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The Real Black Mirror II | Optics, Oracles & the Nervous System w/ Kaiva Rose & The Occult Rejects · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: I too?
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  Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome back to Magus in the media.
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  Speaker 4: This evening being that of the Moon's day, I hope
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  Speaker 4: everyone has had a fantastic day as of that during
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  Speaker 4: this fine Monday, June fifteenth. In the strange and odd
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  Speaker 4: world that we seem to find ourselves in today, the matrix,
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  Speaker 4: some deem it, others see it as their own fantasy
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  Speaker 4: playground realm. But in the end, if we can understand
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  Speaker 4: that we're all just lockstep and key trying to break
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  Speaker 4: ourselves free and into that next realm, the highest versions
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  Speaker 4: of ourselves, then we can all understand exactly why and
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  Speaker 4: how we're doing all the things that we do. One
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  Speaker 4: of those things is, even if you don't think it,
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  Speaker 4: you do have one of those crazy scrying stones in
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  Speaker 4: your pocket, So you too are your own sovereign magician
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  Speaker 4: or is it that which isn't trapping you? That is
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  Speaker 4: the conversation that we are going to have, and I
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  Speaker 4: am very lucky to have such a brilliant conversation on
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  Speaker 4: the real Black Mirror. Part two Optics, Oracles and the
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  Speaker 4: Nervous System and right next to me, Kaiva Rose, how
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  Speaker 4: are you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great, Thank you. I'm glad to be back.
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  Speaker 1: This conversation's fun, and I think we got to a
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  Speaker 1: really good spot last time. And I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: perfect entrance for Nick, who's going to drop some amazing
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  Speaker 1: stuff on stuff he's been studying and nerding out on.
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  Speaker 1: We love that, and so I'm excited to learn about
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  Speaker 1: the optics and the eye and all that stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to.
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  Speaker 4: This brilliant we are looking forward to as well. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: we really kind of broke it down really well. What
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  Speaker 4: this black mirror, this ancient scrying stone? Maybe modern technology
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  Speaker 4: from our part number one, which everyone should go back to.
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  Speaker 4: But for part number two, Cardinal Head Electric Cardinal Electric
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  Speaker 4: Head himself, the occult Rejack, Nick, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: How are you good? Good?
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me on. I'm very
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  Speaker 5: excited for this, both of these too. It's gonna be fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: brilliant you're doing so I'm glad to be a part
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  Speaker 5: of it.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Nick.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Nick.
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  Speaker 4: And we do live in such a strange world. What
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  Speaker 4: did we what did.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of get to?
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  Speaker 4: What do we kind of get to last time, Kaiva,
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  Speaker 4: I think we talked about exactly what black mirrors or
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  Speaker 4: these ancient scriing stones are being some very beautiful obsidian
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  Speaker 4: scrying surfaces that then is polished down, and then before
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  Speaker 4: then they used to use water and different surfaces to
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  Speaker 4: kind of help reflect themselves.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, well, I think the concept of
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  Speaker 1: like past grind devices specifically like yeah, the black obsidian stone,
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  Speaker 1: but also the metals was that when we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about scrindstones, we're talking about one singular property, like an
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  Speaker 1: object with one single property, right, So the occult value
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  Speaker 1: of obsidian and metal is very specific to a single planet,
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  Speaker 1: a single star. You can put sigils on it, you
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  Speaker 1: can make it very much for a device that you
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  Speaker 1: want to do divination from. But when we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: what we've kind of kind of come to the conclusion
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  Speaker 1: of now is how different phones are. They still have
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  Speaker 1: the black screen, but they're not actually the black mirror
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  Speaker 1: because there are so many multifaceted things that are happening
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  Speaker 1: inside of these little devices. So we don't actually understand
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  Speaker 1: the occult principles of the device itself because there's so
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  Speaker 1: many mechanical bits in there, there's copper, there's probably all
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  Speaker 1: different sites of leads, and you know, probably sigils and
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I think last time
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  Speaker 1: what we kind of came to the conclusion was was
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  Speaker 1: that the phones are actually hypnotic devices, right, devices to
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  Speaker 1: put us in a hypnotic state of impression. That because
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  Speaker 1: the way we think about the pulses of the light
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  Speaker 1: and how it hits your eye, how to hit your
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  Speaker 1: third eye, we don't actually understand fully what is happening,
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  Speaker 1: but we do now that there were studies in MK ultra, right,
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  Speaker 1: we do know that they've been working on how to
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  Speaker 1: crack the human you know, in human brain, and how
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  Speaker 1: to code and all that kind of stuff. So I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where we got to. But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important that that distinction of like one single property of
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  Speaker 1: a metal is so different than this phone thing that
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  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 4: No, Yeah, thank you. It was a beautiful little summary
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  Speaker 4: of what we kind of got to with the understanding
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  Speaker 4: that there's the ability to tap into by using these
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  Speaker 4: elements around us like obsidian, you know, water, a reflective
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  Speaker 4: surface that helps us kind of tap into those things
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  Speaker 4: that we can't normally see, and then to be able
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  Speaker 4: to kind of witness things out in the world. It's
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  Speaker 4: either can be different things like a projection from the
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  Speaker 4: in realm outwardly, or it has the ability to kind
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  Speaker 4: of reflect off of the area within or and to
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  Speaker 4: see things past your own personal.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff that's going on.
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  Speaker 4: And then that moves through time, and this technology is
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  Speaker 4: to be able to tap into other realms and you
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  Speaker 4: get magicians and scientists and people using it throughout the
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  Speaker 4: years up until right now with the cell phone, the smartphone,
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  Speaker 4: but then also all the different other understandings of optics,
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  Speaker 4: the oracular perception and how it interacts with the nervous
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  Speaker 4: system and Nicholas, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: What do you really?
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  Speaker 4: How do you feel about these the ancient scrying stone,
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  Speaker 4: how it interacts with the eye and whatnot. And then
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  Speaker 4: the fucking phones of today, like you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Like and how those things are doing crazy shit.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I find them both rather interesting and almost kind
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  Speaker 5: of creepy. The same thing Like that was in saying
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  Speaker 5: before the show, the cell phone seems to almost be
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  Speaker 5: the complete opposite of a scrime, makes it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: More negative in my opinion.
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  Speaker 5: But the interesting thing though, even with this descrying mirror,
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  Speaker 5: really scrying with anything, and I guess, like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe we would have the same effects on the phone
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  Speaker 5: possibly is that you know, like eventually you know our
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  Speaker 5: brains and the way they work and with our eyes
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  Speaker 5: if you can't see something like obviously, if you're scrying
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  Speaker 5: like in a.
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  Speaker 2: Bowl of water or tea or.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the black mirror or stone, it's not going
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  Speaker 5: to be one hundred percent clear, So whatever whatever, you
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  Speaker 5: can't necessarily make out because your brain is like so
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  Speaker 5: set and preserving its life that like in case it
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  Speaker 5: might be like, oh I need to know because it
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  Speaker 5: might be dangerous. It's going to try to like give
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  Speaker 5: you an image regardless, so.
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  Speaker 2: It may not always be correct.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, even that thing right there, I would like,
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  Speaker 5: even just staring into a black screen with stuff can
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  Speaker 5: start to affect with you see, yea flashing lights flicker,
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  Speaker 5: you know the flicker rates with the phones. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they obviously can affect you too, you know, but even
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  Speaker 5: if you add like a flickering candle to like a
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  Speaker 5: scrying mirror, that could even start making you see stuff
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  Speaker 5: that's not technically the once you stuck and hurts a
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  Speaker 5: ten hurds flicker rate on a on a candle, can
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  Speaker 5: a stroke can make you start hallucinating.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, I've heard stuff like that. I've heard stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: The crazy thing with that, with the flicker aid and
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  Speaker 5: the hallucinating, you'll get a you'll get a cop It
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter if you're male, female, young, old, you're over
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  Speaker 5: in Africa, you're over here in America. They all saw
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  Speaker 5: the same ship, which really has to start making you wonder,
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  Speaker 5: you know, how does that happen? It must be obviously
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  Speaker 5: something inside us that's doing that. But you will see spirals.
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  Speaker 5: What you see quite often an old art, you'll see
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  Speaker 5: checkered patterns. Sometimes it almost looks like a checkerboard floor.
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  Speaker 5: They said, certain geometric sacred geometry shapes will pop up starbursts,
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  Speaker 5: so like even the you know, and then and then
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  Speaker 5: like in the same studies stuff that I was looking
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  Speaker 5: at with this flicker rate, they're also finding out that
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  Speaker 5: if you go into like a cave and some of
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  Speaker 5: the art now that they're finding, if you get the
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  Speaker 5: candle like whatever you got in there to flicker a
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  Speaker 5: certain way, it starts to animate the stuff on the wall.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of those that they found with the animations
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  Speaker 5: have spirals designs on them, so they're wondering, is that
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  Speaker 5: even did they even put that in there? Because they
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  Speaker 5: remember seeing that from the flickering flame. Wow, they're already
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  Speaker 5: incorporating the spiral into something that gets animated by a flame.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they're questioning if that is a corre leaf.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can, you can. People will can definitely hallucinate
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  Speaker 5: the same stuff. One thing I just want to throw
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  Speaker 5: in real quick for people into the paranormal. You know,
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  Speaker 5: as I was covering and reading it, as I was
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  Speaker 5: recording it, I guess like because I was just so
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  Speaker 5: much just.
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  Speaker 2: Being biased and just looking at the facts, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really kind of realizing what I was doing.
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  Speaker 5: But they have that that mask that a lot of
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  Speaker 5: paranormal people are starting to use now that has like
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  Speaker 5: those It might be from the Gan Flicker thing, I
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  Speaker 5: can't remember. It almost looks like two bowls like cut
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  Speaker 5: and put over your eyes and will flash like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ye stuff on there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gonna make you. You be sitting in a
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  Speaker 5: room by yourself, you could be in a haunted house.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter where you are. It's going to make
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  Speaker 5: you see and here shit regardless.
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  Speaker 3: M hm.
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  Speaker 5: So if you're going to a paranormal spot or you
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  Speaker 5: think it's paranormal, the experiences you're having are probably paranormal
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  Speaker 5: coming from you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the place and you're perfect to the place.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hate to say, you're probably doing false readings
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  Speaker 5: because you're having the experience and not the building.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fascinating. Well, that exactly talks about what Robert
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  Speaker 4: Antoni and then this Prometheus rising is all about, which
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  Speaker 4: then stems from that eight circle subconsciousness theories. Is that
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  Speaker 4: what the thinker thinks, the prover proves right, and so
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  Speaker 4: you will wrap around entire narratives and into that universe
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  Speaker 4: if you think yourself into it. And now think about
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  Speaker 4: how what you're saying is like even more than that,
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  Speaker 4: they're adding a tech onto themselves which is supposed to
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  Speaker 4: help them with what they're doing. But then not only
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  Speaker 4: is it that, it's then could be possibly creating the
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  Speaker 4: actual thing that then they're experiencing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that will. Uh, that's a big thing.
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  Speaker 5: I try to press the try to push that a
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  Speaker 5: lot with a lot of my mechanics and magic stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Expectation is kind of what it's called I guess in
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  Speaker 5: an academic and that I would look at as the
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  Speaker 5: same thing as us setting our intention. Yeah, so now
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  Speaker 5: when you go and set your attention that I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to go scry for this reason or they even have
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  Speaker 5: psycho anteum with a lot of people will use that
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  Speaker 5: to contact a dead person. Right, So, now when your
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  Speaker 5: eye starts to play tricks on you, your brain has
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  Speaker 5: already been kind of put in the box or in
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  Speaker 5: this mathematical equation that if I got to figure out
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  Speaker 5: what's going on, well, he already told me that we're
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  Speaker 5: doing this for.
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  Speaker 2: X Y and Z, so almost fit within X Y
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  Speaker 2: and Z.
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  Speaker 5: So now I'm gonna make you think it fits in
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  Speaker 5: that when it may not actually be the truth, Like
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  Speaker 5: your intentions are giving you the fucking answer because of
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  Speaker 5: the way you set the intentions.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: May not be right though, but you've.
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  Speaker 5: Somehow you convinced you it is because that's the parameters
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  Speaker 5: you told me to work with.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: Expectation is just huge on how people are going to
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  Speaker 2: view things.
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  Speaker 5: If you were to walk into a church for the
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  Speaker 5: first time and not be told it was a church,
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  Speaker 5: and just thought it was a regular place and then
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  Speaker 5: you were brought to a place and they try to
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  Speaker 5: give you an idea of what religion is, and then
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  Speaker 5: you walked in, you'd probably be like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: you know so much more the way because now you've
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  Speaker 5: been told it means something. Yeah, so your expectations that
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  Speaker 5: this is important before you walk into the place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that even goes to like just the phone itself
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  Speaker 1: as an imprinting device, right, because if you think about it, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I was the type
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  Speaker 1: of person where I didn't have a television for a
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  Speaker 1: really long time. I was totally removed from pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really have in much of technology until the smartphone, right,
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, with the smartphone, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm totally back in the circuit of
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  Speaker 1: this pop culture what's happening in the world sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see what it said, honest.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I like what you're saying. But it says
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  Speaker 4: that it helps that you're in the middle.
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  Speaker 6: Oh thanks, Yeah, But yeah, just like that idea that
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  Speaker 6: they had to get us back into this imprinting you know,
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  Speaker 6: system that we removed ourselves from, right, And so I
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  Speaker 6: think there is something like even in the matrix, right,
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  Speaker 6: like you want to suggest things knowing that people are
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  Speaker 6: going to take your suggestions.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're kind of like bopping them back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to go straight, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: if I put this over here, put this over here,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna bop off either side and continue to go straight. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this idea that they can through these phones. We're
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  Speaker 1: almost in a maze, right, We're almost in like hypnotic
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  Speaker 1: maze that we think we're walking, you know, just we're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just using my phone and that's like.
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  Speaker 5: Are you though, I been saying before with expectation, that's
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  Speaker 5: the same thing as.
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  Speaker 1: Your I mean, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Normally like to look at it's expected to want to
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  Speaker 5: see more of this ie you guys prior, and I
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  Speaker 5: think this really you know, I'll bring it up now
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  Speaker 5: when you're talking about the phone imprinting on you. I
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  Speaker 5: have a series that I did where I covered drumming
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  Speaker 5: because it's very trending to get the body into a
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  Speaker 5: trance as the mechanics of magic, and like the last
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  Speaker 5: half of the second part I did in a weird way,
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  Speaker 5: but I think it's just it's very you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: very on point. I took the drum and showed how
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  Speaker 5: like you know, at one point I even showed I
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  Speaker 5: got into how the drum was used even war propaganda.
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  Speaker 4: M Oh, for sure, you always got the little drummer
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  Speaker 4: boy somewhere. Yeah, yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of those things.
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  Speaker 5: Some of those drummings actually meant to do different things. So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even the mind of the soldiers is completely
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  Speaker 5: you know, different than what the people.
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  Speaker 3: But the drums of war, that's all I can think of.
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  Speaker 5: Get this repetitive thing that basically it lots you in
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  Speaker 5: and it kind of keeps a buffer away from fear
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  Speaker 5: or when it creeps in your body is like no,
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  Speaker 5: I gotta stay in this certain cadence.
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  Speaker 3: Just f off right now.
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  Speaker 5: I can't think about this, I gotta you know. So
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  Speaker 5: it's like a thing that interrupts you kind of saying
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  Speaker 5: this is nuts. Why am I doing this for a
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  Speaker 5: megnomaniac you know government?
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  Speaker 2: You know, right? Yeah, yeah, But I ended.
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  Speaker 5: Up showing how I do actually think that a lot
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  Speaker 5: of where the war, the war aspect, and not so
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  Speaker 5: much even the war just getting people excited and ready
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  Speaker 5: to go part of it has totally switched over to
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  Speaker 5: the phone, and I do think even the scrolling that
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  Speaker 5: starts to become your tempo.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, uh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Uh and then you find yourself if that happened and
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  Speaker 5: you keep going. Some people, if you pay attention, you
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  Speaker 5: might even notice between your scrolling and hitting the likes
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  Speaker 5: that all stucks. Like you know, that's the basic symbol
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  Speaker 5: now like some sort of repetitive thing and very much
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  Speaker 5: like I even covered, like singing bowls. That's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of times people will use this in uh in in
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  Speaker 5: ceremonies or initiations. When I was in the OTO, they
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  Speaker 5: used the singing bowl at the beginning of every you know, constantly,
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  Speaker 5: and I was even looking into that, and the studies
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  Speaker 5: with that shows that like because it rings and takes
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  Speaker 5: a while to go out, your brain will focus on that,
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  Speaker 5: and since it like kind of slowly disappears, it stays
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  Speaker 5: focused still because it's just like somehow it never stopped
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  Speaker 5: focusing because it slightly kind of went away. So like
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  Speaker 5: when they hit that that singing bell and the OTO
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  Speaker 5: before they do the gnosticness, it's basically leaving you focused
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  Speaker 5: for what's about to happen. Oh yeah, that the ring
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  Speaker 5: got you focused, and now it's kind of dissipated and
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  Speaker 5: you're stuck.
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  Speaker 2: You're stuck like.
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  Speaker 4: That, Yeah, and you can move it into it like
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  Speaker 4: you're moving from the you know, in through the liminal
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  Speaker 4: states into a whole another shifting of like your identity, identity,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, when those little little little
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  Speaker 4: chimes happened before this or that. It's it's the idea
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  Speaker 4: is the outward symbol is to make that shift of
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  Speaker 4: consciousness to tell you on a deep nervous system level
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  Speaker 4: that Okay, now we are moving into a different thing.
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  Speaker 4: And at the same time, then it's just like the
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  Speaker 4: Pavlovian dog, you know, like we I think it's so
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: important that we all recognize how we are so easily
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: manipulated and the biggest manipulator is ourselves. Now, then to
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: bring it back around to exactly what you're talking about
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: with what the thinker thinks, the prover proves, or like
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: I'm going to walk into this place to expect to
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: see some kind of spooky nature and it doesn't mean
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: that these things don't actually exist. Obviously, there are paranormal experiences,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: supernatural ones, so to speak. I think these words limit
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: us because they are all phenomenological, they all end up
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: being within the phenomenal realms somehow, and it takes place here.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Carl Jung had his own understanding of him and Freud
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: were sitting on a train and they were talking about
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: the differentiation between what Freud would call his psychological states
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: of its super ego and ego super ego ID and
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: everything's sexual repression blah blah blah. Carl Jung's talking about
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: the ideas of the collection of unconscious and the mystical states.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: And once you get past the sexual social sexual kind
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: of state and get into the mystical states, then we're
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: trying then we can get into pattern recognition, and we're
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: going to be able to tap into the collective onnious
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and then that's when forces of nature collide and then
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: we have these spectacular events. They were on the train
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: and as they're talking about that, and is the exact
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: same time, Carl Young talks about like something crazy. He's like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: make this happen. Now, a crash happened on the train.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: And then a little bit later Freud looked at him
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: and he's all like, well, the only way that we
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: would know if this work is if I could call
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: it out again, and he does. And so it's an
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: interesting thing that even Freud came to this position where
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: they can't lay claim to what is actually the interpretation
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: of said events. They could only understand it through different
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: models and realities and how we can see those events
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: and then like what it means to us on some
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: kind of individual level, and that goes back to the
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: scrying stones of the black mirror things through time. Is like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: it's so fascinating that I feel like it's only over
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the last couple hundred years that we've gotten away from
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: the magical technologies and started just you know, it's like
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: these things aren't old. We've been using scrindstones to interpret
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: events and then lay claim two worlds, you know, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: and so just think about how interesting it is that
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: we can like create worlds, whether there are our own
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: internal projections or something else that's intervening in those in
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: those time frames.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Is that?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Like yeah?
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, especially talking about like it's almost like
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: we had magical technology in the past and we don't
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: even use it anymore. And that's uh, I'm dying to
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: hear what you did, and so don't tell me what
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: it was on, But I'm dying to hear what you
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: did for Mario and Symbolic Studies. When it finally drops
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: for free, I'm gonna be oh, yeah, I can listen
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: to it. You know, I'll have to skip past Paranoid
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: American and what you your is and fucking yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah and uh and yeah, I want to hear what
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you did.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: But online I even included how like at first I
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: was just like, you know, giving the idea of like
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: what if these sigils and symbols actually affect us? And
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: then I went to go throw in there. He was
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: totally honest. I was like, this isn't a new idea.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: This is actually an idea that Daniel Bruno had, the
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Originatoria had. You could actually and people have supposedly they've
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: proved it, and there's been other people in the past
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: ocult this that you can almost have like a memory
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: for an encyclopedia memory just yeah, memory pelacy, Yeah, just
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: from staring at certain images.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Yep mm hmm ye.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: When it for like ninety days, they said you'd get results.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's interesting like when you go to a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: new location even you know, like when I travel, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: always feel like I'm getting a new download from like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: either it's some sort of like past life thing, or
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: maybe it's just like the information of you're at. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I think also to going back to like the old technologies,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Like what I was telling Brandon yesterday, it's like, because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: we've already experienced the phone, and we've already decide to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: use this part of our brain for said things, Like
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: we almost have to rewire that part of our brain
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to use it to see, you know, to scry or
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to see certain siguls in a certain way. Like it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is interesting to think about how when we open up
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: different pathways than in our brain, like and we don't
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: up on other ones, you know, how do how do
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: we go back to opening up those other pathways so
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that we can start to see black mirrors and understand
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: what the scrining is showing us versus being so used
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to watching our phones and seeing things that way. You know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like it's interesting how the brain operates the neuroplasticity of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the brain, right, Like we have the ability to reroute things,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but it definitely takes like a lot of effort.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's even something that I've even wondering
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: about since I've been covering. I covered something with the
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: moon and eclipses and stuff with the regular show, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: then I was doing like something to do with the
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: moon with Mechanics and Magic series. And you know when
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: you really saw going back. I mean, obviously they had
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: something back during the Renaissance and during those times, but
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: if you really were to like put us back a
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: few hundred years ago, do you know how different night
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: time would be? Yeah, like we're believe it or night
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: We actually have started reacting differently now, like even women
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: being supposedly tied to the moon, it's starting to change
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: because all the artificial light.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: So like we even like when you were saying how
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: you can change, we have actually started changing due to
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: the fact we're not even living in a normal dark
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: night like we.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Used to do.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's be real, for hundreds or even I
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: don't know how long, unless you had fire going, imagine
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: what it was like to go outside and it's just darkness.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I mean yeah, but that but even still think depending
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: on where you live, that could be death real quick.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Oh right, that's good.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: That's a good point, you know.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking, Yeah, the relationship to fear
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: then in that way where like did they fear more
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: or did they fear less? Because they were prepared to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: live in the darkness, you know what I mean? Because
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: like right now, like what if I go to the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: forest and it's like completely dark, Like I am probably
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit more fearful than somebody who back in
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the day was like, no, this is just normal.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: And their senses were attuned to everything around them at
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: the same time, you know, we atrophy these these.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Are we have how everything we don't use?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: You know how important moonlight was back then?
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Oh moon you could go out hunting and you can
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: at least see these mophos. You may not believe you
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: might have killed a dog instead of a wolf, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating enough. Did we talk about it Nick on
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: a Rejects episode or what was it where we were
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: talking about how some of or was it with Colin
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Concrete shout out American esoteric? The idea is that some
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: of the Masonic places only could get to that something
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: about like they for certain secret societies or magical institutions,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: they could only go out to a certain place at moonlight.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: So that's when they held their their lodge meetings. So
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that's a fascinating idea, and it is interesting, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: because then interesting enough getting into the science fiction and
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: fantasy stuff. Is that and not just so we know
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: reality is stranger than fiction. Because the idea is that
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: with scrying, you can use the moon in the night
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: sky to send messages through space time to some other place.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That's what they used to do back in the day.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Where was that, Yeah, that was in Agrippa. So in
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Agrippa he talks about how sieged cities would be able
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to send messages through the moon. And honestly, in my mind,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I know this is kind of crazy, but I always
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: think about, like how do the like how do the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: world leaders get messages to each other? Nowadays? Knowing that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: everything's tapped right, So like if I'm trying to send
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a message, like what if like Trump and Putin are
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: actually in conversation with the moon, you know what I mean?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Because like, how are you going to talk to somebody
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: who like literally you can't talk to you, Like, are
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you sending them pigeons? Are you sending them? Like how
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: are you getting your messages to them? Right? Like that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: would be something I would consider because you'd be so secretive.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: No, no, I've actually wondered about that moon being used
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: to transmit kind of you should messages.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: But uh, even even in POMPEII.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I went to POMPEII and uh yeah, and now again,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: if you think of this when it's a new moon,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: you're still going to be screwed. They they actually again
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: now you're thinking about I'm just realizing now how important.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: The moon was to them.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: They had rocks in the streets that would light up
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: from the moonlight. They would glow so so it like
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: for people who wanted to keep working late, because you know, capitalism,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: no matter what you know, you know what I'm.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Saying, you want to make that money. They could light
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the roads.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: They could like the roads up so you could keep
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: going with your goods and you could keep traveling if
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: you got ship to sell. Yeah, the lights would row,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: the stones would light up. And I guess if there's
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: no moon out on the new moon, I'm guess for
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: those few days you're fucked anyway, you ain't going to
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: really see much.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so think about it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: It's so funny that you bring up POMPEII, because we
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: talked about pomp in our last episode. Interesting enough because
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: that's where Yeah, Pompeii and seventy nine AD was not
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: a provincial backwater, it was a thriving port city, and
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: so they ended up finding a black mirror there.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: That's really interesting from Persia, but.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Because it was from Persian so it was an interesting
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Uh what was that story again?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Spoils of War. Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: No, the people of Pompeii, the leader the like, the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: guy who pretty much restructured the Mediterranean in the Spoils
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of War, got a black mirror from Persia and brought
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it back to Pompeii. And this was like ten years
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: before the volcano went off that destroyed everything.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: So yeahesting because a lot of the black mirror is like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: which is interesting, the one that's always attributed to John
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: d even though there is no actual I don't think
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: he ever says.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah we learned that, Yeah, learned that. That's what Justin
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Sledge said, But I just found that out.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: But the one that they do have on display does
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: go back to Mexico because of a volcano.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: So I'm surprised that a guy from Persia to volcano, Like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: why didn't you just get the rock from there if
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: there was volcano.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So the two different cultures that were like into the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: black mirror, so like the original one that we found,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or there's two, so like South America they used it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: for a certain god, I figuret the god's name.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I Z yeah, some shit like it was.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Actually, it's almost kind of two different reasons that it's
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: being used.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Exists, two different reasons exactly.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the same reason it was originally used.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Because now they originally used it was as it wasn't
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: it the projection onto the black mirror of their shadow
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: selves that then they were trying to work with, right,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: isn't that? Yeah?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it was like they would see whatever the god
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: wanted them to see, and it was what they needed
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to work through in this lifetime, where like the Persian
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: culture it was too a hormazda. I think it was
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like the the group and so it was like dedicated
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to the sun and that was for like seeing the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: good or seeing like something along those sorts of lines.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, two different reasons, two different cultures.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: And then it was Tesca and it translates into nahutl
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: as a smoking mirror excuse me. The obsidian mirror was
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: his primary symbol and attribute, and depicted on his chest,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: in his headdress and replacing his right foot as if
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: it were an extension of his body. He was the
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: god of fate, sorcery, night, and hidden face of things,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the lord of what is concealed. The Aztec obsidian mirror
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: did not simply reflect the future. It revealed the soul
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: of whoever dared to look. Warriors saw their own deaths,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: and in its depths, priests use it to commune with
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: gods and ancestors. The mirror's power was not prediction, so
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: it wasn't the divinatory things as we all think it is,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: but it was confrontation with what the self actually contains.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Right, and then the.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Con quy stores took that as Texas Ceremonial Mirror back
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to Europe and then that's the one that sits within
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the British Museum. Fascinating enough.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the initiatory experience, right, Like here we're
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: going to initiate you. You need to look into the black
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: mirror and like, if you can survive what you see,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like you're a part of the group.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now that seems to be a little bit makes
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: more sense, honestly.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be the use than what.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: We were getting from Dan Kelly with the one that
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: they technically never used.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just because the shoestone that they were using
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: to get the Enochian language or whatever they are tapping into.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know I can be honest here, but
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep it normally. It's we got Golden
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Dorn people talking about that on the show, so they're
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: going to be very whatever, it's close to their heart.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I questioned that whole situation with those two dudes anyway. Well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I hear that really, because if you even think about it,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Justin was right when Justin Sledge even said think about
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: where this was supposed to go though, it was basically
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: you're astro projecting to go spy on people.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And it's like, were they really doing that then? Mm hmm,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah they were.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: They were.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Or was this selling thing to a lady with a
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: lot of money?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I like the idea of the Enochian language and
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: tapping in and doing the rituals they were, but you
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: can never get rid of the idea. And I don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: know why this isn't talked about more the idea of
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: doctor John D being who he was and Edward Kelly
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: being who they are, and then how to be a
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: divine vessel for some uriel. Right, the angel that was
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: speaking to him, speaking through Edward to John like John D.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And what they were doing was they were tapping into
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: this language right now is alphabet and then they would
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: tell them to arrange the room in certain ways to
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: do more and more rituals. It's in shout out Jason
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Loub and his Empire of Angels. Everyone should go out
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: and read it because it's a fucking brilliant book and
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: really gives you the great understanding of how we got
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: to doctor John D. And now the Enochian tablets which
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: are used to scry. And it is one of those
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: things where it's all like that's fucking intense shit, good
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: fucking luck a and be My meaning of going down
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: this path is like what was the great chain of
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: being the tapping into and communing with said angels? Who
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: were these angels?
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Right? We always have to be wary and then the.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Tests to be done because it's the same questions that
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: we always need to ask about Alistair Crowley himself and
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: when he was tapping into iwass and writing the Book
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: of the Law. It's like it goes back to what
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: we were just saying, is that perception intentionality? And if
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: what the thinker thinks the prover proves we will tap
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: into something without without understanding it, that maybe we are
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: the one creating said thing, whatever that means, you know
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like a model to see if
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: through we should also believe it so we can continue
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the science, you know, but not believe. It's so much
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that we can't then question like, okay, is this making
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: me a better person? Why do I have to sleep?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: We'll let my friends sleep with my wife, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Edward Kelly and.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Breathe or is that you you just wanted to bang
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: his wife?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Or but there wasn't just Edward and that in his way,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: it was like they were both doing it. And so
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: it's a fascinating that. My question then is what realm
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: of like the Buddhistic ten realms are they tapping into?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Said angels? Because the gods, if we learned in our mythologies,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: are just as fucking silly and different as we are,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: because not just to anthropomorphize them, but to know that
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the forces of nature around us, give give things movements, emotion, energy,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: you know, and then to forget that like what this languge?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: This is why I believe it. And so steel Man,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: this argument currently that we're in is the same idea
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: of why Jerr Tolkien's language works, of the elves and
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: all the things. It's the linguistics works. And so since
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the linguistics works, and it's an actual language that no
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: one else has tapped into, but they can be proven
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: linguistically and with language sciences, so there's something to that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: To just make up Edward Kelly was a fool, you
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Edward ke At making up a
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: no key language.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Ye. What's interesting in a way is like if you
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: think about like when you read the Picka Tricks and all,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like the how the specifically the Indian culture is very fascinating,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like from India, how they did magic, Like when you
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: read the Pica Tricks, like there are perhaps somebody was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: actually hypnotizing them from Afar, you know what I mean,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like per actually putting voices in there. Because there are
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: things in the Pica Tricks that talk about if you
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: want somebody to speak in tongue, or if you want
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: somebody to you know, the pica trick is crazy, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: like it says stuff like that, So how do we
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: know that like based on who they were, that somebody
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't just like, oh, I'm going to have these people
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: do this thing because I want them to speak this
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: language because it has some sort of other meaning thing,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Like, how do you know it was actually
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like a spirit and not actually just another human from
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Afar intervening.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Well, that's a great that's a great question. And then
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: because then how long is mk ultra and creating a mansions?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Been going on? Very long time?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: And so I'm not you know, like the idea is
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to keep it in the maybe state and try to
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: understand these things and maybe not give so much. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I think this is something that I think thank you
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: everyone out there for listening to us. This is Magus
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: in the media.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: If you didn't know. As you're listening, the.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Cult reject himself, the great Cardinal electric Head Nick and
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the lovely Kaiva rows. As we venture ourselves down the
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: rabbit holes, as we're bread crumb to bread crumb, as
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: the surveillance state lifts before our heads and before we
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: take ourselves too seriously. Now we find ourselves with some
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: fucking black mirror in our hand, not just there in
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: our pockets, all around us at all times as it
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: projects out beams, right, we're not just looking into it,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: We're it's also looking into us, just as the optics
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: both projection takes in. We have to understand then we
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: must armor ourselves with the true path, and that is
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: the real philosophia the sovereign magician as they walk through
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: this state trying to intermingle the stick and the magician.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: And so I just wanted to everyone that was listening,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: thank you right now as we continue this beautiful talk. Sorry,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: what were we talking about? I just wanted to give
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: a little breakdown there.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I I love to talk about the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Pika tricks. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So just like how in the Pika Tricks,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there's many many ways talked about how you can actually
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have people speak in tongue and hear voices. So that's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like why the John d thing could be interesting.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: From another perspective is looking at perhaps there was actually
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a higher social yeah trying exactly, Yes, the men cheering candidates,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: what you led that into? And then.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that's beautiful, and I think that's really important, right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I mean it's like, Nick, did you find anything about
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: like how like to go back to it the idea
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: of the optics and how when we take in signs
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and symbols, like it's going to do something to our
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: nervous system, right right?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are curvatures can seem more appealing to us.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I made a joke about that on a
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: show a while ago. I was like, Oh, that's how
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: ment are with women, So I get it. They for
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: some reason, curves are just considered more of a beautiful shape,
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: uh than straight angles. One thing that's really interesting and
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: oh I think I mentioned this with when you were
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: on the show, and it makes you wonder if these
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: people knew then the flashing colors that are suggested to
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: be used on talisman by the Golden Down and even
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: like Theemamites or the ot O that those color combinations
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: will some reason effect will pull on your cones and
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: rods more.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Are you talking about the King and the Queen colors?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Like all right, let's let let's say you're doing uh,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: you're doing chess at or Jupiter talisman. It's gonna be
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: and then they suggest a flashing color to behold or murcut,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: which would be orange.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Those are the King and Queen.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Those will actually uh pull on your cones and rods
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: and like kind of start to cause like we'll fight
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: over them a little bit.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: What does flashing colors mean?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Don't it makes them pop?
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: I believe it in that like even some of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: side effects of that. And if you realize it, actually
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: the three D glasses kind of goes that you can
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: almost start to get three D effects from flashing colors
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: as well. And if you think about it, the three
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: D glasses are two different colors.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I mean the whole psychoedemlic alice in Wonderland?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: What is it in.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Charlie in the chocolate factory as they step into the
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: boats and they go into with all the flashing lights
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and then like they come out the other side and
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: now they're shrinking people.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You know, isn't that the same in now?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: The clockwork orange? So leaves back in mk ultra, it
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: is that thing that you're blinking lights, eyes wide open.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: It's interesting that you can say these things and it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: all mk Ultra mean Mansurian candidates strange things that are
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: like why is it always negative. It's like because the
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: positive is to put it in the people's hands so
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: that they can like not be manipult by the.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: World and themselves.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: But then the next is, yeah, eyes wide shut, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: that's what I just say. That's the fucking one of
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: the scary. That's like a pedophilia fucking Epstein royal. You know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: it's strange, Well, because they.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Can read your nervous system through the phone, right, they
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: can read your nervous system through the phone, so like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you so there's a lot of So that's where it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like it is putting people on a on a straight line,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: but you know they're going to go left and right,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: so you just kind of bumper them through the middle.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like that thing they can read your
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: nervous system through your through the phone, which I think
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is crazy. I didn't even like consider that that was
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: even a thing, even like the amount of like how
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you blink your eyes and like that whole thing. So
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: when we do think about like the mk Ultra stuff, right,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like that is like how much did they learn? And
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: this was like we thought it was like the nineteen seventies, forties, fifties, sixties,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Like how long was that period ago? Like it's kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of a long time ago, and so yeah through.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: The seventies information.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the sixties, yeah definitely, oh yeah lost and
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: you know it changed, is just like everything else, just
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: so everybody knows what we're talking about. Science Daily stating
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: that ordinary Wi Fi, oh by, ordinary Wi Fi can
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: now identify people with near perfect accuracy? Is that crazy?
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: May twenty second, twenty twenty six scientists.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Say ordinary Wi Fi routers may soon be may soon be, No,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: they can now.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Or may soon right right, Like.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You can't make up that mind.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: This is that crazy wow, being able to secretly recognize
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: and track people with near perfect accuracy. Researchers in Germany
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: are warning that ordinary Wi Fi networks could become a
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: powerful new form of invisible surveillance using standard wireless signals
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: and artificial intelligence. They demonstrated a system capable of identifying
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: people with striking accuracy, even those individuals are not carrying
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: an active device.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Now think about Yeah, well, I was just saying, like
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to even think, like, what is the purpose
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of all this, all of this? You know what I mean?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Like what is their intention? And also to like their
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: intention is technically just fear. Right, we can we we
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: can do this like right, like like what if we
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: all just started doing that?
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Like I have the.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Technology to put all billionaires on fucking on rockets and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: send them to Mars. I do write like I do
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like you should?
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: She doesn't. No, she doesn't, No, she doesn't see.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea to like put people in fear, you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I want you to live
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: in a fear state. Therefore, I'm going to make you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: think that I can see everything you're doing. And because
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I can see everything you're doing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: It sounds like God, I might break into your house.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: That's yeah, that sounds like a yeah, that sounds like
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: a form of the Abrahamic Jehovah or theon. So everybody
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: look up the utilitarian Jeremy Bentham designing one of the
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: ideas of the philosophical underpinning of the idea of what
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a panopticon is, right, and so that panopticon is like
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: you have one camera or one eye that sees over
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: the image as a whole prison, and but there's nobody
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: or there's one guy watching that cam. The many camera No,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: there's many cameras with one person watching over many people,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: and the people will just conform because of they think
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: they're being.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Watched at all times. That was that a long time ago,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: and so.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: We are within that surveillance state right now.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: And that's like what that's.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: This is, this is, this is what's needing to be
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: talked about. I like, don't give two fucks. Besides, I do, Actually,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I care about thirty billion dollars that just went as
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: going to Israel for the ship that they blew up.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Three hundred billion to Iran, three hundred billion.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: What did I say?
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You said, thirty it's not enough.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: It's not enough.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: You're right, thirty hundred billion dollars.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: No, three hundred that's what I said, thirty hundred.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: It's like three trillion.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry, we're good at you're good at that, philosopher.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Sorry, go on.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know one thing I wanted to too.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: You know, you talk about MK ultra and going back,
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: you know whatever whatever you said. Even I think what
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: you say nineteen sixties or seventies. Even in one of
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: the stuff that I did, there's two different things I
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: could say, Oh this even with the drumming that goes
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: back to like nineteen ten, that they knew they could
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: manipulate people and get people going with drumming. So I
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: mean that's kind of like, you know, mk ultus in
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: a sense, And I have a show. I haven't done
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: it because I've just gotten so stuck on the other stuff.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: But I did have a show that I was going
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: to record that was basically showing you how music and
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: drumming and other stuff for World War two actually made
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: people kind of.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Accept the situation and be you know, you know, let's go,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: let's go, you know, so.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Even and that they knew how to do that because
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: they were already doing studies and how to use music
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: to actually manipulate people and to get them kind of
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: like psyched for war.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Like even if you if you listen, if you listen
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to look at any of our.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Military shit, you'll even get the idea it all has
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: the same sound. It alls kind of like the same,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: like I don't know intensity to it, but uh yeah, So,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you want to go back to
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: World War too, They're already doing studies on how to
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: get people like cool with war through music. I mean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: you know, i'mk ultra. Maybe that you know, started then,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: but I mean they're already doing shit that they already
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: knew how to manipulate people. Wait, way before that.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that adds.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the dark sorcerers. And you got to think about it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Something that Graham Hancock said. And we've known this for
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: you know, all the different people that are research and
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: write things, right, we all know that we come from
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of back in the day, these shamanic cultures,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: especially the Western esthetic tradition and magic. No matter if
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: it's your you know, your Eastern shamana cultures or your
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Western shamanic cultures. There's ways to put the nervous system,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the being in the world, the being there, there's a
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: ways to put that into a trans state through drumming.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: That's thousands and hundreds of thousands probably years old, and.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Through time we always want to talk is it right?
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: When did we talk about this? The idea that like
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: you and I did the like yesterday, what's one hundred
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: to one thousand years nothing in the timeframes of humanity,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you know, of this human form which has been around
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: for three hundred thousand years, and now we want to
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: think that we're special. Over the last hundred years of
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: our sciences, let alone the last thousands of years of
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: our own this western Western Eastern civilizations and the dawning
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: of this man supposedly, And to think that the same
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: technologies that we use a for the occult, mystical and
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: magical world worlds to like ascend and descend at the
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: same time as in transforming ourselves into the highest being
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: that we are, which is human. I think that is
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: becoming human because this is something that I'm I'm continually
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: getting back to, is this eighth circus of consciousness? Is
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: that just like what you're saying nick with tones and
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: tunes and drumming that that and drugs induce hypnotic states
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: and imprint vulnerability, and each circuit has its own right,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Like it's crazy.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we're sensing beans, right, We're essentially just like
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the sense it's scentient beans. We're just like sensing everything.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like even if you think that you're not sensing something,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you are sensing something, right, So you're constantly taking an information,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: whether it's through your skin, through your you know, any
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: of the other senses whatever they are, you know. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's something it's important to remember, is
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that You're always picking up on information, and that's where
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it's like, where is this information coming from? That is
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like why do I have this impulse?
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: That is something I had noticed with covering once I
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: started covering this series. I have mechanics and magic and
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: you have to get back to how to put it
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: on a poise just for like a few weeks, just
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: to catch up and all this stuff. I have Christian churches,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: those ritual technolic and between just those and looking at
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: all the things that are used on that we would
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: normally use as practicing magicians, the herbs, the candle, the
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: possibly the singing bowl.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Forgetting of a few other things scrowing, you know, all
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: these things that we use when I started like looking
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: at it, and especially then when you want to start
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: like putting initiation of possibly architecture into it, even the
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: churches in the architecture, every single fucking thing about it
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: all affects your nervous system mm hm. And you're just like, yo,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: there's got to be something like even anointing. Now you're
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: skin the Eucharist, you're eating touch skin. I mean, there's
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: there's so many different contacts to started affecting your nervous system.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: That it's like you saw you have to start wondering,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: is that what it's about? Yeah?
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because even the stained glass mirror, the copper and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: then the color the light going through.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It, you know, yeah, will affect you. Yeah, everything, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: the smallest things.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Walking into a church, if you were to see like
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: a relic behind like a cage or a glass, that
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: right there is already making you think something that, right,
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: that is special. When you see certain people in different
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: clothes in certain parts of the church that you can't
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: go to, your brain categorizes at is that special?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: This is fucking holy? Like it really starts to strengthen
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: what you think you're in, oh for sure.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: And then and then think of what the people who
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: first started designing these sacred architectures, you the states of
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: consciousness that they were in to be able to witness
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: the beauty, the beatific vision and that sacredness.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: And like then they put it in places you know
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: what I mean that they use.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Curating The curating of the God experience is interesting, right,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the curate God experience when really, like when you're outside
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you're literally experiencing the highest temple. Right, So like, but
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, let me curate the experience
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of what God actually feels like for you. And so
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: it is interesting. I love cathedrals and I love the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: energy that it invokes, and I think in our day
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and age, like they are places that are important because
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: we can't have the access to nature that we would
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: like to have. So I think now in our day
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and age, they are essential and nice. But I think
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: when we're thinking about back in the day when it
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: was just like you were living on the earth in
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the natural temple, for to have somebody come in and say, like,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: this is me curating your experience, and I think that's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: something to consider, is like when did we humans start
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: curating each other's experiences?
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, probably from the very beginning, don't you think, like.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what kind of what we were
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: going to Like when we talked about earlier today, when
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I was saying how Graham Hancock's was saying that, you know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: people used to stay as hunter gatherers and like that
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: was just how they existed. And I think it's because
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that way it gives everybody the ability to be alpha, right,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: because when you have a governance a city everybody. Somebody
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: has to be the leader of that city versus like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: we all are hunter gatherers doing our things, but we
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: have this beautiful structure, which I think it was go
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Beckley Tepe. What he was talking about is how they
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: all return to this structure. And there's many of these
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: structures around the world, but the cultures that built them
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: were hunter gatherers, which makes so much sense because if
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you're a hunter gathered culture, you don't need to have
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: a governing body because there's a level of respect, right,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: there's a level of understanding. So it is interesting to
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: think about when we start curating boxing, you.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Know, true, I do hear that. I think they were
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: even curating and so then I think we've talked about
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: this on how because with Graham Hancock, he's taking it
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: to the next level. I think sometimes in saying like
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: but who were the magicians of the gods and who
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: are the people that are helping pass along the knowledge
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: to the hunter gatherers?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Who were the.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Ones helping to create these things based upon all this stuff?
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: So I think there is this kind of upcollu or
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: these traditionous so you know, a select few from the
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: prior cycle you know, pre thirteen thousand years ago that
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: were helping integrate the hunter gatherers who survived the craziness
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: of whatever apocalyptic thing that happened during the Younger Dryest period,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's like that is then
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I think that adds that extra magical layer of humans
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: down to their base needs can survive, right, and they
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: can survive very well through hard times. And that's that
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: primate psychology that keeps us the who's the wisest of
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: all the stages the robot, because it just does and
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: it survives, you know. But it's then when we get
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: in these higher states and more focused to the upper
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: states of mind, that's when we start directshit with like
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: time and interpretation and history. The time binding circuit is
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: what gives that nervous system and the levels of abstraction.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: It gives us the ability to then create and remember
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: prior civilizational falls and things like that, you know what
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: I mean. So it's like you have to bust. So somehow,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: somehow through time we were able to keep keep information. Crystals, right,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: crystals are holding information. How do you tap into those crystals?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Some say you can you know, sit and meditate and
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: get into a frequency of a crystal and then like
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: learn from it. And I just think it's become so charlatanized,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: And I have such a cynicism of New Age spiritualism.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm like, well, okay, who can actually do that
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: kind of thing? But I think that people actually can,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: you know, right, And I.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Think that's part of our like, you know, our framework
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: of our brain, right, that part of our brain has
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to be encouraged at a young age to really become
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and be able to stay on that track, right, Like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, like we were that as children, but
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: then we were put into school and then we had
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to reroute our brain and how it was triggering to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: be more analytical, logical, less magical mystical.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's really cool about the fear thing
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: if you think about it. If in the beginning of time,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: you know, as one hundred gatherers were going around surviving
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: and you know, building villages and things or whatever. Maybe
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: not villages because they had to keep moving, But the
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: idea is like, what was how did fear feel as
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: a human? A lot different than fear now because fear
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: changes in the symbols of what fear mean and So
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: that's kind of an interesting thing to think about, is
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: where to do the beginnings of our mythology, which holds
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: time within it come.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: From, you know, and where you know? It's fascinating. Yeah,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: that's crazy.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I think it's really important as we
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: move through this kind of conversation that I was, I
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: want to actually hit on the idea about what we
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: were talking about before, about the the mnemonics and the
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: mind palace, because I think most people don't understand why
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Geodoro Bruno actually and this is fascinating that he brought
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: it up. Why he was anilhiod, why he was then
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: done is not only because he saw the splendor of
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: the stars, right, And I wanted to also bring up
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: the idea of Peter Mark Adams and how living out
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: in nature gave them the ritualistic basis to understand the
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: constellations and then move through ritual and face of consciousness
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: from the stars and then through time. For some reason,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: they had to go underground. So that's fascinating, isn't it,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Like how then all of a sudden you have to
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: go underground through time because of a lot of these cultures,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: things get maybe get like said they're bad or something, you.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, now you can't do that out there. So
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: that means you have to take your ritual that is
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: to the stars, that is invibing your culture to be
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: to live through ages. Now you have to take it
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: to the underground. And so Peter Mark Adams work what
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: it's doing is you can it's at the astro archaeological studies,
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: is He's they've found these same mappings of the stars
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: in these caves and they were the direct representation of
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: the constellations of what was going on the night side,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: so they could continue the rituals and those were the
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: orphic all the way from the Mesopotamia to the Orphic
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: to the Mythraic rituals.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: At that time. I think that's mm hmmm.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does make you wonder like what was the
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: cause of all the Yeah, the cause of the fear
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: or you know, it is it's very bizarre what happened.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Why what invoke somebody's spirit to be such
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: an evil person to stomp out another culture, you know
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, why why would these cultures have
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: to go into fear like there wasn't there was somebody
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: had an idea and their idea provoked this idea that
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: nobody else can have ideas, right, And so it does
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: make you wonder like, yeah, like was it an intentional
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: disconnect people from their reality, disconnect people from their truth?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Or you know, is it just like some pop culture
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: star being like, no follow me, I'm so fun and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: then it was just like super ignorant the whole time,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and now it's like fucked up our entire society, you know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: our entire like understanding of things, right, like an intentional
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: thing or are they just.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Like were they just idiots?
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: And like because that also happens too, Like I think
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: we see that in our day and age, right, you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: have all these people making major decisions and they're actually
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: just like pretty ignorant and dumb, but and they just
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: want to be cool, so they're making these decisions that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: are affecting us on like a larger scale.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I like the idea of each person having their
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: own demon that controls them, and so one is the
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: demon of control, right, that's actually all your nerds out there,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: that's actually I'm just bringing it. What is that chainsaw man?
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: So it's like all the demons inhabit bodies and then
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: manipulate the world one way, and then now there's a
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: controlled demon and so whatever she does and she gets
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: because she can control people to do so. But then
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: think of like the demon of fear or lust or
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: all these things are coming through people now, and now
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: they're framing the world within that holographic reality because of
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: the symbols that they're feeding all the people, which are
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: vessels for creation into the world. So then you're going
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: to create that world that they want you to see,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: very similar to why disclosure just came out because with
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Spielberg and you know, so you can frame a future
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: event through the stories that you're giving people right now.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: And I also think that's why, like certain teachings should
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: remain hidden, right because I do think there are like
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we've all we've all attended classes, right,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and you there's always that person or taught classes, right,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Like I've taught classes, and there's always that person in
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the class that I'm like, you're the reason why I'm
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: going to stop teaching because I don't want you to
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: know the information I know, because I know you'll do
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: bad things with it, you know what I mean. So
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: it's like there's you know, there's.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: A dabbler is a dangerous ocultist.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they're going to say the wrong thing,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and like sure enough. I had a client that came
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: to me after they had seen her, and what she
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: told the client. I was like, why would you say that?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: That is so bizarre. Like they were having some like
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: health issue and she was like, Oh, you're going through
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: your You're going through your awakening, your spiritual awakening. You're
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: just sensing it in your body. And I was like, no,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're having heart issues. I think actually see
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: a doctor, like you know, no, that's not like what
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: we were like, I'm not going to heal your heart.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah you're not.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: You you have high blood pressure, and I think I think.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: You need to that's not your spiritual wakening, Like because yeah,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: so because there's other things too that I was like,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: spiritual wakening doesn't just come without work. And that was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: what they wanted because that's what she told them. And
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: so like, yeah, that person when she was in my class,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, you're the reason why I feel like
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I can't teach, because I need to only be a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: mentor if anything, you know, I want to have people
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: who are devoted to what I'm going to offer them
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and are going to be good with it. And I
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: think that's even in the Pika tricks A Grippa, every
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: single book you read, they're always like, this material should
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: not end up in anybody's hands. This material should make
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: sure to be kept, you know. And I'm not saying like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying that everybody. You know what
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, Like, I'm not saying like I'm
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: trying to be the one who dictates who should get
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the information. But I do think there are some like
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you can tell when people are going to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: do things with it. And I think that when we
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: look at the past, that is probably what happened. Right,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Somebody's like they took Jesus' class or you know, like
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: they took they took the Prophet's class, and they're like, dude,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I want to do that. I want to do that too.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: That's dope, like you know, and they just went and they.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Fucking Peter, who is it, Paul Peter.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Peter had his road to Damascus. That's what we brought
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: up the other day.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Peter had a road to Damascus and he fucked up
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: the Christ thing. He fucked it up. He became the
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: first pope, and really he was a Roman agent and
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: a shout out Professor Zang. That's what he talks about.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: I was listening to like a month ago, and he
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: had a whole thing about Peter was like a Roman agent,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: and you know, he believed he saw Christ, which is
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: like and then he started fucking the Christian Church based
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: upon that whole you know, somebody who didn't even know
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: no Christ or.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Was part of his apostles. It's fascinating, yep, you know.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: So it's like he put into the world exactly what
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: he wanted to get out of it, and then Christianity
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: became one of the greatest religions as in largest, fucking
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the roam the world, destroying things left and right at
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: all times. The same was the other you know, all
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: the Abrahamic traditions have that going for him. So there's
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: an interesting and that goes back to then, just so
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: everybody knows. As we're moving through this ideal of the
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I like what you brought up last time, Kiva.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: So Nick kind of had this idea, you know how
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: in like talismanic magic and scrying of the old age whatever,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: the metal or the element that was being used was
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: actually a trans like, uh, was a transmission or a
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: vessel for a sympathetic vessel for the for the gods
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: and the forces of nature.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: And so Kaiva's idea is that she brilliantly, I don't
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: know if she if you've thought of this before, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: the idea is that the phone is now made with
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: all of these same metals but put into the whole phone, right,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: And so it's.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Like you have iron, and you have you know, mercury, you.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Have all all the things that then attribute to some
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: kind of god. And so the technically these devices could
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: be also not just synthetic, but also transferring some kind
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: of right, like am I saying this right? Yeah?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, they hold all the possibilities of each of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: those planets, each of those stars within the phone itself.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: So the idea, you know, because we think about like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if i'm if I'm breaking it down into
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: my mind that only looks at like certain magical materials.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist, so forgive me. I don't do
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: any electrical things. But if I'm looking at it from
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a perspective of like the peak Trix Agrippa, and like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: all these other texts, I'm thinking, like, how would I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: make a device like that? Well, like there are certain
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: instances in the Pika Tricks and other books where it
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: does infer that if you had symbols or you know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: certain elements of sympathetic magic, like you would be able
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to invoke these gods through the black mirror, and so
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: like that's part of like what the black mirror, how
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: they are, how they are created, is by having inscriptions
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: or different ceremonies dedicated to the god that you want
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: to help you through in the mirror process. So you know,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: if you're thinking about like Venusian love, right like snow
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: white mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: of them?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: All?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Like is that a Venusian sort of black mirror that
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: she's looking into so that she can see, you know?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Or is it? You know, it's just interesting, interesting to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: think about. And then having the phone have all the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: capabilities of all the planets and potentials, you know, it's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: kind of what we thought about before I realized it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: was a hypnotic device. So it was like first that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: was like point two point zero, and then I got
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to three point zero versions, like actually these are hypnotic devices.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: I had someone tell me that the quantum computing, the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: way that they have that shit to design. They said,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: it almost looks like it's like the planet's are roll
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: like almost even in scale and everything.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, but yeah, yeah yeah, but even.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: What you're saying, I mean that sounds like if you
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: took like half of the Hermetica Bala and threw it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: into your phone. I mean it makes sense, right, you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, like you took you know, even
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: I mean I think it was Anthony's Kircher. Oh, I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: think it was him. He had said in it, you know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: like this is hundreds of years ago. Did he predicted it?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: In the future, just through light and crystals, you'll be
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: able to project demons in spirits. I mean that's exactly
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: what our phone is, and even optical cable that's just
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: flashing light with Kobe, right, And.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Then it makes you wonder what are demons and spirits?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: You know, like are we like are we the demons
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and spirits? You know what I mean? Like, I mean technically,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: technically we have to be right because we're just light bodies, right,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Like we're just like crystalline water light bodies.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Like crazy.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: There's someoning us and that's why we go out and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: buy it.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm yeah right, right, so we don't even know
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: what were the rats in the maze?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: I mean I love that.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: I mean I hate that, but I you know, that's
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: basically what we've become, which is why all of our
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: storytelling is kind of telling us that. And then there
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: are a few rats. That's why like our mis er
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: well you know whatever, it is like like we no
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: one's special. Yeah, no, none of us are special. If
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: we're just trying to finally be human, you know, it's like, well,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: how is the lowest part of ourselves become the standard?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: It's kind of what it makes me feel.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say before, and I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: think that might kind of depending on how far you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: want to take the progression. I do think this might
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: tie into like kind of where we got in the future.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: I was even thinking, and it wasn't to be like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: cocky or anything, but I could see it just from
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: so many different levels that like you know, you were
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: saying before, like you know, what was like the original
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: fear that like just started making people kill each other,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: and like I my opinion, I just honestly think that,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: like you know, when we first came to be, I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: think rather quickly magically, we were probably somewhat with it,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: just probably didn't know how to explain it, but you know,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: we were in tune a.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Little bit more magically. I do think it's the quite possibility.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: And again not to sound like cockier anything, but it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: really could have been the difference between the uninitiated and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: the initiated, people who weren't that really in tune and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: took other people's looks or acts or things differently and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: was scared of that because like I gain, I'm not
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: even trying to go with this, but like if you
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: want to start taking where you see how certain religions
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: look at what we do, you know, people, you know,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: I will even go with Christianity the way some people
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: can get with that and Satanic panic. You know, you're
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: you're almost willing to put somebody up on a steak
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: when that person may like I'll be totally honest with you,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: even why I'm even saying the uninitiated, I think a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: person who actually had a magical experience isn't gonna be
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: too quick to be dropping bombs on countries. Yes, they're
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: not going to be quick to just take someone's soul. Yeah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: you know, but the uninitiated person who hasn't had an
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: experience with guy, what the fuck do they kid?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, put him on the stake.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I don't like the way he looks. He might want
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: to fuck my girl. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: chilly shit like that. Let's keep it real. Stuff like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: that is why motherfuckers get killed. It is ye.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: You you know you do.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: And it's not even that these days.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: I bring it up what Tim Dillon brought up yesterday
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: of the day before about how after the next game,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: some fucking Knicks guy or fucking hit another Spurs guy
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: or vice versa, sorry not a sports fan in the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: face with a sign and killed him. It's like because
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: of their nationalists. And this leads to part of the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: conversation obviously that always needs to be brought up, is
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: this differentiation of either extremes which aren't good, tribalism, two
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: levels of nationalism where you all of a sudden, it's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: my team versus yours, and I need to put all
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: my power into this fucking eggregre. That now is taking
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: over me and then mixed with mass mob mentality, you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: have a higher level demon running through and possessing these
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: people to do things they wouldn't normally do.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing that's good yeah blm.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: I think back in twenty twenty, perfect example, what a.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Could the public yem hm oh yeah, fear yeah, oh
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: it was fear and the other yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And then you have like some you know, dark sorcer
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: who's like in the background invoking manipulating all.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: That, you know, call them like George Joros right or
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: whoever his you know, people pushing that guy.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: Even if you looked into the two chicks that formed
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: that ship, one of them was like an open witch.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: She didn't hide that ship.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Oh is that true?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Who are now like multi millionaires?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: You know they even called themselves marx Marxists on their
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: own light until til shit caught on and everybody started
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: looking at it, and then they changed it.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, exactly the danger of Marxism. Yeah, that level
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: of communitarianism is what that is. It's collectivism and it's
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: fine as fine as is dangerous.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was very unintelligent, you know, Like at
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the same time, they're very unintelligent for like their karmic future. Right, Like,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: what a bizarre choice to make for yourself? What a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: bizarre choice to make. You have all the ability to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: make the right choice and do good things, but you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: choose to think you're going to get ahead by making
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: more money temporarily. Like, what a bizarre choice, right, What
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: a bizarre choice to make. But of all the things,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: especially if you're a witch. Right, if you're a witch
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: and you have all the possibilities of having whatever, you know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even know much about that practice, probably what
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: that woman did, but like the idea that you have
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: all the things, all the options, but that's what you.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Chose, You chose.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: This is this is something I kind of want to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: get into talking about the whole egger gooy thing. And
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: it was something that I went into kind of a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: little bit of a rant on the end of that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: Whole Drum episode because of not a rant, but I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: got a little you know, you could definitely till I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: got into it with the whole thing with like, like,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: I don't understand how even occultists and witches and it
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: happens to so many of them, how do you not
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: realize that most of the shit that really gets.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: You going online and gets you raw raw.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: Ron isn't a fucking eggregor first off, like even like,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: all right, I'm using BLM for the left, now, believe
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: it or not, this is my opinion, but it's it
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: works in a different way. I'll even take something because
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: like you'll even have like, all right, BLM they might
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: have had. I'm just gonna guess that then maybe I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: can't breathe was one of the fucking chants.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, the mantra.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So now that's repetitive.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: But now behind that, even though that's only specific to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: George Floyd, it's gonna still come with certain boundaries of
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: the type of person you got to conform to when
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: you're coming here. Now take take the whole hashtag. Now
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: you don't have people out in the streets doing it.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: But I'm gonna say even let's go Brandon.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was another one.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: But that's on the right, and they do it differently.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: They don't burn towns down when they do their magic.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're a little bit more conservative, I guess when
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: they do it, you know, so it's it's a little
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: bit more slighter, but it's still that whole let's go brand.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Didn't think of what actually goes into that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: Oh huge, you know, the whole whole belief system with
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: MAGA and Trump and Republican.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: So I mean that hashtag has its own huge thing.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Neo CON's behind that, like and what's fascinating. I completely agree.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: And that goes back to the same thing you're talking
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: about with the bell.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Before the Oto ritual.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was trying to get that with the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: notifications I lost my train and what I think the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: day and then the repetitive or even just you know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: the repetitive start of the sounds on your phone.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: That sound we all know that sound. How about the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: other one though though if your phone is set for
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: the like nine to one to one emergency somebody has
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: been stolen?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know we all know what that sounds.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Even though you know what it is.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think this is something we didn't get
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: into last time, or I was going to get into
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: it with Robbie Marks, but I didn't get to talking
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: about it. Is this theory of the Fenords and it's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: all about can you see the fnrds? And that is
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: a concept of Robert and Tone Wilson's within the lumin
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Adust trilogy, can you see the fnords? And the idea
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: is we all, remember, so you're reading a newspaper, right
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: and this newspaper's going through the news of the day.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: This is again, remember this book is written in like
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: seventies and eighties or whatever.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: And so they're reading newspapers and you read it, and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're fine a mentally and emotionally,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: you're just drinking your coffee.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: But then out of nowhere you get this inkling of.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Dread and angst and all of a sudden hate, and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden you're like upset and you're anxious
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: and your palms are sweating and all these things. And
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: then you just keep reading and the kind of it
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: starts to kind of abate. But then throughout the rest
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: of the day you make decisions in that mental state.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: And now, learning how to see the fnords means that
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: the next let's say you have a crazy experience over
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: the next few years or whatever your friend gives you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: mushrooms or ascid or you have a near death experience,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: or you take cannabis for the first time, or you
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: just just finally are kind of questioning what is the matrix?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: What is this world around me? And why do things
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: happen the way they do? And then you're reading the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: newspaper one day and that feeling starts to happen. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden you see a word, and that word,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: in between all the sentences and the lines, it says.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Fnord all over it.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, you remember, you remember
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: a moment back in fucking and they talk about it
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: these days. It's called something different than in this book,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: but you remember that in elementary school, in kindergarten, you're
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: sitting there and teacher brought in this guy in a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: black suit and hat, and he holds up a fucking
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: name pick a spiral, and everyone stares into that spiral
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: as the word fnord is behind them, and then they
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: start to exude and they they manipulate and hypnotize you
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: into whenever you see this word, you're going to start
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: feeling the cortisol, release, the anxiety, the fear, the dread,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: the hatred, and then you move through it until you
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: know and these motions dissipate, but you make decisions based
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: on that, and you realize that you can finally see
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: the Fnords. And I think that's a really important concept
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: between a what we're talking about, because to see the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: Floords is to understand that.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: You have been.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: You've been controlled for a long time.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: You know what's really interesting As you're saying this, and
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not. I'm not trying to get over what you're saying,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: because I think it's the same ship as the complete
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Please and it's very weird, and I do think it
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: might be used kind of nowadays, maybe as a form
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: of manipulation if they even realize that this is what's
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: doing it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: And this isn't to really I'm not trying to knock.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: Religious people and listen, I actually have a lot of
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: respect and a lot of love for Christianity and Catholicism.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: My deal with the Christian thing isn't really it's it's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: it's it's a little bit deeper than that. I just
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: think it's getting fucked off, and I think real Christians
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: are more mystics. That's why I'm going out it the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: way i've been. But even in like churches, when you
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: get that whole music is going, everybody's singing together and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: all that ship and everybody's like people.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Go home and they be like, oh God, I felt
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like I felt the presence.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: I felt great, you know, and like and if you've
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: been in churches like that, you've been at Baptist churches,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: maybe you did feel kind of good while you were there.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Why that shit was going on.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Synchrony will actually make you deplete dopamine. Oh no, it
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: it will make you pump out dopamine.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, to the point to where it's almost a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: low grade of painkiller. So when you're all in there,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: all clapping together and hooting and hollering together, and you
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: think it's God's presence, it's probably the drugs going through
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: your system.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you. I'm sorry.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that though.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: I love that because it's as they stayed in your
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: mystical experiences. You're trying for the techniques of consciousness change.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: You're trying to reach in an ecstatic state, and it's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: that exod Yeah, you're reaching through as you're talking about drumming, dancing, mantras,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: breath work, you're breathing. You're getting it.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: You know, you're getting You're hitting your body. So it's like, yo,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: it's getting high off it's own supplant.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: Uh huh.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: It's good And I like that because I think that's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: really important to the whole state, is that when you're
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: in those higher states the body now because it's a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: neurosome like this in the back to the eighth circuits
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: of consciousness, which I'm always going to reference with this,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: is that you go from the normal robot, who's worried
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: about how to pay their bills, what's your family doing,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: Who's who's trying to steal my shit? You know? What
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: are the signs and symbols that are all around me?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: You know? And like what is my history? All the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: anxiousness that's that wrapped up within my own personal history.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: And then you go to church, which is this everything
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: you're doing with the sacred architecture, you know, old architectures
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: is brilliant because it is manipulating you and it's putting
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: it into a trance hypnotic state so that you can
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: then feel and witness the beauty of God and have
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: that mystical vision which changes you.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: I covered even the whole baptism thing that's so ritualistic,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: even even the way that they like, even how they
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: took that idea and pimped it out, and when I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: say pimped it out of it's like, you know, first off,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: I just want to make a point. You know, I'm
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: just keeping it real here. When this was originally going on,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: you know, even when John the Baptist was doing this shit,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: and when it got even sort of being reduplicated from him.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sticking up for weird shit that
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: goes on in organizations. But you know, I've admitted myself
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: I had to get naked for the first degree in
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: the OTO, and there's other orders that pretty much make
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: you do all that shit anyway.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not the only one.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: If you wanted to get baptized, which was the only
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: way you're getting into the fucking Christian church, it is
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: you were stripping your fucking clothes off, then walking into
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: the water, getting dunked, being given your new clothes, and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: then walking out. The only way that shit happened is
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: you fucking got naked in front of everybody.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so don't give me that shit.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: You motherfuckers did this thing.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: I love that they're barren it all, you know, or
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: barron it all become vulnerable and sometimes you have to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: go to the extreme to finally let go and put
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: yourself into an imprint vulnerable state, which I think is
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: what that's trying to do, to put you into a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: new level of consciousness to balance some shit out.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Or it can be used by bad people, dark.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: Sorcerers and manipulators, and they can put you into some
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: kind of Manson Clan kind of state to go do.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: The man never killed anybody, so you had a lot
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: of people do for him.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: So I see other people say, well, this is that,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: or that might possibly be this. That is originally before
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: they started bringing it inside. Now this is what I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: was getting to how they pinted it out. Now, once
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: they started bringing it inside, you get all this imagery,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: all that all of a sudden they saw putting him
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: as the shepherd, they put him as this.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: You get all this stuff.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: So as soon as you come in and this is
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: just how our brains work. We're looking at that and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: we're already taking in that. Oh, we're going to be
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: part of some fucking process. Now I'm gonna be like Jesus,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna see all this beautiful imagery that's gonna
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: get you.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: All like whoo about this shit?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: You know what they all They all have their way
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: of captivating you and then putting the idea of what's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: going on and telling you how it's going to be
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: after yeah, and.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: Telling you how it's going to be after yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fascinating. W's both like like the there's like
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: interesting aspects to how I feel about that. I feel
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: like like, oh, that's really interesting because they can lead
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: you through maybe a discovery of a place that has
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: been discovered and now you can witness that too, or
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: you know, because that's like beautiful. It's like here there
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: are others who walked the path into the unknown and
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: found a beautiful like Emerald Palace, and now you can
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: walk like the in the Golden Dawn. How you go
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: through those those basically those Syrian mystery tradition to basically
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: be taken down into mat and lifted up and being
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: raised again, as Osyrus puts, as in I says, puts
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: the pieces back together and.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Now we have the thing.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: But then it's like, what about the opposite of that,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: where now you were like, no, you're telling me what
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: to witness, how to get to God, And I don't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: really like that very much because what if my path
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: was different? And now you're trying to supersede how my
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, there's something to what if
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: you're creating an aggregre that is a trap that I
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: don't like, And now that's how I got here.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you haven't even thought that possibly about certain magical rituals.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: How do I know that LBRPSOL trap? I mean, I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: could still.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: Use it, but you know, I'm just wondering, like, how
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: do you know you're not put yourself into a negative situation?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Ready? Yeah, but even even with.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: The best thing not to keep going on about it,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: but like even when I covided, you'll even see them
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: fuck it off, like with so many different scenarios. Now
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: that it has changed so much from the way it
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: originally was, it's almost like, well, how important was it? Hmm?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, because like just adding kids into it.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: You know, there was even arguments, oh, can you baptize
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: a child because they don't really even fucking know what
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: you're saying.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not agreed to anything. You had some
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: people saying yes, then.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: If your kid was sick and you're afraid he's gonna die,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: well I better go get him baptized, because then he
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: might have gone to hell, so now you got to
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: find out it will.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Is that okay?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: Because the kids, you know, there was all these arguments
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: within the Christian Church and oh well, you know, now
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: you can do it at home if you can't make
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: it some way, but a female's got to do it.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: And you got to do three drops of water this way.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: It's like like, yo, we went from like dunking a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: whole body to three drops on the head equals the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: same shit.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: No, no, and then and then a super socer, then
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: a super sooker.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah for COVID super soakers. I guess it's okay.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Now that's a really really good point as far as
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: like the original tradition, how things are supposed to be
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and how it just like you know, and that's where
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: like I am a traditionalist, like just keep the tradition
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: the way it is, you know what I mean? And
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes I run into you know, situations in my own
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: practice with you know, whether it be astrology or whatever.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: But like there's a reason why, like people made these
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: these systems and they work, so why not just stick
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: to the system that works, you know, that's been practiced
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: for thousands of years or like see how it's like
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: how it originally came to be. Oh yeah, Like people
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: in astrology like to say, like, we're not going to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: use the dignities, and I'm like, that's like a whole
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: level of reading and interpreting that you're now deleting from
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: your vocabulary. And why would you choose to do that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: It's because you don't want to learn it, which is
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: totally fine. It is a lot to learn, but then
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: you're not actually learning how astrology was practice for thousands
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: of years, you know. So it is an interesting choice
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: when people choose to put three drops of water versus
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: dunking your entire vessel. You're sensing vessel into a bath
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: that's supposed to give you a berth.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: It's crazy and like even my total opinion, I mean,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: this is just my opinion when it comes to that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: whole scenario because of the way I look at certain things,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: and I do think, yeah, and rebirth is literal. I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: do actually wonder was John just knock the motherfuckers off? Yeah,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: here here's your shamanic experience, fucking head under the water.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Let's go, bro, let's real quick, let's get this over.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: You don't got to hang from a tree for a week.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: I'll just stick your head under the water for sixty seconds.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: That's great, you know what I'm saying. No for meal though,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: how do you not? You never know?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Man, It's that touch a way to actually kill someone
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: and recessitize rather easy compared to other things.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: Bro, that's uh, that's the that's the oay.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: That's the fucking Netflix movie.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: Oh right, that's the way. I'm gonna be doing videos
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: on it soon. That's exactly what it is. He does that,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: this fucking deranged doctor. Just everybody know. The ohay is
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: definitely as yeah. Yeah, And so he puts them through
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: the estates and then they're on the other side and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: they bring back information and then they somehow get and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: it's all about fascinating enough.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: It ends with like a school shooting.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: I keep on saying that whenever I had these experiences,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: I had information that I didn't know prim man.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: So it's just like when I saw that, I was like, Yo,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: that even solidifies, Mike, because I as soon as I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: had kind of the I think maybe the second or
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: third time I had that experience, I was like, yo,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: John the Baptist was killing people like already going on.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: That was my opinion. So when I saw Awa, I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, I was right, that's good. He's like, Yo,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: you're crazy, dude. You're saying that knock people off.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean talk about curating somebody's reality or
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: their experience, well, especially with like the like what.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: You're talking about with the different levels you've gone through
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: in your mystery school or whatever the whatever is you
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: went through or whatever, like those ideas that like you're
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: going through a system and you're like asking yourself is
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: this a good like is this good for me? Or
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: is this like is this a trick?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: So it's like we are trusting and that's sometimes like
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: to a human fault is to trust, because I think
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: that's how we got to the place that we are
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: right now, is because for so long we didn't we
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: didn't see the wolf in sheep's clothing like we could maybe.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: But that's where it's like, it is the initiate that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: can see because it's all what the tone. It's about
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: their eyes and you have to listen and watch how
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: they move their body. It's not just their you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: it's not just oh they have crazy eyes, or oh
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: they're just you know, there's just off today. It's like, no,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: they've got fucking crazy eyes. Let's start there, Like, let's
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: start there. You know.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think John the Baptist religion would last
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: very long if he's just off and people like.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, I think he was bringing him
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: back though.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: No, I know, and I love that, and I know
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: I'm just joking, but like, if you think about it,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: that's kind of what happens when so the bringback process,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: and so that's what I was thinking about, is like
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: that's a specific process to resuscitate somebody through that, and
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: then what happens when that process doesn't get delineated correctly
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: to the next teacher, and all of a sudden you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: get sacrificial like processes of like wait, I read that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: and it said actually they said, no, you don't bring
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: them back, you kill them on an altar. And then
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: that's how we get good crops.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Or you get the person who's like, yo, dude,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: you really think we should go through all that?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Just told me? Just got a dunk water on that.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, you get to complete opish, like, yo, it's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: a little dressed.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: No, that's the best. I think that's important.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: I think there's levels of that, and because what technically
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: if we're you know, we could see it physically, and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: I think the physicality has a point that's hilarious and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: especially I've never funny enough.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: I've never thought of that until the OA though.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: That's when it's like because I don't think we remember
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: the second part when we come up with that theory
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: is like we're supposed to bring you back to life
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: because of that's what they would do. I read this
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: somewhere in the Egyptian mystery schools. They would put somebody
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: through fear all the way up until basically a death
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: and dying process.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: You're almost thinking you're gonna die. He's gonna drown you,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: and you fucking you know, I could even see that
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: bringing you to a point of like maybe a higher
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: understanding or a higher you know, respectful life.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: And and somebody out there is gonna be like this
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: isn't true. It could be. And so the idea is
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: then once you bring these people through that, like alligators
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: in a moat, underneath, you have to swim underneath, and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: you have to what's swimming teach you? It teaches you
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: breath work and control, right, and now you what's what's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: the ability to like move through a dark area. So
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: the idea is that they have three or four alligators
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: underneath in Egypt in this body of water that you're
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: going through that moves you through to the Great Pyramids.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: And so the idea is that then you go in
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: there as an initiate wanting to be accepted into the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: high levels of initiation. And as you do that, you
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: then are you dive in and you know that there
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: are alligators down there, but you don't know that the
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: priests have been feeding the alligator, you know what I mean,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: And like they're not going to eat you, but you
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: think they will. And you're going through this dark place
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: knowing you could be attacked at any moment, and you're
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: you're captaining breath and you reach the other side and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: then they that's like your first level of initiation, so
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: they could bring you into the Queen's chamber or whatever
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: it is. And so that's I think exactly what you're
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: talking about, is that level of fear. That's what happens
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: in Batman begins, right, scarecrow fear all over everybody, and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Batman goes through his great shadow unveiling and coming into
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: the other side to be the great dark Knight, the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: one who you know illuminates the darkness in his own
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: way through his craziness.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Oh oh, no, I definitely think the striking fear for sure,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: that even goes into like I think like this symbolism
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: behind getting nailed in a coffin.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I completely are too, No, I completely And
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: it's uh and what it?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: What was it?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: What it made me think of? Made me think of
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: how then important it is to overcome our fears, right,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: to go back to kind of what we're talking about
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: is that if then these scrying mirrors are these like
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: reflective surfaces that can both be projected on and tap
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: into something that outward projects towards. Right, So it's both ways,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: not just you into it because it's reflective, but.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: It out to you.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: And if you were able to clean up this whatever
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: this is, this human experience through doing this thing, you
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: can then tap into something else that then through time
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: we see today now is creating the world we live around.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Back to the phones, the black mirrors and how the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: dystopic reality that we all live within is now so
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: much in our face. What would a Black Mirror episode
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: that we're guys.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: We're talking about. I know, maybe now that I don't.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure Kive has never seen any but The
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: Black Mirror, the actual fucking TV series that's on Netflix.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't know they did anything after two seasons until
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: we happened me, Like, yeah, I was like, oh, I
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: thought they slept it too.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: It's because it's it's a little ridiculous after a while,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: how many you know, And as much as it's about
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: like the surveillance of total control system that's being put
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: up around us and the dystopic nature of our reality
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: as we go into the strangeness, but it's also like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: the crazy, psycho schizophrenic nature of humans, you know, like
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: how crazy we all are.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well also too, like if you think about it,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: we are also all mirrors ourselves, right, Like we're also
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: are we are the mirror, right, So it's like this
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: phone is the projector, we are the mirror, and we're
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: the mirror projecting or showing everybody what the projector is
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: showing us. So it's like we do get to choose,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: like when we watch things, when we see things like
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: am I going like to not project that out into
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: the world right like there? And it's sometimes it's hard
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: not to because sometimes that programming can be quite strong
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: where it's like all of a sudden, you're totally on
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: board with the high mind of what we at the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: current situation is and you're just continuously reflecting that energy
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: out in the world and it's just bouncing off with everybody.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: And I think that's something to always be interested, like
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: curious about. It's like, what is this dynamic that we're
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: reflecting back to each other, you know? And is this healthy?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Do we want to continue to do this or do
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: we want to be conscious of Like I don't think
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: this is a healthy reflection that we are showing because
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: what I was telling Brandon earlier, like I don't think
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: if we're going to continue on in this country with like, oh,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: that president's that president is shitty, that option is shitty.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Like if one side is always going to deem the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: other side shitty, we are never going to have a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: good president because you've you've already cursed black magic upon
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: that person's abilities. You've never given them an opportunity, and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: we all do it right, Like we just had elections
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: here in our town, and it's like the you have
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: one side that's this one side that's that the person
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: gets elected, and like Brandon, let's just go with it.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Let's just go with it and go with it, because
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: like I don't know what's going to happen, and like
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I would like something good to happen. So if I
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: want something good to happen by this person, let's give
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: people the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, they could be
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: fucking horrible people, but like let's let them prove that.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Let's not project that onto them. And I think that's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: something that we most people can't sit with, is just
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: sit with your feelings and ask yourself, do you actually
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: want that? Or is that just like an emotional response
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: to something that's been invoked by a word or something
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: on your phone. And that's where those like crazy sorcerers
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: have the power over people, have the power over us,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: is when we let them invoke that energy.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if we stopped hating each other, it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: would be totally different situation.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to an extent.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: Again, you know it may not always you know, I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: think both sides, you know, can screw us at times,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: but like I think the people that we hate, it's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: like the right created the people for the left to hate.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: The left created the people.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: That Hegelian dialect.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like they literally handed date created the person
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: for you to hate already.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, like we got to realize like this was
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: all like this is one old mind fuck for us
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: to hate each other. Let's let it go already.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I completely no, I completely agree.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: And what's fascinating enough is like something it's all fascinating.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: I feel like, uh, as as doing shows live as
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: a Gnosis says the same as like recording them. It's like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: why do I say it's fascinating? Why Because life is
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: fascinating at all times. But this mirror thing is kind
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: of what we're talking about. And it's the same as
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: like we all are reflecting our own insecurities and awful
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: character in the monster within us, all with you know,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: off of each other at all times, and it's like
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: we forget that unless we try to cleanse our own eye. Right,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: that's the idea of this whole thing of the black mirror,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: is that the black mirror is but just then the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: reflection and pushing out of these things that we can't understand.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: If we cleanse our eyes of perception, then the world
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: will be seen as it is beautiful in all ways.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: And I think that is what's really important through this process,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: is that we get to witness and view the beauty
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: of all things, even through the strife of all nature.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Why Buddhism, I guess, is one of the top tier.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: I don't really care what anybody says. Even Alistair Crowley
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: himself is teacher Alan Bennett was like, fuck magic, I'm
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: I'm a Buddhist and I just need to breathe because
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: I got lung problems. I think my I think, wasn't
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: Isn't this true? Isn't that Alan Bennett had lung issues
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: and that's why he went off and the only place
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: he could like not feel sick was in like the
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: Himalayans or wherever he was in India and in China. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: and so teacher he was a Golden DWN member who
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: then taught Chrole and went off and helped him with
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: the AA and stuff like that. But I think it's
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: fascinating this being able to witness the different realms of
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: what and not getting caught within the first nine but
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: that way first or tenth round. What is it that buddhahood.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: It's just awakening, right, that's h And if we can
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: wake up consistency yeah m hm is the what well?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the consistency from like, you know, recognizing that
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: you have Even the Buddha has the ten worlds inside
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: of the Buddha, right, So even the Buddha has the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: world of hell, but the Buddha's choosing to like recognize
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: that world, so that does not live in that world. Right,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: So like hell, anger, and amility, like those are the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: three lower worlds that most people just circulate through, right
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: because there's no desire to get out of that. It's
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: like they just go from anger to hunger to you know,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: tearing each other apart, you know, just instincts.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: So it is interesting and that's why I do like
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Buddhism because it is it gives me this responsibility as
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: an individual, like you are responsible for everything that happens
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: in your life. If you don't like it, make better choices, right,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: and because you got here because of your past, and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: so if you got here because of your past. You
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: already know your future based on those decisions you've already made.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: That's good, It's very that's like your oral of the matrix.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: That was good.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: I would even say, you know, the whole idea of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: you know, not going against somebody's will. It was much
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: more of a thing done before Crawley started twisting the sure,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: you know what. I just think like that was you know,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: even for occultists or whatever. I just don't think that
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: was something that's that new. I think there was just
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: a thing anyway, like people know better regardless.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And then differentiating the will from the want,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: which is really important because the want is within the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: the you know, the ten worlds. And then like the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: will is the will of Buddha, the will of waking
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: just trying to keep enlightened or whatever that state of
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: consciousness is, which is then like in another model of
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: viewing it trying to balance out the lower circuits or
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: chakras or whatever. This model is, right as we passed
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: through all the way up into whatever this Buddha hood
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: or this higher state of trying to live in the world.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And also too, like you know, you have people
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: that live choosing to look at it. I think is
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: a big thing too, Like we all have darker sides
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: inside of ourselves, and I think that's what's interesting about
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: the black mirror, right, like can you handle your inner demon? Like,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: can you look at that?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Right? And you got your own genies lamp right next
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: to us at all times?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, because I mean I think that is
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: important because then you have people that try that don't
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: look at it, and they're very fragile, you know, but
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: there live, they're still circulating through like the lower worlds, right,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: because they're still operating on these like hunger, greed, all
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: these types of things, but they're not looking at their
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: dark side, and because they're not looking at it, all
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it becomes everybody else's problems. They're the victim, right,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: And so it is interesting where I think we do
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: need to bring back the original black mirror. I think
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: we need to go to South America and revive the tradition.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: We are in America, so maybe they'll bring it up here, can.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Bring it back.
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  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: Let's all praise to zesel Culpa.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Bloody Mary, yeah yeah, right again in the mirror, that's
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: a great reference, Nick, we're all talking about mirors.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: That was the first crying mirror I've ever heard of.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: That was my first crying was that.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: And we've all done it right, We all tried to
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: see bloody Mary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, light as a feather, stiff as a board, Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: Similar thing right there.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: That's hilarious.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: I did want to bring up one last thing with
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: all this is that the astral light, this idea of
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: magic and occultism and Elphis Levy talked about the astral
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: light that is the magic mirror and so we and
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: it goes back to what you said just a little
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: bit ago, Kaiva, was that we all have a magic
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: we are the magic mirror. And this this idea isn't new,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: This idea isn't like from you know, he didn't come
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: up with it. Elphis Levy didn't come up with it.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: But it's really important to know that the central concept
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: of Levy's was the ashual light, a universal medium in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: which all magical operations take place.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: To astral light is the medium of the.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: Imagination, a vision, and of will, and it records the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: impressions of every event and every thought. It is the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: substance of which spirits and ghosts are made of. It
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: is the tool with which magicians work with. Levy's doctrine
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: of astrolite provided a comprehensive explanatory mechanism connecting magical theories,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: symbolic practice, and metaphysical cosmology. By presenting an invisible medium
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: capable of transmitting thought and spiritual force, Levey established one
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: of the most enduring theoretical concepts within the modern Western
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: esoteric tradition. And I think that's an important concept to
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: understand because then in Grant Morrison's The Invisibles, it actually
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: all magicians somehow were able to tap into this astral
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: light and then that's how they made their magic move
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: through the realms into all these things. Some people like
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: spit it up and it came out of their oriphs
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: in like a mercurial silver. So it has that mercury,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: like the visions of the gods, the writing of the alphabet,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: magic itself. And so I think it's really important to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: know that when we're going through these process us is
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: that we visualize these things as well were we are,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: and that that that goes back to interesting enough makes
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: me think of you know, as we as we wind
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: things down. It makes me think of the darkness again.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: Is like back in the day we used to go
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: outside and we used to walk within the unknown, the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: great mystery of the Kingdom of heaven. And that's with
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: the celestial splendor above and around us at all times.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: And then what you know, thinking of like how you
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: see things in the outside realm, things that go yes,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: bump in the night. But then the visual splendor you
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: and I saw just the other night, Kaiva and you
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: like were so happy and it made it even more magical.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: And it was the little fireflies, right, yeah, it's a firefly,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: but another orb and another magical light, a little being
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: who's just oppressing upon us the grandness and the wonder
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: and the splendor of the beautifulness of the darkness. Back
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: to the scrying, the black obsidian one of the first
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: crying stones the water. As the moonshine off the water,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: we are able to witness a portal into a new land.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: It's not always just a cupboard in the back of
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: a closet, right, Sometimes it is a mirror or a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: strange watery substance. There's something else I was watching and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: it's like you could to get into the fey realm.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: You jump over a bridge and into the water and
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: out you pop me the other side. But you can
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: only do it as the moonlight shines upon the water,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: and that is the time make creatures allow humans to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: walk into the other realm. I find that to be
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: beautiful and I think it's Yeah. I think it's important
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: that we don't fear what is coming, but understand that
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: we can become sovereign and allow these tools, this technology
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: that we've been with for a very long time to
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: guide us in a way that we are realize we're
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: the ones guiding ourselves because every little thing we do
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: with these magical tools reflects it back upon us and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: forever creates this Russian nesting dolls. As we're understanding what
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: it takes to become sovereign magicians and actual humans in
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: this world.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: How do you guys feel?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's great and I think
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: it's also like it does remind me as well, just
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: kind of going off of that, like how when we're
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: when we are born, we are born with all of
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: these things that personally, I think like we're looking for, right, Like,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: when we're we're born, we're looking for things I think
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: we are conscious like unconsciously on this like path looking
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: for symbols, looking for objects, looking for connection, like we
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: are looking for things. So I think it's always looking
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: for the real, looking for the authentic, looking for the pure,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: making sure that when we do have we want to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: have magical experiences, we're not going for the three drops
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: of water on the head. We're fucking diving in the
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: pool and we're getting in there and we're having that
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: rebirth experience, you know, like looking for the actual authentic thing.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: We're like temples and all that stuff are really fantastic
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: and great, but also is the pure earth and nature
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: that we live in, the non curated experience of somebody
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: else's idea of God. And so I think it's important
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: in this experience to look for the objects and sigils
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: on your own, whether it be like looking to a star,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: like when you connect with the star, you're literally entering
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: into a portal, like I've stared at star stars long enough,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: or like you just fully connect with that star and
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like in this portal with it,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and you get to see the symbols and the energy
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: that that star carries. And I think that's it takes
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: a long time, right, there's no rush because we don't
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: have a rush. And so I think keeping it real,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: keeping it authentic is like super important based on kind
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: of what we're talking about, because otherwise you're being imprinted,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: you're being curated. You're walking you think you're walking straight,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: but really there's just bumpers on either side making you
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: go straight.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's good.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: Say that goes back to a lot of expectation again,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of like you know what they say,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: like even the curiosity of a child. I think the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: the thing with the child is it hasn't you know,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: hasn't been told everything.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: This is this, and that is that.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: So sometimes we'll just look at stuff, just look at
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: it as is, you know, not coming from a bias.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: And I think when you do that, you'll see things
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: for more than what they are, because you didn't put
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: them into a box already.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, I completely guess the phenomenological experience that we
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: all are trying to do, bracket off the normal everyday
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: things that we think about things. Let's put it to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: a side so I can actually get to an experience
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: that's not clouded by my own judgments, just like I
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: seek as the fault of a lot of those in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: the community that are around In all most communities, it's
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: the human fault. And that's why it's really important to
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: look at our own perceptions and misperceptions and understand that
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: even when I'm doing something like the great work, like
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: my own magic in my own home and my own temple,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: am I clouding the divination scrying process of understanding that
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: that maybe the thing that I'm reading isn't quite correct.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: So I need to, you know, I need to go
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: back to the basics and retune the implement that I'm
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: using to perceive said whatever fill in the blank, you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: And then I think we can all finally get to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: something that matters, and then we can actually ask the
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: real questions about ourselves, and then we can come out
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: here and chat about it like we do here when
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: we're trying to be all like, I don't really I
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: have these something going on here? Does it look like
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: to you guys, like there's a massive surveillance state being
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: put up all around us right now, and that like
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: they're caring about something. We're trying to make us fight
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: against each other as the great surveillance pall and teer Oracle.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: The Oracle is watching all of us and collecting all
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: of our data. Am I crazy? Yeah?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Aliens?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Who is an alien here? I'm gonna figure it out.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: I don't my enemy.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: Well, it's wonderful, Nick, this has been fantastic. How do
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: you feel good?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: I thought it was a great show man. It was
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: better than I expected it. You know, like it is
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: always take it out with you and always a good time.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: So we surely love coming on and hanging out with you.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: You're here, Yeah, and this is fun definitely. Well, Nick,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: tell them where they can find you, please.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: The Occult Rejects. That's on Rumble YouTube, all major podcasts.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: I do have a substack now you can go check
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: that out, the Occult Rejects. And we do have a
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: cult research Institute dot org. You can check that out
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Beautiful, are you doing anything?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: What's your next few things coming out.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Right now? I am working on I did a show
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: on Life after Death. I do have I think I'm
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: probably gonna do just two things. I'm up in the air.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: Even the next thing I'm going to start recording tomorrow
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: is either going to be something on hypnosis or I
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: have stuff for mechanics of magic. Neither that or mantras
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: n Yeah, so that will be the next stuff though.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: But yeah, right now I'm editing a show on life
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: after death and the mechanics and magic stuff to do.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: With the moon.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Oh beautiful, that's a nice Yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, some interesting stuff. Some studies that were done that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: some prove old sayings and some kind of toast them
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: right out the window. And I was like, well, you know,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: why did we even think that? There's other reasons why
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: I'm crediting and much just you know, sometimes just maybe
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: the correlation of the cycle just you just go with
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: it because it matches the moon, so you just correlated
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: with it, you know.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, definitely interesting, definitely interesting.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: And I even put that whole idea about again, you
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: know what it was like when you're only using the
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: moon for light at night?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm I'm excited. Yeah,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: that's that's amazing. Yeah, So everyone make sure to go
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: check out check out all of all the great work
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: that Nick's doing with the occulted science and mechanics of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: it all. Kaiva, what do you what are you doing.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I am still currently writing book three in my Route
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Odyssey series, and I'm still doing tarot and astrology readings,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: and I do still post my daily videos when there
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: are aspects. So you can find me in eleven Kaiba
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Rose thirty three dot com, on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and yep,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: that's where you can find me.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: Great she is. I know I may be biased, and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: I do understand that, but before I was as biased
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: as I am, I also thought this, she is one
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: of the greatest traditional astrologers out there.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: She I see it.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: I watched the people walk away a lot of the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: times as they leave, astonished at the at the abilities
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: and the things that she said. So yeah, definitely go
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: check out eleven Kiva Rows and all her brilliance in
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: her novels are fantastic as well. And so if you
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: want myth magic and meaning, she's basically a walking a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: walking myth met magic and me meaning being as well.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's great. Nick's crushner right now over at
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: the Occult Rejects coming out with basically like the beginnings
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: of his magnum Opus, it seems like like like all
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: these eventually will be in some great The Occult tome
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, actually all the mechanics of magic. Eventually,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: I do plan on trying to put everything together like
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: in one book. It'll be like my version of magic
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: in theory and practice, but just a different angle.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it'll be showing you how the whole how
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: I think, like you know, through all those things will
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: be showing you just like your whole theory is. I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: do think basically in the end of it is mastering
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: your own nervous system. Yeah mm hm, because you're going
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: to see everything's affecting it.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nailed it.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: And that's what magic's been trying to teach us symsticism
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: for years. So everybody out there, maguson the media is
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: here to bring you myth, magic and meaning and the
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: stories and the feelings and the life that we are
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: living and that is the things that we love. And
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: as we know, the world is getting stranger and we
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: have to understand that if you are one like us,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: all that wake up every day and use the technology
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: that is around us. You pick up your phone and
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  Speaker 4: you check your calendar, you go to your tea, you
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  Speaker 4: flip on the news that one of these days if
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  Speaker 4: you haven't already, you must understand that you have to.
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  Speaker 4: You must see the Fenoorids, because if you're not seeing
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  Speaker 4: the Fenords, the Fnorids are definitely seeing you. And in
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  Speaker 4: the strange day and age, those floors are the ones
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  Speaker 4: that are agregorically controlling you in this demiurgic orconic control structure.
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  Speaker 4: So if we don't use the technology for the good,
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  Speaker 4: for the for the magician within, then the dark sorcerers
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  Speaker 4: will forever be holding you down. Tonight was the Real
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  Speaker 4: Black Mirror.
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  Speaker 3: Part two, Opticles, Oracles and.
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  Speaker 4: The Nervous System with Kaiva Rows and the Occult reject himself,
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  Speaker 4: Cardinal electric Head.
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  Speaker 4: occult rejects. And until next time, good night,