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Episode 144: Part 1 of our new series on "The Obi-Wan Actors" - Admiring the Subtleties of Alec Guinness, the Original Obi-Wan Kenobi · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's Most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hi everyone, Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, A
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  podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi in all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And before we get into this week's episode, Lauren and I
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  would like to extend a very We're just filled with gratitude
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  over the fact that James Arnold Taylor, Obi Wan from Clone Wars
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  himself, decided to crash our party and come to our Patreon
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  hangout, and words can't express.
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  And we've already thanked him enough.
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  The group thanked him. He's just so gracious and lovely
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  and kind and funny. I laughed so hard during his
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  stories, yes, but you know, you never know who's going to show
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  up to our Patreon Hangouts, so. Yes, it it pays to be Most
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  things can be Patreon. Really.
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  And it was. It was actually unplanned.
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  It was seated. What is it?
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  Fly by the seat of your pants Moment.
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  Yeah, yeah. Fly by the seat of your Jedi
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  robes, perhaps, in this case, but he he came and he answered
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  questions, and he was lovely, and we thank him for it.
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  Yeah, he was so gracious and it was his idea 100%.
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  We try, we try not to pester him or over contact.
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  We we don't want to take advantage of the friendship he's
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  extended to us, but out of the blue, he just DM Ed me on
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  Instagram. I was like, you wanna send me
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  that zoom link and I'll come right out.
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  It was so cool. It was.
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  When Obi Wan wants to come to your get together, you don't
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  deny it and you think he genuinely likes us, which is
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  such a compliment. Well, and right back at him,
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  he's just. Like, absolutely.
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  So sincere, so funny, so gracious, just can't say enough
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  nice things about him. So we feel very truly, very
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  grateful and lucky to have him as our patron St.
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  Our, our, our gratitude cup spilleth over Yes.
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  And you know what? We're actually going to talk
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  about James Arnold Taylor. Not this episode, but I don't
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  know which episode. But we're doing all of the we're
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  discussing all of the Obi Wan's and what they bring to the
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  table. So that brings us full circle
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  back to what today's episode is about, which is the Obi Wan.
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  'S a. Series about each of the actors
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  that have done Obi Wan in the sense of the character of voice,
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  live action, etcetera, and what they bring to the table as their
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  version of Obi Wan. Yeah, what do you think?
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  Each one brings something totally different.
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  And this week we're focusing on Alec Guinness the Obi Wan.
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  Yeah, it's like the the, the one and the one who started it all.
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  The one who started it all. The the, the one that was good.
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  I like that. Which now, having done research
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  on Alec Guinness, I feel kind of guilty doing an episode about
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  him since he hated attention and didn't want to be acknowledged
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  for Star Wars. Really.
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  I mean, too damn bad he ended up being one of the most iconic
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  characters ever and spawning a a multitude of fans and stories
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  and and head cannons and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Yeah. So sorry Alec, but fate writes
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  itself, right? Yeah, and honestly, I can't
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  think of a better actor from that era to play Obi Wan.
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  What was it? It was the early 70s, right?
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  Or is it 70s, late 70s? Mid 70s, Whatever.
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  I can't remember because my brain is fried right now, but.
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  Well, you said it before when we were getting ready for this
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  episode. Is that this, this genre of
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  actors is like, almost damn near gone.
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  Yes. Yeah, it's a thing of the past
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  this this generation of acting. And there's like the especially
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  these British actors like Alec Guinness, Peter Cushing,
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  Christopher Lee, they had this. The Brits have this great
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  storytelling skill where they tell a story and they keep you
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  on the edge of your seat, even just doing a regular interview.
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  And Alec Guinness was such a gentleman and so charming, but
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  had a very dry wit and you could tell he was extremely
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  intelligent and really observant and I think that's what made him
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  such a good actor. Yes.
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  He was kind of known for his miniscule performance well.
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  I also, we talk a lot before we even get going.
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  We press record. We don't plan out our episodes.
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  We just BS before we while we're getting ourselves together and
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  getting this little things up, our notes and things.
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  And I was saying, oh, my mom just adores him as an actor,
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  Loves every movie he's been in or most.
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  I don't know what one she's seen, but I have to be
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  completely honest, I haven't seen many of his movies.
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  I know of him. I'm aware of him.
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  I've seen him in the old movies, but I've never.
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  I was in a film class in college, and it was actually
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  awesome because they forced us to watch the classic films, some
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  with subtitles because they were in different languages.
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  And I I loved that. And he was in.
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  You know, it's weird because, you know, you're watching like
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  Obi Wan, but it's not because he's so much more.
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  He has a history, you know, and these actors and actresses tend
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  to be like labeled once they hit it big with these mainstream
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  films. And it's no wonder he kind of
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  like SHIELD away from no attention, no Star Wars
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  attention. I mean, I Harrison Ford's kind
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  of the same, although he's got, he's got a little chip on his
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  shoulder about it. But you know, it's Harrison Ford
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  and it's Alec Guinness. Yeah, I mean, Alec Guinness.
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  I saw a great interview with him where he talked about how he
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  received. I mean, actually, you can find
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  this story multiple places. He's told it over and over, but
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  he received the script on one of his last day shooting in Los
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  Angeles. It arrived in on his dressing
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  room table and he recognized the name George Lucas, like it was
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  delivered by George Lucas. And he knew American Graffiti.
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  He knew he was an up and coming director.
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  And he said it was really disappointed to open the script
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  and see it was sci-fi. And he was just like, oh, I
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  don't, I don't do that. But he started reading it and he
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  hated the dialogue. He hated it, but he said the
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  story was so good he couldn't stop reading it.
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  And he said, OK, I like it, but if we could change some of the
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  terrible writing, I'll agree to do it.
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  I mean, he won. He won an Academy Award for Best
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  Actor in what, 1957 Bridge Over River Kwai.
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  Which is the only other Alec Guinness movie I've seen and I I
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  did not enjoy that movie. No, I think mine was Lawrence of
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  Arabia. That's the one I saw in college
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  I. Forgot he's in that then I I've
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  seen that also but I which is not.
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  Bad, I mean. Yeah, I mean, Peter O'Toole also
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  another one from that. Generation.
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  Yeah, I I was probably too young to really appreciate Bridge Over
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  the River Kwai. I might appreciate it more now,
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  but. Well, I'm saying like, you go
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  from winning an Academy Award to be, like, handed this script of
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  the old man in the desert, you know?
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  Yeah. Seriously.
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  But he I as I was reading more about alegness he's known for he
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  didn't want to be a big like over performer.
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  He was the opposite. He actually, and even says this
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  in his lifetime achievement Academy Award that he won.
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  He says that he learned to do nothing at all and that's what
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  he's been doing his whole life as an actor and hit.
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  His performances are really miniscule and he was really big
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  on personal mannerisms. So his Co star Peter Yusinov,
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  who I freaking love, He is an amazing actor, 50s, sixties,
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  70s. I adore that man.
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  He said that Alec would like push his own personal mannerisms
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  down and bring new ones out for the character so that Alec
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  didn't even exist. He was moving his hands and his
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  body like another person. That's true acting.
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  That's good acting. That's hard to do, I think.
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  Yeah, And he said he, he, Alec Guinness said that he didn't
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  feel he had a character until he felt like he was walking like
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  that character. Oh, wow.
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  And think of, OK, now we'll apply that to Obi Wan and think
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  of like the little jaw, you know, beard scratch and certain
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  little mannerisms he has. The ponderous arms.
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  Yes, that his now. Yeah, it's made.
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  Its way into animation like it's.
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  You know the ponderous arms, how he's always crossed and like
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  he's got one up. It yes, it's a thing, he tucks
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  the other under the elbow. Yes.
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  Yeah, we're both doing it. No one can see it.
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  But there's so much about his performance, his understated
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  performance, that I think indicates still Waters run deep
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  that because the it's not in the dialogue.
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  I mean, it's there a little bit, but it's really about like Alex,
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  the way he uses his eyes and the way he like you can tell he's
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  kind of holding back, saying something to Luke that you
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  realize there's more to the story.
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  And we're not really getting to know Obi Wan completely because
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  he's keeping his like, inner world to himself and he's just
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  telling Luke what Luke needs to know and think of like where
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  that gives Ewan and James and everyone else like space to
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  play. It's actually really cool.
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  It it, I was just thinking how it set the stage.
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  We'll say for Ewan, because Ewan actually has been quoted saying
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  he studied Alec, his mannerisms, his performance for all of its
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  subtleties and tried to respect the actor, #1 and #2 respect the
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  character that was a result of the actor.
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  And then here comes James and you know on down the line we go,
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  everyone's trying to mimic everyone, but they're all trying
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  to mimic Alec. Yes, what a compliment.
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  And and it really is subtle, I think of the little smirk and
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  the the little sideways eye he gives when right before he gives
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  up himself to Vader and Vader vote kills him.
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  The subtle, that little tiny smirk.
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  We now can see that in you and in animation, in stories
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  written. Yeah, yeah, like.
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  Set the bar. It's so cool.
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  It is cool. And it says here I'm, I'm just
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  looking, He started in theater, which makes absolute sense.
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  Yeah. And it was a non speaking role
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  was his 1934. Wow, so young.
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  Playhouse Theater in London. Amazing.
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  I I just those kinds of First of all, I have such a mad respect
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  for theater. Oh, I do too.
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  I participated in theater when I was younger.
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  Same. Never on stage cuz wow, I can't
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  hold a tune. This man voice of mine can't.
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  I'm just saying I have 0 presence when it comes to the
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  musical arts, but I was a good, pretty good director, if I may
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  say so myself. But you know, I, you know all
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  the moving parts, the grips, the everything, you know, sets and
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  stage management. And then I just love theater,
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  and I bet he was fantastic. Oh my gosh.
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  I'm sure. I'm sure you could feel his
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  presence on stage from. Times, yeah, he's a very refined
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  gentleman and it really plays out well for the for the
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  character of Obi Wan. Yes, I think he brings a lot of
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  dignity to that character, despite him being a hermit in
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  rags in the desert. You know, you've got to believe
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  that he was once, I don't know, a diplomat, a Jedi knight,
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  somebody of stature. And he's just wearing a
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  covering, you know, to hide that.
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  But you believe with his refined accents and the way he presents
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  himself, and you believe that he is a general, like you could
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  really believe, yeah. Yeah, yeah, They carry
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  themselves different and that kind of shows.
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  And what a great example. Now we all have you and I have
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  the issue of why didn't he just tell Luke.
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  Right, right. You know that moment from a
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  certain point of view, which is now very famous.
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  Right. Despite anyone's varying opinion
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  of the moment, it's still very Obi Wan, you know.
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  Yeah. To kind of speak in riddles
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  almost, or become more into Riddle speak as he gets older
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  because he becomes more guarded, I think.
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  Yeah, for sure. Learns to hold his tongue.
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  Which they're showing in the Kenobi series, you know, they're
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  like connecting those dots a little bit more for us.
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  I I think that well, I I saw this really great quote about
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  him. A critic, Kenneth Tynan.
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  Tynan I don't know how to pronounce that.
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  He said that Alex best roles were quote iceberg characters
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  9/10 concealed whose fascination lies not in how they look but in
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  how their minds work. I.
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  Was like very Obi Wan. Yeah, right.
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  Yes. We think we know him, 'cause we
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  we're looking at what's on the surface, but there's so much
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  going on underneath that character, which we say all the
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  time. Well, James Arnold Taylor said
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  it last night on our Zoom call. That's.
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  True, We did he. Actually said that or a version
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  of it about how he thinks that Obi Wan was more insecure than
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  he lets on, which I thought was was actually quite brilliant
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  because. Yeah.
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  I don't know. Just seems like he he could have
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  insecurities. Well, think of all the
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  vulnerabilities that he that character has and how they all
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  ended badly. Yeah.
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  But he's learned to present himself like the general, like
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  you said. And then by the time he's the
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  age of what Alec Guinness was in the original trilogy, well, he's
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  a force ghost so maybe he has no age.
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  But you know that lasting the the the wise old elder, if you
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  will. It makes complete sense as to
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  how we got to that point. You know it.
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  Yeah. It's it's kind of Hindsight's
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  2020 'cause we know the UN after the Alec, but if all we had was
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  Alec, we could still discern the type of character that Obi Wan
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  is, just from those moments in the three films, very clearly.
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  Yes, I I agree. I totally agree.
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  He's clearly got a complicated inner landscape because of the
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  way he talks to Luke. And we find out, like you said
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  hindsight, that maybe part of that is trauma driven, that he
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  doesn't want to talk about what really happened or now he's got
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  a new perspective on it so that he could like remove himself.
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  But either way, you get this sense that it's like a subject
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  he's dancing around the truth with.
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  And they never gave us anything. If the original trilogy was all
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  we got, We just get this unresolved sense from this
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  character. You know that that.
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  Yeah, we don't know anything about his and Anakin's
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  relationship, how deep it was, how far back it went, how it
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  started under the circumstances it started and.
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  Right. Alec was the starter of this,
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  and it gave so much room to play.
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  Like you said, there was room to expand upon that.
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  I mean, it was all in George Lucas's head anyway.
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  But if we never got the prequels, the sequels, and
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  everything in between, and we only got the original trilogy,
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  we would only know that there's this mysterious friendship that
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  Obi Wan had with Luke's father. Luke's father turned to the dark
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  side. And here we are like, that's it.
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  Bullet points, right? That's wild.
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  And that that mystery adds to the story.
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  Yeah. And now that we have the whole
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  truth, it's painful as fuck. Star Wars is pain.
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  Star Wars is. Officially pain.
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  Officially. I think it's kind of cool, too,
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  when you think about the very first movie, just Star Wars,
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  it's all from one line, he just says.
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  And he was a good friend. And the way he says that, you're
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  just like, oh, there's a story there.
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  Yeah, it's it's very bittersweet in the past, he acknowledges it,
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  doesn't want to harp on it. Something happened there that
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  was deeper than he's letting on with just his words.
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  Prob #1 to protect the boy, #2 to protect himself from past
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  hurt. Right, exactly.
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  All delivered in one line. Can you imagine going back and
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  like being able to watch the first movie with no Star Wars
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  knowledge? Again, I would.
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  I would love to try that, but only and I think that's only
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  possible if I get dementia, so hopefully that.
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  Doesn't Let's not. No, no, let's not go there with
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  that. Ever.
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  We want to hold on to all these memories.
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  Yes, please. But it'd be so cool to get that
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  surprise again, you know, remembering that the first time
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  you hear about Luke's father, he was betrayed and murdered.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't know anything
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  about it. Like, yeah, that's horrible.
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  Yeah, but very intriguing. Oh, it's much deeper.
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  Yeah, it's way worse than you thought.
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  It's way, way fucking worse. And it's actually that moment
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  now that I think about it. When he's mentioning it, isn't
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  Luke kind of like standing there and holding the life Saber?
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  And he's and it's this child, not child, but this childlike
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  energy versus this lived, experienced.
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  Yes. Traumatized, in a way.
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  Lived through some shit. Yeah, it's really awesome.
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  Yeah, it is. It really is.
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  I don't know. He's a good fucking actor.
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  He's really good. It makes me want to go and watch
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  a whole bunch of his other movies because he he did so much
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  more than Star Wars. Star Wars was like the small.
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  I know he he kind of was grumpy about it and he ended up
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  actually making a ton of money, like a living off of it, even
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  though it was like grudgingly he did the sequels, you know, But
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  it's a small part of his career compared to everything else.
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  I'd love to go back and kind of. Get more familiar, you know,
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  with his other work. He's been nominated for
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  countless, countless awards from different, you know, different
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  societies, Golden Globes, Academy Awards, film critics,
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  New York film critics, etcetera, etcetera.
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  The thing is that he played I need to see this.
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  I have to. I can't call myself a Hamlet
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  fan. Oh yeah.
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  He's in Hamlet over and over and over.
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  And he's in Macbeth and also Romeo and Juliet.
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  So he's done many theater renditions of characters from
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  these stories. I love me some Hamlet and
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  Macbeth. Really, they're the two twisted
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  stories. But.
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  I know. Macbeth is.
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  Oh my God, Macbeth is so good, and but certain renditions of it
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  I can't bear to watch because it's so upsetting.
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  Oh yeah, Macbeth is upsetting and I love it because of it.
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  The more twisted the better. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Well, can we talk about Obi Wan from this era in terms of like
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  the Hero's Journey for a second? Yes, please.
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  Do tolerate me going down this rabbit hole.
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  Listen, you are the Hero's Journey expert on this show.
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  I would love to do a whole episode of several on the Hero's
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  journey in Star Wars Cause regarding Luke specifically.
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  Yes, yes. Oh my.
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  God, it's so good. Yes.
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  But Obi Wan's really important in these original trilogy's
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  because he is the wise old man or the wise old wizard, or he's
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  the mentor character that comes in and he meets the hero on the
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  edge of the forest, right in the forest.
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  It's like this threshold between the known world and the unknown
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  world for Luke is who we're talking about.
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  And Obi Wan, the mentor, helps you transition from the known
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  world into the unknown world. And then you're kind of like on
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  your own once you get there and you learn a bunch of horrible
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  painful lessons. But.
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  Gandalf and Frodo, everybody. Yes, exactly.
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  Just saying. So like this, this archetype,
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  this old man is specifically responsible most of the time for
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  giving the hero an enchanted sword, like when he hands Luke
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  the lightsaber. And this magical sword
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  represents the power, the larger world and the next phase of the
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  hero's past. So it is the lightsaber, a
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  weapon of a more civilized age. But now we also know it's tied
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  to the Force, which is the magic that you know, quote UN quote
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  that Luke needs to learn to master.
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  And if you're not good at it, it can be a really destructive
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  power. So it's like you're being handed
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  ticking time bomb and if you use it right, it can be used for
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  good and if you use it wrong you can destroy everything around
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  you. Yes.
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  Which is I love the Hero's journey so much.
• 23:33
  Don't mind me over here in Lord of the Rings Land, but now I'm
• 23:36
  thinking of Bilbo and Frodo. Frodo had a lot of helpers, I
• 23:39
  mean. Yeah.
• 23:41
  He had a lot of helpers, but Bilbo gave him the enchanted
• 23:44
  sword. Just so many similarities.
• 23:47
  I want to do a We're going to do an episode.
• 23:49
  We will, I promise. The Lord of the Rings
• 23:51
  comparison, Yeah, we. Yes.
• 23:53
  But like the fact that that Luke's sword is tied to his own
• 24:01
  like family, that's a pass down thing.
• 24:05
  It's a lot of smart symbols to do.
• 24:07
  That because it already invests you in that character's unknown
• 24:13
  past. He has a choice following his
• 24:16
  father's footsteps, but the complication is his father's
• 24:19
  footsteps were good for a time. Right.
• 24:22
  So which of his father father's paths will he choose with this?
• 24:28
  I fucking love this shit. Sorry.
• 24:33
  I'm. I'm supposed to be letting you
• 24:35
  talk? I'm sorry.
• 24:36
  No. This is it's a conversation.
• 24:38
  I love it. Oh, I love it.
• 24:40
  It's like a period of the hero's journey called Separation and
• 24:44
  it's it's sometimes called Departure.
• 24:46
  But I think Separation is better because the hero starts to
• 24:49
  realize he's in his normal life and he is kind of, like not
• 24:53
  super comfortable. But he's doing what he has to
• 24:55
  do, which is exactly what Luke is doing.
• 24:57
  And there's a refusal of the call.
• 24:59
  Somebody says you must go to Alderaan.
• 25:03
  I'm getting too old for this, and Luke says I can't.
• 25:06
  And this is all part of the hero's journey.
• 25:08
  And then something else happens. An external thing happens, like
• 25:11
  Stormtroopers setting your family on fire.
• 25:14
  Yes, pushes you over that threshold.
• 25:17
  Exactly. And so Obi Wan is present
• 25:21
  through all these stages. And you like at that point, you
• 25:24
  separate from the life you knew and go into a life you don't
• 25:29
  know, But you never come back into that.
• 25:31
  Like you return to the known world, but you never return to
• 25:35
  who you are or that space that you began.
• 25:38
  Oh, because you know things now that you didn't know then and
• 25:41
  there's no turning back. One of the great things that I
• 25:44
  love about Hero's Journey, which I'm sure is it Lord of the
• 25:47
  Rings. So tell me if it is because you
• 25:48
  know better than, but that knowledge is also a huge burden.
• 25:54
  Absolutely. 100, 1000% correct. Yes.
• 25:58
  But if you knew that at the beginning, you wouldn't start.
• 26:00
  You just start your fresh eyed, bushy tailed.
• 26:02
  You're like, I'm going to go and have an adventure and right.
• 26:06
  It starts as an adventure and in the end of act one you're
• 26:10
  victorious, which is what happens with the Death Star.
• 26:14
  But then act Two terrible things happen.
• 26:18
  More players are involved. It gets the stakes get crazier
• 26:22
  and and higher and more detrimental and.
• 26:27
  That's where you add enemies and allies.
• 26:30
  That's a specific moment, so more people come into the story
• 26:34
  exactly. It's so good this.
• 26:36
  Is classic and wonderful, and it's the baseline for good
• 26:41
  storytelling. If you can be creative about it
• 26:46
  while also writing it out in this form, you know and.
• 26:51
  Once you know the form, you can move it around and and mess with
• 26:54
  it. But like starting with the form
• 26:56
  I think is important to understand the arc.
• 27:00
  So if you break that arc, you're doing it for a reason and it
• 27:03
  adds more meaning you know, to to the story.
• 27:07
  But I think it's it's so great that a great actor like Alec
• 27:12
  Guinness got to play this part because it's so important.
• 27:15
  It's like the foundation of everything that comes later.
• 27:19
  And it would never have happened if Obi Wan didn't give Luke the
• 27:23
  Enchanted Sword. Yes, yeah, it was in that
• 27:28
  moment. Yeah, it's the crux of all the
• 27:31
  rest of Star Wars that comes even bad badge and all acoly
• 27:34
  everything that's coming now. All of it.
• 27:37
  Yeah. That's wild to think of,
• 27:40
  actually. It's crazy.
• 27:41
  Right. No pressure, Alec.
• 27:45
  Oh no, no, no. I mean he's a Force ghost now.
• 27:47
  It's fine. Like we always say, he is tied
• 27:50
  to those damn Skywalkers for the rest of his life.
• 27:52
  Force ghost and. Everything, for better or worse.
• 27:55
  Man, oh. Man.
• 28:02
  You're so right though, it it all kind of pivots right around
• 28:07
  Obi Wan in A New Hope. Yeah.
• 28:11
  A New Hope. Those words.
• 28:14
  I know that's the beginning of a whole ass journey.
• 28:19
  What has brought us all here right now to this moment?
• 28:22
  Crazy. Yeah.
• 28:24
  God, I love a good fucking story.
• 28:26
  I just. It's making me want to go back
• 28:28
  and watch the films and then reread Lord of the Rings.
• 28:31
  Which summer's coming? Summer is coming and I read it
• 28:34
  every two summers and this summer's the time.
• 28:38
  I was gonna say, is this the scheduled?
• 28:41
  This is the scheduled summer. I read like 1/4 of it last year,
• 28:45
  just just to have just to have a moment.
• 28:48
  You're allowed. I know.
• 28:51
  Like, that's like watching, you know, half of Empire Strikes
• 28:55
  Back. You just got to get a taste,
• 28:57
  'cause you're craving some, Lord, I'm sorry, some Star Wars.
• 28:59
  And you, you want to watch a little bit.
• 29:01
  And so, you know, OK, I'm good, you know?
• 29:03
  Honestly, any time I put Empire Strikes Back on, then I like
• 29:06
  roll right into Return of the Jedi.
• 29:08
  I'm like and I just go back and start A New Hope also, you know.
• 29:11
  What I We're here. Yeah.
• 29:14
  Exactly. You're always turning.
• 29:16
  You're always turning on Rogue One.
• 29:18
  Shit, it all connects. It all connects.
• 29:22
  Cause the Hero's journey is in all of these things.
• 29:26
  Yeah, and even if it's not not the full, and it doesn't, you
• 29:29
  don't always have to write the full journey.
• 29:30
  Like I said, A New Hope only goes up to the part called
• 29:35
  Crossing the First Threshold. And Return of the Jedi doesn't
• 29:40
  even finish the full Hero's Journey.
• 29:43
  It stops it. I can't remember the the section
• 29:46
  anymore, but it doesn't fit like and I know that the new trilogy
• 29:50
  is tried to resolve it and I I would love to do an episode
• 29:54
  explaining why it was unsuccessfully done, but that's
• 29:57
  just another time. Well, we're focusing on Alec
• 30:01
  here in the in the original trilogy, so you know, exactly,
• 30:03
  exactly focus. I love that every time we bring
• 30:07
  up The Last Jedi, we just, like, we can't talk about that right
• 30:10
  now. We want to keep good energy here
• 30:14
  and also respect the people who do like it while also
• 30:17
  complaining about it, because that's what we do.
• 30:20
  We don't complain about it, we critique it.
• 30:22
  Right. And that's why I think if you
• 30:24
  use the Hero's Journey as a critique, it is a yes, a rubric
• 30:28
  that shows why it didn't succeed personally.
• 30:32
  Correct our opinion only. Yes.
• 30:34
  Be offended. It'll be all right, folks.
• 30:40
  We have Hello there because of Alec Guinness, actually.
• 30:45
  It it really, that's the utter truth.
• 30:50
  There would be no continued everlasting redone hello there
• 30:56
  if we didn't have Alec Guinness Original Line, his first line as
• 31:03
  Obi Wan. And it was the last line in the
• 31:06
  Kenobi series. Full.
• 31:08
  ARC. Full arc.
• 31:12
  Well, maybe it wasn't. You know, it's not the last
• 31:15
  line, cuz. Quagon comes after that.
• 31:17
  And then there's that scene. But.
• 31:19
  Okay, but you know for, for, for.
• 31:21
  Close. Episodes sake close enough?
• 31:22
  Okay. So after discussing Alec
• 31:29
  Guinness and his portrayal, the original portrayal of Obi Wan
• 31:34
  Kenobi, what is your favorite line that he delivers?
• 31:39
  So many to choose. From I know.
• 31:43
  Honestly, every line, I feel like it's.
• 31:46
  Classic. That everyone ever speaks, no
• 31:48
  matter who plays it, is my favorite.
• 31:50
  That's. True.
• 31:51
  That's true. OK, but pick one from the
• 31:55
  original trilogy if you must. I mean, if you can, yeah.
• 32:00
  And join us back here next week for Part 2 of the series.
• 32:03
  We are going to talk about Ewan McGregor playing Obi Wan Kenobi,
• 32:07
  which I know a lot of people are so jazzed about, to use an old
• 32:12
  fashioned phrase. Yes, there's a lot to delve
• 32:16
  into. Instead of just three films with
• 32:19
  limited dialogue, we've got so much material to cover.
• 32:23
  No, and he's it like Alec was in the movies for maybe a few
• 32:27
  minutes. Ewan is in all of the the.
• 32:33
  The so television series now oh. My God.
• 32:39
  Don't forget, Yeah, right. So we'll be here next week
• 32:43
  talking about the amazing Ewan McGregor and what he brought the
• 32:47
  performance of Obi Wan, so join us back here.
• 32:51
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• 32:54
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