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Best of 2025 · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  It's the program, the podcast where we try to get you, I guess
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  technically into our podcast is what we're doing this episode.
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  My name is Justin. I'm your humble host and you
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  could call me Band curious or yeah, Band curious.
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  I may have been the most band curious I've ever been in 2025.
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  So we are we are doing a best of episode and we don't do best of
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  like most places do best of most places just kind of do clips.
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  I've I'm far too lazy to do clips.
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  I'd rather have yet another conversation.
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  These were born for reasons, but those reasons won't be talked
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  about. John, you're coming back to the
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  fold on the best of this year. So and you know, actually,
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  before I get there, we don't talk about this like on quote UN
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  quote air a whole lot, but I I want we've talked about it a
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  couple times on after the fact. I wanted to point out that in
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  2025, specifically, you, you jumped in and helped me a lot
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  with a lot of the behind the scenes stuff with like
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  scheduling and you know, you were always good at, you know,
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  getting the playlists together, but you, you helped with
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  scheduling, you helped with getting people.
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  We have like a spreadsheet where getting who's on what panels
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  and, and collecting names. A lot of, like a lot of the,
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  the, you know, maybe we call it secretarial, like I don't, I
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  don't know what we call it. But like you, you've definitely
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  helped out a lot in, in 2025, you really jumped in and, and
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  helped me a lot. So I, I just wanted to say right
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  off the top, I appreciate you man.
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  Thank you. That's, that's very nice.
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  I have to give credit to my lovely wife for the spreadsheet.
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  That's her area of expertise. She didn't most of the work on
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  that. I just, she just showed me how
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  to do it. But yeah, like thanks for having
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  me back. Like I've said from the I've
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  been doing these like 8 years now, almost eight years.
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  It's so much fun and I I wish I could do them all, but I, I love
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  being on this show. It's like it always like gives
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  me gets there's a little bit more weight behind it because
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  like you're, you're talking about a whole year and like
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  everyone, all the panelists throughout the whole year, like
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  whether they were on one episode or 10 or 15 or three, they all
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  like put their hard work into it.
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  And you want to like you want to validate that you want to, I
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  want to take that seriously. So this is something that I that
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  I don't do lightly. I like it would be easy to come
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  on. Like I think the for sure Angel.
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  Oh, I'm just going to pick like the the bands I like and the the
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  punk songs, you know, because that's my wheelhouse, you know,
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  but I try really not to do that. I try to make a list of like the
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  best songs of the year and like the most of the people do a
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  pretty good job of picking like the song of the band, like, you
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  know, the number one, like with some notable exceptions, which
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  we'll we'll get to, but no, thank you so much.
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  Like I, I, I love helping out Anything I can do to to make
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  your perculean task easier. Is is is like that's that's the
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  my my pleasure. So, yeah, you're welcome.
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  Thank you. So Gavin, this is your second
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  year doing the, and I, I loved what you brought to the table
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  last year with the stats and stuff.
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  And so we'll get to that again. But like, what was 2025 like in
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  the program for, for you? And, you know, how did you
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  approach this year's episode? Yeah, thanks for having me.
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  I I, I love, I've always loved listening to the best of the
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  year episodes and it was cool. I got to do it last year and I
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  kind of was just like, OK, that was my that was my moment.
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  And then got asked back. And so I'm stoked to be here.
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  It's always cool to be on with Justin, of course.
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  And John is like one of my favorite people to do this with.
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  And then I'm a big fan of Chris. Chris episode Dude, I've
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  listened to all your episodes, like the ones where you and John
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  get into like the real you're like 90s and early 2000 shit.
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  It's just like so fun and like you guys are you bring so much
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  passion to it. I really love the last one where
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  you guys were talking about like pop punk.
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  You know what is you know what, how did pop punk start and like
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  what did it used to mean? And well, anyway, that's for
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  next. Year my rant on that.
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  Episode. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it was solid, Yeah.
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  Yeah, it was a good year. I mean, in the you guys were
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  posting like John posted like, dude, I think this may be the
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  best year yet. Like, and Justin, you were like,
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  yeah, there's like, like almost every song is in contention for
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  my list. Like it was a good year.
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  And then I don't want to steal Chris's Thunder, but like he was
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  just saying, dude, it's a fucking wild split of bands for
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  what more obscure, like really fun punk shit to like the most
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  like standard kind of classic rock stuff that we saw.
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  This was a big year for classic rock undie programmed.
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  And I got in some 80s shit. Like that's my jam, you know,
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  like the new wave, the post punk stuff.
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  So I loved it. I mean, I don't know Justin, if
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  you're doing like a little year in review, but I mean, just to
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  like just to throw out a couple things.
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  Is that cool if I throw out a couple things from the year?
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  So we in do, we did the R.E.M., the R.E.M.
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  Championship edition this year, which for the people that don't
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  know, John put together like hold all their records and like
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  really divvied them up in this cool way.
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  And we did 5 episodes narrowing our songs down and then one
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  fucking bloodbath at the end. It was.
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  Almost lost somebody along the way, but it worked.
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  Out they almost had to go to the hospital.
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  Never shit. Yeah, they got real upset.
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  It was it was, but they brought the passion man.
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  It was funny. It was like it was a five person
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  panel and I feel like there were two people really in like the
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  90s camp and like 2 kind of old, old school like IRS people.
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  And then John, John, like John was the margin Walker bro and he
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  was like he he like totally understood both sides and kind
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  of walked that tightrope. But anybody who hasn't listened,
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  that was really fun to do. Habitual Line.
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  Walker, John. You all know this.
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  You got a reputation on this? Thing Walker and then Justin
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  took a fucking road trip this year and the pitchers were so
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  cool and fun and that looked really cool.
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  Yeah, and I mean. I was there.
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  Yeah, I was going to say you bring up the road trip and this
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  year you're here Chris to to talk about the year for 2025 S
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  talk to me about, you know, your year on deprogrammed in 2025.
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  It was cool man. I I'm really glad being all with
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  you guys. It's an honor to do the year end
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  show. Thank you so much.
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  This was the year I stepped up a little bit.
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  We did a couple of bands I chose and I think it went okay.
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  I had the stroke of genius to go to the Mets game and then you
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  were like, let's do a live episode.
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  And I was like, all right, well, we haven't done some real dumb
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  shit that I like yet. So that's why I was like, got to
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  be cheap trick. There's nothing else.
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  I think I threw out a couple other ideas, but nothing really
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  had the teeth the cheap trick had.
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  I hope I get to do more like Trans am radio rock shit with
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  you guys. I got to get in and do like a
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  Thin Lizzy episode or something that hasn't been done already.
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  I I really enjoyed doing some of the more obscure bands that are
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  close to me getting to do Plow United, which I don't know if it
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  came out this year. I think that was, but I did it
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  all right. I I did it this year like we
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  recorded it this year. So I'm going to count it.
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  Doing that was a joy for me because like if anybody ever
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  asked me would sketchy my band's biggest influences.
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  I always say Plow United. We did my favorite band in
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  Ladderman and in lifetime. I, I always, I said in both
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  episodes, I don't know if anybody caught the joke that I
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  just acted like they were both my favorite band because they
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  both are. And like, you know, we did the
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  whole family. I think, I think the, for me, I,
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  I like to think about goals, right?
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  And like, we've been talking a lot about doing lookout bands.
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  I think we do like a lookout suite this year.
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  You know what I mean? Just like, just like Rocket,
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  like just go down every significant artist from that
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  label because I don't know if anything, but like, I don't know
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  if y'all did Op Ivy or anything really from that era, but
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  technically OK. Cool.
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  Well, I mean, we'd have to touch on it, you know, But I I think
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  we should, we should hit that early California like post
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  hardcore. Yeah, that whole era would be
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  great. But I'm, I'm stoked to be here
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  and I appreciate getting a bigger role.
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  And I'm really sorry for what I'm going to say about Pink
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  Floyd tonight. Well, you, you really just kind
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  of walked into like, you know, one of the coolest things I
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  thought about, you know, 2025 is that we had that we had that
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  rotating punk. It was, it was John, it was
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  Chris, it was David for most of them where we we just tackled
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  like one whole family, which I thought was like a neat approach
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  to take on bands. And it was a way to keep a panel
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  together and, and keep working on stuff.
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  So like it, it served double purposes.
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  You know, me and, and, and my constantly trying to schedule
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  shit brain was like, fuck, yeah, I've got a panel that I can turn
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  something around in three weeks. But we were all like in that
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  same general area. It kept us, you know, working on
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  stuff. It was a lot of fun.
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  And you know, as Gavin mentioned, we had the road trip
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  this last year, which was so cool.
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  And I mean, we, we, we covered a lot of musical ground, a lot of
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  artists that, you know, I don't think I, I mean, again, this is
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  this. I could literally say every
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  year, like a lot of bands that I probably just never would have
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  gotten to in my song choices. It was just, I think this was
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  like a brutal. Usually I have a really good
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  idea what I'm going to do for my 15.
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  I didn't this time, like John, you kind of already touched on
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  it when you, when you're putting together 15, like because the
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  rules are going to change just a slight bit this year, we just
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  each have 15 when you're putting together you're 15.
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  Like I know you, you already kind of touched on it.
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  Was there more thought to it then?
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  Because as you mentioned, you could just pick the ones that
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  you're on and that's the easy way out.
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  Yeah, I mean, I was, I'm, I was just looking at, I think I was
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  on more than 15 episodes, so I wouldn't even be able to pick
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  all the ones that I was on. But yeah, I mean, I try really
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  hard not to just, you know, be the Homer for the the punk and
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  the underground stuff that I like.
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  I try to make a well-rounded list of like, you know, when we
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  go back and look, you know, what were the what were the songs
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  that stood out? And I know you like to, I don't
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  want to steer your Thunder, but you have a another criteria that
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  you look at. But I try to work into that a
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  little bit. Like what?
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  What were the episodes that stuck out to me?
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  And I mean, yeah, a lot of classic rock this year, not as
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  much like like maybe straight up punk as we've done in the last
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  few years, but a a really could make the only thing like not a
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  lot of hip hop, not a lot of rap, which we got to work on.
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  Like we got to get some more of that represented next year.
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  I got some some ideas, but it was it was tough.
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  Like I probably it would have been great to have had 18.
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  I think there's there's three that really hurt that that I
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  that I didn't get to put on there.
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  And I'm sure those will come up and, and it'll, it'll be
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  painful, but I think I have a, a good mix of like the things that
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  I was on that I really, really liked and the things that I
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  wasn't on that that stood out to me and, and deserve.
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  A spot so be before I ask Gavin the same question.
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  I want to ask you this, John. Is there, is there like a
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  conversation, whether it be about a song or like an opening
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  conversation or, or something that really stuck out about an
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  episode you were on this year? Put me on the spot.
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  Usually I don't ask these questions.
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  Yeah, the thing that I, that I remember the thing that stuck
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  out to me the most is actually you being really excited about
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  the Mets pick because you, that was one that you liked and you
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  were like, and we kind of were along and you were like, wait a
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  minute, what? Like that's the best one that I
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  liked. So that when I I that stuck out
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  to me when I was looking back on it, Yeah, it's it's so tough
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  because like you, you don't want to like tip your hand, go back
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  and yeah, but silver juice really stuck out.
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  That episode was cool going, going and picking that one.
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  That was that was a fun one. Yes, Sam, I am going back a long
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  way back to January of last year.
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  That song really stuck out. And you know, just, yeah, I
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  mean, I could go on and on, but that that that's when I think
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  was the one that that stuck out. So Gavin, when you're looking at
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  this overall, you know, 51 songs and we each get 15, like is this
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  something like, do you have a set criteria when you're
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  starting to pick your songs for this?
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  Yeah, I don't know if it's a criteria.
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  It's a little overwhelming. Like the ways that you can, the
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  angles that you can kind of go, right, like play it straight up
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  the middle, listen to the songs and pick your 15 favorite songs,
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  right? Like I'm just getting best
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  playlist, you know? But I more think about it like
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  kind of like a, this is kind of like a, I don't know, like a
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  celebration of the show, right? So I look at the different
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  panels and instead of doing album representation, I try to
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  lean into panel representation, like who really showed up?
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  You know, what panels really like put out some effort and
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  some work and like, and I find a way to like pick one of the
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  honour that panel and the work that they did.
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  You know what I mean? I think like, I don't know,
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  there's other considerations. I mean, oh, the thing that's the
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  big thing for me is like passion and like when the episodes
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  really good and sometimes there's like a fucking really
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  great episode where if people are really duking it out and
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  there's people are giving really great speeches and then I just
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  cannot I just don't care about the song.
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  Like I don't like the song. I don't care about the you know,
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  so that's a good or vice versa. Like I love the song in the band
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  in the episode felt just kind of like, OK, like that was like
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  whatever, that was an OK episode.
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  So it's kind of like the best of what does the best of mean?
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  You know what I mean? And then the conundrum is always
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  what you were saying. Like obviously you want to pick
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  all your panels and songs because you brought them to the
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  table. Like you love that shit and care
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  about it. I did pretty good.
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  I I did about halvesies. I had eight that weren't mine
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  and seven that were mine. So let me ask you the same
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  question I asked John. Is there like a conversation or
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  a moment from an episode you're on this this past year that
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  really sticks out to you? There's a bunch.
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  I mean, I was on some fucking really good panels this year and
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  really good bands, but I think that the Pavement episode was
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  really fucking wild for me. It was a big John was on that,
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  it was a big pan and you of course, Justin, it was a big
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  panel. Jenny was on that and Cat was on
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  that. And like I came into it like,
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  oh, we're going to get 10 fucking songs.
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  This is slam dunk. Like the greatest Pavement songs
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  are so obvious and I just got fuck it dude, the first thing
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  Cat cat's like terror. Twilight's my favorite pavement.
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  How much like the? Class.
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  I was just like, what? And then Jenny fucking came out
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  with some crazy ass curveballs and like I got blown out of the
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  water. Like none of this shit I thought
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  was going to make it in there made it in there.
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  I was like, but it was a really good, I thought that was a
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  really good episode of what a cool fucking weird band to like,
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  have a cool, weird episode on, you know.
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  I love, I love that, you know, our lists aren't always
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  consensus. Like that's why I always get so
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  upset when people get upset about our list.
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  You really have to listen to the episode to understand how we got
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  to the list. Like, I mean, somebody could
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  have brought up the song that you are talking about and fought
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  very passionately for it. It just didn't.
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  Again, I'm always a wild card in this.
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  So like, I take responsibility sometimes, you know, like more
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  often than not, I am learning the band.
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  So what's what's seems, you know, an absolute slam dunk for
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  somebody who's been listening to the band the whole time they've
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  existed, might not have even come anywhere near my radar
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  because I'm just finding out about the band.
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  So like that that kind of curveball can really take a,
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  hey, we should be getting 7 or 8 20.
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  No, we're getting 2 and it's going to be a slugfest to get
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  the rest of the eight in here. So like, yeah, I don't know,
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  man. It be kind to us.
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  I'm just saying like, do not yell about our list unless
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  you've actually listened to the episode.
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  I guess is is really the point that I try to hammer home in in
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  all these. That's right, you got to listen
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  to the episode to see how John can pull songs out of.
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  The track, it's pure abstinence. Man, I don't know what you're
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  talking about. I really think it is one of
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  John's favorite things to like, you know, when we're going into
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  the conversation and like I, I'm like, oh man, we've got enough
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  threes to cover this. And then he's like, yeah, but
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  there's like 7 twos. I want to go to bat 4 and it's
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  like oh come on. Like or just.
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  Force a will. Yeah, if, if you're, if you're
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  expecting that to stop, it's not.
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  Going Oh, no, and well, and you it it, you know, to me, it, it
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  always ramps up the conversation when when that happens, because
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  that means there's more passion for whatever those twos are, you
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  know, and it also just kind of depends on what a slog it took
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  to get to that point. If if it's just like miss after
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  miss after miss. And I'm like, OK, man, I'm just
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  trying to get this thing home. Let's let's let's cross the
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  plate. That that's when I dig in the
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  most you. Do.
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  You do come alive in the fourth quarter.
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  It's true. It's very true.
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  It's very true. So, Chris, again, we, we talked
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  about the road trip, we talked about, you know, we, we like, we
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  talked about your increased presence on the show this last
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  year. Like when you're looking at
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  this, this 51, I know you've already mentioned a couple that
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  were to like clear nose for you, but like it if you're as you're
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  putting this together, like do you have a set criteria 'cause
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  this is your first time doing the best of like there's really
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  no wrong way to do it. So how are you putting yours
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  together? I started kind of methodical.
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  I started out making a secondary playlist with every song on it
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  and just ranking them by my perceived how I was going to
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  feel, right. And like, you know, like I was
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  like, fuck you, Johnny Rotten, that's the last song no matter
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  what. And it ended up being that,
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  like, stuff like that. You know what I mean?
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  You know, like, there was a lot of things here that kind of
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  prove my weird takes. Like, if you think Rush and
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  Boston are the same thing, then that's the reason why you're not
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  my friend, you know, stuff, stuff, stuff like that.
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  Like, and for what it's worth, Boston's a band and Russia's
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  just, you know, for blowjobs. So like, I, I, I, I had a pretty
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  easy time doing it by complete bias.
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  Took me 10 seconds. I was like, OK, well, I'll never
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  like a Lizzo song because like, you know, in order to be a hip
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  hop artist, you've got to be cool.
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  And she never seemed cool to me. So that like went right out the
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  window and like, I was able to just kind of go that way down
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  the line. And then it was things like, I
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  don't think I need to stump for me and Julio down by the
• 22:00
  schoolyard. Like I feel like people, people
• 22:02
  know it's a good song. Like I, I don't think I have
• 22:04
  takes, you know, I don't think I could be like, I'm going to give
• 22:06
  you a new perspective on Paul Simon, you know, so I started
• 22:11
  going like, OK, I don't really need to listen to that song.
• 22:14
  I don't need to listen to this song.
• 22:16
  I, I ended up listening to the whole list multiple times, but
• 22:18
  you know what I mean? Like when I was going through
• 22:19
  and learning and I had some surprises, like I, I like the
• 22:22
  teenage risk song a lot. And I've been told a million
• 22:24
  times that I should like them. And, and I guess like, I was
• 22:27
  like, oh, it sounds like Deftones.
• 22:29
  I get it, guys, whatever. But like I, I, I actually like
• 22:32
  the song. Silver Jews was cool.
• 22:34
  Never heard them before either. These things didn't make my
• 22:36
  list. That's why I'm pointing them
• 22:37
  out. And there's stuff like I really
• 22:40
  love Killing Joke, but like Requiem didn't make my top 15,
• 22:44
  right? So like the and, and I got to
• 22:46
  say, like you, you were just giving a whole speech about what
• 22:51
  I shouldn't do and I'm going to do it anyways.
• 22:53
  I was supposed to be on the Lord Jane Grace episode.
• 22:55
  How on earth did Dysphoria hoodie not only make the list,
• 22:58
  but be the number one song? That is insane.
• 23:03
  Like I, I know you asked me not to do it, but I don't care.
• 23:05
  I I love you so much that I'm going to break your heart.
• 23:09
  The what? Like truly, if not the best, the
• 23:11
  most important songwriter. They came into prominence in my
• 23:14
  lifetime and I didn't choose it. It felt so weird, but like,
• 23:20
  there was a lot of shows I was on.
• 23:22
  There was a lot of shows that I would have been on and I ended
• 23:24
  up with those. I guess it's the long the short
• 23:26
  version of my long answer. Well, I mean, there is no time
• 23:29
  limit. We go as long as we want to on
• 23:31
  these ones, baby. My, I, my criteria is always the
• 23:36
  same. You know, my, my play order will
• 23:38
  be different, but my criteria is always the same.
• 23:42
  I always try to even it between just songs that I like, episodes
• 23:48
  that I remember that were fun and songs where I think we did
• 23:52
  the thing. So you know that when when you
• 23:56
  look at it that way, that's 555. We we mentioned there's very few
• 24:04
  that like I would be a staunch no, and most of those are songs
• 24:08
  I'd be shocked that I would have to put my foot down on like
• 24:12
  until you guys know we're not having those like I.
• 24:15
  I would be you telling me that the weirdest song by Flight of
• 24:18
  the Conchords isn't 1 of the 15 best songs of the year.
• 24:21
  What I'm telling you is that if, fuck, I can't even remember the
• 24:25
  name of the band right now, if all of you guys have Hailstorm
• 24:32
  and I have. To plan things to say about that
• 24:34
  though, I was hoping someone had it.
• 24:37
  If all of you have hailstorm and I have to put my foot down and
• 24:40
  say no, then I'm going to be shocked.
• 24:43
  Oh, what if I just what if I just nostalgic for signing CDs
• 24:47
  and hot topic while I was on tour?
• 24:48
  And, and also can I, can I say this was ignored?
• 24:51
  And I don't mean to cut you off, Justin, I promise you I won't do
• 24:53
  it all night. I don't give a shit.
• 24:54
  We talked a lot about we talked a lot about like the the classic
• 24:57
  rock presence. Let's talk about the new metal
• 25:00
  presence because there's a shit ton of new metal in this.
• 25:03
  What what is going on? I, I was joking.
• 25:06
  I was joking. I swear to you that seven dust
• 25:11
  song might be the most boring song I've ever listened to
• 25:13
  multiple times. I, I, I, I can't believe they
• 25:17
  showed up to practice and went, hey guys, I wrote this and
• 25:20
  everyone went yo, I'm also a grown up that plays music for a
• 25:23
  living and that's a good song we should release to the public.
• 25:27
  It's very interesting like. How?
• 25:30
  Not a like new metal did not age well.
• 25:35
  I mean like. Hey, you know my take on corn?
• 25:38
  Yeah, but like, I guess what I mean like the the, the I like
• 25:43
  Sevendust, to be fair, but like, they're not a band I'm going to
• 25:47
  go back to, right? Like the time with Sell?
• 25:51
  Sell that song to me. Sell.
• 25:52
  Sell black to me. Sell this song to me.
• 25:54
  Why is it a good song? Why is it a good song or why was
• 25:58
  it the Best Song? Literally it sounds.
• 26:01
  It sounds like somebody noodling on a riff and sounds with it.
• 26:05
  I would hear that's voice to be honest.
• 26:07
  It was like pretty much my whole thing with 7 does just period as
• 26:12
  I think that's Corey. I don't recall, but like I like
• 26:16
  that guy's voice a lot. I thought he had an interesting
• 26:19
  voice at a time where most of those lead singers kind of did
• 26:25
  the same thing. So, you know, that was, that's
• 26:28
  my take on them and and that, but I mean, I to the point from
• 26:34
  before, like, yeah, we had a punk, you know, we had a punk
• 26:38
  panel. I had a new metal panel like
• 26:41
  that I could rely on like every, you know, once every three
• 26:44
  months or something. Bless that, bless you all on
• 26:47
  that panel, and I'm going to listen to every episode.
• 26:49
  But I also, I also had like, you know, the the 90s defense panel.
• 26:55
  We unfortunately have lost Peter recently.
• 26:58
  I was going to try to not bring it up because this will be like
• 27:00
  the third straight episode, but he was on a lot of those panels.
• 27:04
  It was him, Brian Cohen and and Christian and those guys would
• 27:11
  come on and we would like go to bat for these 90s bands that
• 27:14
  kind of got lost in the shuffle. And we we had that kind of
• 27:18
  rotating through this year too. Is is just a it was it's just a
• 27:23
  fun, fun year for me. Like when you look at kind of
• 27:27
  everything that kind of got covered so well.
• 27:31
  Let me ask you this too, before we move on to the next layer.
• 27:34
  Chris, do you have a moment that or that from an episode that
• 27:38
  kind of sticks out to you from one of your episodes?
• 27:41
  I mean, it's obviously Knife Time for anybody that hasn't
• 27:49
  delved through me and John's catalog.
• 27:54
  We we were trying to help you name your band, if I remember
• 27:56
  correctly, right. And we were talking about, I was
• 27:59
  like, I mean, listen, man, lifetime's been like my favorite
• 28:01
  band since I was like 15 years old.
• 28:03
  And and we just all you got to do is come up with a version of
• 28:06
  that. And then we landed on Knife Time
• 28:08
  and couldn't, couldn't stop laughing.
• 28:10
  Like it was quite when I listened back, I was like, this
• 28:13
  quite literally sounds like we put record on our cell phone at
• 28:16
  a slumber party and we're thirteen years old.
• 28:18
  Like. And the three of us, the four of
• 28:21
  us rather, because Brian was Dave was there, right?
• 28:24
  Yeah, David was there like, literally we were just giggling
• 28:28
  like children. And it was, I think like a
• 28:30
  beautiful thing of what the show can be, right?
• 28:33
  Like just grown men being dorks. We're just big music nerds that
• 28:37
  and like, we're we're being tasked with like having takes.
• 28:42
  And then we were all we're just full of them.
• 28:44
  Certified take Havers is US, you know.
• 28:47
  No, that was after the that was after the fact for a lifetime.
• 28:51
  And like you said, like because I was arguing with the boys
• 28:54
  about what the name of the band would be and like I jokingly
• 28:59
  said like poop knife or something.
• 29:00
  So that was like the starting. So I was starting the
• 29:04
  conversation there and you were talking about, well, lifetime,
• 29:06
  you know, And then I was like kind of joking like a lifetime.
• 29:09
  And we all just died. Like, dude, I love that it's
• 29:12
  Dumber than I remember. That's even better.
• 29:14
  I like it's so indicative of like, because it was just the
• 29:17
  feeling was what it was because like, I was also in a dark
• 29:20
  place. You know, I've I've talked about
• 29:21
  it enough that my buddy had passed away too.
• 29:23
  And I wanted to send condolences for the the friend from the show
• 29:27
  I never got to meet. But you know, anybody that's
• 29:29
  struggling with that, I'm really sorry.
• 29:30
  I know exactly how you feel. And to his friends and family,
• 29:35
  God bless. Like I, I really hope things are
• 29:36
  going better. But like I, I talked enough
• 29:38
  about my best friend passing away at that time.
• 29:40
  I think every show I was on and that night was really the first
• 29:44
  night. And you know, 2 weeks later I
• 29:46
  met my girlfriend and now I'm living with her.
• 29:47
  And like that was a moment in my year that my year turned around,
• 29:51
  you know what I mean? So I think like that night, I,
• 29:56
  it was a night where I, like I said, I'm exhausted, but I'm
• 29:59
  just going to do this with some guys I get along with.
• 30:02
  Yeah. And it changed my perspective
• 30:03
  for going into the that part of the year.
• 30:05
  Oh, man, that you know, I didn't I didn't know that part.
• 30:10
  Like I knew the other part, but I didn't know that part that.
• 30:15
  So this is as good a time as any to talk about it.
• 30:18
  I think Gavin, you and I were kind of talking about this,
• 30:20
  this, you know, before, before we went on like, yes, this is
• 30:25
  just a dumb podcast. But what, what people really
• 30:28
  probably should understand is that it is a community and it's
• 30:33
  a growing community, but like it is a community.
• 30:35
  Like it's the only way we're going to get through this.
• 30:42
  You know this, like if you could see me, I'm I'm kind of
• 30:45
  gesturing, but the community is the only way through, right
• 30:48
  Gavin? Yeah.
• 30:50
  I mean, I said, you know, earlier to you, it gives us you
• 30:54
  give us a chance to like get super enthusiastic about
• 30:59
  something that we really love. And that's like a joy.
• 31:01
  And anytime you can put your focus and attention on art and
• 31:05
  music, it's going to be a win and start to turn the tide of
• 31:11
  dark forces. And yeah, it is a community.
• 31:13
  It's fucking so weird. It's like you feel kind of like,
• 31:16
  you know, these people that you've never met.
• 31:18
  And I mean, I feel like I know people I've never been on a
• 31:20
  panel with. I've just heard all their
• 31:22
  pounds, you know, It's kind of fun.
• 31:25
  Yeah. But I appreciate you giving
• 31:30
  people the space to talk about their favorite bands.
• 31:32
  I mean, what that's like, what could be more fun than that?
• 31:35
  You know, it's the funnest thing to do.
• 31:37
  And you know, I'll, I'll say this like you do not have to
• 31:41
  pledge to the Patreon to be on the show. patreon.com/show.
• 31:44
  Hi Justin. Though a dollar a month gets you
• 31:47
  in the door and it gets you an automatic invite to the discord
• 31:51
  and you know that it's just an easier way to get the ball
• 31:55
  rolling. But I mean, you, you don't have
• 31:58
  to do that. It just come join the discord
• 32:00
  and just, you know, express interest in being on the show
• 32:03
  and and we'll get the ball rolling on that.
• 32:06
  I want to turn the attention towards stats because something
• 32:09
  you did like it came up as we were going out the door last
• 32:13
  year. So I, I, I wanted to get to it
• 32:15
  earlier this year. Gavin, last year you, you, you
• 32:18
  took some stats on like like panels.
• 32:20
  Like how many how many panels did I am dying to hear how we
• 32:25
  did this year as far as panels and and whatever stats you got.
• 32:29
  Oh yeah, there's not a lot. It's kind of like Trainspotting
• 32:32
  stuff, but I'm like kind of a super fan, so it's fun to just
• 32:35
  look back at the year and kind of my brain wants to organize
• 32:38
  everything. So I threw all the songs into
• 32:42
  decades from the 60s to the 20 twenties.
• 32:49
  Does anybody want to guess which decade had the most episodes
• 32:53
  this year? Oh, the 90s.
• 32:57
  Yeah, I agree. 90s. Nothing.
• 33:00
  My inclination is 80s, but some of those 80s might have been
• 33:05
  early 90s, so I'm going to stick with 80s just to be different.
• 33:10
  OK, it was. It was the 90s by far.
• 33:15
  There were 15 episodes. Exactly the same as last year in
• 33:18
  the 90s. Took the title last year too.
• 33:21
  All right, that's enough 40 year olds picking bands and.
• 33:26
  Then it's almost a perfect bell curve off the 90s.
• 33:29
  So there was there was 2 episodes from the 60s, seven
• 33:33
  from the 70s. We had a real 70s Show out this
• 33:36
  year. There were nine from the 80s,
• 33:40
  there were six from the 2000s, eight from the 20 tens and four
• 33:46
  from the 20 twenties. So yeah, like a bell curve.
• 33:50
  Wow. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 33:54
  At this point, since we're we're talking numbers this year, you
• 33:59
  know, I'm not going to put out like how many downloads, but I
• 34:03
  did take the top ten downloaded episodes this year.
• 34:07
  If anybody's got anything to say about these, feel free.
• 34:11
  At #10 Flight of the Conchords was the 10s ten most most
• 34:17
  downloaded episode I mean. It's a curiosity, right?
• 34:20
  It makes sense. #9 Chris has already taken a giant shit on
• 34:26
  them, Rush. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's fine.
• 34:31
  Yeah, everyone's got bad calls. #8 was failure.
• 34:36
  Whoa. Yeah, which I thought was.
• 34:38
  Interesting, that was a cool tune.
• 34:39
  That was a cool tune. I was shocked by that tune.
• 34:41
  I liked it. A.
• 34:41
  Lot yeah #7 yet another John episode.
• 34:44
  Amyl and the sniffers. Yeah.
• 34:48
  Nice. No shit.
• 34:49
  Yeah, very. Excited Are Australian fans
• 34:52
  kicking? In there, yeah, there's, there's
• 34:53
  a bit of Australian influence on this list, I noticed.
• 34:55
  For sure number six. This was neat to see suicidal
• 34:59
  tendencies. Hell yeah.
• 35:02
  Number 5 was Duran Duran. Not really a shocker.
• 35:07
  Yeah. #4 was Sly and the family stone.
• 35:12
  Wow. Yep #3 was Pink Floyd also not
• 35:18
  really a shocker? I understand the conversation,
• 35:20
  but #2 was Neil Diamond, which I was a bit shocked at and #1 was
• 35:31
  Doobie Brothers. Wow.
• 35:33
  Yeah, that's. Awesome boomer is really getting
• 35:37
  into deprogram this. You know, right?
• 35:39
  Yeah, dude, it's all about, it's all about stoners and riot girl
• 35:44
  up in here. That's it.
• 35:47
  That's all we do. Yeah.
• 35:50
  There's also a bunch of bands with guys, singers on this list
• 35:52
  that sound like riot girls so. And no less than two guys that
• 35:56
  sound kind of like Nick Cave. Everything you could ever want.
• 36:01
  I always ask the listeners you know to vote on episodes as
• 36:06
  well. Anybody want to guess what our
• 36:12
  number 10 vote getter was? Sorry, voter vote getter.
• 36:17
  For what? For the audience's vote for
• 36:22
  episodes of the year. Number. 10 Nope.
• 36:30
  I will say Pulp is on the list though.
• 36:32
  They're just not ten. Yeah, I know the.
• 36:39
  Nope, no clue. OK.
• 36:41
  All right. They are on both, I don't know
• 36:43
  what. The audience.
• 36:44
  Excuse. Yeah, well, usually, usually
• 36:47
  most years it's most punk, but not this year.
• 36:51
  Other than this band, who is on both?
• 36:54
  Do we go too wide? Both both lists Amel and the
• 36:58
  sniffers at #10. Wow.
• 37:01
  Having a moment, having a moment that.
• 37:03
  Yeah. Like that was, that was such a
• 37:06
  quick episode, too. It was just like, yeah, we
• 37:09
  didn't really have to argue. It's just like we just picked
• 37:11
  the songs and we we were done. Yeah.
• 37:13
  And then they're like, I got a bunch of songs sound like this,
• 37:16
  and every song about just sounds like this.
• 37:18
  And if you like that, then you'll like our band.
• 37:21
  I'd go see them for sure, they seem fun.
• 37:24
  Thanks for coming to see us. #9 also on both lists, Flight of
• 37:29
  the Conchords. This one I was a little shocked
• 37:34
  at. No love on the numbers, but #8
• 37:37
  the Vandals. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:40
  Good. That's cool. #7 We just had an
• 37:45
  extensive conversation about them.
• 37:47
  Seven dust. I'm sorry everyone see this is
• 37:51
  going to be the most controversial.
• 37:54
  Yeah. Where else can I come and talk
• 37:56
  shit about Sevendust and be the enemy?
• 37:58
  That's amazing. It's like, it's like going to.
• 38:01
  It's like, it's like my own personal hell of an emo net.
• 38:04
  It's amazing. Number six, I'm actually kind of
• 38:07
  shocked that this wasn't a little higher and it came out
• 38:13
  shortly after you pass. Number six is Ozzy Osbourne.
• 38:17
  Oh yeah? Well, yeah, I think probably he
• 38:19
  was getting Googled a lot, right?
• 38:20
  Yeah, I, I. Would.
• 38:22
  Have thought that that it would have been higher and that that
• 38:25
  it would have been on our more downloaded list.
• 38:28
  But a lot, a lot of the times the numbers don't catch up for
• 38:31
  like the episodes from September to December, so.
• 38:35
  Oh, you know, that reminded me not to Not to do a, a tangent
• 38:40
  already, but my girlfriend used to work in entertainment law.
• 38:45
  And after we got done with the Play United episode, she was
• 38:47
  like, Oh yeah, it's great for you guys to do bands that small
• 38:50
  because for the rest of time when they're Googled, your show
• 38:53
  will come up. And I was like, oh God, you're
• 38:54
  right. Like we'll we'll almost
• 38:56
  certainly be the newest piece of news about them until they
• 38:59
  decide they want to be a band again.
• 39:00
  Wow, so like. That that show will probably be
• 39:03
  downloaded a lot, you know what I mean?
• 39:04
  Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:07
  But I never thought of that. I was like, Oh yeah, that's a
• 39:09
  good point. That one literally just came out
• 39:10
  last week so. Yeah.
• 39:12
  And so we'll watch the numbers on it and we'll see if Rachel is
• 39:15
  is correct. Sorry to cut you off.
• 39:17
  I just forgot about. That brother, that's all this
• 39:19
  is. So #5 is pulp.
• 39:25
  Yeah. Let's see #4 And also on both
• 39:29
  lists. Duran Duran.
• 39:31
  Hell yeah. That's sick.
• 39:33
  That's great. #3. Fuck Paul Simon.
• 39:37
  You're not going to believe #3. Paul Simon.
• 39:41
  I was hoping that I was right. OK, fine.
• 39:45
  No, you're fine. You're fine. #2 interesting
• 39:47
  Killing Joke. That's awesome.
• 39:50
  Yeah, that's so cool. That's so round.
• 39:53
  Yeah, and then #1 pavement. Yeah.
• 39:58
  Oh, awesome. Brooklyn.
• 40:00
  Yeah, that's. Why you got to do more Brooklyn
• 40:02
  bands, baby. All I'm all about it.
• 40:05
  So, but you know it, it is neat that there was like some cross
• 40:10
  section this year between what the number said versus versus
• 40:14
  what the audience thought. So it it's it's neat that there
• 40:18
  was some crossover there. It wasn't much, but there was
• 40:21
  some. So all right, so we we never
• 40:24
  take breaks on this. We just jump right on in into
• 40:27
  the list. And I'm going to, I'm going to
• 40:31
  start with the one that it wasn't my favorite song of the
• 40:34
  year. And I know it's going to come
• 40:37
  up. I hope I get to play it.
• 40:38
  But it's OK if I don't, if I start anywhere but here, I'm
• 40:42
  lying to myself. I'm disrespecting Peter, I'm
• 40:46
  disrespecting the panel. I'm going with stuck on you by
• 40:50
  failure. No.
• 40:55
  It didn't make it for me, but I was really surprised about that
• 40:58
  one. I like it a lot.
• 41:01
  Yeah, no. Wow.
• 41:04
  I It's a great song man, but it's just a base like for for 4
• 41:08
  1/2 minutes, you know what I mean?
• 41:10
  So here's what I'm going to say that if that is if, because it's
• 41:15
  not even like I'm going to fight to get that in because that that
• 41:19
  one is critical to me for the year.
• 41:25
  That was such a fun conversation.
• 41:28
  It is right on brand for me. Like song wise like.
• 41:31
  Justin, if you're going to fight for it, you should start your
• 41:34
  own show. I mean, we'll episodes like
• 41:40
  these like because it's so sparse, like a one really isn't
• 41:44
  out it. It could just as easily get back
• 41:49
  into the sneak back in the conversation.
• 41:50
  But I'm I I'm telling you, I picked that because of Peter and
• 41:57
  because Peter was on that episode like it it it meant a
• 42:00
  lot to me. And because I can't believe that
• 42:04
  it took this show for me to become a a fan of that band.
• 42:07
  Like is ridiculous. So stuck on you in the bin
• 42:12
  currently. But I'm I'm going to be a stick
• 42:16
  in the mud about that one. I really am.
• 42:18
  So all right, John. All right, I'm gonna go with the
• 42:26
  listeners. And probably my favorite song
• 42:30
  this whole year, Summer Babe by Pavement.
• 42:33
  Yeah, Yeah. I.
• 42:34
  Got it. Yeah.
• 42:36
  I have it, it was my last ad. Nice.
• 42:41
  I, I I like that song there. There are so many Pavement songs
• 42:44
  I love. This song is merely good to me.
• 42:48
  But you know, Brooklyn and Pavements great.
• 42:51
  So yeah, it made it for me too. Hey, I wanted to shout out Adam,
• 42:55
  that was on that episode too, our friend in Australia, right?
• 42:59
  Justin. Yes, right.
• 43:00
  He was great on that episode. Huge Pavement fan.
• 43:03
  He he he brought it. Yeah.
• 43:06
  And like, shortly after that episode aired, I went to see the
• 43:11
  new Steven Mamas band, The Hard Quartet, and ended up running
• 43:15
  into him at the Mexican restaurant next door.
• 43:18
  And we had a little bit of a talk.
• 43:19
  So that was that was cool too. That's fucking sick man.
• 43:22
  I was sick all. Right.
• 43:25
  There's one, I had a feeling we were going to get that one, but
• 43:29
  that to be to tell you guys which ones that fit under that
• 43:35
  one, fit under personal favorites.
• 43:38
  I just really like that song a lot.
• 43:40
  So, yeah. All right, Gavin.
• 43:44
  John, I thought we came strong on the seven Seconds episode.
• 43:47
  Dude, I got young till I die. Oh wow.
• 43:50
  OK. It made it for me too.
• 43:53
  It was cool that you guys got something from that record.
• 43:56
  By the way, I didn't expect something from the 1st 2
• 43:57
  records. That's cool.
• 44:00
  Look, you know, push me over with a feather when we get to
• 44:05
  that point, but that's definitely one that I would not
• 44:09
  be opposed to having in. I just didn't didn't have it on
• 44:12
  my. List I I didn't have it either,
• 44:15
  but I'm I'm OK with it if it if it makes it.
• 44:17
  Of course for. For the culture, I had to put
• 44:20
  it. All right, So that's gets a 2,
• 44:25
  Chris. So I'm I'm taking a strategy
• 44:28
  here. I'm going to go what the the
• 44:30
  lowest ranked I have still left is every time.
• 44:34
  So my #15 as I said, was pavement and my and my number 11
• 44:38
  was 7 seconds. It is the metal core winter and
• 44:42
  I'm gone with botch as #14. Wow, I look.
• 44:46
  I great story before you guys say anything, my buddy Matt for
• 44:51
  his birthday a couple years ago botch was playing this record in
• 44:54
  full and it has a reunion and we spent so much goddamn money on
• 45:00
  tickets. I mean it's it was putrid and I
• 45:03
  had all I had just spent a lot of money to see poison the well
• 45:06
  play opposite of December. So just like my metal core
• 45:08
  winter. So that's why I'm saying this is
• 45:10
  now the metal core winter. And like we got to the show the
• 45:14
  day of the tickets for $11.00 each.
• 45:16
  Nobody wanted to go to this fucking thing.
• 45:18
  And we had spent like 30-40 dollars each.
• 45:21
  And we bring his wife who's I, I don't know if I should say is
• 45:24
  like in a pretty popular hardcore band and she plays bass
• 45:28
  in it and she's like watching botch and she turns to us and
• 45:32
  she goes, you guys didn't tell me this band was good.
• 45:35
  And we were like, no, no, no, no.
• 45:37
  You just assumed because of their genre they weren't.
• 45:39
  They're fucking amazing, so I just wanted to be able to tell
• 45:42
  that story really more than anything.
• 45:44
  Oh man, I got to see them at A at a small like basically a rec
• 45:48
  room at at Georgia Tech in like 1998 and they were unbelievable.
• 45:53
  Yeah. Just just all that said, that's
• 45:56
  one of the three that I, that I did not pick that I was on that
• 45:59
  really hurt. So I was.
• 46:00
  Probably for you that's. Crazy.
• 46:02
  I know, I know, I know. Yeah, can't save your brother.
• 46:08
  All right, I just I love these songs and these bands that like
• 46:13
  take like perhaps like it's like the the the kings and Queens,
• 46:18
  the discard pile, right, like metal core is objectively dog
• 46:21
  shit, but there's just a couple of bands that are just beyond
• 46:24
  their peers, right? Their contemporaries can eat a
• 46:26
  Dick. These these bands are like, you
• 46:28
  know what I mean? Like botch is one of them.
• 46:30
  That's that's that's it you. Know Gavin, you didn't have that
• 46:33
  one. Oh, my bad, Gavin.
• 46:36
  I'm sorry man. No, you're good.
• 46:37
  I, I, I I didn't say anything. I didn't speak.
• 46:40
  Out yeah, All right, well, John left it for me so I'm going to
• 46:44
  play my my favorite song that this show has probably ever done
• 46:51
  like one of the most my most favorite discoveries like it it
• 46:56
  eeks in a head of super drag. It's a band I still listen to a
• 46:59
  lot. It's a song I still listen to a
• 47:01
  lot. Mets a boat to drown in.
• 47:07
  Yeah, yeah, I don't have it. It's cool.
• 47:13
  It was a good song. That's right.
• 47:16
  I didn't see like for me, like coming in never here in the
• 47:19
  band, right. I didn't see what made it stand
• 47:21
  out with other post hardcore. Like I was like this.
• 47:24
  I I literally looked at Rachel was like this could just be a
• 47:26
  drug church song. I know there's so many people
• 47:28
  that want to throw things at me right now for.
• 47:29
  Saying. That.
• 47:31
  But like genuinely like I, I couldn't tell the difference
• 47:33
  between this band and any other band that sounds exactly like it
• 47:36
  so. Well, you know, and see this,
• 47:39
  this is where listening to the episode held.
• 47:41
  And I'm not, I'm not. Yeah, I hear you disparaging
• 47:43
  you, but like, there's a whole I want.
• 47:45
  To do it off this right, I just had a listen that's.
• 47:47
  Exactly. But like to anybody who hasn't
• 47:50
  listened to the episode, there is a story behind like they
• 47:54
  reunited for like a one show only thing.
• 47:58
  Literally a song only. They played this song for John
• 48:01
  Mulaney last year at everyone's live and I happened to catch it
• 48:07
  and I was like, holy shit, who the fuck is this band?
• 48:10
  And I fucking loved it. And I went to look it up and I
• 48:15
  go, John, why the fuck haven't we done Mets yet?
• 48:17
  And he's like, I put them on the list years ago.
• 48:20
  That's your fault, dude. So he like immediately got on
• 48:25
  it. And like, again, this is one of
• 48:27
  those bands that it's like, you know, maybe this is a genre I
• 48:31
  should have been in into more kind of to your point, Chris,
• 48:36
  but like, this is a band that should have been in my life like
• 48:40
  always. 100%, man. Like objectively good song.
• 48:43
  I'm not talking shit. I'm just saying like, for coming
• 48:46
  out not knowing the band, nothing was going to put it in
• 48:48
  my top 15, right? That's all.
• 48:50
  I mean, yeah. Yeah, Oh man, that, that song,
• 48:53
  like I, when we came in that episode, I think that song is
• 48:58
  from, I forget the name of the but I, yeah, Atlas pending.
• 49:03
  But I, I was heavy on the 1st 2 Mets records when they came out.
• 49:06
  That song wasn't really on my radar, But then we were talking
• 49:10
  about it and yeah, that that was the one that you came in with
• 49:14
  Justin. You were like, yeah, like I love
• 49:15
  the song and we were all in on it.
• 49:17
  And ever since then, like that song's been in heavy rotation
• 49:21
  for me. It's been on like every, every
• 49:22
  playlist that I make on my my phone to listen to.
• 49:26
  And that's another band that I got to see at a really small
• 49:29
  place. Maybe in 2013, 2014, they played
• 49:33
  at A at a club in Atlanta and went on it like one in the
• 49:37
  morning and people literally bouncing off the walls.
• 49:39
  They were just, it was like seeing Nirvana in 1988 or
• 49:43
  something. They were unbelievable.
• 49:44
  And. I'll take a three there.
• 49:46
  A 3 is really really good on a best of SO.
• 49:52
  And genuinely, I came into this knowing that I would be the only
• 49:55
  person I knew it. I fucking knew it.
• 49:58
  Look, the the thing I'm not worried about is the gameplay is
• 50:01
  so much different for these like really been even something that
• 50:07
  gets bend isn't technically out unless you know like we had
• 50:11
  somehow get like 9 threes because we already have the one
• 50:15
  that's all the way through. Like they they generally
• 50:19
  speaking don't get a lot unanimously.
• 50:21
  So I'd be shocked if there is another one out there so.
• 50:25
  Is it, you know, there's, there's another unanimous in
• 50:28
  here. Could be, I mean.
• 50:30
  You serious? Yeah, because, because.
• 50:34
  It's rare, it's rare. It's.
• 50:35
  Just rare. Yeah, like everybody.
• 50:37
  I have I have a feeling that a certain animal and its its
• 50:41
  appetite for food may very well be a four of I.
• 50:46
  Don't know man, we will. See, we all, we all, we all
• 50:49
  spoke, we all spoke very highly of the, the Duran Durans.
• 50:53
  I, I feel like, I feel like it may go, that we'll see.
• 50:56
  We'll see. I don't.
• 50:57
  Want no spoilers? No spoilers.
• 50:58
  All right, so boat to drowning is a three John.
• 51:04
  All right, sometimes there's an episode that it's they they end
• 51:10
  up picking the perfect song. And I listened to this episode.
• 51:15
  I wasn't on it, but I listened to this episode and I was
• 51:21
  impressed by the the conversation and the the the
• 51:26
  talk that ended up picking this song.
• 51:29
  It's not one that you would maybe expect for this artist.
• 51:32
  It's not one of this person's, you know, more famous, more
• 51:37
  popular songs, but it is one that I that I really like And I
• 51:41
  go back to and this might be a surprise, but I picked Brother
• 51:44
  Loves Travel and Salvation show by Neil Diamond.
• 51:47
  That's a banger dude. That was one of my last cuts.
• 51:51
  I was surprised at how good that was.
• 51:54
  I love that that made it into the conversation.
• 51:56
  I'm going to be honest, I I didn't bring it because I
• 51:59
  didn't, I didn't think it was going to so.
• 52:03
  I got to admit I had I thought about that for a minute.
• 52:05
  I don't I don't know Neil Diamond from anything, even
• 52:08
  though like you get to know my taste a little bit more, Justin,
• 52:11
  I think Neil Diamond fits pretty like, you know, cozy into it.
• 52:14
  It's like. It's like goes back to the Brill
• 52:16
  Building, like he's one of the classic American songwriters.
• 52:19
  Like, like I, I love a singer-songwriter.
• 52:21
  That's why I'm obsessed with Billy Joel, right?
• 52:22
  So like, I had AI had a hard time not putting it.
• 52:27
  I had to really tell myself it's OK, but I don't have it.
• 52:30
  Yeah, it's a great song. I mean, honestly, I was blown
• 52:32
  away. Never heard it before.
• 52:33
  I don't know. I don't know if it's like a
• 52:34
  massive hit or something, but. I.
• 52:37
  Is that one of his lesser hits? Yeah, it's lesser.
• 52:40
  It was. It's got 34 million plays, but
• 52:43
  for him, you know, Sweet Caroline's got 900 million,
• 52:46
  right? So like, exactly.
• 52:47
  Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's I, I was really
• 52:50
  blown away. I like it a lot.
• 52:51
  That was the autos, Chris and Marlene, who you did the.
• 52:55
  Oh, cool. They ruled shout out.
• 52:56
  Yeah, yeah, they're great. Like really good, really good
• 53:00
  takes, really thoughtful. Yeah.
• 53:02
  All right, boom. Again, these these ones other
• 53:07
  than obviously the one that already went in the bin for me,
• 53:11
  if it goes into the bin, it's it's really not personal.
• 53:14
  So I'm taking it personal, Gavin.
• 53:21
  There was a good Australian stuff this year.
• 53:24
  I really love Australian music. I'm going to pick Adam and I and
• 53:29
  Justin did a episode on the Church, which is a really old
• 53:34
  long standing band. They're still going where I'm
• 53:37
  about to go see them from the late 70s, eighties in Australia.
• 53:42
  And we took, I took under the melty way, which I think that
• 53:46
  Adam called that out as the killing moon of Australia.
• 53:50
  The you know, song the Bunnymen, like a nod to the Bunnymen.
• 53:55
  That's a really beautiful new wave song and I had to take it.
• 54:00
  Can anybody save them? Yeah, they used to.
• 54:04
  They used to play that song on the.
• 54:06
  They still do, probably on the alternative station here.
• 54:09
  Yeah, I love that song. Nice, I.
• 54:11
  Love that. I was when I was the first time
• 54:15
  I was listening to this list. I would like I, I keep going
• 54:18
  back to the stories from it because it was fun.
• 54:20
  You know, like I, I, I sat there with Rachel and listened to
• 54:22
  everything and like, I went over my ear doing the show and stuff
• 54:25
  and like, I was like, oh, this band's gotta be Irish.
• 54:28
  And I was like Australian also. And Rachel's, Rachel's from New
• 54:31
  Zealand. So it was very funny how many
• 54:33
  Aussie bands there were. But I, I didn't have it.
• 54:36
  This one stood out to me. Y'all are super, super in line
• 54:40
  because it's a good, good song. I'll be checking more out about
• 54:43
  this band. My, my thought about Under the
• 54:44
  Milky Way was that it's not going to get me into this band,
• 54:48
  but I can tell I would like this band.
• 54:50
  What was my thought about this song?
• 54:51
  Yeah. I like that.
• 54:53
  Yeah. I honestly was hoping that just
• 54:56
  somebody would would bail you out so I could I could have
• 55:01
  something else like there. There's a lot of that in in my
• 55:04
  thought process is I won't take something thinking, you know,
• 55:09
  everybody else will have it. That'll give me a chance to get
• 55:12
  something I want in into the conversation.
• 55:15
  So but a 2 is really good looking right now.
• 55:20
  So get a 2 and we move on, Chris.
• 55:23
  Oh, actually, before we get to Chris, we should point out that
• 55:27
  of course by the time this comes out, it'll have been forever
• 55:29
  ago. Our friend Adam just saw the
• 55:32
  church in Australia. Right.
• 55:34
  Oh, sick. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 55:36
  They're doing all their singles, yeah.
• 55:39
  So. Inside of Trading I I just told
• 55:43
  Justin and John that I we should just do a suite of modern
• 55:47
  Australian bands because there's so many I'm obsessed with like I
• 55:51
  I would love to do a violent Soho episode or a Skaggs episode
• 55:54
  like that'd be so sick we. Yeah.
• 55:57
  We did Soho and we did Tired Lion already unfortunately.
• 56:00
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Isn't it weird how, like, you
• 56:02
  can tell he helped to write those songs 'cause they all just
• 56:04
  sound like violent Soho songs, but they're so good that you
• 56:06
  don't care. They, like, love them.
• 56:08
  Like, this is clearly, clearly just a violent Soho song, but at
• 56:12
  the same time it's a violent Soho song.
• 56:15
  Yeah, Which rules? So like, yeah, absolutely.
• 56:18
  I think he produced the records too, so like, whatever.
• 56:23
  So I my next tune is I think the only song I didn't know before I
• 56:28
  went into this, which is so dumb and so against the spirit.
• 56:32
  I heard this and I was like, hey, I'm wrong that I don't
• 56:36
  listen to this band. And that's Molly by Sponge.
• 56:39
  Oh. Hell yeah.
• 56:42
  I, I am shocked by how amazing this freaking song is.
• 56:46
  The, the vocals absolutely floored me.
• 56:49
  And like the, the, at first I was like, why is this song
• 56:52
  three? I, I really think this way.
• 56:54
  I, I'm such a maniac. I was like, why is this song 3
• 56:57
  1/2 minutes long? About a minute in right?
• 56:59
  I looked at this thing and I was like, I turned to Rach and I was
• 57:01
  like there is so much song left what are they gonna do?
• 57:03
  And then they did like this bridge where like the guitar
• 57:06
  player played like a cure keyboard part on guitar and I
• 57:10
  was like this is fucking amazing.
• 57:12
  This is the coolest shit I've heard.
• 57:13
  And then they did all these like 3 part harmonies and like going
• 57:15
  crazy and like they just sound like dudes kicking it and I was
• 57:19
  like this is amazing. So anyway, that's that's mine.
• 57:22
  That's hilarious. I didn't know anything about
• 57:25
  that band 'cause I thought it was not tracking like radio rock
• 57:30
  or whatever during that time. But then I just figured out that
• 57:34
  song. Their their other real famous
• 57:36
  song. Well, it's the works is like a
• 57:41
  world. Wow, yeah, that's a fucking sick
• 57:43
  song. And so I was stoked to like play
• 57:48
  this song and I, I was like, Oh my God, this is so good.
• 57:51
  They they are kind of dudes kicking it.
• 57:53
  They're kind of like a Superman. Like they're from all different
• 57:56
  bands or something and like they look kind of like real masculine
• 58:00
  and shit. Like not a band that I would be
• 58:02
  into. Right, right.
• 58:05
  It's just really well done. Yeah, really good.
• 58:08
  I always loved and you know, obviously I was part of picking
• 58:13
  this song as their representation.
• 58:15
  So, but I I always loved the in the the courses, the the guitar,
• 58:21
  the like, I never even noticed it until we did because I used
• 58:25
  to hear the song on the radio, but like I never noticed it
• 58:28
  until I listened to it for the show.
• 58:30
  I was like, oh man, that's fucking cool.
• 58:31
  I like that. Justin, you bring up a good
• 58:33
  point because genuinely, while I was listening to it, and again,
• 58:35
  this is the only song I didn't know that made its way out of my
• 58:37
  list and it went above 2 bands I genuinely love.
• 58:40
  Like, yeah, I, I like. Like for instance, the second
• 58:43
  verse, all of a sudden there was another string instrument.
• 58:46
  It wasn't just guitars. And I was like, oh, this is like
• 58:48
  listening to like old Madonna records where like on the second
• 58:51
  verse they would layer in different keyboards to make the
• 58:54
  song more interesting, even though it's the same thing
• 58:55
  again. Like they followed like that old
• 58:58
  production trick that like was created in the 80s and just
• 59:01
  wrote a pop song with some grit on top of it and didn't hide
• 59:05
  from what they're not good at and leaned in on what they are
• 59:07
  good at. And it's freaking great.
• 59:08
  It's so awesome. And it's about Molly Ringwald,
• 59:11
  which is awesome. I.
• 59:13
  I guess I probably should have realized that because it's kind
• 59:15
  of the 16 candles bin, but like, damn, dude.
• 59:18
  Like I only heard it for the first time when we when I got
• 59:20
  this list and holy crap, I got to I got to learn this band.
• 59:24
  I'm so excited that that I honestly didn't pick it because
• 59:29
  I, I honestly was worried that it would just go in the bin.
• 59:34
  But I should note that that was also a Peter band.
• 59:37
  That was one of those. It was Peter and it was
• 59:40
  Anderson's first episode who he just came into the fold this
• 59:46
  last year. So like he came on, we did
• 59:50
  Sponge and it was one of those 90s revisits where like I knew
• 59:55
  like I think 3 songs going in, Molly plowed and wax a static
• 1:00:00
  and I was like. I hate to use the word blown
• 1:00:05
  away, but I, I was I guess blown away by how much I enjoyed
• 1:00:09
  especially the 1st 2 records like being like me.
• 1:00:12
  And these are like right on par with shit that I like.
• 1:00:16
  Like why was I not listening to sponge?
• 1:00:20
  And again, I loved those like I fucking love wax.
• 1:00:24
  I even talked about wax a static I used to play every time after
• 1:00:29
  soccer practice. It would come on while my friend
• 1:00:33
  Talbert and I were riding in the back of his dad's truck.
• 1:00:36
  They were I was getting brought home, getting a ride home and
• 1:00:40
  wax a static would come on and it turned into a joke where
• 1:00:42
  Talbert would be like every time, every goddamn time.
• 1:00:45
  And it's a stupid joke that makes no sense to anybody but
• 1:00:48
  us, but it makes me laugh every fucking time.
• 1:00:51
  So there you go. There's my sponge story.
• 1:00:55
  That's. Great, man, Your sponge story is
• 1:00:58
  my story, just with different. Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Was that 2P? Did two people have it or?
• 1:01:03
  Yeah, that was was. It just one that was it 2.
• 1:01:06
  I'm going to go here even though Chris has already said he
• 1:01:09
  doesn't have the song, but I'm going with a favorite.
• 1:01:11
  It's all right. It's a it's a favorite track.
• 1:01:14
  The first time I heard the song, I was like, fuck yeah.
• 1:01:16
  It's another one of my just favorite ones that I've ever
• 1:01:20
  come across in the show. It like, really hits the Justin,
• 1:01:23
  you know, the Justin note. Sunshine by teenage wrist.
• 1:01:30
  No. No.
• 1:01:32
  I again, this was one that stood out to me, but no.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah. I'll take the one there and I, I
• 1:01:37
  won't be fighting for that one, but I, I had to go with what I
• 1:01:42
  feel. You know, ultimately the thing,
• 1:01:44
  the, the thing that turned me off ultimately, and this is like
• 1:01:46
  so funny, 'cause I like the biggest layman, right?
• 1:01:48
  I've heard this song and that's it.
• 1:01:50
  But like I, I dug the way that it kind of felt like a good
• 1:01:54
  version of that kind of music, right?
• 1:01:56
  It remind me more of the Deftones then let's say
• 1:01:59
  Sevendust. So like that was cool, but the
• 1:02:02
  vocals like had kind of like that weird early odds like oh,
• 1:02:07
  let's just sign Alien Ant Farm 'cause they vaguely sound like,
• 1:02:11
  you know, like a a safer version of I don't know, whatever band
• 1:02:14
  was really like orgy, like really scaring the dads and
• 1:02:17
  moms. It's like I it was like that
• 1:02:19
  kind of vocal on top of like a deftone song.
• 1:02:22
  And I was like, it's of it's time and it feels like it's
• 1:02:24
  good. That's how I felt about it.
• 1:02:26
  I suppose that's fair. Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  I mean, we all have our reasons. So all right into the bin it
• 1:02:31
  goes in John. Back to me already.
• 1:02:36
  All right, I'm going to pick. Sometimes you pick a song for
• 1:02:42
  the message, and this song I think has a good message for the
• 1:02:47
  year and for in a year basically.
• 1:02:49
  How about stay positive by the whole steady?
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, man. Yeah.
• 1:02:55
  I just, I can't fuck with the whole steady.
• 1:02:59
  I just, I never been able to and I it's, it's just not for me.
• 1:03:04
  I've never I've never listened to the whole steady.
• 1:03:07
  Of course, I've known about them forever and you've got episode
• 1:03:11
  was so good. I listen to the song and listen
• 1:03:16
  to the records and like that song's really great.
• 1:03:18
  The words are totally fun and uplifting.
• 1:03:21
  And I agree, we need all the help we can fucking get right
• 1:03:24
  now. All the Jetta need to come out.
• 1:03:29
  It's it's funny that that's the way it's funny.
• 1:03:33
  That's the way you let it John, because that is the real reason
• 1:03:36
  it made my list is the message like we need to stay positive.
• 1:03:41
  We have to find a way to stay positive right now.
• 1:03:44
  And whether that be, you know, 4 dudes hanging out on a Discord
• 1:03:49
  channel at, you know, 9:00 at night and just shooting the shit
• 1:03:54
  about music or you know what, whatever the fuck it is, you
• 1:03:59
  know, whatever, whatever helps you stay positive in this
• 1:04:02
  moment. And you know, it doesn't mean
• 1:04:03
  don't fight, it doesn't, it doesn't mean that's all you have
• 1:04:06
  to do, but it, but it is important that you, you, you
• 1:04:09
  find joy, you find positivity and you try to somehow.
• 1:04:12
  And it doesn't also doesn't mean toxic positivity, but it does
• 1:04:16
  mean figuring out a way to be positive.
• 1:04:19
  So like that is the weight of and I I genuinely love the song
• 1:04:24
  and I thought it was a fun episode.
• 1:04:25
  So like that kind of put it over the edge to get get it in.
• 1:04:28
  What were you going to say though, Chris?
• 1:04:29
  Like, let me shit all over you before you say whatever you're
• 1:04:32
  going to say. No, no, I was going to, I was
• 1:04:34
  going to make my review quick because I don't want to crap on
• 1:04:36
  this bandit. Stay negative, Chris.
• 1:04:38
  No, I, I, I am staying negative. Don't give me like I, I've, I've
• 1:04:42
  also been in New Jersey and I, I don't think it's as great as
• 1:04:47
  some people do. And I don't think, I don't think
• 1:04:49
  we need to make bands that just sound like New Jersey.
• 1:04:51
  I don't, I think it's over. I think we're all set.
• 1:04:54
  I think, I think Asbury Park rose from the ashes of the of
• 1:04:59
  getting underwater and that's beautiful.
• 1:05:01
  But we don't need, we don't need more of these bands and we never
• 1:05:05
  needed it. And both the hold steady and The
• 1:05:09
  Front Bottoms can go to hell. Oh.
• 1:05:11
  Jesus. And it there's you, you got.
• 1:05:18
  To say people thought I'm sure. The whole steady, the whole
• 1:05:21
  steady, you're a live band. If you see him live, it's a
• 1:05:23
  whole experience. I've been told exactly that and
• 1:05:25
  it's just, it sounds like the fucking musical equivalent of a
• 1:05:28
  dad joke. And I don't like it.
• 1:05:30
  And I, I like listen. I, I, I like fun too.
• 1:05:35
  But when I want to be listening to art or no, that's not fair
• 1:05:39
  because this actually is trying to say something.
• 1:05:41
  They're not just trying to get blow jobs.
• 1:05:42
  I'm going to, I'm going to redact my I like fun too.
• 1:05:44
  I just think we're done with this kind of music.
• 1:05:46
  We don't need it anymore. It doesn't do anything for
• 1:05:48
  anyone. And there's bands that have this
• 1:05:51
  exact message but write good songs like like and also like,
• 1:05:56
  you know, I just, I can't stand that style of singing.
• 1:05:58
  I just can't stand it. Like you got it, you got it.
• 1:06:01
  You got to be able to do something that gives me a reason
• 1:06:05
  to listen and, like, just doing enough to make this into a song
• 1:06:08
  and not be just a person talking over, like, mediocre guitars.
• 1:06:13
  That's not enough for me. I just can't do it.
• 1:06:15
  And like, I you, you could have the best politics and the best
• 1:06:17
  takes. I told you this could be short,
• 1:06:18
  didn't I? Best politics, best takes.
• 1:06:21
  And like, I can agree with everything you say, which is
• 1:06:23
  right here, right? And I just don't fucking care
• 1:06:26
  because it's not special. And that's how I feel about
• 1:06:28
  this, man. Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  I mean, as of right now it has three, so it would likely go in
• 1:06:33
  so. Well, that's why I had to say
• 1:06:37
  very short points about it. And that's why you should stay
• 1:06:40
  positive, Chris Gavin. It's cool.
• 1:06:46
  I mean you can tell Chris listen to fucking all the songs.
• 1:06:49
  I really tried. I really tried.
• 1:06:50
  There's where should I despise on this list.
• 1:06:54
  Man, it was hard. OK, you guys know which esteemed
• 1:07:01
  panelists had the most episodes this year?
• 1:07:04
  What was that beyond besides Justin, obviously, Who's?
• 1:07:07
  On, it's got it. Well, I mean, I assume it's
• 1:07:10
  John, right? Because he's here.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah, it's John. Yeah, he did 17 episodes this
• 1:07:17
  year, which was the same number that he did last year, 17.
• 1:07:22
  He took the time last year. But the reason I'm bringing that
• 1:07:25
  up is the second person, Justin, your second, your runner up was
• 1:07:30
  Brian C, who had 10 episodes this year, Me and Chris.
• 1:07:36
  Me and Chris did 8 Me and. Wow, Yeah.
• 1:07:39
  Holy shit. OK.
• 1:07:40
  Brian, CI think go ahead. Oh, no, I was gonna say, I think
• 1:07:44
  of all the episodes I did, which apparently was eight.
• 1:07:46
  One of them didn't have John, if I'm correct.
• 1:07:49
  I think that just a. Couple two.
• 1:07:51
  There were a couple. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  You did one with Randy, you did 3 without John, you did one with
• 1:07:56
  Randy, 2 with just Randy, and then you did.
• 1:07:59
  Billy. Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  Screeching Weasel, right? Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and Weasel, right?
• 1:08:06
  I was on. I was on Weasel.
• 1:08:08
  Oh, you were on Weasel? OK.
• 1:08:09
  Oh, cheap. That feels like a different
• 1:08:12
  show. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  So I did this episode with Brian C and Chris O.
• 1:08:20
  It was really fun. We did the Duran Duran episode.
• 1:08:25
  I'm taking Hunter like the wolf. It wouldn't have been my pick
• 1:08:27
  for the song but but I love that song.
• 1:08:30
  It's a good one. And in that episode the like I
• 1:08:33
  was stoked to do it because I really wanted to see.
• 1:08:36
  I was like is there anything that I am missing past the first
• 1:08:41
  couple records and that question got answered for me and it was a
• 1:08:45
  resounding no there was. And.
• 1:08:47
  Passed the first double record but it was really fun episode
• 1:08:50
  really good. I don't.
• 1:08:53
  Gavin, that's such a good point, man.
• 1:08:54
  I've learned exactly that from this show.
• 1:08:55
  I do have it. Great, I do as well.
• 1:09:00
  Hey, all right, I was right. That's why I don't have it is
• 1:09:03
  because I figured. Dang man, I.
• 1:09:05
  Figured that it would get get into the conversation.
• 1:09:09
  So y'all heard it here first. Justin doesn't give a fuck about
• 1:09:12
  your opinions. He doesn't care it the the the
• 1:09:14
  audience likes it but like. Sometimes the song is just too
• 1:09:18
  good, like You Can't It's. Just it's, it's an absolutely
• 1:09:21
  perfect pop song. It's GI had it as my #8 by the
• 1:09:24
  way. I mean, you look, you're, you're
• 1:09:26
  not going to get any argument on the next level of me putting it
• 1:09:30
  through it. It's just, I figured everybody
• 1:09:33
  else would have it. So I was like, all right, I can,
• 1:09:35
  I can take something else. Chris it's also off a perfect
• 1:09:40
  fucking record. Like going back and listening to
• 1:09:42
  Rio, like like that record is fucking insane.
• 1:09:48
  It's so good. The playing on it, the bass
• 1:09:51
  playing on it. Every song is a banger.
• 1:09:54
  It's just like a jewel. It's so really, really special.
• 1:10:00
  It gets a three and as of right now again, it would be in we've
• 1:10:03
  we've got 3 threes, which I feel like is a little more than
• 1:10:07
  usual. I feel like it's usually a lot
• 1:10:09
  of twos and bins so. Yeah, these are all over the
• 1:10:11
  place. These these best dumps usually.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. All right, Chris.
• 1:10:18
  So like I said, I'm just going from the bottom up.
• 1:10:20
  I'm going with the second concert I ever went to with my
• 1:10:24
  father, and I'm saying The Doobie Brothers Jesus is all
• 1:10:27
  right with me. Fuck.
• 1:10:28
  I love to hear that. I don't have it, but yeah, hell
• 1:10:31
  yeah. It was a crazy choice, by the
• 1:10:33
  way, a crazy choice to put. Jesus is just all right with me.
• 1:10:35
  Like I, I, I respect the shit out of it.
• 1:10:38
  That's a great song. Well, I'll I'll tell you that
• 1:10:41
  was a fun episode. It was Randy Infredo and
• 1:10:46
  honestly, funnily enough it got picked because we thought it
• 1:10:49
  would do well at the best of and here it is going into the.
• 1:10:52
  Bin no genuinely like one of the better live bands I've ever
• 1:10:58
  seen. This list also included the
• 1:11:00
  literal worst professional band I've ever seen live, which was
• 1:11:03
  ever clear. Like literally the worst
• 1:11:06
  professional music act I've ever seen live.
• 1:11:09
  That's interesting because. That's one of those bands that
• 1:11:11
  everybody says is is good live. So, well, let me give you
• 1:11:14
  context. It was, it was 2011.
• 1:11:17
  They've been broken up for a decade.
• 1:11:18
  And they were on Warp Tour with me and I was very tired.
• 1:11:21
  And one day we did a show on a racetrack and Warp Tour was
• 1:11:26
  sponsored by PITA. So I got really jazzed up.
• 1:11:28
  I was like, oh, this is weird. And I was just going around
• 1:11:31
  looking at all the PITA protesters and it was like the
• 1:11:34
  very end of the summer and I had very little left to give.
• 1:11:37
  And I was like, you know what, I'm going to finally watch
• 1:11:40
  Everclear. And I got to tell you something.
• 1:11:42
  I've never seen a worst band that was professional.
• 1:11:45
  I've seen worst local bands, of course, OK, I've been in worst
• 1:11:49
  bands, OK. The worst professional band I've
• 1:11:52
  ever seen live was Everclear, and it was in 2011.
• 1:11:54
  So they might have been the best ever in the 90s, who knows.
• 1:11:57
  Who knows? Yeah, who?
• 1:12:00
  Knows all right I want to start doing a couple that I I picked
• 1:12:04
  for the episode I mean look Chris is here there's no way
• 1:12:10
  there was no way this was not going to make my list it's OK
• 1:12:13
  that if nobody else has it but the road trip was a huge part
• 1:12:17
  of. Let's go.
• 1:12:19
  Let's. Go real music.
• 1:12:20
  I'm going with cheap trick. I don't have it.
• 1:12:26
  That was a fun episode. Great song, just didn't make the
• 1:12:30
  list. I I have it partly let's go of
• 1:12:36
  its its inclusion on that pinhead gunpowder song.
• 1:12:40
  Oh yeah, yeah. That's great.
• 1:12:43
  So this is my karaoke atomic bomb.
• 1:12:46
  It is my I've been. I've been tied to this song
• 1:12:49
  since birth. I have this sick obsession with
• 1:12:53
  Trans Am, Kick Out the Jams, Dumb Fucking Rock'n'roll, and I
• 1:12:59
  as a bisexual artist who like teaches theater to kids for a
• 1:13:04
  living, I'm allowed to have one meathead thing.
• 1:13:06
  Besides my baseball fandom, I fucking love Cheap Trick.
• 1:13:10
  It is my #2 song of the year and I also have It's a perfect song.
• 1:13:18
  Look, and and again, you know, maybe maybe if it doesn't have,
• 1:13:23
  if we did the episode like we normally do, maybe it doesn't
• 1:13:26
  make my list. But like, again, This is why
• 1:13:28
  it's important to me to include stuff like this because there is
• 1:13:33
  a story that surrounds it. The that whole day and change
• 1:13:39
  was special to me. Like driving the Baltimore, we
• 1:13:43
  end up doing the double dip. We got to see two Mets games.
• 1:13:45
  We got to see them lose. Yeah, they were brutal.
• 1:13:47
  Yeah, that was that. Was fun.
• 1:13:50
  And then, and in heartbreaking fashion both.
• 1:13:52
  Times. Yeah, yeah, like.
• 1:13:54
  It was. Awesome it was you know you boys
• 1:13:56
  want a Mosey like I. Think that the Orioles were like
• 1:14:00
  the worst team in baseball at the time, which is the best
• 1:14:02
  part. Yeah, they, like they, they
• 1:14:03
  pulled it together, eventually became decent, but they were
• 1:14:06
  like absolute fucking, you know, the dog's ass at the time.
• 1:14:10
  And, you know, we went to what, the Babe Ruth Museum around the
• 1:14:14
  corner, We went like it was just a.
• 1:14:17
  Remember that dad? The dad whispering to his kid
• 1:14:19
  like Oh yeah, this was where the babe had breakfast.
• 1:14:21
  Yeah. Yeah, they were like, that's,
• 1:14:23
  that's what, that's what you do in the kitchen, Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  We were just saying quote from that episode is like Frisco's.
• 1:14:31
  You don't have Frisco's, you don't have the flame dude
• 1:14:37
  rapping hard. One of the best songs from the
• 1:14:39
  80s. Nothing.
• 1:14:41
  The flame is the flame is a rite of passage.
• 1:14:44
  Like I don't think we should be allowed to lose our virginity
• 1:14:46
  without having heard it. I think it should be the law.
• 1:14:48
  Like they did this for you, Justin all?
• 1:14:54
  Right. We take that three though, like
• 1:14:57
  threes are really good in a situation like this.
• 1:15:01
  So we take the three and we move on, John.
• 1:15:06
  OK, so there's one. This one I picked because it's
• 1:15:14
  an artist that never got the acclaim that they probably
• 1:15:18
  deserved. So I picked the David Berman and
• 1:15:25
  the Silver Jews, Smith and Jones forever.
• 1:15:27
  Oh yeah. I love that, but no.
• 1:15:31
  That is, that's the song that the other song I wanted to take
• 1:15:34
  that I didn't know before this amazing song and I will be
• 1:15:37
  listening to the entire discography.
• 1:15:39
  It was a great, it was a great episode.
• 1:15:42
  You were really good on that episode, John.
• 1:15:44
  It was really good. Then I'll start there.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, it's really interesting. Into the bin, unfortunately,
• 1:15:50
  like I feel like on these into the bin doesn't mean what it
• 1:15:56
  does on a normal episode. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:15:59
  It feels like it. No, it already made it.
• 1:16:02
  Yeah. And like, we already got, we
• 1:16:04
  already got pavement in there, right?
• 1:16:05
  So like, yeah. Yeah, that's also true.
• 1:16:09
  All right, I mean, listen, this is this was the song I cut last,
• 1:16:12
  so I I'm not, I love the choice. Yeah, I basically kind of did an
• 1:16:17
  either or with with pavement and silver Jews and I.
• 1:16:21
  Had to take them both. Hey, man, we all, we all have
• 1:16:24
  our reasons, right? So all right, Gavin.
• 1:16:29
  I've never listened to this band before this show and I thought
• 1:16:34
  it was a really good song. I took the Horrors doing Jack
• 1:16:37
  the Ripper. Oh.
• 1:16:38
  Fuck yeah, I love that. No, I don't have it, but I love
• 1:16:43
  that. No, yeah.
• 1:16:46
  Yeah, really cool tune. I also liked it a lot but didn't
• 1:16:48
  didn't make the cut. I.
• 1:16:50
  Think in your list of the panelists was like spooky,
• 1:16:55
  spooky Jenny spooky. I think it was Peter, right?
• 1:16:57
  Spooky Peter and that. Was our Halloween.
• 1:17:03
  Yeah, you guys know that my Instagram handle is spooky
• 1:17:05
  bullshit. Yeah.
• 1:17:12
  Was that the interview? Something else?
• 1:17:13
  Happened that was bend. Was that it was bend?
• 1:17:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  All right, Chris. My next shout out to the man, I
• 1:17:26
  don't think it's controversial to say none of us are here
• 1:17:28
  without him and it's crazy trained by Ozzy.
• 1:17:33
  I don't have it. I love that though.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah. I got it.
• 1:17:37
  I didn't take it. You took it, John.
• 1:17:40
  Yeah, OK, for me this is not what I'd pick.
• 1:17:43
  Like like Flying High again is the song I think of when I think
• 1:17:47
  of Ozzy solo stuff. But just one of the greats and I
• 1:17:52
  I literally wouldn't have a hobby if this guy never lived or
• 1:17:57
  like his band never happened. So.
• 1:17:59
  Yeah, like the the timing of it helped with it, with it being
• 1:18:02
  recorded like right after he died and that that being a Peter
• 1:18:06
  episode as well. You know how he pushed.
• 1:18:09
  It up and like that, that it's just undeniable, like it had to
• 1:18:12
  be that song. One time I was supposed to go
• 1:18:14
  see Ozzy play and he decided not to play and just had his
• 1:18:19
  daughter play instead. The only song he did play was
• 1:18:25
  Crazy Trains so. One time and I had to do it for
• 1:18:28
  for Chipper Jones and and fuck and fuck the Mets.
• 1:18:31
  Well, you know, as a guy that's been nicknamed Chipper my whole
• 1:18:34
  life to make fun of me, I'm not going to fight you on that one
• 1:18:37
  tonight because this is this is Ozzy's night.
• 1:18:39
  It has nothing to do with you. This.
• 1:18:42
  Is as good a time as any to tell my Ozzy story.
• 1:18:44
  I'm sure I told it on the episode but who cares?
• 1:18:49
  I saw Ozzy in at Ozfest 2000 and think about that for a second.
• 1:18:56
  The man performed for 25 more years let's and literally died
• 1:19:01
  after his last performance. Like what a week later?
• 1:19:03
  Like it wasn't long after, but I remember at that point being,
• 1:19:09
  you know, a douchebag 20 year old with my friends going old
• 1:19:15
  man Ozzy. And because he's, he's running
• 1:19:17
  around on stage going let me see your fucking hands and like,
• 1:19:21
  just. Did he RIP?
• 1:19:22
  Did he RIP it though? Was he fucking amazing?
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, the band was awesome. Like it was great.
• 1:19:26
  And you know, I was just being a 20 year old prick.
• 1:19:29
  So you know what, what can you do about that in in hindsight, I
• 1:19:35
  can't erase, you know, my prick. Dumb, but you know that it's it
• 1:19:41
  it's what happened and the band ripped and it it was cool.
• 1:19:44
  It was a fun show. So all right, so Ozzy gets a two
• 1:19:49
  and oh shit, we're background to me.
• 1:19:54
  All right, I'm going to get a laugh on this one.
• 1:19:56
  But again, I I like to take ones for episodes.
• 1:20:00
  Matt Quantum did his one and only episode on this band and I,
• 1:20:05
  I was trying to get him back around.
• 1:20:07
  Again for another one, but he hasn't yet.
• 1:20:10
  So we had Scotland in the house that day.
• 1:20:13
  I went Fight of the Hawk, Conchords, hip hop, Hippopotamus
• 1:20:17
  and Rhymnoceros. No.
• 1:20:23
  I got it. I got it, yeah.
• 1:20:25
  Really. Yeah, an episode.
• 1:20:27
  Yeah. That that one was cool.
• 1:20:29
  Part of the reason I picked it is because, you know, it's like
• 1:20:32
  there's the TV show, right? So I made a list of the songs
• 1:20:37
  with clips from the TV show, and that's kind of what we use,
• 1:20:40
  which is kind of a, a unique thing that had never been done
• 1:20:43
  before. So that that elevated it a
• 1:20:45
  little bit for me. I also to that point, like that
• 1:20:47
  is part of what elevated it to to me, 'cause like this is that
• 1:20:51
  is ATV show that I should have fucking been watching.
• 1:20:54
  Like it's this is the first time where an episode of the program
• 1:20:58
  turned me on to ATV show that should have been in my life
• 1:21:01
  already. Like and then when you watch the
• 1:21:04
  video around that, like it, it's just like, oh man, fuck, that's
• 1:21:08
  funny. And like, 'cause he goes on the
• 1:21:11
  hip hop hobotomist. My rhymes is bottomless.
• 1:21:15
  And then he just doesn't say anything.
• 1:21:17
  Silence. It's also his, it's also
• 1:21:20
  Jermaine first line in the song, right?
• 1:21:21
  Yeah, Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:24
  And then on his, on not his next verse, I think his last verse is
• 1:21:29
  where he's like, who told you that?
• 1:21:30
  Was it Steve perchance? Steve like just fucking stupid.
• 1:21:37
  And like I just I again, sometimes it's the episode,
• 1:21:40
  sometimes it's like the extenuating circumstances around
• 1:21:43
  the episode that that kind of puts something through for me.
• 1:21:46
  And that's what this was so. Chris, do you have I don't.
• 1:21:50
  And I, I, I, I have a story about that song and like for me,
• 1:21:55
  play the Conchords for me. I always felt like a thing that
• 1:21:59
  was clearly built for me to like it.
• 1:22:01
  And I just don't. I know that's weird.
• 1:22:04
  They're both hilarious and the show is funny and Jermaine is
• 1:22:09
  brilliant and I love what we do in the shadows, the movie.
• 1:22:12
  I never really watched the show, but like, I, I, that's the song,
• 1:22:16
  the David Bowie bit on the record, the Bowie, the
• 1:22:20
  songwriter one night. So my friend Jen, who at the
• 1:22:24
  time was Jeff, hadn't come out as trans yet and I were at
• 1:22:28
  Jeff's at the time. Jeff, I'll say Jen.
• 1:22:32
  I'm getting used to it still. It's brand new and not my first
• 1:22:35
  trans friend, but I'm just getting used to one of my oldest
• 1:22:38
  friends being with a different name.
• 1:22:40
  So we're at I'm at Jen's house and Jen's girlfriend at the time
• 1:22:44
  named Beth. I was the only person Beth liked
• 1:22:47
  out of everyone. Jeff was friends with, Jen was
• 1:22:50
  friends with, no one else was. Got nice behavior, right?
• 1:22:55
  We got in our heads. We, we went and bought and I, I,
• 1:22:58
  I can't Azure dreams, the weird RPG on PlayStation one because
• 1:23:02
  Jen had sold their entire PlayStation one collection in
• 1:23:05
  like some weird bid to grow up. This was, this was 2007.
• 1:23:09
  So we were like in our last year of college and I was like, fuck
• 1:23:13
  that. We're going to video games in
• 1:23:14
  New York and we're buying back your old games.
• 1:23:16
  So we bought back Azure Dreams, which is like an old dungeon
• 1:23:20
  crawling base building RPG and we were naming every monster we
• 1:23:25
  caught after David Bowie and we were doing the Bowie joke from
• 1:23:28
  that song. Like Bowie, like like not a real
• 1:23:31
  Bowie joke, just doing that voice they make up in that song.
• 1:23:34
  My favorite thing about this entire band is they made a joke
• 1:23:36
  about David Bowie. There was literally just their
• 1:23:38
  bad impression of David Bowie and and we did it for an entire
• 1:23:41
  night. Beth busted out of the room at
• 1:23:44
  like 4:00 in the morning and broke up with Jen on the spot at
• 1:23:47
  4:00 AM because of our saying Bowie over and over again.
• 1:23:51
  And I also don't have that song. Hey man, I'll take it too.
• 1:23:56
  And a good story. And Congrats to Jen, by the way,
• 1:24:00
  for finding herself. Yeah, fuck yeah.
• 1:24:02
  Jen's the greatest of all time. Go to the Fun and Games podcast,
• 1:24:07
  formerly Jeff, now Jen the Co host of that show.
• 1:24:10
  Go go subscribe and give them money.
• 1:24:13
  Good for him, man. That's fucking great.
• 1:24:14
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:16
  All right, I I picked my weird 1.
• 1:24:18
  John, where you want to go? Oh, this one had just undeniable
• 1:24:25
  as well. Let's go me and Julio down by
• 1:24:27
  the schoolyard. I got it.
• 1:24:31
  No, I couldn't do it. You don't have a take.
• 1:24:36
  No, I I I'm going to be very the most controversial.
• 1:24:40
  What a good song. Am I right?
• 1:24:42
  What a. Well.
• 1:24:44
  Didn't didn't make the cut for me, but my God, I do think it's
• 1:24:46
  a good song. Yeah, well.
• 1:24:49
  Can I hear it without hearing me first in the Gimme Guineas?
• 1:24:51
  No, but it's. I just heard somebody.
• 1:24:55
  It's a great cover. Cover it.
• 1:24:58
  Oh, it was Hanson. Nevermind.
• 1:25:00
  I'm. Sure, it was great.
• 1:25:01
  No, actually, it was a good cover, but yeah.
• 1:25:04
  I'm sure it. Was not in Hanson's best cover.
• 1:25:06
  No. Fair enough.
• 1:25:09
  You know what I what I came across, you know, doing the
• 1:25:12
  episode was Paul Simon's nice. I just I'd never, I'd never
• 1:25:16
  gotten into him. Like I knew a bunch of songs,
• 1:25:18
  but I'd never done the dive. And it was nice to do the dive
• 1:25:22
  and I it was just a nice song and I, you know, undeniable for
• 1:25:30
  two people, pretty deniable by the other two.
• 1:25:33
  So I guess that's just the way the way it goes.
• 1:25:37
  So. Yeah, that's me out here denying
• 1:25:40
  Paul Simon. It's my actual job.
• 1:25:41
  That's what I get paid for. You're more anywhere he goes.
• 1:25:46
  Yeah, anywhere he go. Art.
• 1:25:49
  Art's cool, man. Art can.
• 1:25:51
  Art can come to the party. You can be at the cookout.
• 1:25:53
  Yeah, All right. We'll take that too though,
• 1:25:56
  Gavin. I took cutesy Monster man.
• 1:26:00
  I didn't know anything about Iron Chic.
• 1:26:01
  That was a shit. I love August.
• 1:26:04
  Great. I can't.
• 1:26:06
  I can't add to that, but I love that.
• 1:26:08
  I love. That I didn't have it.
• 1:26:09
  Yeah, I, I sure have it. Yeah, genuinely, to me, one of
• 1:26:13
  my favorite songs of all time. No joke.
• 1:26:15
  I have it #4 really, really good.
• 1:26:19
  That's cool, man. Right on.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah, I love the fact that Iron Chic not only came up in this
• 1:26:26
  conversation, but is alive in the conversation.
• 1:26:29
  Like it gets it got a 2. Got the same as Paul Simon.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Ozzy Osbourne, that's.
• 1:26:36
  So fucking cool. That's.
• 1:26:37
  So you got a problem. With that, no, that's.
• 1:26:39
  Fucking I do. Not fucking rules man I love.
• 1:26:42
  That, and guess what? I'm about to talk about the same
• 1:26:45
  guys in a different band soon again.
• 1:26:48
  All right, I mean, if nobody else has got something to say
• 1:26:51
  about TT Monster man, we can we can hear your take, your next
• 1:26:54
  take. Oh, I'm not.
• 1:26:56
  I'm not doing that. I have.
• 1:26:57
  I have rules. OK.
• 1:27:00
  Because because the next song I'm about to bring up is a worse
• 1:27:02
  song than that other song. And that's, as we know, not the
• 1:27:07
  greatest song of the year, but a very good song.
• 1:27:09
  More Than a Feeling by Boston. I figured that would that
• 1:27:16
  somebody would have that which is why I didn't take it is I
• 1:27:19
  figured. Do this to me.
• 1:27:22
  How cool are we really? Yeah, I don't have it.
• 1:27:25
  I didn't I. Didn't take it either, but I got
• 1:27:28
  to say, and you know, dude, when I was coming up, like I'm I'm
• 1:27:32
  older than you, Chris. Like when I was coming, like I'm
• 1:27:34
  56, when I was coming up, you know, that shit was the enemy,
• 1:27:38
  dude, You know what I mean? Like you just could like, I get
• 1:27:42
  it. I do.
• 1:27:43
  I do with Mac. Fuck all of that, you know?
• 1:27:45
  But yeah, I hear you. Going back and listening to it,
• 1:27:49
  that is like the best of classic rock.
• 1:27:53
  It is such an incredible song. What's crazy about that song is
• 1:27:56
  that it's like 4 different hit singles that they jammed into
• 1:28:01
  one song. It just keeps going through like
• 1:28:05
  like the I see my Marianne walking away, where, where is
• 1:28:08
  that song? They just do that once and then
• 1:28:09
  that whole thing's gone. It's like.
• 1:28:11
  It doesn't even have context. Yeah, it's it's.
• 1:28:13
  Fucking awesome. That song is like such a great
• 1:28:19
  construction, you know, it's really fun.
• 1:28:22
  This is actually my my take on that tune.
• 1:28:24
  Like the Dandan Dicka, Dandan Dicka Dand.
• 1:28:28
  That riff could literally scare bears away.
• 1:28:30
  Like if you were going to like if you were going to be eaten by
• 1:28:32
  animals, like that's a riff. I would choose I would choose
• 1:28:35
  that riff and they'd be like, oh, wait, you're not food.
• 1:28:37
  You're like pretty cool, right? Like you're like, you're pretty,
• 1:28:39
  you're fine. Like this riff is clearly a cool
• 1:28:42
  guy riff and like and go ahead. And the the other thing I I
• 1:28:47
  didn't want to lose this because it was a big part of the
• 1:28:50
  conversation between Rachel and I while we were going through
• 1:28:52
  this list. Let me take you home tonight,
• 1:28:55
  which I hope made you guys's list is part of a genre that
• 1:28:59
  I've been fighting really hard to preserve.
• 1:29:01
  Like that's the last song on Boston self-titled, right?
• 1:29:04
  It's a big hit, you know, but it, it represents a genre that I
• 1:29:08
  deeply and genuinely want to preserve and like protect, which
• 1:29:12
  is like you and the boys getting you laid, right?
• 1:29:16
  Like I love, I love any song about wanting to fuck someone,
• 1:29:19
  but all the boys are like singing backup vocals and like
• 1:29:23
  doing gang vocals and like repeating your phrases.
• 1:29:25
  Like you should have sex with this person.
• 1:29:27
  He's our friend and we love him and like he's really cool.
• 1:29:31
  Like that's like literally like hip hop Hooray came on.
• 1:29:34
  And when like they they rap about like boom bam into the
• 1:29:37
  room. And like all the boys say boom
• 1:29:39
  bam, like you're going into the bedroom to have sex.
• 1:29:41
  I'm like, that's great. All of our friends should be
• 1:29:43
  backing us up. And like, let me take you home
• 1:29:45
  tonight has the boys three-part harmonies.
• 1:29:48
  Let me take you home tonight. It's like, yeah, yeah, this is
• 1:29:53
  the person I should have sex with because their friends think
• 1:29:55
  they're cool and we need that back.
• 1:29:57
  That's all I want to say is really important to me and I
• 1:30:00
  don't need to be on the Boston episode, but I want to say that.
• 1:30:07
  Episodes where it's like where it's like consensus was like the
• 1:30:13
  first record is wall to wall like bangers every song.
• 1:30:17
  It's insane. It's everything.
• 1:30:20
  That's complete shit dude. Like literally they were like,
• 1:30:24
  here is US kicking out the jams in a way that it feels
• 1:30:28
  effortless, but it's so curated. You know how hard it is to
• 1:30:32
  curate. Like like this is this is OK,
• 1:30:35
  I'll I'll drop the joke, right. It's also just stadium rock for
• 1:30:39
  blow jobs. But it's perfect.
• 1:30:42
  It's like it's it's idiot savant level.
• 1:30:44
  Like when we talk about The Bouncing Souls episode about
• 1:30:46
  being an idiot savants that just walk into breaking good songs.
• 1:30:49
  This is a perfect rock'n'roll record that feels like it was
• 1:30:53
  done by like a band like Weezer or something like complete, like
• 1:30:57
  outsider art. But it was for your auntie and
• 1:31:00
  she's stoked on it. It's so cool and smoking's a
• 1:31:04
  great song. Yeah, very cool, though.
• 1:31:06
  That lands too. There you go.
• 1:31:09
  All right, so we're back around to me.
• 1:31:13
  I'm going to go with a song that I just loved.
• 1:31:18
  This is like just a a personal Justin favorite that I I didn't
• 1:31:23
  take Ozzy and some of the more obvious takes so I could bring
• 1:31:27
  this one. I'm going with Doll by Sam.
• 1:31:29
  I am. One of.
• 1:31:34
  The three, one of the three. You cut it.
• 1:31:37
  Didn't have it. So dull is my number three of
• 1:31:41
  the whole year, and probably, if I was to say what I think the
• 1:31:44
  best piece of art on this whole list is, it's dull.
• 1:31:48
  Wow. I loved in listening back, but I
• 1:31:52
  don't I don't know if I clocked this like how much like it
• 1:31:56
  reminded me of Gin Blossoms. Like, I was like, Oh yeah.
• 1:32:01
  Then I mean it's it references the dough boys who had like owed
• 1:32:05
  a lot to Gin Blossoms, so that makes sense.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah. So that was your, that was your
• 1:32:10
  panel that did the most episodes, Justin.
• 1:32:13
  That was John F, Chris Schultz, David and you, you guys did 5.
• 1:32:18
  You guys did 5 episodes. That was the top panel.
• 1:32:23
  And I think that was our best list.
• 1:32:24
  I think, like, if, like, I look back and like, objectively look
• 1:32:27
  at the list we came up with that bit, that list will get
• 1:32:29
  literally anyone that would like Sam, I am into Sam.
• 1:32:31
  I am, yeah. Like, and Sam I am is one of
• 1:32:33
  those bands, like they're like I talked about on the episode,
• 1:32:36
  they're like, they're not punk enough to be true punk.
• 1:32:39
  They're not indie rock enough to be indie rock.
• 1:32:41
  They're not emo enough to be emo.
• 1:32:43
  They're not alternative enough to be alternative.
• 1:32:45
  But they're like all of that stuff and they put it together
• 1:32:49
  in this really interesting way. And like in an alternate world,
• 1:32:53
  they're the Foo Fighters, right? But it just it, yeah, they've
• 1:32:58
  they've got an interesting career there's and they're still
• 1:32:59
  going. They're still great.
• 1:33:01
  And Dave rolls not even hot, so you can't make the hot argument.
• 1:33:05
  And I, I, I think, I think, like for me, this is a deeply
• 1:33:10
  difficult song to write, a pop song about forgiving your friend
• 1:33:15
  from for killing himself. I mean, I can't imagine a more
• 1:33:18
  sticky thing to tackle. And they had to like you could
• 1:33:21
  tell from this song, you, when you listen to it, you're like,
• 1:33:24
  these guys had to forgive their buddy for doing this unthinkable
• 1:33:28
  thing that they understand was not for about them.
• 1:33:31
  They understand it was about him, but they tackle it in a way
• 1:33:36
  that makes you understand it, even if you've never been
• 1:33:38
  through it. And I just think there's, I
• 1:33:41
  don't, I can't think of a harder topic to write a song about.
• 1:33:43
  And I don't want to make everybody talk about that.
• 1:33:45
  I it's not fun and we're here to have fun, but I just that's the
• 1:33:48
  reason why I think it's a great piece of art.
• 1:33:49
  Yeah, hey man, both Iron Sheik and Sam I am, are alive right
• 1:33:55
  now in this conversation. I didn't take either of them.
• 1:33:58
  That it fucking rules that they have a good shot at at making
• 1:34:03
  the. I mean, at this point all the
• 1:34:05
  bin stuff is probably yeah 'cause we've got enough threes
• 1:34:09
  and then twos to be the conversation.
• 1:34:11
  So hey. Careful, careful.
• 1:34:15
  And we're winding down here. So, John, you're up all.
• 1:34:19
  Right I've only got 4 left so I will do the one that I that have
• 1:34:27
  left that I was not on the panel for common people by Pulp I.
• 1:34:32
  Love that. Yeah, I.
• 1:34:34
  Love that I don't have. It I, I don't have it because
• 1:34:38
  because reasons and I and it's yeah, I don't have it.
• 1:34:42
  Does it have anything to do with Shatner?
• 1:34:45
  No no, he's fine and Star Trek is cool.
• 1:34:48
  I like I like slow and boring TV.
• 1:34:52
  I've ever show ever since unfortunately.
• 1:34:53
  No, Yeah, we'll take. The John that will you pick that
• 1:34:57
  that that that that song is really amazing to me.
• 1:35:00
  Like it's just such a perfect thing.
• 1:35:02
  So, so incredible. That was a fun episode too.
• 1:35:05
  Indeed. Jenny.
• 1:35:07
  Jenny brought the the the Jen and Tommy.
• 1:35:10
  It was good, good one. For what it's worth, like I, I
• 1:35:13
  also agree that it's brilliant. I just, I didn't take it.
• 1:35:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:35:16
  I love I love Jenny. Like has become a wild card with
• 1:35:21
  her play. Like she kind of just recently
• 1:35:25
  returned to the fold in a a heavier way.
• 1:35:28
  Like she's changed her play from like I I hate to use the word
• 1:35:33
  timid, but like it it was. She really thinks about her
• 1:35:38
  choices and doesn't give a fuck as much about playing the game
• 1:35:43
  part of it. So like, I've really just
• 1:35:46
  appreciated the way she's changed, the way she's played
• 1:35:49
  the, you know, over especially over 2025 S.
• 1:35:53
  Yeah. All right, common people nabs it
• 1:35:56
  too. And now this conversation is
• 1:35:58
  looking pretty sweaty. So, Gavin.
• 1:36:05
  I know Chris doesn't have it, but I'm taking fucking Requiem
• 1:36:08
  by Killing Joke that that was a great episode.
• 1:36:11
  Andrew was so good and John, all three of it.
• 1:36:14
  John and Justin and I were on it, Chris and then and Andrew.
• 1:36:18
  I just was feeling that episode and Requiem is just, I think we
• 1:36:21
  picked the fucking right song on that one.
• 1:36:25
  Again, there's like a handful that that I wouldn't.
• 1:36:28
  So I I would this was this was on my short list.
• 1:36:32
  I just it didn't make my my 15. Yeah, if if I was there, I would
• 1:36:37
  have argued for love like blood. I'm super happy with this
• 1:36:40
  choice. This band fucking rules.
• 1:36:43
  Just couldn't make my 15. I I I'm super.
• 1:36:46
  Yeah, Love Like Blood was my pick.
• 1:36:48
  Oh cool. But Requiem, I'm totally happy
• 1:36:52
  with it. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:36:53
  Well, I, I I probably was the one that fought for Requiem and
• 1:36:57
  I do have it. That falls under the case of
• 1:37:00
  Bandit that should have been got gotten more acclaimed and needs
• 1:37:03
  a needs a a boost up. I could literally have flipped
• 1:37:07
  the coin and been fine with having that in my 15 that that's
• 1:37:09
  how much I like that song. I just, I just went with
• 1:37:11
  Pavement instead, even though I don't love that song just
• 1:37:14
  because I love Pavement, you know what I mean?
• 1:37:15
  That's it. It is worth noting that like to
• 1:37:18
  kind of to your point just there Chris, there most of these songs
• 1:37:22
  could have been that for me like.
• 1:37:24
  Yeah, yeah, 100% man, these are. Nothing here was objectively
• 1:37:27
  bad, even though I'm joking. Yeah.
• 1:37:28
  I could I could have flipped a bunch of songs in at at any
• 1:37:33
  point. So.
• 1:37:33
  All right, Chris. Oh, I, I, I am left with mostly
• 1:37:41
  just episodes I was on, which I was kind of scared of.
• 1:37:45
  I'll have it known that I did put variety.
• 1:37:47
  I just didn't have anybody else that agree with me on it.
• 1:37:53
  My my next I did a little group of the hardcore tunes and I went
• 1:37:56
  with Circles by Dagnasty because it's forwarded for me and it
• 1:38:02
  should be there. I don't have it, but I could
• 1:38:05
  have so. Yeah, that's the the third of
• 1:38:08
  the three that I didn't. Think I I thought that might
• 1:38:10
  have been the case, yeah. Babe, I like the picture of you
• 1:38:12
  you guys in your jacket. So that was.
• 1:38:14
  Cool yeah that was that was from our original last show cuz they
• 1:38:19
  they gave us they gave us those hoodies.
• 1:38:20
  I don't know if I said that and they they became like the
• 1:38:24
  official sketchy gig outfit while our hoodies still like
• 1:38:27
  weren't falling apart yet, but yeah.
• 1:38:31
  So I'm I'm not surprised that's a binner, but I'm glad we got to
• 1:38:34
  talk about it. Sometimes, sometimes they do
• 1:38:36
  that. I don't know the vibe on this,
• 1:38:42
  but like I was impressed by this artist.
• 1:38:45
  I feel like we did the thing and that's why this song made my
• 1:38:48
  list. It was literally the last
• 1:38:50
  episode of 2025. I went with Lord Green Light.
• 1:38:55
  Yeah, that's a good song. I don't have it.
• 1:38:58
  No. Lord's cool, I told you my
• 1:39:02
  story. Lord's family says nice things
• 1:39:06
  about me on Instagram and I appreciate that about.
• 1:39:08
  Them I don't have it, you know, I figured that'd be the case,
• 1:39:13
  but I was rather impressed like Lord has four really solid pop
• 1:39:18
  albums like they're very good. I was rather impressed with her.
• 1:39:21
  Like it's easy when you when you blow out of the cannon like that
• 1:39:26
  and pop to just kind of over saturate and make like 6-7
• 1:39:30
  records in in the time frame that she's only done 4.
• 1:39:34
  And she just kind of really took her time.
• 1:39:36
  I think the first two probably came out relatively quickly, but
• 1:39:41
  I was just impressed like they were all equally as good and
• 1:39:45
  like some of the great stuff was truly great.
• 1:39:48
  And I really, I really like the pic that we went with with green
• 1:39:50
  light so. That was a cool episode with
• 1:39:53
  people that just you didn't really expect to be Lord fans
• 1:39:57
  and like, you know, Anderson and Brian and everybody was like
• 1:40:02
  super into it. That was a fun listen.
• 1:40:04
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:40:05
  So into the bin it goes, John. All right, so thanks to Gavin, I
• 1:40:13
  did not realize that this was the most most used panel all
• 1:40:17
  year. But out of the ones that we all
• 1:40:20
  did with, with me and Chris and and Dave, I didn't take Sam.
• 1:40:24
  I am, in retrospect, I probably should have.
• 1:40:27
  It was very close. I didn't take Screeching Weasel.
• 1:40:30
  I didn't take Lifetime. I didn't take diagnosity, but I
• 1:40:33
  did take Laderman. My dream is about not sleeping
• 1:40:36
  until 3:00 PM. Don't have it but I love that.
• 1:40:41
  It was good I didn't have it. That almost made my list.
• 1:40:45
  It's my #5I nice. Yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Just, you know, they're the blueprint for a music genre that
• 1:40:51
  still exists, which is just bands that sound like Ladderman.
• 1:40:57
  Love that, love that fucking. I'm stoked that Sam, I am Iron
• 1:41:03
  Cheek and Ladderman each have two and have yeah, have a.
• 1:41:09
  It was almost like you had two people that would have always.
• 1:41:12
  Yeah. But also the first two, one of
• 1:41:19
  the people you would have thought would have picked them,
• 1:41:20
  didn't. So that's true.
• 1:41:23
  That's what we're doing here, people.
• 1:41:25
  So right. And I'll point out that Russia
• 1:41:28
  has not been coming up yet. Just.
• 1:41:32
  Saying Gavin. I took fucking institutionalized
• 1:41:39
  by Suicidal. Greatest songs in all time.
• 1:41:43
  That was a fun episode. If I'd had 20 I would have
• 1:41:47
  picked it, but no. I don't know, I.
• 1:41:50
  I I can't fuck with suicidal I I just not for me.
• 1:41:55
  But no hate I don't have it. I'm.
• 1:41:57
  Going to do. Something maybe one of the
• 1:41:58
  greatest songs about childhood ever written.
• 1:42:03
  It touches on it, it hits it. It does.
• 1:42:05
  I can't deny that. Yeah, I'm.
• 1:42:06
  Going to do something I never do and I'm going to boot off a song
• 1:42:10
  that I had on my list and I'm being upfront about it to give
• 1:42:14
  Institutionalized a second because hell yeah.
• 1:42:18
  It was like a coin flip anyway with the song that I just booted
• 1:42:22
  off. So I could have just done that
• 1:42:25
  and not told you guys, but you know, integrity of the game.
• 1:42:29
  Do you need a Pepsi? Can we?
• 1:42:30
  Can we get you a Pepsi? Just one Pepsi.
• 1:42:35
  OK, but I don't want to get you wrong though.
• 1:42:37
  You're sure that's all you want? If I got it wrong, I'd be
• 1:42:40
  devastated. You know that.
• 1:42:44
  You know that whole first album and you don't fuck with it.
• 1:42:46
  You don't fuck with the first suicide.
• 1:42:48
  It's hard, man. I remember like there was a guy
• 1:42:51
  that I went to college with that I played in a bunch of different
• 1:42:54
  bands with and he only listened to New York Dolls and Suicidal
• 1:42:58
  Tendencies and that was it. And it was like a beat.
• 1:43:01
  It was like a old beater. And like he had four CDs in the
• 1:43:05
  car. And like one of them was the the
• 1:43:08
  Suicidal greatest hits where they re recorded every song so
• 1:43:11
  they wouldn't have to pay the old members.
• 1:43:13
  And it really, it really stuck in my craw that they did that.
• 1:43:16
  It felt like the least punk thing ever.
• 1:43:18
  And like, I I, I, I'm not here to pour water on the legendary
• 1:43:22
  punk act and I'm not here to tell anyone that Suicidal is not
• 1:43:25
  cool because like, thrash metal is sick.
• 1:43:27
  And the fact that thrash metal's fashion is based on this random
• 1:43:30
  punk band is really sick to me. But like, and I know that's
• 1:43:34
  dumb, but I really feel that way.
• 1:43:36
  That's my biggest Suicidal take. I just was really turned off by
• 1:43:40
  the fact that they rerecorded all their best and their
• 1:43:42
  greatest hits for their record instead of just putting the old
• 1:43:45
  takes. I was turned off by it.
• 1:43:47
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a.
• 1:43:49
  They did the reverse Taylor's version.
• 1:43:51
  Yeah, they did. 100% it was the opposite reason, Yeah.
• 1:43:53
  So like, I just, it just turned me off and I, I never went
• 1:43:56
  deeper. And that's that, yeah.
• 1:43:58
  Makes sense. All right, Chris.
• 1:44:05
  I don't think I think if anybody listened to the show, they'd
• 1:44:08
  know my last two. I I'm left with my number one
• 1:44:11
  and my number six. My number six is by one of the
• 1:44:17
  the great groups that ever existed on the East Coast.
• 1:44:22
  It is Rodeo Clown by Lifetime. No.
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, it's cool. I get it.
• 1:44:31
  This was Hello Bastards was it for me.
• 1:44:34
  Hello Bastards was the record that put me in the seat to talk
• 1:44:38
  to y'all. I talked about Ozzy.
• 1:44:40
  You know, like heavy music became heavy music because of
• 1:44:43
  Black Sabbath, and I became me because of Lifetime.
• 1:44:48
  So that's it. And this was a song that was
• 1:44:51
  about being yourself, despite the fact that being yourself
• 1:44:55
  doesn't get you the things you want.
• 1:44:58
  And I heard that sentiment as a young man, and I realized that
• 1:45:03
  other people think like me, and it changed my life so.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah. Man, love that I'm gonna go.
• 1:45:12
  It's been on both lists that have already come out already
• 1:45:17
  and we're just now getting here. So I I don't like my chances but
• 1:45:21
  freaks to the front Amyl and the sniffers.
• 1:45:25
  No. No.
• 1:45:28
  Absolutely not OK. This is definitely definitely.
• 1:45:36
  I love you, Justin. Well, this is definitely part in
• 1:45:39
  Part I. Love Australia?
• 1:45:40
  Influenced by by the numbers, like by, you know, people by
• 1:45:46
  the, you know, the numbers that we did by the episode itself.
• 1:45:50
  Like John said, it was like it was easy.
• 1:45:52
  Like we just kind of, we just kind of blasted through it.
• 1:45:55
  It was fun. And then of course, people voted
• 1:46:00
  for the episode. So like, I definitely let that
• 1:46:03
  sway its way into the list. So one of us had to bring it up
• 1:46:08
  because of it was on the other list.
• 1:46:10
  So into the bin it goes. I ain't hurt by it, John.
• 1:46:17
  All right, this is actually my last one.
• 1:46:19
  So after this I'm out and it's a slow dive when the sun hits.
• 1:46:26
  No, Nope. Obviously great, but I don't
• 1:46:29
  have it either. I that's a great song.
• 1:46:31
  I'm not going to that was. A cool episode with you and Adam
• 1:46:35
  with you guys, Matt. That was really good.
• 1:46:37
  And then Jamie from Australia as well, it was like, it's the
• 1:46:43
  first episode he's done without Josh, which which was
• 1:46:47
  interesting. Like it's usually him and Josh
• 1:46:49
  are my my Aussie boys and we just turn stuff around every
• 1:46:53
  couple months. But all right, so that's it for
• 1:46:59
  unanimous. We can't get anything else
• 1:47:01
  through unanimous. I told you, Chris, that's how it
• 1:47:03
  was going to go. I got, I'm blown away by that.
• 1:47:07
  It was Big Star last year, right?
• 1:47:09
  That was the only one and Pavement this year.
• 1:47:11
  That's cool, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:14
  All right, Gavin. Well, you're the Aussie boys.
• 1:47:18
  Jamie and Josh were your second most.
• 1:47:22
  The panel to have the second vote that wanted to shout them
• 1:47:26
  out their first episode this year.
• 1:47:29
  I knew this was going to the bin, but they took a band called
• 1:47:31
  Temples. Oh fuck.
• 1:47:32
  Yeah. They did a song called Shelter
• 1:47:34
  Song, which to me threw me back to the Paisley Underground in LA
• 1:47:39
  in the 80s. Like super lycurgic engine
• 1:47:42
  instruments, you know? It's just a really cool song and
• 1:47:47
  I like them on that episode, so I took it.
• 1:47:50
  You know, in hindsight, like basically I had it down to
• 1:47:55
  Shelter song or Sunshine and I went with sunshine because
• 1:47:58
  sunshine like hits my spot. Better.
• 1:48:04
  I don't have Shelter Song, but like I did like another pass the
• 1:48:09
  other day, like just listening to stuff and I was like, man,
• 1:48:12
  should I figure out space for Shelter Song because it deserves
• 1:48:16
  somebody to bring it up at least.
• 1:48:18
  I was worried that nobody would, which is why I didn't take both
• 1:48:22
  so. Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  I love that. Thing and wonder.
• 1:48:26
  I wonder if we chose sunshine instead of dull for Sam I am if
• 1:48:30
  sunshine by Sam I Am would have made this list.
• 1:48:33
  Yeah, who knows, because. Because I think we got super
• 1:48:35
  cute by picking Dull and I prefer it.
• 1:48:39
  But Sunshine, also much like Dull, is a song that's a really
• 1:48:44
  difficult thing to write about. It's literally just like taking
• 1:48:47
  the perspective of a fuck boy but making it not problematic.
• 1:48:51
  And it works. Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Yeah, and I, like again, the two biggest Sam AM songs are two
• 1:48:56
  things nearly impossible to write about, yet they mail nail
• 1:48:59
  it, right? Yeah.
• 1:49:00
  And I and I and I was sitting here thinking while I was
• 1:49:02
  listening to this list, like, I know I'm going to get binned
• 1:49:04
  when I put up dull even though it wasn't a bin.
• 1:49:06
  But I, I that's how I felt. But I wonder if we put sunshine
• 1:49:10
  instead, and you've mentioned the other sunshine, so that's
• 1:49:12
  why I'm bringing it up, would it have made it?
• 1:49:15
  And I'm not sure if I'm honest, you know?
• 1:49:16
  Who knows? Yeah, I these these things are
• 1:49:19
  such a crapshoot. Like it's, it's, again, it's,
• 1:49:23
  it's rare that everybody agrees even on one song.
• 1:49:28
  So like, it to me, it's, it's by design.
• 1:49:31
  It's, it's built this way that more songs get talked about.
• 1:49:35
  So it's it's what's wild to me this year is that we have so
• 1:49:40
  many twos and threes like that doesn't usually happen.
• 1:49:43
  So, all right, Chris. All right, well, this is my last
• 1:49:49
  tune and I'm going to just I'm going to be completely just
• 1:49:53
  myself here. We're going to talk about the
• 1:49:55
  real New York hardcore. So if you're not true, just turn
• 1:49:59
  this off. I'm going to give you a couple
• 1:50:01
  seconds. Cool, Now that it's just me and
• 1:50:03
  y'all Scenes from an Italian Restaurant by Billy Joel.
• 1:50:07
  Not number one for the year, just the greatest hardcore song
• 1:50:11
  of all time. And you know, I just started
• 1:50:16
  drinking white wine this year. So I, I, I actually found a new
• 1:50:19
  way to react to this song, You know, I didn't really know
• 1:50:21
  before, you know? I got it.
• 1:50:24
  Yeah. I don't have it.
• 1:50:26
  That was a really good episode, thank.
• 1:50:28
  You. That was that was a lot of the
• 1:50:31
  part of that for me was was the episode.
• 1:50:33
  It is. It's funny because like I
• 1:50:35
  started off the episode like I kept, I kept breaking Chris
• 1:50:38
  because I kept going. We got to give this guy his
• 1:50:41
  flowers and he's like you. Killed me.
• 1:50:45
  You killed me with that. I think I, I think I Googled it
• 1:50:48
  quickly. Like every award he's ever won,
• 1:50:51
  didn't I? I was like, this guy's dead.
• 1:50:55
  I'm about to end his show. But you know, my point remains
• 1:51:00
  like it, It is funny. But no, it did.
• 1:51:02
  It did, it did, and I think I tried to make that point.
• 1:51:04
  Yeah, yeah, it, it is funny. Like how?
• 1:51:06
  Like clearly he's not underrated, but like there is
• 1:51:09
  this underdog thing about him and I fucking love that and.
• 1:51:15
  That I'll give you my I'll give you my theory.
• 1:51:16
  I'll give you my theory, OK. And I think I did enough talking
• 1:51:19
  about Billy Joel on that episode and I'll let it, I'll sit for
• 1:51:22
  itself. But like, it's easy to hear a
• 1:51:24
  Billy Joel song and be like, oh, this is a really fun tune with a
• 1:51:31
  great idea. And it's like a
• 1:51:33
  singer-songwriter that's talking to me without being pretentious
• 1:51:36
  and like is seeing me on the level and also like is a
• 1:51:39
  serviceable singer. Now he's not.
• 1:51:41
  He's actually a brilliant singer, but he has a way of not
• 1:51:44
  showing off that makes you feel like he's just serviceable.
• 1:51:46
  And also like the music is interesting enough that it's not
• 1:51:49
  just a 145 pop song. But then you realize that he did
• 1:51:53
  it for for over a dozen albums over 3 decades.
• 1:51:59
  And all of a sudden this is not just a guy that can write the
• 1:52:02
  cute song about meeting with your friend to talk about how
• 1:52:05
  your old friends from high school got fat.
• 1:52:07
  He's actually a guy that understands the way humans
• 1:52:11
  interact with each other and is able to give you a viewpoint on
• 1:52:15
  it that is not necessarily new. It's to make you realize that
• 1:52:18
  basically we're all living the same human experience.
• 1:52:20
  And I genuinely feel that deeply about Billy's music.
• 1:52:23
  So there you go. Nice.
• 1:52:24
  Well, we we only do 80s Joel here.
• 1:52:27
  So, Sir, Sir. That was a one.
• 1:52:32
  No, it was a two. It was, it was 2 and.
• 1:52:35
  Sometimes it's hard to keeping the faith.
• 1:52:37
  Yeah, I did. What did I do?
• 1:52:41
  Anthony's song didn't make it like I got banned right off the
• 1:52:44
  bat. I was like, oh, this is going to
• 1:52:46
  be that kind of episode. Oh see, if you were going with
• 1:52:49
  the downs from the player you would have gotten a vote.
• 1:52:53
  I I don't think I had down Easter Alexa, although that was
• 1:52:55
  one of my childhood favorites. Oh yeah, I had that tape when I
• 1:52:58
  was 11. Dude.
• 1:53:01
  The 90s were a thing. And you know what, buddy?
• 1:53:03
  Had a little resurgence 8889. Down Easter Alexa's later, isn't
• 1:53:07
  it? No, I think it's late 80s.
• 1:53:10
  No, man, that's not that's not Allen Curtin.
• 1:53:12
  That's the other one with fire on the Stormfront.
• 1:53:15
  Stormfront was from when on strong.
• 1:53:17
  Come on, I got hold on Stormfront, Billy.
• 1:53:20
  Now, I don't mean to Google live.
• 1:53:22
  Justin, that is 1989199. You are correct and I am
• 1:53:26
  incorrect. Yeah, but I was born in 86.
• 1:53:29
  That makes perfect sense. I think we didn't start the fire
• 1:53:32
  was the big hit from that, right.
• 1:53:33
  And I go to extremes at a moment because it sounded kind of like
• 1:53:36
  Michael Bolton, which, by the way, I go to extremes.
• 1:53:38
  Best Michael Bolton song ever. If if Billy Joel sold that to
• 1:53:41
  Michael Bolton, he wouldn't be a joke.
• 1:53:43
  Take that to the bank. I'm totally serious.
• 1:53:46
  Imagine Michael Bolton performing, I go to extremes.
• 1:53:48
  He would be a legitimate rock star.
• 1:53:51
  There you go. And it's just it's just a song
• 1:53:53
  for Billy. All right, Michael, OK.
• 1:53:57
  All right, so I got 2 left. I'm just going to bounce him off
• 1:54:00
  you Gavin, before you empty out whatever you got left.
• 1:54:04
  Since the boys are out again. This is This is 1 where it was
• 1:54:09
  something we hadn't covered before and not well represented.
• 1:54:14
  How about dance to the music, Sly and the Family Stone?
• 1:54:18
  No, I don't have it. That was a good episode.
• 1:54:20
  And Sly, you know, there was a lot of attention on him.
• 1:54:25
  There was that documentary and you know.
• 1:54:28
  Happened and. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:54:31
  Yeah. And then last but not least
• 1:54:33
  again, this was this was just based on where I feel like we
• 1:54:36
  did the thing there was this was a artist I ended up enjoying a
• 1:54:39
  lot more than I probably thought I would have.
• 1:54:42
  I went with Bon Aver Holocene. Oh, I didn't take that.
• 1:54:46
  That was a cool episode. And it was cool.
• 1:54:48
  You were really into you were good on that episode, Justin.
• 1:54:51
  Oh, I. Expected to like that song and I
• 1:54:53
  didn't. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:56
  Yeah, I can't get into him. Yeah, I expected to like it
• 1:54:59
  because of like, you know what I know about him and.
• 1:55:02
  Yeah, interesting, interesting artist.
• 1:55:03
  And you get that came out in the episode, you know, Yeah, the
• 1:55:07
  things that are cool about him that are.
• 1:55:09
  Also on on the Sly and Family Stone, like I, I also adore soul
• 1:55:14
  music and if you want to do some more of that, come, come my way,
• 1:55:18
  baby. Like if you want to do like am
• 1:55:20
  Peebles, come on, let's do AM. Peebles.
• 1:55:22
  I think he's from Oakland, CA. I think he's from Oakland.
• 1:55:25
  I think he's from here. Cool.
• 1:55:27
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:55:30
  What do you got left there, Gavin?
• 1:55:31
  You should be, yeah. I knew this was going to be a
• 1:55:35
  bitter, but I wanted to call attention to this band.
• 1:55:38
  I picked the Triffids, another Australian band.
• 1:55:41
  I did that. That's it was sick.
• 1:55:42
  That sounds great, yeah. Yeah, Wide Open Rd.
• 1:55:45
  Adam was so good on that episode.
• 1:55:47
  And Wide Open Rd. is alternative national anthem in Australia a
• 1:55:52
  song and the the Triffids are on the cover of Mojo This Month
• 1:55:57
  magazine. Not their picture, but they have
• 1:56:00
  an article on on them, which is wild.
• 1:56:02
  And they're so obscure and you know, they don't have anything
• 1:56:04
  out. Like there's not like some like
• 1:56:06
  box set or something. Crazy band, crazy story,
• 1:56:11
  tortured artist, died like super fucking young, tragic, like
• 1:56:16
  really great songwriter. So just wanted to shout out.
• 1:56:19
  I do remember that when when I first got this list from you,
• 1:56:22
  this was one of the first ones that stood out to me.
• 1:56:24
  Is something that I should check out that I didn't know and like
• 1:56:28
  the the record was just too long.
• 1:56:30
  Yeah, yeah. Over 1/2 hour in.
• 1:56:32
  I wasn't even half done. Am I wrong about that?
• 1:56:34
  I think it's more than an hour. Yeah, porn, porn.
• 1:56:38
  Sandy devotional is a long record.
• 1:56:39
  Yeah. So that that was my only reason
• 1:56:41
  why I didn't go further. I will be going further, but I
• 1:56:44
  just didn't realize. Yeah, I would check out the list
• 1:56:46
  that we did. They have a lot of it's like
• 1:56:49
  difficult like, but I think we put together a really good
• 1:56:52
  fucking tenor on that. So yeah, let's start there, you
• 1:56:55
  know? Yeah, we talked about doing oh
• 1:56:59
  Jesus, the Minutemen and I, I feel like, I feel the exact same
• 1:57:03
  way, like I. We're, we're, we're going to
• 1:57:06
  talk about that like I've, I've already got the list ready.
• 1:57:09
  Like I, I'm just, I'm terrified about like, I know you need to,
• 1:57:12
  I'm not going to come. So I was going to throw it out.
• 1:57:14
  Yeah, I'm not going to come with any pop sensibility on that.
• 1:57:16
  Like, I'm just going to go straight up with Minutemen, you
• 1:57:18
  know what I mean? Yeah, get ready for a list of
• 1:57:20
  330 second songs, Justin. It's gonna be ready.
• 1:57:24
  Oh, I had to. I I trimmed it down to 80 but it
• 1:57:26
  was tough dude. You're you're gonna dig it,
• 1:57:28
  Justin. It's gonna be great.
• 1:57:31
  Oh, that's interesting. So it's, it's the three of you
• 1:57:33
  guys. All right, I'm into that.
• 1:57:35
  And I, I know already you're gonna feel like exactly this.
• 1:57:38
  You'll be like, well, I really enjoyed this project, but it was
• 1:57:41
  a project. That's that's how you're gonna,
• 1:57:44
  that's how you're gonna feel. My last song, I fucking took my
• 1:57:49
  girlfriend's dead. I love the Vandals episode.
• 1:57:51
  It was so fun. Yeah.
• 1:57:53
  Oh yeah, yeah, dude, that song is incredible.
• 1:57:59
  I just, I couldn't take a joke song.
• 1:58:00
  I I, if I was being honest about the song I enjoy the most isn't
• 1:58:04
  the top five. Yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just a big fan of
• 1:58:08
  the first EP. Like you guys talked about that.
• 1:58:10
  Like, I didn't know, like, My Vandals is like when they were a
• 1:58:13
  Harper band, you know? Yeah, but I didn't really know,
• 1:58:16
  like, everything that kind of happened, which was interesting
• 1:58:19
  when you were talking about hot punk, you know, like they kind
• 1:58:22
  of like, were one of the first to kind of do something in that
• 1:58:26
  way. Like they were kind.
• 1:58:27
  Of harder to convince people that like not only did they
• 1:58:30
  change and like the hardcore stuff is fine.
• 1:58:33
  Like I think I said on the episode, like there's nothing
• 1:58:35
  wrong with it. Like, I don't see why they were
• 1:58:37
  seeing staples like, you know? Yeah, Brown and fucking Anarchy
• 1:58:42
  Burger, all that shit, Yeah. Fuck yeah, it's great.
• 1:58:44
  It's but it but it definitely was what it was.
• 1:58:46
  Like they were just like a part of their scene and like they
• 1:58:49
  were a A pillar in their scene. And then eventually they became
• 1:58:53
  these, like, kind of genius pop songwriters with irreverent,
• 1:58:56
  actually funny humor. You know, yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:59
  Like, objectively, my girlfriend's dead.
• 1:59:01
  Not a funny joke. The song.
• 1:59:03
  Hilarious, right? It's weird.
• 1:59:05
  It's weird, you know. Even from the beginning, though,
• 1:59:08
  they were different in that they were so silly and so stupid and
• 1:59:12
  pulling really dumb faces and, like, they were kind of like an
• 1:59:15
  early blink, you know, in that way.
• 1:59:19
  Yeah, So they were. You could see it all.
• 1:59:22
  Their story makes sense to me. You know what?
• 1:59:24
  I mean, Justin, as a big blink guy, how you feel about that?
• 1:59:26
  That's a great point you just made.
• 1:59:27
  By the way, Gavin Light's awesome.
• 1:59:29
  Yeah, yeah, I love that. It's yeah, I, you know, you can
• 1:59:35
  tell. Often times I I can tell in some
• 1:59:39
  of the bands that we've done and I usually bring it up when it
• 1:59:42
  kind of strikes me sometimes, you know, there's some bands
• 1:59:46
  that we turn around so fast that that, that it just doesn't come
• 1:59:50
  up in conversation. But I may have to.
• 1:59:54
  I've done like, I don't know, 50 bands since then.
• 1:59:56
  So like I may have to refresh my my, my vandals, you know, list.
• 2:00:03
  But yeah, like there was a good handful of bands that I feel
• 2:00:07
  like predated Blink that you could tell Tom probably listen
• 2:00:11
  to. Oh yeah, vandals and descendants
• 2:00:14
  are the biggest too, right I. Mean thousand 1000%.
• 2:00:17
  Yeah, yeah. And zip little fingers, right.
• 2:00:19
  That's the other thing you claimed in.
• 2:00:20
  Yeah, Yeah. And you can hear, You can hear
• 2:00:22
  it. You can hear it.
• 2:00:22
  I'm not, I'm not being sarcastic.
• 2:00:24
  I love Blink. I'm.
• 2:00:25
  I don't sound like a Dick. I I love Blink way too.
• 2:00:29
  A couple quick notes before we, you know, start finishing this
• 2:00:33
  list off. Pink Floyd was never going to be
• 2:00:38
  anywhere near my list. Let's fucking go, let's fucking
• 2:00:41
  go. It'll be It'll be for different
• 2:00:43
  I'm. Going to stop around my
• 2:00:44
  apartment while you talk Goodbye.
• 2:00:46
  It'll be for different reasons than you, Chris, but like, I
• 2:00:51
  can't in good conscience like that.
• 2:00:55
  The panel was great. Like, I loved listening to them
• 2:00:58
  talk about why they loved the band, but my time with Pink
• 2:01:02
  Floyd was miserable. Like it was Oh.
• 2:01:06
  Wow, the entire world found out about weed and we also just
• 2:01:10
  happened to have guitars. It was off.
• 2:01:13
  Also like England in general. Let's go, let's get hard.
• 2:01:21
  It's 2026. No, we're England.
• 2:01:22
  But we don't need, we don't need the whole study.
• 2:01:24
  We don't need the UK. It's over.
• 2:01:26
  But it just, it was not a that episode was not fun for me.
• 2:01:31
  Like again, the conversation was fun but like my time with them
• 2:01:35
  was not fun. And then the list pissed me off
• 2:01:39
  because like we ended up with like 13 or 14 songs on A10 song
• 2:01:43
  list and like the reason for it made sense to me, but it's like
• 2:01:48
  trying to cram that band into an episode was dumb from the start.
• 2:01:54
  Like it We shouldn't. Justin, Justin, can I just float
• 2:01:57
  this to you? And I I'll stop.
• 2:01:58
  I'm not going to do this anymore.
• 2:01:59
  But like, don't you feel like, like Pink Floyd is the musical
• 2:02:03
  equivalent of trying to get your daddy's approval?
• 2:02:07
  That's what it is. Like people just go like, I like
• 2:02:11
  Pink Floyd because they know dad will be like, you know what?
• 2:02:13
  That's a bench. I know that, Ben.
• 2:02:17
  They write really slow, boring songs about dreams.
• 2:02:20
  You know, you're 15 years old, son.
• 2:02:23
  It's time you start getting pretentious about Pink Floyd.
• 2:02:26
  Thank you. And This is why we don't need
• 2:02:28
  it. It's not necessary.
• 2:02:30
  We've outgrown Pink Floyd. And I think like if they were
• 2:02:33
  here today, which they might not be dead.
• 2:02:35
  I don't know the, I don't know the expectancy of a of a 1960s
• 2:02:40
  British man, but I feel like it's probably not alive, right?
• 2:02:43
  I feel like we're dead. If they were here today, they'd
• 2:02:45
  tell you. Yeah, we're not.
• 2:02:46
  We're not. We're you don't need me.
• 2:02:48
  That's what pick Floyd would tell you.
• 2:02:49
  Pick Floyd himself, right? Would tell you right now while
• 2:02:53
  playing an unnecessary and also like for like half a measure out
• 2:02:58
  of time guitar solo. They'd be like, yeah, you don't
• 2:03:01
  need me, babe. You guys are doing fine.
• 2:03:03
  You've got you got Billy Joel. You know, they're they're one of
• 2:03:06
  the most overrated bands of all time.
• 2:03:08
  Yes, although I will throw out a fucking caveat that they had an
• 2:03:14
  early guy in the band, Chris named Sid Barrett, who is kind
• 2:03:17
  of like the Brian Jones of the band.
• 2:03:18
  He was like the songwriter and he fucking got mentally ill
• 2:03:22
  super early and blew out on acid and like.
• 2:03:25
  Legitimately a weird fucked up person.
• 2:03:27
  All right, so. There was a real, there was a
• 2:03:28
  real dude. There was a real.
• 2:03:29
  But yeah. And the early pictures of him,
• 2:03:31
  he's wearing fucking like cold black eyeliner and like, he's a
• 2:03:34
  freak, right? Yeah, so they were trying
• 2:03:36
  something. Yeah, I get it.
• 2:03:37
  He was. He came from somewhere.
• 2:03:39
  His first solo album is called The Madcap Laughs.
• 2:03:42
  And it's fucking insane and it's like so good.
• 2:03:45
  But anyway and I don't do it. I'm pulling it up.
• 2:03:47
  I'm pulling it up, all right? I got a whole ass fucking subway
• 2:03:51
  ride tomorrow to listen to this so.
• 2:03:55
  Volbeat was another one that was never going to make my list.
• 2:03:58
  Has nothing to do with the song. I am happy that we finally got
• 2:04:02
  to record it. I feel bad for that band because
• 2:04:04
  I feel like I ended up accidentally shitting on them.
• 2:04:07
  They're fine, but like the fact that it took me 3 years I think
• 2:04:13
  to finally get it in the can really kind of there's some
• 2:04:17
  bands where it's like the band is so good.
• 2:04:20
  It's like, OK, I can, I can wait.
• 2:04:22
  But it's like Volbeat is not that.
• 2:04:25
  They're perfectly fine for what they do, but like it took way
• 2:04:29
  too long to get to it. I'm happy that we finally did
• 2:04:32
  get to it. I feel like we got a really good
• 2:04:34
  list of a very good episode out of it, but it just again, just
• 2:04:39
  bad time like trying to get that one together.
• 2:04:43
  Can I ask you something? Sure.
• 2:04:45
  Are they named after the Pokémon?
• 2:04:47
  I have no fucking clue. I have no idea.
• 2:04:50
  Like I'm. Gonna I'm gonna try to confirm
• 2:04:53
  this right now. If so, they're all right.
• 2:04:57
  I mean, I guess it's possible. I mean I'm not even a Pokémon
• 2:05:01
  fan but I feel like that's so dumb that it's the name Volbeat
• 2:05:04
  originates from a combination of the world's volume and beat.
• 2:05:06
  So no, they're not. They have nothing to give.
• 2:05:12
  Denmark's, I'm sure a lovely place, you know, I'm sure people
• 2:05:14
  have gone there and enjoyed it. Yeah.
• 2:05:17
  And, you know, other than that, like, I feel like I wouldn't
• 2:05:20
  have batted an eye at most of the other songs if they would
• 2:05:23
  have come up. You know, I would have been
• 2:05:25
  like, OK, I get that. Like most of the other ones I
• 2:05:29
  probably wouldn't have gone to bat for.
• 2:05:30
  But you know I. Was there anything else anybody
• 2:05:33
  felt like was missing though? Like like what really killed you
• 2:05:35
  to kill? That's a good question, eh?
• 2:05:37
  What do you guys think? What's the question?
• 2:05:42
  Yo was there anything that like really killed you to not have in
• 2:05:45
  your 15 like? Oh, they couldn't.
• 2:05:48
  I just couldn't make it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:50
  No, not really. Yeah, I think I just the ones
• 2:05:54
  that I mentioned. Yeah, for for me, it was, it was
• 2:05:56
  definitely the Killing Joke tune, just because I knew that
• 2:06:00
  if it was any other song, I would put it, you know.
• 2:06:03
  I like the Ladderman song that that was my last cut.
• 2:06:06
  My dreams about not sleeping until 3:00 AM.
• 2:06:08
  Yeah, cool. That's awesome, man.
• 2:06:09
  I'm glad. I'm glad you dug it.
• 2:06:10
  Yeah, because they're not they're not, they're not
• 2:06:14
  accessible like I, I, I, I'm not going to stump for them.
• 2:06:16
  You know, like it, it's just a blueprint that, that, that
• 2:06:20
  people have run with and you can hear it when you listen to it,
• 2:06:22
  right? Like like these these 4 dorks
• 2:06:27
  just unlocked a thing that the rest of the world is used to
• 2:06:32
  make pop punk. And I said same a lot of
• 2:06:34
  cardcore, because that's what it is.
• 2:06:36
  Like they people have taken that formula and RAM with it and it's
• 2:06:40
  it's like here's your blueprint and we're gonna fade off and do
• 2:06:42
  other bands. You know what I mean?
• 2:06:44
  Yeah. We'll be I will be fighting for
• 2:06:46
  Reviver next year though. Oh, yeah?
• 2:06:48
  Fuck yeah, man. I, I, I, I'll, I won't leave.
• 2:06:53
  I'm so glad that you had that take on them, Justin.
• 2:06:56
  Although it's spoilers. Jeez, that's true.
• 2:06:59
  I'm so glad that when we talk about Reviver, we'll find out
• 2:07:01
  your take. Reviver is out that that
• 2:07:06
  episode's out, I think. I think, OK, well, then there
• 2:07:09
  you go. Yeah.
• 2:07:10
  So just like I just said, I'm so glad everyone knows.
• 2:07:13
  All right, so let's let's start getting to work here.
• 2:07:15
  Summer Babe by pavement is in already.
• 2:07:18
  It's the one that we got in. So let's talk about these threes
• 2:07:20
  first. So we've got Mets Hold steady,
• 2:07:24
  Duran Duran and Cheap trick. I know Chris's thoughts on hold
• 2:07:29
  steady. But.
• 2:07:32
  But I mean, taking all of them takes us up to five.
• 2:07:36
  It still gives us plenty of of room for for five other songs.
• 2:07:41
  I think if I get surrender I won't say a word.
• 2:07:44
  I mean, it's, it's a 3. So like Gavin was the holdout on
• 2:07:47
  surrender. I mean.
• 2:07:49
  Gavin, what do you say? Yeah.
• 2:07:50
  Let's let's trade Chris. All right, surrender for for the
• 2:07:58
  whole steady. All right, you know what?
• 2:08:00
  I'll say something nice about the whole steady.
• 2:08:01
  How's that? Sure I do.
• 2:08:03
  I do think it's the kind of music that would inspire a young
• 2:08:06
  kid that wants to say something to the world to say I could pick
• 2:08:12
  up a guitar and find a really skinny guy in an ugly jacket to
• 2:08:15
  play like weird piano parts behind it.
• 2:08:18
  And I can talk my take and I could say it to people.
• 2:08:22
  So I I think there's a there's a place for this music.
• 2:08:24
  It simply is not in a popular band.
• 2:08:28
  Does that make sense? Sure.
• 2:08:31
  Yeah, I feel like we got a stump here for I'm I don't I was the
• 2:08:36
  odd man out on Hungry Like the Wolf and that played out exactly
• 2:08:41
  like I thought it would, what everybody else would have it.
• 2:08:43
  So it's silly to act like it doesn't belong in.
• 2:08:47
  So let's grab that. And also like I was correct that
• 2:08:50
  that should have been a four. Yeah.
• 2:08:52
  I mean, again, like, yeah, looking, looking at, you know,
• 2:08:56
  some of the choices I made, you know, sure.
• 2:08:59
  Like, I don't know. I think we've universally
• 2:09:01
  accepted that the entire world thinks new wave is cool.
• 2:09:04
  I never. Any anybody, any niche genre
• 2:09:06
  persons like you know what, new wave's all right.
• 2:09:08
  Yeah, not what happening, that's for sure.
• 2:09:11
  Yeah. Yeah, and then that just leaves
• 2:09:14
  us with Mets about to drown in. I'm going to.
• 2:09:18
  I will possibly cry, Yes. If it does take it, yes, OK.
• 2:09:22
  Good take it. Good song.
• 2:09:23
  Good song. Very good song, Yeah.
• 2:09:26
  It it, it literally is one of my favorite.
• 2:09:28
  It's probably the my favorite song that I've come across doing
• 2:09:32
  this show, period. I I I did not mean to make you
• 2:09:35
  think like people don't want that there.
• 2:09:37
  I'm literally the only person that didn't want it to.
• 2:09:38
  You don't have to stump for it. So there we go, that gets us to
• 2:09:43
  5. And so now we can start looking
• 2:09:45
  at at these twos. Can can you give me the five,
• 2:09:47
  babe? All right, the ones that are in
• 2:09:49
  summer, Babe obviously was the all the way through.
• 2:09:52
  Then we got Mets about to drown in that.
• 2:09:55
  Hold steady, stay positive, Duran, Duran, Hungry like the
• 2:09:58
  wolf, Cheap trick, surrender. And I feel like we've got a good
• 2:10:04
  cross section too because I mean, we got the one unanimous.
• 2:10:07
  We got like one of my favorites. We got a good message, we got a
• 2:10:13
  good panel and then we got another just good song, good
• 2:10:17
  panel with Duran. Can we get a punk song in there?
• 2:10:19
  I feel like that's that was going to be my next thing is
• 2:10:22
  like we have we have to have representation from that panel,
• 2:10:28
  right? The the panel that did the most
• 2:10:30
  it's. Either Yep, Sam I am, or
• 2:10:33
  Laderman probably. I will fight.
• 2:10:36
  Oh, boy, this is tough. I'm gonna go, Sam.
• 2:10:38
  I am. Even though it's at least.
• 2:10:41
  Yeah, it's less important to me, But I want people to hear that
• 2:10:44
  song and realize that we can touch on topics that are tough
• 2:10:49
  and. Do like you said, it's like it's
• 2:10:50
  art. Yeah, like that.
• 2:10:51
  It really is to me, Yeah. No.
• 2:10:54
  Dull is brilliant and it's it's, it's, yeah.
• 2:10:57
  What do you think about that? One Gavin, I'm fine with that.
• 2:10:59
  I like the Letterman song a lot better, but that's fun.
• 2:11:03
  I I think we should have that panel represented all.
• 2:11:06
  Right, so let's go with Sam. I am dull.
• 2:11:10
  How? About Sam, I am.
• 2:11:11
  Look at that. Let's fucking go, babe.
• 2:11:13
  Yep. Good job.
• 2:11:15
  Yeah, all. Right is there?
• 2:11:16
  Something still playing. Go see him.
• 2:11:19
  Yeah. It's not.
• 2:11:20
  It's not expensive. What's jumping out at you,
• 2:11:22
  Gavin? Like what are?
• 2:11:25
  I think we need, I think, I think we need hope.
• 2:11:28
  I think we need common people in there.
• 2:11:29
  That's that'll be my pick. I'm with it.
• 2:11:34
  I'm down. Yeah, I'm about that, yeah.
• 2:11:37
  I would, yeah. Like, yeah, boom and boom.
• 2:11:40
  How? About the How about the church?
• 2:11:44
  I'll fight for the church. Hell yeah, that was going to be
• 2:11:46
  the next one, I said. That that that song stood out to
• 2:11:51
  me, but I didn't. I didn't think it was amazing,
• 2:11:53
  but I won't fight against it. What?
• 2:11:55
  What other threes are there? Could I?
• 2:11:57
  Could I fight for one? We don't have any other threes.
• 2:12:00
  We're we're looking at twos now. Hit me with twos.
• 2:12:03
  All right, So if we're taking common people.
• 2:12:06
  We have, we have and we have two left, correct?
• 2:12:09
  I think we have. Three, we got 3 left.
• 2:12:12
  OK, OK, all right, so we've got 7 seconds young till I died.
• 2:12:15
  The Church under the Milky Way, Sponge Molly, Ozzy, Crazy Train,
• 2:12:20
  Flight of the Conchords, Hippopotamus and Rhymnoceros,
• 2:12:22
  Paul Simon, Me and Julio, Iron Sheik Cutie, Monster Man Killing
• 2:12:26
  Joke, Requiem. We already laid down Laderman.
• 2:12:29
  Laderman is still alive if we really want to, but suicidal
• 2:12:34
  tendencies institutionalized Billy Joel scenes from Italian
• 2:12:38
  restaurant. And that's our last one.
• 2:12:41
  So I am, I'm stuck between two things I want to get I want to
• 2:12:47
  get representation for the stuff we did this year.
• 2:12:51
  And I actually think Cutesy Monster Man's a better song than
• 2:12:55
  my dreams, but it's the same damn songwriter and my dreams is
• 2:12:58
  part of him creating the blueprint.
• 2:13:02
  So I I'm going to stump for Ladderman just because I feel
• 2:13:05
  like we really could change some young person's perspective on
• 2:13:12
  there being art that speaks to them by letting somebody hear
• 2:13:18
  this song. I don't think the zeitgeist is
• 2:13:20
  pushing Laderman on kids, despite the fact that they're
• 2:13:24
  still in bands that are doing things like evidenced by the
• 2:13:27
  fact we did an Iron Sheik show and we did a Reviver show and
• 2:13:30
  they were both really easy throws to do.
• 2:13:33
  I'm going to, I'm going to stump for Laderman just because I
• 2:13:36
  think that's why I'm here. I think I'm a part of this
• 2:13:39
  community because I'm going to force people to acknowledge that
• 2:13:44
  bands like that exist. What do you think, Gavin?
• 2:13:50
  Yeah, I like the I like the Iron Sheik song slightly better than
• 2:13:55
  the Laderman song, but but I'm going to defer to Chris.
• 2:13:59
  I mean, his proximity to that scene is like, you know what
• 2:14:02
  Don't you know? Like he should, he should make
• 2:14:05
  the choice out of that. And, and like I, I agree with
• 2:14:08
  you, man, I think it's a better song, like I really do.
• 2:14:10
  I I think you see monster man is there's an argument that it's
• 2:14:14
  it's better than anything latter been put out, but it's not as
• 2:14:17
  important. Gotcha.
• 2:14:19
  Well, keep in mind that we're getting Revivor on next year.
• 2:14:21
  So there, we're going to talk about him again.
• 2:14:23
  That's true. That's true.
• 2:14:24
  So we could you could this will come up and 100% it's not Phil
• 2:14:28
  though. And I wanted to, I wanted to
• 2:14:30
  give Phil his his flowers because like Phil was the dude
• 2:14:33
  that pushed the sound and like literally the Long Island Sound
• 2:14:36
  was born from it. And like, you know, these days,
• 2:14:38
  Jeff Rosenstock's a huge rock star.
• 2:14:40
  But like, he's got a 0 percent chance of being a rock star
• 2:14:43
  without Laderman, am I right? Like oh, for sure, for sure.
• 2:14:45
  Like, and I mean, like Laderman's like, like we talked
• 2:14:48
  about on an episode, like they're one of like they carried
• 2:14:52
  the torch like punk rock in the, like, if they're like DIY punk
• 2:14:58
  rock, like they took that thing and ran with it and like they
• 2:15:02
  toured around and like they came down and played here and like
• 2:15:06
  said, like I those guys slept in my apartment.
• 2:15:09
  Like though they were super cool.
• 2:15:13
  Yeah. I mean, I they're just, they're
• 2:15:14
  a super important band. So I, I just think that's what I
• 2:15:17
  would push for. And I know it's a super
• 2:15:20
  nostalgic pick for me and I know that I'm getting you guys on the
• 2:15:23
  fields, but I just feel like Letterman still has something to
• 2:15:28
  say to young people that just think things could be better.
• 2:15:34
  But also I kind of get this whole meathead thing where like,
• 2:15:37
  we could just have fun and ignore the world, but we can do
• 2:15:40
  it in a way where we're still being cognitive of the fact that
• 2:15:44
  we are human beings living the human experience and other
• 2:15:47
  people exist. And I think it's a hard thing to
• 2:15:49
  do. I think it nobody does it and
• 2:15:51
  we're lucky to have been still doing it.
• 2:15:54
  I'm with it man. Hear me out, we got 3 left.
• 2:15:58
  Let's do Ladderman, the Church, and Failure.
• 2:16:05
  Both those songs were massive things for me.
• 2:16:08
  When I was. Listening to this list, I will
• 2:16:10
  say it's tough for me to not talk about Ozzy right now.
• 2:16:14
  Well, it's fair, all right, so. Yeah, I agree with what you
• 2:16:17
  said, John. I like it.
• 2:16:18
  I like it all. Right.
• 2:16:18
  So let's let's take Laderman, let's take the church for sure.
• 2:16:23
  And let's talk about song 10, because I'm on board with
• 2:16:26
  failure, but I'm also OK with not taking failure.
• 2:16:30
  If song 10 has to be a Peter episode, it fucking has to be.
• 2:16:35
  What? Did.
• 2:16:37
  What did he want? What do you think?
• 2:16:39
  My inclination would be failure, but.
• 2:16:41
  Then I want that. But he also loved the fuck out
• 2:16:45
  of Ozzy and he was on that and it's still around.
• 2:16:49
  He was also on the sponge episode.
• 2:16:51
  So like, if we want to play within the rules, sponge and
• 2:16:54
  Ozzy are still alive. But my inclination is that that
• 2:16:58
  failure would be the one that it sounds like everybody agrees
• 2:17:02
  with under the Milky Way, right? Yeah.
• 2:17:06
  All right, let's take the church at #9 but I will put my foot
• 2:17:12
  down here. Number 10 has to be a Peter
• 2:17:14
  episode it it fucking has to totally.
• 2:17:17
  Well, let's, let's let me just say what I think.
• 2:17:19
  I had other thoughts there too. I think based off the things we
• 2:17:23
  said and I've just been making notes about how much things came
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  up, the only two songs we haven't looked at that everybody
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  was really jazzed on were Silver Jews and Killing Joke.
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  Can we say those are gone? We were all really and Emil and
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  the Sniffers, but I made fun of it.
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  It's not bad. Those 3 songs were the ones that
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  are mentioned the most. Are we throwing those out?
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  Yeah, those were, those were all binners anyway, so.
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  So that's what we've like the the four of us have two.
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  But like, yeah, I would people we talked about church over
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  Killing Joke if it came down to those two.
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  I have the ones that we threw out and I've just been putting
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  check marks next to when one of the four of us says a glowing
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  thing. And Killing Joke and Silver Jews
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  got the most. Yeah, Killing Joke, Yeah, you're
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  right, was a two, but the other two were were Bend.
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  So Amy and the Sniffers and Silver Jews.
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  So if we agree, we're throwing those out.
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  I think we're only talking about the songs you've brought up.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  OK all. Right.
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  And I mean, again, if we want to play within the rules, I, I
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  think, you know, it'd be interesting to, to put there's,
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  there's a couple different, you know, ways to approach it
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  because we lost Ozzy last year. Like it would make sense to put
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  Ozzy as #10 as Peter's episode. But Ozzy doesn't need us.
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  Ozzy absolutely does not need us.
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  He doesn't. Fill your mic right.
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  Now, right now, he doesn't need anything.
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  He's dead. Yeah, You know what I mean?
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  Like, I, I don't think we need to worry about what Ozzy needs.
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  Yeah, Ozzy, the state's going to be fine.
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  They got a whole reality show. I, I think, I think we owe the
• 2:19:01
  fact that we're here talking about Hard Rock to Ozzy
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  Osbourne. And again, I'm not going to talk
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  about what Peter wanted more between the two songs because
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  both are great and I'm fine with whatever we choose.
• 2:19:13
  I'm just going to say like this, this is it, right?
• 2:19:17
  We we, you did the Ozzy episode right after he passed away and
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  it was kismet and quite literally Hard Rock was invented
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  by this guy and his friends. So that's all I'm going to say.
• 2:19:30
  I am fine with what the choices. So to me, again, I'm open to all
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  three again, it just has to be a Peter episode again.
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  My inclination is that he would want failure and I let off with
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  that for a reason. It I mean, you know, putting my
• 2:19:54
  own personal feelings about the song aside, but it was going to
• 2:19:58
  be my #2 play anyway because it was my second favorite.
• 2:20:01
  It's one of those bands that should have been in my life like
• 2:20:04
  the whole time. But I feel like Sponge at least
• 2:20:14
  a nabbed 2 people. So if we're going to play within
• 2:20:17
  the rules. Sponge kind of lives like sound
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  wise like just before what failure was doing I.
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  Don't think it was way more interesting to me as as an
• 2:20:30
  outsider like Sponge was. Like, it wasn't ADHD theater, it
• 2:20:36
  was really tight art, but it was way more interesting, you know
• 2:20:41
  what I mean? Yeah, What do you think, Gavin?
• 2:20:46
  Yeah, I mean, I like, I have a lot that OK.
• 2:20:49
  I like the the Peter thing. It's really good.
• 2:20:52
  I feel like there is, I don't give a fuck about Ozzy.
• 2:20:55
  Just throwing that out there. I never have.
• 2:20:58
  But like it is weird that they both, you know, the, the
• 2:21:02
  synchronicity of that. I feel like Peter's best
• 2:21:05
  performance on those 3 episodes was on the Ozzy episode.
• 2:21:10
  But I'm not going to vote for Ozzy because, again, he doesn't
• 2:21:13
  need us. I think that my favorite song of
• 2:21:18
  those 3 is the sponge song. But Justin, I think it's cool
• 2:21:23
  for you to have a pick. It's like you give us a pick.
• 2:21:25
  Like, what do you really want? We get to kind of all throw in
• 2:21:28
  our last thing. And like from the very beginning
• 2:21:31
  of the show, you were really feeling the failure song.
• 2:21:34
  And you also think that that may be the one that Peter picked if
• 2:21:38
  he was here. So fucking let's.
• 2:21:40
  Let's do it. I think it's I'm I'm convinced.
• 2:21:46
  Oh, man, I didn't think this was going to happen.
• 2:21:49
  Yeah, man. You just pulled the John.
• 2:21:53
  That's amazing. How's it feel to be the fourth
• 2:21:56
  quarter hero I miss? I miss my friend.
• 2:21:59
  Man, I know, man. Yeah, man.
• 2:22:01
  I know, man. It's it's brutal.
• 2:22:04
  You know what the the it's a gift.
• 2:22:06
  It's a gift that we're old enough to lose friends.
• 2:22:09
  Like not everybody gets to be old enough for that, but it
• 2:22:14
  doesn't make it easy. And this world is really dark.
• 2:22:20
  And when you find people that make it a little brighter, it's
• 2:22:23
  impossible to rationalize the fact that they can go away.
• 2:22:27
  And I'm so glad. I'm so glad he could touch
• 2:22:29
  people. And I'm, I'm glad we can honor
• 2:22:31
  him with this. And I I that's what I want to
• 2:22:34
  do. Yeah.
• 2:22:37
  Thank you guys so much for doing that.
• 2:22:39
  Yeah. All right.
• 2:22:43
  Oh, I didn't think that was happening the night.
• 2:22:47
  Oh boy. Let's go, Justin.
• 2:22:48
  Let's go, dude. Let's go, man.
• 2:22:50
  Yeah, come on. Show them the real shit.
• 2:22:53
  This is great. This is good.
• 2:22:55
  OK, let's run this down. We did it.
• 2:23:01
  All right. Pavement.
• 2:23:03
  Summer, babe. Mets about to drown in the hold.
• 2:23:06
  Steady. Stay positive.
• 2:23:07
  Duran. Duran.
• 2:23:08
  Hungry like the wolf. Cheap trick.
• 2:23:09
  Surrender, Sam. I am doll pulp common people
• 2:23:13
  Laderman my dreams about not sleeping until 3:00 PM the
• 2:23:16
  church under the Milky Way and for you Peter failure stuck on
• 2:23:20
  you let's. Go, let's go.
• 2:23:24
  Who? All right, let me try and wrap
• 2:23:28
  this up. Maybe a 46 year old man
• 2:23:34
  blubbering into a microphone is your jam.
• 2:23:36
  If that's the case, then boy, are you in the right place.
• 2:23:41
  patreon.com/show Hi Justin is a great way to support the
• 2:23:45
  program. I would appreciate that a lot.
• 2:23:48
  It's a dollar a month that that can get you in the door and it
• 2:23:53
  gets you deprogrammed before the rest of the world.
• 2:23:55
  It gets you the after the fact conversation that we're not
• 2:23:58
  having because it's included in in the best of episodes.
• 2:24:03
  But just go in there and you can hear all the after the facts.
• 2:24:10
  The we did everything. I feel like we we we we covered
• 2:24:14
  the gamut on on 2025. We lost a dear friend and Peter,
• 2:24:19
  you're always going to be on on our minds for a podcast.
• 2:24:23
  I subscribe rate comment it. It feels really gross to to be
• 2:24:28
  doing these things as I just cried about my friend like it.
• 2:24:34
  But you know what the fuck we are and you know how the fuck to
• 2:24:37
  subscribe to it. So with that deprogrammed best
• 2:24:41
  of 25 one, I'm a lot of people and we will see you next week.
• 2:24:44
  Goodbye.