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#073 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman with Steve Hilton · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, man, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: For people who don't know, you and I have been
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  friends for, God, more than 10 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How many years has it been?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's... 14 years? I think it's the year
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  we got here. Which is 14, 2012. Yeah. When we
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  moved from England.
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  Speaker 1: We met in Hawaii on the beach with our kids.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so what's your memory? I was just thinking about
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  that because I have a very particular memory of that.
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  Speaker 1: My memory was that my children and your children were
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  playing on the beach.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's how we met. It was just they were like
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  digging in sand. They were real little. They were the
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  same age. And then we just said hi.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But I remember, okay, I have a slightly different memory. Okay,
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  what's yours? Which is like, that's exactly right about the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Two girls for you, two boys for me. And your
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  wife was there first before.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I think I was in the gym and then
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  I came out of the gym.
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  Speaker 3: And I just remember, I've just moved from England and
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  it's a whole different world and a different culture. And
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  I just remember you walking down the beach. I've never
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  seen anyone like this before. It was just an amazing
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  cultural moment.
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  Speaker 1: You'd never seen anyone walk on the beach?
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  Speaker 3: No, just the way you were. I remember thinking, who's
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  this guy? I remember I'd never heard of you. And
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  then I was explaining to people, Joe Rogan, you met
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  Joe Rogan. It was just an amazing thing. And then
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  the other thing that makes me laugh doing this is
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  that We then did the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: At some point around then.
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  Speaker 1: This is before you had any aspirations of running for
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  governor or anything like that. Exactly. It was a long
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  time ago.
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  Speaker 3: I had just moved. I was teaching at Stanford. Just
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  having a very normal kind of low-key life. And I
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  really remember doing the podcast not knowing what a podcast was.
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  I literally didn't know. So we came in. And, again,
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  my experience was I'd been in England. you know, I'd
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  worked in business, run a restaurant or two, that kind
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  of thing. But most recently, I've been in politics and government.
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  And so I did in the media. I was aware
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  of all of that. And so, you know, it wasn't
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  like I was completely naive, but I didn't know what
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  a podcast was. And I literally thought it was like
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  a radio show or something. I remember coming in, this
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  is back in LA, and we sat down and we
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  were chatting for a few minutes. And I literally was thinking,
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  When's the next guest coming? This seems to be going
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  on a really long time. And it's like 10 minutes
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  and then 15. Wow, this is a long time. Normally
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  you get like 10, 15 minutes maximum.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Half an hour.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: An hour? Three hours. I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, back then.
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  Speaker 3: I really didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: No one knew what a podcast was. Right. So what
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  year was it that Steve was on?
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  Speaker 4: Episode 509, June, July 3rd of 2014.
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  Speaker 3: 2014? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa. Okay. 2014, episode what?
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  Speaker 5: 509.
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  Speaker 1: 509? Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: 509.
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  Speaker 1: So we've had 2,000 podcasts since then.
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  Speaker 3: Incredible.
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  Speaker 1: And wow. 12 years.
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  Speaker 3: That's 12 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy. The other thing, just remembering, you know, I'd
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  never really done anything publicly. I was like a behind
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  the scenes guy in politics and government. And I'd just
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  come out of that. And I was very kind of
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  cautious about everything. And you were just talking like you do,
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  which again, I didn't really know. And I remember thinking, God,
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  this is like, we're talking about sex and you were cursed.
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  I was like, wow, what is this? Like, this is
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  so different to anything I've ever encountered before. But there
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  we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody was listening back then. It was nice. You
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  could get away with so much more. You could just
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  talk and not worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: And also social media was not as big of a–
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  I don't think you worry about it when you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't pay attention. That's the key. That's the
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  key to my success. Right. This is like don't listen
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  to anybody, what anybody has to say about you. Just
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  keep moving. Keep moving and don't pay attention.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's obviously works.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of people out there
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  that are crippled by other people's opinions. I think there's
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  a genuine benefit to having a bunch of other people's
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  opinions of you and you get to see feedback, but
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  there's just way too many bad faith actors on the internet.
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  There's way too many people that have the least charitable
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  takes on everybody. The worst, the worst, like, Public narration,
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  like public narratives that they want to promote about anyone
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  or anything, about any subject. There's far too many people
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  like that. And it's a poison well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if you went to a restaurant and you
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  knew that 20% of their food would literally fucking kill you,
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  would you ever eat there?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's like Twitter. Twitter. 20% of the people there
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  are fucking poisonous. They're like a coral snake.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny because I've just been– so when we met,
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  I was just kind of a regular citizen, teaching at
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  Stanford or whatever. Then I started a business. Then I
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  got more public. I went to Fox, hosted a show there.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm a candidate.
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  Speaker 3: And as that's happened, you get more prominent. And so
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  you look at these comments– And I'd never know whether
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  to look, but the thing that I really just makes
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  me laugh now, it's like, I'm always tempted to do
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  it and I never do it. Like the really idiotic,
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  just pure abuse. Like, I don't know, like I do,
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  I put something out there and now there's a lot
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  more of this. I'm a candidate. It's like, go back
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  to England, you fucking cunt.
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  Speaker 1: Or you bald, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And like, I always, I always want to write... Good point.
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  It's just so tempting, and I never have. Maybe I should. Well,
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  there's a lot of sad— Because it just makes me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of sad, angry people out there that
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  are just lashing out. And unfortunately, those are overly represented
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  online because those are the type of people that have
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  the time to make comments. But then you also have
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  to take into consideration— Whenever you're involved in anything political,
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  as you obviously are because you're running for governor of California,
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  there's a lot of the people that are engaging with
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  your content that are not real people. Oh, you mean
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  actual bots? 100%.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that part I never have in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: You don't?
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  Speaker 3: No, I should. It's a good point. Keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a tremendous amount. It's not a small amount.
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  It's a huge amount. Does Elon– There's nothing you can
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  do about it. It was point of contention when he
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  was buying Twitter. So when he was buying Twitter, Twitter
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  was alleging that there was only 5%, 5% of Twitter
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  with bots. But see if you can find that article again.
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  There's a former FBI– god, he did something with digital
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  intelligence and he did a forensic analysis of Twitter. And
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  he said it's probably 80%.
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  Speaker 3: 80. 80. Jeez.
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  Speaker 5: 8-0.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a bunch of bots yelling at you. And
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  by bots. Okay. Some of them I think now. And
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  this is at the time. So this is 2022. When
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  did he buy Twitter? 2023?
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  Speaker 3: 2024?
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  Speaker 5: 2024?
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  Speaker 1: I think older than.
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  Speaker 3: Was it 24?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think it was like. Somewhere in 23, 24, yeah. Yeah, okay.
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  So back then, AI was not as much of an issue, right?
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  Like AI is– you can automate anything now. So the
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  claim that 80 percent of Twitter originates from a 2022
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  assessment by cybersecurity expert Dan Woods, while official company filings
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  have historically claimed fake accounts. represent under 5% independent estimates
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  and security specialists suggest real figures are higher, though an
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  exact 80% total remains heavily debated. It's very debated, but
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  if you read the article, he goes over, it's very meticulous.
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  Like the way he's describing, it's not like he's pulling
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  it out of his ass. So what they did, what
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  Twitter did to come up with 5% was they just
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  grabbed a random 100 tweets. But also they're trying to
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  sell it for fucking billions of dollars. What was it
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  like 40 billion?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Something crazy. Wasn't it?
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it $ 40 billion? Fucking insane amount of money for this.
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  What is now just chaos. You know, it's funny. So
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  there's that. And so this guy saying 80%. So again,
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  this is a few years ago. So you're dealing with
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  actual humans who are doing it. So you have, These
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  state-sponsored groups that are– there's these bot farms. And what
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  these bot farms are– I don't know if you've ever
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  seen them. But people have like gone inside and filmed them,
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  like whistleblowers. And what they literally have is like rows
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  and rows of Android phones that are all connected to
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  like keyboards. So your phone is without people?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And they'll type one thing. And that one thing gets
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  tweeted by hundreds and hundreds of phones. And there's many
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  of these places. And this was back before you could
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  get AI to automate things for you. Now you could
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  do a thing where you can essentially start a campaign. online.
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  Like say Steve Hilton is a cunt. Pass it on.
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  And literally they will– you could hire a company. And
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  this company has bots that will go out there and
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  promote that Steve Hilton is a cunt. And they will
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  put it everywhere. They'll hire people. They'll pay people. This
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  is another thing. There's a bunch of like really bad actors,
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  really bad faith actors on Twitter that are paid to
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  post things. And these people have been called out many
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  times by other people that are independent journalists that say,
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  isn't it crazy that all these.
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  Speaker 3: People use the same language at the same time?
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  Speaker 1: They're getting paid. They're getting paid quite a bit of money.
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  Israel pays people. They've been pretty open about it. And
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  they were saying that we have to win the digital war.
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  against what they call it the woke Reich, which is hilarious.
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  So there's that. So you have to like– when you're engaged,
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  like I know real people on Twitter. I know real
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  people that I read their posts and I know there's
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  real independent journalists. But there's a tremendous amount of just
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  utter horseshit. I don't have time. I have no time
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  for that horseshit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I look at it sort of– because you're
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  running around. You're doing all these things for the campaign, whatever.
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  So– I don't have too much time. It's the one
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  I look at, but there's all the other, you know,
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  there's Instagram and all the rest, and I don't even
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  look at those. But 1X, you know, for a few hours,
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  you know, if you add it up, probably half an
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  hour in the morning, maybe half an hour in the
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  middle of the day, half an hour at the end
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  of the day, and you look at it then, and
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  you just find out what's going on. I think it's
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  pretty good for news. Like things that are happening.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best thing in the world for news.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I check in with you. You kind
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  of see what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I do that. I go to the front page, like
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  what's going on? What are the news stories? But as
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  soon as it gets to people's opinions on things, blah, blah, blah,
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  not listening.
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  Speaker 3: I just think it's fun. Honestly, the abuse stuff, it
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  just makes me laugh. Does it?
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  Speaker 1: That's good. Well, you've always been really good digitally. Like
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  for people that don't know, like I said, Steve and
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  I have known each other for a long time. I
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  mean we're good friends. Like we've taken our families to Disneyland. Yeah,
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  like we've slept over each other's homes. This is, again,
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  way before you were running for governor. I know you.
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  And you know me and you know my family. We
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  know each other. And you've always had no phone. You
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  were always impossible to reach. I used to have to
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  get a hold of your wife to get a hold
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  of you.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It was hilarious. For a while, I don't even know
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  if you've had a fucking email for a while.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have email. I always had email.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you never had anything on you to check
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  that email.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. One time in San Diego.
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  Speaker 3: I always said, it's fine. Nothing ever goes wrong. One
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  time it went wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Your wife was so mad at you because she couldn't
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  get a hold of you. You fucking vanished. But this
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  was the thing is like you were well aware that
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  it is a toxic element in your life and it's distracting.
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  It keeps you from being present. It keeps you from
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  being in the moment. And it's very hard to have
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  discipline and just put it down. And I'm really good
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  at it, but then I'm not. Some days I'm not.
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  I just find myself on the toilet for 20 minutes
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  watching murder videos. Because my Instagram, it's actually really good
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  right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, you mean like true crime stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, horrible things. So one of my best friends, Tom Segura,
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  he– And I have had this tradition over the last
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  few years of sending each other the worst fucking shit
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  that we find online to each other just to freak
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  each other out first thing in the morning. Like first
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  thing in the morning, I wake up and Tom sent me.
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  Like the other day I sent him– these two guys
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  were trying to rob an ATM machine. And the guy
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  is pulling on it and they wrapped a chain around
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  it and they had a car.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: That was pulling.
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  Speaker 3: Like some ridiculous scene.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the car was pulling the ATM
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  machine out and the guy got trapped under it and
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  dragged with sparks and blood. I mean it's fucking horrific.
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  And I mean I've seen so many people get executed. Hundreds. Hundreds.
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  Instagram is terrible at removing that stuff. I don't know
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  if– I spend far less time on X because X
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  is so much opinions. So much of it is just text. Instagram,
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  for me, it's– a lot of it is very interesting.
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  Like I find interesting historical facts, interesting scientific discoveries, cool stuff.
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  There's a lot of cool stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to be just generally when I'm around– I'm
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  on planes a lot and like all the time and
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  you see people. So just watching people, Instagram seems to
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  be the thing. I'm not watching what they're looking at.
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  You can see the logo and you can see– that
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  seems to be what people are most consuming on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's probably the biggest one. Maybe TikTok is
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  probably the biggest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's the biggest. But they're both pretty
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  big and it's just mindless.
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  Speaker 3: TikTok is probably younger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. But there's a lot of older people
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  on TikTok too now. It's just very addictive. TikTok, when
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  you open it up, it immediately starts playing you something.
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  That's different. You know, like Instagram, it opens the page
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  and you go, so what's going on? And you have
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  to like put in a little effort. TikTok's like, gotcha.
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  Like immediately as soon as you open up the app,
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  it's like, gotcha. Here's another one. Here's another one. Here's
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  another one. Next thing you know, an hour's gone by
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  and you've wasted it.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when I first read about it like years ago. TikTok.
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  I think maybe it wasn't called TikTok. It was ByteDance worth.
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  doing it, and it was music video. There's something to
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  do with music, and that's how it started.
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  Speaker 1: It started with, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 3: You could make your own video to music or something
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  to do with music was the focus.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the original TikTok was a bunch of people dancing. Yeah,
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  that's right.
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  Speaker 3: They were TikTok dancing. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were dancing and lip syncing.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember reading, and they were talking about how
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  viral it's gotten, and this thing is going to take over.
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  So I was like, oh yeah, that can't be, that's
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  not going to happen. And then now look where we are. Amazing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting is China, where TikTok originated, they
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  have a completely different TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Their TikTok is curated to, like, martial arts demonstrations, scientific discoveries.
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  It's all athletic achievements.
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  Speaker 3: Music, kids playing the violin, all that stuff. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's all, like, enriching.
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  Speaker 3: It shows you can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and kids aren't even allowed on it after 10 p.m. So, like,
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  you have to put in your age when you do it,
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  and at 10 p.m. it bricks you. Go to work, bitch.
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  Go to sleep. Get up in the morning and now.
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  Speaker 3: TikTok does that. I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I've read that. The Chinese version of TikTok. So the
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  Chinese version of TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: And the government makes them do that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're smart. It's not good to censor people, but if
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  you want to have a society that's not captured by horseshit,
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  that's the way to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm Hungarian. My parents are Hungarian. When I was
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  a kid, I was born in England, but we'd go
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  back to Hungary. And this thing I always remember. being
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  really pissed off about when I was a kid. Um,
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  not that the TV was before anything, it was just TV.
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  It's all you had was television. But on Mondays in Hungary,
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  there was no television because they wanted people to do
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  other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Just on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It was something, maybe I'm getting this right. And
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  it was like, go out, talk to each other, do stuff, sports, whatever.
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  It was just, and it was communist regime. So they
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  can do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But you think, you know, They were thinking.
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  Speaker 1: I prefer freedom.
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  Speaker 3: But well, that's what I think all about. All of
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  this is so hard. Like even when you look at
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  like just today, there's the this massive trial, this meta trial.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Meta.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lawsuit. Today's the first day of the trial.
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  Speaker 1: What is the trial?
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  Speaker 3: They're suing meta for one point four trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Trillion.
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  Speaker 3: Trillion. Trillion with a T.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not going to get that. But that's
• 17:47
  the claim.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: It was just today. Claims it addicted children to social media.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And they're doing this through lawsuits. And I'm just so
• 17:58
  torn over this because I've got a very strong point
• 18:00
  of view about all of this and kids.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: But there's something about this that doesn't feel right in
• 18:07
  terms of just going after these big platforms. Because in
• 18:10
  the end, I think it's the phones. It's the... There'll
• 18:13
  be something else if it's not meta. It'll be another thing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote about this year, 2015. So soon
• 18:20
  after we did that show, I was probably working, and
• 18:23
  at the time I had a book called, I published
• 18:24
  a book called More Human, Designing a World Where People
• 18:27
  Come First. And the kind of main thing in the
• 18:30
  book was everything's too big and bureaucratic and centralized, and
• 18:34
  we've got to get back to the human scale. So
• 18:36
  it's mainly about other kinds of policy areas. But I
• 18:39
  did write about this thing in kids and tech. And
• 18:41
  I said at the time, you know, kids under 16,
• 18:44
  I said then, Shouldn't have smartphones. You can give them
• 18:48
  other phones to stay in touch, but smartphones, bad idea.
• 18:50
  It's the screens. And so I see all this going on.
• 18:54
  And I think, yeah, have a go.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: At Meta or whatever.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: WhatsApp or YouTube, I think they're coming for as well.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: They're coming for YouTube. That's interesting.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are.
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  Speaker 3: There's already been a couple.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: User-created television.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I think it's the screens though.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Right. But the screen is the problem, right? It's not
• 20:23
  the content creators. That's what I'm– And if they are
• 20:25
  coming after YouTube, then they're kind of coming after me, right?
• 20:28
  Because like I'm making people addicted to listening to people talk.
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  loses would be determined by the court. They also want
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  court-ordered changes to Facebook and Instagram, potentially including parental verification
• 21:00
  for teen accounts, changes to recommendation algorithms characterized as dopamine manipulating,
• 21:05
  removing or limiting like counts, infinite scroll, autoplay, appearance-altering filters,
• 21:13
  multiple accounts, and Disappearing content such as stories.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: What?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: People love that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I know. So they're trying to really micromanage.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but disappearing content such as stories is kind of
• 21:24
  interesting sometimes. Like my friend Adam Greentree, he's a bow hunter,
• 21:29
  and he goes hunting, and his Instagram stories– like depict
• 21:34
  each day of these hunts. And it's really fascinating because
• 21:38
  he takes these crazy adventures where he goes deep into
• 21:41
  the Colorado Rockies by himself for like 28 days. And
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  he's like camping out in the snow. And it's cool.
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  It's cool to watch. So it's not all negative. So
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  our AI sponsor, Perplexity, who we've pulled this information from,
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  very large financial judgment but also– Mandated product redesigns affecting
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  how minors and potentially all users experience Instagram and Facebook. See,
• 22:09
  the problem is as soon as the government gets involved
• 22:13
  in mandating product redesigns, we're fucked. I agree. Because they're
• 22:17
  not going to make it good for us.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: There's not a chance in hell. Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It's just– Manipulating.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: They get involved and they'll probably get them to give
• 22:27
  them some money.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And then when you start getting– and you could imagine
• 22:31
  these bureaucrats sitting around micromanaging. I mean they've got too
• 22:34
  much of that already.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: 100 percent. Yeah. One of the things that we– So I.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Get it's a problem, but this isn't the way to go.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: No.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: There's a relaunch of MySpace that is– Yes. And so
• 22:47
  MySpace is apparently attempting to relaunch and be algorithm-free. And
• 22:52
  this is their idea. They're thinking the algorithms are designed
• 22:56
  to keep you engaged and get you dependent and get
• 22:59
  you hooked. And they're doing it by making you outraged
• 23:02
  for the most part, right? And what they want to
• 23:04
  say is, look, why don't you just find what you
• 23:06
  want to find and we'll have it on here?
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Which is probably a lot better.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, my feed would be all things only
• 23:14
  that I'm interested in, not things that piss me off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Well, that was the big change they made to the
• 23:19
  news feed versus what you were doing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yes. incredibly confident incredibly like potent in its impact on
• 23:27
  children in particular and me I'm a child I'm a
• 23:30
  little kid I fucking I get hooked we all get
• 23:33
  hooked you get hooked on nonsense and just paying attention
• 23:36
  to stupid things and it just eats time and that's
• 23:40
  what is that's the commodity the commodity is your attention.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly but you've got with kids I hear actually
• 23:46
  all the time it's not discussed like a political issue
• 23:49
  like we talk about gas prices whatever But then I've
• 23:52
  done a lot of events last, whatever, year and a half,
• 23:56
  like really a lot, thousands and thousands of people sometimes,
• 23:59
  big events, small round tables, you hear a lot of people.
• 24:02
  And the first set of things they talk to you about,
• 24:06
  because they think you're a candidate, this is politics, let's
• 24:10
  talk about taxes and gas prices and the kinds of
• 24:12
  things that you think they sort of assume to be
• 24:16
  part of the political conversation. But then when you raise
• 24:19
  something like that, like the kids and the screens, that
• 24:23
  totally changes the conversation. And suddenly they're like intense and
• 24:30
  kind of really kind of angry in a totally different way.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: In what way?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It's like, what are we supposed to do? It's like,
• 24:38
  for parents, it's like with the screens and the social
• 24:42
  media and then the video games and now it's AI
• 24:45
  and they're talking to AI and then the AI is
• 24:46
  doing the homework. Like, what are we supposed to do?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up video games. Because video games
• 24:52
  are far more addictive than social media. Video games are
• 24:57
  insanely addictive and no one is trying to get rid
• 24:59
  of that. It's because these things can change the way
• 25:02
  people think. They can change public opinion and they can
• 25:05
  move people in certain directions. I attribute it to the
• 25:09
  rise of the democratic socialists. I attribute it to the rise.
• 25:13
  I mean it's a lot of this manipulation, these ideas
• 25:17
  like people are really getting– oh, maybe being socialist is cool.
• 25:20
  Like this is all coming out of social media, 100 percent.
• 25:23
  It's not natural that people are sitting around reading Marx
• 25:28
  and going, what a great idea. Like let's implement this.
• 25:31
  They're not doing that. Very few of these quote-unquote Marxists
• 25:35
  that you find on social media are even aware of
• 25:39
  the consequences, the historical consequences.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Of these strategies and what it ultimately leads to, which
• 25:45
  is like checkers. It's like real simple. Like you're going
• 25:49
  to have a military that controls everything you do. As
• 25:51
  soon as you give up everything to the state, well,
• 25:54
  the state has the guns and you have nothing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And then they tell you what to do.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: They tell you what to do.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It sucks. It doesn't mean that that's the way to
• 26:01
  do it because capitalism is brutal.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Capitalism needs some fucking guardrails. That's for sure.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Everything needs to be, but you've got like, No, I
• 26:09
  totally agree. I always joke about it, but it's kind
• 26:12
  of true. It's like Mamdani with the state-run grocery stores.
• 26:15
  We had that when I was a kid. I literally
• 26:18
  went to them in Hungary. It was a communist state.
• 26:21
  There was only state-run grocery stores. I saw them. There's
• 26:24
  one at the end of the block where my grandma lived,
• 26:27
  and I would go there in the morning to get
• 26:29
  whatever it was, and it's just terrible. It's really.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I'm very torn on social safety nets. I think we
• 26:37
  should have them because I think a person who's down
• 26:40
  on their luck where things go wrong, like a woman
• 26:43
  who has children and her husband dies and she doesn't
• 26:45
  have an income. And now, Oh my God, I have
• 26:47
  to feed these children. Yeah. We should have social safety nets.
• 26:51
  I also think social safety debts encourage people to rely
• 26:55
  on them and have zero ambition. I think both those
• 26:57
  things are true.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm so, um, I've always been against,
• 27:02
  I can see the argument for, but I've always been
• 27:04
  against this universal basic income type thing. Um, There's an
• 27:08
  argument for it where it's like quite a low level.
• 27:11
  And the original guy that I think used to argue
• 27:14
  for that was on the right, Milton Friedman.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: And Charles Murray, I think, also argued for it coming
• 27:19
  from the right. But their version of it was to
• 27:22
  replace everything else. So you wouldn't have any other benefits.
• 27:26
  You wouldn't have any other government services.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Right. No Medicaid. No nothing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Just an amount of money based on– it's very simple,
• 27:33
  less bureaucratic, and that's it. But this is not what's
• 27:37
  being argued now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: No, I think that would actually probably be financially more
• 27:40
  efficient because you would radically reduce the amount of government.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and the bureaucracy.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, radically reduce the amount of people that have control
• 27:48
  over other people.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And you would say, listen, we're going to cut out
• 27:51
  the middleman and just give the money to people. That's
• 27:54
  not a bad idea.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: So I had a– I got– and it was very
• 27:57
  funny in that like you say these things before you
• 28:00
  ever imagine being a candidate. And they come back and
• 28:03
  it gets sort of twisted.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Part of the problem with welfare is, and this is
• 28:07
  going to sound completely like I'm contradicting myself, but it's
• 28:11
  not enough money. You barely live.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: But this is exactly what I was saying. So I
• 28:17
  was in that book. I think in that book, the
• 28:19
  2015 book, More Human, I had this idea based on
• 28:22
  what you're talking about, which is actually for a lot
• 28:25
  of people. things like the minimum wage, for example, is just,
• 28:29
  you can't live on it, especially like in California now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: But in a lot of places, it's so low, the
• 28:34
  costs are so high, you can't live on it. And
• 28:36
  there's a lot of people working really hard, like not
• 28:40
  lazy on the couch playing video, seriously hardworking people, often
• 28:44
  two jobs, who can't live on what they make. It's
• 28:46
  like really wrong, I think. If you work so hard,
• 28:49
  you should be able to live on it. So I
• 28:50
  had this idea, which was the business-friendly living wage. And
• 28:55
  the idea was... You increase the minimum wage to a
• 29:00
  living wage, which is calculated.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: What do you think that would be?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Well, it's by area. It's different everywhere. You know, in California,
• 29:09
  in a lot of places, it would be incredibly high.
• 29:11
  You know, a lot of really high levels.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: $ 30 or $ 40 an hour?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Well, because you've got now in certain counties in California,
• 29:18
  more than, I think it goes up the whole time,
• 29:20
  the official government level for low income is $ 100, 000 a year.
• 29:23
  Low income.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: It's crazy because it costs a lot.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, if you made $ 100, 000, you
• 29:30
  were killing it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: My dad makes $ 100, 000. I'm like, whoa.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: So in my campaign, I had this– one of my
• 29:37
  first things was no state income tax. under $ 100, 000. I
• 29:40
  got the working class tax. A lot of people nationally said,
• 29:47
  that's so high. Why are you rewarding rich people? Actually,
• 29:50
  the feedback we got in the primary was that's too low.
• 29:53
  And there's a ton of people in California making, I
• 29:56
  don't know, $ 120, 000, that sort of thing, who can barely live.
• 29:58
  Because everything's so expensive. You're in L.A. or somewhere expensive.
• 30:01
  So we've raised it to 150 tax-free. But going back
• 30:04
  to the living wage thing, that's obviously really tough for
• 30:08
  a business to pay that kind of level. I used
• 30:11
  to run– I ran a restaurant. You'd be killed by
• 30:14
  that kind of high thing. But at the same time
• 30:17
  as you've got businesses paying people for full-time work that
• 30:21
  they can't live on, the businesses are also paying taxes,
• 30:25
  payroll tax, all this stuff. They're paying to the government.
• 30:28
  And then the government is taking it and handing it
• 30:31
  back to the workers in benefits and welfare. So my
• 30:36
  thing was, why don't you just cut out the middleman
• 30:39
  and have the businesses pay the workers, not the government?
• 30:42
  And then the net effect for businesses is about the same. Well,
• 30:45
  that would be the goal. So they're paying their workers more.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Isn't it the same amount? That doesn't make any sense.
• 30:53
  Because what is minimum wage in California right now?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just gone up. It depends where you're looking. $ 15? No,
• 31:01
  $ 16 and a bit. And then for fast food, it's $ 20.
• 31:04
  And they wanted it for.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Healthcare workers, $ 25. That was a recent thing, though, right?
• 31:08
  And a lot of people pushed back against that. And
• 31:10
  they wound up cutting a lot of jobs.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that went through. So it's $ 20 for fast food workers.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And then it immediately cut a bunch of jobs.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And put in automation.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's got to be some jobs that
• 31:21
  are entry-level jobs for kids.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, and that's really important. They used to be.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: The problem is you're not supposed to make a living
• 31:27
  off of that. You're supposed to be a kid that's
• 31:30
  learning how to work. You show up on time. You
• 31:34
  get your paycheck. You realize the taxes get cut out
• 31:36
  of it. You're like, what?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: All that stuff. Like it's good for kids to have–
• 31:40
  but once you get past entry-level jobs, then, OK, like
• 31:45
  if someone is a landscaper or someone is like doing–
• 31:47
  this is a job. You work 40 hours a week.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Paying someone $ 15 an hour to work 40 hours a
• 31:54
  week is kind of brutal.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's horrible. Exactly.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: You barely can get by.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: But because we've built all of this bureaucracy, certainly in California,
• 32:04
  all I really know is California, and just the level
• 32:07
  of the government in all its forms is so big,
• 32:11
  you're paying all these taxes. And the taxes are coming
• 32:14
  out in all these hidden ways. Gas taxes. housing taxes
• 32:19
  that they don't call a housing tax, but is that
• 32:21
  everywhere you look, they've got these things that they're charging you,
• 32:26
  but which makes everything more expensive. And what, what do
• 32:29
  you get for it? This bloated bureaucratic government that's not
• 32:32
  actually helping. And he's actually making it harder to run
• 32:35
  a business, harder to build anything. And so I think that's,
• 32:40
  and this is the, I used to call it this
• 32:41
  doom loop that the Democrats who in charge, even they,
• 32:44
  they get it right. They get the people are really
• 32:47
  struggling and, People can't afford stuff. So what's their response? Oh,
• 32:51
  we got to, you know, make give them more welfare.
• 32:54
  And we've got to take put taxes up in order
• 32:58
  to get more money to redistribute. But that just makes
• 33:01
  everything more expensive. They never think about, well, why don't
• 33:03
  we just cut the costs? Why don't we just reduce
• 33:07
  the amount that we're taking so that people can have more? Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But then they would have to cut out their slush
• 33:12
  fund because that's really what it is. It's a big ass,
• 33:15
  big ass slush fund. One of the things that we
• 33:17
  pointed out was that the number of people that are
• 33:21
  moving to California and even living in California, it shrank,
• 33:26
  but government doubled. Yes.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: There's so many insane facts like that.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they say, oh, we've created so many jobs. Like, really?
• 33:35
  Have you? Have you really created an actual job or
• 33:40
  have you figured out another way to increase the government
• 33:44
  and make more taxes work for whatever the fuck NGO
• 33:49
  you have or nonprofit you have? Like someone pointed out
• 33:53
  that there's this guy, this guy, these really funny reels
• 33:56
  on Instagram and how much things cost versus like what
• 34:01
  you could get for. And, you know, he was talking about, like,
• 34:04
  some new thing they're doing for the convention center. It's
• 34:08
  like a $ 5 billion renovation. And he was, like, listing
• 34:12
  all the different things. And one of them that you
• 34:13
  could give, like, every single person on Skid Row some
• 34:17
  fucking preposterous amount of money. And you just realize, like, oh,
• 34:22
  they don't want to fix any of this. Like, the
• 34:24
  people that are working for the homeless he was talking about,
• 34:27
  the average salary was, like, $ 800, 000. There was just one
• 34:30
  last week.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: This woman... Runs a homeless nonprofit, $ 1. 6 million a year salary.
• 34:37
  Homeless nonprofit.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Nonprofit.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And she's killing it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly. She's a millionaire. There's another one yesterday. He's like,
• 34:45
  I don't know, some business. Again, it's a nonprofit, $ 2. 6
• 34:48
  million a year.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And here's the most important thing. the homelessness only got worse.
• 34:53
  Like in the private sector, imagine if you were a
• 34:56
  CEO of a company that was just losing insane amounts
• 34:59
  of money and never completing its tasks, never doing the
• 35:03
  thing that it set out to do.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: This is the main thing. I think it's like the
• 35:06
  more I look at it, the more insane it is.
• 35:10
  And everyone just looks at it and no one's ever
• 35:12
  pointed this stuff out. Like they all just, the government
• 35:17
  just makes everything so expensive in California. Everyone says, Oh,
• 35:20
  it's so expensive. What are we going to do? We'd
• 35:23
  better give them more welfare benefits.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we'd better have a billionaire wealth tax.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Billionaire wealth tax.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Or steal money from the richest people without addressing fraud
• 35:33
  and waste at all.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: But by the way, the richest people already pay about
• 35:38
  half the income tax, the top 1%.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. There's a small number of people in California alone
• 35:45
  that are responsible for an extraordinary amount of the tax base.
• 35:49
  Just a very small number of people. And you're scaring
• 35:52
  them away.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: But they just– they don't have that mentality of cutting costs.
• 35:58
  Because they get.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Paid no matter what.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: This is what I said during COVID. I said I
• 36:04
  think the mayor should get paid dependent upon the GDP
• 36:09
  of the city.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So like if the city– like if you lose 70
• 36:13
  percent of the restaurants, which like Los Angeles did during COVID.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Garcetti should have lost 70% of his paycheck. If you
• 36:22
  lose like 70% of businesses, you should lose 70% of
• 36:25
  your income. And I guarantee you they would be more
• 36:28
  friendly to business if that happened.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And they don't care. And this is what happens.
• 36:34
  I think when you've got this one party rule thing
• 36:37
  that's been going on for 16 years now, they've run everything.
• 36:41
  They don't care. Because they think they'll be in power forever.
• 36:45
  And it just doesn't matter.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And it seems like they will. Look what they did
• 36:48
  to Spencer Pratt.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: What they did to Spencer Pratt was so transparent that
• 36:54
  even Democrats admit there's something weird about the fact that
• 36:58
  Nithya Raman all of a sudden got way more votes
• 37:01
  than Karen Bass in the mail-ins. And people voted for
• 37:06
  an increase in taxes.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. Nobody votes for an increase
• 37:13
  in taxes.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And actually, in recent years in California, anything like that
• 37:16
  has been voted down.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: In the last few years.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And it was only the mail-in ballots that turned it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the... They're fucking dirty.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: People.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Well, people bring it up the whole time. And I say, yeah, whatever.
• 37:32
  This is the... They've made it legal, right? This is
• 37:35
  not illegal. And the scam... It's so bad. We've looked
• 37:39
  into a few of these. We were just, you know,
• 37:44
  through the year, we've been following some of this money.
• 37:48
  It's just everywhere you look. So cannabis, right? They legalized cannabis,
• 37:52
  Prop 64 in California. And there's a tax. And the
• 37:56
  tax is part of selling it to the public was
• 37:59
  we're going to have the tax and it's going to
• 38:01
  pay for substance abuse prevention. Isn't that nice?
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: So we looked into it. $ 350 million of that goes
• 38:10
  to this nonprofit with some nice sounding name about health.
• 38:14
  And then you actually track the money. They give out
• 38:17
  these little grants, a million each, a million here, $ 750, 000 there,
• 38:20
  to 500 or so other nonprofits. And then you look
• 38:24
  at what they do. Voter registration, ballot harvesting, all of
• 38:28
  this shit. I mean, this is what they do.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Stealing money.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: And we're paying for it. Yeah. There's so many examples.
• 38:35
  We've just found a few of them. I mean, remember,
• 38:37
  they've doubled the budget of California more than in the
• 38:40
  last 10 years. These are the numbers. This year, the
• 38:43
  budget is just over 350 billion, the total budget. 10
• 38:47
  years ago, it was 170. And everything's worse.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: It's so bad. My other favorite example is that, I mean,
• 38:56
  there's so many. I just, every day you learn about
• 38:58
  these crazy things. Prisons, they've been shutting the prisons, which
• 39:02
  I totally disagree with. because whatever, that's a different story.
• 39:06
  But in the time they basically cut the prison population,
• 39:11
  it's not quite half, but nearly. The budget has doubled.
• 39:15
  I mean, it's just....
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's so transparent. Like, look what they
• 39:23
  did in Los Angeles with the fire relief money.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, fire aid. That was disgusting. So disgusting. You
• 39:30
  had people, good-hearted people, wanting to help their own money.
• 39:34
  That's supposed to be charity.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: And it's going into this political slush fund.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It went all of it into nonprofits.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And not just one nonprofit, like 200 different nonprofits. Spencer
• 39:45
  Pratt laid it all out, like how they do it
• 39:46
  and what they do. And no money went to anybody
• 39:49
  who lost their home.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: None.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Which should be illegal.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: They've legalized all of this. That's the point. And so
• 39:58
  I always say, yeah, we've got this system, but there's
• 40:01
  only one answer in advance of being able to get
• 40:04
  in power and do something about it is we just
• 40:06
  got to get every vote. We've got to get every vote.
• 40:09
  And I know people look at this race and say, well,
• 40:11
  you're never going to win. It's hopeless. I don't think
• 40:13
  that's true. I think that actually people are really pissed off.
• 40:17
  If you give them a sense that we can really,
• 40:19
  this is not a hopeless cause. And I think we're
• 40:22
  showing that we've just got to, I mean, he's, I've
• 40:24
  got this guy running against me. Who's just a complete joke.
• 40:27
  I mean, he's, who is it? He's called Javier Becerra.
• 40:31
  He was Biden's health secretary. He was, I mean, I
• 40:36
  want to say one thing before I'd say the most
• 40:39
  important thing about him, but since we've been just been
• 40:42
  having a go at him, telling the truth about what
• 40:45
  he did as Biden's health secretary, his score has been
• 40:48
  coming down with not that much effort from us. And
• 40:51
  we don't have money. We're a scrappy startup, right? They've
• 40:54
  got this big machine, the government unions, they just, you know.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Roll on.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: He's like the first poll that came out in the
• 41:02
  race was just after the primary. It looks, it's over.
• 41:06
  What's the point? You know, 61, 36. He had 61.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I had 36.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: The next one is like 55. This is just the
• 41:14
  other week, 55. I think I had 37. There's one
• 41:17
  we just heard about where the gap's under 10%. So
• 41:21
  no one wants this to go on in California. There's
• 41:24
  a majority who want to get rid of this. But
• 41:28
  it's just been this sense that it's impossible and we
• 41:31
  just have to put up with it or leave. And
• 41:33
  I think if we change that attitude... I think people
• 41:38
  are going to vote this regime out. It's so bad.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Well, we've seen the map, the electoral map that they
• 41:46
  put out from 2020 versus 2024. And the difference being
• 41:51
  you look at all the counties that went red that
• 41:54
  used to be blue where people are freaked out. The
• 41:57
  problem is these high population urban areas where people live
• 42:02
  in these liberal bubbles, which is Los Angeles, is the
• 42:05
  craziest version of that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And Los Angeles County is 23% of the vote in
• 42:10
  all of California.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Let's put this into perplexity. Ask perplexity how many people
• 42:16
  in Los Angeles are on SSRIs.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. I didn't think that's where you were going.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I would like to know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of people that are–
• 42:28
  they're medicated. And it's part of what helps them agree
• 42:32
  to this nonsense is that they're in this zombie catatonic state.
• 42:36
  from antidepressants and antipsychotics and anti-this and anti-that and anxiety medication.
• 42:42
  And they're fucking cloudy. They don't see things. And they're
• 42:47
  surrounded by this echo chamber of people that only agree
• 42:50
  with them. No reliable public count of current SSRI users,
• 42:54
  specifically in Los Angeles. But a reasonable rough estimate for
• 42:58
  Los Angeles County is on the order of 500,000 to 700,000 adults.
• 43:00
  Not a precise head count. Now, how many people are
• 43:06
  in Los Angeles?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: There's 10 million in the county.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. I think that's way low. I think that's way low.
• 43:13
  I bet it's 10 times that. I bet it's everyone.
• 43:19
  I think, no, all bullshit aside, I bet there's a
• 43:22
  few million. Los Angeles County has roughly 7.8 to 8
• 43:24
  million adults. If about 11 to 17% take antidepressants, roughly
• 43:26
  60 to 70% of antidepressant users take an SSRI. The
• 43:34
  implied range is 530 to 950, so maybe a million.
• 43:39
  I think it's probably a few million. I know a
• 43:41
  lot of people that are on them, man. I think
• 43:44
  it's like more represented in Los Angeles. There's also this
• 43:47
  idea that you need a medication because you have an imbalance.
• 43:51
  You need medication.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: It's over-medicated. It's really bad.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Well, also the imbalance thing has been disproven. It's not real.
• 43:59
  It's not what it is. And then there's also– there's
• 44:01
  a reality of your physical being, OK? If you live
• 44:05
  a sedentary lifestyle, you eat terrible food, your physical body
• 44:09
  is going to feel like shit and you're not going
• 44:11
  to be happy. That's just how it works as a
• 44:14
  human being.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Totally right.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: It's like if you're feeling down or pissed off, literally
• 44:19
  do some exercise.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: My friend Hassan Ahmad, you'll see him tonight at the Mothership,
• 44:23
  hilarious comedian. He has a great bit about like the
• 44:26
  people that are in these commercials. that are playing basketball,
• 44:29
  they take the medication, and now they're playing basketball and
• 44:31
  drinking water and having fun. He goes, yeah, that's the
• 44:34
  actual solution to depression. Yes. It's not take the antidepressant. No,
• 44:37
  it's totally right. It's fucking do something athletic.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Get active.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Drink water.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Have a community that you enjoy hanging out with. That's
• 44:46
  what keeps people from being depressed. And they've been sold
• 44:49
  this bill of goods that you have a chemical imbalance
• 44:52
  in your brain. Well, that narrative– was never supported by
• 44:56
  science and has now been completely dismissed.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: That's not true.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: We're just doing it still. I mean, funnily enough, that
• 45:02
  was what I, I, I, one of the chapters in
• 45:04
  that book, 2015, but more human was about health. And
• 45:07
  it was all that. That's what I wrote about, which is,
• 45:10
  this is crazy. We've got, and in fact, when I
• 45:13
  was in 10 Downing street, you, you know, you, I
• 45:16
  was the senior advisor to the prime minister and you're getting,
• 45:19
  and mainly I focused on domestic policy. That's what I
• 45:21
  focused on. And you're there, you're at, You know, in
• 45:24
  10 Downing Street, you get meetings. You can have meetings
• 45:26
  with kind of everyone will come in and have a meeting.
• 45:30
  And I was really focused. We got the National Health Service,
• 45:33
  which is what the left want here. The Medicare for
• 45:35
  the single payer health care, whatever. That's what there is
• 45:38
  in the UK. And it's funded by the government, by taxpayers,
• 45:43
  100 percent. And so it's part of the budget, which
• 45:46
  is one of the problems. It's always competing for money
• 45:49
  against everything else. And so there's a real conflict. reason
• 45:54
  to try and get the cost down because you're funding
• 45:57
  it out of the budget for everything else. And so
• 45:59
  health promotion is or should be a really big part
• 46:03
  of it. And I wanted to really do much more
• 46:06
  on that, that you should actually use the National Health
• 46:08
  Service to try and make people healthy instead of all
• 46:11
  the sickness stuff. So I had all these meetings trying
• 46:14
  to understand, you know, the Royal College of this, the
• 46:17
  Royal College of that, all the cancer people. Oh, they
• 46:20
  all came in. It was so hilarious after kind of
• 46:23
  Months of these meetings of like, what do we need
• 46:26
  to do to make people healthy? It's the simple, basic
• 46:29
  things in the end.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: What you just said. Nutrition.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Eat healthy. Take exercise.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Sleep enough.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Drink a lot of water.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah. All of those things. Like all these geniuses
• 46:43
  of science and whatever. And I said, honestly, it's so basic.
• 46:48
  But then I was just seeing today there's this awful story.
• 46:52
  about the mother who killed the children. Awful story. And
• 46:58
  she had really bad depression, postpartum depression, and was asking
• 47:03
  for help and all this. And they just kept giving
• 47:06
  her this medication. And she was saying, I think there
• 47:09
  were texts to her mother saying, this new medication they've
• 47:12
  got me on is really making me feel even more
• 47:16
  anxiety and I don't know what's going on. Help, help, help.
• 47:19
  And they showed all the medication she was on In
• 47:23
  the run up to this. It's shocking. Like so shocking.
• 47:27
  Just the amount of stuff they're loading her up with.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: That must have sent her over the edge.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: When you look at the commercials. For these things. And
• 47:38
  then you see the possible side effects. Like who in
• 47:43
  their right mind. Would take something for depression. Which has
• 47:47
  side effects. Which causes suicidal ideation.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: What? What?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I thought you were curing depression. Your side effect is
• 47:56
  I might want to kill myself? Like, it's like, this
• 47:59
  is a cure for depression too. Blow your brains out.
• 48:02
  No more depression. Like, it's a cartel. It's a cartel
• 48:08
  in the United States. I mean, it is a sanctioned tax.
• 48:12
  It's publicly traded. It's a fucking cartel. And they buy
• 48:17
  off politicians and they pass through regulations.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing I see. not just on this,
• 48:22
  but on, on everything. Again, it's just an eye opener.
• 48:26
  I kind of suspected it, but when you see just
• 48:30
  how cynical it is, this kind of corrupt, I don't
• 48:36
  know what you want to call it. You know, machine politics, this,
• 48:40
  I don't know, in Sacramento where they literally buy what
• 48:43
  they want. They buy the legislators that pass the bills
• 48:47
  that help their interest, whatever it is. And, That's why
• 48:53
  nothing really changes. And no one knows what's going on.
• 48:56
  No one follows it. There's all these laws they pass
• 48:59
  that end up with things happening in the real world
• 49:02
  that normal person would say, how the fuck did that happen?
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Well, that's, you know, three years ago, someone put in
• 49:09
  a bill that was probably written by the lobbyist for
• 49:12
  whoever it was that even the legislator who put their
• 49:16
  name on it, probably never read it. And then suddenly
• 49:19
  it's the law and all these bad things happen. And
• 49:21
  that's what's going on.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Now, what could you do differently? If you get an office,
• 49:26
  like how much of this crazy entangled machine can you unwind?
• 49:33
  Not let's imagine. Yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I've thought about it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: People wake up, they go, Steve Hilton's making a lot
• 49:38
  of sense. Let's vote him in. And then even the
• 49:40
  liberals like secretly run out and vote you in. It's
• 49:42
  got to be too big to rig because that's the thing.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Because the mail-in ballots.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: By the way, can you believe, and I will get
• 49:50
  into it, but did you see Kamala Harris the other day?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: She was at some conference or whatever doing her sort of,
• 49:57
  maybe I'll run for president again. Yeah, good luck.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I know. The last one was pretty successful for only
• 50:03
  spending $ 1. 4 billion. I know. She's very. She lost every
• 50:07
  single swing state.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Like. It's very funny. I sort of talk about it
• 50:12
  a lot because my guy, Becerra, he was asked the
• 50:16
  same question that she was asked. Do you remember when
• 50:19
  she went on The View?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: And it was like, what would you do differently? And
• 50:23
  she said, oh, nothing comes to mind.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: You haven't thought of it? So he was asked, Becerra,
• 50:32
  my opponent, and he was on CNN, and the guy says, look,
• 50:36
  It's obvious things aren't going well. To be fair, the
• 50:40
  interviewer said, look, we've got the highest, he listed a
• 50:42
  few of the things, highest unemployment rate in America, which,
• 50:45
  by the way, no one can believe, but we have
• 50:47
  the highest unemployment rate of all 50 states, highest poverty rate,
• 50:51
  cost of living is a nightmare. You know, what would
• 50:53
  you have done differently? He says, well, it can't be
• 50:59
  that bad because people are still coming to Disneyland and
• 51:03
  the beaches. That's what he said. And then So no
• 51:07
  policy changes?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: No.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Kamala was at this thing the other day and
• 51:15
  she starts talking about the election and how... I don't
• 51:18
  know if she wasn't aware that Trump and MAGA had
• 51:22
  this slogan that was a massive part of their thing,
• 51:26
  too big a trick. So she starts saying it as
• 51:28
  if it was a completely new thing. She said it
• 51:30
  the other day. You know, the thing that we have
• 51:33
  to do is make sure we get a really... You know,
• 51:35
  we've got to get everybody... To coin a phrase, we
• 51:38
  have to make it too big to rig. She said it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: She said it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: So she's alleging that it was rigged the last time?
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what she's talking about.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what amount of election fraud there is,
• 51:52
  but it's not zero.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: It's not zero.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: It's never been zero. And the real weird one for
• 51:57
  me was how many more votes Biden got in 2020
• 52:02
  than any other president ever. We have a lot of
• 52:06
  work to do because, you know, these folks are cheating.
• 52:08
  They're trying to rig the system. They're trying to draw maps,
• 52:12
  all of it.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: What?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: You mean stuff that the Democrats have already done?
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's so hilarious.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. We have to make it too big to rig.
• 52:20
  We have to turn out in big numbers, jump all
• 52:23
  over these obstacles they're trying to throw our way. We
• 52:25
  have to make it too big to rig. What are
• 52:28
  you saying? Like, how are they cheating? Like, how is
• 52:31
  she alleging they're cheating? The idea that that's the best
• 52:36
  they can do is so insane. It's so wild. It's
• 52:42
  so wild. And it's because if you want to run
• 52:45
  for politician, they will– if you don't follow their narrative
• 52:50
  and their plan to a fucking T, they're going to
• 52:55
  come for you. And they're going to destroy you. And
• 52:57
  it's usually some creepy sexual thing. They're going to find
• 53:00
  someone who says that you did something to them in
• 53:03
  college or high school or whatever it is. And they'll
• 53:05
  come up with as many things and throw them your way,
• 53:08
  as many things as they can find. And they get
• 53:11
  rid of you. And they get rid of all of them.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, lucky they don't think I've got any
• 53:15
  chance of winning. I think that's why they haven't done that.
• 53:18
  But just on that, though, it's interesting. It makes me
• 53:21
  think this whole system, this corrupt thing. that I've encountered.
• 53:26
  And I don't want to lose your question about, um,
• 53:28
  what I would do. I've thought about that a lot,
• 53:30
  but it just, it's a, it's sort of amazing, but
• 53:35
  not amazing. I knew it was like this, but to
• 53:38
  see it is something else.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: The scale of it. Yes.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: So even things you might not imagine, like, um, okay,
• 53:45
  a couple of, so there's the chamber of commerce, right?
• 53:48
  It's called Cal chamber in California and it's all the
• 53:52
  big businesses. And, Running a business in California is an
• 53:57
  absolute nightmare. That's why they're all leaving. That's why Elon left.
• 54:01
  That's why so many companies leave.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Fuck the loss in and out.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And every day, there's a new one that's announced. And
• 54:08
  then every day, I meet business owners, big, small, medium,
• 54:14
  who say, we're just hanging on to see if you
• 54:16
  can make it. And if you don't, we're out. Right?
• 54:20
  Every day. Chief Executive Magazine... has an annual survey of
• 54:25
  business conditions. I think it was out in April. California,
• 54:29
  50th out of 50 states. And I think it's been
• 54:32
  like that for 12, 13 years. So it's like a
• 54:35
  disaster what's going on. The Becerra who's running against... 50th
• 54:39
  out of 50 states for business climate. So Alaska's better.
• 54:43
  Every state in America is better.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: North Dakota, South Dakota, Florida, Tennessee.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: All right. So you would think that when you've got
• 54:52
  a choice between two people, right, one of whom explicitly says,
• 54:58
  I'm not going to change anything. That's Becerra. And me,
• 55:02
  who's someone with business, most of my career has been
• 55:05
  in business. When you do the ballot, you're allowed three
• 55:07
  words to describe yourself. I actually wanted to do it
• 55:11
  fairly because I've done a bunch of different things. And
• 55:13
  so I went through every year since I left Oxford, 1990s,
• 55:17
  36 years. And the majority of my career has been
• 55:20
  in business. And most of those years running my own businesses.
• 55:24
  So I put small business owner. That's the three words,
• 55:27
  small business owner. And like in a choice between that,
• 55:32
  you would think the California Chamber of Commerce, which represents business, would...
• 55:39
  obviously want the guy who's pro-business instead of the guy
• 55:42
  who's going to keep up this....
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Anyway, we have this... The money's still there for now,
• 55:49
  and they're getting that money.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Well, there is... This is what it is. It's this
• 55:53
  kind of... It's all of that crowd, right? And we
• 55:56
  have these endorsement meetings, and then they pick him. They
• 56:00
  endorse the other guy, and then they say, we think...
• 56:04
  Their statement was so full of shit. It was like, oh...
• 56:08
  we it's time for unifying blah, blah, some completely bullshit
• 56:13
  political thing. Now, of course, because I went in there
• 56:16
  and I said, we got to change direction. The policies
• 56:19
  are hurting business, whatever. I just said what I think.
• 56:22
  And they went for him because they, all they actually
• 56:24
  care about is the power and they think he's going
• 56:27
  to win. And so they want to be in with him.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: And then the other one that was like that, that
• 56:31
  was in a way even more shocking was the police.
• 56:34
  So the police, uh, whatever it's called, PORAC, the Police
• 56:38
  Officers Association, something, their union. That same kind of thing,
• 56:44
  you go to them and you try and get their endorsement.
• 56:48
  By the way, I said at the beginning of this
• 56:49
  whole process, it's a waste of time because they will
• 56:54
  only care about their thing that they want to get
• 56:58
  more money for whatever it is. And so I don't
• 57:01
  want to give them that because that's wrong. And so
• 57:04
  they won't endorse me. I'm just telling you. Sure enough,
• 57:07
  we have this meeting and I'm completely on the side
• 57:12
  of the law and order thing. It's gone crazy. The
• 57:15
  defund the police, um, the insanity of how they deal
• 57:19
  with crime. We got to reverse all that prison closures,
• 57:21
  all these things. Um, and he's not said anything about that.
• 57:25
  He just more of the same insanity. They endorse him.
• 57:30
  And then they told us why, because he promised to deliver, uh,
• 57:36
  on the one thing they really cared about, which is
• 57:38
  some bill that would increase their pensions.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Why don't you agree to that bill?
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Because the pension, one of the reasons that the taxes
• 57:48
  are so high and everything is like, for example, you
• 57:54
  look at schools. Everywhere I go, parents are saying, what's
• 58:00
  going on? We pay the highest taxes anywhere. like state
• 58:04
  income tax, property tax, all these taxes. And then we
• 58:08
  have to pay. The schools are asking us to pay
• 58:11
  for basic supplies like paper, books, like cleaning materials. And
• 58:18
  the lottery money is supposed to go to schools as well.
• 58:20
  And they're saying what is going on. Parents are really
• 58:22
  furious about it. One of the reasons is because of
• 58:25
  the way they've done the pensions for the teachers. You know,
• 58:28
  you want people to have good retirement. That's true. But
• 58:30
  like a fifth, I think it's about a fifth of
• 58:32
  the money. before it's even spent in the schools, goes
• 58:34
  to the pensions. It's a really, really bad situation.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I'm torn because I think they deserve pensions, particularly the police.
• 58:43
  And I think I'd like to know what percentage of
• 58:46
  the budget. I mean, think about, listen, let's talk about
• 58:50
  money that's gone to places where it vanished, like the homeless.
• 58:54
  $ 24 billion. Yeah, at least. At least. And even though
• 59:00
  they've tried to get an audit of it, Newsom vetoed that.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: He vetoed it, exactly.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Twice, right?
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: And in LA, there was a parallel in LA. There
• 59:10
  was a lawsuit that ended up with a judge demanding
• 59:14
  a similar audit. And the estimate was just for LA,
• 59:18
  it was $ 2 billion. And Karen Bass vetoed the audit
• 59:21
  in LA.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Let's imagine that $ 2 billion instead went to fund the police.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Better training. You know, better conditions, better morale, better pensions,
• 59:32
  higher quality of people that you're hiring.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Totally agree with that. We need to massively increase the
• 59:38
  numbers of police.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Now, imagine what an impact that would have on
• 59:42
  the encampments, on enforcing these laws. You already have laws.
• 59:46
  They're just not enforcing.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to camp on the street.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: The homeless encampments are illegal.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: They're illegal.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. My first point on my
• 59:53
  plan is. enforce the law. They're illegal.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Well, imagine what it's done to real estate in downtown.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: It was the downtown real estate group, business group that
• 1:00:03
  filed that lawsuit that I was talking about for LA.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Los Angeles is the only place in the country
• 1:00:08
  that has a useless downtown.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: One of the biggest cities in the, and I forgive,
• 1:00:14
  I mean, forgive me if you have a great business
• 1:00:16
  in downtown and you love the funky aspect of being,
• 1:00:20
  there's wonderful restaurants in downtown. I've traveled to them. But
• 1:00:23
  it's fucking sketchy. I took my kids once to get
• 1:00:26
  donuts in downtown and we were walking on the street
• 1:00:29
  and like every step of the way, you're like, is
• 1:00:33
  this guy going to attack us? Is that guy crazy?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I literally had it the other night. We got in
• 1:00:37
  from somewhere. We were staying downtown right by City Hall
• 1:00:43
  and got in quite late. I wanted something to eat.
• 1:00:46
  The hotel didn't have anything, whatever. And so I just
• 1:00:48
  walk around. Trying to find it. It's a Saturday night.
• 1:00:51
  It's not super late. It's like 8, 9 p.m. It's
• 1:00:54
  just unbelievable.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Zombies.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Zombies. The stink of like shit and piss.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's disgusting. Shit and piss everywhere. And it's
• 1:01:04
  a public health problem.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: And you walk around and you think, how is this possible?
• 1:01:08
  It's the second city of America. We're the richest country
• 1:01:11
  in the world. And we're the richest state. I mean,
• 1:01:14
  you're being ripped off. Like that, and this is what
• 1:01:17
  we end up with.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about just Skid Row.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you on the police. I mean,
• 1:01:22
  LAPD is saying that by the time the Olympics is
• 1:01:25
  two years away, they will have half the number of
• 1:01:28
  officers that they should have.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Half.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: And yet our taxes are the highest in the country.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: They've just increased the taxes in L.A., Local sales tax
• 1:01:39
  has gone up.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: What I was getting to was imagine Skid Row. So
• 1:01:42
  Skid Row is roughly 50-something blocks, right?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: So 50 blocks where no one wants to buy a building,
• 1:01:47
  50 blocks where no one wants to put up a business.
• 1:01:51
  No one wants to lease a building for 10 years
• 1:01:54
  if you've got encampments right in front of it. You
• 1:01:57
  can't even clean them up. You can't tell them to move.
• 1:01:59
  You can't ask them to not shit on your porch.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: There's nothing you could do. So just think about all
• 1:02:05
  the tax revenue that's being lost, all the business being lost,
• 1:02:08
  and all of those areas in downtown that is completely
• 1:02:11
  unsafe and contaminated.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable. The last time I went, I've been
• 1:02:15
  a few times, we went with this. They've destroyed the
• 1:02:20
  word nonprofit now. I don't even want to say that,
• 1:02:22
  like an actual charity, like a really nice.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: A real one.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: A real one. who've done beautiful work. It started off,
• 1:02:28
  they were trying to save the dogs. And what they're
• 1:02:31
  doing with the dogs is just unbelievable. Using the dogs
• 1:02:34
  to test their drugs.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: They use the dogs to make sure the drugs don't
• 1:02:36
  affect them.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: It's just disgusting. Anyway, so they started off with that.
• 1:02:39
  It was just a woman who's driving by and saw
• 1:02:42
  a dog in distress. This was a few years ago.
• 1:02:44
  And around that has built this beautiful charity. It's going there.
• 1:02:47
  We were there on a Sunday. They're giving out clothes
• 1:02:50
  and stuff trying to help people. And she knows all
• 1:02:51
  the people. But this time, for some reason, I was
• 1:02:54
  even more infuriated than before. Because it's like if you're
• 1:02:58
  the mayor of L.A. or the governor of California and
• 1:03:01
  this is going on, what are you doing? How can
• 1:03:04
  you do anything else before cleaning this up? It's so disgraceful.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it was there when they got there and it's
• 1:03:10
  sort of accepted that Skid Row in particular is always
• 1:03:14
  going to be there.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: It's so bad.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: It's been bad for a long time. You know, I
• 1:03:18
  did Fear Factor in downtown L.A. We filmed a lot
• 1:03:21
  of our episodes in downtown L.A. Because there was a
• 1:03:23
  lot of abandoned buildings because of Skid Row. That's a
• 1:03:27
  big part of it. But also Los Angeles lost a
• 1:03:30
  lot of its manufacturing, just kind of like evaporated for
• 1:03:33
  whatever reasons. So one time I was driving home and
• 1:03:36
  I took the wrong turn and I was like, what
• 1:03:38
  the fuck is this? And it was just an entire street.
• 1:03:42
  filled with people in cardboard boxes and tents and garbage everywhere,
• 1:03:47
  just piles everywhere. I was like, this is great. And
• 1:03:50
  this was like 2004, 2005 maybe. It was bad back then.
• 1:03:57
  It's just tucked away into this old place. We looked
• 1:04:00
  at it. There was a documentary about the Cecil Hotel
• 1:04:04
  because there was a woman who drowned in one of
• 1:04:06
  the tanks. And apparently they thought that she was murdered.
• 1:04:09
  But then when they got the surveillance footage, it seems
• 1:04:11
  like she had a schizophrenic episode. She stopped taking her
• 1:04:14
  medication and she jumped into the tank and drowned in there.
• 1:04:18
  So it was this whole thing of what the Cecil
• 1:04:21
  Hotel used to be like and that these people that
• 1:04:23
  come from other countries, they go, oh, we're going to
• 1:04:26
  rent this hotel in downtown L.A. Must be nice. It's
• 1:04:31
  a historic hotel. It's been around since 1835 or whatever
• 1:04:35
  the fuck it is. Like, oh, this should be great.
• 1:04:37
  And then you get there. You're like. holy fuck, you're
• 1:04:40
  in the middle of Skid Row. And it was part
• 1:04:43
  of the documentary. It was explaining how bad this area got.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: It's so bad. And also there's something about just the squalor,
• 1:04:52
  the filth, the total disrespect.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: They have medieval diseases that are emerging that we haven't
• 1:05:00
  seen in like 100 years.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. And I just think that it's amazing to me.
• 1:05:08
  It's truly amazing that this just rolls on and like
• 1:05:13
  nothing happens.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: It's not a state and national emergency.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: It's a scandal of the highest proportion.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: But no one goes there. That's the thing. As long
• 1:05:21
  as it stays contained– this was what this documentary was
• 1:05:25
  alleging is that the practice of moving people to Skid
• 1:05:29
  Row started– a long time ago. And what it was
• 1:05:32
  is to clean up Los Angeles and Beverly Hills. They'd
• 1:05:35
  find vagrants, they'd grab them, bring them to downtown, drop
• 1:05:38
  them off there.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: No, that's how it got started.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And then they kept them there. They literally contained them there.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Not anymore.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you see it everywhere. Well, they don't have
• 1:05:46
  to because now they know this is the place where
• 1:05:48
  you can go and you can get drugs and you
• 1:05:50
  can get food.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: And you get drugs from the government. I mean, that's
• 1:05:53
  the point.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: The government gives them drugs? Yes, they do.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: From what's called harm reduction, they call it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: What do they give them? What drugs?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: They give opioids. They give them opioids as a substitute
• 1:06:03
  for fentanyl.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: So what kind of opioids? I don't know exactly. Are
• 1:06:08
  they giving them like methadone, which is not really technically
• 1:06:11
  an opiate?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: I can't remember. They wouldn't let us in, actually. We
• 1:06:15
  tried to film inside. There's a guy just did get inside,
• 1:06:18
  Christopher Ruffo from Manhattan Institute, and he got in. He
• 1:06:21
  made a film about the crack pipes they're giving out
• 1:06:23
  or whatever.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: They give out crack pipes?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a little. I mean, I don't know
• 1:06:26
  if that was a. He made a, I don't know.
• 1:06:29
  I didn't see it myself.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Caring for those people.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: But it's just ridiculous. You've got, but it's everywhere. It's
• 1:06:35
  not just Skid Row. That's the thing that's so, like,
• 1:06:40
  I'm on the road the whole time. I see the
• 1:06:42
  whole state, like probably not many people do. And just
• 1:06:45
  there's something about the degradation, the squalor in so many places.
• 1:06:50
  Not everywhere, of course. It's beautiful. I love California.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Beverly Hills is gorgeous still. There's still a
• 1:06:55
  lot of places.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Whole lot more breaking and entering.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: A whole lot more home invasions.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: The home invasion is a huge thing. I mean, that's
• 1:07:03
  why one of the things, again, we're just trying to
• 1:07:05
  make a difference here. You know, you've got one particular
• 1:07:10
  thing with these home invasions. They're all wearing masks now.
• 1:07:14
  It's like a really big part that didn't used to
• 1:07:16
  be the case. And so we've been working on a
• 1:07:18
  plan that if you get enhancements for your sentencing just
• 1:07:22
  for covering yourself up, Because we've got to try and–
• 1:07:27
  there's no interest in trying to.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Stop this stuff. Not only that, there seems to be
• 1:07:31
  an interest in letting people out of jail who have
• 1:07:33
  committed violent crimes, which I would only do if I
• 1:07:36
  wanted to destroy a city.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to destroy a city, you would do
• 1:07:42
  it exactly the way they're doing it.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing is.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: The people who– And then you use a bunch of
• 1:07:50
  words like racism, systemic racism, whatever, discrimination. This is the
• 1:07:56
  reason why Mike has robbed 99 people over the last
• 1:08:00
  12 years.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the one thing that's good news, though, is the
• 1:08:04
  new DA is pretty good. Oh, that's good. He's good.
• 1:08:06
  He's good. I supported him. I saw him the other night.
• 1:08:09
  So he's really doing a good job. Shows that you
• 1:08:12
  can make a change, actually.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, he's up against the whole system and
• 1:08:16
  the political system. which is still captured by that kind
• 1:08:22
  of insane ideology. And so much of what you see
• 1:08:26
  going wrong in California is exactly that, is ideology over
• 1:08:30
  anything that's practical.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, and it's also you have to adhere to
• 1:08:35
  the narrative. Yes, exactly. Or you will be punished. And
• 1:08:38
  so everyone's scared. So they say a bunch of things
• 1:08:41
  that they, you know, they think make sense.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: There was a really... Like unbelievable example of it. There
• 1:08:48
  was a Democrat state legislator. I think somewhere like Santa Cruz,
• 1:08:54
  somewhere like that. This is a couple of years ago
• 1:08:56
  who voted the wrong way on a bill. that one
• 1:09:01
  of the government unions was pushing. I can't remember the details,
• 1:09:04
  but it was, like, offended, maybe it was the university teachers,
• 1:09:08
  something like that. A Democrat. And then they then funded
• 1:09:15
  the campaign of the Republican... Just to teach them not
• 1:09:21
  to step out of line. It's amazing.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a bunch of Republicans that they like to
• 1:09:26
  call rhinos. Republican in name only. There's a lot of
• 1:09:30
  those folks. They're basically Trojan horses. I think we have
• 1:09:35
  a real problem in this country where there's only two parties.
• 1:09:38
  I just– I think it's crazy. There's so many people
• 1:09:43
  like me for instance. That agree with a lot of
• 1:09:45
  the things that the left pushes and agree with many
• 1:09:48
  of the things that the right pushes. But some of
• 1:09:51
  the things the right pushes are fucking ridiculous. And some
• 1:09:53
  of the things that the left pushes are fucking ridiculous.
• 1:09:55
  But you have two choices.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: And you're defined by the worst members of each party.
• 1:10:01
  You're defined by the dumbest MAGA people versus the fucking
• 1:10:06
  Portland people. It's like these are your options. You have
• 1:10:09
  to be completely ridiculous people who believe in non-binary folk.
• 1:10:13
  And then you have people that are– think this is
• 1:10:16
  a Christian nation and we should kick out all the Muslims.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we– it's interesting because I thought about this
• 1:10:22
  when– not that– I didn't think about it that much.
• 1:10:26
  But there are a few people because I think for
• 1:10:28
  what I'm about to say, it doesn't work. But a
• 1:10:30
  few people say, oh, you should run as an independent.
• 1:10:32
  You shouldn't run as a Republican. Yeah. And I am
• 1:10:35
  independent-minded and I've never run for office. I'm not part
• 1:10:38
  of this machine. I don't– I'll just say what I think.
• 1:10:40
  Especially because no one thinks I'm going to win. I
• 1:10:42
  might as well just go for it and say what
• 1:10:44
  I think. But you're exactly right. You won't win.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: You won't win.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: There's just no way. Like when Bobby Kennedy was telling
• 1:10:52
  me that he was going to run as an independent,
• 1:10:53
  I was like, sheesh. Yeah, like Michael Schellenberger. Like, you
• 1:10:56
  fucking can't win.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Do you know Michael Schellenberger? Sure. He's fantastic.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: And he ran for governor twice as an independent.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, I tried to help. I
• 1:11:05
  put him on my shirt.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I think you knew he wasn't going to win.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Do you think that was the best?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he's– it's good for his career.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, OK.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: And it gives him an opportunity to speak his mind.
• 1:11:14
  He says a lot of very, very interesting and intelligent things.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: He's great. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I mean he's great at exposing a lot of horseshit.
• 1:11:24
  He's really good at that and he's very meticulous. He's
• 1:11:26
  a good journalist.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: No, I'm really doing it because I don't laugh. I
• 1:11:31
  really believe that I can win for real.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you might be able to because California is that fucked.
• 1:11:37
  California is that fucked. I think there's a lot of– look,
• 1:11:41
  we lived in a very liberal area when I lived
• 1:11:43
  in California. Everyone was very liberal and it was normal.
• 1:11:46
  It was like it was normal liberal, like what it
• 1:11:49
  used to mean. Like you believed in gay rights. You
• 1:11:51
  believed in women's rights. You believed in civil rights. Normal stuff.
• 1:11:55
  He believed in a social safety net, normal stuff. Like
• 1:11:57
  that was what it used to mean to be a liberal.
• 1:11:59
  Bill Clinton liberal.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: From like the 90s. If you listen to Bill Clinton
• 1:12:03
  talk today, he sounds like he's running for a Republican.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: And on immigration, have you seen these clips?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: He's more MAGA. Hillary Clinton was the most MAGA. All right.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: There's one the other day where she was– I hadn't
• 1:12:15
  seen before, which was so– it's like we can't have
• 1:12:20
  all these illegal immigrants and we have to– And it
• 1:12:24
  was about the health care. We can't be giving free
• 1:12:27
  health care to illegal immigrants because we cannot have incentives
• 1:12:30
  for more illegal immigrants to come.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Republican talking point.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Crazy. But it just shows you it's all bullshit. It's
• 1:12:37
  not real. Like this idea that if you're on the left,
• 1:12:40
  you're supporting science. You're supporting civil rights. They're telling you
• 1:12:45
  that to get your vote so they can steal money.
• 1:12:49
  That's all it is. As soon as you accept that,
• 1:12:52
  you realize like, oh, both parties are completely full of shit.
• 1:12:55
  They just fuck you in different ways.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: There's definitely– one thing I've noticed, there's– yeah, in the
• 1:13:03
  most– in Sacramento, in the legislature, they've– I think they're
• 1:13:07
  just– I don't know. Either they don't believe it or
• 1:13:10
  they've just been beaten down. And so you've had this–
• 1:13:13
  they've just gone along with it. But actually now, you've
• 1:13:16
  got a few Republicans in– California and they're friends of
• 1:13:21
  mine and we're working together. You wouldn't have heard of
• 1:13:22
  any of the people like Carl DeMaio, David Tang, Ali Macedo,
• 1:13:25
  the new leader in the assembly really actually have got this,
• 1:13:30
  you know, we're real kind of friends and allies in
• 1:13:35
  fighting back against the corruption. That's the big thing I
• 1:13:38
  think that you learn when you do is the, the,
• 1:13:41
  the interest groups, the big business, the big unions, they
• 1:13:46
  just completely captured the government. And I think it's fair
• 1:13:50
  to say the Republicans have been part of that. But
• 1:13:53
  there's a group of us now who really don't buy
• 1:13:57
  it and we're fighting back. I think we can make
• 1:13:59
  a big difference. They've got a two-thirds majority in the legislature.
• 1:14:05
  They call it a supermajority. It's been like that for
• 1:14:06
  more than 10 years. So they can do whatever they want,
• 1:14:09
  the Democrats. And the Republicans have been kind of irrelevant.
• 1:14:12
  If we can just win a few more seats so
• 1:14:16
  they don't have a supermajority, And if I can get
• 1:14:19
  elected and then we can start to chip away at
• 1:14:22
  it for sure.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to not let either party have
• 1:14:27
  complete and total control.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's right. I don't think this
• 1:14:32
  is just the Democrats. I think if the Republicans are
• 1:14:35
  in the same position, we have another unique set of
• 1:14:38
  corruption and problems that would be similar. They'd be finding
• 1:14:41
  other ways to steal money.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is the fundamental 100 percent agree. I mean,
• 1:14:46
  that's what I say to. And we, you know, we
• 1:14:49
  can see it in some of the numbers. I'm doing
• 1:14:51
  well with independents. We're getting Democrats come to my events.
• 1:14:53
  And one of the things I say is, like, it's
• 1:14:55
  just not healthy to have one party running everything. And
• 1:14:59
  for the last 16 years, in California, they've had all
• 1:15:03
  the statewide elected positions, governor and the other ones, attorney general, whatever,
• 1:15:08
  two-thirds majority in both legislative chambers, every big city, every
• 1:15:13
  big county, the state Supreme Court, 6-1-1. Democrat appointees. They
• 1:15:18
  just rub a stamp whatever they want. And it's just
• 1:15:23
  not healthy. And it gets into this mentality of arrogance
• 1:15:28
  where they just feel they can do whatever they want
• 1:15:32
  and no one's ever going to stop them. That's where
• 1:15:36
  we're at.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: And again, if the Republicans were in the same position
• 1:15:39
  of power, you'd have another different set of problems that
• 1:15:43
  was probably very similar because it's just how people operate
• 1:15:46
  when there's When they have control. It's just like if
• 1:15:50
  you have an authoritarian government.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Similar kind of a situation. You have no one's challenging
• 1:15:56
  your position of power. And you get to do whatever
• 1:15:58
  you want to do. And then you have a bunch
• 1:15:59
  of people that funded your campaign and gave you a
• 1:16:01
  bunch of money. And then they're helping you out with
• 1:16:03
  this and business deals to your uncle and this and that. Yeah. Well,
• 1:16:07
  you see it on the right.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: You saw it just now in Hungary with Viktor Orban.
• 1:16:11
  So I know Hungary well because my family still live there.
• 1:16:15
  And finally, after 16 years, he was in power, same
• 1:16:18
  amount of time as the Democrats in California. And by
• 1:16:21
  the end, it's all exactly what you're talking about, like
• 1:16:24
  just unbelievable levels of corruption.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's always if they have total control, they're
• 1:16:31
  going to be corrupt, especially if they don't have any oversight,
• 1:16:34
  if they can just get away with it like this
• 1:16:35
  homeless thing. where they've lost the $ 24 billion. And the
• 1:16:38
  governor could say, nope, don't look into that stamp. You
• 1:16:41
  can veto that. How is that legal? How is it
• 1:16:45
  legal that you could veto something?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: And actually, the amazing thing about that is that it
• 1:16:49
  was even the Democrat supermajority that did that, right? So
• 1:16:56
  the process was the state auditor. It was a Republican
• 1:16:58
  legislator that asked the state auditor to look at it.
• 1:17:02
  So it was initiated by Republicans. State auditor publishes the report,
• 1:17:05
  $ 24 billion missing. The legislature as a whole, which is
• 1:17:09
  two-thirds Democrat run, said, we need a proper audit.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: It was these guys.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: It was the Democrats.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: It was everyone.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because those Democrats weren't completely corrupt.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: You'd have to be completely corrupt to not look into that.
• 1:17:24
  I know.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. And then the bullshit excuse that they come out, oh,
• 1:17:29
  it's not necessary because of, like, oh.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: It's not necessary to look at where $ 24 billion went.
• 1:17:35
  And not just didn't work, but homelessness increased by a
• 1:17:40
  substantial margin.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Well, because the money, the answer to the question is
• 1:17:43
  very obvious. When we say that term homeless industrial complex.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: You look at it. It's basically got two parts to it.
• 1:17:51
  You've got the non-profits, like we talked about, that just
• 1:17:54
  keep getting the money. They've actually made it illegal to
• 1:17:58
  solve the problem. No, I'm not joking. It's illegal for
• 1:18:05
  state money to go to any of these organizations that
• 1:18:08
  require any kind of response from the homeless person. So
• 1:18:12
  you can't require addiction treatment, recovery, anything like that, job training, nothing.
• 1:18:19
  It's illegal. It's called housing first. So like obviously when
• 1:18:24
  you've got 80% and the fentanyl is a really big part.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: The idea that it's a housing issue is so preposterous too.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: So you've got the non-profits but then the other part
• 1:18:32
  of it which is where actually the bulk of the
• 1:18:34
  money is going are these crony developers. There's a very
• 1:18:38
  small group of developers, house builders that build these apartment units.
• 1:18:44
  They call it permanent supportive housing. The other, you know,
• 1:18:48
  shelter and they're, they're charging up to, I mean, a
• 1:18:53
  low ball estimate was about 600,000. There are some in
• 1:18:57
  LA and in the Bay area that are 900,000, a
• 1:18:59
  million dollars per unit to build, right? I've got a
• 1:19:03
  friend that builds apartments in the Bay area, right? You know,
• 1:19:07
  he said without all the government bullshit that goes around it,
• 1:19:10
  the layers of nonsense that they put in if it's
• 1:19:13
  taxpayer money, the union contracts, that you've got to use
• 1:19:16
  this kind of material, the environmental, all this stuff. You
• 1:19:19
  could build it for a quarter, like 250,000 per door,
• 1:19:23
  they call it, four times as much. That's where the
• 1:19:26
  money's going. And then you get the unit, whatever, they
• 1:19:30
  put the homeless person in there who's still addicted to fentanyl.
• 1:19:35
  And as I went, again, with a real charity in Venice,
• 1:19:37
  we went round, a guy who's a recovered addict, recovering
• 1:19:41
  addict and 23 years clean. And he's actually trying to
• 1:19:45
  help people. He actually hired, you know, he rents Airbnbs
• 1:19:48
  and he does group recovery and they have a recovery
• 1:19:51
  program they do together. He says like these guys that
• 1:19:55
  are getting the permanent supportive housing, it's like a second
• 1:19:58
  home because they're going back to the street to buy drugs,
• 1:20:02
  deal drugs because they're addicts. Yeah. And you're not changing
• 1:20:06
  the behavior.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: They're addicts and they're mentally ill. And so there's a
• 1:20:11
  massive influx of homeless people during the Reagan administration where
• 1:20:15
  they kind of like open the doors of the mental
• 1:20:17
  institutions and say, well, we're not going to fund this anymore,
• 1:20:19
  which is for public health and safety. That is a
• 1:20:23
  fucking terrible idea.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And they, but then the other thing about that,
• 1:20:26
  I completely agree is that they, then that's been incorporate
• 1:20:30
  that idea that you can't have mental institutions, insane asylums.
• 1:20:36
  There's this kind of, general sense that that's barbaric and
• 1:20:39
  you don't want people in these institutions and it's better
• 1:20:43
  to have them cared in the community. So that's incorporated
• 1:20:46
  into Medicaid. And so often with government, you've got to
• 1:20:49
  look at the money flows. And one of the things
• 1:20:52
  that's still there is this rule called IMD, Institutions of
• 1:20:56
  Mental Disease. And the IMD rule is that there's no
• 1:21:00
  reimbursement from federal Medicaid to to any treatment that happens
• 1:21:06
  in a facility with more than 16 beds. It's a
• 1:21:08
  very specific limit, 16 beds, because it's all based on
• 1:21:13
  this philosophy of we don't want big mental institutions. Okay.
• 1:21:18
  So that means that there's no incentive to have modern,
• 1:21:23
  large-scale mental health care. Right. Because there's all these small...
• 1:21:28
  things because you don't get any money back i think people.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Are also rightly suspicious of the potential for a medical
• 1:21:36
  health industrial complex.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Definitely and then that was.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Think of how many people imagine if they could just
• 1:21:42
  like have you ever seen that video of there's a
• 1:21:43
  guy who gets pulled over and the cops on the
• 1:21:47
  spot tell him that he's been evaluated as being mentally
• 1:21:51
  unwell and he needs to come in and the guy
• 1:21:53
  is completely calm and rational when he's talking to him
• 1:21:57
  And he's like, well, make an appointment and I'll go
• 1:22:01
  and get evaluated. And he's like, no, we're going to
• 1:22:02
  bring you in. He's like, what are you saying? Well,
• 1:22:05
  you've been deemed unwell. He's like, by who? I don't
• 1:22:07
  have– there's no ruling against me. It's really interesting. So
• 1:22:11
  apparently there's more to it. And this video went viral.
• 1:22:15
  Apparently there have been some videos of this guy where
• 1:22:18
  he posted online where he's acting kind of loony. I
• 1:22:21
  saw a couple of them. I was like, yeah, that's
• 1:22:23
  a little problem. A little problematic. But could also be
• 1:22:26
  he's acting out on camera. I don't know if he's
• 1:22:28
  doing this in real life, like just because someone's doing
• 1:22:31
  it in videos. So like a lot of people act
• 1:22:34
  out in video just for attention or maybe that's how
• 1:22:36
  he blows off steam, says wild shit like, you know,
• 1:22:40
  we need to eat the earth or I don't know
• 1:22:41
  what the fuck he's saying. So there's– but the video
• 1:22:44
  is very disturbing because– In that moment, if these police
• 1:22:49
  officers in Canada are supposed to be evaluating someone who
• 1:22:53
  doesn't have an official psych evaluation where he's been brought
• 1:22:58
  in and they said, you know, you have to be institutionalized.
• 1:23:00
  So that hasn't happened. And so they're pulling this guy over.
• 1:23:04
  And based on his interaction with them, he is completely
• 1:23:08
  calm and rational. In fact, like charitably so because they're
• 1:23:12
  saying something fucking totally preposterous and he's not yelling. He
• 1:23:15
  doesn't raise his voice. He's coherent. He's articulate. I want
• 1:23:19
  you to watch it because it's kind of crazy.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrifying.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Jamie, I'm sure you can find it.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was trying to find the update though.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: That's really terrifying.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: But let's just look at the actual video itself because
• 1:23:27
  the video itself is bizarre. Because without any context, and again,
• 1:23:32
  I think there is some context. There have been some
• 1:23:34
  videos where he acted nutty. And this guy might just
• 1:23:36
  be manic depressive where he's capable of keeping it together,
• 1:23:39
  like to pretend he's normal when the cops are there.
• 1:23:42
  But then as soon as he's on his own and
• 1:23:44
  no one's watching him, he goes insane. That is possible.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: But did they have any prior knowledge of him?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: What was that based on?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Someone had told them that he's off the rails, so
• 1:23:54
  they went in to go get him. But the thing is,
• 1:23:58
  shouldn't there be like some sort of an official psychiatric evaluation?
• 1:24:03
  Conservative influencer. Ah, he's a conservative influencer. Being held captive
• 1:24:07
  in Canadian– I don't know if that's.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Real or not. I just was trying to wait until
• 1:24:11
  I could get to.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: The video here.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, let's watch the video. Put your headphones on
• 1:24:15
  because the video is kind of kooky. And this is Dr. Emery.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: He's a resident psychiatrist, senior resident. He's on a rotation
• 1:24:23
  with the CAR 87. We're part of a program that
• 1:24:26
  includes Vancouver Coastal Health and.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: the Vancouver Police.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: And what we do is we go to people when
• 1:24:37
  there's different reasons that come up. Every case is a
• 1:24:39
  little different. And we go to people to see them
• 1:24:42
  where they are, especially if there's been issues with trying
• 1:24:45
  to find them and talk to them. So in your case,
• 1:24:50
  I think you were certified under the Mental Health Act Just,
• 1:24:54
  I don't know how long ago, but like maybe three
• 1:24:56
  weeks ago or four weeks ago, were you aware of that?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: Taylor saw you in a cafe. She didn't certify you.
• 1:25:02
  I think you filmed part of it.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: And this is Dr.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: Emery.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: And then she spoke with your family, got some more information. And,
• 1:25:14
  you know, you're going to have to turn that off.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: So just one sec.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: What the officer just told me is that, you know,
• 1:25:19
  you and I can set up.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: A meeting and we can chat then.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: So why don't we do that, okay?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not turning the camera off.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: I have a legal right to keep the camera on.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to make the appointment now, we
• 1:25:27
  can do it at another time.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: But that's what the officer just asked that we do,
• 1:25:32
  so why don't we do that?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: So I'm going to certify you under the Mental Health Act.
• 1:25:35
  We're going to bring you to a hospital, do testing
• 1:25:37
  on you, and... You're going to talk to a psychiatrist
• 1:25:41
  in a controlled environment because we don't believe that you're
• 1:25:44
  going to attend an appointment. I've never been given a
• 1:25:48
  chance to attend an appointment. So he's certified.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: I've never been given a chance to attend an appointment.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: I was never given a psyche val or nothing.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: He just looked at me and said, you're certified.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I don't know why, but it's up to
• 1:26:03
  the doctor.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: But no, he didn't even give me a val.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: He just looked at me and said, I'm certified. I
• 1:26:09
  get that.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Please consider what you're doing, and please think.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: About the fact that I'm more than happy to come in.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: For an appointment.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to go through and do everything properly. Okay,
• 1:26:18
  I've been completely compliant with everything.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, you've been really good with me, Nicholas, but listen...
• 1:26:22
  That's his call.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, we can't go back tonight.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: But he hasn't talked to me.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: You're interacting with me at a very regular.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I've never been given a chance.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: So I had some eggs and stuff for breakfast this morning.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: They didn't put drapes, so I had to tape this
• 1:26:38
  up because my window didn't have drapes. And so all night,
• 1:26:42
  there's just light beaming into my room. So I couldn't
• 1:26:45
  sleep last night, so I demanded that they give me tape.
• 1:26:49
  And stuff to put on my windows so that I
• 1:26:51
  could sleep tonight. I'm, like, one of the only rooms
• 1:26:55
  that has no drapes.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: Shangri-La, baby.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: How fucking strange.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Strange. So, here's the thing. Like, this doctor ran into
• 1:27:13
  him somewhere. Yeah. And said, I'm certifying you. Based on what?
• 1:27:17
  That's insane. And is he really a conservative influencer or
• 1:27:20
  is that a narrative? Like I don't understand what that means.
• 1:27:23
  Like if you are quote-unquote conservative and you have 1,000
• 1:27:27
  people on your Instagram and you rant and rave in
• 1:27:30
  a manic-depressive manner, is that– are you a conservative influencer
• 1:27:34
  now or is that like rage bait to get them
• 1:27:36
  to say like– but here's the thing. Like Canada has
• 1:27:39
  socialized medicine and they also have insane government ovaries.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: And if there was someone who was a rabble rouser
• 1:27:47
  online and that person happened to be acting a little kooky,
• 1:27:50
  wouldn't that be a great time? But meanwhile, how many
• 1:27:53
  fucking liberal– this is Vancouver, which is like Portland on steroids.
• 1:27:58
  Like how many kooky fucking people on the left are
• 1:28:03
  being pulled into mental hospitals and making these similar videos?
• 1:28:06
  Fucking zero, which is a little odd. But it doesn't
• 1:28:10
  mean that this guy is not a little off the
• 1:28:11
  rails because the videos that I saw– See if you
• 1:28:14
  can find some videos of him. They might have been
• 1:28:16
  pulled from the internet. But a bunch of people were saying,
• 1:28:18
  hold on. There's more to this. And they were showing
• 1:28:21
  some of the– here's the other problem. I don't know
• 1:28:23
  if those videos are real. Those videos could be AI.
• 1:28:26
  In this day and age, it's almost impossible to tell.
• 1:28:29
  You have video of this guy. You could say, have
• 1:28:32
  this guy screaming shit stuff about needing a vagina in
• 1:28:35
  the middle of his back. You could have anything. You
• 1:28:38
  could say anything.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: But this is why you've got to be so careful
• 1:28:41
  about authoritarianism creeping into government.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. That right there. First of all, I don't like
• 1:28:49
  his backseat. All that shit, boxes and stuff. That looks
• 1:28:53
  a little kooky. Like that fits that he might be
• 1:28:56
  losing his marbles if he's got, you know, stacks of stuff.
• 1:28:59
  Unless he's like leaving an office and moving stuff and
• 1:29:02
  put it in his backseat temporarily. It's a weird sign
• 1:29:05
  when the entire backseat is filled with boxes and trash.
• 1:29:08
  You might be losing your marbles. But he did sound
• 1:29:11
  like there's no, in my eyes, listening to him talk.
• 1:29:16
  There's no indication that this guy's a threat to himself
• 1:29:19
  and he must be institutionalized. That guy's more than capable
• 1:29:23
  of speaking in a very rational manner. So even if
• 1:29:26
  he's nuts, he's not that nuts. There's a lot of
• 1:29:29
  nutty people.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, who are much more dangerous. To me, this is
• 1:29:33
  very– like we were talking earlier about the medicalization and everything.
• 1:29:37
  And there's a trend here of this inhumanity that is really,
• 1:29:44
  really dark. I mean, did you see the... I don't
• 1:29:49
  know if you followed the back and forth with the
• 1:29:52
  AI guys on regulating AI and whether AI is positive
• 1:30:00
  or negative, that whole debate.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: Which.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Did you see Amadé, the anthropic guy?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: What did he say?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Just in the last few days, there was this....
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: I think it was on one of the other– on
• 1:30:14
  All In. That's right. Someone was talking about him wanting
• 1:30:19
  to have– like hyping up the doom scenario from AI.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: These guys that are hyping up the doom of AI
• 1:30:27
  are the actual people that were working on it. This
• 1:30:29
  is what gets scary.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Dario Amadei, who's the CEO and the founder of Anthropic.
• 1:30:34
  And he replied– so the argument was he's hyping it
• 1:30:38
  up because he wants regulation, government regulation– that will protect
• 1:30:44
  the kind of big incumbents against, you know, competition. That
• 1:30:47
  was the argument. And then he replied to the argument
• 1:30:50
  by saying he's had some stuff about regulation. Then is
• 1:30:53
  he did long posts on X. And the first one
• 1:30:56
  was about the regulation. The second one was about, actually,
• 1:30:58
  I'm not that I'm not Mr. Doom when it comes
• 1:31:01
  to AI. I've always said it can be really positive.
• 1:31:05
  And one of the things he pointed to was this
• 1:31:07
  essay that he wrote called machines of loving grace, 14,000 words.
• 1:31:12
  And that was his response to like being characterized as Mr.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Negative.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: When you look at this thing, it's so dark. Like
• 1:31:20
  he's going on about, well, there'll be no, um, we
• 1:31:25
  can foresee a time when human beings can't make useful
• 1:31:29
  contributions to the economy. Um, and the people won't have
• 1:31:33
  much to do and then they can play video games.
• 1:31:36
  And then at one point, there's the thing that made
• 1:31:38
  me think of it. Um, When he was raising, well,
• 1:31:42
  what are kids going to do? He starts going about,
• 1:31:44
  we have things like Ritalin and we know how to
• 1:31:47
  medicate people when they're depressed. So it's fine if they
• 1:31:52
  don't have a sense of Ritalin. Are you kidding me?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: If they don't have a sense of worth, we'll numb them.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Literally, that's what he wrote. And that's what he pointed
• 1:32:01
  to as him being Mr. Positive. It's just terrifying.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: So this is recently?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: This is within the last week. Okay.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: And what is his position in the company?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: He's the founder of Anthropic, the big two.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: The programmers, though, are the ones that are leaving and
• 1:32:18
  writing poetry.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: They're giving up on society and they're hiding and waiting.
• 1:32:24
  You hear about there's one lead programmer that read– he
• 1:32:27
  wrote some like basically a statement. As he was leaving,
• 1:32:33
  explaining the impending doom that is coming to civilization and
• 1:32:37
  how he's checking out and he's going to ride it
• 1:32:39
  out and see what happens. But he left the United States.
• 1:32:41
  I think he went to Ireland or somewhere like that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: And he said he's going to write poetry. Okay. Like, okay. Like,
• 1:32:48
  I mean, this is an existential crisis this guy's having
• 1:32:51
  while he's working. While he's working on it. Working on
• 1:32:53
  this thing and realizing this thing is conscious.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things that I feel is
• 1:32:58
  so odd about the two that have been most negative.
• 1:33:02
  are Amadei, Dario Amadei, he's anthropic, and Sam Altman, OpenAI.
• 1:33:08
  They're the most negative, or have been. And if you
• 1:33:12
  believe half the things they're saying, they're like, well, why
• 1:33:16
  are you doing it then? If you think this is
• 1:33:18
  the end of the human, whatever. I know they have
• 1:33:21
  dialed it back a bit, but why would you keep
• 1:33:24
  building something.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: That's so bad? When Peter Thiel got asked whether or
• 1:33:28
  not the human race should survive.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: What did he say?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: He paused for like fucking 15 seconds.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't read this, but the mention of Ritalin is
• 1:33:40
  like a good thing. We figured out how to improve
• 1:33:44
  ourselves with things like Ritalin and using AI could potentially
• 1:33:48
  make it even better.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: That AI will make Ritalin even better so we'll just
• 1:33:52
  be on awesome drugs? No, yeah, that we'll find better
• 1:33:55
  versions of drugs that are better than Ritalin. So instead
• 1:33:58
  of people finding meaning and purpose in life, it's just.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Not how it's being talked about.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Well, what is he saying then? Why does he need
• 1:34:03
  the medicine?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: Using Ritalin is not in the nothing to do and
• 1:34:05
  work and meaning discussion. It appears the speculation is just
• 1:34:07
  about the future of neuroscience.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. So what they're saying,
• 1:34:11
  they're talking about increasing the potency or making these things
• 1:34:15
  more effective for mental health interventions using AI. Okay, so
• 1:34:21
  he argues that AI-driven biology could enable much greater cognitive
• 1:34:25
  and mental health interventions than those available today. That's really
• 1:34:30
  wonderful if true. I personally know people that have been
• 1:34:33
  saved by SSRIs. I'm not a blanket SSRIs are bad.
• 1:34:38
  I have a friend that was severely depressed and suicidal,
• 1:34:41
  and I got him a psychiatrist, and he eventually got
• 1:34:44
  his life back in gear, weaned himself off him, and
• 1:34:46
  now he's great. So who knows? That guy could have
• 1:34:49
  made a hasty decision. And taken his own life. And
• 1:34:51
  if he was in Canada, they might have probably fucking
• 1:34:53
  encouraged it.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: So he's fine now. It's just the problem is they're
• 1:34:58
  ridiculously overprescribed.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: And there's another solution. The other solution is a natural
• 1:35:03
  human solution.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't involve medication. It involves exercise and nutrition and community.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: And we can all encourage that for free.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: You can fucking do push-ups and bodyweight squats. It doesn't
• 1:35:14
  cost you a nickel. You don't have to go to
• 1:35:16
  a pharmacy. Like all these things are already here. Like
• 1:35:20
  why are we developing addictive chemical solutions? Yes. Because they're
• 1:35:25
  all addictive, every one of them. I have a good
• 1:35:27
  buddy right now who got off of them. He was
• 1:35:29
  doing great and now he's back on them again because
• 1:35:31
  he's just– he's fucked. His system is fucked because he's
• 1:35:36
  been on them for 20 years. And it's scary because
• 1:35:39
  I know people that have been on them that have
• 1:35:41
  done rash things. And they just– they don't feel like
• 1:35:46
  they are themselves anymore. And then there's also the weird
• 1:35:48
  sexual side effects, the numbness of the genitals, inability to
• 1:35:52
  have orgasms. There's a lot of fucking weird shit attached
• 1:35:55
  to it when there's another solution.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: That's what's so– Here's some interesting context.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: According to Snopes, that guy was arrested after he posted this.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, the Vancouver thing.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: After he posted what? This document. This is not solicitation.
• 1:36:09
  If you find this document unattended, do not remove it
• 1:36:11
  from the property where it was placed unless you're the
• 1:36:13
  owner of said property. Removing this document would make you
• 1:36:15
  criminally liable for indictable offense carrying a penalty of up
• 1:36:19
  to 10 years in prison. So what is this document?
• 1:36:20
  It's on Google Docs.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: It's just a brief explanation. It's talking about how China
• 1:36:26
  and Canada are corrupt and making a dictator.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: It says China and the corrupt Canadian government are trying
• 1:36:32
  to turn Vancouver into a dictatorship police state. China has
• 1:36:36
  been classified as high-risk adversary by all long-term democratic security alliances, NATO, NORAD,
• 1:36:43
  the Five Eyes Alliance, the Canadian Center for Cybersecurity, even
• 1:36:47
  Carney himself during elections. Carney has committed treason via secret
• 1:36:51
  Chinese policing and law enforcement MOU, illegal Chinese police stations
• 1:36:56
  in Vancouver, selling Vancouver to China via the Aboriginal People's Undrip. Well,
• 1:37:01
  is he right? So that's right.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I have no idea if he's right or not, but
• 1:37:04
  it was saying he was not maybe an influencer, but
• 1:37:06
  a commentator. He had like 67,000 followers on Instagram.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, and this could be why they're saying he's nuts. Right,
• 1:37:14
  I guess. Because he's uncovering some shit that's probably going on.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, this is not exactly out
• 1:37:20
  of the mainstream to be.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Listen, the fucking mayor of Arcadia in California, they just
• 1:37:26
  found out was a Chinese spy. The mayor of a
• 1:37:30
  city in California.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: Well, just today there was more about Swalwell and Fang Fang,
• 1:37:35
  the Chinese.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: The guy wanted to be governor. He's like shacked up
• 1:37:40
  with a spy.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: I wanted to make the joke. So the very first debate,
• 1:37:44
  the very first TV debate, you know, you're kind of
• 1:37:48
  getting ready. And I really wanted to make a sort
• 1:37:51
  of Fang Fang Bang Bang joke. Fang Fang Gang Bang. Yeah,
• 1:37:55
  it's an obvious joke, right?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: So he admitted to physical relations.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he denied it for all the time. He
• 1:38:02
  denied it.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: So just today he admitted it?
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's just in the news today.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Well, was he trying to
• 1:38:07
  make a comeback? No, no, no. Bang the spy. Whoopsies.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I really wanted to make this joke about,
• 1:38:16
  you know, the Fang Fang. It's just so you can't
• 1:38:19
  resist it, right?
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: It's a funny name.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Fang Fang, Bang, whatever. Anyway, so and then he
• 1:38:24
  didn't show up and then And I think, well, he
• 1:38:27
  denied that it's, can I really say that? You've got
• 1:38:31
  to be– you've got to try and be accurate.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: But then he didn't show up to the debate because
• 1:38:36
  he claimed that there was– I don't know. He had
• 1:38:37
  some vote or whatever. So I never got to debate him.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: The idea that this kid in Canada is being brought
• 1:38:45
  into– for mental health evaluation in prison because he's uncovering that.
• 1:38:50
  That's not unprecedented. That's believable. I don't know if it's true.
• 1:38:55
  He might also have been a little kooky. Again, I
• 1:39:01
  don't know if the videos that I saw are real.
• 1:39:03
  But the videos that I– again, especially considering what we're
• 1:39:07
  talking about now. If you were trying to make someone
• 1:39:09
  look insane, that was uncovering some real serious corruption with
• 1:39:13
  a foreign government.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Which is possible.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Of course it's possible. And also it's America, right? We're
• 1:39:18
  in a huge country. It's like– beautifully crazy in many
• 1:39:22
  ways yes people can think what then they've got the
• 1:39:25
  internet and you get people will you know honestly all
• 1:39:28
  the time people are giving me you know they they
• 1:39:32
  shove things in my hand or an envelope whatever and
• 1:39:34
  I open it up every single time because half the
• 1:39:37
  time it's something that's you know something conspiratorial that isn't
• 1:39:43
  right or doesn't seem right and other times it's like
• 1:39:45
  really good ideas but the point is that they actually
• 1:39:48
  are useful Or they'll make me think about something in
• 1:39:50
  a different way. But the point is that, yes, there's
• 1:39:52
  lots of people out there with somewhat crazy ideas. You
• 1:39:56
  can't lock them all up.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: It's not just that. There's lots of real corruption. Yes, exactly.
• 1:40:01
  And if this guy posts this, and has there been
• 1:40:04
  an investigation? Do we know whether or not this is
• 1:40:06
  an act? Has it been completely debunked? Because if it has, oh, well,
• 1:40:09
  then maybe you're right. Maybe he's crazy. Or if it
• 1:40:13
  turns out that everything he's saying is true, maybe he's–
• 1:40:16
  A slightly crazy person who's also uncovering the truth.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Sometimes it takes obsessive people.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: That was the premise of that Mel Gibson movie.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Remember?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was crazy, but he was actually right.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was called Conspiracy Theory.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Was that with Julia Roberts? Yeah. It was fun.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: He was like a nutty dude who was onto things.
• 1:40:37
  He's basically like Alex Jones.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: That sounds really interesting.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: It's a good movie.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: You know, for the time. A little dated. You go
• 1:40:44
  watch it today, you'll.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: Be like, eh. One of the things is I went
• 1:40:47
  on the road the whole time. Like, long drives. It's California.
• 1:40:51
  And so I find some of these, you know, every
• 1:40:54
  now and again you just want something. You know, so
• 1:40:57
  there's a lot of movies, it turns out, that are
• 1:41:00
  big parts of American culture that I haven't seen. We watched,
• 1:41:04
  what was it the other night? Super bad. I'd never
• 1:41:07
  seen it. I'd never seen it. It's so good.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: It's one of the best comedies of all time.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: It was so good, and I'd never seen it.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I unfortunately tried watching with my kids when they were
• 1:41:16
  10 and 12. I'm like, here, sit down, watch this.
• 1:41:19
  And then we shut it off after three minutes. I'm like,
• 1:41:20
  this is, sorry.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: I forgot. It's so good.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Brilliant writing. I mean, it's not just like funny and
• 1:41:27
  a kind of slapstick with a bit of that, but
• 1:41:28
  it was just really clever.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: The scene where the kid's just sitting in class drawing dicks.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: It's so good.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: It's brilliant.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: It's so funny.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, could not make that movie today. And
• 1:41:39
  the people who made that movie would not make that
• 1:41:42
  movie today.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: We were literally talking about it. So my friend Eric,
• 1:41:44
  he's on my team. We've become good friends. You met
• 1:41:48
  him earlier. That's exactly what we were saying. They got captured.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: They got captured. That's the problem with being on the
• 1:41:55
  team of the left. They got captured by an ideology
• 1:42:00
  that destroyed comedy in their world, right? They cannot do
• 1:42:04
  that kind of comedy anymore. Nobody believes that you support
• 1:42:09
  all the things these people are saying. You're just showing
• 1:42:11
  a ridiculous human being who's saying some crazy shit and
• 1:42:14
  it makes you laugh. It's not changing the fucking world.
• 1:42:18
  It's not altering anybody's opinions. And it's not going to
• 1:42:20
  force people to do anything that they wouldn't ordinarily do.
• 1:42:23
  No good person is going to watch that movie and
• 1:42:25
  want to go out and do bad things. That's not
• 1:42:27
  how it works. It's just a piece of art. It's
• 1:42:30
  just like Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff, okay?
• 1:42:33
  It's a fucking piece of art. It's a piece of art.
• 1:42:35
  And it's a piece of art that we have fucked up.
• 1:42:38
  It's particularly movies because movies are attached to Hollywood. And
• 1:42:42
  then stand-up comedy fortunately has an out. And because of
• 1:42:46
  the internet, we don't need Hollywood anymore. But because of that,
• 1:42:51
  we now get labeled right-wing. Especially stand-up comedy that's like
• 1:42:56
  not adherent. And I don't want to call it anti-woke
• 1:43:00
  because that's silly because it's not anti-woke. It's just comedy.
• 1:43:03
  It's just like woke doesn't allow certain subjects.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: It should be anti-establishment. And when the establishment is taken
• 1:43:12
  over by an ideology, it happens to be that. But
• 1:43:13
  you go the other way when it's– The people in power.
• 1:43:17
  It's supposed to be against the people in power.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be what is funny.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: What is funny. Fair enough.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: What is funny.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Across the board.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: And as soon as you say, no, you can't make
• 1:43:26
  fun of this anymore.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Why? Yeah.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Why? It's a religion. It's basically like it's blasphemy to
• 1:43:33
  make fun of whatever you, whatever you decide.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that killed that kind of movie. Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Those fucking movies were everywhere.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: The Hangover. There was always a movie like that. Fucking,
• 1:43:47
  there's so many of them.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of them. We were just talking about it
• 1:43:50
  the other night.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ace Ventura Pet Detective, the whole premise was about
• 1:43:56
  a transgender woman. And you find out she's transgender and
• 1:43:59
  everybody throws up. Do you remember?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen it.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: You never saw Ace Ventura Pet Detective?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: No. I know. We've got to do a list.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: You're just too busy watching Monty Hall over there. Fucking
• 1:44:11
  Benny Hill reruns.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: My favorite Benny Hill thing.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Benny Hill was like.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying this, but I couldn't... For the first...
• 1:44:19
  There's someone... There's a friend of mine at Fox. She's
• 1:44:22
  called Kennedy. She's very funny. And she used to always...
• 1:44:25
  Do you remember Janet Yellen?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: She was the... She always called her Benny Hill. And
• 1:44:30
  then the minute I saw that, that I saw a
• 1:44:33
  picture of her the next time, I just.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Couldn't... Kennedy was an MTV VJ.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: She's great.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: And then she became a Republican talking head on Fox.
• 1:44:43
  I was like, that's nuts.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: She's a real libertarian, though.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Like someone's like on MTV with like a girl with
• 1:44:51
  glasses on. You're like, oh, progressive. For sure. And then
• 1:44:54
  winds up on.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: But she's cool. She's libertarian.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: She seems very smart.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: She's great. Very funny. She does Freedom Fest. She's like,
• 1:45:03
  that's a, she's a big part of that. The libertarian thing.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: She's great.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: How'd she go from being a VJ? Like, I don't know.
• 1:45:10
  Here's the next fucking, you know, she's from LA. She's
• 1:45:13
  very young.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: She's great.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: But I love, no, the comedy thing, like that's another
• 1:45:22
  joy actually. Um, so I used to really, so Eric's
• 1:45:26
  really into Louis CK. So I've, I'd seen a bit
• 1:45:28
  of him obviously, but, I've watched a lot now. He's
• 1:45:32
  so great. I mean, we've really enjoyed that.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Brilliant comedian. Brilliant.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: Brilliant.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it did some fucking weird shit, but, but
• 1:45:42
  the way they described it was so different than the
• 1:45:44
  actual acts themselves.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: His response to it was brilliant. That show where he
• 1:45:48
  addressed it was so good.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: He had a weird kink where he wanted people to
• 1:45:53
  watch him jerk off and he would ask them. And
• 1:45:55
  if they said yes, he would do it. Look, I
• 1:45:58
  don't think you should do that. I think it seems
• 1:46:00
  crazy to be standing in front of a couple of
• 1:46:02
  girls and jerking off in front of them. But I'm
• 1:46:05
  not him. OK. And I also didn't say if I
• 1:46:07
  said no, open the door, let me out. And then
• 1:46:10
  you wouldn't let me out. That's a different story. But
• 1:46:11
  that's not what anybody is alleging. It's just kind of
• 1:46:15
  gross and weird. And I think he would probably admit
• 1:46:17
  to that. But, you know, he did.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: And he had a very funny. I thought it was brilliant.
• 1:46:23
  I can't remember exactly. But the first big show he
• 1:46:26
  did after that. when he sort of returned from like being.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: His art though, is like what you got to judge. Like,
• 1:46:33
  what is he, as long as he's not done, did
• 1:46:36
  what like Bill Cosby did. Like that, that's a completely
• 1:46:38
  different thing. Yeah.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: It didn't seem that it was a kind of systematic,
• 1:46:44
  like really machine, like a predatory thing that was just
• 1:46:49
  a ongoing.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Is a weird kink.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: He had a weird kink. You want to jerk off
• 1:46:53
  in front of people?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Like, okay.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: It, it, It's– so look, I get that people would
• 1:47:00
  be upset and if you don't want to watch this
• 1:47:02
  comedy anymore, I get that too. That's fine. Everybody has–
• 1:47:05
  that's your prerogative. But like the comedy itself is some
• 1:47:09
  of the best comedy that's ever been written. It's exactly–
• 1:47:12
  Ever been done.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best to ever do it. I
• 1:47:14
  mean if you have a top whatever group.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Of comedians– gang here how do you like.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Well he's in new york um but he actually helped
• 1:47:24
  me design the club okay he came when it was
• 1:47:27
  bare bones um and we went over the club and
• 1:47:30
  he gave me a bunch of great suggestions and i
• 1:47:32
  implemented all of them the uh smaller our rooms are
• 1:47:36
  named after the nuclear bombs that were dropped on hiroshima
• 1:47:39
  and nagasaki so it's a fat man and little boy
• 1:47:42
  are our rooms There's a reason for that. The reason
• 1:47:45
  is actually that– because it's the comedy mothership. It's a
• 1:47:48
  UFO-based comedy club. The UFOs really started showing up in
• 1:47:53
  America after the nuclear bomb. So once the nuclear weapons
• 1:47:57
  program was implemented in the 1940s, the amount of UFO
• 1:48:00
  sightings went through the roof. And the real big ones
• 1:48:03
  were like Roswell, New Mexico, which is 47. So right
• 1:48:06
  after the war. So this is like part of UFO folklore.
• 1:48:10
  So that's why we did it. That's why we named
• 1:48:12
  him after the nuclear bomb and not making light of
• 1:48:14
  people dying in horrific nuclear bombs. So he told me
• 1:48:18
  to make the stage smaller. in the little room it
• 1:48:20
  was great idea I was like right why is the
• 1:48:22
  stage so big small room and then he also said
• 1:48:24
  can you it was already a low ceiling he's like
• 1:48:27
  can you lower it more I'm like we can lower
• 1:48:28
  it like right to the top of that door it's
• 1:48:30
  like you should do that and he gave me some
• 1:48:32
  advice on sound deadening in the room and what to
• 1:48:35
  do and make it you know how to make the
• 1:48:37
  sound crystal clear and Just great, awesome advice. And the
• 1:48:42
  beautiful thing about that club is I took advice from
• 1:48:44
  every comedian that was in town. I'd bring them there.
• 1:48:47
  I'd go, tell me what you think. What would you want?
• 1:48:49
  Like if you wanted to design a comedy club, I'll
• 1:48:52
  literally let you. Just tell me what you think. And
• 1:48:55
  we ran it through a vote. So there's a whole
• 1:48:56
  group of us. And it was like me and Brian
• 1:48:59
  Simpson and Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe and all these
• 1:49:02
  guys that were good friends of mine that we performed
• 1:49:05
  with all the time. We all just sat around. None
• 1:49:08
  of the ideas were like, I think we should do this.
• 1:49:11
  I didn't do that with any of them. I said,
• 1:49:12
  tell me what you guys want to do. And they
• 1:49:14
  were like, you should have this. Like, okay, we'll do that.
• 1:49:17
  We should have monitors in the green room. We should
• 1:49:19
  see the guy on stage. Okay, let's do that. What else?
• 1:49:21
  And everything anybody said, we did. We should have– Free
• 1:49:27
  mental health services for all the employees. So we did that.
• 1:49:31
  So free availability for counseling, psychiatry. We have that. Psychologists.
• 1:49:36
  They can all go to counselors. So that's free. Healthcare.
• 1:49:40
  Take care of everything. Give the comedians way more money
• 1:49:42
  than any other club does. We did that. We're just like,
• 1:49:45
  what does everybody want? What does everybody want?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: What does it look like?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Let's do it and let's do it in a way
• 1:49:50
  where we're just trying to make the best thing possible.
• 1:49:53
  We're not doing it like let's make the most money.
• 1:49:55
  We're just trying to not lose money. So let's just
• 1:49:57
  do it that way. And it worked. And it worked
• 1:49:59
  because of people like Louis C.K. and all these people
• 1:50:04
  that came by and gave us advice and told us
• 1:50:06
  what they think.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: Fantastic.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah. So Louis is great. I love him. He's
• 1:50:11
  a fucking really smart guy. But like a lot of
• 1:50:13
  smart guys, he's fucking weird.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: A lot of people– I think that about these AI people.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: You want to be a great comedian, you have to
• 1:50:19
  be a fucking weirdo. They're all just weird in different ways.
• 1:50:23
  Chappelle is weird in his way. You know, Chris Rock's
• 1:50:26
  weird in his way. Hinchcliffe's weird in his way. They're
• 1:50:28
  all weird. Shane's weird. Everyone's weird.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: It's an incredible thing to do, honestly. It's like really,
• 1:50:35
  in a tiny way, I'm not even comparing it, but
• 1:50:39
  I'm comparing this in terms of what I'm doing, which
• 1:50:41
  is you've got to go there and you've got, I
• 1:50:44
  don't know, just in the last few days, you've got
• 1:50:47
  hundreds of people and you've got to entertain them. Now,
• 1:50:52
  I'm mainly talking about politics. which is much easier because
• 1:50:56
  you've got, you know, material that's just obvious and out
• 1:51:00
  there and it's, but it's, you've got to keep them entertained.
• 1:51:04
  You can't be boring. You can't like, and it's, you know,
• 1:51:06
  you've got to give a good show. Yes. And so
• 1:51:09
  the thought of doing that and being funny for all
• 1:51:14
  of it, instead of what I do, which is throw
• 1:51:17
  in the odd joke, you know, political joke or something
• 1:51:21
  or self deprecating joke, you know.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: But that's just, that's nothing. But you're not focusing on that.
• 1:51:27
  If you focus on that, you could do it.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying, I now really appreciate how
• 1:51:32
  hard it is. Just, just the, it is.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: And it isn't. Joey Diaz has the greatest saying, he goes,
• 1:51:37
  it's the fucking hardest, easiest thing you'll ever do.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Because when you're flowing, it's easy. You know, when you're
• 1:51:44
  up there and you're killing, it's so easy. It's hard
• 1:51:47
  constructing the material.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: I was going to say a lot of preparation.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of preparation and there's a lot of
• 1:51:53
  time you have to spend alone thinking. And then you
• 1:51:56
  have to spend a lot of time bullshitting with your friends.
• 1:51:58
  Because sometimes like the green room conversations, some of us
• 1:52:02
  like Brian Simpson said something the other day and we're like,
• 1:52:04
  write that down. Write that down. We force each other like, right, dude,
• 1:52:07
  that's a bit. That's 100% a bit. And he started
• 1:52:10
  doing it on stage and it's killing. Like that happens too.
• 1:52:13
  And it's like. the camaraderie and the fun of like
• 1:52:16
  being together. Like it brews comedy.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: But you also need time in front of the fucking
• 1:52:20
  computer or the notebook. You need, you need to be
• 1:52:22
  sitting there going over your stuff. If you don't do that,
• 1:52:25
  you're not going to come up with new material. And
• 1:52:27
  then you have to try it out and you have
• 1:52:28
  to be willing to like trot it out there. You
• 1:52:31
  have this idea. It's only existed in your head.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: And you're kind of convinced that there's something there, but
• 1:52:37
  you're not totally sure. You're like, what do you think
• 1:52:39
  about this? And you just throw it out there. And
• 1:52:42
  sometimes it's great. And, it's like 50, 50, sometimes it's
• 1:52:45
  dog shit. And by it's 50, 50 to what I
• 1:52:48
  bring to the stage, whether it's even got life, but
• 1:52:52
  writing it down, it's like not even, it's like, you know,
• 1:52:56
  it's like the Canadian healthcare system for maid. It's like, what?
• 1:53:00
  One out of 20, one out of 20 is any good.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just really, no, I think it's, well, I, I,
• 1:53:06
  I totally appreciate what you're saying, but it's very, I mean,
• 1:53:10
  to me, it seems the ultimate, um, You're just putting
• 1:53:15
  yourself out there.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: You're definitely putting yourself out there. But you're also doing
• 1:53:18
  it this way too. Like when you're having conversations, maybe
• 1:53:21
  you're putting yourself out there even more because you're actually
• 1:53:25
  putting out your opinions and some of them you had
• 1:53:28
  no idea you were going to discuss. Right. So you're
• 1:53:30
  just trotting it out there thinking out loud in front
• 1:53:33
  of millions of people like we're doing right now. When
• 1:53:37
  you're doing stand-up, like, I know these... By the time
• 1:53:40
  anyone sees me perform at a club where they're paying money,
• 1:53:44
  most of those bits I've been doing. So I've been, like,
• 1:53:48
  I'm just trying to add to them and hone them
• 1:53:51
  and say them the right way and move the order around.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: That's why also I love about it because I really
• 1:53:57
  do love it and that's why I've really enjoyed... Like
• 1:53:59
  I said, Eric's really into it and he's shown me
• 1:54:02
  a lot of comedians I didn't know about. And.
• 1:54:06
  I love words and language anyway. I've written, but in
• 1:54:09
  completely different. I've written books and whatever, TV scripts when
• 1:54:12
  I did my show, that kind of thing. So I
• 1:54:14
  really appreciate language. And I love just how changing the
• 1:54:20
  order of a word or whatever can just make something
• 1:54:23
  work or not work.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's brilliant. Changing the order of a word,
• 1:54:26
  changing the way you do it. Sometimes you do it,
• 1:54:29
  like Louis used to do that. Where he would like
• 1:54:31
  reverse a joke, like turn it around, and then maybe
• 1:54:34
  he would like take it and do his best joke
• 1:54:37
  and open with it so that his jokes afterwards had
• 1:54:40
  to get better to follow his best joke. Yeah, it's
• 1:54:43
  a constant little fucking laboratory up there. And you need
• 1:54:47
  the audience in order to find the life.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: To whatever the hell you're doing. Do you see their faces? Like,
• 1:54:53
  can you see, or the light's too much in your face?
• 1:54:56
  Can you see?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: You can see most of the first few rows. Right.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Because that's important, must be.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: It helps.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: It definitely helps.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: It's not just listening to the volume of laughs, is it? Like,
• 1:55:07
  what is it?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: There's both things, but obviously they're there to have a
• 1:55:11
  good time. But my job's easier because I'm going on
• 1:55:16
  after they're already laughing, right? So there's been a few
• 1:55:19
  people on before me. Everybody's having a good time. And
• 1:55:21
  then- You're basically just connecting with them. You find them.
• 1:55:26
  What's up? How are you? You let them get comfortable.
• 1:55:30
  You connect with them. And then you're just doing the material.
• 1:55:33
  You're just finding the reality. You have to be like
• 1:55:37
  whatever you're saying, you have to be 100% thinking about
• 1:55:40
  that thing only.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: You can't be thinking, and then I'm going to say
• 1:55:43
  it like that. No, you have to be thinking about
• 1:55:45
  the thing. And that's it. That's the primary thought. You
• 1:55:48
  know the pacing of it. You know what's coming next,
• 1:55:50
  but you don't think about what's coming next. You think
• 1:55:52
  about the thing. And that's where preparation is important. You
• 1:55:55
  have to make sure that you have a set list
• 1:55:58
  and order. But you also have to be flexible because
• 1:56:00
  there's going to be moments where you want to dive
• 1:56:02
  out of that set order and something might happen in
• 1:56:04
  the audience or something might come up. and you have
• 1:56:07
  another thing, another take, and you're like, this would go
• 1:56:09
  better right here, so I'll shove this in here, and
• 1:56:11
  then you have to remember your order and go, I
• 1:56:12
  didn't do this, I'll put that later.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: It's so funny. It's not the same, but there's a similarity,
• 1:56:18
  because I do all these things, and you've got bits, really,
• 1:56:22
  which is my thing on high-speed rail. And sometimes, and
• 1:56:27
  there's a long version of it and a short version
• 1:56:30
  of it. Yeah, it's a bit. And then suddenly you'll
• 1:56:33
  find yourself doing it even though I hadn't intended to
• 1:56:36
  right and then oh shit that's like really long and
• 1:56:39
  I've got to finish like what am I going to
• 1:56:41
  cut so you it's very sort of I mean it's
• 1:56:44
  not the same but it's similar it's similar and I
• 1:56:46
  definitely find Trump does bits oh yeah and he goes
• 1:56:51
  on for so I'm never doing that long but.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Remember when he just did this impromptu bit about Biden
• 1:56:56
  losing himself on stage just wandering around not knowing where
• 1:56:58
  he was it's like he's doing stand-up like everyone's laughing
• 1:57:01
  exactly exactly.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: But I find it much better. I much prefer it
• 1:57:06
  when you're closer to the people, like physically, when you're
• 1:57:11
  not on some stage miles away, that kind of thing.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, comedy club's the way to do it. That's the
• 1:57:16
  real way. However, there's something very intimate about doing an
• 1:57:21
  arena in the round.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: So I've done a bunch of those where you're standing
• 1:57:27
  on a circular stage in the center of the people.
• 1:57:30
  And what's intimate about that is It's all the people
• 1:57:32
  over here are looking at all the people over here.
• 1:57:34
  Everybody sees everybody. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: You see each other. It's the right way to do
• 1:57:38
  it because that way everybody's seeing everybody else having fun.
• 1:57:42
  And they're a lot closer than you think they are.
• 1:57:44
  They're all right there. There's a lot of them. But
• 1:57:47
  the comedy like sprays out to the outer edges. But
• 1:57:51
  the center hive all around the stage, which is thousands
• 1:57:55
  of people in a 16,000-seat arena, you're looking in the
• 1:57:58
  eyes of 6,000 people plus. And it's like they're all
• 1:58:03
  seeing each other. It's very intimate, oddly.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: It's fun as opposed to like. a big arena when
• 1:58:12
  you're standing on a very high stage and the people
• 1:58:14
  are all out there that feels crazy that feels very
• 1:58:17
  detached that's a different that's not my favorite that's my
• 1:58:21
  least favorite is an arena where it's just a flat
• 1:58:24
  stage and you're not like surrounded by them.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah I agree It feels like you're just delivering something
• 1:58:33
  rather than connecting.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly. But a theater can be pretty intimate too. Like,
• 1:58:37
  especially when you're used to doing arenas. If I do
• 1:58:40
  like a 3000 seat theater, it's kind of intimate. It's like,
• 1:58:44
  it's all what you're comfortable with too. That's a part
• 1:58:46
  of it too. It's like, are you comfortable with all
• 1:58:48
  these people staring at you?
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I never, you see, that's the weird thing. I
• 1:58:52
  would never have, suddenly I'm doing, I've never done it before.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: And suddenly you have all these, you know, and it's amazing.
• 1:58:59
  I mean, I love, The response. But it is weird
• 1:59:02
  because I've gone from nothing to this. And you go
• 1:59:05
  in a room, there's like hundreds of people cheering.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: What's the biggest crowd you've had to speak in front of?
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: Probably when I did Megyn Kelly's show, when Megyn Kelly
• 1:59:14
  was here. Not here, in California. And I did a
• 1:59:20
  spot there.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: I did the announcements.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: It was in an arena in Bakersfield.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: The announcement for the UFC weigh-ins. So I emceed the
• 1:59:29
  weigh-ins at the Ellipse on the White House.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: So it was 80,000 people. That was fucking nuts. That
• 1:59:38
  was the most people I've ever talked to.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: And that was a very different way of talking because
• 1:59:44
  all I'm doing is reading people's names in their official way.
• 1:59:47
  It's very easy. Yeah. It's just hyping it up. Getting
• 1:59:50
  everybody pumped up.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: You know, like, ladies and gentlemen, Ilya Topurian. He comes
• 1:59:55
  out and everybody goes crazy. It's easy. But it's the vibe,
• 1:59:58
  the feeling of 80,000 people is fucking nuts.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: It's a weird feeling. You know, Shane Gillis, my buddy,
• 2:00:04
  just did stand-up.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: I heard. He sold 76,000 tickets.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia, right?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: A fucking football stadium. That had to be crazy. Well,
• 2:00:15
  you could.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: Do that easy if you wanted to. You'd get the people.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy thing to do. I don't know if
• 2:00:20
  I could do that easy. It's not easy. He broke
• 2:00:22
  the world record. And Shane's huge. And he's really funny.
• 2:00:26
  He's like one of the funniest guys ever.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good example. I'd never seen him before.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'd get him to come down tonight. I don't
• 2:00:30
  know if he's there. He did the Fox News dad one.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: That was the first thing I saw.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's got so many good bits. Have you ever
• 2:00:36
  seen his bit about George Washington's museum?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I would request it from him all
• 2:00:43
  the time. I'm like, please do that bit. It's so
• 2:00:45
  funny about George Washington's false teeth being made out of lead.
• 2:00:49
  It's such– because they were. It's such a crazy bit.
• 2:00:52
  It's so good. He's a great comedian.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: And that's all he cares about. That's what he loves.
• 2:00:58
  And he's like all in and just an awesome guy too.
• 2:01:01
  When you're around him, he's just so fun and like
• 2:01:05
  everyone always smiles. You're around him. He's like– he's contagious.
• 2:01:09
  He's a contagious party. Great. Fun guy. But we're really
• 2:01:13
  lucky that there's a lot of those guys here now.
• 2:01:16
  This is a giant hive of them now.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you've built that.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Well, we all did. We all came here.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: No, I hear what you're saying, that they contributed.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Well, they had to be here for me to be
• 2:01:27
  able to do it. This is not a thing that
• 2:01:29
  I could have ever done and said, hey, everybody move
• 2:01:31
  here now. It would have never worked. They had to
• 2:01:34
  already be here. Everybody moved here before I even had
• 2:01:36
  a club. A lot of them did.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Segura moved here before I had a club.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Was that a pandemic thing?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: Like getting out of places with ridiculous.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, getting out of places and going to a place
• 2:01:48
  where you can actually perform. We're all addicts. You know,
• 2:01:51
  stand-up comedy is a very, very addictive thing. And if
• 2:01:55
  there's a place where you can go, where you can
• 2:01:57
  do it, and your friends already live there. And for me,
• 2:01:59
  it was Ron White.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: And it was also– there's a thing about the freeness
• 2:02:04
  of this city, like the freeness of Texas, the freedom
• 2:02:08
  that you had here to be able to go to
• 2:02:10
  a restaurant. Your businesses could stay open. They didn't put
• 2:02:14
  the same kind of restrictions. They had a small lockdown
• 2:02:16
  for a short amount of time and they went, OK,
• 2:02:19
  let's get back to work. And they did. And California
• 2:02:21
  is like, we're going to die. It's so– I know.
• 2:02:24
  There's people still driving around in their cars with masks on.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: I know. It's so crazy. I remember– It's so funny
• 2:02:32
  thinking about it because I was reminded of all this
• 2:02:33
  because of the Fauci stuff the other day.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Fauci stuff. It's wild.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: Because I was really, honestly, I mean, I did this
• 2:02:41
  show on Fox News. I would never say I'm a journalist, right, ever.
• 2:02:45
  It was an opinion show. I just said what I thought.
• 2:02:48
  But I did do some, like one piece of journalism,
• 2:02:52
  like actual journalism, which is the Fauci stuff. It's infuriating,
• 2:02:56
  you know, the origin of the virus. I really did.
• 2:02:59
  lay that all out in a way that no one
• 2:03:01
  else did because I had these people I knew at
• 2:03:02
  Stanford I taught at Stanford so a lot of that
• 2:03:05
  information about Fauci and the origin and all of that
• 2:03:09
  I had and people helped me piece it together and
• 2:03:13
  it's just infuriating that he's still skating well the most.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: Infuriating to me thing was that he knew about the
• 2:03:21
  miscarriages during the first trimester he knew about that and
• 2:03:25
  he was still promoting it for pregnant women Like how
• 2:03:27
  many women listened to him and got vaccinated and then
• 2:03:31
  had a miscarriage? We don't even know what the numbers are, right?
• 2:03:34
  Because those are never reported as vaccine injuries. We have
• 2:03:37
  no idea.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was listening to, who did you have
• 2:03:40
  on the other week? That lady who wrote the book,
• 2:03:43
  you got into it with her. She had a book
• 2:03:45
  you're talking about. I can't remember. She's like an investigative.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Annie Jacobson?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: About the germ warfare? About biological warfare?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: So I was just listening to that. And then, I
• 2:03:57
  did– like you're talking about– We didn't really get into it.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: We didn't argue.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: A little bit. Just on the origins and the gain
• 2:04:01
  of function and all of that.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Well, she just probably was trying to be politically correct
• 2:04:06
  and probably not– Well, anyway– I was still trying to
• 2:04:08
  sell books or something. I don't know.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: All I remember thinking is I wanted to– is that
• 2:04:14
  it's still not– I don't think understood how directly Fauci
• 2:04:19
  was implicated. Like it's still– you hear this language of, oh,
• 2:04:25
  he funded– The gain of– no, he pushed it. This
• 2:04:30
  was his thing. He really, really was the main global
• 2:04:35
  champion of gain of function.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: Not only that, he enforced the narrative that this was
• 2:04:41
  not a lab leak and that a lab– talking about
• 2:04:44
  it as a lab leak was racist. Yes.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: The thing that– I remember when I first laid that
• 2:04:49
  out and it was– it's still on my Wikipedia. I
• 2:04:54
  pushed the conspiracy theory there. you know, Fauci did the virus,
• 2:04:58
  but he did the, the, I always try and show
• 2:05:01
  people like when they say, well, why would he do
• 2:05:03
  something like that? He was really the main advocate.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: There's a piece he wrote.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I always start with this, which is, I think it's December, 2011,
• 2:05:14
  because gain of function had been around a few years.
• 2:05:17
  They started with the ferrets or whatever, and they had
• 2:05:19
  this new technique, Ralph Baric. and all of that. And
• 2:05:23
  then it became very controversial in the scientific community. You
• 2:05:27
  had a whole bunch of scientists saying, this is crazy.
• 2:05:31
  This is going to lead to a pandemic. You had
• 2:05:33
  people saying that. And Fauci argued back. And he wrote
• 2:05:36
  this piece at the end of 2011 with the other guy,
• 2:05:40
  Francis Collins, who ran the NIH, saying that engineering, I
• 2:05:45
  think it's almost an exact word, engineering a potentially dangerous
• 2:05:49
  virus in the laboratory is is a risk worth taking.
• 2:05:52
  He wrote that like he's was pushing this stuff. And
• 2:05:56
  like the thing that everyone, it's, it was his initiative.
• 2:06:01
  It wasn't, he's like passively funded this thing that some
• 2:06:05
  other minions were doing. This was his big thing.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: It's just outrageous that it hasn't been. And he broke
• 2:06:12
  the rules. That's the other part that, that people forget
• 2:06:15
  that Obama was, in 2014, put a moratorium on it,
• 2:06:20
  which included stuff that was already in train, which included
• 2:06:24
  the project that led to COVID. And then again, people
• 2:06:28
  often say, well, Trump lifted the moratorium. He did, but
• 2:06:30
  he put back a new thing, which was, it was
• 2:06:33
  called the potential pandemic pathogens thing, protocol, which said that
• 2:06:38
  when you renew a project, it should go to independent review.
• 2:06:42
  He broke that as well. So he broke the rules
• 2:06:44
  to push this. And he's like, still not really had
• 2:06:48
  to pay any price for it, unless you say his reputation.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the reputation, but he's also so old that he's
• 2:06:53
  not working anymore anyway. But the thing about it was
• 2:06:56
  that pardon that gave him a pardon for crimes that
• 2:06:59
  he had not been convicted for, which had never happened before.
• 2:07:02
  A preemptive pardon and also for 10 whole years for
• 2:07:06
  everything he did. He could have been eating babies for
• 2:07:09
  10 years and like, no, pardon.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Fine.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: And then when you have a pardon, you're not supposed
• 2:07:15
  to be able to plead the 5th. And yet he
• 2:07:17
  pleads the fifth with everything, including the color of his
• 2:07:19
  fucking tie.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: It's just disgusting.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: He's a strange guy. And the fact that he was
• 2:07:24
  a hero really shows how sick people were in 2020
• 2:07:28
  looking for some sort of a solution. They didn't know
• 2:07:32
  his history. They didn't know what he did during the
• 2:07:34
  AIDS crisis. He's a scary person.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: He scares me. And the arrogance of it. And the
• 2:07:39
  thing that I also really get really pissed off about
• 2:07:43
  still is when you hear the conversation around this. Going
• 2:07:47
  back now to the lockdowns and all of that and
• 2:07:49
  the school closures, there was such a disaster, businesses, churches.
• 2:07:53
  And people say, well, we didn't really know. And it
• 2:07:56
  was early and we were just being, we did know.
• 2:07:59
  It's not true. i did a piece march 2020 like
• 2:08:03
  right it was in the before the end of 15
• 2:08:06
  days to slow the spread right at the beginning because
• 2:08:09
  i got to know through stanford jay batacharia john you
• 2:08:13
  need is all these guys that were speaking out they
• 2:08:15
  did a blood whatever call it sarah prevalence thing in
• 2:08:19
  Santa Clara County, where this whole thing started, proving everything
• 2:08:22
  that we now knew, including what Fauci now we know
• 2:08:26
  from whatever his diary, knew as well.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: Those Santa Clara County, is this the two doctors that
• 2:08:35
  they went public with this and then they lost their
• 2:08:37
  license and they were shamed?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: No, this is different. This is Jay and John Ioannidis.
• 2:08:42
  They were the– so Ioannidis was.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Was that he was one of the people that was
• 2:08:50
  kicked off of Twitter, correct? Yes. Yeah, which is.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: And worse than that, kicked off, really persecuted by Stanford.
• 2:08:58
  They need to be held accountable. That was a crazy thing.
• 2:09:00
  So the first lockdown in the country was Santa Clara County,
• 2:09:06
  in one of the Bay Area counties. Then the next day,
• 2:09:09
  the other Bay Area counties did it. And then after that,
• 2:09:11
  Gavin did statewide. That's where it started. And the woman
• 2:09:14
  who pushed it was the public health... God, I haven't
• 2:09:17
  talked about this for ages. the public health director or
• 2:09:20
  whatever of Santa Clara County, Sarah Cody. And she was
• 2:09:24
  married to the head of Stanford Medicine. And Jay spoke
• 2:09:29
  out against what was going on with actual data. They
• 2:09:32
  did a study of what was happening in the community
• 2:09:36
  that proved that the case fatality rate was far lower
• 2:09:41
  than what they're saying.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it was also in the leaked emails.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: All of this.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: He was aware that it was far lower. And he
• 2:09:47
  was still promoting it.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Exactly. But the point is that this is, again, corruption.
• 2:09:52
  Because he was speaking out against the lockdowns that were
• 2:09:56
  pushed by this woman, Sarah Cody. Her husband, who was
• 2:10:00
  head of Stanford Medicine, persecuted Jay. He was treated so badly.
• 2:10:04
  They suspended him. They accused him of some bullshit investigation
• 2:10:09
  into him.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: Outrageous.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: That no one's ever done anything about that as far
• 2:10:13
  as I can tell. It's Stanford.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: No, it's, uh, it's creepy to watch that top down
• 2:10:19
  power in action when you know that they're lying. And
• 2:10:22
  when you're seeing these lines, messages and emails. Yeah. The
• 2:10:26
  Fauci thing is very creepy when it just shows you
• 2:10:29
  why he was pushing for that pardon. But then there's
• 2:10:31
  the question of whether or not that pardon is even
• 2:10:33
  legitimate because it's all auto pen stuff.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: And Biden was out of his fucking mind. Like I know.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: But the thing I always think is also this, um,
• 2:10:42
  The state level– it's a federal pardon.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: So states are going to– but then there's this immunity
• 2:10:48
  if you're doing stuff in your public role. You can't
• 2:10:52
  be sued for that or something. I don't know.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he lives in hell. I mean he knows.
• 2:10:58
  But I think he's a bit of a sociopath. I
• 2:11:00
  think there's something about him. Like when he was prescribing
• 2:11:03
  people AZT for AIDS, he's a doctor. He's well aware
• 2:11:07
  that AZT was pulled as a cancer medication because it
• 2:11:10
  was killing people. quicker than cancer they were using it
• 2:11:12
  as chemotherapy and people are dying faster and so they
• 2:11:16
  already had this fda approved drug and so this new
• 2:11:19
  gay cancer i mean they literally were calling it the
• 2:11:21
  gay cancer at first they just started giving it to
• 2:11:24
  them like well we have a medication for it and
• 2:11:26
  then fauci's on record saying.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 7: The reason why we prescribe azt is because it's the
• 2:11:31
  only medicine it's both safe and effective effective at what
• 2:11:36
  affected killing asymptomatic people They were also using the same
• 2:11:40
  playbook that they used during COVID by using these testing
• 2:11:44
  methods that had an enormous amount of false positives. Like
• 2:11:47
  Kerry Mullis himself was– there's a video of him. He's
• 2:11:50
  the guy who invented PCR testing. He's talking about Fauci.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: Fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's
• 2:11:55
  like he's a bureaucrat. The guy is full of shit.
• 2:11:58
  He doesn't know that you should never use a PCR
• 2:12:00
  to determine whether or not someone is ill. He's like
• 2:12:03
  it's not how it works because if you ramp up
• 2:12:05
  the cycles enough, you could find anything. And that's what
• 2:12:07
  they did during COVID. They felt like it's 80-something percent
• 2:12:10
  false positives. Fortunately, a lot of those people weren't forced
• 2:12:14
  to take AZT. But there's a lot of people that
• 2:12:16
  turned positive for HIV that probably didn't have it at all.
• 2:12:19
  They gave them AZT and they were fucking dead. And
• 2:12:23
  this is the– he's the villain in the Dallas Buyers Club,
• 2:12:26
  that movie with Matthew McConaughey. That's all about people who
• 2:12:29
  have AIDS seeking alternative treatments and being denied them because
• 2:12:34
  he was trying to find a vaccine for it even
• 2:12:36
  back then. They were testing the vaccine for it on
• 2:12:39
  fucking foster kids and killing them in New York. It's
• 2:12:42
  all in R.F.K. Jr. 's book. And again, if his
• 2:12:47
  book lies, how come he hasn't been sued?
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: It's really amazing how they're able to get away with
• 2:12:58
  stuff that's truly evil.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Truly evil. Yeah. I mean– Testing the AIDS vaccine on–
• 2:13:06
  foster kids. It's crazy. And them dying? It's crazy. The
• 2:13:11
  AZT thing is crazy. I don't.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 3: Know what determines the media mindset towards something or whatever
• 2:13:25
  that means that this story gets attention and massive focus.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's really simple. It's really simple. Pharmaceutical drug commercials.
• 2:13:36
  All that would change if they're not allowed to advertise.
• 2:13:39
  We're one of two countries in the fucking world that
• 2:13:41
  allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on television. One of them
• 2:13:45
  is New Zealand and they're far more restrictive than us.
• 2:13:47
  And because of that– look, you have ads that you
• 2:13:50
  see that are playing on CNN that are not even
• 2:13:53
  for a drug that's commonly used for some weird condition.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: That very few people have. Persuade you you've got the condition.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: That's– what they're really doing is not selling drugs. What
• 2:14:04
  they're really doing is making sure that CNN does never
• 2:14:06
  talk shit about the pharmaceutical drug companies and doesn't do
• 2:14:09
  any stories on the adverse side effects and doesn't do
• 2:14:12
  any stories about how many of them get pulled by
• 2:14:15
  the FDA that initially get approved and they find such
• 2:14:17
  horrific side effects. They have to pull them because it's
• 2:14:20
  a large percentage. It's fucking nuts, man. And it's– who
• 2:14:24
  was it that brought it up that was explaining how–
• 2:14:29
  he had figured out a long time ago that the
• 2:14:31
  reason why they spend so much money on advertising– is
• 2:14:34
  not because they're trying to sell drugs. They're trying to
• 2:14:36
  buy these networks.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it makes sense. It's an enormous part of their
• 2:14:40
  ad budget, right? And they spend so much money on television.
• 2:14:43
  And who the fuck is watching CNN at this stage
• 2:14:47
  of the game? What are their numbers? Their numbers are
• 2:14:49
  pretty piss poor. They are. For the amount of money
• 2:14:51
  that these drug companies are spending. And then you see
• 2:14:54
  so many ads. So many. For this. And everyone's always
• 2:14:59
  at a barbecue.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: They're always having fun.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: They're having fun. There was a brilliant parody that Nicole
• 2:15:09
  Shanahan did when she was with Bobby. She did a
• 2:15:13
  brilliant one for TDS. Do you suffer from TDS? Trump
• 2:15:16
  Derangement Syndrome. She did it like a pharma ad.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: It was really, really great. That's so crazy. But the
• 2:15:23
  thing I was thinking of when you got really dark
• 2:15:27
  human consequences. Obviously, I'm focused on it because He's my opponent.
• 2:15:31
  But the story of Becerra and the kids, the migrant kids,
• 2:15:36
  it's a story. I bring it up to people and
• 2:15:38
  a lot of people have never heard about it. Like
• 2:15:40
  literally no idea. What is the story? He had a job,
• 2:15:44
  Bobby's job. And Bobby County's job, HHS secretary. And you had,
• 2:15:51
  it was during the four years that you had the
• 2:15:53
  open border. And the way it works is that millions
• 2:15:56
  of people come across the open border. We don't know
• 2:15:58
  exactly how many, but the kid, Unaccompanied kids are the
• 2:16:03
  responsibility of HHS. That's how the system works. So he
• 2:16:07
  was responsible for them. And the total number we know
• 2:16:10
  because it's recorded, 479,000 kids.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: Unaccompanied.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: Kids without parents. It's an amazing number in the four
• 2:16:19
  years of the Biden administration. All of those kids were
• 2:16:24
  Javier Becerra's responsibility. So they were overwhelmed. They set up
• 2:16:28
  these camps. Do you not know any of this?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: They have these camps they set up to process the kids.
• 2:16:37
  In Florida, Texas, there were three in California. And the
• 2:16:40
  point was to try and get the kids to a
• 2:16:43
  safe sponsor, relative, someone who'd look after them. And they
• 2:16:48
  had so many, they were overwhelmed. And there's really bad
• 2:16:52
  stuff going on in the camps. There were reports of
• 2:16:54
  sexual abuse. The older kids, you know, some of the
• 2:16:57
  older kids were like, You know, 17-year-old, rough, you know,
• 2:17:01
  some were gang members, whatever. So there was all this
• 2:17:04
  shit going on in the camps. Sexual abuse, physical abuse,
• 2:17:07
  it was bad. And it was like pictures of, you know,
• 2:17:11
  like we went to one in Pomona, one of the
• 2:17:14
  exhibition halls, like 150 kids on cots. It was bad.
• 2:17:18
  And so Becerra wants these kids out because it looks bad.
• 2:17:22
  And they'd gone on and on about kids in cages
• 2:17:25
  with Trump. And so he basically we've now got these
• 2:17:29
  whistleblowers coming forward and the New York Times reported it.
• 2:17:32
  The New York Times broke this story, but it's just
• 2:17:34
  basically not gone anywhere. They did it in 2023 that
• 2:17:40
  he dismantled the vetting that was supposed to put the
• 2:17:43
  kids with a safe place. And so they lost track
• 2:17:47
  of thousands of kids. And many went to child sex traffickers,
• 2:17:54
  slave labor, child labor traffickers. Just horrific stories.
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  Speaker 1: What was the rationale for it?
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  Speaker 3: Because they weren't moving them out of the camps quickly enough.
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  So we had a whistleblower. come to us because these
• 2:18:10
  people said, how can he be governor? Who said, we
• 2:18:15
  were supposed to connect the kids with the responsible adult,
• 2:18:19
  check their identity, ID checks, home visits, all this. But
• 2:18:24
  the instruction was, it's going too slowly. We got to
• 2:18:28
  get the kids out. She said, speed over safety. And
• 2:18:31
  so when they raised flags about it, like 200 kids,
• 2:18:37
  sent to an address that turned out to be a
• 2:18:39
  container lot, like not a real address. It was just
• 2:18:42
  a front for traffickers. A kid sent to a woman
• 2:18:48
  who was wanted by Interpol, like a gang member, like
• 2:18:52
  just crazy. So when they raised those stories, they were fired.
• 2:18:56
  Like it's really terrible what happened. And still, I mean,
• 2:19:01
  HHS just published them because they were still responsible. Numbers from,
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  I think it was two weeks ago, that there's 330,000
• 2:19:09
  that they're still missing. They don't know where they are.
• 2:19:12
  40 kids died. Like, it's really bad. And yet, it's
• 2:19:16
  like Fauci's like, he's the candidate for governor. No one's
• 2:19:21
  really calling him out on it. It's amazing to me.
• 2:19:28
  it's really bad, Joe. Honestly, you've got, that is crazy.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: You've got to be responsible for that many kids and
• 2:19:34
  say speed over safety.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: So there's a story again, whistleblower. We've put about the videos.
• 2:19:40
  I mean, some people, you know, this woman said she
• 2:19:42
  was a caseworker at Pomona and Becerra actually visited that camp, visited,
• 2:19:49
  did a photo op, whatever. And he's going on about
• 2:19:51
  how we're doing a good job of finding safe places, whatever. Um,
• 2:19:57
  And then the interviewer, I was at the taping. She's
• 2:20:01
  in a job where she doesn't want retaliation. So I
• 2:20:04
  was there for the two hours we taped the conversation.
• 2:20:07
  And the interviewer asks her, did anything change after Becerra's visit?
• 2:20:14
  She said, yeah. Everything had to speed up. And they
• 2:20:19
  had strike teams that were set up to tell us,
• 2:20:22
  don't check. When she would say, this ID is obviously
• 2:20:25
  a fake ID for this person. Like the photos, like
• 2:20:28
  a selfie, it's obviously fake. Don't worry, just send them quick,
• 2:20:32
  get them out. Jesus Christ. And even the New York
• 2:20:36
  Times story had a boy who, she had a few
• 2:20:41
  examples because she tracked them down. She won a Pulitzer
• 2:20:43
  Prize for it. A kid who ended up in a,
• 2:20:47
  I don't know, meatpacking plant, 13, 14-year-old, had his arm
• 2:20:50
  ripped off in an accident. Our girl, one of those,
• 2:20:55
  she came forward as a whistleblower, a victim. She was
• 2:20:58
  on camera. She said, you know, she's telling the story.
• 2:21:02
  She was like put on a plane and they said,
• 2:21:05
  you know, what happens? They didn't let her take her stuff.
• 2:21:10
  She was met at the other end. She said, there's
• 2:21:13
  three guys. She has no idea who these people are.
• 2:21:17
  She's from, I think, Guatemala. It was El Salvador. Gets
• 2:21:21
  in a car with three guys. No idea. Taken to
• 2:21:24
  a house. She has to work 20 hours a day.
• 2:21:27
  sleep on the floor with four guys in a room.
• 2:21:29
  She's a girl from, you know, it's just, and there's
• 2:21:34
  so many of these stories. Bobby, the way Bobby puts
• 2:21:39
  it is that Becerra turned HHS into the largest child
• 2:21:44
  trafficking operation in history. Holy fuck. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: And this guy's running for governor of California?
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: I remember, honestly, Joe, like, When we did these debates,
• 2:21:59
  you know, we did a lot. And not just debates,
• 2:22:01
  but forums and you meet. And I thought he's a nice,
• 2:22:04
  you know, I'd see him. We'd chat backstage or whatever.
• 2:22:08
  And I thought, you know, he's kind of nothing. He's
• 2:22:13
  a bureaucrat type person. Nice guy, perfectly nice. Smiley's a nice,
• 2:22:18
  amiable guy. And I just thought he's like an amiable non-entity.
• 2:22:22
  But the more you learn about this, it's like really bad.
• 2:22:27
  because it's a classic thing with these career politicians. Obviously,
• 2:22:31
  all that mattered was I don't want to look bad.
• 2:22:36
  We've got all these kids. They're in these camps. The
• 2:22:39
  media has access to them. It's really making me look bad.
• 2:22:43
  Get these kids out. It's just shocking.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 3: It's shocking. That's so evil. Yeah, it is.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: And it's also really racist.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: All of them were Latino kids.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you think about it. If that was all
• 2:22:58
  kids from Norway, little young boys and girls from Norway,
• 2:23:02
  do you think they would treat them the same way?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: So Pomona, where this camp was, there were three in California,
• 2:23:08
  Long Beach, San Diego, and Pomona. So the caseworker who
• 2:23:12
  did the whistle, she said, there's a notorious child sex
• 2:23:20
  trafficking street area near there. She said before this, most
• 2:23:28
  of the girls were African-American black girls. After the camp,
• 2:23:35
  suddenly it was all Latino girls. Like it was just
• 2:23:40
  so obvious that that was what was happening. Child sex trafficking.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Well, if there's child sex traffickers and there's such an
• 2:23:49
  obvious vulnerability, like Hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied kids making
• 2:23:54
  it across the border. Of course, they're going to sneak in.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was insane.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: Can I just add one other thing? Yes. The boy,
• 2:24:05
  I mean, they took away their, they had these papers
• 2:24:10
  that they would send them off with. And it had
• 2:24:12
  a line that's information on it, which included a hotline
• 2:24:16
  that they set up. If the kids felt they were
• 2:24:20
  in danger. It took on a trafficking hotline. There were 65,000
• 2:24:25
  unanswered calls to the hotline. It was just a bullshit-like
• 2:24:30
  thing that didn't work. And again, the people who pointed
• 2:24:34
  that out were fired.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: It's really bad. It's like, to me.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: The people that pointed it out were fired.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: It's just... This is, to me... I've been in and
• 2:24:45
  around politics, media, government, one way or another for a
• 2:24:48
  long time. I've never seen anything like this. And he's like.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even seem like it could be real.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: The numbers are so crazy. It seems like some sort
• 2:24:57
  of a conspiracy theory that's easily disproven.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Well, the first reporting of it was the New
• 2:25:04
  York Times, 2023. Holy shit. But everything that's coming out,
• 2:25:12
  it's worse even than that.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: What do you think was going on with the whole
• 2:25:18
  open border thing?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: I think that they... I think they believed that any
• 2:25:27
  kind of restriction on immigration was racist and therefore it
• 2:25:33
  was part of the ideology around that. That we can't put...
• 2:25:38
  People are coming and they're fleeing bad conditions and you
• 2:25:43
  can't stop them because it's racist to put restrictions on immigration.
• 2:25:48
  I think that's what it was mainly.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: OK. So that is a great way to justify flying
• 2:25:55
  people into swing states and then trying to turn them
• 2:25:59
  into citizens, which is what they were actively talking about doing.
• 2:26:02
  Pelosi talked about that. Schumer talked about that. They talk
• 2:26:05
  about getting these people citizenship, which means those people can vote.
• 2:26:08
  There's also moving them into these swing states. And if
• 2:26:12
  you move them into the swing states, the census doesn't
• 2:26:14
  count whether or not you're a citizen. The census counts
• 2:26:17
  whether or not you're a human being. And so it
• 2:26:19
  changes the number of congressional seats that are available. So
• 2:26:22
  there's that. And then there's also putting these people on
• 2:26:26
  free health care and giving them money and setting them up.
• 2:26:30
  And then if you can get those people to vote eventually,
• 2:26:33
  you've got a built in voter and you could change.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 3: So I never I don't know about that.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: Whatever million people got in over the last four years,
• 2:26:41
  they're not going to vote for Trump. If you can
• 2:26:45
  make those people vote, if you can let those people vote,
• 2:26:48
  how many of those people are going to vote for
• 2:26:49
  the Republicans that wanted to get rid of them with ICE?
• 2:26:52
  And how many of them are going to vote for
• 2:26:53
  the Democrats that wanted to fund them and help them
• 2:26:56
  get across the border? It's pretty simple. Even if you
• 2:26:59
  don't get all of them, you're going to get most
• 2:27:00
  of them.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: Do you think that? I mean, I hear that often.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: This is what Elon thinks.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: It seems to me that's so dark and cynical.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: Well, if they wanted to do to the whole country
• 2:27:10
  what they've done to California and have complete and total
• 2:27:12
  control with one party. Well, they've already done it in
• 2:27:15
  a state. Why not just implement it through the entire country?
• 2:27:19
  In California, you can't show ID to vote. It's illegal.
• 2:27:23
  That's crazy. Why would you do that? Why would you
• 2:27:26
  do that? There's only one reason. You want to cheat.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: It's the only reason. And we've got voter ID on
• 2:27:31
  the ballot in November in California. Which is crazy that
• 2:27:35
  you have to ask for that. Exactly. And the attorney
• 2:27:38
  general of California. guy Bonta, I don't know if you've
• 2:27:41
  been following, he's doing the Paramount lawsuit. He's like a
• 2:27:43
  total political hack. All he ever does. Like we've got
• 2:27:47
  out of control crime and all this shit. All he does.
• 2:27:51
  And the same with, by the way, Becerra, he's my opponent.
• 2:27:55
  He was attorney general of California.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: Appointed.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: He didn't get elected. All he talks about in terms
• 2:28:03
  of his record, and he was attorney during the time
• 2:28:07
  when crime exploded, is how many times he sued Trump.
• 2:28:11
  But this guy, Bonta, now, there was this ballot initiative.
• 2:28:15
  There is a ballot initiative on November for voter ID.
• 2:28:19
  He just changed the description. Did you see this?
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: So it had a kind of accurate description of what
• 2:28:27
  it was. you know, this measure, you know, on the ballot,
• 2:28:30
  the voter information, this measure will require people to show ID, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:28:37
  And that was approved by the whole system. And just
• 2:28:42
  in time before they start printing them, he, because it's
• 2:28:46
  the attorney general who decides, changed it to say, like,
• 2:28:50
  the most negative possible thing. This, I mean, I haven't
• 2:28:53
  got the exact words, you can find it, but it
• 2:28:55
  was like, this measure... prohibits voting unless you have and
• 2:29:01
  it goes on to make it sound really good it's
• 2:29:02
  like it's so cynical this is just what they do.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah well they weren't trying to get people to look
• 2:29:09
  at it in terms of look at it through their
• 2:29:11
  ideological lens rather than through a practical lens but it's
• 2:29:15
  also like it's so crazy that you have to have
• 2:29:17
  ID for almost everything.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: Else it's crazy and they say oh it's so discriminatory
• 2:29:22
  like what are you talking that's racist.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah what about driving a car you have to have
• 2:29:26
  a license to drive a car What about, you know.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: Check into a hotel. I mean, every night I'm at
• 2:29:31
  a different Hampton Inn. That's where we stay.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 6: ID.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: You have to show ID to buy booze. It's like
• 2:29:39
  IDs everywhere. It's normal. It's like we need to know
• 2:29:43
  that you're real.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: It's a very, when you watch them defend their opposition
• 2:29:50
  to it, it really, I mean, I'm generally not, you know,
• 2:29:56
  I really do try and see the best. you know,
• 2:29:59
  that's just their ideology or whatever, then it's not really cynical.
• 2:30:02
  But when you see the way they wriggle and squirm
• 2:30:05
  over voter ID, it's like, what other explanation is there? Exactly.
• 2:30:08
  It really, it's such a ridiculous thing to be opposed to.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear. It's pretty clear that there's an advantage.
• 2:30:16
  And the advantage is definitely on the side of the Democrats.
• 2:30:20
  The voter ID advantage. It's just crazy. It's just, we
• 2:30:25
  have lost our fucking collective minds. And It doesn't help
• 2:30:31
  when this administration is in this war with Iran that
• 2:30:34
  makes no fucking sense whatsoever. And everybody's like, oh. So
• 2:30:37
  you look at that. It just builds up the other
• 2:30:41
  side's argument.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what they say.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: So you have to vote them out no matter what.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: It's a perfect example. Massive thing in California for everyone
• 2:30:50
  is gas prices. Highest in the country by far. Higher
• 2:30:57
  than Hawaii. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, even
• 2:31:00
  though we have abundant oil reserves in California. It's like
• 2:31:03
  so insane. They're literally shipping in. They're shutting down California
• 2:31:07
  oil production, shipping it in from halfway around the world.
• 2:31:11
  Like 80% now shipped from Iraq and the Amazon rainforest.
• 2:31:16
  Like Gavin goes to the Amazon rainforest to the climate
• 2:31:20
  conference to lecture everyone about climate because of his climate policies.
• 2:31:26
  oil drilling in the Amazon is now being increased to
• 2:31:29
  provide California's oil anyway so it's so crazy that they
• 2:31:33
  do all these things like right now and you know
• 2:31:37
  and it's all as a direct result of what they've
• 2:31:40
  done right the gas prices are so high and it's
• 2:31:43
  regular working people who are screwed like people who drive
• 2:31:46
  their cars and trucks every day it's not the climate
• 2:31:49
  warriors you know and their laptops in Marin County do
• 2:31:53
  you know what I mean anyway The war is now
• 2:31:58
  their go-to response. So you make a point about gas prices. Oh,
• 2:32:02
  it's Trump's war. And of course, it's true that the
• 2:32:06
  war has increased gas prices everywhere, but it's still $ 2
• 2:32:11
  higher in California than anywhere else.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: But it lets them off the hook.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just indicative of the same problem that you're
• 2:32:20
  going to have whenever a single party is running a
• 2:32:23
  state for that long unchecked. Just like you were talking
• 2:32:26
  about Hungary or it's just like it could be anywhere.
• 2:32:29
  You could fill in the blank anywhere in the world
• 2:32:31
  where you get power and you get complete control and
• 2:32:34
  then you can just tax the fuck out of people
• 2:32:36
  and then you keep increasing government, which they keep doing.
• 2:32:39
  It's pretty wild.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 4: Would changing this law make it cheaper or would that
• 2:32:43
  be even harder to do?
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: California gas because it uses a unique strictly regulated clean
• 2:32:47
  burning boutique blend mandated by the California Air Resources Board
• 2:32:51
  to reduce smog and greenhouse gas emissions. Specialized fuel must
• 2:32:56
  be refined locally on an energy island because no pipelines
• 2:33:00
  connect the state to outside fuel networks. It's just more
• 2:33:03
  of the same.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: So this is important. So see that California Air Resources Board, CARB,
• 2:33:09
  that's the main agency that's driving the cost of everything
• 2:33:13
  high when it comes to energy, gas and electric. And
• 2:33:17
  actually now your earlier question, what can you do? There's
• 2:33:20
  basically four reasons that gas prices are the highest in
• 2:33:24
  the country. One is the gas tax, which is the
• 2:33:28
  highest in the country. That I can't do anything about
• 2:33:31
  as governor. That's the legislature. They just increased it. So
• 2:33:35
  you've got all these Democrats running around saying, affordability, we
• 2:33:38
  have to do something about the affordability crisis. They just
• 2:33:41
  increased the gas tax in California. So just, it's so ridiculous.
• 2:33:46
  But that's the first thing I can't do anything about directly.
• 2:33:49
  All the other things you can, it's partly that, is
• 2:33:51
  the regulations on the refinery. But it's also these hidden taxes.
• 2:33:55
  Like you've got the low carbon fuels. They all sound good.
• 2:33:59
  The low carbon fuel standard cap and invest. They call
• 2:34:02
  it the cap and invest program. That's funding high speed rail.
• 2:34:06
  These are basically taxes on gas that the energy industry
• 2:34:10
  is paying. Then you've got the fact that we're importing
• 2:34:13
  all this oil rather than producing it. So instead of
• 2:34:17
  producing in California and in the cleanest regulated standards anywhere
• 2:34:21
  in the world, which is what we have because we've
• 2:34:24
  got all these regulations, and sending it in a nice
• 2:34:28
  pipeline just 100 or so miles from near Bakersfield, Kern County,
• 2:34:33
  to the refineries in Long Beach and Torrance. We are,
• 2:34:37
  what I said earlier, shipping in, because like that said,
• 2:34:40
  there's no pipeline from outside California, bringing it on tankers
• 2:34:44
  from the number one in the Middle East is Iraq.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: Burning immense amounts of fuel all along the way.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, because they run on bunker fuel which is the
• 2:34:53
  most dirty form of oil. So they are, I'm not,
• 2:34:57
  this is an accurate statement. They are increasing carbon emissions
• 2:35:01
  in the name of climate to make it look as
• 2:35:04
  if their climate war is fighting fossil fuels. It's just
• 2:35:11
  fucking crazy. Yeah. But it's the ideology. It's not even,
• 2:35:15
  it's so funny. I used to sort of talk about
• 2:35:17
  their climate policy. It's not even the climate policies. It's
• 2:35:20
  climate posturing. It's like, They want to look as if
• 2:35:22
  they're doing something.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a part of the ideology, like you said.
• 2:35:27
  It's a part of the doctrine, the religious doctrine that
• 2:35:29
  is the left. You have to say that climate change
• 2:35:32
  is real. Science is science. You have to say a
• 2:35:35
  bunch of things. Love is love. You have to say
• 2:35:36
  a bunch of things.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: In this house, it's the thing. That's literally virtue signaling.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: It's not just virtue signaling. It's kind of religious doctrine.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: It's an ideology signal.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: It's not such a catchy phrase, but that's what it is.
• 2:35:50
  And it's kind of religious. And like Marc Andreessen's talked
• 2:35:53
  about this. It's kind of like a cult. Like if
• 2:35:56
  you don't follow it, you are excommunicated. Yeah.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 3: And I did a conference the other day in Sacramento
• 2:36:01
  where I went up. And there's something about it. It
• 2:36:04
  was the smugness was so– I normally try and be
• 2:36:09
  reasonable and just, you know, make my arguments and sort of.
• 2:36:14
  There was something about this. It was a kind of
• 2:36:16
  climate thing. Things I agree with. It was green energy.
• 2:36:21
  I'm all for that.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: Whatever. Great.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 3: Let's have innovation. I'm not against any of that. I
• 2:36:25
  am against the windmills. The insane.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're insane.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: Windmills.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: Totally inefficient.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: And then they have to go into landfills. And they
• 2:36:33
  only last a certain amount of years. Then you have
• 2:36:35
  to take them down and then bury them in the
• 2:36:37
  earth where they never degrade.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 3: And they catch fire.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They kill birds. Birds.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: Wait, have you heard the latest though? This is the,
• 2:36:45
  it's actually one of my bits to go back to
• 2:36:50
  the thing because it's so crazy. Is the new plan
• 2:36:55
  for windmills is offshore windmills in California in two parts,
• 2:37:00
  Morrow Bay off the central coast, Humboldt up in the north,
• 2:37:03
  including having them far out because the wind is more,
• 2:37:08
  but except also the ocean is deep there. So they're
• 2:37:11
  going to have floating windmills. Have you heard this one? No. Floating.
• 2:37:16
  And these windmills are, they're big. They're like a thousand feet.
• 2:37:20
  That's the height of the Eiffel Tower, pretty much. Floating.
• 2:37:24
  And one of the proposals is like 10,000. So 10,000
• 2:37:26
  Eiffel Tower. Towers floating off the... It's insane. Trump's just
• 2:37:35
  stopped it. And now they're suing to reopen it. By
• 2:37:41
  the way.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: Clean energy.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: When we have in California today existing... Natural gas-fired power stations,
• 2:37:50
  which could provide more than all our electricity needs today.
• 2:37:55
  More than all. It's like something like 300 gigawatt hours
• 2:37:59
  a year. We only use about 270, something like that.
• 2:38:02
  But they're running these natural gas power stations at like
• 2:38:07
  20% of their capacity to use as backup for the
• 2:38:10
  windmills and for the solar farms. If you ran them
• 2:38:14
  at full capacity, what we've already got, you don't have
• 2:38:16
  to build anything. You could more than meet all our needs.
• 2:38:19
  But no, that's too sensible. So we have the floating windmills.
• 2:38:23
  And of course, we have the highest electric bills in
• 2:38:25
  the country, apart from Hawaii. Double the national average. And
• 2:38:30
  the reason I got cross at this conference was that
• 2:38:33
  they were going, you want to reduce the renewable goals
• 2:38:38
  or something. No, I just want common sense. I'm all
• 2:38:40
  for it. If it makes sense, if you can make
• 2:38:42
  it pay, great. But the people who you're hurting... with
• 2:38:46
  all of this is regular working people, not kind of
• 2:38:48
  elite people at a conference in Sacramento, just working class
• 2:38:52
  people who are just being crushed. And I see it
• 2:38:56
  every day. And the struggle, you know, literally, the number
• 2:39:00
  one thing people say to me, it's really striking when
• 2:39:03
  in all these, you know, I've really met a lot
• 2:39:06
  of people. As I said, hundreds of events, thousands and
• 2:39:09
  thousands of people. They say, it's not like, oh, good luck.
• 2:39:13
  It's like, you have to win. There's like this intensity.
• 2:39:17
  It's really interesting.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: Well, because they know it's slipping away. They don't want
• 2:39:20
  to move.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: And they're so... It's hard.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: It's gotten significantly worse over the last 10 years and
• 2:39:25
  they don't want to move.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's so difficult. And the fucking story. But
• 2:39:31
  people just... Oh.
• 2:39:33
  And it's not even... It's so casual and cruel the
• 2:39:37
  way it's like, yeah, for our ideology, we'll jack up
• 2:39:40
  your electric bills and your gas prices and you just
• 2:39:43
  have to suck it up because... We want to make
• 2:39:45
  ourselves feel like we're leading on climate. That's the other thing.
• 2:39:50
  They were yelling at me from this conference. And I said,
• 2:39:55
  you tell me what is the impact of any of
• 2:39:59
  this on climate change? I said, I'll give you everything
• 2:40:02
  you're saying about climate change, okay? I agree. Climate change,
• 2:40:06
  we've got to fight climate change. What is this doing
• 2:40:10
  to fight climate change? What is the impact on global
• 2:40:13
  temperatures of any of this? And like nothing because the
• 2:40:19
  answer is zero. It has zero impact on global temperatures,
• 2:40:23
  which is the only thing that matters. And then someone
• 2:40:25
  shouts out. This is where they always go. Oh, we're leading.
• 2:40:28
  We have to have a leadership role. We're leading.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 3: Who's following? No one because it's crazy. It's hurting people.
• 2:40:38
  All these countries are backing off it.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing that China has an advantage in
• 2:40:42
  is that their government and their business work like that.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: And the business works for the government and the government
• 2:40:49
  controls the businesses. It's not a good thing. But the
• 2:40:52
  one advantage that they have in there, they don't do
• 2:40:54
  anything stupid that's going to lose money for virtue signaling.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: They open coal fire plants like crazy.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Which are, you know, part of the energy that's
• 2:41:04
  going into making the solar panels that are shipped across
• 2:41:07
  the ocean to make these people feel good. It's true.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: It is true. It's wild.
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just wild company.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 1: It's wild. But I mean, this is the problem with
• 2:41:18
  a government handling something versus the private sector. If the
• 2:41:21
  private sector handled it, it would have to be profitable.
• 2:41:23
  It would have to make sense.
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 3: And they keep saying solar is really cheap. You know,
• 2:41:27
  I said, great. So why do we have the highest
• 2:41:29
  electric bills in the country apart from Hawaii? If it's
• 2:41:32
  also great. I'm not against it. You want to have
• 2:41:34
  a solar panel, a battery, that's great. You know, I'm
• 2:41:37
  not against any of this. But don't force it in
• 2:41:40
  a way. That just raises the cost for regular working people.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: Well, California just loves to regulate. They love it. It's
• 2:41:47
  part of the big government.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 3: Have you seen just– The tires? The tires. Yes. Oh,
• 2:41:53
  you've seen that.
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it. I was going to bring that up. Yeah.
• 2:41:58
  So what is the– The tires. Let's pull it up, Jamie.
• 2:42:02
  The new California regulations on tires, restricting the kind of
• 2:42:05
  tires you can buy.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 3: It's just they keep coming.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: They can't help themselves. They need to justify all these jobs.
• 2:42:13
  There's so much government.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 3: But I just want to give you– this is a
• 2:42:16
  good example, which is all of these things.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: California regulators approved new rules limiting what replacement tires you
• 2:42:22
  can buy for your car. So what is the rationale
• 2:42:25
  behind this? Approved new rules that will restrict which tires
• 2:42:29
  you can buy when it's time to replace them. Unanimous vote.
• 2:42:32
  California Energy Commission voted to adopt new rules that will
• 2:42:35
  phase out the sale of replacement tires. that don't meet
• 2:42:38
  certain energy efficiency standards. Ultimately about protecting consumers. I see
• 2:42:44
  this as a sheltering the public from higher costs in
• 2:42:47
  the long term. Long run. Long run, excuse me. Tire
• 2:42:49
  manufacturers and the commission staff are at odds over whether
• 2:42:52
  this will add to the cost of living in the state.
• 2:42:54
  It will. Both sides acknowledge this will no longer allow
• 2:42:57
  the sale of significant portion of the tires currently sold
• 2:43:00
  in California. Fucking A.
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 3: That's 70%.
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 1: So the center of this is a tire's rolling resistance
• 2:43:09
  or how much energy a tire uses as it rolls
• 2:43:11
  down the road. Lower resistance means a vehicle uses less
• 2:43:15
  gas or electricity. New cars come with energy-efficient tires, but
• 2:43:18
  consumers typically replace those with higher rolling resistance tires. I
• 2:43:22
  wonder if that has anything to do with performance cars. So,
• 2:43:28
  you know, I would imagine rolling resistance... So rolling resistance,
• 2:43:34
  what would that mean? Does that mean friction?
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, basically friction.
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, so friction is traction. So you want more traction.
• 2:43:40
  So you're basically making people buy performance tires?
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 3: No, the other way around.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the other way around.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: So traction is less resistance. It's more resistance. Maximum resistance
• 2:43:51
  is traction. So if they want, they will allow the
• 2:43:54
  sale of tires with a maximum rolling resistance of 9.1
• 2:43:58
  newtons per kiloton. it lowers it to 7.2 starting in 2033. So, yeah,
• 2:44:06
  it's making it less traction. That's what it's saying, right?
• 2:44:12
  Rolling resistance. I'm not sure what it says.
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 3: What they want is these.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: Energy efficient. Ensure replacement of tires sold in California are
• 2:44:20
  at least as energy efficient on average as the tires
• 2:44:23
  that come with the truck. So my perception is that
• 2:44:27
  a tire with more traction would be more– More efficient.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 3: No, for driving, yeah, but not for climate.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you go into the store to buy them,
• 2:44:36
  most people are going to buy the cheapest thing available.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: They're not going to ask what's going to save me
• 2:44:39
  money over 10 years. The cheapest thing available would have
• 2:44:41
  less traction, correct?
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 4: It'd just be the cheapest thing available.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: Right. The thing about the car's performance tires, they don't
• 2:44:48
  last as long because there's a softer rubber, and the
• 2:44:51
  softer rubber grips better. That's what they want to get
• 2:44:54
  rid of.
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 3: That's what they want to get rid of.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: But those are the ones that have more traction. That's
• 2:45:00
  what I'm confused about. That would seem to be more
• 2:45:03
  energy efficient in terms of the use of the car.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what they're arguing it's for. But they are–
• 2:45:10
  you're going to end up with these little tires that
• 2:45:12
  don't– I mean all the people that want to go
• 2:45:14
  off-road or whatever, that's what you can't do. You can't
• 2:45:16
  buy off-road tires anymore? 70% of the tires are going
• 2:45:20
  to be banned that are currently sold.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 4: 70%?
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 6: 70%.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 3: That was one of the reporters at KCRA. Ashley Zavala,
• 2:45:28
  she's really, on all these stories, very aggressive. She's really
• 2:45:32
  exposing a lot of this nonsense. And that was, I think,
• 2:45:35
  her number, 70%. Wouldn't they just make.
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 4: New off-road tires then?
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they wouldn't be as good.
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 6: Ah!
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: How often are you driving off-road in L.A.? Well, I'm not,
• 2:45:44
  but some people are. There's a bunch of people who
• 2:45:47
  love driving off-road.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 3: Why are we doing this when we have the state
• 2:45:52
  is over? You've got homeless everywhere. The highest taxes in
• 2:45:57
  the country. Businesses are leaving every single day. It's a
• 2:46:00
  real economic emergency. We have the highest unemployment rate in
• 2:46:04
  the country. We have the highest poverty rate in the country.
• 2:46:07
  the highest cost of living. And this is what the
• 2:46:09
  government's focused on. I mean, we've got to wake up, right?
• 2:46:12
  This is insane that they're focused on this. They're churning
• 2:46:16
  out absolute nonsense. The regulations, the bureaucracy, this is totally unaccountable.
• 2:46:23
  This is some bureaucrat that's discovered a rule. Nancy Skinner,
• 2:46:27
  who used to represent Berkeley, found this thing in some
• 2:46:33
  obscure place that no one had noticed for 20 years.
• 2:46:37
  Suddenly this bureaucratic agency decides to bring in this rule.
• 2:46:41
  No input from the voters.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 1: But here's my question. What is this impact going to
• 2:46:47
  have on like the car market? Like if you sell
• 2:46:53
  a car that has a particular type of performance tire
• 2:46:56
  that no longer.
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 3: Fits this– I don't know.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: Could we ask perplexity? Is this– Referring to tires with
• 2:47:03
  more traction or less traction?
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 4: Energy.california.gov's second sentence says, unfortunately, replacement tires are often less efficient.
• 2:47:11
  That's why your mileage drops the first time you replace
• 2:47:14
  your tires and the efficiency gap between new car new
• 2:47:17
  car tires and replacement tires means california drivers are paying
• 2:47:20
  nearly a billion dollars in additional fuel costs which is.
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: So are these inefficient tires less expensive is that what
• 2:47:27
  it is yeah i think it makes sense right so
• 2:47:30
  the more expensive tires are more efficient which means they
• 2:47:33
  would have better traction is that what it is uh
• 2:47:37
  That makes sense, right? Because if the tire has less traction,
• 2:47:41
  that means it slips more. If it slips more, it's
• 2:47:43
  not as efficient. You wouldn't get as good a gas mileage.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: But they're doing this for climate. That's what they're saying.
• 2:47:51
  We need to lower emissions. That's what it's all about
• 2:47:54
  because of the use of the gas.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: The 70% thing is crazy. Let's say if you buy
• 2:48:00
  a Chevy truck that's an off-road truck. Those are not
• 2:48:04
  efficient tires. So what are you going to be able
• 2:48:06
  to get for them now? I don't know.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 3: I mean it's just come out. So everyone is looking
• 2:48:11
  into this and you just think.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 1: And there's no recourse?
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 3: No, they've just– well, there will be when I'm there
• 2:48:16
  because I'm going to get rid of these people because
• 2:48:18
  this is going back to the question earlier.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: OK. Benefits of the proposed regulation. Consumer savings. Proposed regulation
• 2:48:25
  would save nearly $ 1 billion per year in gasoline and
• 2:48:28
  electricity costs. Right. Air quality. By reducing fuel consumed, the
• 2:48:33
  proposed regulation would reduce CO2 emissions by 2.0 million metric
• 2:48:38
  tons per year, which is the equivalent of taking 400,000
• 2:48:42
  gasoline cars off California roads. It would also reduce other
• 2:48:45
  criteria air pollutants such as nitric oxide and particulate matter.
• 2:48:51
  Reduced energy demand. The proposed regulation would reduce California demand
• 2:48:55
  for gasoline by 141 million gallons per also reduced demand
• 2:48:59
  for electricity by 0.9 terawatts per hour each year. Okay,
• 2:49:08
  the following tires are excluded from the proposed regulation minimum
• 2:49:11
  performance standards. Competition tires used for motorsports, winter-type snow tires,
• 2:49:17
  all-season winter performance tires, used and retreaded tires, deep tread tires,
• 2:49:23
  tires designed for ATVs or other off-road vehicles. large off-road
• 2:49:27
  tires for use up to 99 miles an hour, motorcycle tires,
• 2:49:32
  temporary spare tires, small tires with 13-inch domino rim diameter,
• 2:49:38
  proposed limited production tires, tires sold for use on an
• 2:49:42
  emergency vehicle, high-load index tires, tires not capable of sustaining
• 2:49:47
  speeds over 50 miles per hour, and space saver tires.
• 2:49:51
  So it seems like there's a lot of caveats.
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 3: No, this is.
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: But look at that, like that list again.
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 3: Nobody believes that this is about saving money.
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 1: No. It seems like they're just wanting.
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 3: This is entirely their ideology for climate. This is some
• 2:50:07
  bullshit calculation.
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a world where that makes sense, though, where
• 2:50:10
  they're right and it will reduce all that gasoline and
• 2:50:13
  it actually will be better for everybody? And you'll force
• 2:50:17
  people to make better tires? And, you know, they're churning
• 2:50:21
  out low-quality tires and this could be mitigated a long
• 2:50:27
  time ago.
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 3: Well i don't know i think that the reaction to
• 2:50:31
  it is exactly the opposite which is here they come.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: Again here they come again is real yeah i.
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 3: Mean another thing as i said it's just been announced
• 2:50:38
  so we got to dig into it but i mean
• 2:50:40
  it's just to me such a kind of crazy example
• 2:50:43
  of them endlessly micromanaging every everything.
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah the market should decide these big big problems california's
• 2:50:51
  new tire rule could wipe out 70 of what's on
• 2:50:53
  the shelf And Sacramento sat on the law for 23 years.
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: So Sacramento didn't invent a new law on Monday. It
• 2:51:05
  finally read one it wrote in 2003. Okay.
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just infuriating.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 1: They love to tell you what to do. That's part
• 2:51:14
  of what California is.
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 3: So we did a thing last year. They put... Remember,
• 2:51:22
  this is the point about there's no checks. No one's
• 2:51:24
  stopping anything. In the last legislative session, last year, not
• 2:51:29
  even the whole year, just a few months, they passed 1,118 bills.
• 2:51:35
  We counted them. We printed them out. It was double
• 2:51:39
  my height. Obviously, no one can read them. Newsom signs
• 2:51:43
  most of them, like the vast majority. He hasn't read them.
• 2:51:47
  It has stuff like this in it, and No one's
• 2:51:51
  paying attention. And the corrupt system, the interest groups that
• 2:51:57
  want what they want from the system, they get these
• 2:52:00
  bills written, and then they get passed. And then here
• 2:52:03
  you are 23 years later, something that's in some obscure law.
• 2:52:07
  That's how it all works. And the answer to the question, like,
• 2:52:12
  what could you do about it, is basically captured in
• 2:52:15
  these two things. Like, number one, all these agencies that
• 2:52:18
  are pushing out these rules... It's the executive branch. So
• 2:52:22
  as the governor, you control the executive branch. You can
• 2:52:26
  fire the people on these boards and you can replace
• 2:52:28
  them with people with some common sense. And you can
• 2:52:31
  actually merge them. You can reorganize them. You could cut
• 2:52:34
  them back. There's a whole bunch of things you could
• 2:52:36
  do on the bureaucracy because so much of this is
• 2:52:39
  coming out of the bureaucracy. Secondly, you can veto the legislation.
• 2:52:44
  And the point is always made, if they have a
• 2:52:46
  two-thirds majority, they can overturn a veto. That's correct. But
• 2:52:50
  The last time they overturned a veto from the governor
• 2:52:53
  was 1979. So they don't like doing it because suddenly
• 2:52:57
  they have to justify all this shit that goes through
• 2:53:01
  without any scrutiny. If you veto it, if they want
• 2:53:05
  to overturn it, suddenly they have to make the argument.
• 2:53:08
  And so much of what you get in California just
• 2:53:11
  goes through without anyone noticing. That's the real corruption in
• 2:53:15
  the system. And so the other thing I'd say is
• 2:53:19
  that You also write the budget. The governor writes the
• 2:53:24
  budget and send it to the legislature. And then you
• 2:53:27
  have to negotiate. But again, you know, if you take
• 2:53:30
  out all this waste and, you know, we just announced
• 2:53:33
  last week Operation Zero Waste, cancel funding for high speed rail,
• 2:53:39
  cancel free health care for illegal immigrants, all these things
• 2:53:42
  that we said we do.
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: How much has been spent on that high speed rail?
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 3: So far, total 15 billion.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a bargain. They've got a lot done though, right?
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that was.
• 2:53:53
  So it was... 2008, it was supposed to be $ 30 billion,
• 2:53:58
  the total budget. And it was supposed to be open
• 2:54:01
  in 2020. And it was two and a half hours
• 2:54:03
  from San Francisco to LA. So the latest is it's
• 2:54:08
  going to be open maybe, if you're lucky, by the
• 2:54:10
  end of 2030s. It's going to be... The new budget
• 2:54:14
  from $ 30 billion is now... 230 billion, right? The plan,
• 2:54:21
  as they laughably call it, is the first bit is
• 2:54:25
  San Francisco to Merced at the top of the Central
• 2:54:27
  Valley on the regular train line that's already there. And
• 2:54:31
  then Merced to Bakersfield is the high-speed rail. And then
• 2:54:35
  Bakersfield to LA, a bus. Bus. Have you heard that?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: That's real?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 3: It's real. That drive from Bakersfield to LA, which I've
• 2:54:47
  done a lot, it's.
• 2:54:48
  Speaker 1: Through the great- It's already congested as fuck. Right.
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 3: You can take, that can take two and a half
• 2:54:52
  hours if you're unlucky. So this is what it's, and.
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy. 230 billion for that?
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 3: 230 billion. And then Becerra, my opponent, he went to
• 2:55:03
  Fresno the other week. He announced that he would finish
• 2:55:07
  it on time and on budget. On time was six
• 2:55:13
  years ago. On budget.
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 1: It was $ 120 million ago.
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 3: The budget was $ 30 million. They've spent $ 15 million and
• 2:55:21
  they've not laid any tracks at all. Gavin, it's classic Gavin.
• 2:55:26
  It's almost my favorite. He did an event because obviously
• 2:55:29
  he's running for president. This is embarrassing. He wants to
• 2:55:31
  sort of shape the narrative. So he did this press
• 2:55:34
  conference somewhere there with trains in the background to make
• 2:55:38
  it look like this is a real thing. And they
• 2:55:42
  haven't laid any tracks. And there's no plans to lay
• 2:55:44
  any tracks. But he was standing by tracks to sort of,
• 2:55:47
  I think, make people think there's tracks. The phrase that
• 2:55:52
  he used was to announce that we are now entering
• 2:55:56
  the track laying phase. That could be another 10 years.
• 2:56:02
  It's so ridiculous.
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 1: And then you're going to have to get a bus.
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 3: And the bus, it's real. That is the plan. So
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  why is that?
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  Speaker 1: Because the... Just logistics? They can't get the train through
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  the mountains?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's it? So you have to have a bus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't actually know what the long-term plan is.
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  I can't believe that's the whole idea. I think that's
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  just what's going to be available.
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  Speaker 4: It says it's just like the most tunneling has to
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  happen on that part, so maybe they're just waiting.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a long time. It's not the eventual plan.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll do some more tunnels?
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  Speaker 4: It says it would require the most tunneling of the
• 2:56:35
  mountain crossings with four separate tunnels totaling 28 miles in length.
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  Speaker 1: How much of the nature... And they have to.
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  Speaker 4: Go across the San Andreas Fault, which is the biggest problem.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, even better. They're going to cause an earthquake. How
• 2:56:46
  much of nature is going to get destroyed in the
• 2:56:48
  production of that?
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  Speaker 3: But who even wants this?
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  Speaker 1: Tunneling through mountains.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing is... I spoke to someone who works
• 2:56:55
  with Elon, where you can check with Elon. So he
• 2:56:58
  said that you could do the boring couple. I could
• 2:57:00
  do a tunnel. The whole thing for $ 5 billion. Now,
• 2:57:03
  I don't know if that's true, but um it's this
• 2:57:06
  is such a you know it's such a monument to
• 2:57:11
  the whole thing right yeah take the money waste it
• 2:57:15
  spend it on nothing endlessly delayed how.
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  Speaker 1: Come gavin's not running again he can't he can't oh
• 2:57:22
  he did yeah two terms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah it's so crazy and you've got this Pretend
• 2:57:30
  this is what's really they're just a video that someone
• 2:57:32
  found of him talking in 2015 when he was lieutenant
• 2:57:34
  governor About what a joke the whole thing was. Yeah
• 2:57:37
  aren't speaking very honestly about it. Yeah, and and it's
• 2:57:41
  kind of funny and ridiculous Oh look at that. He
• 2:57:44
  says that then now he says but it's actually infuriating
• 2:57:47
  because they're still taking the money to pay for it
• 2:57:50
  They're still pretending and they're taking money out of it
• 2:57:54
  the funding like I said comes from this thing called
• 2:57:57
  cap and invest and Which is the gas tax. It's
• 2:58:03
  just insane.
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  Speaker 1: Steve, I hope you win. We've got to wrap this
• 2:58:06
  up and bring it home, but I hope you win.
• 2:58:08
  It would be funny. It would be hilarious if you win.
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  Speaker 3: Great. What job do you want, Joe? I don't want
• 2:58:13
  a job.
• 2:58:13
  Speaker 1: We'll have you do something. I don't even like going
• 2:58:15
  back to California.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay. The only reason I'm doing it is that
• 2:58:18
  you've moved back.
• 2:58:19
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to move back.
• 2:58:22
  Speaker 3: I know. It's too good here.
• 2:58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it here. I love it here.
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 3: I can see that.
• 2:58:26
  Speaker 1: I really hope you win.
• 2:58:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you, man.
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  Speaker 1: I think you have a chance. I really do. I
• 2:58:31
  mean you make a lot of sense and that's a
• 2:58:34
  lot in this day and age. It's a lot. You're
• 2:58:37
  also actually a good guy. Like I know you. You're
• 2:58:40
  an actual good guy. You're not like some weird lizard person.
• 2:58:44
  You know what I mean? Like there's some fake people. Yes,
• 2:58:46
  I do.
• 2:58:46
  Speaker 3: I've met a lot in Sacramento.
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 1: You are who you are. You are really you. I
• 2:58:51
  can attest to that. I know you. Like I've known
• 2:58:53
  you before you had any political aspirations. You're the exact
• 2:58:55
  same person. There's a lot of these people that are
• 2:58:57
  just skin suits. They're skin suits over lizards. There's lizards
• 2:59:01
  in there. Whether metaphorically or physically, they're fucking lizard people.
• 2:59:06
  And that's a real thing. So I hope you win.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 3: You can come to my inauguration.
• 2:59:11
  Speaker 1: I will. Just that.
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 3: Commit to that.
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll come. If you win, I'll come.
• 2:59:15
  Speaker 3: All right. All right. Bye, everybody.
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  Speaker 5: Bye.