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Ecosistema de Politeia última obra del Fiscal Federico Delgado. - Invitado: Juan Delgado · Ecosistemas

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reflections that allow us to accommodate, order, orient, understand how we work
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discover together these ecosystems in which we are often inserted without wanting to be part
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build a sustainable world, in an environment or full of humanity, in harmony
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with the unique nature that protects our existence and the generations to come welcome.
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There are ecosystems under the prism of polyhedron from the beginning of human existence on
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earth, The idea was always to live in communities. We' re gregarious
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beings. That is what the most important anthropological studies on the existence of man
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indicate, that is, that they were reunited in families, let' s
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say not, and families joined each other in villages and those villages later formed
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the cops. And everything that supposedly happened in those cops, in those encounters,
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is catalogued and labeled by some philosophers of ancient Greece. How do you
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children or aristote them from one place where an ideal world thought that network of
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relationships, bonds and ways in which human beings organized their lives. It was
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called nothing more or anyone else but politics a way of understanding politics what happens
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in a community. Some time ago, a prosecutor who had the Argentine Republic
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and who honored his profession with his life, left us precisely a work called
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Politeia. And we wanted to dedicate this ecosystem not just to Federico Delgado'
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s work, but to his own life, his existence, his ideas and
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what his legacy leaves us, a young man who left us very early to
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be able to talk about Federico Delgado and to be able to talk about Politeia,
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nothing less than an authorized in the matter, as is his own son,
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Juan. Welcome to ecosystems or maybe how good it is. Thank you
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very much for the invitations and introduction. It' s an honor, a
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huge pleasure. I didn' t know your old man, but in this
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last time his book accompanied me even in recreational times, on vacations, on
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the beach under a tree, and it was like first meeting someone who had
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heard many reports that made comments to him. He had followed in some way
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his legal and professional activity through the news and reading of some of the documents
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that he has promoted in some of the cases in which he intervened. But
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beyond that, I wasn' t lucky enough to meet him hand in hand.
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But these talks, through polytheia, led me to discover a friend.
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I met a partner. Let' s just say, it gave me the
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feeling that I was having a dialogue with someone. I find it incredible that
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he cannot be among us, but at the same time he understood that we
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were part of the same entity, we were like a great fraternity. And
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that' s what the book proposes to me, because, although we know
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that Federico left, it leaves in itself a very optimistic possibility in his way
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of writing and thinking about the problems and I know that you had a lot
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to do with the construction of this book. Yes, yes, it is
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a book that is actually published posthumously that he his last vital efforts destined them
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to finish this and a novel that is co- wrote with a friend of
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his and the family that I hope can soon be exposed to a fiction.
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A fiction that' s good. Yes, yes, yes, a fiction
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that, like everything he did, was linked to what he was going through
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as a prosecutor and as a citizen, which really has a lot to do
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with many of the issues he had already touched on in a thousand places.
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But yes, his last efforts were to finish this book and that other one
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that I mentioned to you, but it is a book that worked it out
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for a long time, came up I would tell you that the other time
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we presented it in November at the CSK, in a very nice room of
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the CSK and I counted. I participated in the presentation to see if you
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also wrote the yes. Yes, I wrote the foreword, the foreword to
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the book and I know that the book began there by the seventeenth of the
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eighteenth. Not really, we started thinking about the book. He begins to
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think about it, but because of a contingent question, he begins to think
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about it with me, because we were both in Spain, in Catalonia.
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In fact, I' m going to study. I finished school and went
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to graduate school outside. You' re political, I' m political directly.
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You' re in politics. Yeah, yeah, him or not.
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No, no. No. I tried to do the right cs while I
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was in the race and no more. The truth is, he didn'
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t have a passion. There is one dimension of law that obviously does a
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lot. With I tried, very to link, but let' s say
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the practice itself, the language of law one for me what it is that
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from generation to generation, because your old man gets into law school gets very
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young. I think he was twenty- four years old when he gets to
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be a lawyer, he starts as a meritorious in a court of law,
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and he ends a legal activity as such. I was thinking when I was
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coming to the radio, because he makes reference and is not ashamed to say
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that by a finger appointment, he manages to get to the prosecution and I
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thought good how many fingers have sometimes led us to get to where we are.
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The problem may not be so much the subject of the finger, but
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what do I do with that opportunity that gives you life and I heard it
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Federico your old man, who was always a very grateful guy. Yeah,
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yeah, totally him. The question of known designations is something that by judgment
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changed, but at the time he basically reached a high position. For good.
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Obviously, one can say later that he was named a finger because he
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had good performance, a lot of circumstances, but that it is circumstances the
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facts themselves. The administrative framework allowed a person to designate him as he might
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have designated someone bad or good, better or worse. It must also be
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borne in mind that being a prosecutor is not an easy thing, because you
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are not there if you really want to act as a prosecutor. A lawyer
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tells you. No. I have studied law many times you find prosecutors who
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are commentators of the situation, but who are not prosecutors as they have to
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be and he does not. He took the condition of good. It is
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up to me to be here beyond any circumstances, but I was not commenting
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on the situation, but to operate as it should operate within the framework of
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a cause that this also implies having good, at least a conduct far from
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social life. It is retarded to generate the issues linked up there, because
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those ethical issues also cross. Yes, it is also an issue that is
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part of what we live as a country institutional terms, several decades ago.
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In fact, the experience in Spain I share with him partially. This one
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' s not going to be studied, but it' s going to do
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a research stay. The book arises there because we meet. It was the
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nineteenth year that ended the period of Mauricio Macre, which is a period that
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my family went through with quite a lot. You' d say trouble.
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Then his departure was a turn in the University of gén doing research on by
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juicial and more had as his patacadémical also that it was like a kind of
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life of temporary escape, until they lowered a bit the foam, because the
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seventeen, eighteen and nineteen years were quite complicated in terms of the causes that
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it was necessary to investigate, not directly to the then President Macri, but
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although yes also but if not to the entire ecosystem of power that he had
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armed, then the government that we changed so that I know a little control
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of the public discussion, then he is in a sort of temporary exile of
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two or three months and we were in Barcelona, the one in Girona.
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So those are two kids who are very close to an hour train, hour
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and a half train. Then on weekends in general we met there. I
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shared flat, let' s say no, I didn' t have a
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space to welcome him out of pity, but I lived there. We talked,
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we walked and in the heart of those walks, of those coffees,
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of beers, of those meals drink a little TV, the promotion of Spanish,
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the only thing we could see on TV. We talked a lot about
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the themes that ended up being turned into the book. Then, when he
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returns that it is already full pandemic, he starts writing it and I was
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kind of by chance, because it could have been any of my brothers or
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my mom, his wife, which are subjects that we really talked about almost
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as family. You pushed the book or say you feel like not this comeback
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that had the idea already. Well, well, I had written before,
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no yes, yes, the about the injustice of the excuse the injustice was
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exact justice, perhaps what I did not, in any way, push it.
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He had his own thrust to such an extent that a. Sometimes you
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get tired of seeing them, no, but you don' t. No.
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I want to imagine he had his own push. But yes, I
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can say that I was part of the book' s workmanship. In conversations
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he sent me chapters, ideas, recommend readings, some references that he used
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quite a lot. We discovered them together while I was studying and researching my
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own subjects. We shared them, we shared them with each other. There
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' s also a lot he shared with my other older brother, who did
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a post degree together. Lots of talks with obviously my mom, with my
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younger brother, who is three, and also studied philosophy, so it'
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s a little bit. It' s a book of yours 100 percent,
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but each of you contributed a lot of your own. We play with Juan
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Delgado in this ecosystem in which we will recreate polytheia in the apostum work of
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Federico Delgado, a guy involved in the kitchen of legal situations. However,
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tremendously utopian, if you want in the best sense of the word. And
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since the idea arose there, in Barcelona or Catalonia, it is going to
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accompany us a Catalan shawl Monteuto day chased by nebrels, because they raised their
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ruilla and that, not being able to follow its path, they betrayed her
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and today, officials of the negotiation of dreams inside a gold of sorio of
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capar al cochino for that fattening help ride that turns us giants in miniature sweet
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like ours of every day. He wants to turn on the aurora that they
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have to heads of whitebirds that charmer and uses and the blessed by sorcerers and
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makes the blind see ah the talk subversive gold of what is commanded. The
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man who sends an incorrigible feilla, who doesn' t have enough with as
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much as possible adophia to win so it' s a revea. They want
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to put a chain on it, but who' s the one who makes
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the mountain pretty. Don' t be sorry that before the dogs arrive,
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it will be a good man to find her and take care of her until
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she denies in better days. If life would be mean to die pia.
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How I teak for those who know them by broken lero lero and went to
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light the body candles. We' re with Juan Delgado after listening to the
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nano Serrat and we' re still trying to figure out together the idea that
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led Federico Delgado to write Politeia. I have a lot of things I'
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ve been writing in the papers and sometimes, well, you don' t
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know where to go Juan, but there are concepts that make the book think
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more alive than ever. But let' s say I' m lucky to
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be reading the book simultaneously with the reality of what' s happening in the
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country. Not then do I write down political realism. It speaks of political
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realism, it does not speak of extraordinary particularism. The chapter on particularism,
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because it defines very well how that saiits. We talk about the finger,
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but somehow get out that lead the institutional structures of the countries. Gamonalism or
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granu monalism takes it as an example in Peru. But it is good that
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the entire American continent is stained by that way of conducting factual normivism. And
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it makes an extensive chapter on exceptionalities. Not that almost as if we live
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on an exceptional path in a kingdom of meaning, the invisible party, the
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political party in visible, wonderful, wonderful, we are somehow living the consequence
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of a party that did not exist and that now exists. But in truth,
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power remains invisible and it is shown through these facts that we are seeing
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economic monarchies and so the book is written before Miley' s triumph. But
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it raises that eye that perhaps we can become close to the existence of economic
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monarchies very similar to this reality. The right to existence vindicates that idea that
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we must re- think that we all have the right to exist. Well,
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it' s a lot of stuff and, on the other hand,
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it also talks about anarchic corporativism very much like Miley' s anarcho- capitalist
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proposal. It is not all many concepts that he was taking from many readings.
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He was a person who read. While his work in part was reading,
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I believe that the added value of his judicial action was to stand from
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a point of passage with a theoretical baggage that he was very concerned about cultivating.
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It is not that he was a scholar but that he was a part
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of the worker of the insurer. Yeah, but that feeling in my control
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buys the concept. Yes, a person who, if faced with a subject
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on which you had to be labored, was concerned to form as much as
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possible in that one in it and also that it lowers the discourse something we
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can no longer understand. Everything doesn' t have to be an academic issue.
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It' s totally because deep down, his concern is I think that,
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beyond all the concepts that you pointed out that some have more or less
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hierarchy in the book that are all important, the thread that runs through all
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of his work. Beyond this book, when I say work, I say
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it in the sense of the work performed written, spoken is a call to
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the reconstruction of a social fabric with participation and citizen concern. Although he points
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out this mechanism of expropriation of citizen power by means of elites of the economic
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monarchy, which is a concept that even the issue of Rubelt, the first
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Rumblet, when antitrust laws began in the United States, were said although his
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text is clearly counterproductive with many of the things of the qubo status and make
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it a transformative sense to recover much of what democracies promise as a normative horizon
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and end up not fulfilling. It' s not that he' s a
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person who only reads radical authors. It' s, as I was saying,
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a person who was foaming with recognition. And all that doesn' t
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come from the outside. Let' s say he doesn' t throw stones,
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no, he' s not inside. No, and well, there
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' s a lot of self- criticism about him, too, a lot
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of his problems with the judiciary, the judicial system, or the judicial family,
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as he has a book, yes, I think he' s the
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one who wrote with Catherine de Lea that sends him a kiss. It is
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also a kind of part of something he himself denounced in the sense that he
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worked in a system from which he tried not to reproduce his privileges and his
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distance from citizenship, nor to reproduce the logic to which, through which he
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allowed judgment, to intervene in matters that have nothing to do with justice.
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But, logically, being within that same judicial power, it generated many resquemors.
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Yeah, no, sure, well, he was a freak, not
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a toad from another well, too. No, yeah, when he said
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he didn' t have a suit for example, no, Federico didn'
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t have a suit. No. No, no, no, I never
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saw him in a suit, I never once believed in a marriage and with
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how many years of work in the prosecution, because and he I think it
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was almost thirty. Because, moreover, he never wanted to ascend either,
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he did not want to appear in competitions to be a judge nor to his
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vocation was that to remain a federal prosecutor. No. Yeah, yeah,
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well, the judicial system basically stops to progress, yeah, hierarchically, you
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have to run. Then you get a job, you can move on from
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prosecutors, to chamber decal, or it also happens in a dynamic where you
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are always thinking about the next position to fill and you are not focused on
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what you have. Not because they' re always as in expectation of where
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they' re going to get to, and actually, I think he felt.
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I don' t know if it' s comfortable, because it wasn
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' t something that generated it. It gives him a lot of comfort,
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he suffered much more than he enjoyed. I guess your work and your mistake,
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but the concept of prosecutors is elaborate from society. Let' s say
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the causes that intervene with the State. The prosecutor is the one who accuses,
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the one who defends the interests of those commons in the papers. I
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think he tried to get as close as possible to that, that the paper
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indicated to him that you have to do and you feel like a son,
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that some cause mobilized him, which changed the axis, for example, the
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tragedy of Bonce, because they are another like the bribes in the Senate.
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I think it was a lot of very grumbling causes. What may have affected
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him is in his daily life, exposure. He was very young in the
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cause of the Senate, the coima of the Senate, I forgave myself and
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then there are several years in which, although he has important causes, they
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are not media riots. For example, the causes about the debts of leso
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humanity, which many shared with the Justice Calco, the Case of Eleven,
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as you say, but I believe that their media explosion if you want is
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in the context of the Government of Cristina, with the cause of Eleven and
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the text of Macri' s Government, with the subject of pana paper and
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a lot of other causes that go down by lot also knows something that.
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Many times people do not know, but the cases in the judicial system are
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drawn and they fall. Perhaps many times there are questionable, There are questionable
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draws, but to all those that touched him it is not that he grabbed
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them because he wanted or for an opportunity to be the Public Prosecutor of the
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Republic, without that one did not start of ex officio because he promoted them,
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but to see. I don' t know if any of them have,
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either, but in general, that' s the way it works.
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It is believed that a complaint in general of someone of the civil society is
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drawn to each prosecutor touched a judge once a year and here judge is a
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prosecutor and is labored that cause, then he had as a kind of if
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you want fortune, that or bad fortune, as you want to see that
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several causes followed were very mediatic, because, being federal prosecutor, they are
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crimes in general of which the media feed, obviously not yes. Also,
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in a context where, as hard pi clearly is a cave of impunity in
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many aspects, then clear someone who wants to put to work and investigate like
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that and surely was very uncomfortable for many and well, I also think that
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more than that was his preaching of basically having a plain life, a life
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there is an ethic behind the functioning of each, not fundamental uncomfortable for those
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who his hides one feels that he has something personal. Probably in his village
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he will be remembered as puppies of good people who steal flowers to give their
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mother and feed the pigeons. Probably all of that must be true, although
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it is more harsh as and in what way those individuals came to do what
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they are or who they serve. When they raise the flag straw men who
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use the colony and honor, var hide dark without intention, they have double
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life, they are hit men of the sea. Between those guys and me
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to something personal, surrounded by traffic protocol and security, travel undercover in armored
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cars to sow slander, to lie naturally, to hang their portrait in schools,
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they spend more than they have on collecting spies, blacklists and arsenals.
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It' s eight years old to see them bragging about who' s got
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the biggest one. They pounce to their teeth in the name of peace,
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they play with things that have no spare and the fault is with each other.
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If anything goes wrong. Between those guys and me there is something personal
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and like the one who nothing has to lose, they press the alarm and
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break the tests and in the name of those who don' t like to
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know, they put the gun on our heads and hold on to their hairs,
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but to get dirty they will shit other people' s house and experience
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so new methods of more sacred, sophisticated and at the same time convincing.
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They don' t even know their father when they lose control or remember that
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there is a child in the world. They deny us all the bread and
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salt between those guys and there' s something personal, but that' s
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just hit men don' t miss a chance. It must declare publicly its
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commitment to a dialogue of frank détente that will hopefully produce a brevious framework that
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says minimum premises. What makes it easy to create the springs that drive a
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solid starting point and capable of this to you North Desur. Where I will
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lay the foundations of a treaty of friendship that contributes to putting some peppers of
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a platform, where to dinify a beautiful future of love. We are in
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the ecosystem of Politella, the work of Federico Delgado. Chatting with Juan after
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having listened to the nano earlier with something personal because I just don' t
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know why we were talking about as dorop of the causes that Federico had to
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carry and well we thought about this song. I don' t know by
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chance, but let' s get back to Politeia' s work a little
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bit, because he' s a deeply republican being, he thinks of democracy
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as a Republican key. Federico and Well, clearly we go to the French
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Revolution and to the three concepts, that of freedom, equality and fraternity.
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And he understands that this thing about individual freedom, this thing that the neoliberal
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lists have put through the presence of the market, has taken off the freedom
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of the other two founding elements such as equality and fraternity. And unfortunately,
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these democracies all they do is manufacture unequal ones, not exactly yes and not
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provide for fraternity or encounter or if they want to be able to understand to
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the other what happens to them, yes, there is topic. I think
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that this is sometimes thought dichotomically when the issue is a little more complicated.
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Separate freedom equality does not imply the non- existence of individual freedom, but
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precisely when he mentions what you said a little while ago, the right of
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existence is that the democratic republics, because there are soliarchic republics and democratic republics.
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Basically, it is the extent of people and the population involved in the
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management of common affairs. It is a definition and freedom is up to what
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it goes hand in hand, what is the extension of that freedom, because
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one does have the means to participate in the management of common affairs, one
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cannot give oneself its own law, which is basically the question that defines Western
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democracies. The language of law is the language of democracies and democracies work behind
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laws. And the joke of democracy is that, through your representatives, you
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indirectly participated in the management of that law. So individual freedom is not as
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much as a non- thinking of freedom and equality is not as much as
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a limitation of freedom, but just equality as a floor from which one can
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exercise that freedom without access to a food dwelling. Whatever it is in the
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historical situation you' re in, whatever it is you get to exist in,
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and therefore have some things resolved to be able to participate. That is
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the idea of freedom, equality and fraternity. Instead, it' s a
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concept to forgive me. It is not a concept that is perhaps simply the
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idea of universalizing that, that it is not freedom and equality for a part
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of the citizenry, because that would not be in terms of the social fabric
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and is not an ethically acceptable issue. Fraternity points to the legacy of French
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evolution is to universalize the sense that everyone fights, because everyone aspires to have
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a life of comfortable equality in order to exercise that freedom with which one is
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born. It' s not a matter of getting down to your fingers.
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As we have said before, I say advertisedly that the French were clear not
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to use those three words to say good. We' re going to reinvent
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a new system of government. Let' s put three words and we'
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re going after that not some clear, impressive flags and we' re still
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talking about ourselves crazy, of course, of course. So many years later,
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one continues to take into account these three concepts so as to be able
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to make a menjunje and from that to bring out a society where one can
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live clearly he manifests in the work Federico about and raises the contradiction of these
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constitutions that were generated following the French Revolution, where the preambles, where the
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conceptual and theoretical part speaks to you of wonderful possibilities, but that in concrete
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they do not give you all that that they are offering you. Let'
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s say theoretically, it' s very nice, but there are very few
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who can access what those constitutions are actually offering you. Okay. You'
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re a lawyer first thing I did the CBC of Law. But for people,
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but for people let' s say the first thing they tell you is
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that a constitution is not the law of everyday life. It is simply rights
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and the Bill of Rights and the Charter of Intentions. If you create a
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society that intends to do for the inhabitants of that soil, then one thing
35:30
is the promise, the Constitution of the thing is what we citizens do with
35:34
it. One of the people I think the lilo that told you about the
35:39
book is also thinking that there is a dissociation between classes, leaders, representatives,
35:44
entrepreneurs and citizenship on foot, but that at the same time it is
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one. It is a responsibility to take up that difference, those differences,
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that disparity, as a legacy of something that we are building. Obviously,
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there are those who have great, great responsibilities in that and others who are
36:02
practically victims. The Constitution is a promise through which one has to think about
36:07
how to order society. That is why it is also for the purpose of
36:10
reforming a Constitution. We need so many conditions, so many parliamentary majorities,
36:15
because it is supposed to be the declaration of intentions and the promise for the
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inhabitants of a soil the Constitution of ours promises much more than we over the
36:22
years knew to give to us and it is like we are moving away from
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those promises. Well, yeah, or whatever we say about the subject is
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I' m closer to it. I believe that if one compares historically,
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there are periods in which one got closer and at least, he identifies.
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Me. In this I share one hundred percent of the last military civic dictatorship
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as a moment where transforming moment in a non- democratic sense, of the
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re of the Argentine reality is not expropriated. Much of the political participation,
36:59
economic partición and a discipline of the society is generated, this inherent conflict of
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the Argentine society behind the blood of fire. Then there are times that may
37:10
mark many epochs and that we continue to drag behind us, perhaps also because
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we have not given him such a frank discussion on this issue that it involves
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all of us who also participate in this, because it is as he says,
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as it is usually said, this country will not fix itself because ten
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or twelve geniuses come up with how to do it to show the best laws
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in the exact world if one can even pass the best law in the world
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with two hundred and twenty deputies and thirty- six senators, that does not
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mean that this law later modify something in the daily life in Argentina and the
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promise of the Constitution is also an obligation, if you want or an invitation
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to participation. For us, of course, many are surprised by the reality
37:54
we are living, even from outside the country. You see us strangely saying
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with the political culture that you have. Yes, yes, it' s
38:07
worrying because Argentina. I do not believe in that myth that there is much
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talk now about Argentina power at the beginning of the 19th century, of the
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Fine century, but main twenty. That' s statistically, it' s
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bought that it wasn' t. There is much, even the date itself
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that arises, there are many questions to discuss, but there are times when
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Argentinas did better than people lived a little better, with their problems, with
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their deficits, yet and even not ruling democracy, even so, one thinks
38:36
of the finels of the sixties, for example, with all the political conflict
38:43
that improtated, even the Cordoba or all that they promoted. From an industrial
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country that was pushing to improve its conditions, poverty levels, we stood,
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the standard of living was high. Yes, that' s why the Argentine
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reality is also a little distressing, because it generates a feeling of not being
39:09
able to go out, paste, be worse and worse to say good.
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This may be so, it' s a spiral into decay and I think
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a little bit of the historical exercise of thinking at what point things were a
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little different. As you say your own deficits too. Because also if you
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ask me if I wish I were born to be young in sixty- nine,
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and the truth may not. One can idealize the cordobazo and to,
39:28
but also at the same time could send you a shot in the middle of
39:30
the street. Totally then there are advances in political violence. They were very
39:34
high exact you could poop in jail because you were a pamphlet in the backpack,
39:37
which now, fortunately, you didn' t. So there' s
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defenses in some places, even for tweeting. There have also been very complicated
39:45
situations because democracies expand and contract according to the pulse of citizen participation. I
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think that' s the central idea. Now there is a gender intent that
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the citizen does not participate. Let' s say there' s a mechanism
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maybe where it' s a little bit. It is a bit also why
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the denunciation of my law is so permeated, it has identified an issue that
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society, obviously, the anguish, which is the feeling that there is a
40:14
separate society that is the people who have privileges, that includes judges, political
40:17
entrepreneurs, and that it is a complaint that is difficult not to accept,
40:22
in part, its violent, anti- democratic solution. Besides, maybe I
40:27
don' t share it. But the social resentment that that generates then implies
40:32
the consequence in voting exactly if you permanently notice that you participate less in your
40:38
own life, say, that is, if you have access to less things,
40:43
less amenities, you live worse and worse. It' s likely to
40:47
generate him, generate him Bronca. Obviously, we are with Juan Delgado,
40:52
a taste we are giving ourselves in this ecosystem of polytheia, thinking of Federico.
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We think that everything happens and everything happens and everything remains, but ours
41:07
is to pass, to pass, to make paths, to make paths over
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the sea. I never followed the glory nor left in the memory of men
41:28
my song. I love the subtle worlds ungrateful and gentiles like pampas of master.
41:45
I like to see them paint soligree, roll under the blue sky,
41:54
shake suddenly and break. Never go after her glory. Walkers are your tracks
42:09
on the road and nothing more walking. There' s no way. You
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make your way, you walk, you walk, you make your way,
42:20
and when you look back you see the path that you will never walk again,
42:27
there are no paths, but steps in the mother. Some time ago
42:34
in that place where today the woods are dressed in slips, the voice of
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a poet was heard to scream. Walker, there' s no way.
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If he makes his way to slinging a blow to soft kisses died the well
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poe is far from home, it covers me the dust of a neighboring country.
43:06
As they walked away they saw the loran walking, there is no way,
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it makes way when walking blow to blow see soft so? When the
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gilguer cannot sing, when the poet is a pilgrim, when it is of
43:34
no use to challenge a walker, there is no way, he makes his
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way to life. One blow at a time see your see so? Blow
43:47
- knocked kiss to see so? Did you beat me up? The letter
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of machado no and the voice of the great anus Cerrat to do this little
44:09
tribute to a guy I did not know personally, but who I admire and
44:15
who I appreciate very much through his work now and that we have the great
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pleasure to bring here through his son, Juan Juan how many years you have,
44:23
I have 26 actors, twenty- six you are really a asshole and
44:31
how it was that you decided to study politics, let' s say,
44:37
and the reality is that, as I told you before, he was a
44:43
little pushed by the discussions that we had in my case at home, because
44:45
my old one from an older brother. I have two brothers, an older
44:45
one who studied sociology, which we did, we have very little difference from
44:50
then on. We did the races at the same schools very close and I
44:53
have a minor hand that is finishing philosophy. We all became quite difficult to
44:58
employ with the career we studied. But my old man also studied law and
45:01
political science. But my old lady studied law first. Then hench is communication.
45:06
Then I think the cliso was talking a little bit. Nothing about the
45:08
suri has not been clear about the silence. Yeah, they' re good,
45:15
we were five hours, we' re four people who really want to
45:17
argue all the time. So that family climate bit me and Federico' s
45:22
disappearance was interpretative. How you lived it. Well, he died of cancer,
45:32
that the word cancer in general one as soon as they tell him in
45:36
society for pity of death. He, while the first diagnoses were relatively optimistic
45:42
and the thing the first half of last year went almost well with many complications.
45:52
The disease led to a bureaucracy and a family effort that I did not
45:58
know and that I now greatly appreciate the things that other people do with sick
46:04
relatives, especially my old friends, accompanied by labors. The truth is that
46:08
it is a terrible situation, but it also shows you how much collaboration can
46:15
help you. Too bad he couldn' t get out. He once had
46:19
a very sudden improvement in something that, obviously, was not being detected,
46:22
had not been detected and perhaps if the fall was said in two months.
46:28
It was relatively strong and fast. He' d had an accident. I
46:31
thought I' d had that excident and when it was with the bike,
46:35
no yes yes, the other peeled it was quite complicated. Yeah, yeah,
46:38
he flew out or he was tripped, flew out and landed with his
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face. Many thought it had even been an attack. Yeah, yeah.
46:45
There was that version. I' m never gonna know. You weren'
46:47
t here, I wasn' t there every time because it was long before
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I left. But yes. You' re never gonna see it, but
46:53
he didn' t think it was an attack, but I don' t
46:59
know if he saw it. He had tried to find out or not.
47:00
I believe that now the book does not give anywhere the feeling of a person
47:06
who is sick or melancholy or who is writing this for the last time,
47:14
if it is not a tenacious optimism yes, yes yes, until the last
47:21
word I would totally tell you that until the last day, we, the
47:25
last weeks, perhaps the last month, had started making a podcast that is
47:30
called The Tseo Wire with him and my brothers. We' ve got to
47:34
find him. Yeah, they can look it up in Spotify and on Twitter,
47:37
which we have the only one coming back. But even the day before
47:42
that one died, which was a Saturday. I saw him on Saturday afternoon,
47:44
forgiveness from Friday afternoon and he was already feeling pretty bad, although maybe
47:47
it wasn' t so obvious that the next day he was going to die,
47:51
but he looked bad enough. His concern is the next day and we
47:53
had to like recording then until the last minute, he left what he could
48:00
to chat these topics What conviction? What beautiful conviction? Returning to the play,
48:06
I say he makes a similarity to Matrix in the idea of the blue
48:12
pill and the red pill. So, when I was reading, I'
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m finally saying that Argentina finally took the red leg. It' s just
48:22
that even the metaphor for the red blue matter pill is also something the new
48:24
right ones use. The other right in your online digital discussion. There is
48:30
a book by Pablo Estefanni that is very interesting, which is called in question
48:35
format if rebellion became right, which is a metaphor that they on too,
48:38
but felt exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite for them, normality is this
48:43
sort of asphyxiating egalitarianism that does not allow human beings and heterosexual men to progress
48:50
and develop. And the red leg is like good to understand that the world
48:53
goes through the market side and this is what we know. He grabs her
48:59
the other way around that' s in what we live in. I see
49:01
it far from an egalitarian self- pity, I see it as an all
49:07
- embracing inequality poverty, sadness and violence throughout the American continent. So the
49:09
red pill is a metaphor that uses it. To understand also not that a
49:15
magic solution comes by being a pill, but to gain the awareness that absolute
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everything if and every one of the problems we have are solved in more participation
49:23
and more discussion in instances like this. Nor is it necessary to be a
49:28
deputy or a senator to participate in the life of everyday life, such as
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management and government and participation in everyday life is what makes the difference, yes,
49:37
the great step from legal democracies to participatory democracies or representative democracies to participatory
49:43
democracies. Representation itself is not a mistake, nor is it a vice of
49:50
democracy. It is perhaps the only way, if not forty- seven million.
49:53
A permanent Assembly would be, I do not know if impossible, but
49:59
difficult to execute. Sometimes you think that with technological advances, digitization, that
50:02
everyone with their phone and everything could be voted in another way. But there
50:09
' s also like a Spotify effect on what you vote for, because today
50:15
I vote one thing, tomorrow I vote another. Nor is there a knowledge
50:19
and continuity about something, but we can also be a vane of any interest
50:24
that is turning through the medium. That passage between what representatives say and do,
50:29
is also part of this envy of logic of representation. Indeed, presentation
50:35
implies a mandate and mandate on which account is held. And I' ll
50:39
vote for you, Luis, accused so that, for example, you'
50:45
ll open more schools and the first thing you do is to vote that it
50:46
closes in schools, that is, exactly the opposite. Even the Constitution is
50:50
provided for. The Constitution promise implies that one can control those representatives. There
50:53
in the book, when he talks about particularism, I rightly argued and having
51:00
been a party to the trial for bribes in the Senate that even the same
51:07
system absorbs the person who confessed to having generated the illicit as if a confession
51:15
was not enough. Of course exactly how the system is handled up to these
51:22
extremes that you don' t, it doesn' t matter that you confess
51:28
exactly the same we forgive you, because the system has to remain that exact.
51:31
It' s a deficit we have as a democracy. The normal functioning
51:37
and adherence to the norm goes to the redundancy of the institutions, which will
51:44
not only arise to the extent that there is a civil demand for that to
51:45
happen. There is much use at the convenience of that fasaje among the promise
51:52
of the condition of reality. It is almost part of political culture, which
51:54
is a concept. From Jeraste that he also uses a lot when you hurt
51:58
him. This little operation usually comes out the denunciations of many political spaces.
52:01
When it does not benefit, then there is obviously no great consensus around this
52:06
discussion. Perhaps he is more opportunist than of conviction. When I see that
52:13
when the Supreme Court, to say a very very clear and very everyday example,
52:16
intervenes a question for the good or for the evil of some, when
52:22
someone maligns it, it is a great act that does not have to be
52:25
pursued by the judicial. When someone harms him, it' s a judicial
52:29
intervention. The issue that does not belong to him, and that happens year
52:31
after year, depends and changes according to which government. If I listened to
52:35
him in an interview that made him talk about justice should be the one that
52:42
moderates the other two powers, but he often forgets about that process of modeling
52:45
and goes into playing also within the system of powers exactly, and justice,
52:51
that way should be the one that moderates the executive and the judicial, putting
52:53
justice in another place. What you have to do is be a judge,
52:58
not play the exact game. To be a referee. Basically, when someone
53:01
runs what has to be pointed out is as simple as that. Juancito,
53:06
we' re saying goodbye, but I wanted in the end that you could
53:10
somehow tell me what Federico' s legacy is in voice and in his work.
53:19
If I had to say it. In short, it should be that
53:21
his legacy is a genuine concern to leave this apathy yes in which many times
53:30
the economic and material reality of each one of us immerses us and understand that
53:37
we have to go out and take care of the things that we have to
53:40
change, that each one will have to do. As I say, you
53:44
don' t have to be a deputy and people or genormar a party to
53:47
intervene in everyday life. His concern was for a more just world, a
53:52
world with less sadness, a little more joy, so I think his legacy
53:57
is that fighting for a world like that, John, thank you so much
54:01
for this time we love one of enormous knowing you. I think there'
54:06
s a generation coming up with a lot of work ahead and a lot to
54:12
do. And well, you' re going to be part of that generation
54:17
that' s going to take your old man' s legacy. Well,
54:21
I appreciate your lesclimitation and I think programs with these are just what he meant.
54:24
With this get involved and participate and bring the sand cry, because he
54:29
said that maybe a little tasks, but the beaches make many reintegrans totally,
54:34
totally. Yes, yes, yes, I often think of the idea of
54:37
that pigeon carrying its drop of water to pay for the fire. I know
54:43
she' s not gonna pay for it alone, but she did what she
54:45
had to do exactly, exactly. Thank you, Juan, I still like
54:50
Juan Delgado with us in the ecosystem of Politeia, remembering Prosecutor Federico Delgado.
54:54
In this ecosystem we thank Damián Rago, of course, for the production of
54:59
Reboa meline in the technical operation. My name is Luis del Giovanino. If
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you had a good time, pass saintly and sign and I recommend to politeia
55:08
look for it is in all the bookstores. They won' t regret it.
55:12
Looks like it' s written tomorrow until all the time. Chao Chan,
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I would give up achak or mesa or sua or bad in s or
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yours I could or had thought jack or a cave well kill him ship by
57:44
a good dead great wach for his death count money of astiment of ducts or
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s o s o o tente or toast in this our center so much every
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doctor are so s o