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Beyonce's Transformative Power, Cultural Crossroads of Music, Racism and OJ · All About The Joy

• 0:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
• 0:01
  Carmen Lezeth: We're a little bit early.
• 0:02
  Carmen Lezeth: We're live.
• 0:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia and I went on live quick.
• 0:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Who said hi?
• 0:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that?
• 0:06
  Maurio Dawson: That was Alma.
• 0:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, hi Alma, Hi Alma.
• 0:09
  Maurio Dawson: She said hey.
• 0:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey.
• 0:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So we were getting in the depths of a conversation and I was like let's just go on, because, see, this is the juicy stuff.
• 0:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So, Cynthia was just giving me an update on what happened last week with her patient.
• 0:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia was just giving me an update on what happened last week with her patient.
• 0:27
  Carmen Lezeth: The doctor came and apologized to her for a patient's behavior and I was asking but why did the doctor?
• 0:31
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not the doctor's fault.
• 0:32
  Carmen Lezeth: So, Cynthia was going on to tell the rest of the story.
• 0:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, Cynthia.
• 0:37
  Cynthia Ruiz: So the doctor sent me an email apologizing, you know, just asking if there was anything that she could have done or said to make the situation better, Because she felt bad for me.
• 0:44
  Cynthia Ruiz: She, you know, she saw how upset I was and how the patient was treating me and I just told her you know, people are having an off day.
• 0:51
  Cynthia Ruiz: It's no one's fault, you know.
• 0:53
  Cynthia Ruiz: It is what it is.
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  Cynthia Ruiz: We deal with it and move on.
• 0:56
  Maurio Dawson: So that's empathy, that's just empathy, that that's nothing else.
• 1:01
  Maurio Dawson: You know when, when you have, when you have concern for someone, if you're a good person or a kind person, it's nothing.
• 1:08
  Maurio Dawson: It's not that they did anything wrong, but they felt bad that you had to enjoy that situation and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:12
  Maurio Dawson: I think that's great yeah hey, rick, we're live.
• 1:15
  Carmen Lezeth: We're live already.
• 1:16
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what let me give a shout out to uh tony, because it's totally the reason why we've come up with this.
• 1:25
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy thing and it's so funny on that clip.
• 1:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Did you guys check out the clip?
• 1:30
  TikTok: Yes.
• 1:30
  Carmen Lezeth: So funny I was cracking up.
• 1:32
  Carmen Lezeth: We didn't even rehearse, it was so good Speaking of Tony and.
• 1:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Tony Speaking of.
• 1:37
  Cynthia Ruiz: Tony, how are you?
• 1:38
  Carmen Lezeth: doing, but that's kind of part of our whole logo and our thing now.
• 1:41
  Carmen Lezeth: So so Cynthia was just giving an update on what happened last week with one of her patients and her doctor turned around and apologized.
• 1:49
  Carmen Lezeth: We were just going through that kind of thing where I was kind of asking why would the doctor apologize for the patient's behavior?
• 1:55
  Carmen Lezeth: And Mario, of course, is like empathy bitch.
• 2:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't say that, but yeah empathy, yeah, but Rick, how are you doing Good good?
• 2:08
  Rick Costa: good, just as always, busy, busy, busy.
• 2:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Busy, busy, busy Mario.
• 2:12
  Carmen Lezeth: How?
• 2:12
  Maurio Dawson: are you?
• 2:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't check in with you when you came on.
• 2:14
  Maurio Dawson: I'm doing really well.
• 2:15
  Maurio Dawson: Can't just counting down the days getting stressed out for this kid?
• 2:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, what do you mean getting stressed out for this kid?
• 2:20
  Maurio Dawson: Because my kid's graduation, graduationations, everything's like.
• 2:23
  Maurio Dawson: All the phone calls are coming in my, my dad's getting ready to fly in.
• 2:27
  Maurio Dawson: You know, it's just logistics.
• 2:29
  Maurio Dawson: Now everybody's just calling me back to back.
• 2:31
  Maurio Dawson: People are saying you know, they got, you know stuff in the mail.
• 2:33
  Maurio Dawson: I'm like okay, yeah.
• 2:34
  Maurio Dawson: They're like what are you doing?
• 2:36
  Maurio Dawson: What's next?
• 2:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like you know let's just, let's just tell everyone, especially people who are listening to the podcast um in the future, that your daughter Marissa.
• 2:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I say Mauricia.
• 2:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Can we say it in Spanish like that?
• 2:47
  Maurio Dawson: No, Even if it's in Spanish, it's Marissa All right whatever.
• 2:52
  Maurio Dawson: It's Marissa Luz.
• 2:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Marissa no, I'm just kidding, I'm just saying I knew her when she was in the belly and everything you did, you knew her before she knew herself.
• 3:00
  Maurio Dawson: That's right, I knew her before she knew me.
• 3:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my God, I did not say that, I'm just kidding, I just.
• 3:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But she's graduating from Pepperdine.
• 3:10
  Maurio Dawson: Yes, at 20 years old.
• 3:12
  Maurio Dawson: Come on now.
• 3:13
  Carmen Lezeth: That is just a blessing.
• 3:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, are we snapping?
• 3:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that what we're doing?
• 3:18
  Maurio Dawson: That's for the kids, that's what the kids do.
• 3:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yay, yay, that's so cool, so well.
• 3:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Congratulations.
• 3:23
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a good thing to be busy and crazed about.
• 3:25
  Maurio Dawson: I'm just saying Today she had her sunset ceremony.
• 3:37
  Maurio Dawson: So when the freshmen come in, they have a sunrise ceremony as freshmen at Pepperdine, where they go and watch the sunset as a class and it represents the beginning of their journey at Pepperdine.
• 3:43
  Maurio Dawson: And now that they're seniors, they're having their sunset ceremony where the sun is setting on their time there and it's a beautiful thing and they sit and watch the sunset and they have this beautiful ceremony at sunset.
• 3:48
  Maurio Dawson: It's great.
• 3:48
  Carmen Lezeth: So that is beautiful.
• 3:50
  Maurio Dawson: Wow.
• 3:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Congratulations.
• 3:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so happy for us.
• 3:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like I had a part to do with it.
• 3:54
  Cynthia Ruiz: Absolutely.
• 3:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Nothing at all, but and I can't believe I still haven't met her.
• 4:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm gonna have to meet her.
• 4:02
  Cynthia Ruiz: Yeah, we'll talk about that later.
• 4:03
  Cynthia Ruiz: Well, I do have you know.
• 4:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like I know her, know her and I don't you know that's okay, but you do, but you don't I know I do, but I don't, okay, but here's the thing, here's what I want to talk about.
• 4:11
  Carmen Lezeth: So, mario, it's so funny because we, we, we're thinking the same.
• 4:15
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 4:16
  Carmen Lezeth: We were thinking the same thing.
• 4:17
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, mario texts me and he's like I really want to talk about Beyonce, I really want to talk about this song, jolene, and I was like baby, of course, whatever you want, and if you can come on, that'd be great.
• 4:27
  Carmen Lezeth: And you said you would come on, which I think makes it all flavorful.
• 4:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But before we start talking about it, I think we should show a little new video.
• 4:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, you have it all queued up, right, let me just set this up.
• 4:38
  Carmen Lezeth: We're going gonna have a little conversation about it and we'll get to the whole age oj thing later, because I think it's all kind of the same thing in a lot of different ways.
• 4:58
  Carmen Lezeth: So, uh, trust me on that, all right.
• 5:00
  Carmen Lezeth: So let me just do this and we're gonna watch this video, and I don't think mario or cynthia have seen this, not from me.
• 5:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I just had rick do this, uh, late today, because I thought it was interesting okay so beyonce is in her country phase right now.
• 5:13
  Paul Murray: Um, okay, um, I get it.
• 5:16
  Paul Murray: You know this ain't texas, it ain't hold them.
• 5:17
  Paul Murray: My kids just say that over and over and over and over and over again.
• 5:20
  Paul Murray: It's a nice start to a song, but the next version has a bit of Dolly Parton's Jolene in it.
• 5:24
  Paul Murray: But apparently this is empowering.
• 5:25
  Paul Murray: Has she actually read the words that she was singing?
• 5:28
  Megyn Kelly: Can I tell you something Like why do we have to?
• 5:30
  Megyn Kelly: It's fine that they make a queen out of Beyonce.
• 5:33
  Megyn Kelly: I don't totally understand why.
• 5:34
  Megyn Kelly: I mean she's she's a good singer, she's talented, I don't deny that.
• 5:37
  Megyn Kelly: Why does it have to be yes, not a queen?
• 5:42
  Megyn Kelly: People like her music.
• 5:43
  Megyn Kelly: She sings some good music, that's it Okay.
• 5:50
  Megyn Kelly: She didn't cure cancer.
• 5:51
  Megyn Kelly: She's not Marie Curie Calm down.
• 5:51
  Megyn Kelly: So now she decides to take a step into the country lane and it's like country music has been remade.
• 5:54
  Megyn Kelly: It's remade, is it Okay?
• 5:56
  Megyn Kelly: A new player in country music has been around for a long, long time.
• 6:00
  Megyn Kelly: It goes right to the heart of America and most Americans in red states have been loving and enjoying it long before Queen Bey decided to stick her big toe into the lane.
• 6:08
  Megyn Kelly: But fine, okay, she comes over.
• 6:10
  Megyn Kelly: She makes an album which, of course, because she's queen has gotten the thumbs up and the promotion from Michelle Obama, from vice president Kamala Harris, from Paul McCartney, from Dolly Parton herself she's no dummy.
• 6:23
  Megyn Kelly: She called everybody and said I need you to do me this favor and say you love my album, which they did.
• 6:26
  Megyn Kelly: But she takes Jolene, which is such a catchy song by Dolly Parton and Jolene the most interesting thing about that song, in addition to its catchy tune, is the story it tells.
• 6:37
  Megyn Kelly: It tells a story of a very insecure woman who sees another woman who she thinks and strongly believes is much more attractive than she is, with her auburn hair and her green eyes.
• 6:46
  Megyn Kelly: I love the auburn hair line.
• 6:47
  Megyn Kelly: And she knows yeah, well, she knows Jolene can steal her man away.
• 6:50
  Megyn Kelly: Now, this doesn't say good things about her man, but she knows that it could happen and instead of like going over and threatening Jolene, what she does is begs Jolene not to take her man away.
• 7:00
  Megyn Kelly: She begs her saying I know you could do it, but I'm begging you please don't, because for me he's the only guy there is.
• 7:05
  Megyn Kelly: And that's an interesting window into an insecure woman's heart, and it's also kind of clever because she flatters Jolene like it's a smart but insecure woman.
• 7:14
  Megyn Kelly: Anyway, that's the story of the song, or at least it used to be.
• 7:17
  Megyn Kelly: Queen Bey got her hands on the song and God forbid, she sing anything that make her look less than you know, all empowered with the muscle, and so now she's got to change it to.
• 7:26
  Megyn Kelly: If you come by, my man, I'm basically going to beat the hell out of you.
• 7:30
  Paul Murray: I'm going to beat you up Is that right Like take that biatch.
• 7:33
  Megyn Kelly: And she uses the B word in the song and she turned.
• 7:37
  Megyn Kelly: Jolene into her version of a badass, because that's what modern day feminism looks like.
• 7:42
  Megyn Kelly: By the way, completely missing that, the true power move is to write a song about Jolene, not even worrying about this.
• 7:49
  Megyn Kelly: Jolene has no worries because her man loves her and is committed to her and would never cheat on Jolene.
• 7:53
  Megyn Kelly: So the most beautiful woman in the world could come walking by.
• 7:55
  Megyn Kelly: She's good, but Queen Bey doesn't understand that.
• 7:58
  Megyn Kelly: She's got to pretend she's tough, which only telegraphs to those of us who are paying attention that she isn't.
• 8:03
  Megyn Kelly: The whole thing is bass-ackwards and I object.
• 8:06
  Paul Murray: Yeah, also.
• 8:07
  Paul Murray: Look, you know, if this current version, the redoing, ain't doing it for you and the Dolly Parton one is a little bit too old for you, can I play Dolly Locks here for a second?
• 8:15
  Paul Murray: There's a magnificent version that Miley Cyrus did.
• 8:19
  Paul Murray: It's very sort of low-key and she's kept on all of her clothes for most of it.
• 8:22
  Paul Murray: It's a good version of it if you get the chance.
• 8:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so I'm not going to say a word, I'm just going to let Mario start.
• 8:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Where's Rick, where's Rick, rick, rick.
• 8:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry.
• 8:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, I accidentally clicked you off with the thing.
• 8:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I only clicked.
• 8:39
  Maurio Dawson: I'm going to say something real quick.
• 8:45
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, not real quick, go ahead.
• 8:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You got the flow, baby.
• 8:46
  Carmen Lezeth: No, we can't see it or hear it.
• 8:47
  Maurio Dawson: Oh, you can't hear it.
• 8:48
  Carmen Lezeth: No, what are you listening to?
• 8:49
  Carmen Lezeth: It's Dolly P.
• 8:50
  Carmen Lezeth: You know that hussy with the good hair you sing about, reminded me of someone I knew back then, except she has flaming locks of a open hair.
• 8:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Bless her heart.
• 8:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Just a hair of a different color.
• 9:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It hurts, just to say it.
• 9:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the album.
• 9:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead.
• 9:08
  Maurio Dawson: That was Dolly Parton herself on the album Speaking to her.
• 9:13
  Maurio Dawson: She said hey, honey bee, this is Dolly P.
• 9:15
  Maurio Dawson: She said yes.
• 9:17
  Maurio Dawson: She said, basically, this is her giving her kiss, her seal of approval to the remake.
• 9:24
  Maurio Dawson: And then Beyonce never called that woman a bitch.
• 9:28
  Maurio Dawson: She said I'm a bitch.
• 9:29
  Maurio Dawson: She said so, there's a difference.
• 9:32
  Maurio Dawson: And then, on top of it, when you have somebody like Willie Nelson, who she didn't have to call, he could have said no, dolly Parton has been all over social media giving everything she wanted to Beyoncé.
• 9:47
  Maurio Dawson: Then, on top of that, dolly Parton said back in 2022 that she wanted Beyoncé to remake her song, so she asked for this on top of so miss me with that, all that foolishness.
• 10:01
  Maurio Dawson: And then miss me with that idea that country music came from red States.
• 10:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's, let's stop from there, for let's just stop for just for a second.
• 10:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, let me just say what hi Sheila, hi Alma, alma just said she's empowered and is in step with the time.
• 10:15
  Carmen Lezeth: The whole point is to engage the younger generation, and Dolly P gave her the go at it.
• 10:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually think this is a much bigger conversation.
• 10:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually don't think it's about approval from Dolly Parton or changing the lyrics a bit or whatever.
• 10:28
  Carmen Lezeth: First of all, I want to say to Megan what's her name, megan?
• 10:33
  Maurio Dawson: Kelly, Megan Kelly, who got canceled on NBC.
• 10:35
  Maurio Dawson: But let's keep it moving.
• 10:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It's okay.
• 10:37
  Carmen Lezeth: She has a right to her opinion.
• 10:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to say this and then I want Cynthia and Rick to chime in before I go off.
• 10:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, here's my thing about Megyn Kelly and anyone else who is in this kind of nasty place where they're trying to dismiss someone who created a piece of art.
• 10:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It says more about who you are than it does anything at all about Beyonce.
• 11:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce don't need no approval from anybody.
• 11:04
  Carmen Lezeth: She don't need approval from Dolly Parton, from Willie Nelson, from anybody.
• 11:08
  Maurio Dawson: Paul McCartney.
• 11:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Paul McCartney from anybody.
• 11:11
  Carmen Lezeth: And let me just say this the idea that Beyonce had to call them and ask them to help her bullshit.
• 11:18
  Carmen Lezeth: She called them probably to be like hey, I'd love to do this, I'd love to collaborate, blah, blah, blah.
• 11:24
  Carmen Lezeth: But this idea that Beyonce would be begging for some approval is a weird idea of what art is Megyn Kelly?
• 11:32
  Carmen Lezeth: What's her name?
• 11:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Megyn Kelly?
• 11:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Megyn Kelly, I mean, I saw that clip and I was going to send it to you all and I thought nope, let's just play it on the show.
• 11:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It's.
• 11:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I want people to learn from this situation.
• 11:43
  Carmen Lezeth: You can be a better person when you understand nuance.
• 11:47
  TikTok: Yes.
• 11:47
  Carmen Lezeth: These are not black and white.
• 11:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Things are intricate.
• 11:51
  Carmen Lezeth: There is a much bigger issue going on than what Megan Kelly is throwing out there to the public, which is bullshit to get us all riled up.
• 12:00
  Carmen Lezeth: She is so full of shit with what she's talking about it's heart wrenching to me to listen to and that's why I played it.
• 12:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi Ash, how are you?
• 12:09
  Carmen Lezeth: And Ash, I want to say something to Ash.
• 12:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Ash wrote on YouTube, on one of our videos, that she's so glad that we don't talk about race, and I told her today do not come on here.
• 12:20
  Maurio Dawson: It's a race kind of day.
• 12:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So, cynthia and Rick, before I keep going on, I'd love to get you guys to chime in.
• 12:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, I wonder what your thoughts are.
• 12:29
  Cynthia Ruiz: Oh yeah, she's definitely hating.
• 12:31
  Cynthia Ruiz: First of all, like from the back.
• 12:33
  Cynthia Ruiz: She's hating on Beyonce, whether she calls herself a queen or not.
• 12:37
  Cynthia Ruiz: Who is she to say that she can't call herself a queen or that anybody else calls her a queen?
• 12:40
  Cynthia Ruiz: She is a queen in her own right.
• 12:46
  Cynthia Ruiz: She has worked her ass off and dolly parton gave her.
• 12:48
  Cynthia Ruiz: Okay, I'm not a fan of this of the song jolene, but you know that that's my choice, that's.
• 12:52
  Cynthia Ruiz: You know, my opinion.
• 12:53
  Cynthia Ruiz: Everyone has the difference.
• 12:54
  Cynthia Ruiz: That's not my favorite song on the album either, by the way.
• 12:56
  Cynthia Ruiz: Yeah, you know um and she didn't even.
• 13:00
  Cynthia Ruiz: this megan person didn't even get it right, because jolene is actually the person who's trying to take the man, trying to take Dolly Parton's man, and she was referring to her as if she was the person who had the man.
• 13:11
  Cynthia Ruiz: So she couldn't even get her facts straight.
• 13:15
  Carmen Lezeth: This is all about hate, right?
• 13:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all about yeah, yeah, rick thoughts.
• 13:20
  Rick Costa: Well, my first impression was we are taking up television time to talk about what you feel about a song.
• 13:26
  Rick Costa: Ok, that's what we're doing, all right, like you can't talk like that with your friends.
• 13:30
  Rick Costa: You got to go on national international TV to talk about a song that you personally don't care about.
• 13:35
  Rick Costa: Like, if I came on and talked about everything I don't care about, we'd be here forever.
• 13:38
  Rick Costa: Like that's what we're doing with our valuable time.
• 13:40
  Rick Costa: I don't know.
• 13:41
  Rick Costa: I listened to the song, listen to the whole thing, actually the whole album, um, and I was like, all right now jolene's, the only one I know.
• 13:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I know rick is really low rick, why are you so low today?
• 13:50
  Carmen Lezeth: And your mic I don't see if I could I just, I tried to raise you over here, but I think you're talking awfully go ahead.
• 13:55
  Rick Costa: Is this better?
• 13:56
  Rick Costa: I just jacked it up yeah, go ahead.
• 13:57
  Rick Costa: I think it's better go ahead, let's so um jolene's, the only one I was familiar with at all.
• 14:01
  Rick Costa: So I was like all right, let's see what Beyonce does with it.
• 14:03
  Rick Costa: And I was like, okay, it's all right, like if you're going to do a song that's super popular, like that, I'm like I'm expecting, like to be wowed, and it was all right.
• 14:15
  Rick Costa: So I picked two songs that I did, like Texas Hold'em and Most Wanted, which I think had Miley Cyrus sound in it.
• 14:20
  Rick Costa: Those were, those were the only two that I was like, oh, I could kind of jam with this, but the rest I was like well go ahead.
• 14:25
  Rick Costa: I was going to say Jolene, I was like I was expecting more, not saying it was bad, but just was expecting more, especially because it's Beyonce.
• 14:33
  Rick Costa: You know she has a beautiful voice.
• 14:34
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, ashley exactly, ashley, she does the thing is, she also remade Blackbird.
• 14:40
  Maurio Dawson: I don't know if you know.
• 14:42
  Maurio Dawson: Blackbird is a very poignant song which was written by Paul McCartney and if you know the history of the song, the history of the song is based upon the Little Rock Nine, who actually were the first integrated kids in Arkansas.
• 14:56
  Maurio Dawson: But he was over in the UK seeing all the hate and the racism that was going on towards these kids and he wrote a song about the Little Rock Nine and that's really what that song is based upon.
• 15:07
  Maurio Dawson: So for him to again, her rendition is actually very beautiful because it's a solemn song.
• 15:16
  Maurio Dawson: It's not a upbeat song.
• 15:18
  Maurio Dawson: Blackbird is actually a very sad song and it's country, but to me it's's more folk.
• 15:24
  Maurio Dawson: But folk and country can interchange.
• 15:29
  Maurio Dawson: But I thought Herbendition was done very well.
• 15:33
  Maurio Dawson: And then also she's taking this opportunity to expose us to a lot of other African American country artists that I was not aware of, like Tanner Bell one.
• 15:44
  Maurio Dawson: Willie Jones was another one I was not aware of.
• 15:45
  Maurio Dawson: Tanner Bell is one, willie Jones was another one.
• 15:46
  Maurio Dawson: I was not familiar with their music but because I was able to listen to this and say, okay, who is that?
• 15:51
  Maurio Dawson: I went and Googled them and like, oh, okay, I can get into it.
• 15:56
  Maurio Dawson: Because I personally am not a fan of country music in general, because it just-.
• 16:02
  Carmen Lezeth: The twang, it's the twang, it's the twang and some people twang, it's the twang.
• 16:05
  Maurio Dawson: And some people say country music is storytelling.
• 16:07
  Maurio Dawson: Well, our music is storytelling.
• 16:08
  Maurio Dawson: Yes, everyone has a story.
• 16:10
  Maurio Dawson: It's just how it's delivered and depicted and there's and I believe there's a right way and a wrong way to deliver music.
• 16:15
  Maurio Dawson: You know, every other word doesn't have to be.
• 16:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait.
• 16:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Can I just intervene?
• 16:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's that there's a right and wrong way for you as an individual.
• 16:22
  Carmen Lezeth: To receive it Right to receive it.
• 16:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, let's just be clear Because I love rap, so do I.
• 16:26
  Carmen Lezeth: A lot of people can't handle rap because they can't receive it.
• 16:29
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not their thing.
• 16:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel the same way with you about country, but I just want to make sure that we don't want to degrade art.
• 16:33
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no.
• 16:38
  Maurio Dawson: I'm not, yeah, I just.
• 16:39
  Maurio Dawson: If you listen to this country album, it's not really a country album.
• 16:44
  Maurio Dawson: And then Beyonce.
• 16:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Didn't Beyonce say that it wasn't a country album?
• 16:47
  Maurio Dawson: She said it's not a country album.
• 16:49
  Maurio Dawson: She said it's a Beyonce album.
• 16:50
  Maurio Dawson: That's right.
• 16:51
  Maurio Dawson: There you go.
• 16:55
  Maurio Dawson: But because all of this controversy and all of this stemmed from when she went on the Country Music Awards, the CMAs, with the Chicks and at the time the the chicks were blacklisted and she brought them out and she performed with them and people were all in an uproar.
• 17:11
  Maurio Dawson: People are walking out during our performance and protest, you know, because wait but, mario, let's talk about what that really is and look at.
• 17:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I understand that we don't normally talk about politics and race on this show and I talked about that in my latest podcast, but there are going to be times when we need to talk about it and as long as we do it respectfully and kindly and respect, I'm okay with it.
• 17:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But it's not our everyday thing.
• 17:32
  Carmen Lezeth: But why do you believe that the album that came out stemmed from that performance?
• 17:39
  Carmen Lezeth: On this, I kept saying the CMTs, but the CMAs what's your thought process on that?
• 17:46
  Maurio Dawson: Well, that's layered.
• 17:47
  Maurio Dawson: I know there was some controversy with the chicks at the time and they were an issue within themselves, right.
• 17:55
  Maurio Dawson: And then Beyonce has been pigeonholed into a category of an R&B singer or whatever, and she's quote, unquote, not country.
• 18:05
  Maurio Dawson: So that was a second part of this.
• 18:09
  Maurio Dawson: I don't want to say it's because she's a Black woman.
• 18:14
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what and you know what I'm going to say it.
• 18:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to say it.
• 18:17
  Maurio Dawson: So I am, I'm going to say it, I'm sorry, well the only reason I'm trying not to say that is because I don't want to be disrespectful to the other Black artists who are country artists.
• 18:25
  Maurio Dawson: But here's the thing I wouldn't, but I disagree with you.
• 18:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Look it, and I'm not going to fight with you.
• 18:31
  Maurio Dawson: No no.
• 18:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's my feeling.
• 18:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't even know Other than Hootie and the Blowfish guy whose name I still don't know.
• 18:36
  Maurio Dawson: Darius Rucker.
• 18:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Darius Rucker, I black country person except that Beyonce just turned around.
• 18:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, but they're not so fantastical that I know them.
• 18:48
  Maurio Dawson: No.
• 18:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know them.
• 18:49
  Carmen Lezeth: So why is that?
• 18:52
  Carmen Lezeth: What is the layering of this situation that we as a public are just finding out about some of these artists who happen to be black?
• 19:01
  Carmen Lezeth: And, by the way, I didn't know until Beyonce's album that country music started in the African-American community in slavery times.
• 19:13
  Maurio Dawson: It came from Africa In.
• 19:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Africa.
• 19:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It came over right the whole banjo conversation.
• 19:18
  Carmen Lezeth: And here's what I'm trying to say to white people and I'm saying white people, I know, I know this is know.
• 19:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I know this is painful.
• 19:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I know this is painful when we are just learning new things, when we are understanding and having the ability to be smarter about where things originated.
• 19:35
  Carmen Lezeth: We should embrace that, not push it away.
• 19:38
  Carmen Lezeth: This is a fact, this is not hearsay, this is not pretend.
• 19:43
  Carmen Lezeth: This is a fact, this is not hearsay, this is not pretend.
• 19:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And I am angry that I keep having to learn new things about my country.
• 19:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I am angry about you should be angry about it too.
• 19:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You should be angry that you don't know this about country music.
• 19:59
  Maurio Dawson: Go ahead.
• 19:59
  Maurio Dawson: I mean, it's country music as a whole.
• 20:02
  Maurio Dawson: It's just not my.
• 20:02
  Maurio Dawson: It will never probably be my favorite genre, but I'm open to learning more about it, only because of the of the um, the artists that I'm discovering through this, and it's opened my eyes to the different forms of country music.
• 20:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not just I know, but just because people are black and I have to like their music, wait, wait, wait.
• 20:23
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm just gonna say just because black people are doing country music doesn't mean I have to like it.
• 20:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I had a conversation with billy, my brother from another mother, and he was like all up in arms about beyonce, beyonce, this beyonce, that, and I was like lemonade, like I'm a huge lemonade fan.
• 20:37
  Carmen Lezeth: That's one of her albums.
• 20:38
  Carmen Lezeth: If you don't know, she's had eight albums, okay, like full-on amazing albums, and my favorite is lemonade.
• 20:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And what I was saying to him, because he's you were mad, weren't you?
• 20:47
  Maurio Dawson: you had you said you was angry.
• 20:48
  Maurio Dawson: You know angry chick if you like lemonade.
• 20:55
  Maurio Dawson: You was mad, it was an angry album.
• 20:57
  Carmen Lezeth: It was so good, it was so amazingly done and it was so the the.
• 21:01
  Carmen Lezeth: The thing about beyonce is she's so layered, she's so intricate in how she presents her music.
• 21:09
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm going to say this and piss a lot of people off, but Prince is the only other artist that I think can get at my heart in the same way that Beyonce, and Beyonce isn't one of my favorite artists.
• 21:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not a Beyonce-like crazy person, but when I listen to Beyonce's entire albums and I do because I respect her I think she's amazing.
• 21:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm shook by her ability to write and sing and put together something and her fashion.
• 21:34
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all of it.
• 21:36
  Carmen Lezeth: She is a genius artist.
• 21:39
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah.
• 21:40
  Carmen Lezeth: And the idea that someone like Megan Kelly or whatever Kelly, whatever the fuck her name is can't call her a queen.
• 21:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Nobody's calling her a motherfucking queen, like Beyonce isn't walking around calling herself a motherfucking queen.
• 21:51
  Maurio Dawson: No, she doesn't.
• 21:51
  Carmen Lezeth: We call people queens because we revere them.
• 21:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Like that's the weird thing about the Megan Kelly thing?
• 21:57
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like girl, you don't even get what queen means.
• 22:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Bitch, why are you even talking about it?
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't even get.
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: It means bitch, why are you even talking about it?
• 22:03
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't even get it.
• 22:03
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not even a black thing.
• 22:05
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't even get the honor in it.
• 22:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Bitch, you don't get it.
• 22:09
  Carmen Lezeth: What am I missing in the laughter?
• 22:12
  Carmen Lezeth: No, it's because you're going hard.
• 22:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not even going off, okay, I'm just saying I'm not a country person, music fan at all.
• 22:23
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't like the twang.
• 22:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Texas Hold'em was interesting.
• 22:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I love this album because of the controversy and the artistry and the brilliance of it and the reasoning and the beauty of it.
• 22:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Come on, that is something.
• 22:36
  Carmen Lezeth: That is art, baby, that is art that is beautiful.
• 22:38
  Maurio Dawson: Well, you know what we're talking about it.
• 22:40
  Maurio Dawson: Art is discussed Whether you like, like, like Rick likes Texas, hold' about it.
• 22:47
  Maurio Dawson: And artists discussed whether you like, like, like rick likes texas, hold them.
• 22:48
  Maurio Dawson: And he likes uh, was it two most wanted, right, most fun?
• 22:49
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, two most wanted, but see, those are two songs that he hadn't, he wouldn't have thought about liking before you understand what I'm saying.
• 22:55
  Maurio Dawson: So you know it's.
• 22:56
  Maurio Dawson: It's still exposing and, because we're having conversations, probably you exposed yourself to something you probably wouldn't normally listen to.
• 23:02
  Maurio Dawson: Right, rick, right, right, but it's also, art is discussion.
• 23:07
  Maurio Dawson: You can appreciate it.
• 23:08
  Maurio Dawson: Appreciation.
• 23:09
  Maurio Dawson: It's agreeing, it's disagreeing.
• 23:11
  Maurio Dawson: It sparks conversation, it sparks thought.
• 23:14
  Maurio Dawson: That's the purpose of art.
• 23:15
  Carmen Lezeth: That's art, that's art.
• 23:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me just say hi to Brian, hi, brian, hey, brian Ghosttown's album First, first, last time is really good.
• 23:26
  Maurio Dawson: What's ghost towns album I?
• 23:27
  Carmen Lezeth: don't know what that is.
• 23:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Ghost towns is the name of a group.
• 23:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh okay, I didn't know that.
• 23:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, but hi, brian, thank you for stopping by and ash love you.
• 23:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, right off the hop she's come out rocking who she is exactly.
• 23:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, I love that.
• 23:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia rick.
• 23:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry we're in the mic, but please, that's right.
• 23:41
  Cynthia Ruiz: I mean I listen to some country.
• 23:43
  Cynthia Ruiz: It's like it's not my go to music, but I do appreciate it.
• 23:47
  Cynthia Ruiz: I listen to all kinds of music.
• 23:49
  Cynthia Ruiz: My Pandora has all kinds of music.
• 23:52
  Cynthia Ruiz: Like you said, carmen, beyonce is not my top artist, but I can appreciate her music ok, wait, wait, wait.
• 24:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I just want to be clear.
• 24:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I love Beyonce.
• 24:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I do, too.
• 24:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I love her.
• 24:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I love her as an artist, as an art, I revere her.
• 24:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I just want to be clear.
• 24:14
  Carmen Lezeth: This album is not my favorite.
• 24:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I listened to it from beginning to end and I enjoyed some of the songs, but I'm a little.
• 24:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Not for me, but it's white people and country music.
• 24:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm laughing little.
• 24:25
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not a banger, but you know it's not for me, but but it's white people in country music I'm laughing my ass off.
• 24:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm freaked out about it.
• 24:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, cynthia, I'm sorry.
• 24:30
  Cynthia Ruiz: The Texas hold them song just kind of reminds me of another line dance song like the cha-cha slide or, you know, the Cupid shuffle.
• 24:37
  Rick Costa: That's all it reminds me of, yeah rick uh, kind of going along with what mario said.
• 24:44
  Rick Costa: When you see people going to a place where they feature art, they don't just look at it, they discuss, they talk about it.
• 24:51
  Rick Costa: This is what I see and this is what I.
• 24:53
  Rick Costa: This makes me feel this way.
• 24:54
  Rick Costa: And art, that is exactly right, what he says, exactly right.
• 24:57
  Rick Costa: You discuss it, you talk about it and you, your point of view could be completely different.
• 25:00
  Rick Costa: You see something I don't see and I'm like I don't see, but they see that and you can't say you're wrong.
• 25:04
  Rick Costa: That's not what you, you know.
• 25:06
  Rick Costa: You see it differently, you have a different perspective.
• 25:08
  Rick Costa: So to say somebody's wrong is just ridiculous.
• 25:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Mario, what is your feeling?
• 25:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I know that you're nicer than I am, but this whole queen conversation really pissed me off.
• 25:21
  Maurio Dawson: I mean.
• 25:22
  Maurio Dawson: Well, you know what, in music they give everybody a title Prince was Prince.
• 25:25
  Maurio Dawson: They call Patti LaBelle the godmother of soul.
• 25:28
  Maurio Dawson: They call Aretha the no, but we use queen pretty liberally.
• 25:31
  Maurio Dawson: They call Aretha, frankly, the queen of soul, right.
• 25:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, but the word queen is pretty usable.
• 25:39
  Maurio Dawson: It's being revered as the top of something.
• 25:41
  Maurio Dawson: You understand what I'm saying.
• 25:42
  Maurio Dawson: It's not that she is a literal queen.
• 25:44
  Maurio Dawson: She is at the top of her game, okay, but can I, can, I, can I Say it, say it I'm going to say it.
• 25:51
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why Megyn Kelly is all over all like you know, her clutching her pearls and panties in a bunch is a fucking jealousy thing that I can't understand.
• 26:02
  Carmen Lezeth: With white people Like white people, like white women and I know, I know I'm a lose followers and shit.
• 26:07
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all good, but because I can't be who I'm not, I can't do it.
• 26:12
  Carmen Lezeth: No, why would you be so upset and angry about somebody being called a queen?
• 26:19
  Carmen Lezeth: A queen is an honor.
• 26:21
  Carmen Lezeth: It is something that we bestow on somebody that we respect and feel has done something brilliant and amazing.
• 26:28
  Carmen Lezeth: And the fact that, man, if I knew Megyn Kelly, I swear to God I would sit down and have a conversation with her.
• 26:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Like bitch, you just made yourself look so motherfucking stupid.
• 26:36
  Maurio Dawson: But not to her base, I know, but her base.
• 26:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but here's the thing.
• 26:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the thing I'm done with her base, because her base is part of my country and I still have faith in the people in my country that they are good and decent human beings and they understand nuance.
• 26:53
  Carmen Lezeth: They do.
• 26:54
  Carmen Lezeth: We keep thinking that these people are stupid as fuck and that's why Megan is doing what she's doing.
• 26:58
  Maurio Dawson: Brian, you're right.
• 26:59
  Maurio Dawson: Calling anyone royal title is just a sign of respect.
• 27:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Brian exactly.
• 27:03
  Maurio Dawson: You get it.
• 27:05
  Carmen Lezeth: He gets it.
• 27:05
  Carmen Lezeth: He's in Texas, he gets it.
• 27:07
  Maurio Dawson: That's what you mean.
• 27:10
  Carmen Lezeth: But that's what I'm saying.
• 27:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so angry with her for doing that, for doing that whole video.
• 27:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, Rick, can you put up that TikTok?
• 27:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have the TikToks as well?
• 27:19
  Maurio Dawson: Oh, I can bring it up yeah, in the meantime, what did they call Michael Jackson?
• 27:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't remember, but the king of pop, okay, but I think that's a different thing.
• 27:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 27:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's be honest.
• 27:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's be honest.
• 27:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Calling someone the king of pop is different than we call people queen.
• 27:37
  Carmen Lezeth: What I felt was happening with Megyn Kelly was she was upset with the terminology of queen.
• 27:43
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 27:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Like that's what I heard from that whole clip.
• 27:47
  Maurio Dawson: She was bothered by it, because we call queen.
• 27:50
  Carmen Lezeth: We call different people queen at different times because it's something they've done.
• 27:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That is an elevated state.
• 27:55
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a black thing.
• 27:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it is a black thing.
• 27:59
  Carmen Lezeth: And again, it's not that I want to get into racism, but you know what I don't want to do on my podcast or who I am.
• 28:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to pretend that things don't exist.
• 28:09
  Maurio Dawson: No, okay, let's turn it on its head.
• 28:12
  Maurio Dawson: What brought you joy from the album?
• 28:14
  Maurio Dawson: We know what brought Rick joy.
• 28:16
  Maurio Dawson: What brought you joy?
• 28:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, can I go first, you go first.
• 28:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, no-transcript was saying this whole kind of idea that she didn't have no right to.
• 28:55
  Carmen Lezeth: She's not really country, she ain't got no right to do this song and blah blah.
• 28:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But in the same breath, in the same interview, as being like oh right, shania twain when she did that song and popped out, was fine, right like so my joy in this album is that it's making us have the conversations and I have faith I do.
• 29:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I have faith in white people.
• 29:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I have faith in the american people, and of white people specifically during this time, to understand motherfucking nuance and understand a history, even if they're, at first, you know, being defensive.
• 29:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at Mario's diet.
• 29:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, I know I'm losing people, but I also think I have to be who.
• 29:32
  Maurio Dawson: I am Show, show, bang bang, you know.
• 29:36
  Carmen Lezeth: We're about to put a Zoom call by ourselves.
• 29:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm good, but listen, I do.
• 29:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I have faith in people that they understand the layers of things.
• 29:45
  Carmen Lezeth: This is bullshit, come on.
• 29:47
  Maurio Dawson: Oh, come on, Alma, you better say it for the people in the back.
• 29:49
  Maurio Dawson: She said John Schneider, it was okay when you're taking Tyler Perry's money, boom, that's right, he was being paid by a black man and it was all good.
• 29:57
  Carmen Lezeth: But now, you know, that's right.
• 29:58
  Maurio Dawson: Go ahead.
• 29:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Alma Say it for the people in the back, that's my wife Come on.
• 30:03
  Cynthia Ruiz: That's my wife.
• 30:04
  Cynthia Ruiz: What brought me joy was basically you know that Dolly Parton gave her a stamp of approval.
• 30:10
  Cynthia Ruiz: You're mixing black and white right there.
• 30:15
  Maurio Dawson: So, what is the?
• 30:16
  Carmen Lezeth: problem.
• 30:16
  Carmen Lezeth: That's it.
• 30:16
  Carmen Lezeth: And if Dolly Parton gets it, I don't understand why we don't have faith in the rest of America to get it.
• 30:24
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, let me read what Ashton said we should be encouraging each other as they branch out and show their range, not deterring people from wanting to show their abilities.
• 30:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Exactly Brian just said you'll be mind-blowing when you see my music playlist.
• 30:38
  Carmen Lezeth: You won't be able to keep up.
• 30:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, Challenge accepted.
• 30:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yaya brings me joy.
• 30:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I love Yaya.
• 30:43
  Cynthia Ruiz: That's why I'm here.
• 30:44
  Cynthia Ruiz: Can I just tell you about Yaya?
• 30:45
  Cynthia Ruiz: I heard that song and I felt like I was in church.
• 30:47
  Cynthia Ruiz: I was like I was going with it.
• 30:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey Sweet Pea, Bye, Sweet Pea.
• 30:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Love you, Rick thoughts.
• 30:57
  Rick Costa: I told you already.
• 30:58
  Rick Costa: I said the Texas Hold'em.
• 30:59
  Rick Costa: I can jam with that.
• 31:00
  Rick Costa: And then the Miley Cyrus one.
• 31:01
  Rick Costa: What was it?
• 31:02
  Rick Costa: Two Most Wanted.
• 31:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I wrote it down, so I don't forget, I love that one too.
• 31:04
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a good one.
• 31:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Miley Cyrus is brilliant.
• 31:06
  Rick Costa: I love good harmony, yes, and they harmonize together very, very well.
• 31:09
  Rick Costa: And I didn't know, I heard a different voice.
• 31:12
  Rick Costa: I was like I think I know that voice.
• 31:14
  Rick Costa: I was like that's Miley Cyrus.
• 31:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's and kind of this album in general and how it's affecting people in the country.
• 31:33
  Rick Costa: Genre well, I agree with you about the whole.
• 31:35
  Rick Costa: Sounds like she kind of jealous.
• 31:37
  Rick Costa: Oh, why would you say that?
• 31:39
  Rick Costa: Like, why do you have a problem with calling somebody queen?
• 31:41
  Rick Costa: Like you know, when somebody excels at something, it's something that people do, you know.
• 31:45
  Rick Costa: Or if you're at an event and somebody's like, yeah, it's queen, like where they use that as well, but um, but yeah, when somebody's excelling at something, it's not unusual to call somebody a queen or a king, like you know.
• 31:57
  Rick Costa: So if you just go out in the street and be like famous female black singer, I bet you more people are not gonna say beyonce no you don't think so no, do you guys?
• 32:07
  Maurio Dawson: did you guys know?
• 32:08
  Maurio Dawson: I bet you, none of us, me included, I didn't know who linda martell was.
• 32:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, know who Linda Martell is.
• 32:14
  Maurio Dawson: Linda Martell is the first Black woman ever to play at the Grand Ole Opry.
• 32:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I do know her name, you're right.
• 32:22
  Maurio Dawson: And if you listen to the album she's in several of the interludes on this Cowboy Cotter album and I was like who is Linda Martell?
• 32:30
  Maurio Dawson: And again went to go look her up and mine was blown.
• 32:34
  Maurio Dawson: I'm like, oh wow, that's history right there.
• 32:36
  Maurio Dawson: And then the other thing is there's the interlude with Willie Nelson, which I think is hilarious.
• 32:42
  Maurio Dawson: Yes, it is great he's playing the DJ.
• 32:44
  Maurio Dawson: Yes, he says.
• 32:47
  Maurio Dawson: If there's one thing you can take away from our set today, let it be this.
• 32:50
  Maurio Dawson: Sometimes you can take away from our set today, Let it be this.
• 32:54
  Maurio Dawson: Sometimes you don't know what you like and then someone you trust turns you on to some real good shit, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I'm here.
• 33:00
  Maurio Dawson: He said up next on the Smoke Hour is Just For Fun.
• 33:04
  TikTok: Yes.
• 33:06
  Maurio Dawson: So I mean, like come on now, he said sometimes you don't know until somebody introduces you to it.
• 33:10
  Maurio Dawson: And that's what she really kind of did.
• 33:12
  Maurio Dawson: That kind of summarized this album for me.
• 33:15
  Maurio Dawson: She really introduced me to a lot of people I just would have never heard of, and I think it's dope.
• 33:20
  Carmen Lezeth: And can I say this this is again a little bit on the negative, but I feel it in my heart to share we revere people when they die, and what I mean by people is I mean Black people.
• 33:30
  Carmen Lezeth: So people die, and what I mean by people is I mean black people.
• 33:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So people in the white community are all about muhammad ali.
• 33:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, muhammad ali is amazing, he's great, whatever, but they forget.
• 33:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Cassius clay, who became muhammad ali, was hated because he wouldn't go into war, he wouldn't be going to the military, and he was vilified.
• 33:46
  Carmen Lezeth: We do the same thing with martin, and when I say we, I'm talking about white people.
• 33:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, like like we not me y'all'all hated Martin Luther King when he was alive and I don't mean you personally, I mean white folk hated him because of what he was doing.
• 33:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But now that he's dead, we all up in Martin Luther King Jr's business.
• 34:04
  Carmen Lezeth: He was the savior of-.
• 34:06
  Maurio Dawson: But they really aren't that into him anyway, because all they know is the I have a dream speech.
• 34:10
  Carmen Lezeth: They have no exactly history of what that man persevered and did, so let's exactly, exactly, and I don't want to say all white people, but I'm trying to give you information right now, like what we need to do is revere people while they are alive and stop accidentally because I think it's accidental.
• 34:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think people are trying to be racist on purpose, but when you are vil, vilifying Beyonce, I don't care if you don't like her music.
• 34:38
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't need to like her music.
• 34:39
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't need to respect or even enjoy anything that she does.
• 34:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I could care less about most country music, but when you turn around and are evil and you don't see the nuance and you dismiss her, that's when I have a problem.
• 34:56
  Carmen Lezeth: That's when I have a problem.
• 34:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You cannot turn around and say that she has no right to be in country music without knowing the history of country music.
• 35:04
  Carmen Lezeth: But let's just even make it smaller than that, because I didn't even know the history of country music until her album came out.
• 35:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's make it simpler.
• 35:11
  Carmen Lezeth: You can't do that.
• 35:12
  Carmen Lezeth: And then be okay with all of the country artists.
• 35:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Taylor swift is another one, shania twain there are all of these artists who came from country music and planting themselves into other genres and make millions of dollars can't be a hypocrite.
• 35:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Is what I'm saying yeah, mcgrath and nelly who tim mcgr, country singer.
• 35:33
  Cynthia Ruiz: He made a song with Nelly.
• 35:34
  Maurio Dawson: He made a song with Nelly, that's right.
• 35:35
  Maurio Dawson: He sure did.
• 35:36
  Cynthia Ruiz: Yep.
• 35:38
  Maurio Dawson: But Nelly also did another country song with another group, right it was.
• 35:44
  Maurio Dawson: He had two country hits which he was the first rapper to do that before.
• 35:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the funny part.
• 35:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know enough country music people to even be saying it, but we know the people that made it in pop music, you know in hip hop or whatever it is.
• 36:00
  Maurio Dawson: Here's the perfect example of the, the, the roles being reversed.
• 36:03
  Maurio Dawson: What's her name?
• 36:05
  Maurio Dawson: Maren Morris.
• 36:06
  Maurio Dawson: She started out.
• 36:07
  Maurio Dawson: She's Maren Morris.
• 36:09
  Maurio Dawson: She had a song with that.
• 36:10
  Maurio Dawson: She had with Alicia Keys, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, meet me in the middle, right, that was an R&B.
• 36:16
  Maurio Dawson: That came out as an R&B song but people didn't have any problems.
• 36:20
  Maurio Dawson: When she went right over in the country and she became you know, and he said Cowboy Troy was accepting it.
• 36:26
  Maurio Dawson: I don't know who is Cowboy Troy, you want?
• 36:30
  Carmen Lezeth: we need music.
• 36:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell us the song, because we don't know who.
• 36:32
  Maurio Dawson: Cowboy.
• 36:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Troy is.
• 36:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me google him because I don't.
• 36:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Is Cowboy Troy?
• 36:33
  Carmen Lezeth: We need music.
• 36:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell us the song, because we don't know who Cowboy Troy is.
• 36:34
  Maurio Dawson: Let me Google him, because I don't know.
• 36:35
  Rick Costa: Cowboy Troy, oh he's a black guy.
• 36:37
  Rick Costa: Okay, she must have heard us talking about Prince.
• 36:41
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I was on TikTok and Toby was live and I went on her live for a minute.
• 36:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I was at work and her and Tony were on.
• 36:47
  Carmen Lezeth: They were talking and I just need to see.
• 36:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Toby is a very beautiful woman, gorgeous woman.
• 36:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what are you showing us, mario?
• 36:55
  Maurio Dawson: Because of my screen.
• 36:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, and what about Cowboy Troy?
• 37:00
  Maurio Dawson: He said Brian says he's accepted in the country music.
• 37:02
  Carmen Lezeth: But why wouldn't he be?
• 37:03
  Carmen Lezeth: It seems like a lot of black artists are.
• 37:05
  Maurio Dawson: I mean, there are a lot of black artists out there.
• 37:08
  Carmen Lezeth: But is his point that Cowboy Troy was somebody in other genres?
• 37:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Because I've never heard of him, but not that I'm the music aficionado.
• 37:15
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, and there's another young man.
• 37:18
  Maurio Dawson: He was just on Dancing with the Stars.
• 37:20
  Maurio Dawson: He's a cowboy.
• 37:21
  Maurio Dawson: He's a Black country artist, kay Brown.
• 37:24
  Maurio Dawson: Huh, kay Brown.
• 37:26
  Maurio Dawson: Kay Brown didn't know he was Black until he was almost an adult.
• 37:31
  Maurio Dawson: So let's start there.
• 37:32
  Maurio Dawson: I'm just going to start right there.
• 37:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia, you see, I'm drinking my.
• 37:41
  Rick Costa: You made me think of the skate with the guy going into KKK.
• 37:43
  Maurio Dawson: That was black and he was like I mean the King Brown said that himself, it's not that I'm making that up.
• 37:49
  Maurio Dawson: He said he didn't know he was black.
• 37:51
  Maurio Dawson: I swear by hand to.
• 37:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Jesus.
• 37:55
  Carmen Lezeth: That's okay.
• 37:55
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the world I hope we live in someday where color is just another thing like our color.
• 37:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But we are not there yet.
• 38:00
  Carmen Lezeth: That's the problem.
• 38:01
  Carmen Lezeth: We are not there yet, people.
• 38:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, we are not there yet.
• 38:04
  Rick Costa: Color matters right now, so I saw something really, really funny um, yesterday.
• 38:08
  Rick Costa: Matter of fact, I just came on my feed for some reason.
• 38:09
  Rick Costa: It was a black comedian and he goes you know what, what, what if the roles were reversed?
• 38:14
  Rick Costa: What if it was the white people that were the slaves?
• 38:17
  Rick Costa: What, what, what kind of, what kind of spirituals would they have, can you imagine?
• 38:20
  Rick Costa: So he starts going like just a small town girl living in a lonely world.
• 38:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I was dying, it was so funny can you segue into showing the um the talk of you want both the second one yeah, show the second one, because that's kind of funny.
• 38:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I guess we could show both, but show the second one first chicken with the train, okay I thought it was relevant I don't know I don't see.
• 38:45
  Cynthia Ruiz: The name of the song is cracking me up yeah, right hiccup.
• 38:50
  Maurio Dawson: Oh, I saw this one, yeah.
• 38:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I said this to everyone, right.
• 38:53
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:54
  Rick Costa: Let me go ahead.
• 38:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah go ahead.
• 38:57
  TikTok: Jolie, jolie, jolie, bitch Jolie, I'm one of your girl.
• 39:02
  TikTok: Yeah, best to not cover my man.
• 39:04
  TikTok: Bitch, jolie, jolie, Jolie, jolie.
• 39:09
  TikTok: I'm making it clear so you can understand.
• 39:14
  TikTok: Bitch, I see you there with your thin blonde hair.
• 39:17
  TikTok: I'm going to whip your ass from here to there If you ever say hello to my man again.
• 39:21
  TikTok: I know my man is fine as hell, but that is mine.
• 39:25
  TikTok: Bitch, can't you tell you don't compete, so you can't compare.
• 39:28
  TikTok: You don't even got no derriere.
• 39:30
  TikTok: I'm that booty.
• 39:31
  TikTok: One more time, Let me tell you one thing about me I'm a Louisiana, texas, banshee, creole bitch and I'ma beat your ass if you talking shit.
• 39:39
  TikTok: Hold up, jay, hold up, jay.
• 39:41
  TikTok: Hold my earrings.
• 39:49
  Maurio Dawson: Now my dude.
• 39:51
  Cynthia Ruiz: Okay, so maybe this was the version that Megyn Kelly was talking about.
• 39:55
  Maurio Dawson: Right For those who are listening to us and can't see us.
• 39:59
  Maurio Dawson: It says what white people are hearing, what they hear when they hear Beyonce's version of Joe.
• 40:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it was so funny.
• 40:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Can I just tell you I was crying.
• 40:08
  Carmen Lezeth: It was so funny because it's like that's not what I heard, but I could.
• 40:13
  Maurio Dawson: But that's what they're hearing.
• 40:14
  Maurio Dawson: I'm like I didn't hear that.
• 40:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but wait, wait.
• 40:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Can we have a nuanced conversation?
• 40:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think that it's possible that white folk it's just hard to be in a situation where they're constantly being told now that things are different than what they're used to understanding.
• 40:32
  Carmen Lezeth: We can lie about our history.
• 40:34
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 40:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, what do you think about that?
• 40:38
  Maurio Dawson: The word purist comes to mind, and that goes on.
• 40:42
  Carmen Lezeth: So many different levels You're going to have to explain that.
• 40:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I need you to explain it.
• 40:47
  Maurio Dawson: Purist can go to the people who believe in the sanctity of the original of something, whereas they'll say, oh, I'm a purist when it comes to country music, or I'm a purist when it comes to R&B, where only they believe certain people fit into a category.
• 41:02
  Maurio Dawson: I'm a purist when it comes to race, when I'm a purist when it comes to people don't believe in mixing races, they're purists.
• 41:11
  Maurio Dawson: They don't believe in the evolution or developing new ideas because they are stuck in a way of things, the way things they believe they should be.
• 41:23
  Maurio Dawson: Does that make sense?
• 41:25
  Carmen Lezeth: You're saying that country music, people are saying that they're purists, because you can only be country music if you are what White.
• 41:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I just want to make sure we're on the same page that they're purists, because you can only be country music if you are what white.
• 41:34
  Maurio Dawson: Okay, I just want to make sure we're on the same page yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean it's just what it is, because I mean but.
• 41:39
  Maurio Dawson: But, like brian said, most people of all generations are scared of change all ethnicities, and that's and that's very true, brian, because they're, you know, just like you know, not to get into race anymore than we've already done today.
• 41:51
  Maurio Dawson: But you know, people have.
• 41:58
  Maurio Dawson: They have.
• 41:59
  Maurio Dawson: I still get looks.
• 41:59
  Maurio Dawson: I've been with my wife for 30 years but I still get looks.
• 42:01
  Maurio Dawson: You know what I'm saying To me.
• 42:02
  Maurio Dawson: I don't care anymore, I don't see it anymore.
• 42:03
  Maurio Dawson: But people, people of Hispanic race, get pissed off.
• 42:07
  Maurio Dawson: People who are Black get pissed off.
• 42:09
  Maurio Dawson: And you know the same thing about people giving me shit because they think that I don't love black women.
• 42:14
  Maurio Dawson: That has never been the case.
• 42:16
  Maurio Dawson: My mama's a black woman.
• 42:17
  Maurio Dawson: I love a black woman, but I don't feel like I have to defend myself, just like everybody else.
• 42:22
  Maurio Dawson: They feel like they shouldn't have to defend themselves and, being able to evolve, you don't have to be stuck somewhere.
• 42:28
  Maurio Dawson: You understand what I'm saying.
• 42:29
  Maurio Dawson: If that's not your thing, that doesn't have to be your thing, but you don't have to make it everybody else's thing, and I think that's where I'm at.
• 42:36
  Maurio Dawson: If you don't like it, okay, cool, you don't like it.
• 42:38
  Maurio Dawson: But you don't have to say I don't like it.
• 42:40
  Maurio Dawson: You shouldn't like it.
• 42:41
  Maurio Dawson: Everybody else shouldn't like it either, because I don't like it.
• 42:46
  Carmen Lezeth: And it's wrong.
• 42:47
  Carmen Lezeth: It's wrong.
• 42:47
  Carmen Lezeth: It shouldn't be able to say that.
• 42:48
  Carmen Lezeth: But, cynthia, what are your thoughts?
• 42:49
  Cynthia Ruiz: and rick, because I totally agree, and you know it also happens with religion.
• 42:54
  Cynthia Ruiz: I know we don't talk about religion, but it does happen with religion today everything's open rick is like oh my god, don't.
• 42:59
  Cynthia Ruiz: We're in the weeds, now we're in the weeds, you know there are some, there are some religions that do try to push their beliefs on other people, and it's like you know, as long as I believe in god, I believe in some type of higher power, somebody that's bigger than me, then that's all that should matter.
• 43:16
  Cynthia Ruiz: You shouldn't care what my beliefs are, and you know you have your opinion.
• 43:19
  Cynthia Ruiz: That's it, rick.
• 43:22
  Rick Costa: Yeah, there's an interesting thing in that Christian music community.
• 43:26
  Rick Costa: I especially remember, even when I was younger, so when I was first getting into my belief system, right, all there was was country, bluegrass, everything southern gospel.
• 43:40
  Rick Costa: They didn't have no modern version of christian, nothing.
• 43:42
  Rick Costa: Now it's.
• 43:43
  Rick Costa: You got everything.
• 43:44
  Rick Costa: But there was a time when, like hard rock, christian started coming into play.
• 43:48
  Rick Costa: And then rap started coming into play and I was like a lot of people I thought this was very interesting.
• 43:54
  Rick Costa: Well, again, some people, they didn't like neither one.
• 43:56
  Rick Costa: No, that's not of god.
• 43:58
  Rick Costa: That's not of god.
• 43:58
  Rick Costa: Some people are like oh, rock is cool, but rap, no, that's of the devil.
• 44:01
  Rick Costa: I'm like why?
• 44:03
  Rick Costa: And then even one preacher who was pretty famous literally said he was not gonna have a guy he didn't know he was a.
• 44:10
  Rick Costa: He was a.
• 44:11
  Rick Costa: Not have a guy come to his church once he found out he was a rapper.
• 44:14
  Rick Costa: And he's like no, that's not of God.
• 44:16
  Rick Costa: I'm like you are so stupid.
• 44:17
  Rick Costa: One thing I noticed looking at the lyrics of the rock Christian and then the rap Christian.
• 44:23
  Rick Costa: The lyrics of the rap blew me away.
• 44:27
  Rick Costa: Comparatively to the rock.
• 44:28
  Rick Costa: The rock was just like basic, but the rap stuff I was like, ooh, bars, what Say that again.
• 44:34
  Rick Costa: It was deep stuff.
• 44:36
  Cynthia Ruiz: They're still preaching the word of God.
• 44:38
  Cynthia Ruiz: So it's like, who cares how they're doing it?
• 44:40
  Maurio Dawson: It's coming out how it's packaged.
• 44:42
  Maurio Dawson: It doesn't matter how it's packaged, yeah, exactly.
• 44:44
  Cynthia Ruiz: There's a guy on TikTok I don't know if you guys have seen it who does a version of preaching about God to Texas Hold'em and it's beautiful.
• 44:52
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, like you said, even with the gospel music man, the purists of the Winans and Shirley Caesars at the back of the day.
• 45:00
  Maurio Dawson: Man, when they when Kirk Franklin first came out, they were in the uproar about Kirk Franklin.
• 45:04
  Maurio Dawson: Come on now.
• 45:05
  Maurio Dawson: The man is still delivering the message.
• 45:10
  Rick Costa: It doesn't matter how it's wrapped up, you as long as you're getting the gift and the thing that would really tick me off even to this day it still does, because I still see people doing it in the churches.
• 45:17
  Rick Costa: They'll say god doesn't like that kind of music you ain't god sit down and shut up you.
• 45:23
  Rick Costa: You don't like that music.
• 45:25
  Rick Costa: Wow, like that.
• 45:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Whatever it's not god, shut up, go ahead.
• 45:28
  Rick Costa: Rick preach who woulded me off.
• 45:29
  Rick Costa: Sorry, come on now.
• 45:31
  Cynthia Ruiz: Oh, he got hit.
• 45:32
  Cynthia Ruiz: Come on, Rick.
• 45:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Get Rick going.
• 45:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, there I see many Indian, punjabi artists collaborating with hip hop rappers and singers like Sia.
• 45:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that how?
• 45:42
  Carmen Lezeth: We say it yeah, Sia I think it's a beautiful thing that artists integrate their talent in different genres.
• 45:46
  Maurio Dawson: Gigi, thank you Absolutely, Gigi another perfect example is Missy Yelly and Get your Freak On.
• 45:51
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right.
• 45:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's a good one.
• 45:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a good one.
• 45:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Alma just said exactly.
• 46:00
  Carmen Lezeth: We are to share the good word with all people and look just for all the atheists out there.
• 46:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I do have atheist people who follow my channel.
• 46:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Look, whatever works for you is fine.
• 46:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I think my whole thing about what's happening now whether it's this whole thing with Beyonce or whatever situation when it comes to issues of race or things that we in our gut just automatically start to be defensive about please check yourself.
• 46:25
  Carmen Lezeth: There is nuance to everything and I know white people are having a hard time.
• 46:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I said this in my podcast last week.
• 46:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I did a Carmen talk and I got some feedback and I know people listen to it and I know it was a little bit hard to listen to.
• 46:42
  Carmen Lezeth: But here's the thing it's.
• 46:43
  Carmen Lezeth: We are in a world right now where people are just automatically, quickly, without thinking, without doing the actual work, reacting to shit.
• 46:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Your hate for Beyonce is stupid.
• 46:55
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't need to hate Beyonce.
• 46:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce is one of the geniuses of our time and I'm I'm not like a Beyonce crazy person.
• 47:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not part of the beehive or anything, but the idea that if you go back with an open heart and an open mind and go back and listen to all of her albums which I own all of them, if you list, she is a storyteller and she's a great storyteller and she's a historian.
• 47:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I know people are going to be all freaked out because I said that, but she does something that a lot of artists don't do.
• 47:25
  Carmen Lezeth: The only other person I think of that touches me this way is Prince.
• 47:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I know people are going to be upset.
• 47:30
  Carmen Lezeth: People are going to be upset, like, don't do that.
• 47:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce, prince, I am telling you right now, when it comes to the music and the genres that I love, I'm telling you no one else has done this kind of thing.
• 47:41
  Carmen Lezeth: With all of their albums, where they teach history, they teach me something new, they make me a better person than Beyonce, and I'm not a fan.
• 47:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean this album is fine, it's just not my favorite.
• 47:53
  Carmen Lezeth: But stop being a knee jerk reaction kind of person and start being a person who has depth, who listens to nuance, who looks deeper into what's going on.
• 48:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Please, I beg of you.
• 48:06
  Carmen Lezeth: This country is in so much trouble because y'all keep knee-jerking reaction to everything.
• 48:13
  Maurio Dawson: Can I ask a question?
• 48:14
  Maurio Dawson: Yes, when something bothers us so deeply or so viscerally, it's something in it that is within us that's really striking a chord, whether it be good or bad.
• 48:29
  Maurio Dawson: And when we have a visceral response to something, especially if it's something you're unfamiliar with, you have to sometimes do self-reflection and say why is it bothering me so much?
• 48:38
  Maurio Dawson: What is it about this thing that is just making me so upset?
• 48:43
  Maurio Dawson: And if you do some self-reflection you'll learn something new about yourself.
• 48:48
  Carmen Lezeth: But, mario, it's harder because I'm not trying to be disagreeable.
• 48:52
  Maurio Dawson: No, no, no, I'm going to disagree with you for a moment.
• 48:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I think white people are going through something right now and what they're going through is real.
• 48:58
  Carmen Lezeth: They're going through something which is they have always been right, in power, correct.
• 49:04
  Carmen Lezeth: They've been the inventors of everything.
• 49:07
  Carmen Lezeth: The history is the way it was taught to all of us, and now they're being told all of that is wrong.
• 49:13
  Carmen Lezeth: All of that is wrong.
• 49:15
  Carmen Lezeth: That is not true.
• 49:15
  Carmen Lezeth: The country music thing is a great, motherfucking example.
• 49:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Even I didn't know that country music wasn't a white thing.
• 49:24
  Maurio Dawson: I learned and they're mad about it.
• 49:27
  Carmen Lezeth: And rightfully so.
• 49:28
  Carmen Lezeth: But instead of being mad about being lied to to, what's happening is they're rejecting the information.
• 49:34
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean like and and that's what's infuriating.
• 49:37
  Carmen Lezeth: When I learned about tulsa and I learned about rosewood and this happened during the whole fucking black lives matter march I was pissed at my country for not teaching me the truth about what happened to black communities that were of wealth and trying to establish themselves and were already established with their own income, with their own wall street black wall street their own abilities to, to, to create, and then they were totally killed, literally bombarded by airplanes and and and bombs and decimated.
• 50:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, when I learned that as an American, as as a person who is a patriot and loves their motherfucking country, when I learned that, I was pissed.
• 50:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So if I'm pissed as a person of color, learning that, shit, white people are having a come to Jesus moment, and for the atheist, whatever that is for you, but I'm just saying they're having a moment to Jesus moment.
• 50:32
  Carmen Lezeth: And for the atheists, whatever that is for you, but I'm just saying they're having a moment.
• 50:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, that is really hard and I fucking get it.
• 50:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I get it to the ability that I can.
• 50:39
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I watched a show.
• 50:41
  Rick Costa: I wish I could remember what the name of it was, but and it was, it was showing the Tulsa thing, cause it was like a time travel thing.
• 50:47
  Rick Costa: I went back in time and they went into the Tulsa what are they called in?
• 50:50
  Maurio Dawson: Tulsa.
• 50:50
  Rick Costa: Black.
• 50:51
  Rick Costa: Wall Street Wasn't there like a Tulsa massacre, not massacre.
• 50:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Tulsa massacre.
• 50:55
  Rick Costa: I watched it.
• 50:56
  Rick Costa: I was like oh, wow.
• 50:57
  Rick Costa: And then I was like I've been listening to people talk about the show and they're like, yeah, that was a real thing.
• 51:00
  Rick Costa: I was like, wait, what.
• 51:01
  Rick Costa: I was mad because I was like, wait, why is this not known?
• 51:05
  Rick Costa: This is crazy.
• 51:06
  Rick Costa: This is history, not in school no, that's right, I was mad.
• 51:11
  Maurio Dawson: Only reason I knew about it is because my grandparents taught me about it.
• 51:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Um, what a blessing.
• 51:15
  Maurio Dawson: I'm glad that you knew that, because I didn't know nothing yeah, I grew up knowing about black wall street and about that because it was you know for for people of the south.
• 51:23
  Maurio Dawson: You know, a lot of our stories are told through our ancestors.
• 51:28
  Maurio Dawson: That's right and so, therefore, and it was important to to share the stories.
• 51:32
  Maurio Dawson: Now, some of the accuracy you know, right, but you get the general gist of and then you can go back and verify for yourself.
• 51:40
  Maurio Dawson: But, yeah, it definitely.
• 51:42
  Maurio Dawson: And then another another group of people were made aware of the, the.
• 51:47
  Maurio Dawson: The Tulsa massacre was through Lovecraft country.
• 51:51
  Maurio Dawson: Oh, yes.
• 51:55
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, if you watch Lovecraft Country, which is considered a horror genre, but it was still the massacre of all these black people, you know, and you got to see part of that in there, but for sure you know it's.
• 52:08
  Maurio Dawson: I think people are just mad because we're being, our history is being whitewashed.
• 52:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, no, no, it has been whitewashed, but now it's coming to fruition with a truth is, and I think it's.
• 52:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at and I black folk in my life get mad at me because I'm trying to have as much compassion as I can for white folk who are learning something that I think is detrimental and painful to their idea of who they are in this country, and I think that's fair.
• 52:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think that's a bad thing to acknowledge.
• 52:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't hate anyone in this country.
• 52:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I love my country.
• 52:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I have faith in the American people, even though they let me down over and over and over again, but I still have faith.
• 52:49
  Carmen Lezeth: And here's what I'm saying.
• 52:50
  Carmen Lezeth: We're all learning the truth about the United States and I think the best thing we can do is embrace that.
• 52:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Embrace that and become the country we can actually be by embracing it.
• 53:02
  Carmen Lezeth: By the way, black and people of color and indigenous people, we're not going anywhere.
• 53:08
  Carmen Lezeth: We're not going anywhere.
• 53:09
  Carmen Lezeth: We're here.
• 53:11
  Carmen Lezeth: So this idea that somehow you can keep denying it and I'm going to go back to the Megan Callie thing whatever the fuck her name is because I'm so pissed about her because she has a platform.
• 53:20
  Carmen Lezeth: She is the epitome of what a white woman is.
• 53:23
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 53:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Like everything about her she's white, she's beautiful, she's smart, she's got all these people following her, whatever.
• 53:27
  Carmen Lezeth: And to get up there and say what she did.
• 53:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I wish I knew her, because I would call her and be like dude, what are you doing?
• 53:34
  Carmen Lezeth: You have all this power.
• 53:35
  Carmen Lezeth: What are you doing?
• 53:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Embedding this crap?
• 53:38
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, this is the stuff that annoys me.
• 53:42
  Carmen Lezeth: The kind of fueling of the continuous racism and that's what she was doing is continuing and fueling racism.
• 53:50
  Carmen Lezeth: You can put lipstick on it, you can put a bow on it, you can call it whatever you want.
• 53:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Her jealousy and her racism was shining, shining brightly, and I think we have to acknowledge that and realize that there's a fear in the white community.
• 54:06
  Carmen Lezeth: That's valid.
• 54:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know what?
• 54:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Get over it and move on and let's just figure it out.
• 54:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't hate white people.
• 54:13
  Carmen Lezeth: I love white people.
• 54:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I do.
• 54:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I love white people.
• 54:15
  Carmen Lezeth: But we have got to figure it out to be really true Great, to be the great country we thought we were, we actually have to move through this part of us and the reason why I call it racism is because it is and you all know the nuances of it this whole hatred for Beyonce is about racism.
• 54:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Whole hatred for Beyonce is about racism.
• 54:38
  Carmen Lezeth: It's about racism.
• 54:39
  Carmen Lezeth: This is not about Dolly Parton or about Paul McCartney, or about her being in country or whatever.
• 54:41
  Carmen Lezeth: It's none of that.
• 54:42
  Carmen Lezeth: At the end of the day, if you sat with yourself, wrote in your journal and really had a conversation, this is about racism.
• 54:48
  Carmen Lezeth: You're angry that a black woman made country music, who is a an amazing artist, and walked into another genre.
• 54:56
  Maurio Dawson: And made history.
• 54:56
  Maurio Dawson: History she made history.
• 54:58
  Maurio Dawson: Number one album number one country album, number one single, all number ones, all in the same week.
• 55:07
  Carmen Lezeth: By the way, the reason why she has made history in country music is not because of me, it's because of country people listening to her motherfucking country music bitches.
• 55:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Get a grip.
• 55:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Brianrian, you said welcome to political, to political science.
• 55:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Everything you learned in high school is sugar-coated.
• 55:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to the real shit.
• 55:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I listen to my professor amen brian, amen for real yeah, and I'm sorry you look at I.
• 55:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I know this podcast is billed as something we don't usually talk about racism and religion.
• 55:35
  Carmen Lezeth: But here's the other thing I know for sure and on my Carmen talks, I will talk about whatever I damn well please, and you don't have to listen to it.
• 55:40
  Carmen Lezeth: But we also can't be authentically myself, and this conversation is about race.
• 55:48
  Carmen Lezeth: It really is, and to shy away from it would be crazy.
• 55:51
  Carmen Lezeth: We're smarter than that.
• 55:52
  Carmen Lezeth: We're nuanced.
• 55:53
  Maurio Dawson: You know what I mean Go ahead, mario, no, no, no, listen, it was on my spirit.
• 55:58
  Maurio Dawson: I felt like I needed to bring the topic to the table.
• 56:01
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not Mario's fault, by the way, don't at me either.
• 56:07
  Rick Costa: Alma brought up the whole making of the Green Book thing and that's a whole movie in and of itself.
• 56:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait, wait.
• 56:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Did I miss something about Alma?
• 56:14
  Rick Costa: She said that show also touched on the making of the Green Book and why it was so needed.
• 56:17
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right, my grandmother had a Green Book, but why don't one of you explain what the Green Book is, please?
• 56:22
  Rick Costa: Well, there's a funny part in the show where so basically it's these are places, restaurants, you can go where you're okay with Black people, basically.
• 56:31
  Carmen Lezeth: And hotels it's not just restaurants Places you can go, you can go there.
• 56:34
  Rick Costa: They're not going to try to lynch you, right?
• 56:36
  Rick Costa: So in the show they went to this restaurant because it was in the book, didn't know that it got bought out by somebody else who was not pro-Black people, and so they're sitting down, they're like chilling, like everything's cool.
• 56:46
  Rick Costa: Then all of a sudden the girl goes.
• 56:54
  Rick Costa: I got need to get down here and she came back.
• 56:56
  Rick Costa: She said we got to get out of here right now.
• 56:58
  Rick Costa: We got to go now, now.
• 57:00
  Rick Costa: And I was like wow that is.
• 57:02
  Maurio Dawson: That's so crazy.
• 57:03
  Maurio Dawson: And then there's also what they call sundown towns.
• 57:06
  Rick Costa: Yep.
• 57:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Wasn't that part of the Green Book, though that's part of the whole Green Book thing.
• 57:10
  Rick Costa: That's all part, and in that TV show too, yeah hotels, restaurants, gas stations, cities.
• 57:19
  Maurio Dawson: It was a path through the South to get all the way through safely and you had to be out of these sundown towns to make sure you stay alive to see the next day.
• 57:29
  Carmen Lezeth: This was something that was told between networks of people of color, so you would know where to go and where not to go.
• 57:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me just say, growing up in Boston sorry, I love you, boston, but, cynthia, you know what I'm going to say we kind of had our own little green book without actually having it written down.
• 57:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You grew up where you could go and you couldn't go.
• 57:45
  Cynthia Ruiz: It was very well established after dark or whatever, like right now, where I live, you live, in South Boston, I live in south boston, which was it's basically all irish.
• 57:56
  Cynthia Ruiz: So back in 70s, early 80s, I was going to come to south boston.
• 58:01
  Cynthia Ruiz: Looking like me, carmen, you know, like unless you were with a white person.
• 58:05
  Carmen Lezeth: so I would go without carrier all the time, or I would be.
• 58:07
  Carmen Lezeth: It was why because I used to hang out in south boston, but only with other white people, I would never go.
• 58:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's the same kind of thing you knew as a person of color, where you could and could not go, and that's part of what all this is.
• 58:21
  Carmen Lezeth: And here's the thing white America I'm saying this on purpose.
• 58:25
  Carmen Lezeth: We need to know our history, because the only way we get better as a country and as a people is to understand a truth.
• 58:33
  Carmen Lezeth: This isn't about me being hateful to white I love white people.
• 58:35
  Carmen Lezeth: This isn't about me.
• 58:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I want us to understand a truth.
• 58:37
  Carmen Lezeth: This isn't about me being hateful to white I love white people.
• 58:38
  Carmen Lezeth: This isn't about me.
• 58:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I want us to know our truth, because we become stronger as a nation, as a people, when we know the truth of who we are.
• 58:45
  TikTok: Yes.
• 58:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 58:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Alma just said I have a friend in San Diego that says they have a son downtown.
• 58:51
  Carmen Lezeth: We do Absolutely in San Diego.
• 58:52
  Maurio Dawson: We do oh absolutely.
• 58:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Melanie just said, so many people have crossed over from one genre of music to another Beyonce, the latest.
• 58:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't see the problem.
• 58:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, melanie, I agree with you.
• 59:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, audrey, welcome.
• 59:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Audrey is Cynthia's sister.
• 59:06
  Cynthia Ruiz: Hey Audrey.
• 59:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But there's also people of color who are not supporting Beyonce's country song.
• 59:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Have you seen a TikTok video of a woman who's in her car listening to music with her daughter?
• 59:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce song comes on, the text is hold on.
• 59:17
  Carmen Lezeth: The mother says, oh no, this is not happening.
• 59:19
  Carmen Lezeth: So she changes the station and the daughter was like what the hell?
• 59:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, bravo to the daughter.
• 59:23
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 59:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Like bravo to the daughter.
• 59:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot of people who have angst, but I think we's why we're having the conversation, mara.
• 59:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's why you wanted to have the conversation.
• 59:39
  Maurio Dawson: A hundred percent.
• 59:40
  Maurio Dawson: You know, it's just about.
• 59:41
  Maurio Dawson: You know now, mind you, texas Hold'em was playing a lot and there's another meme it was another meme where the lady is the old black and white video and a woman.
• 59:50
  Maurio Dawson: She goes to the Victrola and you hear Texas Hold'em playing and all of a sudden she takes the record off the Victrola and smashes it.
• 59:56
  Maurio Dawson: She says if I hear that song one more time, that's right.
• 1:00:02
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, my God, this was such I'm sorry.
• 1:00:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, rick, I'm sorry.
• 1:00:08
  Rick Costa: I think this doesn't apply necessarily to everything, but in a lot of things, if you have a problem, you have a problem, you have a problem, say.
• 1:00:15
  Maurio Dawson: You have a problem.
• 1:00:16
  Maurio Dawson: You have a problem, you have a problem.
• 1:00:17
  Maurio Dawson: Say that.
• 1:00:17
  Maurio Dawson: Say that Say it loud you have a problem.
• 1:00:21
  Maurio Dawson: Come on now.
• 1:00:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Woo, Rick is my co-host.
• 1:00:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, baby Woo.
• 1:00:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, Rick, Go ahead.
• 1:00:28
  Carmen Lezeth: That was good, yeah, you know what.
• 1:00:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But here's the thing I have faith in the American people.
• 1:00:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I do, I do, I do.
• 1:00:34
  Carmen Lezeth: If Andrea was here by the way, she's on a flight still and she was delayed, you know she would probably be like oh Carmen, you're so crazy.
• 1:00:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she's kind of a little bit lost faith in the American people.
• 1:00:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I still have hope, I love my country and I still have faith in us.
• 1:00:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I think we're great people.
• 1:00:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it takes us a long time to get wherever it is we need to be, but once we get there, we're solid.
• 1:00:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at Mara Mara's like I have faith.
• 1:01:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But wow, we are at one hour 13 minutes and we did not talk about OJ.
• 1:01:06
  Carmen Lezeth: We still can.
• 1:01:09
  Maurio Dawson: Deuces.
• 1:01:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Woo.
• 1:01:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, let's talk a little bit about OJ.
• 1:01:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, Mario.
• 1:01:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Why don't you throw in?
• 1:01:15
  Maurio Dawson: I said what I said, deuces.
• 1:01:17
  Carmen Lezeth: What's deuces mean?
• 1:01:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't even know what that means.
• 1:01:19
  Maurio Dawson: See you later.
• 1:01:20
  Carmen Lezeth: See you later, bye, I mean.
• 1:01:22
  Maurio Dawson: I don't, like you know he's so divisive Divisive rather.
• 1:01:26
  Maurio Dawson: People are like he didn't do it or he did it wasn't there.
• 1:01:40
  Maurio Dawson: I'm not on the journey, I don't care.
• 1:01:42
  Maurio Dawson: I wish his family peace and solace because he was still a father.
• 1:01:44
  Maurio Dawson: He still had children.
• 1:01:45
  Maurio Dawson: I hope that his children are at peace.
• 1:01:47
  Maurio Dawson: I hope the Goldman family is now at peace, because that was an ongoing thorn in their side.
• 1:01:53
  Maurio Dawson: So shout out to the Goldman, shout out to the Simpsons.
• 1:01:57
  Maurio Dawson: Let everybody be in peace and it's now over.
• 1:02:00
  Cynthia Ruiz: Cynthia, I really don't care about that.
• 1:02:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't care for the man, so I mean, I'm going to say something, but go ahead, Rick.
• 1:02:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to say something that's going to throw you all, but go ahead, Rick.
• 1:02:10
  Rick Costa: I forgot the movie.
• 1:02:11
  Rick Costa: Is it called barbershop, where the barber goes?
• 1:02:14
  Carmen Lezeth: oh, jay did it, oh, they did it no, I'm gonna I'm just gonna say this part and then you guys can chime in and and we'll close it down.
• 1:02:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Um, so I moved here in 1994.
• 1:02:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I moved here in 1994, what, what, mario?
• 1:02:29
  Maurio Dawson: my wife asked me did any of us see the last post that oj simpson did?
• 1:02:32
  Maurio Dawson: I said I don't know.
• 1:02:33
  Maurio Dawson: I have to look I I have no idea.
• 1:02:34
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not like I followed him.
• 1:02:36
  Maurio Dawson: Neither did.
• 1:02:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I, audrey, just said.
• 1:02:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, technically, the Goldman are really not at peace because they did say that their hope for his accountability has ended, which is sad, absolutely true, absolutely true.
• 1:02:45
  Carmen Lezeth: So I moved here in 1994 in California, and I didn't just move to California, I actually landed in West LA in the neighborhood where OJ Simpson killed or did not kill his wife, depending on your perspective.
• 1:03:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually ended up buying a condo across the street, literally across the street from the place where this all happened.
• 1:03:08
  Carmen Lezeth: So the reason why I bring this up is I think people forget the nuance of what happened back then.
• 1:03:17
  Carmen Lezeth: So let me refresh your memory In 1991, rodney King, during the riots in Los Angeles, was beaten by cops.
• 1:03:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Ridiculously.
• 1:03:28
  Carmen Lezeth: It was filmed on video.
• 1:03:30
  Carmen Lezeth: We didn't have phones back then, but it was on video.
• 1:03:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a huge news.
• 1:03:34
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys remember it right, the Rodney King thing, or whatever, and cops beat him or whatever, and that was 1991.
• 1:03:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a huge news.
• 1:03:40
  Carmen Lezeth: You guys remember it right?
• 1:03:40
  Carmen Lezeth: The Rodney or whatever, and cops beat him or whatever, and it was, that was 1991.
• 1:03:45
  Carmen Lezeth: That was March of 1991.
• 1:03:46
  Carmen Lezeth: And when I moved here in 1994, that was still a really big part of our ethos as a country.
• 1:03:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Right that all of these cops beat a black man after pulling him out of his tractor, trailer thing or whatever, to a pulp.
• 1:03:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And then no one was held accountable for that.
• 1:03:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if people remember that, but nobody was held accountable for that.
• 1:04:01
  Carmen Lezeth: And then in April of 1995, oj Simpsons.
• 1:04:05
  Carmen Lezeth: They came out and said that he was not guilty.
• 1:04:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, that was what happened.
• 1:04:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So I was here in Los Angeles, I was living.
• 1:04:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I had a roommate at the time, chris Leterzo, and we had a huge fight about this.
• 1:04:15
  Carmen Lezeth: But I was one of those people who was like, oh my God, yes, I was so happy about him being let go or whatever, donnie Cochran doing whatever.
• 1:04:25
  Carmen Lezeth: And people are like, oh my God, how could you?
• 1:04:27
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not that I believed that he didn't kill his wife, that was not the controversy, that was not the issue.
• 1:04:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I absolutely know that motherfucking killed his wife and killed Ron Goldman.
• 1:04:37
  Carmen Lezeth: That was not the problem.
• 1:04:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But what people don't remember back then is that what people were feeling is would you be treated the same if you were wealthy and black, like you were wealthy and white?
• 1:04:50
  Carmen Lezeth: What a lot of people of color were excited about, wasn't that?
• 1:04:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Oj got off?
• 1:04:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm not trying to speak for all people of color were excited about, wasn't that OJ got off?
• 1:04:57
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm not trying to speak for all people of color, but I'm just saying my feeling and what I know from people I hang out with who are people of color.
• 1:05:02
  Carmen Lezeth: We were excited to see that the justice system was the same if you were rich.
• 1:05:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Does that make sense?
• 1:05:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Like that's what the exuberance was of?
• 1:05:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh so if you have money, it don't matter what color your ear is.
• 1:05:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You will get off, because white people got off all the time and continue to get off if they have a lot of money.
• 1:05:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Carmen Lezeth: So I just want to throw that out there.
• 1:05:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I have never, not once ever, thought that he was not guilty and I was glad that he was in prison.
• 1:05:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't give a fuck that he died.
• 1:05:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I'll just say that straight up.
• 1:05:32
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm just sad that he didn't suffer more.
• 1:05:34
  Carmen Lezeth: What?
• 1:05:35
  Maurio Dawson: Pick me.
• 1:05:35
  Maurio Dawson: I have a fun fact, something else you don't know about me.
• 1:05:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I just wanted to give that statement so people would understand that this is OJ related.
• 1:05:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead OJ related.
• 1:05:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead baby.
• 1:05:44
  Maurio Dawson: I worked with Chris Darden right after the OJ trial.
• 1:05:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, oh my God, poor Chris Darden.
• 1:05:51
  Carmen Lezeth: He went through so much.
• 1:05:52
  Maurio Dawson: He actually.
• 1:05:53
  Maurio Dawson: I remember that because I was still at Cal State, LA, at the time.
• 1:05:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Tell people who Chris Darden is on the audio.
• 1:05:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Chris.
• 1:05:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Darden was one of the prosecuting attorneys with Marsha is it Marsha Gray, marsha Gray, marsha Gray, and he was Black.
• 1:06:05
  Carmen Lezeth: He was Black, yeah.
• 1:06:05
  Maurio Dawson: Chris Darden was a Black man who was one of the prosecuting attorneys for the OJ trial and I was a student worker at Cal State, la at the time and I was working in the criminal justice department as an aide.
• 1:06:23
  Maurio Dawson: I didn't know that Another fun fact about me that you didn't know.
• 1:06:27
  Maurio Dawson: So I was working in the criminal justice department at Cal State LA and it was such a big deal.
• 1:06:30
  Maurio Dawson: News reporters were everywhere all over campus.
• 1:06:32
  Maurio Dawson: We literally had to have a security guard outside of our office door just so he can come into the office to do his work before he got ready to clap to go to class.
• 1:06:37
  Maurio Dawson: We had to keep security outside the classrooms.
• 1:06:39
  Maurio Dawson: It was a madhouse.
• 1:06:41
  Maurio Dawson: But when I got to sit down and talk to him on a one-on-one basis, you could see the turmoil, yeah, his face all the time about, um, how the outcome of that case came to be.
• 1:06:53
  Maurio Dawson: And he actually got.
• 1:06:54
  Maurio Dawson: He talked about the case quite a bit in that in a couple of his classes that semester or that, yeah, that quarter, cause he's, he taught there for almost a year.
• 1:07:01
  Maurio Dawson: Wow, really really nice man, very quiet, very reserved, but very troubled.
• 1:07:08
  Maurio Dawson: For sure.
• 1:07:09
  Maurio Dawson: I can say that with honesty.
• 1:07:10
  Maurio Dawson: He was very troubled about the outcome and he said I, you know we did our best, but it just didn't work out in our favor.
• 1:07:16
  Maurio Dawson: But he said all the evidence was there.
• 1:07:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Because Johnny Cochran was crazy amazing People get so mad at.
• 1:07:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Like Johnny Cochran.
• 1:07:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like bitch.
• 1:07:25
  Carmen Lezeth: If I was in trouble, you know who I'd hire.
• 1:07:27
  Maurio Dawson: I'm calling Johnny Cochran.
• 1:07:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Johnny Cochran Okay.
• 1:07:30
  Rick Costa: If the glove don't fit, you must quit, but go ahead.
• 1:07:42
  Rick Costa: Rick Cynthia, your thoughts about the past, I mean, like like tomorrow said I wasn't there, did I have a feeling one way or the other?
• 1:07:45
  Rick Costa: I'm like carmen, I, like you, probably did um well, and I agree too, though it's nice to see that you know it's possible to get off even though you're not white.
• 1:07:56
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a tough one, though.
• 1:07:59
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a tough one because you don't, you, I mean, I see, I agree with you, rick, but it's kind of like so that becomes a socioeconomic situation.
• 1:08:07
  Carmen Lezeth: So if you have money, you get off on stuff.
• 1:08:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So our justice system really isn't equal.
• 1:08:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't have that kind of money to have that kind of defense.
• 1:08:18
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 1:08:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So, but yeah, I, I, I mean that's what that was about.
• 1:08:19
  Carmen Lezeth: And, by the way, my roommate at the time, chris Leterzo oh my God, we had such a fight.
• 1:08:23
  Carmen Lezeth: He was so angry with me because he heard me in my room.
• 1:08:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like we had such a huge fight about he's a white man, but it was just so amazingly like he was so angry with me.
• 1:08:34
  Carmen Lezeth: But, cynthia, thoughts, you loved OJ Go ahead, admit it.
• 1:08:40
  Cynthia Ruiz: I'm just waiting for it to be on an episode of Keep it Up With the Kardashians or something.
• 1:08:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Because you know that it's going to be.
• 1:08:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh right, the Kardashians are related, right, yeah, because they're bad.
• 1:08:49
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, Rob Kardashian.
• 1:08:51
  Maurio Dawson: Robert Kardashian was one of the attorneys.
• 1:08:55
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right.
• 1:08:55
  Carmen Lezeth: He was one of the attorneys, right.
• 1:08:57
  Cynthia Ruiz: That's right, he was one of the attorneys on the defense with Johnny Cochran.
• 1:09:02
  Maurio Dawson: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:02
  Maurio Dawson: Oh wow, amazing.
• 1:09:02
  Maurio Dawson: I just saw the last video where he was denying that he was in hospice.
• 1:09:05
  Maurio Dawson: That was his last tweet.
• 1:09:07
  Maurio Dawson: Who OJ?
• 1:09:09
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, here, I'll play it for you.
• 1:09:13
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no, Don't play it, don't play it.
• 1:09:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to promote him, I don't want to promote him, let's not promote him you said you can't trust the media.
• 1:09:19
  Maurio Dawson: Basically.
• 1:09:20
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:09:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to be rude, but I do think I want to be very clear.
• 1:09:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I am 99.99% sure he killed his wife and Ron Goldman, so I don't want to promote his fucking ass, but I want to explain what the exuberance was on my part and what I think a lot of people of color were.
• 1:09:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It wasn't about that he didn't kill them.
• 1:09:40
  Carmen Lezeth: It was that there was some weird equality that happened if you had money.
• 1:09:45
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 1:09:46
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what happened.
• 1:09:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Ash just said.
• 1:09:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Apparently Chris said good riddance when he heard of his passing, but apparently they were close.
• 1:09:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's Chris Kardashian?
• 1:09:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I don't.
• 1:09:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I know nothing about the.
• 1:09:59
  Maurio Dawson: Kardashians.
• 1:09:59
  Maurio Dawson: Chris with a K, and she's talking about Kardashian.
• 1:10:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, well, technically, the Goldman are really not at peace because they did say oh, I read that already.
• 1:10:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, right, I feel bad for Ronald Ron Goldman.
• 1:10:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So when I first moved here I think Charlie and I talked about this a little bit Charlie Matera, who we had on the private lounge, we met at what used there was Mezzaluna, which is the restaurant that she left her sunglasses at, and Ronald Goldman, the waiter, brought them to her.
• 1:10:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, there's that part of the story and it's so vivid in my mind because I remember when I first moved here there were paparazzi everywhere.
• 1:10:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I got this apartment for like 540 bucks, I remember it.
• 1:10:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a studio apartment here in the heart of Brentwood and it was because nobody wanted to really live here anymore, because there was just so much drama going on.
• 1:10:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like I'm in.
• 1:10:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I just moved here, I'm in and it was just kind of an incredible time.
• 1:10:52
  Carmen Lezeth: It was horrible, sad and yeah, I'm pretty sure, without a doubt, I don't think I'm.
• 1:10:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I would bet everything that he did do it.
• 1:11:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Uh, brian said so I shouldn't trade my truck in for a white bronco no, that would be no no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:11:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so we're almost at one hour 30 minutes.
• 1:11:10
  Carmen Lezeth: That went by so fast you did wow, that was a great topic, mario.
• 1:11:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I would have never talked about Beyonce, so I'm glad you brought that up.
• 1:11:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, melanie just said Robert Blake died last year.
• 1:11:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think he was guilty?
• 1:11:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's Robert Blake?
• 1:11:26
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, but Robert Blake went to jail.
• 1:11:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Who's Robert Blake?
• 1:11:31
  Maurio Dawson: He played Beretta.
• 1:11:31
  Maurio Dawson: Yeah, what was he?
• 1:11:33
  Carmen Lezeth: guilty of Don't break my heart.
• 1:11:36
  Maurio Dawson: I loved Ber yeah, what did he do?
• 1:11:39
  Maurio Dawson: I can't remember his crime but yeah, I remember that whole thing melanie.
• 1:11:43
  Carmen Lezeth: We're gonna follow up on the next episode next week, because I don't even know what you're talking about, but I'm so sad, I'm heartbroken.
• 1:11:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, everyone, we're almost at the 130 mark.
• 1:11:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So I just wanted to say, first of all, thank you, mario, love you, thank you for coming by.
• 1:11:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I appreciate you, cynthia, as always.
• 1:11:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, rick Costa, you know I love you, my man, you're so good.
• 1:12:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you everyone, and let me just give a shout out again to people on LinkedIn, who I keep getting so many followers and I'm so excited.
• 1:12:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, thank you emails.
• 1:12:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I appreciate the DMs.
• 1:12:18
  Carmen Lezeth: We are working on swag.
• 1:12:18
  Carmen Lezeth: A couple of people have asked me for t-shirts and hats and somebody asked me for my hoodie.
• 1:12:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to hook it up.
• 1:12:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to do it soon, I swear.
• 1:12:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I promise what, mario.
• 1:12:27
  Maurio Dawson: I asked for my swag a long time ago.
• 1:12:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, you know what I want it to be quality.
• 1:12:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think I just got to bite the bullet and just go with it and I'm going to do it, I promise.
• 1:12:35
  Carmen Lezeth: But anyway, listen, thank you everyone for following us.
• 1:12:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Please go to YouTube, like us, follow and share.
• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:49
  Carmen Lezeth: But investors, do we really?
• 1:12:53
  Maurio Dawson: do, we really do, we really care.
• 1:12:55
  Carmen Lezeth: We really, really, really do care.
• 1:12:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to be better about it, so please, if you could do that, I really appreciate you and I appreciate the likes, the share, the comments, and I don't know why everyone emails me, but you can also just put a comment somewhere.
• 1:13:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm okay with you emailing me directly, it's all good.
• 1:13:10
  Maurio Dawson: In the words of Rick smash that like button.
• 1:13:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you everyone.
• 1:13:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a great night.
• 1:13:14
  Carmen Lezeth: We'll be here next week and remember it's all about the joy.
• 1:13:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye everyone, bye.
• 1:13:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 1:13:22
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy.
• 1:13:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful folks.
• 1:13:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.