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Motor City Mad Mouth Show with Jeff DeForrest · Motor City Mad Mouth

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  Happy Wednesday, everybody, doubleheader Wednesday hump Day. Yes, but first of
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  all, welcome to the Motor City mad Mouse Show. Yes, you guessed
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  that, the motor City mad Mouth with yours to the Motor City mad Mouth.
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  Although it's kind of weird you're doing the Motor City mad Mouth Show you
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  live in South Florida, but there's a method behind the madness because I've lived
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  in the area and I've worked there for a couple of years prior and now
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  here we are doing it again. So at any rate, I am pleased
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  to be joined by my long time colleague Jeff the Forest. Jeff, Welcome
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  to the Big Show. It's a pleasure to be on the show. This
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  great distinction beyond with you. Scott. Known you a long long time.
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  You're a veteran of the South Florida reporting and the sports talk wars, and
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  pleasure to be on with you here tonight. It really is quite an honor
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  and distinction. Oh, we're going to have an awful lot of fun.
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  We really are. Jeff, I've been looking forward to this a while.
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  I know the history we have is incredible. So for those of you tuning
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  in, my best advice is we're going to entertain and my advice to you
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  is soak it all in and learn because we're going to talk about the past
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  and the present. So with my longtime colleague Jeff to Forest, you tell
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  you what, when you talk about Jeff to Forest in these parts, you
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  talk about a guy who's been a mainstay in this market for a long long
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  time. But that said, you know what, let's talk about our history,
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  Jeff. Going back in the early nineteen eighties, that was quite a
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  bit of fun where radio stations actually mattered as well as television stations. Oh
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  it was great. I mean I got here in nineteen eighty one. I
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  had been working at a radio station in La and I was doing an overnight
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  shift. I was trying to get into the La market, as I had
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  a couple of shows that I was doing outside of LA and some of the
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  suburbs there in Rancho Cucamonga, Fontana Corona. And I'd been working in the
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  newspaper business, and I didn't think there was that much of a future,
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  believe it or not, in nineteen eighty one, I was watching all the
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  guys pulling up in the porsches, guys like Musburger and all of these TV
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  people, radio people, they are all making a ton of money. The
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  newspaper guys were inkstain wretches. And even though I love being a sports writer,
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  I was working for a paper called the Ontario Daily Report. We called
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  it the Daily Distort because it was yesterday's news tomorrow. Believe it or not,
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  they actually had an afternoon newspaper that came out in the area to compliment
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  the daily morning newspaper that they had in Pomona. And I'm looking at all
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  this and I'm thinking, geez, I'm not making enough money. So I
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  go and I get a job just kind of in the editorial room at a
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  local radio station in la And a guy came and he said to me,
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  hey, listen, if you want to get on the air, I know
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  that's your goal, You're gonna have to go to another market. And he
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  had just come from Miami, so he gave me a bunch of names.
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  He said, you know, go there, you might be able to get
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  a job. Walking in right off the street. And sure enough, I
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  packed all my stuff whatever I can fit into my MGB. I gave the
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  rest of everything I had away, came here with maybe five dimes in my
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  pocket. To get started again, and sure enough I walked in off the
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  street and got a job at ninety WYONZ. And you were saying, Scott,
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  how radio mattered back then, and TV stations and even newspapers for that
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  matter, they were doing. They had two guys at nine forty wins.
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  It was an all news format. It was one of three or four all
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  news formatted radio stations here in the am bad and they had eight sports casts
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  going every half hour in morning and afternoon drive. So my first job was
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  to do the afternoon drive sportscast. Now you're talking about something that is covered
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  in the span of thirty seconds if they do it at all, and I
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  had three minutes to do to sports cast, and so it was enough time
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  to do a treatment on certain stories, play a couple of cuts, maybe
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  even get in a full score born if it was relevant. And it worked
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  out well for me. I couldn't believe the attention I got from that,
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  and everything that I did evolved from there. All right, let's go to
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  the chat room, Jeff, you and I could be dealing with a lot
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  of this, so so get ready for it. All that's great, We're
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  putting them all up there, all right, we gotta go with Tounkin lit
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  Zinski. Here's the guy that was repped up. Let's get this show on
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  the road. Yes, we did exactly that a little bit earlier. So
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  what you know, every time you two put two broadcasters on you, you
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  know, darn well you're gonna get an awful lot. So here we go.
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  Candy's manny seeing the chat room. Josh Spersley was going on. Fellow
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  up, they was going on Jeff and I. So with that said,
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  keep the rolling, Candy, you're doing an unbelievable job. And yeah,
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  she's really excited for this one. What's going on? Well, I've been
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  promoting it an awful lot. You should be beautiful excited it. And of
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  course Jeff is on the Mount Rushmore South Florida broadcast. Look at this,
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  I'm Mount Rushmore associated with you. Deforce as you say it, I'm a
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  stiff. It could be. No, it's great. I mean one thing
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  I have to say. And you know, I think about this from time
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  to time because you look back on your life and you see what you're doing
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  now and you're thinking, hey, it was did I make the right moves?
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  You know? And I don't know that I caught every break. During
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  the course of my career, I was very lucky to be able to do
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  a lot of things that I always wanted to do. But the I mean
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  appreciation that I even get still to this day from people and I'm still doing
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  stuff, but most of it came from doing sports talk radio for the majority
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  of the period of time and I was down here. It did a lot
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  of TV also, but it really is heartening, I mean, because you're
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  thinking, after you finish the show, geez, that sucked, but the
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  hell was that? And then you realize years later people will come running up
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  to you and they'll quote something that you said, or they said you had
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  me peeing in my pants when you did this, or some routine that we
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  did, or an interview, and it really does It makes you feel good
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  about the way that you conducted yourself during your lifetime. So very very appreciative
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  of all the good words that I hear from people. And I don't even
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  mind the hate mail, which tends to stack up a little bit also in
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  today's era. Well you know what, Okay, Blake Lozinski, you see
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  it suppotedly if you're watching you need a sponsor so much jaff and I the
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  money when you get them. Then you know what, Jeff and I are
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  going to have our own show together. How does that work? I mean,
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  yeah, I'd love to be able to work with you or you kid,
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  and I've only known it forever. I mean, he could deal with
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  my wild behavior, although back then I was a lot more mellow young.
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  I was a kid, you know, and you know, but now you
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  know, you were quite at the level of I don't know if you remember
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  this guy, Alanbarno, one of my favorites who Alan Barno was a guy.
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  He was working at kind of an obscure radio station. I think it
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  was seven forty. I forget the call letters, but they were of no
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  great significance because I think it was WSBR. I don't know that anybody listened
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  to it. Their listening audience had to be along the lines of Plutarski numbers
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  zero point zero. But Lombarno was very aggressive. He was a New Yorker
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  and he was the kind of guy that would go to a press conference.
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  And it was interesting that we met it that FAUS conference because I was teasing
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  Leslie Visser to ask Dusty May the FAU had won the game and they had
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  blown like a substantial double digit lead, and they ended up winning the game
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  by six. So my favorite question Eric was by Alan Barno. Don Shula
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  after a narrow victory, I believe over the Buffalo Bills say he's all excited,
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  he's happy, and Lebarna's first question is don can you really be happy
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  with a wind no cover? And Shula nearly threw the guy out of the
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  room. That was his last question that he asked. So we were gonna
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  throw that? I was tealing, teasing Leslie Visitor, why did you throw
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  that at Dusty May? But she came up with something about the tournament instead,
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  which was great. Let me tell you, Leslie Visitor's one of the
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  sweetest people I've ever been. Commit her many years ago at the Pontiac's Silver
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  do home and you know, during a Thanksgiving game when I asked her if
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  she might have I did an interview with her. We were sitting around the
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  Silver Dome press locks, and you know what, she was absolutely phenomenal.
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  And then when I bumped across her again at the National Sports Media Association event,
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  you know, which brings a lot of broadcasters together, we reminsked about
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  it. It was unbelievable. So all right, well you know what,
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  Jesse, super, what's up? I'll tell you what's up? Okay,
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  Jeff and I all right, So chock person has a question for you.
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  We're gonna talk about the Heat now. We're gonna just transition to things and
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  go with the floor of the chat room a right. Jeff, all right,
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  yeah, yeah, whatever you want to do. So the question for
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  joft the thoughts on the Heat this year what they have to do in the
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  offseason to become a contender again, considering they may not make the playoffs this
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  year. I think they'll make the playoffs this year. It looks like they're
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  in a decent position to do that. I mean, you only have to
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  be in the attend spawn. I was looking at the standings just the other
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  day. It looks like, you know, I mean, you would want
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  to avoid the playing game, that's for sure. I know. They kind
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  of got lucky and made it all the way to the finals last year,
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  and that came as a big surprise because this season is somewhat similar to what
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  we saw last year. Is and that Scott where they're sort of in a
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  malaise and you can't figure out which way they're going to go. During a
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  regular season, you'll see a couple of spurts where they have several good games
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  in succession, and then you're looking and you're wondering, what the I don't
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  know, can we use any kind of salty language on the show or resent
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  tam book, So you know, you're asking yourself what the fuck is going
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  on out there? And sure enough, you look this year, I mean
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  even the game last night against Golden State, very lame Golden State team that
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  seems to be dissipating and falling apart, and they're run appears to certainly be
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  over and they're just barely hanging on. They got Houston breathing down their next
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  for the tenth spot, believe it or not in the West. But you
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  look at a heat, I mean, what was the story of the game.
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  You look at the box score, and it's all that did not plays,
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  not coaches decision. But yeah, no Jimmy Butler, no Duncan Robinson,
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  no Richardson, he was out of there. What's up a Tyler?
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  Hero? Does he play? Is he hurt? They describe his injury status
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  like he was a hockey player. They don't even give you a body part
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  anymore. We don't know what's wrong with this guy, and so they haven't
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  really had their lineup in there. I know that kind of tormented them a
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  little bit last year, and maybe they came together towards the end of the
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  season then made that big playoff run, but I'm not sure that's happening this
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  year. I think they get into the postseason. Are they as good as
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  the other teams in the East. It certainly seemed to be light years behind
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  Boston known choking franchise that they haven't really established that they can do it,
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  although they look great and far superior to everybody else throughout the regular season.
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  But I don't see them as a championship team. And what do they have
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  to do in the offseason. That's a tough call because it seemed like everybody
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  had that figured out last offseason where they needed Damian Willard and they didn't get
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  them. But they need somebody else to compliment Jimmy Butler, And I don't
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  know what do you think, Scott, I mean, when do you think
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  about Jimmy Butler's overall wasn't he supposed to be the epitome of heat culture?
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  Well, you know what, that's a great question, John, but he
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  seems sort of detached a little bit this year. Well, you know,
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  Jimmy Butler is all those kinds of guys that I would love to build a
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  team around him. He's got the heart of a lion, he really really
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  does. But again, you know, the Miami Heat, they extend Eric
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  Spolstra, so they certainly know can identify a good coach when they see him.
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  You know what, I covered the Detroit Pistons for a lot of years,
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  I want to tell you right now, and that's when during the good
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  old days, you know, when the bad boys existed, and they always
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  joy I enjoyed watching these two teams go at it. The Heat just they
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  somehow, some way, they've got to find a way to get everybody on
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  the same page on it given night. What do you need a psychologist as
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  coach? I mean, NBA players, aren't they getting paid enough money?
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  But I love Jimmy Butler, I really do, you know, So it's
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  to me, what's happening to them reminds me of Batman. Okay, now
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  it's a it's we're going to call it the Riddler, okay or the Joker.
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  What we're looking at, right? Yeah, it's more like, I
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  don't know, if you remember this guy used to do ads for getting government
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  money to establish various businesses. Oh yeah, that guy. Shouldn't he come
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  out on the court where a jacket with question marks all over it? Because
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  I don't know that they're going to be able to provide us with answers.
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  I think they'll go into this next offseason. You know, pat Riley has
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  a plan in mind, but I don't know that he's going to be able
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  to execute it or where he's going to find the ingredients to put together a
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  championship caliber team. It's one of those situations where he's sort of stuck with
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  what he has. But I thought Jimmy Butler would bring a little bit more
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  overall fire and passion to the regular season. Maybe maybe players don't care about
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  the regular season anymore, but you would definitely want to dodge being in the
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  seventh, eighth, ninth, or tenth spot and the heat. I think
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  they really got lucky surviving that last year. We saw they were almost out
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  of it a couple of times. They lost the game in Atlanta and then
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  they ended up having to play in Chicago. They were down with four minutes
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  to go and almost knocked down to the playoffs before it even got under way
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  officially. So yeah, they seem to be a long way away from where
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  they want to be right now. And if they're not going to get just
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  ultimate passion, fire and stand out play every night, a big commitment from
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  Jimmy Butler, maybe he'll turn it around in the playoffs, so called playoff
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  Jimmy, I don't give a lot of credibility to their chances of going deep
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  into the playoffs this year. Yeah, I don't think Jimmy Butler could have
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  played for Phil Jackson or Chuck Daly. And I know this full world with
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  Chuck Daily. And I'll tell you why I say that, Jeff, because
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  Chuck Daily expected you and only practice her. But he used to manipulate the
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  minutes of his players in practice. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the they'd be
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  on the bench. And Phil Jackson is for all he's done and all the
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  championships he's won with exceptional talent. Okay, you need a guy for you
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  what you just said, Okay, to be engaged the whole time so you
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  don't find yourself at the bottom of the food chain seed wise, And I
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  agree with the one hundred percent. So back to Joshua Bursty real quick,
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  he said, definitely similar to the last season. Okay, Panthers were able
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  to stay hot after last year's playoffs after a comparable season the heat last year.
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  We'll continue on, but you know, well, the next question is
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  one I really like. Okay, well, well is that Jeff as a
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  compan from Duncan Losiski. Jeff as someone who started their career in radio,
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  ross Anty, can you speak to the pros and the cons and the differences
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  of radio versus modern day streaming talk shows like podcast. I'm going to mention
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  that, but you know what, go ahead, this is a good Oh
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  well, I mean it's an easy answer. I actually started in newspapers and
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  run for newspapers for four or five years, and then, like I said,
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  I saw there was no money and it's so I transitioned into electronic media.
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  But the simple answer to that question radio is dead dead. I mean
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  it's dead on arrival if you look at what's happened. I mean, even
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  in my last venture, I was doing a deal that nine to forty wins.
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  Ironically, I ended up where I started after about a thirty year hiatus
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  and my partner and I on the show, a gentleman named Mike Loubi.
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  Lubits had been doing really I thought we were having as much fun as we'd
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  had in the business. You know, it wasn't like we were getting any
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  support from the radio station, but we were working on kind of a barn
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  basis where we were getting free airtime. We had to go out sell our
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  own ads. So that was fine. I mean, that was an arrangement
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  that I had learned about very early on in my career and doing radio,
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  and it's essentially what you have to do right now with these podcasts and the
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  streaming. And so we were doing fine. We were bringing them a great
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  local show, and sure enough, there was a corporate decision made outside of
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  Miami where the Fox people wanted to enhance this new show that they were putting
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  out in the morning that featured Brady Quinn and a couple of other guys.
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  So in the span of a week, we went from you know, hey,
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  you guys are doing a great job, really good to have you on
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  the radio station to that meeting that you never want to have where the program
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  director calls you. And this was during COVID, so we weren't going to
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  the radio station, at least I wasn't. And the call came like before
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  my last word, it even hit the delay. The program director rarely spoke
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  to me at all for some reason, and I'd liked it that way,
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  and she's calling. I thought, okay, this can't be good news.
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  And sure enough, and we were simulcasting our show on the Palm Beach station.
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  We're doing a great service for these guys in terms of providing free programming.
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  And they tell me they're going in another direction, and you know how
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  that goes. I don't know if you've ever been fired. If you haven't
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  been fired from a radio job, then you probably weren't in the business very
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  long. But and you're thinking to yourself, hey, I can go in
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  that direction. What's wrong with me? What do you want me to do?
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  But they wanted to enhance the value by having a major market for their
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  national show, which was gonna bomb anyway. And so my friend and I
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  say this all the time that my buddy Mike, who got caned with me
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  on that one and still works with me today on our streaming, I said,
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  we're the only guys that were ever beaten out for a starting job by
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  Brady Quinn. Can you imagine no. Yeah, but that's the direction of
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  the business. They don't care about the local audience anymore. And it's reflected
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  in the results that these radio stations are getting because where the sports stations used
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  to dominate in South Florida, we were getting tremendous ratings when I was at
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  WYOD in five sixty w q AM. All of those years, sports was
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  doing real well, and then all of a sudden, if you look at
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  they're at the bottom of the rankings in every Nielsen reading book, and you
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  went from having four or five sports stations in town now down to one.
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  Essentially, in a major market like Miami, you have three local shows,
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  which tells you what the status of the business is. So it's a good
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  time to get out. I would start streaming right away, buy yourself a
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  little camera set up, and get involved in streaming, and you can kind
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  of carve out your own career, which is a nice aspect of what's happening
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  today. Great question, Tuc and Josh. I'm gonna take their questions as
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  we go along and go ahead and include them with a lot of the topics
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  because it's good that you're quiet. I like the way you're doing this.
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  You got a lot of audience participations. That's why I tell you when you
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  have to go in to the show. You know what I say, go
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  longer. But I live by the chat room and we'll keep these things going.
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  And Joshua is a guy that I'll be developing as time goes on.
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  You want to talk about a guy that wants to learn the business. Joshua
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  has made his mark in the chat room and does an unbelievable job. I've
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  known him for a while. I like to develop guys. My first job
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  in the business was at WXYZ Radio in Detroit, is a producer for a
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  sports talk show, and then I went on to do a lot of other
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  gigs with Toeorg Tryhorn, my colleague as well. So josh here we're gonna
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  do you say question for me. What do you think VR goggles are going
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  to do to change the way spectators use worth from their homes? Do you
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  know anything about that one? That's a good question. I don't know that
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  I have any kind of definitive or credible answer for that because I'm not even
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  really familiar with this stuff. But yeah, I'm not not you know a
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  technical giant when it comes to some of the new things and innovations. Now,
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  are you familiar with this? Because I really couldn't answer that, I'll
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  be honest with you, until Josh brought it up. I didn't even know
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  what it was. Yeah, sorry, Josh. I'm not a client to
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  walk around the house with a pair of goggles on. That alters my state
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  of mind. I've had rubs it, done that, but never with a
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  pair of goggles. Scott, that one's new to me. Alright, So
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  Josh, I got a two part question, okay, and it'll pair up
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  with the top broadcast of the market. But first though, I'm going to
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  play the name game with jefter Forrest. Yeah, all right, the name
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  game. First of all, give me some comments of about Sonny Hirsch.
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  Here's the guy I got to know well, and I love Sonny, the
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  big baseball guy. We know he's a Miami Hurricane guy. Sonny and Iceman
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  Council at the time, but we talk about Sonny hers Sonny. He was
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  one of a kind. There's no doubt about a legendary University of Miami voice
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  and had done it for years and years and years. And of course we
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  know that Sonny liked to gamble a little bit, and it's funny that you
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  bring him up, because I was doing a show today and one of our
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  weekly features is a segment called All School with the great Tony Sigretto, who
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  was, of course a legendary broadcaster. He comes on with us every week
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  on a Wednesday, and he brought up the time that Sonny Hirsch, of
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  course, what was involved in a little bit of book making, or so
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  it seemed, was asserted, and so he had had his parents. Tony's
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  parents had called him and asked him if he could get a bet down on
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  the Kentucky Derby. So he said sure, So who did he know who
• 20:11
  could get a bet down on a Kentucky Derby? Sonny? So Sonny makes
• 20:15
  the bet for him, and I think it was like twenty to win on
• 20:18
  the horse that ended up winning the Derby that year. So his parents,
• 20:22
  Tony's parents are all excited because they're going to get back a couple of hundred
• 20:26
  bucks. And as the race is ending, Tony turns on the news and
• 20:30
  there's Sonny with a raincoat over his head being taken out of the house in
• 20:34
  handcuffs because he had been busted for book mak he eventually was. I guess
• 20:40
  there was no consequence of this and the situation was resolved without him suffering any
• 20:47
  kind of punitive aspect of it. But it happened to me the same sort
• 20:51
  of thing. It's funny that he brought that up, because I don't know
• 20:53
  if you remember the Sun Cruise or these three hour cruises that used to go
• 20:57
  out. You could gamble for three outside. Yeah, matter of fact,
• 21:00
  I do remember them. Yeah, the cruise to nowhere. So the Sun
• 21:03
  crews at one time, when they read the late Gus Bullis had had a
• 21:08
  sports book. Very briefly on there. They were kind of challenging the parameters
• 21:12
  of the laws of Florida, figuring, okay, well we'll take sports action
• 21:15
  while we're out there outside the three mile limited in international waters. So my
• 21:19
  buddy and I go on there and we had a big lean on. I
• 21:23
  gained them involved the Gators. They were playing a late afternoon game. So
• 21:27
  sure enough, somehow we prevail in this ballgame, and I think we had
• 21:30
  two hundred apiece on the Gators to win the game. But when we went
• 21:34
  to cash our ticket, they told us they couldn't cash it. Because they
• 21:37
  were already on their way back and they were inside the three mile limit.
• 21:41
  So now, and this was a situation where we had put up the two
• 21:44
  hundred to win the two we put up two twenty to win two hundred.
• 21:48
  And that night I turn on the news, I'm going to have to go
• 21:51
  back out there to collect my money on another trip. And when I turn
• 21:53
  on the news, there they are on Channel seven with choppers above the boat
• 21:59
  and the and these guys that were running the sports book off in handcuffs,
• 22:02
  and they got raincoats over their head. So we're thinking, shoot, well,
• 22:07
  we're never going to get paid on this thing. Luckily I had made
• 22:10
  some arrangements with somebody else later on and I did get my money. But
• 22:14
  yeah, no worse feeling than seeing Sometimes it's good, right seeing your booky
• 22:17
  taking away in handcuffs. But there were two examples of it, you know,
• 22:21
  that just were brought up today. But Sonny was quite a character.
• 22:23
  I mean, he was always always looking over his bets that he was making.
• 22:27
  He'd be doing a ball game and all of a sudden he would like
• 22:30
  slam his fist on the table, even though the Hurricanes were having like an
• 22:33
  eight run rally, and you think, what's the matter, Sonny, And
• 22:37
  sure enough he had like the White Sox, you know, against against the
• 22:41
  Indians, and he had just seen that they had scored six runs against him
• 22:45
  in the third inning, and out of frustration, he would let that out
• 22:48
  right on the air. He was great. We traveled around all over the
• 22:52
  country together doing um basketball for a few years, and of course the baseball
• 22:56
  games, and I travel with him doing foot as well. And he knew
• 23:02
  every good restaurant in every town, and he wasn't afraid to go ahead and
• 23:07
  turn in an expense sheet that would ringise some eyebrows, as he claimed that
• 23:11
  he had taken the entire coaching staff out to dinner like three of the five
• 23:15
  nights that we were out of town. So I don't know what he was
• 23:18
  doing. He must have been covering up some gambling losses. But he was
• 23:21
  quite a character. And of course I beloved my many and we'll be missed.
• 23:23
  Yeah, well, I'll tell you my memories of him. You know.
• 23:27
  Obviously back then we had the Fort Lauerdale Yankees of Miami Marlins, the
• 23:32
  state league team, and I got to know Sonny in a lot of different
• 23:34
  ways, and I'll tell you what, if there's ever a time when I
• 23:37
  wish I would have had a camera phone, that would have been it was
• 23:40
  Sonny. Sonny's the one guy. I don't know if a lot of people
• 23:42
  in this market appreciate the old school days, but Sonny Hearst's memories should always
• 23:48
  be to me cemented in nothing but positive things. And I think the rule
• 23:52
  was Sonny Hurst. Now, as soon as you bring him up, I
• 23:55
  can't help but think. I think it was Gino to Horace Copeland. Yeah,
• 23:59
  and Sonny called ninety nine yards. That was one great one. And
• 24:03
  then nobody will ever forget this when Kenny Calhoun tipped that pass away in the
• 24:08
  Nebraska game, when the Hurricanes won their national championship there in the Orange Bowl
• 24:12
  on January what first of nineteen eighty four, Bernie Coast Iron Company. They
• 24:17
  get out to the big lead and then you're seeing Nebraska with maybe I mean
• 24:22
  a lot of people thought that was the best college roster ever assembled. That
• 24:25
  you could make some arguments maybe for some of those Hurricane teams and maybe some
• 24:29
  others, but I mean they had incredible talent on that team. Irving Firing
• 24:33
  Company, Stein Cooler and You'll never forget the voice of Sonny Hirsch on the
• 24:37
  call when Kenny Calhoun tipped away the two point conversion. And I can still
• 24:41
  hear Sonny in my head saying, deflect it away, deflect it away.
• 24:45
  So he was certainly a broadcaster of legendary status and well loved by everybody around
• 24:49
  ten. I could hear his voice in my head all the time. We
• 24:53
  mentioned a few things that Candy's gonna go out there and do some business here.
• 24:59
  But all right, let's talk about Larry Bluestein, a guy that I'm
• 25:00
  very close with. Larry, to me is a guy that doesn't get as
• 25:03
  much recognition as a lot of people. But Larry, in my opinion,
• 25:07
  as a guy that's been a member of the South Florida of the sports media
• 25:11
  forever and now he's doing an exceptional job with high school sports. He really,
• 25:17
  you know, calm down a market for himself there. He's kind of
• 25:18
  like the mel Kiper of high school sports where nobody really was doing much with
• 25:22
  it. Bluestein, I think when I met him he might have been writing
• 25:26
  for the Now defunct, which you could put that preface before most newspapers,
• 25:30
  but the now defunct Hollywood son Tatler. I think he was covering high school
• 25:34
  sports for them, always considered an expert, and he was one of those
• 25:40
  guys Scott that I always admire, where they know so much about their sport
• 25:44
  that you just have to be amazed that he could know things in the levels
• 25:48
  of minutiae and obscurity that he knew about. You could name off just about
• 25:52
  anybody, talk about some kid that was a third string long snapper from Belglade,
• 25:57
  and he would have all the details about him so very thorough. I
• 26:02
  think he, you know, thrived because he stayed with his business and was
• 26:07
  recognized so commonly by everybody around the country as the expert on high school players
• 26:11
  here in South Florida and maybe nationally as well. But yeah, probably the
• 26:17
  single greatest authority on local high school football. And let's face it, when
• 26:21
  Howard Schnellenberger part of that whole thing that happened in nineteen eighty three, in
• 26:26
  the early eighties, what was that Schnellenberger pointed out that South Florida was the
• 26:30
  hotbed, I mean, one of the greatest places to recruit talent, and
• 26:33
  the rest of the world caught up with it, and I think you know
• 26:37
  that was to the detriment of some of the local schools here in Florida State,
• 26:40
  Florida and Miami because those three used to compete almost exclusively for the South
• 26:45
  Florida talent. And then all of a sudden he would look around and go,
• 26:48
  Hey, is that Nick Saban over here at Saint Thomas? What is
• 26:49
  he doing here? And so, yeah, Bluestein, he was brilliant at
• 26:53
  what he did and still is today, I believe. Every now and then
• 26:56
  I see him on TV. So you still going to yeah, I see
• 26:59
  him. Fact, let me tell you that he ended up going to the
• 27:02
  Hallandale die just my former paper, and then began to work with the South
• 27:07
  Florida somen times and he worked with his uncle Peter Blueston, and the Hallandale
• 27:11
  Dieges was a place where I got my main start and met a lot of
• 27:15
  people like you and everybody else in the business because I was able to go
• 27:18
  to games, and then I got to feel for the area as well.
• 27:22
  So, yeah, Larry's done unbelievable what he's done covering out, like you
• 27:26
  said, jeff A Niche in this market in high schools. Nothing sort of
• 27:29
  incredible, all right, and I'm gonna mention a few more names. We're
• 27:32
  gonna turn over to Candy. He'll give us about a minute. Okay,
• 27:34
  well, let's talk about Rick Weaver, voice of the Miami Dolphins. Hey
• 27:38
  you Rappie catam Rick Weaver strange cat. And you know, I worked with
• 27:42
  Rick a little bit, and he was one of those guys that just really
• 27:48
  was the epitome of the old school played by play guy. He was the
• 27:52
  sports director at WYOD when I got hired there, although he didn't really have
• 27:56
  that much to do with the day to day operation of what was happening,
• 28:00
  was pretty much exclusively involved with the Miami Dolphins. Had a great voice,
• 28:04
  uh, and he had a slogan that is kind of hokey. He had
• 28:08
  all these corny phrases that he used to use and work into the game.
• 28:11
  But one of them was very graphic and very vivid when he used to describe
• 28:15
  a fumble and he would say that ball slipped down of there in like a
• 28:18
  wet watermelon seed. But he didn't seem like the most approachable of guys.
• 28:23
  He was one of those guys that you know, you get guys in the
• 28:26
  media sometimes and you think maybe they're they're a little bit full of themselves.
• 28:29
  Although he was a decent enough human being, but did seem to be a
• 28:33
  guy that projected an air not necessarily superiority, but that you know, he
• 28:40
  thought he was the ship and you know so dealings with him are always pleasant,
• 28:45
  but not necessarily the kind of guy that you were gonna go and have
• 28:48
  a drink with after the ball game. Okay, well, you know what,
• 28:51
  we talked about betting a little bit there anybody, and this market bigger
• 28:55
  than Hank Goldberg. And I did get a photo with him over at the
• 28:57
  Florida Derby. Aink Goldberg was a good friend of mine that really really liked.
• 29:03
  I think he died a couple of years ago when he was living in
• 29:04
  Vegas, but two years ago on his birthday. Yeah, that's right.
• 29:07
  Good, So give me your thoughts about Hank Goldbery. He's a great guy.
• 29:11
  And you know what, every time I talked to him, he was
• 29:14
  always were there to give me a time. I think he'd asked, and
• 29:18
  he made a name nationally on ESPN. But what are your thoughts about Hank?
• 29:22
  Hank was always great to me. It's funny. As a broadcaster,
• 29:26
  his shows were sort of comical to me because of my own approach and a
• 29:30
  way that I perceived doing things. And it always amazed me that Hank would
• 29:34
  get so irritated. It wasn't an act either, I mean, he really
• 29:37
  would get upset with people that called up, and you know, sometimes he
• 29:42
  was prone to making mistakes where he would he was, you know, trying
• 29:51
  to impress somebody. One day, he had Will Clark on, who's not
• 29:53
  the most personable of individuals. I think, well Clark must have been pushed
• 29:59
  into this place pr guy who was during spring training, and I believe Will
• 30:03
  Clark was with the Giants, and Hank mistakenly thought that he was talking to
• 30:07
  Jack Clark. So he started talking about how he was a ball boy with
• 30:12
  the team and this, that and the other thing, and he started mentioning
• 30:15
  a bunch of stuff that was very specific to Jack Clark, and Will Clark,
• 30:19
  not being as I said, I mean, the most affable of people,
• 30:23
  said you're talking about Jack Clark and he hung up the phone. That
• 30:27
  was the kind of thing. I mean, Hank would make these kind of
• 30:30
  things. He would have like Bud Seligan, who had been ragging on for
• 30:34
  you know, months and years and talking about what an indiot, what an
• 30:37
  imbecile this guy was, and I was ruined the game of baseball. And
• 30:41
  then he had a tendency to kind of what would you say, I mean,
• 30:45
  it's a form of sugarcoating. I guess any of these interviews, and
• 30:47
  we used to joke, you know, Hank would be talking maybe to Adolf
• 30:49
  Hitler, and he'd say something along the lines of like, well, you
• 30:52
  know, you got a bad rap with the Jews. Ad Off, You're
• 30:56
  like, hey, how could you possibly not address this? And so yeah,
• 31:00
  he had Bud Selig on and after ripping him to shreds for for years,
• 31:06
  when Celily comes out, he goes, oh, but it's great to
• 31:07
  have you on the show. What a great job you're doing. Baseball was
• 31:11
  not the same. Before you get it, You're like, Hank, how
• 31:14
  could you do this blow jump on this guy? It's impossible. I mean,
• 31:17
  you're losing all credibility. But aside from that, when he was performing,
• 31:21
  when he wasn't performing, even though he seemed to be irascible and cantankerous
• 31:25
  and all of his stuff and have a very short vieuse, he really had
• 31:29
  a big heart. And I had, you know, a thing happened to
• 31:33
  me where you know, you would have thought, all of a sudden,
• 31:36
  a lot of people are going to turn it back on you. And Hank,
• 31:38
  who I wasn't that close to hi, although I had known him for
• 31:41
  a long time, what was the first guy to call me and say,
• 31:45
  Hey, the forest, if you need anything, call me, And you
• 31:48
  know he was there like that. He tried to help me get some jobs.
• 31:52
  He actually was instrumental in me getting my first real big breakdown here on
• 31:56
  the radio. Even though I'd worked in radio before. I had transitioned into
• 32:00
  TV and I was working with Sunshine Network which now has become Bally Sports Florida
• 32:06
  and Bally Sports sun and Hank asked me if I would work with him for
• 32:10
  WYOD on a one day freelance basis to cover the Breeders Cup when I was
• 32:15
  at Gulstream Park, and he said that he needed somebody to be able to
• 32:20
  fill for him for about a half hour because he was going to have to
• 32:22
  go do something else. He worked at Channel four, which was the NBC
• 32:25
  affiliated, so they were having him tape something during the course of the day,
• 32:30
  and I ended up taking over that show even though I'd never been on
• 32:32
  WYODS air before and fortunately for me, the program director was a guy named
• 32:37
  Gary Bruce, and he was sort of engineering while I was hosting this part
• 32:40
  of the show, and he was impressed with what I did, and the
• 32:44
  next thing, you know, I ended up working there. And it was
• 32:45
  the thing that was a springboard for me to trigger just about everything else I
• 32:50
  did in the business. What was getting a chance to host sports talk sixtenths.
• 32:53
  So Hank was always a very endearing figure for me. I always saw
• 32:57
  him around different places because we were degenerate, so I saw him at the
• 33:00
  track. And oddly, I was about to call him the day that he
• 33:05
  died because I was coming out to Vegas for my own birthday celebration. We
• 33:08
  were born one day apart. He was born in July fourth. I'm a
• 33:10
  July fifth baby, and I thought, well, geez, I want to
• 33:15
  get together with Hank in Las Vegas. So I'm going to pick up the
• 33:16
  phone and call him and wish him a happy birthday. And this was two
• 33:20
  years ago, I believe, and that was the day that he passed away.
• 33:22
  But he had had problems with kidney issues and had been waiting for a
• 33:29
  kidney transplant. But since he was in his eighties, very hard to get
• 33:31
  and he just had to deal with that and very proud. He was so
• 33:36
  proud that he was working right to the end. He loved doing what he
• 33:38
  did and took a lot of pride in the fact that he was the man
• 33:42
  when it came to gambling. A big fan of Pete Axtim also so when
• 33:45
  he replaced him on ESPN for Hank, that was a big thrill. Good
• 33:50
  guy all the way around in general, even though a lot of people thought
• 33:52
  that he kind of treated people like an asshole, that was as far from
• 33:57
  the truth as it could be about him in reality. Yea degree the more
• 34:00
  if I understand correctly, I think Hank paid for Sonny for Hursh's feerald,
• 34:02
  isn't he very possible? Yeah? No, he was like that, and
• 34:06
  he wouldn't be the kind that would go running around saying, hey, you
• 34:07
  know what I pay for this? He was very good like that. I
• 34:13
  mean, uh, guys, don't offer you money when it looks like you're
• 34:15
  going to be, you know, maybe up against it for a while.
• 34:16
  Trust me. I mean it's even your parents don't want to talk to you
• 34:20
  at that fun time. They're not taking your call, and so I always
• 34:22
  appreciated that about Hank Kolberg, and there were several other times if you tried
• 34:25
  to help me get involved in, you know, taking a step up the
• 34:29
  ladder in different jobs. Let's talk about Edward Lenner, a guy that I've
• 34:32
  known as long as you have, and I stand to them on social media
• 34:36
  and then to me, one of the finer people in the business. And
• 34:38
  certainly his opinions are opinions that I do pay a close attention to. But
• 34:45
  I think it is another really fine guy in this market that you know,
• 34:50
  to me, could have gotten a bigger job. But what are your thoughts
• 34:52
  about Eddie? Eddie b I'll say this, He's one of two people in
• 34:57
  broadcasting that I think you can say this about. Bob Costas would be one
• 35:02
  and ed Berlinner would be the other, that have never flubbed a word in
• 35:07
  their life. Have you ever heard this guy stumble? He's never reaching for
• 35:10
  I mean, just as smooth as it could be. So yeah, I
• 35:14
  got to know it in my initial entree into the market here and Ed I
• 35:20
  believe he was doing TV sports on Channel six, which was an independent station
• 35:23
  at the time, and he was always very coold with me. He offered
• 35:28
  me a couple of opportunities to substitute for him, even though I didn't have
• 35:30
  that kind of TV experience. And so yeah, always a good guy,
• 35:35
  still in touch today, still doing things, and has had a lot of
• 35:38
  different jobs in broadcasting. But I think you could go over every Ed Berlinner
• 35:43
  radio performance and every television tape that he has and you will never find him
• 35:49
  stumbling over word, which is a remarkable thing, you know, especially you
• 35:52
  know if you've been doing this for a long time, but never at a
• 35:55
  loss and always very slick, very smooth. Yeah, very good friend of
• 36:00
  mine. I have so much respect for what he's done in this industry.
• 36:02
  No, he's great, great voice too, I mean, the booming voice
• 36:05
  of all time broadcasting voices I've ever heard. Yeah, it is anything but
• 36:12
  boring, That's what I'll say. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure
• 36:15
  I love any b but I had a tendency not to agree with a lot
• 36:17
  of his opinions, to be honest with you, Scott, that's a different
• 36:21
  animal, Jeff. I mean, come on, the guy does his opinions
• 36:24
  are all over their place. But because we know the guy, he's sort
• 36:28
  of extreme on some of this stuff. Well, that's being nice about it,
• 36:30
  all right. Yeah, man, Let's talk about Tony Sigrette, who
• 36:34
  eventually became the replacement for Ralph Rennick doing news. And one of the things
• 36:38
  in my book is how a lot of guys are able to leave sports and
• 36:43
  make transition to the news. I believe I mentioned Tony Sigurero after you talk
• 36:46
  about Tony Kandy's gonna take over for above about thirty six thirty seconds can give
• 36:51
  some company stuff. So what are your thoughts about Tony Sigretro, who was
• 36:53
  actually Ralph Rennick's replacement. Tony's great I mean, the first class guy's pinomium
• 37:00
  class. Always has been a great guy, roots for everybody, a genuine
• 37:05
  lover of sports, and I mean, you can't you can't really, you
• 37:09
  know, I imagine how this guy was, you know, dominating as the
• 37:13
  number one guy in sports and then transition to the news. I tried doing
• 37:16
  that when I was at the newspaper one time. Believe it or not.
• 37:20
  People thought that I was wasting my talents in sports because I was goofing around
• 37:24
  too much and gambling and going to the track and doing all kinds of crazy
• 37:28
  stuff. And I thought I had some ability as an editorial presence at this
• 37:34
  newspaper, so they moved me to the newsdesk for a week to be the
• 37:37
  guy that was laying out the paper, the front page and the all thing.
• 37:39
  And I couldn't stand it, Scott. I was ready to I literally
• 37:44
  was ready to just put a gun under my chin and blow my brains out,
• 37:45
  you know, by the middle of the Wednesday of the first week.
• 37:50
  So the making that transition is not easy to do, I mean might be
• 37:52
  easier in Tony's circumstance because he was on TV and you're basically reading the stuff
• 37:57
  off a telepropter. But he did it a smooth as anybody. He still
• 38:00
  works with me on a show every week, and we've been doing that for
• 38:05
  several years now, I want to say, the better part of seven or
• 38:07
  eight years. And it's great because he still has the passion for it.
• 38:14
  One of those guys that's willing to help anybody, any young guy, and
• 38:16
  anybody comes up to him with a question, he never blows him off.
• 38:20
  And his closeness, his relationships in town with the top sports stars were I
• 38:25
  mean unparalleled by virtually anybody else. He was in there with Shula, with
• 38:30
  Marino, with Schnellenberger, you know. And he was as tight with any
• 38:32
  of these people as anyone and always conducted himself with tremendous just like I said,
• 38:38
  the epitome of class in dignity. A great guy deserved all of the
• 38:43
  credit that he got, and we always tease him because we say that Anne
• 38:45
  Bishop, who was a big time broadcaster now being put in the South Florida
• 38:51
  Broadcasting Hall of Fame, probably long overdue. She was his rival as a
• 38:54
  news anchor on Channel ten at the time, I think Tony was a Channel
• 38:58
  six and we always tease them then and Bishop I woke up every day when
• 39:01
  the ratings come out in the fetal position because Tony was burying everybody, whether
• 39:05
  he was in sports or news. So he gets a kick out of that,
• 39:07
  but very passionate. His daughter is now working for NBC nationally and is
• 39:15
  working behind the scenes doing I think she's either doing graphics or producing and is
• 39:21
  involved in some big projects she's been doing. They had what NBC had Sunday
• 39:24
  Night football, she was on that, and she's going to be part of
• 39:28
  their Olympic coverage. So yeah, the family's doing real well. That Tony
• 39:30
  a great guy. Couldn't have any more of respect for the gentleman that Tony
• 39:35
  Sagrena was. Yeah, well, I'll tell you. I remember meeting Tony
• 39:37
  Segretto when I was working with The Helld'll Die. Just always suspected his specast,
• 39:42
  and then when I got to meet him, I knew that there's more
• 39:45
  to this guy than just being a sportscaster newscaster at a terrific guy really is,
• 39:49
  Yeah, he really is. And a lot of you folks out there,
• 39:51
  if you've never seen Tony Sigretto in action Tony YouTube, you're going to
• 39:54
  find out. You'll learn a lot from this guy. Well, and his
• 39:58
  big thing too was people forget he was nationally featured on a show that was
• 40:01
  kind of a revolutionary at the time, the Michael Sports Machine, and that
• 40:07
  was one of the I mean before ESPN existed. They were doing a week
• 40:13
  recap with highlights on Sunday night and that became a big thing, and then
• 40:17
  all of the local stations started picking up these Sunday night shows, and Tony
• 40:22
  was the number one filling for George Michael. And I think Michael had some
• 40:25
  kind of health problem one year and Tony was hosting it and reached a great
• 40:30
  national acclaim from that. He's interviewed presidents. I mean, this guy's been
• 40:32
  all over the place and it really has always distinguished himself in the most honorable
• 40:38
  fashion. Yeah. I think if you're ever going to find a top ten
• 40:43
  list of broadcasters in this market, there's no question Tony Sigretto should be on.
• 40:45
  No, he might be right there at the top when it comes to
• 40:47
  sportscasting. I'm going to turn over to Candy real quick. Candy take over
• 40:52
  for about a minute and we'll continue on with our show. We have a
• 40:55
  busy chat room. Then when we're going to have addressed Josh question about top
• 41:00
  local broadcast, So Marcumcandy has a business. Take care, all right,
• 41:04
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• 41:08
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• 41:36
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  or Barnes and Noble. Back to you, Scott, all right, Candy,
• 42:25
  thank you very much for your pre frillion about it. I love that
• 42:29
  great job by Canny. You know she's Unla. I'll tell you things.
• 42:31
  She's a jack of all tradeses woman. She's carrying you, Scott. Let's
• 42:36
  face it. I mean at the press conference. I mean she's making all
• 42:39
  the contacts, she's making all the moves. She was fantastic. So she's
• 42:44
  her. I'm there at FAU at that time. Oh that was that was
• 42:46
  incredible. I'm gonna tell you something. All I am was a broadcasting talent.
• 42:52
  I do a lot of writing and help do the tributa. But without
• 42:53
  her putting it up our content on the website and her doing what she does
• 42:59
  her time, I have to do it by myself because she's busy during the
• 43:01
  day with her day job. But she's unbelievable. All right, Well,
• 43:05
  you know what, that's good to have that support. You know, when
• 43:07
  I started my broadcast in the morning, I get shout out about a quarter
• 43:08
  to seven. Now, quarter to eight, we start doing our first broadcast,
• 43:13
  and my wife, you know, if she's you know upstairs, you
• 43:16
  know, every now and then she'll scream, hey, can you keep that
• 43:20
  down. So I'm not getting the same kind of support at home that you're
• 43:24
  getting, Scott. Believe me, it's a lot easier to operate in the
• 43:27
  circumstances that you're in than it is to always find this hostility. Maybe that's
• 43:30
  part of my own doing, though, you guys have to have a good
• 43:32
  relationship for her to be as stead of cad. Come mind, you how
• 43:36
  long you've been, how long you've been married for? Well, I mean,
• 43:38
  do you want to add them all up? Or you just want this
• 43:42
  one episode here that I'm in right now? Tell me. Let's see,
• 43:45
  I went eight, i went ten, and now I'm in my eighth year
• 43:51
  again. So total of twenty six years. Dividing my three women, that's
• 43:53
  eight what is that eight and two thirds? So that's my average run with
• 43:59
  marriage. So I haven't had the greatest luck in this circumstance. In fact,
• 44:02
  I was going to name my boat horses and divorces, because if it
• 44:07
  wasn't for those two things, I would have had the boat a lot sooner.
• 44:08
  That's funny, all right, josh Joshua, thanks for waiting. All
• 44:13
  right, So, Jeff, let's talk about some local broadcasters. But do
• 44:16
  you remember a guy named Andy Lescineld back in the day, Yes, vaguely,
• 44:22
  yeah, I mean he wouldn't hear that long, but the one he
• 44:23
  was an early influence on my life, and amphasize hard work and all that.
• 44:28
  Yeah, So all right, let's go to Joshuo's question, who do
• 44:31
  you see as the top broadcasters in the local market right now? I mean,
• 44:37
  that's an interesting one. I guess you would have to go to the
• 44:38
  TV guys. You know, I'm a big fan of the guys that do
• 44:44
  the Balley Sports broadcast. I like all of those guys. Of course,
• 44:49
  I worked for many years with Steve Goldie Goldstein part of a show that a
• 44:52
  lot of people were very fond of called the First Team on WQAM. We
• 44:55
  did that for I think it was there six and a half years working with
• 44:59
  Goldian and then we resurrected our partnership. Had a general manager, one of
• 45:02
  the kind of put together whatever elements he could from the First Team. So,
• 45:07
  and that's kind of how I shifted back in the Morning Drive when it
• 45:09
  was the last thing on earth I ever wanted to do. When I went
• 45:13
  to nine forty, they paired me up again with Steve Goldstein for a brief
• 45:15
  period of time, but he was so busy with the Panthers and so many
• 45:20
  other things. He got started doing local television sports also for Channel four,
• 45:24
  and you know, so, but I really enjoy what they do. I
• 45:28
  love Randy Mohler on the Panther broadcast. I think Jessica Blaylock a real good
• 45:31
  job. Great. I don't know you need to distinguish any more female sportscasters,
• 45:37
  but we have several really really good ones here, and you know,
• 45:39
  you would have to go to I think the TV people because my old partner
• 45:44
  Joe Rose is still left on the radio and I don't get a chance to
• 45:45
  hear him too much, but he would have to be considered among the top
• 45:50
  guys on longevity alone, and a lot of people enjoying what he does.
• 45:52
  He doesn't do the TV anymore, and so yeah, yeah, I have
• 45:55
  many, many talented people. I love Craig min Orvini and real dedicated.
• 46:00
  There's been so many different people over the years. But and Tommy Hutton one
• 46:04
  of my favorites. He kind of got the shaft there a couple of years
• 46:07
  ago from the old regime, and then they brought him back, thank god.
• 46:13
  And he's very happy doing about seventy Marlins games a year. But many,
• 46:16
  many really talented people here. This is one of those markets, Scott,
• 46:20
  and you go back a long way, you know, like I do.
• 46:23
  You know, you go to some places and it's kind of competitive and
• 46:25
  a little bit cutthroat the Miami South Florida market for broadcasting. Every now and
• 46:30
  then you get somebody that you don't really care for they do something and you
• 46:34
  think, well, well, that's kind of rude. But by and large,
• 46:37
  I mean, it's been a pleasure being associated with all of the people
• 46:39
  that have worked here through the years. And as you can tell from the
• 46:43
  people that you named, I mean, there's great fondness for a lot of
• 46:45
  these people, and it seems to be a mutual respect coming from many different
• 46:50
  areas. So now it's been a pleasure. That was one of the pleasing
• 46:53
  aspects about being in South Florida. The other people in the media. One
• 46:57
  of the worst aspects though, was the fact but this is like a excuse
• 47:01
  my French here, it's kind of a horseshit sports style when it comes to
• 47:05
  the attention people pay. It's not like we don't have good sports fans and
• 47:07
  knowledgeable sports fans, right, but you don't have the kind of dedication and
• 47:12
  passion that you have in many other cities. Whether that's because there isn't as
• 47:16
  long of a tradition with some of these teams, I don't know. I
• 47:20
  guess it's a viable reason the whole transplant thing. But in general, I
• 47:24
  mean opening day for the Marlins is tomorrow, Scott, and I have heard
• 47:29
  nothing about it. I haven't seen one kid in the Marlins cap. I
• 47:31
  don't even know if I could tell you what their plans are for opening day.
• 47:35
  And you know, I was as passionate as a baseball fan as anybody
• 47:37
  growing up. That was the national pastime. And you know, the indifference
• 47:40
  here is kind of like what they ruined my first couple of marriages, you
• 47:45
  know, because after seven years, the indifference sets in, and there seems
• 47:47
  to be a lot of indifference about the sports teams here in South Florida.
• 47:52
  Yeah, no question about well actually too. Once you mentioned Jessica Blaylock and
• 47:55
  Craig Menravini, I have known the longest, and I did mention them unless
• 48:00
  from the microphone. I think Jessica could easily be on a national market all
• 48:04
  day long. Not only does she she look great, but she's a very
• 48:07
  talented person. And Craig Minorvini's the most Yeah he's great, Yeah he is.
• 48:13
  I mean, this guy is so versatile. But I've known them the
• 48:15
  longest and one of the writers that I respected Joe for zero as well,
• 48:20
  so oh yeah, off forever covering the Marlins. Oh, he's unbelievable.
• 48:23
  Joe's a good friend of mine. I think you're retired now, though he
• 48:27
  may be doing something else. Well, yeah, he's got man on second
• 48:30
  show, so he made it a basic ball contacts, carry his own podcasts,
• 48:35
  and I think the world of Joe as we continue on, all right,
• 48:37
  and you brought up some interesting points. Okay, describe how things have
• 48:42
  gone for you over the last forty years. So have you ever contemplated,
• 48:46
  okay, going to another media market. I know we could go on forever
• 48:51
  on this subject, and I don't care. I mean, if I own
• 48:53
  the I own the platform. So you know, we'll go as long as
• 48:59
  we need to make sure we get through everything. But tell me what it's
• 49:01
  like the last forty years. And have you ever contemplated going somewhere else?
• 49:07
  You know, it always strikes you. You know. The thing that that's
• 49:09
  great is this is a terrific place to live. So it would have been
• 49:15
  nice maybe to make a score and something. I've had some national exposure on
• 49:17
  both the radio NTV, did a lot of national boxing broadcasts on TV,
• 49:22
  and for a while I was working on the Nick and Artie show. I
• 49:28
  don't know if you remember this. This was a production of The Fox People
• 49:32
  and it was it was already Lang who was the star of the show,
• 49:37
  Nick Katalding Katala or something and Artie Lang. So I used to substitute for
• 49:44
  them, and I thought, Wow, this is gonna be my calling.
• 49:45
  I was starting to make a move there. I was getting some steam going
• 49:49
  on a national level on the boxing broadcast. Had a couple of offers that
• 49:52
  fell apart. To maybe do that as a full time thing would have been
• 49:55
  great, but yeah, you know what's tough is you know your local market.
• 50:00
  If you've been in a city like we have for forty years, do
• 50:04
  I really know everything about the Dodgers? If I moved to LA and became
• 50:07
  a sportscaster there, the people naturally would figure that you are up on the
• 50:09
  entire history. I mean, this is something that's irreplaceable and for anybody that
• 50:15
  was you mentioned one of the gentlemen on the chat line was looking to get
• 50:17
  into broadcasting, and seemed like some of the questions we're geared towards, Hey,
• 50:22
  how can I do this? There's nothing you know you can do all
• 50:25
  the show prep you want, But if you witnessed everything and you lived through
• 50:29
  it, and you were on the road with these teams when they were owing
• 50:30
  seventeen in the Big East, like the Hurricane basketball team was at one time,
• 50:35
  or you were there and you know, saw all of these magnificent players
• 50:38
  that were on the Hurricane teams, and you know, from the early eighties
• 50:43
  through the late nineties, that's hard to replace. You can't get that kind
• 50:47
  of knowledge without being there and living through it. You know, living it,
• 50:51
  and you know if you go to Boston, would I know that much
• 50:53
  about the Red Sox? Sure, I follow them, I could name you
• 50:57
  some players, but I wouldn't have the intimate detail and relationship that we've had
• 51:01
  with all the people over the years. So I think after a long period
• 51:05
  of time, it's not easy to change markets unless you have some sort of
• 51:09
  innate knowledge of that particular market. Even if I went back to New York,
• 51:13
  I would be hard pressed to compete with the knowledge and the experience that
• 51:16
  other guys that have been there throughout their careers have had. So and I
• 51:21
  grew up there and I knew my New York sports that reference it all the
• 51:22
  time, but very hard to replace the background that you have and the experience
• 51:29
  that you have that is part of what you bring to any show that you
• 51:31
  do. So yeah, it would been rough as a sports talkost to just
• 51:37
  switch markets. It would have been easier to go national than to move to
• 51:39
  another city. Oh there you go. So for a lot of younger broadcasters
• 51:43
  out there, you can change markets, but it has to be the right
• 51:46
  fit and the right situation, whether it's a local newscaster. I've seen some
• 51:52
  guys a woman saying names here tonight that actually left town and they got blown
• 51:55
  out by a much bigger, more passionate fan base somewhere else, and they
• 52:00
  probably wish they would have stayed here locally. I mean, it'd be tough
• 52:02
  for me to go to Philadelphia after thirty years here and you know, be
• 52:07
  some expert on the Eagles. It's just it's one of those things where you
• 52:10
  know, it's part of the job that you have all these experiences. So
• 52:15
  yeah, I thought about it. Sure, I would have been nice if
• 52:19
  somebody offered me a couple of million dollars to go somewhere else. I would
• 52:21
  have been happy to go and learn the market. But that didn't happen.
• 52:24
  And you know, I'm not upset about it at all, because I really
• 52:28
  enjoyed living here and any experience has been great overall. Okay, that sounds
• 52:32
  good. So tell me, Jeff, do you cover many games these days?
• 52:37
  I don't go to as many games as I used to. If I
• 52:39
  do go, I go as a very casual fank And yeah, that was
• 52:45
  unusual. In fact that that thing at FAU where Leslie Bisser and I went,
• 52:49
  was on a whim and I was curious to see what the atmosphere was
• 52:53
  like. I had broadcast some games from FAU many years ago. I had
• 52:58
  done a couple of basketball games for then Sunshine Network, and I remember just
• 53:02
  thinking, this is a high school gym, and you can't imagine that this
• 53:07
  program is ever going to achieve the stature of being a Final four team.
• 53:13
  And so I went to that game against Tulane just to kind of check it
• 53:15
  out, you know, get a little feel for it. I'm a big
• 53:19
  college basketball fan, but no, I don't go to nearly as many games.
• 53:24
  It's sort of prohibitive. I always like it when I go. You
• 53:28
  see more when you go to a game. If you're in the business,
• 53:30
  you want to go to as many games as you can because you get a
• 53:32
  better experience and you can take a lot more away from it, whether you
• 53:37
  attended the press conference or not afterwards, but just being there, you can
• 53:40
  make observations that you can't get off television. But no, don't go to
• 53:45
  too many games anymore, just because I don't like getting on ninety five.
• 53:50
  I mean, maybe that's part of being an old fart. But the people
• 53:52
  drive there. There was sugarn, as we say in Jewish Yiddish, and
• 53:57
  it's scary. So I'm perfectly happy to have my experiences here at all.
• 54:01
  Well, let me tell you so, I remember seeing a bumper sticker many
• 54:05
  years ago. Pray for me, I drive ninety five. Yeah, it's
• 54:07
  it's crazy. Yeah. Are you in touch with Leslie a lot at all?
• 54:12
  Oh? Yeah, yeah, we're talking all the time. She's always
• 54:15
  texted me during matches. Well, she's a big tennis fan like I am,
• 54:19
  and I love the Miami Open. I want you a lot of Tennis
• 54:21
  channel. I follow the circuit quite a bit. I'm both a fan of
• 54:24
  the men and the women. And you know, it's been terrific stuff.
• 54:28
  I was trying to get down there on one of these days that the tournament
• 54:31
  was here, I wasn't able to arrange it. My wife went on Monday,
• 54:35
  and you know, it's a terrific event. And Leslie's always going back
• 54:38
  and forth with me because we have our preferences and we have our differences,
• 54:44
  and we're always going back and forth during the course of the game. Yeah,
• 54:46
  one of these days, you and I and Leslie and Candy and even
• 54:50
  your wife need to get together. I know a great restaurant locally that we
• 54:52
  can just shoot the reason have a lot of fun for sure. All right.
• 54:55
  So now as we approach you know this general of PR people. Have
• 55:00
  you noticed a change in the younger generation of a PR communication people? I
• 55:06
  have, And I have to tell you I don't like it, because it
• 55:07
  seems like when you bring on the new people won the either don't return emails.
• 55:13
  And I'm too old to sit here and try to prove myself to a
• 55:15
  younger person. And I had great relationships with the previous regime. But what
• 55:19
  have you noticed. It's not nearly as personable as it used to be.
• 55:23
  As I mean, I was very lucky, and I was talking about this
• 55:28
  the other day because of this so tony story that when I used to cover
• 55:30
  the Dodgers for the various newspapers I worked for in California, they could not
• 55:37
  have been more of a first class organization. They had a guy running the
• 55:40
  show. There was I think he was a president of the team or vice
• 55:45
  president team named Fred Claire who had been a newspaper guy. And I couldn't
• 55:49
  believe the accommodations and the things that he would go to to help us in
• 55:54
  our coverage of the Los Angeles Dodgers. It was great. It was a
• 55:59
  kinder era. I mean, you used to get to know these guys.
• 56:01
  I was never really a jock sniffer Scott, but you know, you couldn't
• 56:05
  help it. End up having relationships with a lot of these players. You
• 56:08
  don't see that today, and even you know, we have a great relationship.
• 56:13
  I'll give you an example, and this is not to single anybody out,
• 56:15
  but we have a great relationship with Jim laarra Niga, the basketball coach
• 56:20
  at the University of Miami. And if we call Jim directly, he will
• 56:24
  always come on our shows, doesn't matter what the circumstances are. He could
• 56:28
  be, you know, on his way to the court for the Final four
• 56:30
  and if we call him, he'll let us know whether or not he could
• 56:32
  come on a show or not. But we always try to go through protocol
• 56:36
  because we try to be professional about this. And you'll go weeks without getting
• 56:39
  a return email or any kind of return phone call, a text message from
• 56:45
  an SID who is twenty five years old or whatever, and you're thinking,
• 56:49
  this guy loves coming on with us. He likes the way that we approach
• 56:52
  basketball. He knows that I know a lot of old schools stuff, and
• 56:55
  we have some things in common from the past in terms of players that we
• 57:00
  new and even played against. And he, you know, he's been shielded,
• 57:06
  you know, from a thing that he really doesn't mind doing and likes
• 57:09
  to do, because these PR people are just like a roadblock. The worst
• 57:15
  ever, honestly, was the Miami Marlins that they had some of the worst
• 57:19
  PR relationship people that I've ever seen, even the guys that you were friendly
• 57:23
  with that were difficult to deal with. And yeah, it's changed for the
• 57:28
  worst, there's no doubt about it. The people are not nearly as responsible
• 57:32
  or accommodating, and you know, it's one of these things where you're asking
• 57:37
  yourself, what's wrong with these guys, we're giving them free publicity. Were
• 57:40
  essentially our free advertising arm for all of these sports teams. Why would you
• 57:45
  want to shut out the media. It's crazy, but nothing like it used
• 57:49
  to be in the day. And it's one of the reasons I was attracted
• 57:52
  to some other sports that are out of the mainstream because they do treat you
• 57:54
  well and they welcome you to come out there. Boxing is like that,
• 57:58
  horse racing is like that. They're more than happy to let you talk to
• 58:01
  all the big stars or make arrangements for you. And some of these professional
• 58:06
  sports have really become a very shielded and guarded in the way they approached the
• 58:10
  media. Well, you could not have given me a better answer than you
• 58:15
  just did. That's no, I know. And you know what again,
• 58:19
  folks, you know well, we're here to entertain you of all the shows
• 58:22
  I'm going to do, and I'm glad we're gonna do this whatever time we
• 58:24
  need, because this is a show that I think that any young broadcaster or
• 58:29
  media person you need to watch this one multiple times. Jeff and I are
• 58:32
  giving it to you straight, No, we really are. I mean so
• 58:36
  some of the best pr people I've felt with locally now we're talking about locally,
• 58:39
  Chip Nami, this is a close friendt Yeah, oh he is a
• 58:44
  bet. He number one. But then also Harvey Green was great. Harvey
• 58:47
  great Dolphins in a difficult spot. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't easy
• 58:51
  for him to take care of everybody, but he always made you feel like,
• 58:53
  Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to do what I can to help
• 58:58
  you with what you need. And one guy that doesn't get any publicity and
• 59:00
  he should was Ron Steiner the Miami Hurricanes. Here's a guy you talked about,
• 59:06
  one of the nicest guys I've ever done. And again I'm just talking
• 59:08
  about a few year locally. Katrina McCormick of Florida Atlantic is unbelievable. But
• 59:14
  they did a great job. I was very impressed with that press conference and
• 59:15
  the way it was run. Yeah, but you know, she runs a
• 59:17
  good ship up over at FAU, you know. But then there are some
• 59:22
  other ones I won't mention on the air because I don't want to. You
• 59:23
  never know who's if they're paying attention to what we're doing, or they leave
• 59:28
  a lot to be maybe they might need a wake up call because I mean,
• 59:30
  we're speaking the truth here at Riskcott. No, no, no,
• 59:34
  you're you're right now. The one sport that you did mention that I really
• 59:37
  gravitate to and I just got done with a couple of weeks ago. Jeff
• 59:42
  is the Twelve Hours of Seabring. I covered the Rolex twenty four once I
• 59:46
  had my third one and one of the guys who never gets any publicity,
• 59:50
  but make sure he gets it tonight. Ken Breslauer over Auto Racing was always
• 59:54
  great like that. That was one of the reasons they became so popular.
• 59:58
  Well, but this is very much fan friendly, and they were wearing that,
• 1:00:02
  Hey, we're going to have to be a little bit different. We're
• 1:00:04
  not going to be able to just blow people off because we feel like it.
• 1:00:07
  And they couldn't, you know, go any more out of their way
• 1:00:10
  to help you out. So yeah, Auto Racing a lot of its popularity
• 1:00:15
  was based on the way that they treated the fans and the media, and
• 1:00:19
  they couldn't have been any more cooperative. You know, if you wanted the
• 1:00:22
  biggest stars in the game, it wasn't impossible to think that you were going
• 1:00:24
  to get a chance to talk to them exclusively in the one on one interview,
• 1:00:30
  and they do a great job, there's no doubt about it. Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  No, I've done NASCAR. But one of the things I've really grown
• 1:00:35
  into, though, Jeff, is IMSA, you know. And then you
• 1:00:37
  talk about the Endurance tras and these people are unbelievable. And one team guy
• 1:00:40
  that I forgot to mentionall mensa. Now, it has been really good thus
• 1:00:44
  far. I never changed later. But my experience of that'd be good is
• 1:00:47
  Cameron Gorby. And I've really had some pretty good working relationship with Cam.
• 1:00:52
  But you know, again, I've only known him a few years and so
• 1:00:54
  far he's been great and I hope our relationship continues. But again, folks,
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  this is a less and that you have to understand that I could sit
• 1:01:01
  in my book, I talk about some of the best pr and a guy
• 1:01:05
  up in Jacksonville by the name of Dan Edwards is a guy to me is
• 1:01:08
  actually going in the Hall of Fame. Anyways, Chip told me about that
• 1:01:13
  recently. You won't ask for a nicer guy to them, So don't my
• 1:01:15
  name dropping, you know. Yeah, I've heard some interesting stories about the
• 1:01:19
  Marlins. I'm not going to get into them, but in general, they've
• 1:01:22
  been horrible, I mean, to their own detriment because they're not getting a
• 1:01:28
  lot of attention anyway, because, like I said, opening days tomorrow,
• 1:01:30
  nobody even knew about it. I mean, how is that possible? Well,
• 1:01:34
  we were the flagship station for many years of the Marlins at ninety during
• 1:01:39
  the time that I was working there, and we were amazed at how how
• 1:01:45
  frequently they would just stiff us or have no regard whatsoever for our requests,
• 1:01:50
  and we were the only people that were trying to get them to do something.
• 1:01:52
  You know, you're requesting players to try to help them out, and
• 1:01:55
  they're blowing you off and telling you they can't help you. And then after
• 1:01:58
  a while you just decide, hey, I'm just not going to do this
• 1:02:00
  anymore, and they disappear from the forefront. Let me trying to hang up
• 1:02:04
  this phone. Here there we go. That's all right, I no problem.
• 1:02:07
  So, yeah, I had done help that their ballpark is where the
• 1:02:09
  Orange Bowl was, and you know, your tenants isn't overly that great either.
• 1:02:14
  So now that we transition over to this, let's talk. Did you
• 1:02:16
  ever imagine though, that this area is a place that you would have for
• 1:02:21
  major sports teams? I was surprised. I mean, I'll take you back
• 1:02:25
  to nineteen eighty one of very young green to Forest gets his first assignment and
• 1:02:30
  I go out to the Dolphins training camp. They were training at Saint Thomas
• 1:02:35
  and I pull into this place, Saint Thomas University. I pull into a
• 1:02:39
  place and I thought, oh Jesus, I must have got lost here because
• 1:02:43
  I didn't know my way around the neighborhood that well. And I couldn't believe
• 1:02:46
  what a dumped this place was. The Dolphin season ends, and I'm thinking,
• 1:02:51
  well, what's up next? You know, I'd cover the Hurricanes football
• 1:02:53
  team that year, and they were just kind of coming into their stage where
• 1:02:58
  they were going to be prominent for a long period of time under Howard.
• 1:03:00
  And I remember thinking, okay, so who's the basketball coach here at the
• 1:03:05
  University of Miami, right? And I find out there is no basketball.
• 1:03:07
  They don't even have college basketball. So there were there were There was no
• 1:03:12
  Heat team. There was no Panther team. Uh. That seemed to be
• 1:03:16
  just a distant pipe dream that you would have professional sports in those games down
• 1:03:22
  here, and of course no Marlins to speak of. So yeah, it
• 1:03:28
  was a bizarre sports team. Uh. You had, you know, these
• 1:03:31
  odd ball things that you had to cover. It's kind of nice because now
• 1:03:34
  we have it all where you had the two golf tournaments, so you had
• 1:03:37
  durr aland the Honda Classic. You had the Grand Prix when Ralph Sanchez came
• 1:03:42
  on board there and got the Miami Grand Prix going, and you had all
• 1:03:45
  these ancillary events, and then Butch Buckhall's put together the tennis tournament, the
• 1:03:49
  Miami opened, and those were really the mainstream things that we had to cover
• 1:03:53
  until these pro teams came on board. So yeah, it was that was
• 1:03:57
  a dearth of activity here in South Law and it was kind of a surprise
• 1:04:00
  to me. It was an awakening because I had just come from the La
• 1:04:03
  Market and I grew up in New York, where you literally, I mean,
• 1:04:06
  you have two pro teams in every sport. So it did seem like
• 1:04:11
  it was a vast wasteland here in South Florida. But nice to see that
• 1:04:14
  we've eventually caught up. Yeah. The amazing part about when I first arrived,
• 1:04:16
  when we both came the same time, they had dog racing and then
• 1:04:20
  you had a Highlight was yes, we used to cover Highlight, Believe it
• 1:04:24
  or not. I still have figured out what Highlight is all about? It
• 1:04:27
  familiar sport, great sport. Yeah, but you know, to me,
• 1:04:30
  I knowledge member of Jeff I grew up in Mensa, Detroit. The word
• 1:04:34
  Highlight wasn't anything that we knew anything. Well, you didn't even know it
• 1:04:39
  was a beer back then, I know what it was. I was fascinated
• 1:04:44
  by it. I mean, of course, and this was in the age
• 1:04:45
  of the cocaine cowboys, So you can imagine what was going on in the
• 1:04:47
  dining room there at Miami Highlight, where you would sit down at the table
• 1:04:51
  and there would be l Chapa with a pyramid of cocaine and you're thinking,
• 1:04:54
  Wow, this is some party. But I am good friends today, and
• 1:04:57
  Tony Sigretto, of course, also is great friends with probably the best name
• 1:05:02
  and the best player they ever compete, and that was Joey the Great Joey
• 1:05:06
  Cornblin. It was a wonderful person. But in Highlight they sunk themselves.
• 1:05:12
  Years ago, there was a player's strike. I don't know if you remember
• 1:05:15
  this, and I believe it took place sometime in the early I want to
• 1:05:19
  say, early nineties, and we found out that the owners of the Frontons
• 1:05:25
  did not give a flying one about the players and we're perfectly happy to see
• 1:05:28
  them all go on strike and go away. And the sport never really recovered
• 1:05:31
  from that. But it was a fascinating game. I would say this for
• 1:05:35
  Highlight that you would go and catch, especially at Miami Highlight. The place
• 1:05:40
  was rock and the walls were shaken, the crowds were big. It was
• 1:05:44
  a lot of fun. It was kind of an entertainment destination and you would
• 1:05:46
  see at least a dozen plays a night that if you saw these going to
• 1:05:51
  any Major League Baseball game, you would have said, Wow, I don't
• 1:05:55
  care what I paid for the tickets. That was spectacular. So I had
• 1:05:58
  some great athletes there. It was in a amazing game to watch, and
• 1:06:00
  it's a shame that it really faded into oblivion here or as Mike Tyson would
• 1:06:04
  say, bolivion, because uh, it really was a great game to watch,
• 1:06:09
  and it was one of those unique things that had a Miami flavor to
• 1:06:12
  it with the Latin field and everything. Really, really it was a lot
• 1:06:15
  of fun to go and cover and go and watch. Yeah, well,
• 1:06:18
  you know what's interesting we talked about Highway. I got to tell you a
• 1:06:20
  funny story out in War As Mexico and I went to a greyhound dog race
• 1:06:26
  or whatever it was. So I decided just to go out and war in
• 1:06:29
  Mexico and decided to bet on one race. And you know, the one
• 1:06:36
  dog was named Bill Walton. Bill Walton, right, Bill'll know about the
• 1:06:41
  NBA start saying, you know, I decided to do howbout go ahead and
• 1:06:44
  bet on Bill Walton to win, hoping that the dog had better legs than
• 1:06:47
  the player had. And what happened And it's in last oh yeah, last,
• 1:06:53
  yeah, bad knees. Huh that dog did do well. What I
• 1:06:57
  didn't know was I was drinking U calling Metro Detroit Pop you know they call
• 1:07:02
  it. But as it turns out, my I started to me, you
• 1:07:08
  weren't drinking r C Cola by any chance? Where? Isn't that a big
• 1:07:10
  question? Uh? You know, it's funny. I have a Wire As
• 1:07:16
  Mexico story although I was never actually there, but I was calling boxing and
• 1:07:21
  uh uh and I was actually doing a match. I don't know if you
• 1:07:25
  remember the great Eddie Kaplan, who was one of the pioneers of gambling talk
• 1:07:29
  here here in South Florida radio airwaves. He had the late night show on
• 1:07:32
  w q A m and his monto was He's going to be there until the
• 1:07:36
  last West Coast score is in for all your sick degenerates out there. And
• 1:07:40
  uh, you know, Eddie loved gambling, and uh, I knew he
• 1:07:43
  was a big boxing fan, so I get him to do color analysis with
• 1:07:45
  me. And the match was taking place in Warez, Mexico, but ware
• 1:07:50
  Is was and it was plagued with so much violence, and uh, it
• 1:07:55
  was such a dicey situation that at the last uh sort of you know,
• 1:08:00
  the last day before the fight, they decided they couldn't risk taking their equipment
• 1:08:03
  there, so they had us ed kaplan and I were doing a simulcast.
• 1:08:10
  We were actually broadcasting from a studio in Houston where we had arrived to make
• 1:08:14
  the transition and go to Ware's originally. And in the middle of the main
• 1:08:18
  event, they lost a signal. So the director we're doing a live show
• 1:08:24
  on network television and we can't see the fight. So the producer, he's
• 1:08:29
  naturally in what you would imagine was quite a panic, and we're thinking,
• 1:08:33
  well, what do we do? So he says, keep going, keep
• 1:08:38
  going, act as if you were watching this thing right now now we're calling
• 1:08:41
  a fight that we can't see, and we went under the assumption that the
• 1:08:45
  fight we'd seen the first three or four rounds, so we just kept assuming
• 1:08:48
  that the fight was following the same pattern. For all we know, the
• 1:08:50
  guy that we were saying was doing the right thing all the way through.
• 1:08:54
  It was being carried out on a stretcher on his way to a ware's medical
• 1:08:57
  center. But sure enough to think back up in about the eighth round where
• 1:09:00
  we missed like rounds three through eight, and they were still in the same
• 1:09:05
  pattern there, and nobody knew that we were calling this fight without seeing a
• 1:09:09
  second of it. But it was a lot of fun. But it was
• 1:09:12
  all due to the fact that the tension in Wirens, Mexico was at such
• 1:09:17
  a level that there was like a red flag for anybody that was thinking about
• 1:09:21
  certainly bringing anything of value into that city at the time. Well, you
• 1:09:25
  know, I've been there a couple of times, and luckily I was smart
• 1:09:29
  thinking, because I ended up having camp drivers take me to a certain place.
• 1:09:32
  They stayed with me a game, a little extra money, and got
• 1:09:34
  me back to Alpasso. But for the ever individual that go there, it
• 1:09:39
  is a bit dangerous for sure. I got to tell you a great Don
• 1:09:41
  Shula story. I'm playing soccer the Fort Lauderville Strikers game, you know where
• 1:09:45
  they had the staff against us and Tim Amy has an. I don't believe
• 1:09:53
  weble job running that whole thing. I'll never forget the time where I got
• 1:09:56
  tripped up and sprained my ankle. Okay, and I played on a bum
• 1:10:00
  ankle the whole time and I didn't care. I couldn't believe I'm better condition
• 1:10:05
  they were. And that's on the practice that we didn't talk about the whole
• 1:10:09
  field at Lockhart. I can imagine if I would have made it through the
• 1:10:12
  day. So later that day I had to cover a The Miami Dolphins are
• 1:10:17
  in training camp. So it was a rainy day out at Biscayne College,
• 1:10:21
  it's what they called it back then. And there's only like two of us
• 1:10:26
  out there. Three So the coach Shula, Don Shula, let us come
• 1:10:29
  in there and thought. So he sees me after I went to the hospital
• 1:10:32
  to get it wrapped up. So he says to me, Scott, because
• 1:10:35
  Shoe wasn't easy to get to know, you know, but when he got
• 1:10:39
  to know you, you were okay, And I was just a young guy
• 1:10:41
  back then, and he can intimidate you. But I didn't get intimidated.
• 1:10:43
  I just kept going back there learn it and he was good. We got
• 1:10:45
  along really good at me for a while, just the first couple of times.
• 1:10:48
  It was so anyway, Shoe asked me this incredible question, I had
• 1:10:51
  to get out here with you? So should I put you on injured reservery?
• 1:10:57
  Oh? But you know that if you got inside his shuler, he'd
• 1:11:00
  give you that kind of thing. Yeah. No, he was great,
• 1:11:02
  He really was. You know. It was surprising to me, Scott was
• 1:11:06
  when I was first Covenant Dolphins, that that Shuley used to sit down with
• 1:11:10
  the press. You talk about a kinder, gentler press back then, and
• 1:11:15
  Harvey no a chip. I think I might have been the PR guy at
• 1:11:17
  the time. Yeah, Julia would come in and sit down at the lunch
• 1:11:19
  table and shoot the breeze with everybody and just talk casually. And that that's,
• 1:11:25
  you know, the way that I got to know him, And he
• 1:11:28
  was always great with me like that. If he respected you, then even
• 1:11:30
  if he didn't, he was cordial enough and accommodating enough. But but if
• 1:11:34
  he respected you, you could kind of tell that you know, he felt
• 1:11:38
  that he trusted you. I have a funny shoulder story about uh well,
• 1:11:42
  well, as time went on, and let me just give you the answer
• 1:11:45
  to that question, I said, you know, coach, I'd rather put
• 1:11:46
  me on injured reserve that way member of the team. And then he smiled
• 1:11:49
  there, yeah, yeah, And then I would take his brain for advice
• 1:11:53
  and how he would go ahead and use players strengths and not get him to
• 1:11:57
  do anything that they couldn't do. And I've taken that less since for life.
• 1:12:00
  All right, go ahead, let me hear your Oh well, I'm
• 1:12:01
  gonna just say it's kind of funny because Buddy and I had a little video
• 1:12:06
  company we used to string for ESPN. They would send us out to local
• 1:12:10
  events there to get sound bites, and so you weren't really on camera as
• 1:12:14
  you were asking questions, but they sent down the questions that they wanted the
• 1:12:17
  response to. So this was at a time where the Dolphins were struggling.
• 1:12:21
  I think this was the year where they went six and ten and they send
• 1:12:26
  me out there. It was at Saint Thomas and they sent me out there
• 1:12:29
  with my buddy, the cameraman who has partners with and The first question they
• 1:12:32
  wanted me to ask Shula was Don, is it fair to say that the
• 1:12:35
  game has passed you by? So I'm setting up with this interview, and
• 1:12:40
  I'm thinking, I can't, I can't ask him this question. I mean,
• 1:12:43
  you've got to be kidding me. You know, I know the guy
• 1:12:45
  well and I don't want to tarnish my relationship with him. So I said,
• 1:12:47
  you know, coach, I didn't make these questions up. They just
• 1:12:50
  assigned them to me. So and he looks at me and he says,
• 1:12:54
  well, if I don't want to answer it, you know what, I'll
• 1:12:56
  just take this stuff off and walk off. And naturally had to shoot that
• 1:13:00
  first one at him, but he stayed with it and said that, you
• 1:13:02
  know, that's silly, and he doesn't listen to this kind of talk.
• 1:13:05
  But you know, a rough way to start a conversation with Don Shult.
• 1:13:09
  Don you really think, I mean, he bristled at this whole notion that
• 1:13:13
  he was finished and that the game had passed by. It was kind of
• 1:13:15
  like when they had the press conference and we were supposed to be led to
• 1:13:17
  believe that he walked into Heisinger's office one day and said, you know,
• 1:13:20
  what, Wayne, I don't have it anymore. Why don't you bring in
• 1:13:23
  Jimmy Johnson to replace me? Right now? And you're thinking, there's no
• 1:13:27
  way that happened. I don't know what kind of bs they were trying to
• 1:13:30
  feed us there, but it was. It was almost as bad as that
• 1:13:31
  Otani press conference the other day where he says he had nothing to do with
• 1:13:34
  the gambling thing. Yeah, I don't know now. I'll only tell you.
• 1:13:40
  Don Shul is the guy I've always revered and when you got to know
• 1:13:43
  him, I asked him some questions about life. He was really good about
• 1:13:45
  it. And then again, when you're eighteen nineteen years of age, a
• 1:13:48
  guy like him, if you don't take anything about his with them, and
• 1:13:51
  you're fully you don't have it, you have nothing but marbles in your head
• 1:13:57
  and rocks in your head, not a real brain. Because Don Schule would
• 1:14:00
  always be able to guide you if you wanted to. And as long as,
• 1:14:03
  like you say, you were a fair with him, that was important.
• 1:14:05
  Again, chip Amias, the way he runs his ship is unbelievable,
• 1:14:10
  but you're right. I mean, Hank Kamplan was a guy I got hooked
• 1:14:13
  up with boxing and he was an old historian. Oh yeah, he was
• 1:14:15
  great. One of the first guys I met here in Miami. Yeah,
• 1:14:18
  yeah, yeah, he was great. I hung out with him a lot.
• 1:14:20
  Did you ever see his archives of stuff that he had in the garage
• 1:14:25
  there? Yeah, he told me all about it. I never got to
• 1:14:27
  it. Oh my god, what a museum. I should have been in
• 1:14:30
  the Boxing Hall of Fame right there. Yeah, no, I know.
• 1:14:32
  He was a big collector for sure. So so let's so, you know,
• 1:14:38
  yeah, that was unbelievable. And I ended up through Angelo Dundee interviewing
• 1:14:42
  Cigarette Letard and Muhammad Ali. Young people look at my book or my Facebook
• 1:14:45
  stuff, they'll see that those pictures are there. So I'm gonna ask I
• 1:14:49
  got a few. Well, speaking of Dundee, it's funny because it ties
• 1:14:53
  into what you were talking about with the pr I'll never forget this, uh,
• 1:14:56
  you know. And I, naturally, you know, was enamored with
• 1:14:58
  the idea that I was going to meet Angel Dundee. And you know,
• 1:15:00
  I covered a lot of boxing, of course, and you know, revered
• 1:15:03
  this guy. And I remember we're talking to him for the first time.
• 1:15:08
  I was doing an interview with him, and I said, Angel, thank
• 1:15:12
  you so much for doing this, and he pauses for a second and he
• 1:15:15
  says, no, thank you. We need you, guys. We need
• 1:15:18
  you get talking about us, we need you riding about us, We need
• 1:15:20
  you putting us on the air. This sport could not survive without you guys.
• 1:15:25
  So he was one of those guys that got it, that said,
• 1:15:27
  hey, listen, you know it doesn't hurt to go ahead and be at
• 1:15:30
  least reasonably decent to the press, no matter how hostile you might feel about
• 1:15:34
  him, because it was only going to help you out. And I never
• 1:15:38
  forgot that. I still can picture the scene where he said that to me,
• 1:15:40
  and that was great. Well, he gave me his business card.
• 1:15:44
  I talked to him all the time. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
• 1:15:46
  Dash is an interesting question. I want to get this one up,
• 1:15:48
  Candy. Jeff, what are your thoughts about the legalization of sports betting in
• 1:15:53
  Florida? Long overdue? I mean, we're in the stone age with all
• 1:15:57
  of this stuff. We always have been. When I was doing horse racing,
• 1:15:59
  shit was on TV. There were always these issues before the legislature about
• 1:16:03
  the regulation of dates and whether or not they should have racing on Sundays and
• 1:16:09
  whether or not they should allow miners into the racetrack. I mean, these
• 1:16:12
  were things that were happening in every other state in the country, and South
• 1:16:15
  Florida was acting like there was some kind of religious blasphemy that they would have
• 1:16:21
  people going to the track on a Sunday or allowing kids in there long overdue
• 1:16:26
  to sports betting. We've seen what it's done for other states. I think
• 1:16:29
  it's kind of a fugazy system here. I don't know what kind of clandestine
• 1:16:32
  meeting that they had with Ron DeSantis to decide. And I've had very favorable
• 1:16:38
  dealings with the hard rock people and the Seminole tribe. They were doing a
• 1:16:42
  lot of things that I was very happy to be a part of. But
• 1:16:45
  it's one of those things where how are they in control of everything? I
• 1:16:50
  mean, everything they do here is just in such a fugazy fashion that we
• 1:16:54
  can't even do this right. And so it's good that it's here. It
• 1:16:59
  can't hurt anything. I don't know how much. You know, there's going
• 1:17:01
  to be obviously there will be in the future of sports something they really have
• 1:17:04
  to desperately deal with, and that is the potential scandals. You have This
• 1:17:09
  guy in the Raptors that supposedly tanked a couple of games because there were over
• 1:17:13
  under props on the number of assists or rebounds that he might get. So
• 1:17:15
  we just took himself out of the game. And there was a lot of
• 1:17:17
  suspicious gambling activity on those props, So it doesn't necessarily look good. What
• 1:17:25
  John tay Porter is the guy's name. And now you've got Temple with point
• 1:17:29
  shaving possibilities, Temple University being investigated for four real curious games, and of
• 1:17:35
  course so Tony thing. It's hard to imagine Scott than any book maker.
• 1:17:40
  I don't know of any booky that I've ever dealt with that was going to
• 1:17:42
  extend the guy that was making an average living a four and a half million
• 1:17:45
  dollar line of credit. That just doesn't happen, you know, unless Otani
• 1:17:50
  was in on the deal, and it was you know, Barzeni all along
• 1:17:53
  as they say, and the Godfather. You know, so that story,
• 1:17:57
  you know, is certainly a curious one. And this is you know,
• 1:18:00
  they've opened up a real nasty Pandora's box by getting in bed with these people,
• 1:18:04
  because now, how do these leagues and how do these sports enemies actually
• 1:18:08
  handle issues where there are significant problems, like the possibility that this guy's removing
• 1:18:14
  himself from ball games while some of his friends and maybe even he himself are
• 1:18:18
  sending in ridiculous amounts of money around the world on obscure proposition bets. So
• 1:18:25
  yeah, definitely long overdue in the state of Florida. But the regulation of
• 1:18:29
  it by the sporting world and the fact that they're so in bed, deeply
• 1:18:31
  in bed with fan duel and DraftKings and these other entities is going to make
• 1:18:35
  for some very curious circumstances over the next five to ten years. Yeah,
• 1:18:40
  so far, I've stayed away from that story, Jeff, because I want
• 1:18:43
  more information before I go out on the limb about it. So, Josh,
• 1:18:45
  here's another good one by him. Okay, who will be the next
• 1:18:48
  professional team to bring a championship home to South Florida. I know that there
• 1:18:53
  have been opportunities to team get the final. That's a good question. I
• 1:18:58
  don't know. I'm not the Marlins doing it. I took them under seventy
• 1:19:01
  nine wins. I think a drop to seventy eight to total. I believe
• 1:19:04
  they're going to sell off everybody. They made a deal there with John Burdie
• 1:19:08
  for some prospects. I'm not sure that that's an indicator that they've thrown in
• 1:19:11
  the towel, and maybe that'll turn out to be a great deal. Who
• 1:19:14
  the hell knows. Maybe they got the next Nolan Ryan in that one.
• 1:19:15
  But yeah, I mean, the Panthers, obviously this year playing great hockey,
• 1:19:21
  seem to be struggling a little bit in the last couple of games in
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  late game activity, and he lost to the Bruins. The other night after
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  giving up a couple of goals inside of ten minutes to go. They lost
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  to the Rangers in that game. So against the top teams, they've suffered
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  a couple of defeats, but they were playing great. I mean, they
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  seem to be prime for a championship run based on what they were doing in
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  the regular season. I don't know if they're just going through a little bit
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  of a lull. I don't see the heat doing it that. They don't
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  appear to be as close to me as a lot of people would like to
• 1:19:49
  think. Marlin's out of it. And I don't think the Dolphins are championship
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  material and probably won't be. I don't know that they ever won a title
• 1:19:58
  with a two at quarterback. Sure that that's going to happen. Not that
• 1:20:00
  I'm not too a fan, but I just don't know if he's good enough
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  to help them beat some of these other teams that you know, have better
• 1:20:08
  talent at the position. Well till the Miami Dolphins to be improved that they
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  can do it in December of January. I'll just leave it at that.
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  Milake Lozinski has a great question. I'm glad he Blake put this one up
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  there. Question for job, how has artificial intelligence helped or hinder the broadcasting
• 1:20:23
  industry? To John Blake, I mean, essentially, you could have Bob
• 1:20:28
  Constas calling all of your games if you wanted to, without actually having to
• 1:20:30
  pay costas. So you know, I don't know. I mean, it
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  hasn't had any impact on what I'm doing. I haven't really seen it.
• 1:20:38
  I don't know if you have, Scott. I haven't had anything that I
• 1:20:41
  found was influenced by artificial intelligence and the work that I'm doing. So I
• 1:20:46
  don't know what its impact is going to be, but I know it's been
• 1:20:49
  a frightening thing to a lot of people in different entertainment genres, and we've
• 1:20:55
  seen some resolution to it. I'm not sure if everybody's satisfied with what's happening,
• 1:20:59
  but I don't know that it's had any great impact right now on the
• 1:21:02
  sportscasting industry. Yeah, well, I often wondered about that, so as
• 1:21:08
  I continue to go ahead and navigate through the chat room, and I think
• 1:21:12
  it's been really phenomenal. Let's talk about Okay, did the fact that you
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  and I have been accustomed to old school media, which is what the premise
• 1:21:21
  of my book is about, how have you adapted to new school media?
• 1:21:26
  And what are you doing these days? I know that we had touched on
• 1:21:29
  this a little bit earlier, Jeff. Okay, And does everybody know out
• 1:21:32
  there the Sports Exchange will follow the MotorCity Mad Mouse Show. I do have
• 1:21:36
  a policy on all of my shows. If a show is going well,
• 1:21:41
  the chat room is going well, then the other show will be behind,
• 1:21:44
  like any other game that you would see on live television. But this show
• 1:21:47
  will go on and then Sports Exchange will follow. But getting back to this
• 1:21:51
  question, of course, Jeff, you know, him and I could talk
• 1:21:54
  for three hours, but we figure we'll cut it down to maybe ninety ninety
• 1:21:58
  five minutes. Care to change. I only know the guy forever, but
• 1:22:01
  whatever. Yeah, but we can always do it again another time. We
• 1:22:06
  will always shoot. Yeah, that's a good point. I'll probably bring on
• 1:22:10
  the Sports Exchange one time whether more people ask you questions, and I'll sit
• 1:22:15
  back and host it. But you know, we have a couple more questions
• 1:22:16
  to go, so I'll go back to this again. You and I asked
• 1:22:19
  Hay Green used to say, let's take a couple more and then then I
• 1:22:23
  got a good movie. Oh yeah, no, I know, Harvey's the
• 1:22:26
  greats and I've already mentioned some of the best PR people. And again though
• 1:22:29
  you and I was just so cool to catch up with you over at FAU
• 1:22:32
  and only decide we're going to do this and again. I always say the
• 1:22:35
  MotorCity and man Mouth Show will always be the lead in to the Sports Exchange
• 1:22:40
  because I have a great one two punch. I'm just glad to add you
• 1:22:43
  on this show. Even though I'm living in South Florida. You don't forget
• 1:22:45
  your MotorCity roots because Detroit was kind to me. South Florida was a very
• 1:22:49
  important part of my life earlier because I got my first real exposure before went
• 1:22:54
  to Tampa returned to Detroit, and the list goes out and on buy the
• 1:22:57
  book and then you'll figure out all my travels. So back to the old
• 1:23:00
  school media. How have you adapted to new school media? And let's recap
• 1:23:04
  what you've done these days. Well, I've been involved with a couple of
• 1:23:09
  different outfits, but I really enjoy it. I like this whole thing.
• 1:23:13
  It's amazing to me used to have to spend a lot of money to make
• 1:23:19
  a television show. I remember I made a pilot for a show many years
• 1:23:23
  ago that was sort of similar before HBO Real Sports came on. My buddy
• 1:23:27
  I mentioned that I had this video company with me where we were freelancing for
• 1:23:30
  ESPN whatever we put together a program. It costs us about thirty grand to
• 1:23:34
  make this show. Now, I mean, you can buy a camera for
• 1:23:40
  a thousand bucks and have a couple of lights, and the next thing you
• 1:23:43
  know, you look like you're on a network television show and this is the
• 1:23:45
  way network's doing show. So this aspect of it is great. I believe
• 1:23:49
  you have a little bit of an edge if you have some experience previously in
• 1:23:53
  the media, so it's actually helpful. I mean, if you have some
• 1:23:56
  old school experience to be able to do this, because I I think the
• 1:24:00
  people that will end up capitalizing on this whole new opportunity. It's out there
• 1:24:03
  where anybody could start a show at any time, and you don't know,
• 1:24:06
  you don't know what's going to catch on the goofy is stuff, you know,
• 1:24:10
  as among the most popular things that are going Look, people are going
• 1:24:14
  to buy this Jake Paul Tyson fight because the guy has a presence on social
• 1:24:17
  media, which I mean it's not like he established himself by knocking people out
• 1:24:23
  in the cronk gym in Detroit, So you know, I mean, how
• 1:24:27
  is this guy popular and worthy of this kind of statue of making a one
• 1:24:30
  hundred million dollars all social media? So you have to be able to relate
• 1:24:33
  to that. I think it's a lot easier to do stuff today. Whether
• 1:24:38
  or not you can do it and be successful with it. If you're looking
• 1:24:40
  to make money doing it, that's a whole nother thing. I learned very
• 1:24:44
  early on when I was working in California about the idea of selling your own
• 1:24:46
  time, So I've always been somewhat favorable to doing that and find it a
• 1:24:51
  better way to go even with radio station negotiations or contract negotiations, if they
• 1:24:57
  would give you time to sell that that was always an because the money was
• 1:25:00
  coming directly to you. It wasn't being carved up by the sales department,
• 1:25:02
  the management team. You know, money going here and there, and you
• 1:25:05
  would see a small, you know, pittance of a percentage of it.
• 1:25:09
  So it's a it's a good period of time right now if you can,
• 1:25:13
  you know, find your niche and find your platform. And uh, you
• 1:25:16
  know, I've done a variety of different things since, but right now we're
• 1:25:19
  having a lot of success with a thing called Caffeine TV. There are a
• 1:25:24
  lot of these little, smaller TV outlets and platforms that are being established that
• 1:25:28
  are having success. And you do see with the podcast platforms that are already
• 1:25:31
  available. We're working with a company called no Filter dot net where we originate
• 1:25:36
  a broadcast every day called the Morning Briefing. It's up there at about a
• 1:25:41
  quarter to eight every day. And you know, the archive these things,
• 1:25:45
  so you can find all of them if you just google the Morning Briefing on
• 1:25:47
  Caffeine TV. So yeah, I mean it's been it's been good, very
• 1:25:53
  interesting ride, and the future is nothing but right, But you have to
• 1:25:58
  be able to connect otherwise you're you're pretty much just doing it as a hobby.
• 1:26:01
  So you know that takes that takes some work and some effort and some
• 1:26:04
  perseverance. But in the long run, it's a lot of fun being able
• 1:26:10
  to just flip a switch and I turn on a couple of lights at home
• 1:26:12
  and do a television show. How could you beat that? I mean,
• 1:26:15
  it really is terrific. So I'm very happy. I wish this stuff had
• 1:26:17
  happened years ago. Yeah, I'd taken me a little while to acclimate to
• 1:26:23
  it. I have a Twitter account to you that one. Also, I
• 1:26:26
  don't do Twitter. I stayed off, and everybody says, hey, you
• 1:26:29
  would be great on Twitter, and I've had some accounts related to shows I've
• 1:26:33
  done, but I never I never get involved because it seems like you can
• 1:26:36
  only get in a jackpot. Although it is the way to expand your horizons
• 1:26:40
  in terms of generating interest in your programs, it certainly is helpful there,
• 1:26:45
  but I stay out of it. I'd probably say the one thing, you
• 1:26:47
  know, with the cancel culture that's out there today, I don't know that
• 1:26:50
  everybody gets my humor all the time. Soever you know, you'll say something
• 1:26:55
  to somebody thinking that you paid them the ultimate compliment and they walk away completely
• 1:26:58
  insulted, and everyone is to you again. So I stay, I stay
• 1:27:01
  off of the exit and all of that stuff. Yeah, Twitter is an
• 1:27:04
  interesting animal. Right, Well, one more question and it has been a
• 1:27:09
  lot of fun, folks. Yeah, yeah, I can't believe we were
• 1:27:12
  doing this. Remember right to the bell here. I mean, well,
• 1:27:14
  you know what, you know what, here's the deal, Jeff, when
• 1:27:15
  you've got two broadcasters like us, and I will tell you right now,
• 1:27:18
  for a lot of the folks that are watching this show, I always feel
• 1:27:21
  the best way to be a good broadcaster is you need to be at a
• 1:27:26
  writing journalist first. That way you understand. I agree with you a thousand
• 1:27:29
  percent. Scott. That's a great point. Well, you do, because
• 1:27:31
  once you understand the language of the written form, you can easily talk about
• 1:27:34
  it. Well. You also learn to think in full sentences. That was
• 1:27:38
  something, and you're not butchering the English language. I think a lot of
• 1:27:42
  people enjoy hearing somebody that you know is somewhat articulate and isn't using a lot
• 1:27:47
  of you know, bad grammar and you know all kinds of awkward sentence structure
• 1:27:51
  and things like that. Isn't stammering around, And as a writer you learned
• 1:27:56
  to think like that. You were thinking of, you know, the sentence
• 1:27:59
  you were writing, how that's going to sound. I always kind of you
• 1:28:01
  know, announced you know, I had it in my head when I was
• 1:28:03
  writing stories, sports stories, and I think that background helped out immeasurably in
• 1:28:10
  making my way into the electronic medium. Yeah. George Iikorn is the guy
• 1:28:13
  I've worked with for forty four years, and he talks about my book being
• 1:28:15
  terrific, So yeah, I agree, and he's actually a h did the
• 1:28:19
  forward on it. So right now, the one question we're gonna end it
• 1:28:23
  with, but probably only fitting that we do, is let's talk about steam
• 1:28:28
  may Okay? Oh, I thought you were gonna say, who do you
• 1:28:30
  like in the fifth at the down Track? Tonight, I'll tell you what
• 1:28:32
  not Bill Walton. I drank the Bill Walton Cooley and water that melted down
• 1:28:40
  over the Wars and got sick off the stupid water. When I realized,
• 1:28:43
  I think Jerry Garcia right ice cubed you melt into water, and that's what
• 1:28:47
  I had to make sure but that's it's okay. It was still fun.
• 1:28:50
  It's a good story to the day. Broken water as Mexico has no way
• 1:28:54
  to be tell me about I can tell you, well, we get together,
• 1:28:58
  we get a bite deep. Don't worry, There'll be plenty stories.
• 1:29:00
  But I will bring you on a future edition of the Sports Exchange of runs
• 1:29:03
  after nine o'clock, and you're going to meet some of the most talented young
• 1:29:06
  te grip that we actually hear. They'll be really good. These guys are
• 1:29:10
  probably watching this show, and I hope they'll learn a lot. So all
• 1:29:13
  right, let's talk about Dusty May. How do you feel that Dusty May
• 1:29:16
  will do at the University of Michigan. I would imagine he'll do well.
• 1:29:20
  I mean, there's no reason to think otherwise. I had a chance to
• 1:29:24
  get to know Dusty May a little bit while he was coaching here. We
• 1:29:28
  actually had him we do. One of the shows we do is a restaurant
• 1:29:31
  review podcast that we do with the former sports writer of the Sun Sentinel became
• 1:29:35
  the food critic, Mike Mayo, and we're having some good success with that.
• 1:29:40
  A friend of mine, a guy would call special K's a big basketball
• 1:29:43
  Officionado and he is very heavily involved with FAU and the programs there, and
• 1:29:48
  he does through this place called Italia's Tuscan Table or Kitchen in Boca Ratone.
• 1:29:56
  They do a lot of the catering for FAU and the sports teams. So
• 1:30:00
  he set us up on the Food Show with an interview for an hour with
• 1:30:03
  Dusty Mate, very very likable, affable, interesting fellow, seems to be
• 1:30:10
  extremely professional. To do what he accomplished there and get an FAU team to
• 1:30:15
  a Final four, you have to be kidding me. I mean, that's
• 1:30:17
  a monumental achievement. Most people thought he probably would leave after that. Maybe
• 1:30:21
  the right opportunity wasn't there. He signs the extension ten years at FAU.
• 1:30:26
  What were you thinking? He's really going to be here ten more years if
• 1:30:29
  he was great, but other opportunities were going to be dangling his face.
• 1:30:32
  A lot of people thought maybe he would take the Louisville John But I can't
• 1:30:35
  believe how sorry they've been over the last couple of years. Is it really
• 1:30:40
  six and fifty two for two years with Louisville? Holy Rick Bettinam what are
• 1:30:43
  we talking about here? And I think I'll have nothing but success. He's
• 1:30:46
  extremely organized. He's going to have a little bit of power. I mean,
• 1:30:49
  all coaches are dealing with this, especially at the level of FAU.
• 1:30:53
  Tom Herman talks about this too, where you recruit a bunch of freshman players,
• 1:30:57
  know, a couple of them turned out to be really good, and
• 1:30:59
  what's happening. They're transfer portal the next year, and yeah, you have
• 1:31:02
  all of these big schools coming after. I'm offering them all kinds of money
• 1:31:04
  that you can't compete with. So the landscape has changed dramatically. I think
• 1:31:10
  you'll have a lot more clout there with the Michigan Boosters and what they have
• 1:31:15
  in terms of arrangements with cash for players, and I think I'll do very
• 1:31:18
  well. I mean to do well. What he accomplished in six years at
• 1:31:23
  FAU, I think is beyond phenomenal and I wish him all the best.
• 1:31:27
  He's a really good guy. If anybody knows anything about the Michigan Wolverines.
• 1:31:30
  Again, I'm both born and raised, Yeah I was, And I got
• 1:31:34
  my undergraduate degree over heres in South Florida and I got an Associates of Proper
• 1:31:39
  Community College. So so all my education was good. The dust that he
• 1:31:43
  may will do well and that will be one of our topics. Real professional
• 1:31:45
  I mean though too. I mean you can ask him a different question,
• 1:31:48
  the same question a different week later, and he's very nice about it.
• 1:31:53
  Well better about going to Tourmina. But he's that kind of got the Michigan
• 1:31:57
  Wolverines in southeastern Michigan. You're gaining a treat with Dusty mean not on he's
• 1:32:00
  a winner, but he handles the media well and he has an approach.
• 1:32:04
  And I knew that when the Michigan job opened. I made predictions that went
• 1:32:08
  live that he was going to get the job. And I'm not bragging about
• 1:32:11
  it, but I felt if there was ever a fit to go anywhere,
• 1:32:15
  I think the fact that he ended up going to Michigan was an ideal move
• 1:32:18
  for him. And hey, you got the big block m right, how
• 1:32:21
  can you turn that down? Especially with that one hundred and nine thousand football
• 1:32:27
  game in thirteen fourteen thousand, and I just hope one of these days that
• 1:32:30
  Florida Atlanta gets a bigger gym at least seven to ten thousand instead. And
• 1:32:35
  then the other thing, I'll say that we talked about it. I did
• 1:32:39
  get Brian White's cell phone number. He said, he ever I want to
• 1:32:42
  do something, they just give me a call, will just set it up.
• 1:32:44
  He's great, Brian White. I mean, if anybody can solve the
• 1:32:45
  situation and be Brian White. I want one thing about FAU. You know,
• 1:32:49
  they're able to attract more high profile coaches now than they would have been
• 1:32:54
  at any other time because of the fact that Dusty may put the program on
• 1:32:57
  the map, so they kind of owe him, you know, some homage
• 1:33:00
  there, and you know they got Tom Herman coaching football. This guy's no
• 1:33:04
  slouch, so we'll see what he can do. Although that situation is not
• 1:33:09
  easy. We were good friends with Charlie Partridge. He was the head coach
• 1:33:12
  there for several years. Used to come on our show every week and just
• 1:33:15
  talk about anything. He was great. But that may really impressed me.
• 1:33:19
  As you could tell, he's just a terrific guy, well rounded, has
• 1:33:26
  a sense of humor that doesn't necessarily come out while he's coaching, but it
• 1:33:30
  really is very down to earth and grounded, and I think his approach is
• 1:33:35
  so thoroughly professional that I can't help but think that he's going to be successful
• 1:33:39
  anywhere. And I was sort of I don't know if I was overwhelmingly surprised
• 1:33:44
  that he didn't leave last year, thought maybe that would be the move that
• 1:33:46
  he signs an extension and then sticks around another year or two. But what
• 1:33:49
  he did there was beyond remarkable. I went and I went to that game.
• 1:33:53
  I was like, how is the final four team coming out of this?
• 1:33:56
  It's impossible to think. I mean, you had a bunch of dentists
• 1:33:59
  and trump hat and that was the alumni base and uh, you know,
• 1:34:01
  three thousand people in the gym there and a bunch of tuba players and you're
• 1:34:05
  asking yourself, how is it feasible that this program is competing with the heavyweights?
• 1:34:10
  Uh, you know, and going they buy all right, should have
• 1:34:14
  been in that final game against Yukon, except they fell apart there where they
• 1:34:17
  had had been such a brilliant team in terms of their late game presence.
• 1:34:21
  Uh. But yeah, I couldn't be happier for him, And I think,
• 1:34:25
  you know, it was probably time for both parties, uh, you
• 1:34:28
  know, to go in another direction, because unless he was going to stick
• 1:34:30
  around for the long term, it was only a matter of time if he
• 1:34:33
  didn't leave. This year certainly wasn't gonna go much. Friend, I agree.
• 1:34:36
  Well, you know you mentioned Tom Herman see this hat the Motor City
• 1:34:41
  manmouth when he saw this hand over at the press conference, and you know,
• 1:34:44
  Tom will and I'm going to actually I ended up getting him a hat
• 1:34:46
  and I'm going to present it to him over after the spring football game or
• 1:34:49
  somewhere around there. He wanted a copy of this hat, so I got
• 1:34:53
  him one made beauty and you know he and he embraced it. And then
• 1:34:58
  I told Katrie McCormick, you know what, I'll talk to him about the
• 1:35:01
  half, but he's got to take a picture with me and then he's gonna
• 1:35:03
  give me a one on one interview with Tom Herman. And I you talk
• 1:35:06
  about a coach a reporter that click. Well, Tommy to me is nice.
• 1:35:11
  He's a great guy. Great guy. Yeah. He also came on
• 1:35:15
  that food show at Italia's testing table and he couldn't have been any more engaging.
• 1:35:18
  He was absolutely fantastic. Yeah, fa, you could not have gotten
• 1:35:21
  a better football coach and Tom Herman and I love working with the guy.
• 1:35:26
  Yeah, you know so. But you know again, I think Dustill will
• 1:35:30
  do well, but Tom Herman don't. I'll tell you what, this guy.
• 1:35:32
  If anybody can get FA on track and build a program that is liking,
• 1:35:36
  it's him. And remember one thing about Tom Herman, though, he's
• 1:35:39
  coached the big programs, So the likelihood of him staying, I think is
• 1:35:43
  a lot better when you've been there and done that, okay, versus one
• 1:35:46
  that craven to get there. I tell you what. And I mentioned Charlie
• 1:35:51
  pontfordge and he was very happy as a defensive line coach and assistant head coach
• 1:35:57
  at Pittsburgh under Nardoozi, and he was having good success there. He put
• 1:36:00
  a lot of guys into the pros and was very highly regarded. And he
• 1:36:04
  told us he just the landscape of college football has changed so dramatically with the
• 1:36:09
  transfer portal and the way things are going that he actually opted to leave a
• 1:36:14
  job that he really really loved. He was perfectly happy there. And now
• 1:36:16
  he's going to be an assistant with the Indianapolis Colts. And we're seeing that
• 1:36:21
  as a move that, you know, I mean, you had guys like
• 1:36:24
  Chip Kelly leave a head coaching job to become an assistant very you know,
• 1:36:29
  very different. The way that the game is being conducted now and a lot
• 1:36:32
  of the guys that were in this game for a long period of time are
• 1:36:35
  not happy with it and feel like, hey, it's just a feudal endeavor
• 1:36:40
  and it's defeating everything that they know believed in terms of the way the sports
• 1:36:43
  should be conducted. And now they find themselves looking to go elsewhere. All
• 1:36:47
  right, well, everybody, you know it's multa city Man Mouse. Though
• 1:36:49
  man name was Scott Morgan route the motive City Man Mouth. Please to be
• 1:36:53
  joined by Jeff to Forth, my longtime colleague in sports media and South Florida,
• 1:36:58
  and knowing Jeff forever, I'm just glad to have him on the program
• 1:37:00
  that we're able to talk and be able to not only reminisce, but talk
• 1:37:03
  about old school media versus new school media. So this show here tonight is
• 1:37:08
  designing to give you a perspective to me of both ends of it. And
• 1:37:12
  you know, I call this a textbook show because there's no way you can't
• 1:37:15
  learn it, and you probably and you definitely earned your way in my follow
• 1:37:18
  up book, you know as well, you know, Lessons on Media Part
• 1:37:23
  Two, which will probably come out later in the year after I get done
• 1:37:26
  writing it. And I think it goes back to what you said to Jeff.
• 1:37:28
  I'm in a point now in my career where for me, okay,
• 1:37:32
  I'm only going I'm going to pick and choose events where I know will be
• 1:37:35
  an asset to my next book, knowing I've done a lot anyhow, So
• 1:37:40
  you have to scale back a little bit, you know, adjust to how
• 1:37:44
  the new PR people are, and then pick and shoes where you have the
• 1:37:46
  best relationship. Because I don't care what business you're in. If you don't
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  have good relationships, okay, you're in trouble. And I think that's important.
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  And that's the only thing I can say about this industry. I've been
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  fortunate enough to have good relationships with you, Edward Lynner, as well as
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  a lot of people in the national media, and I'm just I think that
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  these relationships to me are so CRISI say, Reallyater, I am so glad
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  you joined us here on the MotorCity man Mouth Show, and we will bring
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  on the Sports Exchange probably after the NFL Draft. I'd love to have you
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  on it so that I teach from other new people about how things are.
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  But meanwhile, Candy wanted to give us one more break here. Then we'll
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  Candy's gonna go ahead and do her thing. Lessons from the Microphone a
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  and we want to thank everybody in the chat room for their incredible portaistion.
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  Nice Sean by those people they were dunking, low Zinsky, George Barn,
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  Josh Obernstein, the list goes on and on and at and Jesse Stiber.
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  We have a lot of good future broadcasters in this chat room, and
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  I just like it when we get that type of participation, it just shows
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  the guests. And these people are fantastic. But you know what, the
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  MVP of this show wasn't me, Jeff with you, I was Candy.
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  I mean, she did the best job, you know, and probably should
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  be doing some voice work somewhere at very high inflated salaries. But I will
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  say this, this impressed me too. It's something I took away from that
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  FAU press conference. These young people that were in the media. It's a
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  totally different game now than it was. Yeah, in many many ways.
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  I mean the way things are presented, the way that you go about your
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  business. I mean I used to dictate. I was on a payphone at
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  the Olympic Auditorium dictating my boxing stories at eleven o'clock at night while there was
• 1:40:24
  a riot going on when I was working in LA and You'd be sitting there
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  going he hit him with a left comma and there would be a guy back
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  at the newspaper actually typing as you were dictating this stuff. That's the kind
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  of thing that you had to do. And it's changed so dramatically now where
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  now you can click a story in from your telephone. But I was very
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  impressed with the young media coord that was there that day. That was a
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  well run press conference, and I thought, wow, look at these young
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  kids. The state of affairs here with the medium going to be in good
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  hand with some of the people that were involved. So it was nice to
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  see these young kids doing the right thing and enjoying it and looking to,
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  you know, make a big care for themselves in the media. Change a
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  lot, but at the same time, more opportunity than ever before, Easier
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  to get into than ever before. Difficult maybe to make it big with something
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  like this, but it's possible, it's doable. So yeah, Future is
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  right, Scotty Future All you're doing a good job with these people. Oh,
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  thank you. I appreciate that. Well, I'm going to tell you
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  something, Katrina. I was happy that Katrina McCormick met Chip Namius. Okay,
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  Tip's the only one who could tell her what a young pump I was.
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  And I've worked with Katrina one of the best pr people out there,
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  and she's done a good job with her staff over the years. And you
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  know when I had a guy named Dave Barnett of ESPN one time on and
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  did a one on one lot and do it with you, Jeff. You
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  know what he's done. He scrapped the national stuff and I'm just going to
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  do North Texas. So there comes a point in your life where you have
• 1:41:47
  to be comfortable with who you are is what you do, and then you
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  know, and I am at this white. Don't get me wrong. There's
• 1:41:54
  other things I want to do and I will do them, Jeff. But
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  you know what, this industry now it's time to give you a heartburn and
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  all that. But I like to be challenged by new challenges. And I
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  guess the right word there, Jeff. Is it fascinates me? Yeah,
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  it really does. You have to stay interested otherwise what's the point of doing
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  it? Well? You did there the old stuff. Now I'm just looking
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  forward to be honestly, I'm looking forward to a continuation with you and I
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  doing other stuff as well, in addition to the other people I bring on.
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  So again, folks, I only know the forest over forty years as
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  you can hardly tell that we could talk forever, but not pretty good Tonight
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  the first act for both of us. But meanwhile, I want to thank
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  everybody for tuning in on this edition to the MotorCity mad Mouth Immediately afterwards we
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  have the Sports Have Change Spencer Tom Said will be on along with jb Ellis
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  and George Eichorn and yours truly myself, Scott Morgan Rosse. So, Jeff,
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  I want to thank you very much for coming on the MotorCity mad Mouths
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  Show, and I look forward to us doing a lot more great things together.
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  But our first act here on the MotorCity man Mouth Show, I will
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  say it was a great stack. We went everywhere from Don Shuloh to wars
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  that don't get me better than that. It's amazing. We have a warrant
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  story here to tell, but no terrific. Thanks Scott for having me,
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  and anytime just let me know and be happy to come on again anytime that
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  you need me. Well, look forward to it. Not only that you
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  live right down the street from me. We're gonna get together, We're gonna
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  get a bite date. We'll talk about other things we want to get done
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  together, but great time tonight shout thank you so much for doing US and
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  the Sports Exchanges coming up next. Good Night, everybody,