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O-Zone Podcast: GM Trent Baalke · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast presented by by Star Credit
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  Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, welcome Toute
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  Speaker 1: this week's Ozone podcast presented by by Star and this
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  Speaker 1: week's guest I'm looking forward to We talked to him
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  Speaker 1: last year around this time, similar format. A lot has happened,
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  Speaker 1: major changes in the organization, Jaguars General Manager Trent Balky.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this very much. Trent. Thanks. So
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  Speaker 1: I've got to ask I love asking gms this question.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get a chance. You walk out there
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  Speaker 1: after the draft, you've had your off season, you've seen
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  Speaker 1: what you wanted to do, and then you walk out
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  Speaker 1: for the first day O T A S and it's
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  Speaker 1: a chance to see them in action. What's that feeling
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  Speaker 1: like as a GM? Well, you hope it's a good feeling.
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  Speaker 1: But you hope they when you get out there, they
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  Speaker 1: look how you felt they were gonna look. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a good group. It's a really good group of guys,
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  Speaker 1: a high character group. They get along well, they've they've
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  Speaker 1: meshed really quickly together. Uh, it's a it's a very
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  Speaker 1: smart group. They got an excellent football I Q. So
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  Speaker 1: that's been fun to watch thus far. I've always heard
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  Speaker 1: from scouts and gms and I'm gonna assume this didn't
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  Speaker 1: happen this year. But what you don't want early on
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  Speaker 1: from a rookie in many campus to walk out the
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  Speaker 1: field going oh about a guy, Well, I've had that
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  Speaker 1: feeling before. No, I mean, it's it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: unique feeling, right, it's the first chance to really see
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  Speaker 1: them out there and how they stack up with with
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  Speaker 1: the guys that have already been here. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's always a little angst when when they're they're arriving. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but again, this is a this is a group that
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  Speaker 1: when they showed up from day one, they came to
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  Speaker 1: work and uh, you know, we have a team right
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  Speaker 1: now that's really putting in the heart a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good quality time. And again, uh, we
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do. But it's fun
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  Speaker 1: to watch them go to work every day because they
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  Speaker 1: enjoy doing it. GM's are always asked so much about
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  Speaker 1: the draft because that's sort of what people talk about
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  Speaker 1: in the offseason. I'd love to know your assessment of
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  Speaker 1: the veterans who came back this year. Uh, with a
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  Speaker 1: fresh start with Doug, what have you seen from that
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  Speaker 1: group in terms of their dedication and their commitment to
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  Speaker 1: restart all of that package. What have you seen from
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  Speaker 1: that Well, a lot of good things. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: was a group that became very tight through the course
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  Speaker 1: of last year, and it showed up in the final
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  Speaker 1: game obviously, the way they went out and played, and
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  Speaker 1: they stayed together through through a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of off the field stuff. And uh so when you
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  Speaker 1: look at how they approached last season and how they
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  Speaker 1: went about it day to day and to come back
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  Speaker 1: into a new setting and to continue to work hard.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I think we do sense out there's
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  Speaker 1: a little more sense of urgency, and that's because there's
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  Speaker 1: more competition. More competition breeds urgency, and that's where we're
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  Speaker 1: at right now. Um, you've talked a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we've gotten to know you as much of
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  Speaker 1: your background over the last couple of years as we
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  Speaker 1: probably should have. Um, your biggest football influence, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: you talk about parcels a lot. Is that fair? Is
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  Speaker 1: there another influence there? I'd love to get to know
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of about your background on that front.
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  Speaker 1: And and I built Parcels. Well, I mean, I've been
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  Speaker 1: very fortunate to work with some of the best football
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  Speaker 1: minds in the in the business, and you know, from
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  Speaker 1: coach Belasia, Coach Parcels, Coach Schottenheimer, you know, Coach Spurrier,
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  Speaker 1: Coach Gibbs. I mean, I've been fortunate to be around
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  Speaker 1: a lot of very good football coaches and and personnel guys.
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  Speaker 1: When I broke into the league, Mr Haley with the
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  Speaker 1: New York Jets, you know, one of the finest men
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  Speaker 1: and one of the finest you know, personnel evaluators. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the league's probably ever seen. You know, so when you
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  Speaker 1: when you get a chance to be around people like that,
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  Speaker 1: you try to absorb as much as you can. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: don't put myself in those that category, but again, just
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  Speaker 1: blessed to work with guys like that that, uh continue
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  Speaker 1: to help me. I talked to Coach Parcels probably you know,
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  Speaker 1: once a month at least, and uh, just banner back
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  Speaker 1: and forth and try to pick his brain. Uh. He's
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  Speaker 1: probably forgotten more football than I'll ever know. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you have a resource like that, you use them.
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  Speaker 1: That's an unbelievable list. Gibbs Parcels Belichick. Um, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: a fair question because there's so much you learned from
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  Speaker 1: all of them. But is there a thread that you
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  Speaker 1: think of, um that runs through all that in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what it takes to be great in this business? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's some core things that they all believed in. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a big man's game. Is one theme
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  Speaker 1: that rang true for for the people I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: You know, football intelligence is extremely important. Uh grit, you
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  Speaker 1: know what you know in that? Where does that come from?
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  Speaker 1: You know some people say the mind. I say it
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  Speaker 1: comes from the soul. But you know, guys, you want
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  Speaker 1: guys that can overcome adversity. You want guys that are
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  Speaker 1: are comfortable being uncomfortable. And when you get that and
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  Speaker 1: you get a locker room full of those kind of guys,
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  Speaker 1: you got a pretty good chance to go out on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday and play winning football. I grew up a huge
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  Speaker 1: Washington football team fan. So at some point you've got
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  Speaker 1: to tell me some games Parcels stories because that was
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  Speaker 1: my drug when I was a kid. So that's fantastic stuff. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a Trent ballky player? Meaning? Is there is
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  Speaker 1: something you look for that defines what you like in
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  Speaker 1: a guy. Well, I think I just you know guys
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, the same stuff. The guys that with great
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  Speaker 1: work ethics. Uh, guys that love the game of football,
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  Speaker 1: they play it for the right reasons, play it for uh,
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  Speaker 1: not for what it brings to them, but just the
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  Speaker 1: love of the game. You know, Guys like Frank Gore,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Smith, Uh, you know Pat Willis. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: could go on, and I don't want to leave anybody out.
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  Speaker 1: Guys that just they love the game, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: you're looking for. Guys that that love it, that's uh,
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  Speaker 1: that want to be very good at it, very successful
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  Speaker 1: at it, and you know winning is extremely important to them.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find yourself spending more time during the draft
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  Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of that than you
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  Speaker 1: do the physical stuff because you can see the physical stuff. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I think the physical the film doesn't lie. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it shouldn't take you a hundred hours to watch a
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  Speaker 1: player to figure out whether he can do it physically.
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  Speaker 1: What you're trying to do is connect all the dots
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  Speaker 1: on the psychological profiling that you do. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all the background work that you do digging into these guys,
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  Speaker 1: all the conversations you have along the way, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, make sure the stars aligned,
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  Speaker 1: connect the dots as you will, and if if they
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  Speaker 1: they align, chances are you're gonna get which you think
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get. When they don't, you know, you're sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you gotta take a shot. Tell me about the process. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you and Doug, it's well documented that the relationship
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  Speaker 1: is going well. Uh when you're trying to get to
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  Speaker 1: know a coach earlier in the offseason and mainly trying
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  Speaker 1: to get your scouts and your personnel people to understand
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  Speaker 1: what that coaching staff wants. What is that process entailed?
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  Speaker 1: Are their meetings? Are their questions? You want to ask,
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  Speaker 1: how do you get you know, an entire staff of
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  Speaker 1: people on one sense knowing what matters to these guys? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I think you you work together, You collaborate, You have
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  Speaker 1: sessions where the coaches you know, are are letting you
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  Speaker 1: know what they're looking for. You watch film with them
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  Speaker 1: so they can point things out, like like we did
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  Speaker 1: in free agency, like we did in the draft. You
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  Speaker 1: get together and you know, uh, as as evaluators, we
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  Speaker 1: can't get caught up in in the xs and ohs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're caught up in the Jimmy's and Joe's.
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  Speaker 1: If you will, it's nothing you say a lot. You
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  Speaker 1: bring a player in and it's up to the coach
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  Speaker 1: to use him, right. Yeah. You know one phrase I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I take from coach Parcels all the time,
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  Speaker 1: as you can't coach the team, you know when you're
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  Speaker 1: when you're a GM or you're an evaluator, it's not
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  Speaker 1: your job, it's not your role. Let's let the coaches
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  Speaker 1: coach and find players that fit what they want to
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  Speaker 1: do from a schematic standpoint, you know, and and trust
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  Speaker 1: that once you've given them a player that can do
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  Speaker 1: certain things, they're gonna ask that that player does those
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  Speaker 1: things and keep them away from things that he maybe
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  Speaker 1: doesn't do well, you know. And that's I mean again,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the collaborative effort that you go through to
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  Speaker 1: make sure you're getting the right players that fit yourself,
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  Speaker 1: your your organization from a cultural stand point and a
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  Speaker 1: physical standpoint. I guess we're almost four months into Doug
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  Speaker 1: being here. Um, what's your biggest takeaway in terms of
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  Speaker 1: what he brings what you like about his approach, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to like. I mean, he's a he's an
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  Speaker 1: excellent football coach. He's put together an excellent coaching staff,
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  Speaker 1: he knows exactly how he wants things run, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the he's a he's a player's coach, but
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  Speaker 1: he's also he's also a stickler. He wants it done
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  Speaker 1: a certain way. So he's just got a great demeanor
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  Speaker 1: about him. The players have taken to it well. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know again, you know, the the collaborative nature that
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  Speaker 1: of how we works has been has been really good.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something you say over and over again. I
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  Speaker 1: was laughing during the draft because at one point you've
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  Speaker 1: been asked four or five different times and you finally said, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is not Trent Baky's draft, this is the team draft.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a big deal to you, right, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think you know, it always gets overblown who makes the
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  Speaker 1: final decision. Well, if you're working together and you're building
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  Speaker 1: a winning for you know, a winner, you have to
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  Speaker 1: work together. You have to make decisions together. You have
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  Speaker 1: to see things and have a vision for what what
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to look like. And you know, Doug and
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  Speaker 1: I share that. You know, are we always going to
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  Speaker 1: agree on on every decision. No, I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: healthy either. But when we when we don't, we figure
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  Speaker 1: it out. And uh, there's been very few times where
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  Speaker 1: we haven't agreed on something, you know, And I just
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  Speaker 1: really enjoy the working relationship that we share. When you guys, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a process. There's not a specific moment,
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  Speaker 1: but you come out of your meetings when you first
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  Speaker 1: start talking, Uh, what was the biggest thing you thought
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  Speaker 1: you had to accomplish in the off season or I
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  Speaker 1: know there was a lot, but position groups, speed, something
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  Speaker 1: like that that you really wanted to get better before Jim, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we had we had the improve the roster in every
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  Speaker 1: aspect in terms of competitiveness, you know, Uh, you can
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  Speaker 1: never have enough competition in those rooms. So we had
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  Speaker 1: to make we had to take a look at each
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  Speaker 1: room and figure out a way to make each room stronger.
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  Speaker 1: And I think if you look through what we did
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  Speaker 1: in free agency, you look through what we did in
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  Speaker 1: the draft, and you combine, combine that, especially with college
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  Speaker 1: free agency, we're a deeper team. We're a more competitive team. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what's that gonna How is that going to translate? On
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  Speaker 1: the field to wins and law you know that's anyone's guests.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, our whole goal was to make this
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  Speaker 1: team stronger and more competitive in every room, and I
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  Speaker 1: think we accomplished that. It's it's an obvious question, but
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard you talk about and specifically in a while. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Um, obviously the key to everything. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: what you've seen from his progress, his growth, and what
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  Speaker 1: do you think he stands right now? You're just more confident.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's carrying himself with more confidence. He's he's
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  Speaker 1: delivering the ball quicker, Uh, continuing to do that. I've
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that through the course of the the offseason,
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  Speaker 1: getting the ball out of his hands, being more decisive. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there there's a lot there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: growth that has to continue to take place for him,
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  Speaker 1: just like there is for a lot of these young guys.
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  Speaker 1: Were a young football team and you know, we've got
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  Speaker 1: to We've got some older veteran guys that uh, that
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  Speaker 1: have stepped up in the leadership roles, but this is
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  Speaker 1: still a young football team. So there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: growth that has to take place both in the locker
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  Speaker 1: room and on the field, and I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: see that with it with every outing, how how impressing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot has been made of it. But his ability
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  Speaker 1: to handle last year, you know a lot of loss
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of tough situations, and it was notable
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  Speaker 1: how much poison maturity he showed um as a GM.
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  Speaker 1: How import is that to you to have that kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy in that position? Oh, I was. It's critical.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's he's mature beyond his years. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a he's an old soul, he's a he's he's
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  Speaker 1: a leader, you know, and he does it in his
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  Speaker 1: own way, like any any good leader does. He's got
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  Speaker 1: his own style. But the maturity showed last year was
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  Speaker 1: was very impressive, and he's continued to build on that
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  Speaker 1: as we work through this offseason. How as a second year,
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  Speaker 1: he always here second year at the time for a
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  Speaker 1: jump in terms of the entire class, entire one class.
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  Speaker 1: How critical is that class? How do you feel about
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  Speaker 1: that class going into their second year? I feel really good,
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  Speaker 1: you know right now with what we're seeing on the field.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've we're seeing the maturation of that that
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  Speaker 1: class before our very eyes. I think It's been nice
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  Speaker 1: to see Travis out there. He's shown uh, some really
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  Speaker 1: good things early on in camp and it's early. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the d Ebs, Tyson and Cisco, both of
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  Speaker 1: those guys are you know, way ahead of where they
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  Speaker 1: were last year when when we ended, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: j to Fele you know, Jordan Smith. Guys like that
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  Speaker 1: are are competing and they've taken another jump, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting, interesting to watch these guys
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  Speaker 1: as they go through this season, and you know, if
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  Speaker 1: they can continue to build off where they're currently at,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the future is bright for all those guys.
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  Speaker 1: I love asking general managers this, and I'd meant to
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  Speaker 1: ask you earlier. When you see a draft grade, what
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  Speaker 1: is your first thought? Whatever cares what I think? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's impossible to grade a draft class. Uh, it
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  Speaker 1: really is, you um, you know, because if you go
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  Speaker 1: back and you look at those grades two years, three
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  Speaker 1: years later, you know, sixty seventy of them are dead wrong.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Let's let these guys get out there and
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  Speaker 1: play ball and then let's grade you know, the performance
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  Speaker 1: as we as their careers unfold. It's not fair to
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  Speaker 1: grade them now, and uh, you know, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: put much stock in anything that's that's printed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the day after a draft or a week after the draft,
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  Speaker 1: it means nothing to me. I've always told people when
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  Speaker 1: I was with the newspaper, manitors made me great the
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  Speaker 1: draft for like all thirty two teams, and after doing it,
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  Speaker 1: once I put it down, I called my matters. I said,
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  Speaker 1: that's the most ridiculous process I have seen in my life,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know. You know, you're grading them based
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  Speaker 1: on what you know people like you have seen them
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  Speaker 1: far more than I. You're trying to figure out all
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  Speaker 1: teams needs. So it's always been one of the most
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  Speaker 1: absurd things about the NFL to me, and I I
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  Speaker 1: can only imagine what the people actually involved in the
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  Speaker 1: process think of them. So that's just my little thought.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know many people that that even pay any
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  Speaker 1: attention to them. To be honest with you, if you're
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  Speaker 1: in this business, you've learned from a long time and
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  Speaker 1: not so you know it's it's it's for the fans.
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  Speaker 1: I guess as you go into this, Uh, again, probably
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  Speaker 1: a fair question, but how much better do you feel
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  Speaker 1: about this roster now? Then? You did in March or
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  Speaker 1: March seven for example. Again, we feel better, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I really like the group that's running around on
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  Speaker 1: that field right now. We've we've got almost full participation.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're sitting at ninety one on the roster
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  Speaker 1: with the international edition. So uh you know, on any
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  Speaker 1: given day we'll have guys out there running around usually
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  Speaker 1: uh so it's fun to watch him. You know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't put any you know, Let's let these guys go
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  Speaker 1: out and practice and develop and come together, and let's
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  Speaker 1: throw it. Roll out the ball and in late July,
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  Speaker 1: early August, and let's see where we're at. You last
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  Speaker 1: thing I like to do here, I caught the ozone five.
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  Speaker 1: It's buy fun questions, a chance for fans to get
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  Speaker 1: to know Trent Bulky a little bit. Are you game? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Throw them at throw them at me. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'm game or not. Your last binge watch, if
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  Speaker 1: a GM has time for a binge watch, yellow Stone,
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  Speaker 1: how excellent, fast love the show? Your favorite musical artist.
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  Speaker 1: I don't listen to a lot of music, so it's
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  Speaker 1: music country Western, So i'd say Tim McGraw, someone like that.
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  Speaker 1: Got your your best and for me. It's tragic this answer.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll ask you your best on field athletic memory
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  Speaker 1: as an athlete with me playing you play? Uh, probably
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  Speaker 1: my freshman year in college when we had the longest
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  Speaker 1: losing streak in division to football at the Midgee State
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  Speaker 1: and uh it was a fourth downd play to a
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  Speaker 1: on a crossing rope by a tight end and I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: made the tackle at the at the one yard line
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  Speaker 1: and we won the football games. Probably that's fantastic stuff.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Now I got asked, I happen to know, Uh, your
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: school huge hockey power? Are you hockey fan at that's
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  Speaker 1: something you follow? We're a big hockey fan. Love love hockey.
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  Speaker 1: One of my closest friends is Doug Wilson, who's uh
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: was it with the San Jose Sharks for a long
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: time as a generalman or a former player? They're former
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: player with the black Hawks. Uh. Spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time up in his suite watching games with him during
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: during the hockey season. Now is that as my next question,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: your best or favorite sport other than football is in hockey?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I'd say hockey? Yes, if not football, what do you
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: have done it? This wasn't your path? U'm probably a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: high school principal or a high school athletic director. You know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I'm in the in the teaching. My my wife's a teacher,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: my her father was a teacher, my daughter is a teacher.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So definitely UH into the education. Fantastic Trent Ball. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you playing along. I appreciate the time, I know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and what is it? Busy time of year. Not as
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: busy as a draft, but a busy time. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: it very much. Thanks for revenue.