, but let's move on to the the waiver situation.
31:48
We'll call it the Kyle Larson rule.
31:50
I think this is pretty fair because I understand last year
31:54
fans, if they were pissed, if they go to the Coke 600, you had
31:57
the weather. You want to see Kyle Larson,
32:00
right? You pay money to see Kyle Larson
32:02
because of the weather. You didn't get to see him race.
32:04
Then they call that race. Not really Kyle Larson's fault,
32:07
but he also he made the choice. He could have left Indy, but
32:11
you're not going to leave the Indy 500.
32:13
But the fact that what these guys now won't have the playoff
32:16
points, I think that's a pretty fairway to handle this.
32:20
I want to see drivers continue to attempt the double.
32:24
But I do think it's OK to punish him a bit because this is
32:27
NASCAR. This is this is NASCAR.
32:30
NASCAR shouldn't go out of its way to promote IndyCar, even
32:32
though it's it's good for racing overall.
32:35
But still, you have to look out for your own league.
32:40
Oh yeah, and, and Rick Hendrick kind of opened the door on this
32:44
Charlie last year when it was all said and done, when when the
32:48
the the Coke 600 was over with, when they were interviewing,
32:51
Rick Hendrick said, well, you know, if we do this again for
32:54
sure, excuse me, The Coke 600 is the main thing.
33:00
If we're if we're leading the race at Indy 500 and it's
33:03
raining delayed or whatever, he'll have to come in and we'll
33:06
have to get on a helicopter and come back.
33:08
So Rick, either the new either new then what NASCAR was
33:12
thinking about the future or he just put that statement out
33:14
there. So you know, you know, you
33:18
you've got to do it. I mean, you're one or the other.
33:20
I mean, you're the the two premier Motorsports leagues in
33:23
our country, right? And you and you, you just, you
33:26
know, it's just circumstances with a, with these races away
33:30
they go. And really, you know, the Indy
33:32
500 hasn't been rain delayed that many times over the years.
33:36
So you know, it's, it shouldn't be that big a deal all the time,
33:39
although last year pointed out the flaw in it.
33:41
So you know, if they if they decide to do that and they go up
33:44
there, man, hey, think about that, Charlie, I'm leading the
33:47
Indy 500. I got 5th.
33:50
What hell, 10 laps to go, right? But I have to pit now to get on
33:56
the helicopter in order to get to Charlotte in time to start
34:00
the race, right? What you going to do, man?
34:04
Right. Like, oh, who was it?
34:06
Jim Brown and said that to Richard Pryor that time.
34:10
What you going to do, boy, what you going to do, right?
34:13
You have to you have to go back and look that all up.
34:15
What you going to do, man, that would be so tough.
34:20
But if the rules there, it's there and you don't have to
34:23
worry about it. You don't have to certificate
34:25
about it. You don't have to chew over to
34:27
argue about it. There's the rule.
34:28
Here's what we're going to do. Make your choice.
34:31
Figure out which bids you going to figure out which bids you
34:34
going to lie in. OK, so Speaking of rules, and I
34:37
was trying to find the exact rule here, but the other part of
34:40
the the rules, you had the damaged vehicle policy, which I
34:43
think is interesting. It's kind of some some minutiae
34:46
there, but also the whole race manipulation deal which we saw
34:50
last year at the end. And So what do you think about
34:54
that in general? Because you obviously had some
34:57
team play going on and this was what this was Austin Dillon, you
35:02
had Bubba Wallace, it was the whole situation with Christopher
35:07
Bell and William Byron. How do you think this should be
35:11
handled? Because also you have some
35:13
manufacturer play on superspeedways in terms of when
35:16
you pit and being out there as a manufacturer group.
35:21
How do you think NASCAR handled this?
35:23
What should they do? Because you don't, in my
35:25
opinion, you don't want to see what we saw last year where
35:28
clearly you had cars that were not being able to pass other
35:31
cars in that race. Brad Keslowski, I mean, I'd have
35:34
been pissed if I was him. He's getting held up because
35:36
everybody's trying to get their they're manufacturers in the in
35:41
the final four there. What do you think?
35:43
Yeah, you know, the you know, one of the one of the problem,
35:45
one of the problems with officiate, especially NASCAR is
35:48
Gray area. You know, the Gray area is just
35:51
it's the toughest frigging toughest thing areas to to
35:54
officiate in racing. You know, so we've always had
35:58
these big wide Gray areas in our sport.
36:00
We're wide areas, man, in mass over the years have tried to
36:04
bring that area into black and white, right?
36:07
And, and this is one of those situations where, all right, how
36:11
are we going to make this black and white, right?
36:14
Did they really just do that or did they not?
36:16
Did that car really just hold that guy up on purpose or did he
36:20
not? Right.
36:22
How in the hell do you officiate that, right when it gets so
36:26
blatant where everybody can see it?
36:28
Yeah, OK, we're going to penalize it.
36:31
But where is that? Where is that point, Charlie?
36:33
Right. Think about that a second.
36:35
You're officiating. You're officiating that race,
36:38
and you've got to decide that guy's doing that on purpose,
36:41
right? Excuse me.
36:47
I couldn't do it. I mean, honestly, if I was the
36:49
official, you know, I I don't, I don't know that I could sit
36:54
there. Now if somebody takes it so far,
36:56
Yeah, where everybody sees it, yeah, OK.
36:59
But if you're sitting there thinking as a racer, you know,
37:02
and maybe an eraser, I could maybe pick up on it quicker.
37:04
I'm like, I know what he's doing, I know what he's doing,
37:07
but am IA 100% positive that's what he's doing?
37:11
No, I'm not, but. But I'm not.
37:14
But I'm thinking that. But in the case I brought up,
37:16
wasn't that pretty damn egregious?
37:18
Didn't we all know what was going on?
37:21
Yes, we did. We did.
37:23
Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did.
37:26
You know, and again, I, I just, I just think that there's going
37:32
to be some time this year calls going to be made, there's going
37:34
to be an argument. No, I didn't.
37:36
Yes, you did. No, I didn't.
37:38
Yes, I yes, you would. It doesn't matter.
37:40
You got penalized, right. So, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
37:44
It's going, that's going to be one that's going to be
37:45
interesting to follow. We will.
37:46
We'll have some. We'll have we'll have some, you
37:50
know, we'll have some, we'll have some shows on this this
37:52
year. I think you know, and and Thomas
37:55
makes a good point. Maybe telemetry.
37:57
Yeah, certain things you can look at with telemetry and
37:59
figured out yes, that would help.
38:01
There's no there's no doubt about that.
38:02
But you know, I don't know, man, I don't know.
38:06
We'll see. And, and damn, crap, shit for
38:10
you go to Talladega and you're always manipulating.
38:13
You know, you manipulate all the time.
38:14
You're always manipulating. But yeah, I get it.
38:17
I get it. I don't know this.
38:19
I think this one's going to play out to where we're going to see
38:22
some more changes. I think before it's all said and
38:24
done, there's going to be some more rules written or it's going
38:28
to be some rewording done. There's going to be more
38:30
understandings about things. I didn't.
38:32
I don't think we've heard the last of this ruling yet.
38:36
All right. I do want to move on to some
38:37
other sports topics and football, but any, anything else
38:41
NASCAR on your mind that we didn't hit on?
38:45
No, I think we've, we've pretty much covered the gamut here, you
38:48
know, been kind of a, you know, kind of a slow off season, you
38:52
might say with the stuff we had, you know, the Mike Wallace, the
38:55
junior thing and the rules changes.
38:57
So you know what that means, Charlie?
39:00
That means we're going to be at Daytona, there's going to be
39:01
more shit happening. The 14 podcasts are going to be
39:05
be able to keep up with. That's typically what goes on.
39:08
You know, you you spend all winter, everybody yapping about
39:11
everything and everything that's going on and everybody's pissed
39:13
off, everybody's happy, right? You get Daytona, it's kind of ho
39:17
ho. Then you have these winners
39:18
where nothing's going on, right? And like everything's pretty
39:21
cool. You get Daytona and they're all
39:23
hell breaks loose. That's that's typically the way
39:25
it works. So we'll see.
39:27
Course, the winter's not over yet.
39:29
The offseason's not over yet. Right.
39:31
I I forgot though, because it has been a while since
39:34
developments, new developments, but it seems like on the lawsuit
39:38
front, the momentum has shifted towards the teams, at least for.
39:43
Now, Yep, Yep, for now. For now and again.
39:46
Oh excuse me, choked up. Damn, it goes my phone.
39:50
I'm sorry, folks. It's all good.
39:53
That's my best buddy in the world.
39:54
But anyhow, yeah, it has. You know, the last rule.
39:58
Yeah, they changed judges. How do you do that, Charlie?
40:00
And then they got a new judge aside and the new judge come in
40:04
and said, Nah, Nah, yeah, we ain't going to do it that way.
40:06
This way, we're going to do it. So let's swim back towards.
40:11
That's when the latest ruling swung back towards the two teams
40:14
where they could. And that really went back to
40:16
what I thought was going to happen anyhow.
40:17
I think we talked about it. You know, we figured they could
40:20
keep a lawsuit going, but they would let them, you know, run
40:23
this year with the charters in place, which goes against what
40:26
NASCAR is trying to do there. But we all kind of figured they
40:29
would let them run with the charter.
40:31
So that's what the new judge allowed them to do while they
40:33
still fight about the overall thing.
40:35
So who knows? Who knows?
40:38
All right, we have we have almost 1100 people watching
40:41
live. We have about 1000 watching.
40:43
We're putting it on X live as well.
40:46
And I had we we retweeted it from the Kenny Wallace account.
40:49
So about 1100 people, 1000 on X and about 100 or so on YouTube.
40:55
How about just elsewhere? Hello, elsewhere in the world of
41:00
sports. So this time of year, Rick Mass,
41:02
are you watching a lot of football?
41:04
Are you watching more college or NFL?
41:07
I've I've always been much more of a college guy.
41:10
I grew up a huge Ohio State fan, so last night was a good night.
41:13
My whole family, I got brothers and sister that went to Ohio
41:16
State, a bunch of aunts and uncles.
41:17
So I was born into an Ohio State family.
41:20
I never really had an NFL team that I really rooted for.
41:25
We're about a hour from Detroit, so we had Barry Sanders and the
41:27
Lions growing up. We're about two hours from
41:29
Cleveland. The Browns kind of stunk when I
41:32
was growing up. Then they moved, so I'm all into
41:35
college football. I did start to watch a few of
41:37
the playoff games NFL this past weekend, but I'm sad.
41:40
College football is over. But I can't complain because
41:44
again, the one team I care about, the Buckeyes.
41:47
I'm 42 years old, Rick, and my favorite team has now won three
41:52
national championships in my lifetime and all three since
41:56
what, 2002? So I can't complain.
41:59
And you know what? I think a program on the level
42:02
of Ohio State, with their resources, they probably should
42:05
win one national championship about every decade.
42:08
I think that's fair. Yeah, man, congratulations to
42:12
you all your Buckeyes, right, Dennis Bickmeyer, the president
42:16
of Richmond Raceway, Big time Buckeye.
42:18
He's grads a big time Buckeye. Well, he's not president any
42:20
longer, but for years and he was always we're texting all the
42:22
time about that deal and I'm gigging and getting on him about
42:25
it. But congratulations to you,
42:27
Charlie. I mean, we, me personally, I
42:29
never felt it until was it 19 when our Wahoos, Virginia Wahoos
42:34
won the national basketball championship.
42:35
And that was like, damn, that was cool.
42:38
I mean, that was really, really cool because you'd have followed
42:40
that team since 76 in the football team.
42:43
And, you know, man, the college deal is just killing me right
42:47
now. The NIL.
42:49
Is it just every time I turn around, you know, and maybe it's
42:53
because it's affecting the teams that I follow more than other
42:56
teams, right? Maybe teams that I follow are
42:59
just not, you know, not doing it properly yet.
43:01
But our Wahoos have hit rock bottom in the basketball deal.
43:05
3-4 years ago we were champions, right?
43:08
Our football team's not doing worth of crap, right?
43:10
And we lost one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in college
43:14
sports, Tony Bennett. We lost him because of NIL,
43:18
dude. You know, he more or less said
43:20
it. And so then the other, other
43:23
side of it is, well, you got to get with, if you're going to be
43:25
a coach of today's world, you got to get with the program.
43:27
Nobody's, nobody's nobody says. I don't haven't heard anybody
43:30
say we don't want players get paid.
43:31
Everybody wants players get paid.
43:33
But you know, the way they're going about it, in my personal
43:35
opinion, in my personal opinion, the NCAA, whoever the NCAA is,
43:40
they ought to go in there that one day, lock the door, escort
43:44
everybody out, everybody, whoever they are, escort them
43:47
all out and escort new people in 'cause you can't screw up things
43:51
any worse than this. This NCAA has screwed this our
43:54
collegiate, our collegiate sports up in the last 10 years.
43:57
You there, there, there's nobody could screw it up as bad as
44:00
those deal guys have done. And but then, you know, then you
44:05
look at somebody like Ohio State, Notre Dame, I mean, Notre
44:07
Dame's going to always have their kids.
44:08
I don't care what they do with NIL because there's certain
44:12
mindset of kids are going to go to, to, to Notre Dame because
44:15
that's where you want to go, right?
44:17
All the other schools have got to fight over #1 the prestige of
44:19
the school. And then the money thing kicks
44:22
in. You're like, well, yeah, we
44:24
might have a chance to win there, but I'm going to make
44:26
another 400,000 if I go to this team, right?
44:28
So that that's where I think then then the a lot of the stuff
44:32
and transfer, the transfer portal, man, I just, I just, I
44:35
guess a few things got Rick Mass pissed off this week.
44:37
It's the NCAA group, the committee.
44:39
Fire every damn one of them. Everyone of them.
44:42
I don't care if they're the janitor.
44:43
Get them out of there, lock the door, put a new group in that
44:47
that. And you know what I put in to
44:49
run this thing. You know what I would do,
44:50
Charlie? I'd go with Jay Wright.
44:53
OK? Nick Saban, Nick Saban, Roy
44:56
Williams. How about Tony?
44:57
Bennett. Yeah.
44:59
Tony Bennett. That's who I would put running
45:01
this thing. I really would.
45:02
Yeah, They probably don't want that headache, but that's who
45:05
I'd put if the that's who I'd put in the running it.
45:08
All of them say the same thing, you know, we agree.
45:10
We want our kids to make money, you know, but then we can't get
45:13
into bidding more. I mean, if you're a college
45:15
coach, you might as well be nowadays.
45:17
You might as well be an NFL head coach.
45:18
I mean, all you're doing, you know, you're trying to fit or a
45:21
general manager of a, of a, of a, of a professional team
45:25
because you're, you're bidding the rights.
45:26
You're dealing with agents, right?
45:28
It ain't about school anymore, you know.
45:30
But anyhow, past all that, the Redskins bad.
45:36
When I was little coming up, we had one little TV station.
45:38
We could get very snowy, and my uncle had it.
45:41
We didn't get it at our house, Harley.
45:42
I had to go up on the hill and watch Sunday football, and I
45:45
watched the Redskins, man, and watched the Redskins all through
45:48
the years. Redskins have always been #1 and
45:51
you know, we haven't had anything.
45:53
We haven't won anything since 1991, I think, last time.
45:57
We're in the NFC Championship and here we are man 2025.
46:01
We're going to the NCI mean the NCAA crap.
46:04
We're going into the NFC National League football
46:08
championship dude against the Eagles.
46:10
The the the are are sworn enemy that the Eagles.
46:13
Well, the Cowboys are Eagles. Yeah, but anyhow, that that's
46:16
that's that's what it's got mixed Saudi right now is, is the
46:19
risk is, damn it, the Commanders, the Commanders, Dr.
46:24
Redskins, the Commanders, I don't care.
46:26
They're still the Redskins to me.
46:27
I'm just too fragging old Charlie to change.
46:30
I'm going to always say Redskins, dude.
46:32
It's all good. Hey, so you bring up a good
46:34
point, though, about NIL, and I think about this, too.
46:37
So clearly I'm an Ohio State fan.
46:40
They have a $20 million roster. Not every school can have that.
46:43
I I'm very aware of that. But also I went to Bradley
46:46
University, which is a mid major.
46:48
We don't even have a football program.
46:50
We have a basketball program, which is pretty damn good.
46:52
But you're going to see if you get a kid who goes to Bradley
46:56
and his freshman year, like let's be real, he grew up.
46:59
He probably wanted to go to Illinois.
47:00
He probably wanted to go to Indiana, Wisconsin, whatever.
47:04
He goes to Bradley. He averages 17 points a game his
47:07
first year. Well, all of a sudden now
47:09
Illinois wants him. So it's going to hurt the mid
47:12
majors. And you bring up a great point.
47:14
NIL is great for Ohio State. Look at Virginia.
47:18
Virginia won with a style in basketball.
47:21
Tony Bennett did more with less, right?
47:24
He didn't have these blue chip recruits, but he was playing his
47:29
style. He won a national championship,
47:31
had an unbelievable success and I know part of the reason he
47:34
left is all the NIL crap and now it's really hard for a team like
47:39
that to compete now when it's pretty much all about the money.
47:43
Yeah, look at Louisville. Louisville suck tit down from
47:47
forever and and look at him this year, man.
47:50
They're one of the hottest teams in the nation.
47:52
They got a new coach. All the players on that team are
47:55
are are new to the team, right? They brought them in usually
47:59
from the NIL and all that, and they're they're doing great.
48:01
And that's a good thing for that school.
48:03
But you know, Charlie, I don't know, it being old school, I
48:05
just got used to Bennett's deal. We would start reading.
48:08
You would start, if you're a fan of that team, I would start
48:12
reading the recruiting deals back.
48:14
But guys were sophomores and juniors in high school.
48:16
We'd see who Bennett was recruiting and we keep up with
48:19
that, right? And he was some of we, some of
48:22
them, excuse me, some of them would we would get and some of
48:26
them we wouldn't. But then we got him.
48:29
We got him on the team. Excuse me.
48:33
And they would red shirt the guy, right.
48:37
So you go to the ball games, you've seen this guy you
48:39
followed for two years and he's sitting in a red shirt, right?
48:42
And then he finally the next year he gets to play well by his
48:45
third or fourth year, man, he's a superstar.
48:48
And you're winning, you're winning the ACC championship
48:51
every year. You go into the tournament every
48:53
year and then the next year or two, that guy that you watched,
48:57
right, the baby was a street a three star recruit.
49:01
Guess what, Charlie, he's playing in the friggin NBA,
49:04
right. That's what Bennett did.
49:06
He brought decent talent in, worked their asses off and and
49:11
learned how to play the ball the the game the right way and end
49:15
up making millions in NBA. That was one who's the last guy
49:18
Trey Murphy had transferred into Virginia a few years ago.
49:23
Good player, but he transferred in and his statement was I want
49:26
to play in the NBA. I've got to play for Tony
49:29
Bennett for a couple of years to figure out how to prove by stock
49:33
to play in the NBA right. And he's one of the top well,
49:39
he's he's he's above major, he's above mid pay scale in the NBA
49:44
right now, right, doing doing very, very well.
49:46
And that that's what I personally enjoyed about
49:49
watching our Virginia team through the years, right?
49:54
NIL comes long, all that's gone. You know, you're going to get
49:57
instant gratification for one year.
50:00
Whatever guys we brought in, whatever guys we hire from the
50:03
NIL to come into our team and we'll go watch them play.
50:07
We get instant gratification for one year because the next year
50:11
you're going to have a whole different set of faces.
50:13
And that you know, that's just that's, that's what it is right
50:16
now, right? And if you're going to enjoy it,
50:18
you got to accept this is where I'm I'm going to enjoy this
50:21
right now. Granted, our who's right now are
50:25
sucking high in tit. They're not playing very well.
50:27
So you know, that makes me more, that makes me more disgusted,
50:30
right? But you know, that's the
50:32
reality. That's the reality of what we
50:34
live in right now. All right, look at this guy,
50:37
this guy Ronnie McKee says. He says if I wanted to listen
50:42
about football, I would watch ESPN or a half dozen other
50:46
places. Come on, Ronnie.
50:47
I mean, we did. We did 40 minutes of racing
50:50
talk. It is the offseason, OK?
50:52
We're just ending on a little football.
50:54
So I said, come on, come on, man.
50:56
Let's end on this though, because our fearless leader, the
51:01
great Kenny Wallace is in Italy. He's in Rome.
51:04
He was at the Vatican yesterday. He's checking out the Ferrari
51:07
Museum, I believe today. I think he put a video out
51:10
there. So when we're done, I will put
51:12
that here on the Kenny Wallace YouTube channel and also Kenny
51:15
Wallace Media on podcast. So, Rick Mass, what's what's the
51:19
greatest vacation you ever took in your life?
51:26
CMA Fest four years ago, Nashville, TN OK, the best, the
51:31
most fun I've ever had, right? We went down, Sarah and I with
51:36
our 2 twin daughters, Sarah and Katie.
51:38
We went down there like 100 and 5500 and 1000°, right?
51:43
Hotter than hell all week, but I'm telling you, we got that on
51:47
like Tuesday. We stayed till, excuse me, we
51:50
stayed till midnight on Sunday night.
51:53
The last, you know, they do that deal in the stadium Thursday,
51:56
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, they do these concerts.
51:59
And so the last concert's always on Sunday night.
52:02
It ended at midnight or 1:00 in the morning or something.
52:04
Then we drove home, right, Because I think the girls had to
52:07
be back to work the next morning or something.
52:09
Yeah, I drove all night to get home.
52:10
But anyhow, that was probably the most fun because I don't,
52:14
I've never been there before, been to Nashville.
52:16
But it's the happiest for every bunch of people, right?
52:19
And if you like music at all, if you got any kind of music in you
52:22
at all that you like, you know, you cannot like, you cannot not
52:26
like this place. You just, you know, you just go
52:28
down the street, you go into this bar and there's somebody
52:30
playing music and they're damn good.
52:32
It's all these people trying to make it in the music industry.
52:34
And you walk, walk out of that door, go 20 feet into another
52:37
door. And there, there are again,
52:39
just, you know, build enough to build enough to build it.
52:41
And then you go anywhere you want to go.
52:43
It's all about music and just happy fragging people.
52:46
Lot of them are, you see, I'm always keep saying drunk.
52:50
I say drunk is knee braided a little bit.
52:52
But everybody's just happy, right?
52:53
Everybody's happy now. Some of the neatest deals they
52:57
used to do when I was with school, dude, they had two
53:01
matches. They owned, They owned one in
53:03
Watch Hill, RI. They owned one in Florida, right
53:06
down below this place here, this place called Marlago.
53:10
I have, yes. Right down the street from Mar a
53:14
Lago, USTUS tobacco skull. They own this place.
53:17
So what would happen in the winter, like in January, in the
53:21
offseason, we would go down to the place at near Mar a Lago at
53:26
their mansion and it would be me.
53:27
It'd be all the drivers and the executives.
53:30
It'd be like me and our wives, me, Harry Gantz, Dake Praddone,
53:34
AJ Foyt. You know the current drivers,
53:36
right? Most time of what I was there
53:38
was us for and our wives. And it would be the CEO of the
53:43
company, CFO, the company, the president of the company.
53:45
He'd be like, you know, 5 or 6 of the top execs of the company,
53:49
right? And Johnny Hayes, of course.
53:51
And you, you stay in this big mansion, dude.
53:55
And you get up early like 6:00 in the morning and you go in
53:57
there and they have this big long table and a feast of
53:59
breakfast, right? But 630, you're out the door.
54:02
The guys were all out and you're on the golf course by 7:00
54:06
playing golf. Then when that was done, you
54:08
come back to the mansion, sit down for this long feast of food
54:13
for lunch, right in the afternoon.
54:15
All those people, the rich people, they go take naps.
54:18
I mean, the first time we went, me and Sharon was like, we ate
54:20
lunch. We looked around, we couldn't
54:21
find anybody. Where the Hell's everybody at?
54:23
Right. We're well, they're all taking
54:24
naps. That's when I realized rich
54:26
people take naps. Then you get all dressed up
54:29
fancy for the supper. Dude, the other supper was the
54:33
big deal, right? Or dinner, I guess.
54:35
Dinner. We they call it dinner.
54:37
And it was the damnedest bunch of exquisite food, the the best
54:43
food you'd ever eat, right? And you'd do all this and you
54:46
know, it'd just be a cool. Then you'd sit around shooting
54:49
crap and you do that for a week and then watch Hill, Rhode
54:52
Island. They had the same thing up
54:54
there. We would do that on an off
54:57
weekend. In other words, like we'd run
55:00
Daytona the July 4th race and either next week we'd run New
55:04
Hampshire. It would be a week off and then
55:06
and they would do it like then and get all the drivers and
55:08
wives up there. And that's for those are very,
55:12
very strong remembrances. Very good happy remembrances of
55:16
of of my deal with with US tobacco and but they were cool
55:20
vacation but complete decades. Charlie, excuse me, You're
55:28
waited on hand. You're waited on hand and foot,
55:31
right? And eat the best gourmet food
55:34
you ever eat in your life and sit down with these executives,
55:39
man. And it's like, you know, they're
55:41
no different from us. You know, it's like the wives
55:44
ruled the Rouge, right? You would you always wonder, I
55:48
think a lot of people wonder when you get to be in those kind
55:51
of positions. I bet those guys don't take any
55:53
crap off anybody, right? Wrong.
55:55
It's no different than you, Bubba.
55:58
You, Robert. It's no different.
56:01
Those guys are ruled by their wives.
56:03
It's the same deal as we all have to go through.
56:06
There's no different. You know, it's, it's, I don't
56:08
know, just even other executives I met Charlie through the years
56:13
with these powerful companies, they're always the same thing,
56:16
man. It's always the wives ruling the
56:17
roost. You know, it was just watch all
56:19
that happen. Made me feel good about things.
56:22
I love it. I'll tell you what we're almost
56:23
at an hour. We're both coffin.
56:25
So it's a perfect time to call it good show for everybody
56:30
watching. Please comment like subscribe on
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on the podcast. Those five star reviews really
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help. And Rick, we'll end it like this
56:43
because we started the show. It was 0° in Saint Louis.
56:47
It's warmed up. It's 1° now in Saint Louis.
56:51
But if you see that, it feels like -8.
56:54
It feels like -8. That's ridiculous.
56:58
It's one it's we've got a regular heat wave here. 16,
57:01
baby, Yeah. Heat wave.
57:04
Alright, 1° that's just ridiculous.
57:07
Hey, what do you think about? What's everybody think about
57:08
this? I got a little thing happening.
57:11
What? I was 17 or 18 or 19 years old.
57:15
I grew a beard, then one time in the 90s I drew a Fu Manchu
57:21
thing, right? That's the only time I've ever
57:23
had facial hair and now I've got this thing going.
57:26
Can y'all see that? I like it.
57:29
Some people I've, I've had all kinds of, I've had all kinds of
57:33
comments, Charlie. Some say you look more
57:36
distinguished. Some said you look older.
57:38
Some says it looks scraggly. Some says you're in the you're
57:41
in the the part where it don't look good before it looks good.
57:45
A couple of them said, man, I like it baby.
57:47
That's sexy, right? I like that.
57:49
So I don't know. I've had a couple.
57:51
So it makes you look old. I don't know.
57:54
What if I what if I just put some dye in it, make it darker?
57:57
What do you think? Or should have just shaved the
57:59
damn thing off. That's the thing, people.
58:01
People will criticize Ryan Day, the Ohio State football coach,
58:05
because I I think he might be dying.
58:07
The beard and the hair. He's yeah.
58:09
I think he is. 45, So he's not that old.
58:12
Yeah, but his beard and hair jet black, so I think he's using
58:16
some dye. Yeah, I think so.
58:18
I think you're. I think it's right.
58:20
Maybe before I save it, if I do shave it off, maybe I'll die,
58:23
put some brown dye in it from next week and see what I don't
58:28
know. To see what people say here on
58:29
the on the Rick Bash show. I don't know.
58:31
There you go. I don't know.
58:32
I don't know if they'll like it. So comment on Rick's beard and
58:36
also the glasses and I'll just say it.
58:39
It's like what you said about the big time CE OS.
58:41
It all comes down to what the wife likes.
58:43
For example, I used to always be clean shaven.
58:45
I almost never in my life wore a beard.
58:49
And I don't really even call this a beard.
58:50
Like I I trim it a lot. I always shave my neck, but my
58:54
wife loves the beard. So I've basically been after
58:57
probably the first 30, what, 30 years of my life I was always
59:01
clean shaven and then the last whatever, 11-12 since I met my
59:05
wife, I almost always have this going on now because she likes
59:07
it. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
59:10
that's always overriding factor, you know, but, you know, you try
59:13
to get your opinion set, you know, before you have to deal
59:17
with your bride to have a little bit of argument of fortitude.
59:20
But, you know, I get it. But if that's what she likes and
59:23
I'd, I'd go with it. Dude, I don't know.
59:26
We'll have to see what everybody says about.
59:28
This all right comment. Love you all.
59:30
Thank. You. 1300 thirteen 120 people
59:34
are watching right now a lot of them on X Let's check the
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numbers here. We got the 700 total so far on
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YouTube. So thank you very much.
59:44
The Rick mash show will be coming back.
59:45
You know we'll be we'll be going crazy during NASCAR season.
59:48
So Rick, thank you Sir. We'll see you next week.
59:51
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