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Basketball Wives EXCLUSIVE: Laura Govan Interview · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: We are here with my friend Okay, she's a friend
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  Speaker 2: of mine for over a decade.
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  Speaker 1: I love her. We were just talking earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, Seriously, she's aging backwards, aging backwards. She looks twenty
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  Speaker 2: years younger. She's always been in battie. She has a
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  Speaker 2: potty mouth, but if you know her, her heart is
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  Speaker 2: pure gold. Give it up for the beautiful legion of
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  Speaker 2: reality television. She outdresses any girl on television backs Laura Govin.
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  Speaker 1: How are you baby?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so good?
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  Speaker 2: You look okay, no shade, what's his secret? Is it
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  Speaker 2: alkaline water? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Like? What is it? You look amazing?
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  Speaker 3: So it's for sure good, that's right. And then after
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  Speaker 3: it's creams right and then say less oil always does
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  Speaker 3: the trick.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, coconut oil.
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  Speaker 3: Were from head to toe baby on me and him?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, coconut oil. We'll just be slipping the sign. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's good. Life is good.
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  Speaker 2: I have not seen this happy ever because when I
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  Speaker 2: met you, he was going through a divorce and the
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  Speaker 2: custody battle, separation, all that stuff. So this is the
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  Speaker 2: first time, and this is real, tea. This is the
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  Speaker 2: first time in our friendship that I see you glowing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh thanks, bab I didn't glow before you. Listen you
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  Speaker 3: you you're naturally gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm being very honest with you. It was like
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  Speaker 2: this cloud. I mean, listen, you were going through something
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  Speaker 2: so horrific in your relationship that any woman would have
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  Speaker 2: a hint of darkness bring over them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's so crazy too. In all of
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  Speaker 3: my TV life, I have always been authentic and myself
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  Speaker 3: The biggest problem I've always had is that I can't
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  Speaker 3: fake that. Like I gave you what I was at
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  Speaker 3: the time. If I wasn't happy, you saw I wasn't happy.
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  Speaker 3: If I wasn't if I was miserable, I gave you
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  Speaker 3: because it just it's hard. I'm from Oakland. I can't
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  Speaker 3: fake it. It's just it is what it is, like bro, like, nah,
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  Speaker 3: we're going in today. Today is the day that she
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  Speaker 3: gonna get it. Whoever. And it was based off of
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't have any control. I was really immature.
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  Speaker 3: I was. I was just for the moment. And however
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  Speaker 3: you got it is, I accepted it and I was
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  Speaker 3: good with that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this because you are from Oakland.
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  Speaker 2: Your April Latina, correct, your father's black, your mother's Latin.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay. Do you have how many siblings?
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  Speaker 3: So there's nine of us. I have five brothers and
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  Speaker 3: four sisters and all from the same parents. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so my parents have been married for fifty one years
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  Speaker 3: and together forever, right, and growing up, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: it was something about I just didn't really like my sisters.
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  Speaker 3: I always rocked with my brothers cause they like hooped,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: They always talk shit, nobody took nothing personal, so like
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  Speaker 3: it was that type of attitude. I learned how to fight,
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  Speaker 3: Like I really learn how to fight. I'm not into
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  Speaker 3: the pulling hair and like, no, bro, like we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: square up and go toe to toe and then afterwards
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna be cool because we had to get it out.
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  Speaker 3: It was. I learned from them like a male, like
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  Speaker 3: you know when you gotta have be territorial and it's
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  Speaker 3: like who's up, who's down. But I also learned from
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  Speaker 3: my mom how to be domestic. I watched her come in,
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  Speaker 3: she cooked every day. She I used to watch my
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  Speaker 3: dad walk in the house and he would sit down
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  Speaker 3: and she would go take your shoes off. And I
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  Speaker 3: used to be like, I'm never doing that ever, because
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  Speaker 3: in my mind I used to think, like, why is
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  Speaker 3: she slaving for him? But then I understood it. But
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  Speaker 3: I can give slave mentalion another way when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to that. So I'm gonna do you another one. I
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  Speaker 3: take care of you tonight, but I'm not taking off
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  Speaker 3: your shoes.
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  Speaker 2: So you being this girl growing up with eight siblings,
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  Speaker 2: I can relate to that my parents before my mom
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  Speaker 2: passed and were married for over forty years. It's ten
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  Speaker 2: of us, seven boys and three girls, okay, And I know,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm the middle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm number five out of ten. Okay, so I know.
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  Speaker 1: From big family, I'm right in the middle. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I know, coming from a big family, you always
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  Speaker 2: try to.
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  Speaker 1: Find your identity.
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  Speaker 2: What was your identity having three sisters and five brothers, So.
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  Speaker 3: For me, honestly, I had I'm third to the last,
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  Speaker 3: so I was the seventh baby. I took care of
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  Speaker 3: my younger brother and sister. Like Lonnie and Gloria, I
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  Speaker 3: took care of they had really nobody kind of I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't say that, but they had all of us, but
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  Speaker 3: they were just coddled up under me. I just took
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  Speaker 3: them up. But I'm so mothering and I knew, even
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  Speaker 3: at a young age, I was put on this planet
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  Speaker 3: to be a mom. I just I knew it. Then.
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  Speaker 3: I used to have weekend school with them. I took
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  Speaker 3: care of them. I taught him how to read, write, write,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So it was that type of thing. But
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  Speaker 3: not only because my parents were working busy. My dad
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  Speaker 3: owned jazz venues, my mom was and they were both
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  Speaker 3: in education. My dad did jazz venue at night, but
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  Speaker 3: in the day he was an educator. He was a
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  Speaker 3: principal and a council at Oakland High School where I went,
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  Speaker 3: and then my mom was at a bilingual school and
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  Speaker 3: so she was there and then they would just they
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  Speaker 3: would work together at night. So I would take care
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  Speaker 3: of my brother and sister. I would just make sure
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  Speaker 3: that they were bathed, shower, you know, everything was taking
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  Speaker 3: care hair, combed, clothed. I mean I went to I
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  Speaker 3: got arrested the first time at thirteen years old because
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  Speaker 3: I had stole from Ross and I remember my sister
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  Speaker 3: wanting a little Mermaid birthday party, and so I stole
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  Speaker 3: everything little Mermaid and I almost got away until the end.
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  Speaker 3: What happened, I got busted. The chick was like because
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  Speaker 3: I was walking out and as soon as I hit
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  Speaker 3: the door because I got nervous, I hit the door
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  Speaker 3: at Ross and the shit fell out my jacket. But
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  Speaker 3: I was holding a Hella tight and I had it scooped,
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  Speaker 3: and the shit came out, and I remember, and it
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  Speaker 3: was crazy because the officer ended up taking me home
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  Speaker 3: because I had caught the bar all the way to
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  Speaker 3: It's called Bay Fair Mal I had taken the bar
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, go anyway, long story, and I yep, And
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  Speaker 3: they took me home and my dad was like, nah,
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  Speaker 3: you need to she needs to sit in that car
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  Speaker 3: for a little bit. I need her to never be
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  Speaker 3: in this position again. And I wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But everything I did was for my brother and sister.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would remember going to Lucky in the Bay Area
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  Speaker 3: and that was our grocery store, and I would go
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  Speaker 3: in with an empty backpack and I would leave with
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  Speaker 3: a full backpack, just to take care of them.
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  Speaker 2: So what is your relationship like now with Gloria because
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  Speaker 2: we saw you too on the show. Yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: there did appear to be some sort of like I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: sisters go through the stuff. We see that with the Kardashians.
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  Speaker 2: But what is your relationship like now with her? Because
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  Speaker 2: what we did see was like a little bit of friction.
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  Speaker 3: Our relationship now is we're sisters. Listen. Our kids are
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  Speaker 3: beautiful together. I would never in a million years take
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  Speaker 3: our children away from each other. They've grown up together,
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  Speaker 3: they love each other. I love them. They're she has
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  Speaker 3: beautiful she has a beautiful family, great kids. They're amazing
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  Speaker 3: and they're my kids, best friends. So it's beautiful to
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  Speaker 3: watch it's cousins. That's something that I knew that regardless
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  Speaker 3: of her and our relationship, I would never take that away.
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  Speaker 3: And so I make sure that it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: sustained and it's nurtured, and I do a good job
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  Speaker 3: with that. So as an auntie and as far as
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  Speaker 3: she and I, I mean, we've always just coexisted. If
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  Speaker 3: we're keeping it a buck a little girls, no no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: no no no. So when hm, So what really happened
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  Speaker 3: is a family matter happened, and it was a nasty one,
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  Speaker 3: and it was something that for me I could say
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  Speaker 3: with her, I'm in a good space today than I
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  Speaker 3: was before because what we had went through is just
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  Speaker 3: not okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what year this founding matter happened?
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  Speaker 3: It happened, Honestly, it happened early. It happened. When I
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  Speaker 3: say early, I mean, shoot, I think I was twenty.
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  Speaker 3: I think I was twenty and I just turned forty.
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  Speaker 1: Five, So twenty five years ago this happened.
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  Speaker 3: So twenty five years ago, maybe even sooner maybe when yeah, twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Five years ago, and ever since then, things have never
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  Speaker 2: been the same, never and it won't ever be the same.
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  Speaker 3: No really, yeah, no, I will always be her sister,
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  Speaker 3: and I will always love her as a sister. Like
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you, you're not gonna come in here
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  Speaker 3: and talk shit about my sister and try to find
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  Speaker 3: my sister. It's still gonna go all the way down.
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  Speaker 3: But when we're in a room, we're good, Like we
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  Speaker 3: don't have no beef, there's no friction. We'll laugh when
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  Speaker 3: you see this. We actually are working on a spin
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  Speaker 3: off from a show, and we'll see what happens. But
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  Speaker 3: I want to keep it a thousand, like I'm yo.
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  Speaker 3: The older I get, the worse my brain to my
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  Speaker 3: mouth comes like whatever, I just say, what go on?
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  Speaker 3: You've always been that woman, though it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to tell the story because when we
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  Speaker 2: were doing The Next fifteen, even prior to that, I've
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  Speaker 2: always been obsessed with you, and I remember telling you
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  Speaker 2: like there is something about your family.
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  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. It's giving me.
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  Speaker 2: Kardashian, one of your brothers who I was able to meet,
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  Speaker 2: is like, y'all think she's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's so hot.
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  Speaker 1: Brother is like so cute, gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen bitches walk in the walls for him.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like them. Yeah, but let's be Claire.
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  Speaker 2: Your mom and dad are five till like nor your
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  Speaker 2: father's like daddy.
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  Speaker 3: So girl still be trying to get him. Yo, he's
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  Speaker 3: so crazy, don't you know?
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  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous my mom. Yeah, and your mom is beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: No, your fact, your whole family's like stunningly gorgeous. So
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  Speaker 2: long story short, I'm telling my friend Laura, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the go I want to do something.
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  Speaker 1: Long story shirt. You probably remember this, maybe you do.
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  Speaker 2: I said I want to do something with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: and you said, okay, let me talk to my sister.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a meeting with me, you and Gloria.
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  Speaker 2: At the the Love's Hotel in Hollywood, and we're in
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  Speaker 2: the lobby. And you've always been a straight shooter. You
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  Speaker 2: are a business woman. You are about like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care what's happening personally. If it's about business, you show up.
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  Speaker 2: Long story, show up. Y'all both showed up. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Gloria and everything she has going
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  Speaker 2: on in her life that we saw on the show.
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  Speaker 2: But in that meeting, I remember thinking to myself, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this dynamic is interesting, and.
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  Speaker 1: I was shocked how quiet Gloria was. I was shocked,
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  Speaker 1: and I think even you were like, say something, We're
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  Speaker 1: in a meeting with a producer.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening? So you talk about being this mama bear.
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  Speaker 2: You had that presence even still. So as you two
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  Speaker 2: are working on this spin off, is it easy or
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  Speaker 2: is it just business?
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  Speaker 3: I would say it's not the I wouldn't use the
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  Speaker 3: word easier. I would use the word mature. I'm very
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  Speaker 3: much more mature. But they're still you know, when it's
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  Speaker 3: a sibling, you still get these butterflies in your stomach
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  Speaker 3: because at any moment for me and my personality, I
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  Speaker 3: don't my takeoff point, and what I mean by takeoff
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  Speaker 3: is when I'm about to take off on somebody is
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  Speaker 3: really short. And the reason why it is because I
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  Speaker 3: immediately I know, we all know what the issue is,
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  Speaker 3: so I immediately get defensive. And then I immediately my
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  Speaker 3: defense is quiet, and you don't want me quiet because
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  Speaker 3: and then it escalades and then it goes into a
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  Speaker 3: space where it's just not healthy for nobody. And it's
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  Speaker 3: not just to say that I'm like this tornado who
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  Speaker 3: comes in, But let's really talk about some shit. If
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk, I don't want to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I find that we bullshit and talk a lot, But
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  Speaker 3: why don't we just address this and knock it out.
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  Speaker 3: I think in family, a lot of people let shit
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  Speaker 3: linger and sweep that shit under the rug. So every
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  Speaker 3: time you're in a family reunion, but then it's just
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  Speaker 3: not comfortable. It's not a good space to be in.
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  Speaker 3: And guess what, we're fucking older now, I got some shit.
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  Speaker 3: I want to tell you, bitch, you're a person on
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  Speaker 3: so many levels. And guess what, it's okay now because
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  Speaker 3: I don't want you today. That's why it makes it okay.
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  Speaker 3: But it also is that. And I told her, I said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I always wanted to get to a space
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  Speaker 3: where my parents are alive. My dad is eighty three,
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  Speaker 3: my mom is seventy three. I'm at a space that
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, God forbid, if they passed away, Oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, I can't even say that without crying. That
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  Speaker 3: I would speak to her. I think I speak to
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  Speaker 3: her because they're alive. And that breaks my heart because
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  Speaker 3: I have two daughters and I couldn't fathom nor imagine
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  Speaker 3: something like that. And here's the other thing. I don't
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  Speaker 3: like it when if you're wrong, just say sorry. Those
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  Speaker 3: words could have cleared up years years, but since you
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  Speaker 3: want to walk around because it becomes a narcissistic thing
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  Speaker 3: where you now because you don't want to take any accountability,
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  Speaker 3: you put the blame and then you act like it's
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  Speaker 3: all okay, Well guess what it's not, bitch, So there
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  Speaker 3: we are.
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  Speaker 1: I would like for you to clear up a rumor. Okay, please,
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  Speaker 1: One thing about you.
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  Speaker 2: You are very protective of people you love, Yes, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it's at the expense of your own reputation. Facts,
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  Speaker 2: there's rumors that there's an athlete that you were accused.
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  Speaker 1: Of being with.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's just come on.
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  Speaker 2: There's rumors that you had sex with Shack. And the
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  Speaker 2: rumor is you never had sex with Shack, but your
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  Speaker 2: sister did, and that you protected her by just allowing
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  Speaker 2: the rumor to be thrown at you.
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  Speaker 3: So here's what I would say about that. Here's what
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  Speaker 3: I want to say about that. I want to clean
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  Speaker 3: up nothing until I talk to Shanni because she is
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  Speaker 3: the one who started all this. So when she's ready
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  Speaker 3: to have a real woman to woman conversation. Then I'll
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  Speaker 3: let that be out whatever it is and whatever happened
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  Speaker 3: and how it and the truth about what really happened
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  Speaker 3: and transpired. But not only are you going to hear
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  Speaker 3: my answer and what the truth is, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: give you some of you too.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by you'll give Shannie some of her?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because she thought that me coming back on Basketball
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  Speaker 3: Wives was gonna be like a oh, Laura's she's ready,
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  Speaker 3: like she's ready to say sorry, and she's ready to
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  Speaker 3: confest like this was her. This is what I feel
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  Speaker 3: like because she had me ambushed. You saw it, everybody
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  Speaker 3: saw it. Every time I went to sit down to
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  Speaker 3: eat to eat before I went like this, they were like,
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  Speaker 3: so let me, we want to just read something from
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't even like Matthew's twenty eighteen. It was like
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  Speaker 3: from her narrating some shit. Well, bitch, I'll show you, okay,
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  Speaker 3: bet So, since you feel like you wanted to vomit
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  Speaker 3: all this shit out without hearing my side, my story,
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  Speaker 3: my truth, this is what you're doing, let me tell
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  Speaker 3: you about you. Since you want to talk about me,
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  Speaker 3: let's just we're gonna keep it a buck a thousand
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  Speaker 3: on A thousand, That's where I'm at.
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  Speaker 2: There's rumors that you have been blocked from being on
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  Speaker 2: Basketball Wives for years because she did not want you
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  Speaker 2: on the show.
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  Speaker 3: So I had we had DMed each other. Shawnie actually
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  Speaker 3: DM me and said that she wanted to clear up
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  Speaker 3: a rumor that she was the reason why I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: on Basketball Wives. But she dmned you whin She DM
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  Speaker 3: me this year in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: she DM me this year, and my response was, I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember their response. I'll pull up a DM sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I'll let you see it. But I just remember being like, yeah, cool,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's what's up. Like because I see her, our
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  Speaker 3: daughters play basketball a lot together. I love I still
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  Speaker 3: I love her children. I see them, I say hi,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I always speak, they always speak, They're always respectful, They're
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: always really nice, never rude, never nothing. And her daughter.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I love her daughter. Sometimes I hear her call me
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Auntie and I'm like, holy shit, you know, And and
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I I take pride in that nothing could happen to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: her babies when I'm in the you know, in present,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and so I had to. We would see each other
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and it was It's never awkward for me and with anybody.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't care, like I'm always gonna be myself.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm always gonna sit on the floor like it is
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: what it is. And so she, you know, I guess
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: she felt some type of way. But yeah, she saw
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: me at an event, and I think cause you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: we were always just be like cordial. There was no beef.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like when she walks past me. You know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: like even today when I see Drea, if you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: oh we want, I want to we want I had
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to bring out. Yeah. But so when it was like
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: when we see each other, it was just a mutual
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: thing like you know, Bygun's by Gun, I don't really
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: care like whatever, so anyw So when we you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: it's a mutual thing. And then on top of that,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the respect out of it. And then when she told
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: me that DM when she DM me that I was good,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, okay, bet so I started.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: The producers reached out. It was a whole process. But
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: producers from before and people from before on the show
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: always told me that the issue was her. Producers, this
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: is not and you know, I know people it was not. Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not getting secondhand bullshit.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't and listen. I want to.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I want to corroborate your story because obviously is my
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: is my genre in which I work. I am very
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: much aware that in order to be on the show
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and listen, she created it, and.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: She didn't create Basketball Wives La. That's not true. She
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: did not. My sister and I started the whole process,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the whole entire process. We are the ones that brought
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the girls to begin with. I remember having breakfast at
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: the Cheesecake Factory trying to bring on Jackie like me
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and my sister brought Basketball Wives La to VH one.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: All the interviews were taken at my house in Arenda
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: in the Bay. This started years ago, and she just
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: had Basketball Wives La. I mean Miami. We had started
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Basketball Wives La. It was a separate entity at first.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And then when we told them, because I told my sister,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not doing this forever because I
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: can't be on here. Like I was just showing up
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: being myself at the time, miserable and crazy. I just
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: wanted I was just like anybody could get it, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a good space for me to be in.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: So and Once I realized that part, I was like, oh,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore. So I pulled out. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: then I'm not even sure if my sister stayed. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: we were going to start our own show. Oh blah
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, and then it just kind of
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: never took off and we just started living our lives.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: But where we are today, it is what it is
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: so like when I show up now and from Oh
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and this is another rumor that I hear so allegedly Gilbert.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: She's talking to Gilbert who is she Shannie all the time,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: allegedly and it was said that now you know, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: come my shit be authentic. I'm not just coming with
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: like bullshit, but I'm gonna say allegedly just to say it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: But they're talking, and what was said was that he
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Gilbert and his new fiance are going to be on
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the show. Only if I'm to be put off.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: When you came back to do basketball lives, were you
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: under the impression that, Okay, SHAWNI dan me, she wants
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to clear the air.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for a scene to me or Shannie
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: couldn't wait.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I was like this every day, like key she walking
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: in any minute, whe's coming. No come? Okay? Back next day?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: No come. I was like, we got two more days
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: of this shit when it's been showing up okay, I
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: was like, what's happening? Where are you at? No show?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So when Evelyn conveniently brought the excerpt of a book
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to an international.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Casture, come on, keep coming.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: In your heart of hearts?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Do you believe Evelyn was sent by Shawnee to bring
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: up the shack thing in order for you to be
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: embarrassed on national television or just that was their way
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of having it addressed.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I think it. I felt it was to be embarrassed.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I felt it was to be ambushed if you were
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: okay for people who just saw it. I was living it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I was in it, and it was an ambush. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: my years previous, that ambush would have been a tornado.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Everybody would have got hands. To date, everybody's gonna get
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: this mouth. That's where I'm at. So when they commenced
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: to doing they little reading at the table and shit,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: no problem, keep it coming, because what you're not gonna
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: do is get them. I'm not gonna I'm older now,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I'm much more mature. I don't do telephone. So I'm
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: not gonna tell you anything, first of all, especially you
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: meaning Evelyn or anybody at that table, what really happened
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: or how it went down. Let me take that back,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: because I actually told Evelyn some shit in the car
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: because I was talking to her. And I like Evelyn,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I love her daughter, I like her a lot from
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: when I would see her. But what I didn't like
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is how messy she made it. You didn't have to
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: do that. You could have been like yo, ell, let
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: me how er at you real quick, because that's where
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I thought we were. Regardless if you're her friend or not,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: you still being a messy bitch is another thing. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: you being a woman and being like yo, her coming
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: at you like that, yeah, I don't really did. But
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: let me give it to you how I'm gonna give
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it to you. You know what I'm saying, Come at
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: me like that, not like here it is. Here's the cookies,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: eat them? Oh yeah, well how about we talk about
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: your cookies too, since you want to be up here
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: talking about who I slept with? Who'd you sleep with?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Since we're talking? But those are things that I'm gonna
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: address with her when I get back on that show,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: since you don't want to do it when I see
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you at Whole Foods, and since you don't want to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: do it when I see you in Porter Ranch anymore,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: since you avoided me at Whole Foods. I saw you
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: doing this behind the clerk at the counter, moving as
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: they moved, as I was trying to move to see you,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: but I had so many eggs. I was actually gonna
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: come over, but I didn't. And it's okay. I think
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: it was for the best. We'll leave it at that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: So you are you Just keep it up. Buck Carlos.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And our fathers. The section she was at, we.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Were both here's what's crazy we and this is a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: real story. Tell me if it ain't, Miss Evelyn. We
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: were both at the line checking out. She's with the person,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I'm with the person. Her person is here, but she's
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: in front. My person is here and I'm in back,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: so we're right. So as I'm going like this, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: could see her moving with the clerk as the clerk,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and I was like, damn, biblehead, say less. But I'll
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: see you. I see you all the time, actually, but
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: usually it's in the current passing. But I'll see you,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and you gonna see me.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: The reason why you're disappointed in Evelyn is because you thought,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: like at least y'all had a respect ball.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: It's a mutual respect, Yeah, a.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Mutual respect of life because your thing is this, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: let's have a real conversation.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Your thing is this.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: You've done reality TV for over at that game. You
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: get the game, you get the gig, you know what
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it is. You knew coming back, y'all gonna talk about
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: some ship.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'm here for it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I'm here for it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm cool with it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: But let's do it civilly because because.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: We have a relationship, Yes, I can see if I
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: was no one knew.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know you from Adams. We need fulfilled
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: because I'm a stranger to you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, for you, it was like I know you, I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: know you, I love your daughter, I love you.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: You may not even be best of friends or friends
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: at all, but just out of a mutual respect, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: see you and I respect. I'm like, yo, it's you.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: A decade in on TV two. You didn't done Hella shows,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: you didn't done health and done hell of shit. You
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: didn't done hell of things that I know for facts,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: So let's just keep it a buck, right, you know
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, respectfully, but then when you do that
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: other dumb shit, that's not okay.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm what okay?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So before I get into what happened afterwards, when I say.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: To you, your response to Ever.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And the girls in regards to the shack rumor in
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: question is number one the most mature, sophisticated. But in
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: your face read that we've seen all year, you didn't
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: raise the beauty of it was. You didn't raise your voice,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you didn't raise an eyebrow, you didn't raise a glass.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And I know you very well. You you were so cool, calm,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: collected one and this is rare.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent of the audience was on your side.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And what was interesting about that moment is if it
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: did not go their way obviously, but it also made
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: people be like, oh, we don't know that, Like no,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: well Laura is saying, it's so godall. And what was
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: so interesting about it is that came off the dome.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a rehearse.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Read yeah no, like like I didn't know none of
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: that was gonna happen. Listen, I always come in with
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: my guard up because of where we are in the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: space where I'm in, right, But I didn't think I
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: was gonna get that, and I was like, come on, y'all,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: this is what we're doing. This is where we're at now. Okay, back,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So as I sat there and listened, and at first
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I was thinking, should I just tell all y'all about
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: yourselves right now? Or should I wait? I wait, but
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you this though it's none of your
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: business and it's not it's just not right. Maybe if
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: we were thirty, give me twenty five, y'all still immature, right,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: But today you know what else? I don't even want
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: to know about. God, I don't even care. Oh on.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Not only that, I don't even care to you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: even if it's my best friend. I'm like, yo, bro,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you want to ask her. I'll stand right next to
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you if anything pop off. But for now, this is
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: not This is not my fight, right like, I'm not
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: and I gotta see this girl shit the next couple
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: days what we're gonna talk about. So they just kept
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: talking about the same thing. Okay, So let me help
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you understand, minions. I don't do that. I don't go
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you guys want to be Shiny's minions. I'm not that
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: this is what we're not gonna do. It was so bad,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: even like for those three days, it felt like I
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: was there for three months. They were the girls. And
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and here's the crazy part. I love Brook I do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I went to her daughter's funeral. We've always communicated dough,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know. And and when I say I love, it's
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: a respect thing that I love about all of them.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I love Brandy. I see her cooking show. I'll be
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: trying to follow her little recipes. You know I do.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: But I don't do anything in malice. My intent is
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: not to harm you in a way of like you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: of aggression and be like like that on purpose. So
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: for you to do that to me on purpose, but
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: put but fight fair, play fair, because you think you
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: read me, wait till it's my turn to read you.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: But play fair and hear me out like I heard
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you out, because you're gonna hear everything I gotta say
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: because if you're running around here, and I mean Evelyn
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: being the spokesperson for Shannie, that's what I didn't appreciate either, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: because we had just had a conversation. And again, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: get what we're doing for TV. We talking about real
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: life shit. This is my real life. I've been dealing
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: with this bullshit, this life forever. So since you think
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: it's funny and a game to you, and it's like
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: after I told you a lot of stuff in the car.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Producers got that tape, they could run it back, right,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: But then you want to sit here and you you
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you number one stunner. Nobody's talking about you, right. What
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: we're doing with the three letter words?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: You?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: The big three? On every level? We got N B A,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: we got NFL, we got MLB, we got R and B,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: we got L m B, we got that's the Latin.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: We got the H O V. You might as well
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: get in your C A R and look away, like
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: what are we doing? The H she riding HOV lane,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? Nobody's talking about you? Play fair,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Let's play fair, right, bitch? You can't name three people
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I slept with four facts.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I can't even I know you we talk, We're you wrong?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: My relationships are long, they're strong. I don't know I
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: can say that, ps ah, but you know what I'm saying, bro,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm good. Listen right, and when I struggle, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: struggle from within. I don't let people know. I just do. Mean,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: people have no idea what I've been through in real life,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: and those who do know pray for me, and they
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: pray for me hard because I have been through a lot.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: You know, life ain't like I've been through depression while
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: being a mom, while having a wake up every single
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: day you have. If I tell you my schedule to date,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you would be like, what, Like it's still to date.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I still struggle with things with my ex. Unwarranted, completely unwarranted,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Like get over it? When do you stop talking about
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: me to my ex? When do you stop? Child?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: We are just getting started. This is reality with the King,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: What is the status of your relationship with your ex husband, Gilbert?
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: So let's clear this up. We were never married and
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: to be before I used to let that slide because
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: we were married by law, because it was the ten
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: year bla blah bla black because we were together for
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: so long. But our relationship today is the same as
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it was twelve years ago. Ten years. Yeah, it's actually
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: gotten worse. I know, That's how I feel.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: How do you think I lived this year because I
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: was there with you while you were dealing with it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, when we take the next fifteen, we literally
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: follow you having to move out of the house in the.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna bring me down and here,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: yeah yes, Oh my god, I remember.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It's worse than that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Why because now he uses the children,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: because now he now he knows how to manipulate it,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: because he can't directly bother me. Right, so he knows
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: how much I love my children. But here's the thing
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: he also knows is that I love my children more
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: than I hate him, So he attacks the motherhood side
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: of it. He's just done a lot. He's done a lot.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: He's the devil, is busy at work, and I fight
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: it every day, and I even it's so bad that
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I had to tell his new fiance, who I like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: to tell him to stop talking.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: About me on his podcast.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Stop talking about me on your podcast in the shower,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: at chair, at the picnics, at the dinners, at the movies,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: in the car, just be quiet, Just leave me alone.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And the one thing I have told my children is
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: we have to get him out of our house so
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: we don't talk about him. There's nothing to talk about,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and now it's our son. Let's talk about our son,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: who's a megabasketball player right in his own right. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: want him to have his own name. I don't want
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: him to be Yes, you'll always be the son of
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Gilbert A. Reinez. I've never been. And this is also
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: something that I feel like. Play fair, Gilbert, playfair. I've
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: always given you the title of fatherhood. I've never taken
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: it away. Even when the judge said that you couldn't
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: have it, I never took it away from you. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: never took it away from you ever. I don't even
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even talk bad about you. Never. I just
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I had nothing to say, and people always to date.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Why don't you tell the truth. Why don't you tell
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: them that he really doesn't work his sons out. Let's
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: talk about who you really are. Since you want to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: talk so much, it's not fair, and it's not. It's
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: hard And people are like, oh my god, it must
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: be so much easier now that they're older. No, for me,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's it's harder because now I have to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: tell the truth before I can mask it. I used
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to tell it's funny that the kids my daughter, she
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: said to me, Now eighteen at Louisville doing amazing. Oh
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: my gosh, she got a full scholarship. One of the
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: top ten players in the country. She's phenomenal. My baby lefty,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I got two lefties. By the way, we'll get into
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the rest. But she is an amazing young woman, amazing.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: And I remember her telling me when she turned eighteen,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: she said, Okay, now that I'm eighteen, you have to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: tell me the truth. Because I always used to tell her,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I'll wait until you get older. I'll wait until you
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: get eighteen, and then I'll tell you the truth. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: she was like, I want to know. And we sat
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: down and we had a lot of cries and a
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: lot of laughs. And I don't share just the bad,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: right because that's not real. There's some good in there.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I have to give them all of it. But at
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: one point, you know her words, I was confusing them
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: because it seemed like, how could he be this person?
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But then you let us go with him. I had
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: to answer to that, and my answer was always, he's.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Your dad, and that's her daughter asking you that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: We got to keep it one hundred. I'm like, yo,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: you're his daughter, and I tell all the kids we
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: gave you in basketball. This is my basketball language. Because
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: oh and that's another thing. Most people don't even know
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I play. I played basketball all my life and I'm
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: actually good, and those who know me no, right. But
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: and there was two years I led the state of
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: California and scoring in high school. I went and played,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I played overseas. I've done a lot of basketball. I've
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: coached on every level basketball coaching. I coach our daughter.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But even like with our son, our oldest son, Gilbert
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: really just came around. I have a trainer that has
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: been with the kids for the last five years, who
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I now call my son. His name is Zach Basara,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: and he's always with my kids. He's with my kids
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: right now as we speak, and he's not just like
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: some babysitter, but they're always in the gym and he
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: trains them, even with Elijah. And the thing that I
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: see that is sad for me to watch. He loves
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: he loves his father. That's not the sad part that
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: he loves his father, But the sad part is now
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: love him now that as a mom, as a mama bear,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: as a as a woman that was with you for
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a really long time. That bothers me when I you know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: it's so crazy about that day that we packed and
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I packed up all my shit. Do you know we
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: slept in the car for two days.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You never told me that why we.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Were in the car for two days. I did not
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: call that one person. I could call anybody to get off.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: No hell staying at somebody's house with my four kids.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: And I was like, nope. You know what I kept
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: saying to myself, I got myself in this mess. I'm
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: gonna get me and my babies out of it. So
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you know what I did. I took all little CDs.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I put him in the player. They were watching Tom
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Hanks all night, John Candy movies, and we drove around.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't I had two hundred and seventy one dollars
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: he left me with and that's what I had. And
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: we had four trash bags and that's all he would
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: let the police, the officer, that's all he let me take.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I remember that party.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he since had given me like an ultimatum,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: you come back, everything would be great. I vowed that
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: day that I would never sleep with him, go back
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: to him. Nothing. It was over because how can you.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I knew that there was a checkout he not even
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: he and I definitely had checked out because we were
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: to fight a couple, right, like we love to fight,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: and then like it was our thing and it kept
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: us together for a really long time. But one day
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I just grew up Carlos and I looked at him
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: and I was like, damn, you're ugly, not even as
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: your face, but you're just an ugly person. I had
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: lost all my friends, well they weren't my friends anyway,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: but I had lost trainers, all off lies.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: They it's because it's a lot. It's because the people
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: go with the person that.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, money, yep.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: And you know what's so crazy about that too, is
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: that with that being said, they knew the struggle. They
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: watched the struggle, and then they were in the struggle
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: with him too because they realized, oh, this is this
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: is the most narcissistic shit I ever. So they went
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: through their own haird trips with him, and then they
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: saw but because he would give one hundred thousand dollars
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars to their foundation to who they
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: so it was he could do it. And here I
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: am offering friendship and realness wasn't enough. So I realized
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: this is why broke.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: People, because they'll do anything.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: They'll do anything to stay on to figure it out.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: So I just don't. It even comes with like people
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: with money too, but not as much. So I just don't.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You know, Look, there's problems in everything right, every stature
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: of every situation. But I'm just not that part of it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I'm just leaving out.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Do you get child support today?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So here's the thing I do. At first, He's always
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: just given me seven thousand a month a month for
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: four kids, even as babies. I couldn't find a rental
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: for less than like five thousand back in the day.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Imagine bills. Imagine this. Oh, I was paying for our
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: daughter's private school. I was paying for our son's private
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: school just for them to stay in it. Our two
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: other kids had to go into something else, into a
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: community a community school, which was fine. They flourished. I
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: made it where it was worth their while. You gonna
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: love this watch. We're gonna have a blast. Don't even
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: worry about it. But my oldest I couldn't take out
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: of school. She had been there for so long, it
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: was all she knew so personality wise, I had to
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: figure it out. I did everything but prostitution to keep
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: them kids where they are today. Everything but and I was.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: On my way.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna honey, and like, well, I'm gona sleep
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: with you, gonna have to pay me. We at this
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: where it's at. But I didn't day for a long
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: time because of that, because I had to dive in.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I had to figure it out. I had to dive in.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I remember that. I was like, you know, if I
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: remember my friend telling me that they made a certain
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: amount at norsetrooms and Niemen's selling shoes. I was like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I could do that. And I'm a I'm a Mexican
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: and Nigerian. I could work. Let's go where we at.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I've worked all my life. Bring it on. So I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: found the things that worked. But then it's like here
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I am having motherhood and then I got this over
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: here trying to he was suing me and taking me
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to court, and oh, let me clear up the court please,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: because he's always saying, how, oh she takes me to court,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: she lost, she lost. That is not how that works, right,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: That's not how our situation worked. Here's how that would work.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: We would go so long in the court, this man
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: would take out tapes and be like, look, you you
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: were sleeping with you didn't get sit down, sit down, clown.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: We would have to carry it the next the next
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: day or whatever day it was that they gave us.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: So we were in court a lot solely because our
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: time ran out in the courtroom of the day that
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: we had scheduled. So it wasn't like we were just
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: going going going. We were, but it was only because
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: you talk so much like be quiet, just and state facts,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: just stay facts. And then on top of that, here's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: my thing with child support. I've never been a girl
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: who buys bags. I get my clothes for free. You do.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I get a lot of my.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Clothes because the impression is this, let's let's talk.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're obviously a ten out of a ten. Your
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: outfits are a twenty out of a ten. So people
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: to seem like, okay, she got the money and all that,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: so how are you able to afford like your luck
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: and everything else.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So a lot of people give me things because they
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: want me to wear their clothes, even with bags those
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: were gifted. So I don't care about clothes. I don't
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: care about things. That's not my thing, right, But like
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I wear trash bag. You ain't gotta know where sh
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: it's from. I've shopped at the goodwill. No, let me
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: tell you something. I wear old shit, new shit. I
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: don't care. I'll make that shit. It's what you wear.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: It's not about what's on, it's how you present it. Right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: You don't even know what's going on with this hair?
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Do shit look good though?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: In my line? Right?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: But I ain't turning the quarter that way or a
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: quarter that But you know what I'm saying, like what
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: we doing right? But that's my point. So it's not
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: about oh, like, oh you're clothes, you're this, No, bro,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I just make shit work, and I do it for
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: the sake of the kids. I go always go back
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: to my kids. I was gonna sell all that shit,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: my jewelry, rolexes, everything. I was saving all that shit
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: for the kids that was gifted to me. I'm not
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: going out buying that shit. I don't shop trendy anyway.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in that. I never have. I'm not
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: showing up with the trendy bag of Louis Vuittone, Gucci.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: All give me something that's worth. If I could sell it,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I can get my money back.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: You're not a label girl, yeah, I'm just not. I've
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: never been.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not Gucci down to the socks. Yeah, I would
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: never write. So that is why when people see me
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: in like, let me tell you today, baby, let me
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: tell you today. My boyfriend pays for our daughter to
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: go to private school. My boyfriend paid for my daughter
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: to get a car. He bought her a brand new car,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: a Tesla. It's nicest. He furnished her entire apartment. He
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: pays for training today. And that is why for a
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: long time I got off Instagram because I was like,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you know what's so crazy is that I took this
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: really pretty picture and I made it look good. I
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: took a makeup off and hair that I had in
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: my head and then closed off because I couldn't wait
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: to be normal. I couldn't wait. I just do it
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: for what it is, right. So I realized that I
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: don't want to play this game anymore. I'm exhausted and
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: try to look pretty for who I'm looking good for
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: this house and these kids be like take that off,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: and my son be like, bro, what are you doing?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Why take them all ugly lashes off them ain't even yours.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: My kids called me all so fast, So I say
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: that to say this, I do it for a moment. Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: it feels good. It feels good to be cute, right,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: But I really like not combing my hair for two days.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna lie to it. Although I do shower,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: but I really like not getting Can.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I ask you because when did things get bad with
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: your ex? Because the think is this, Obviously you guys
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: fell in love, and I'm sure things were great, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: like when did things get bad to the point where
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: it's been like this for day?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Like do you do you do you remember them?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Do something happened to where it's like that is the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: reason why things are horrible even today.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: So my story, I'm sure obviously weever. Mych is right
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: because he has his own feelings and I honor those.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I don't you know whatever you feel like we lived okay,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: because I can't give you what I have right and
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: what I remember and what I know. I was miserable.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I had everything Carlos I had. My closet was phenomenal,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I had beautiful bags, I had jewelry, I had a
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: house on my finger I had. I had everything, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: had cars, I can go get whatever, and I had nothing.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I was so depressed. I was so I was such
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: a happy, sad person and it just wasn't okay because
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I couldn't be I couldn't. I couldn't continue to live
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: life like this life or the lie. I was in
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: a rat race of trying to be in the social life,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: like I was trying to be a mom. And I quit.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, none of this shit matters.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: The only thing that matters are my babies. That's it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: And even then I still felt like I was feeling.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: So it took me to a place of I call
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: it quiet time. I can't be in quiet time anymore,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: so I would talk myself out of quiet time. Quiet
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: time for me is a depression state. And it took
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: away from me because I cooked for my kids every day.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: But it took away from me cooking, It took away
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: from me being out with them. We're outdoorsy. My kids
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: never even had a TV until maybe this year. Never
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: they didn't have TVs in their room. We had two
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: TVs in all our houses and all our homes. And
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: when I say all our homes, because I was moving
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: every year because I had to. I was in a
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: rental every year, and I couldn't get anohing. My credit
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: was so up. My life was in shambles. I was
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: writing from friends who had properties that they could just
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: loan me, like rent out to me with my babies.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I remember there were times when I could I had
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: to figure out if I had to get I was like, bro, okay,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: if I get I got one hundred dollars, I'm gonna
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: do fifty on food for what we're gonna eat for
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like two days, and I'm gonna do fifty on gas.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: This is real life shit. I remember going to court
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: on an emergency hearing and the judge this little white lady,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and she said to him, you're a bad man. And
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I thought to myself, I'm never gonna win. My kids
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: are never gonna win, and I'm not gonna allow these
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: the state and people who are up there judging me,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: because they were just sitting there judging, looking looking at us,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: like these two they're thinking that, oh, she's just getting
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: money somehow. I'm like, bro, I'm trying to feed my kids.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: This is a this is my real life. So while
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you up there, you get to go home to your
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: pretty little home. I'm trying to figure out where we're
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: gonna sleep tonight. That was real shit for me. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: so those are the things that bother me when he
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: still comes for me to date, leave me alone. And
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: that's why I thought, Okay, if I don't say anything,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: if I just stay quiet, because I don't say anything,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: if I he'll he'll go away. He ain't going away. God, damn,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: aren't you tired? When do you run out of things
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to say? I'm like, damn, I mean, you gonna talk
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: about the same shit, and then just recently you make
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: fun of having to pay me from the seven thousand,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: the day our daughter turned eighteen. Let's talk about real
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: life shit. Let's talk about the fact that not only
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: did you do that, you bumped it to six six
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: thousand and immediately was doing shit immediately and then has
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and then makes fun. Buys them all these lavish things, right,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: but things that aren't needed for them. They don't need chains.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: My side had a chain with diamonds and we doing
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: how about you pay for his school? How about that?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: How about you not buy them a go cart? About
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: how about you buy them shoes? It's not fair play. Fair.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because it's really about the children.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: He keeps talking about nil and oh all she wants
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: is nil deals for our son. No, baby, I did
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: one nil, a multimillion dollar deal in nil. You're giving
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: him infomercials with free water for free because it only
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: benefits you. That don't benefit my son. I'm trying to
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: make sure he's good for the rest of his life.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Right this say mean I gave birth to him. I
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: gave him the nuts he has, right, I gave him
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the face he has. We gave him the DNA, which
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: I just said. I I always tell him, I can't
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: give you the heart. You gotta do everything else on
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: your own. But I'm gonna show you the way I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: gonna teach you. Right. I educate them on finances. I've
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: learned so much in the last few years about finance.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I teach him about real life. We have real life
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: conversations because I want a good family. I want a
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: good structure. I want to get home and I want
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: them to be able to come home without malage, feeling
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: some type of way. Do you know what my kids
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: have to do living? They damn there live two different lives.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: But they barely say him, and when they do, I
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: get the whole Daddy. You know that's my dad, Like
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: it's so, I never take it away. Play fair, play fair.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I have not done that much to you that you
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: just keep going. And since you want to keep talking
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: with him too, you want to keep talking about the
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Shaquille shit. You turn around, you tell all these people
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: that he meets people in other countries, telling them that
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I slept with their husbands. Let's clean up the Tamar rumor.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Let's go there that I slept with Vince. What we're doing?
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: You meet up with her?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: How about all came about?
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: That's how that all happened. First of all, I don't
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: even know him like that. I was at the montage.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I guess apparently he was at the montage. I shown him. Okay,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: so if we're going to talk about some shit, let's
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: really talk about some shit, right. So, since you want
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: to talk to Shannie about Shaquille and all this and that,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting because as soon as that stuff happened,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: I remember you coming home, racing home to have sex
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: with me and tell me how much you love me.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: And you didn't even believe that because you knew the truth,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: but since you want to be so childish like the
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: rest and jump on bandwagons. But do you know what
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I mean bandwagons? I could jump on you know what
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I mean? People I could talk to and tell and
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: tell a real story about real life who you were
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: and the things you did to me. But I just
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: don't because guess what I want to get over this?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: This is not it like bruh, I do not want
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: to talk about you, and I don't.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: No, you really don't even on the show. You never
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: really did.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: And since we're clear things up, there's this rumor that
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Drea slept with your acts with Gilbert, and Gilbert said
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: on his podcast, I believe he was with Nick Young.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Did you see that story where he pretty much talked
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: about what Drea was doing the backseat and all that stuff.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: We have to say to that about you, Drea and
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: the Gilbert thing.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: So here's what I would say about that. Let me
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: clean that up, because people were like, oh my god,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Lord's just a bully even ten years ago, like, oh,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: she's a bully, she's bullying her. So Gilbert told me
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: that story about Drea. He had a lot to say,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And I remember in the context, I think we had
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: broken up, and he was like, well, this is what
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I did, right, Like, I messed with this girl from
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Philly and it was this this, and that she only
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: in the car and blah blah blah. One must well
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: say that besides I'm young. I'm like, we're young, you know.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, we were we weren't together. What do
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: you want me to say. I'm not gonna tell you
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: what I was. Okay, Well that's what we're doing, okay.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: And so at the time they brought her on Basketball Wives,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Dre was brought on Basketball Wives as a friend. If
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken to my sister, I remember if that
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: was it. And guess what. I liked her because I
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, I like this chick, Like she's
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: how cool? She funny. I had no idea that she
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: was there being Gilbert's jump off. I had no idea.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: So then when I found out it was when I
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: was going through some papers at the house and I
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: saw that he had given her twenty five thousand dollars
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: and brought her to La. Let me tell you what
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I did, Miss Laura Govan, the bad girl at the time, rightfully,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: So you tell me if you think I'm you know
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: I love you.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you don't care anyway.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: I remember finding the paper. I remember calling my friend
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: and telling her to pick up the kids for me
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: because she was on the emergency. I remember that, and
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I remember going to where she was filming here in Hollywood,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: down the street. I remember showing up and I was
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be filming, and I walked past everybody
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: and I beat her and it did not air. They
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: did not want that to air.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: You beat up.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I beat Andrea. I think if I picked her up
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: by her collar bone and threw her and then I
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: spit on her and I was trying to get to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: her even after that. Am I proud of those things?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. But what you're not gonna do is be
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: my friend. Don't be in my face. And from what
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I heard you was the time. So I'm like, what
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: am I supposed to do with this? You helped me
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: help you? Where am I? Where were we supposed to
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: go with this? Because everything at the time I told you,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: anybody could get it. We don't. Ever, I never have
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: a problem too. We have a problem. We got a problem,
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: and you're in my face though and I was her friend.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like back, you know, she used to do my
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: quotes on my Instagram and tweets. She used to be like, no, no, no,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: take that off, do this. I liked her, so you
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: do me like this. I'm gonna do you like that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, while Drea and you were on the
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: show together, and y'all were developing this friendship, and she's
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: in your face, y'all coolest shit all the while she
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is sleeping with your man facts, knowing that that's your
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: man facts.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: And so what am I supposed to do with this
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: besides beat you up? At the time, I didn't know
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: how to use my words. I just knew how to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: use hands. You're gonna get them, and I gave them
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: and it was not good. And I remember the producers
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: they all dropped they shit and was just like yo, Loura.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: It took like four people to get me off of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: her grown ass men, and I just showed up. I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: think I had on. I think I had on chunk class.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't. I wasn't even there for the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: party I came out. I don't even know what my hair.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't even I don't know I don't even remember.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I know, I know it wasn't right. I didn't even
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: have on make I didn't get I remember I parked
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: in the front, double parked. It just hopped out, hopped out,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: and I didn't even ask where she was. I just
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: went around looking for her because I didn't want nobody
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: to say nothing to me. Nobody's gonna stop this from
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: what's happening. Nobody, not even you, sir.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: No. So what happened after that, in terms of you
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and I hear.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: They kept her away from me. They kept her away
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: from me.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Was there ever a woman to a woman talk where
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: she apologized to you, admitted to it.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I saw her at Jamie fox house at an event
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: that I threw at his house and shout out to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Jamie Fox. Jamie really really helped me. There were two people.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: We're gonna get back to this story, but there were
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: two people who really really helped me. Three people, four people.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Tory Hart mm hmm.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I love her. She's a sweetheart.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Tory Heart. Lorna Kyle Cedric, the entertainer's wife. I'm talking
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: about my best friends today. Marie from my spin class.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: She's my teacher Voltage. She used to have prayer sessions
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: with me and Jamie. Now I've known Eric I'm calling
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: by his government name for a long time. I met
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: him in Oakland. He was doing a paramount show. He's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: always been in our family somehow, always close, and I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: remember him helping me without saying anything, and he just knew.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: He was like, yo, if you ever need anything, you
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: can always throw events at my house. And at the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: time I didn't understand. But one day it clicked and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I would throw events at his house like and I did.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: The only thing we would do is like studios. So
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: we would do screenings, movie screenings at his home and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: he would let me use it. Now he'd give me
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: the check. So because I was hurt, I was hurting,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: like with these kids, I was hurting. My daughter school
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: at the time was like crazy, like it was a lot.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: But back to the Drea thing. She showed up at
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: the event and I remember her walking. She saw me walking.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: We were walking on the same side, and I remember
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: her going like this all the way around and her
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: little friends. I saw them all just like and they
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: were like, oh shit, Carlos. Anytime I saw her, she
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: was gonna get it. Anytime. Grocery store Church, she was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: getting it. My feelings were so hurt because you were
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: my friends. So when it looked like on the reunion
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: we were bullying her, there was a lot that was
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: said that wasn't aired, and I was like, why are
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: y'all doing this? Why aren't y'all telling the truth? Basketball
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: wives also has their own story that they want to tell.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: So that's why I'm really also careful how I use
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: my words right, like you know TV. Like That's another
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: reason why even with Shani, when I tell my story
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: and when I tell your story, is it going to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: be aired? I gotta I gotta go do the work
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: and tell the truth, like what we're doing? Play fair?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: You want to talk about my shit, let's talk about
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: your shit? What are supposed to do?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: So tell this day? Would you? What do you think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: about her? Would you?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: So? Let me tell you something I really actually like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: about Drea. I love her hustle and you know what,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I like that she turned around her whoism to make
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: it work for her. She's still a hoe, but I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: like it. I respect it respectfully. I love it. Not
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: to say that girls should go out and be a hoe.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying I'm saying for her and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: her situation and how she still keeps it going. What
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do, I'm not gonna stop you from doing you,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: but I respect it like I'm not should if I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: what the had, I knew the shit she done, even
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: with her having a baby. With the baby, be right, listen,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: it takes two although regardless of what he knows and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: what he's doing, although she knows what she got and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: what she's doing, none of my business. That's a conversation
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: you have with him, not with the world, right, none
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: of my business. So again do I respect that? No,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I'm a mom. So if I see my son forty
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: year old and having a baby with her and then
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: having to take care of her, that's not gonna sit
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: well with me. But here's my other thing, and I've
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: discussed this with my children. You have plan B at
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: the store, and I have planed C at home.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: What's planning to at home?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: None of your business, Carlos.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: It just hit me because earlier you said thank God
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: for my son's girlfriend.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I like her, and I do like her, no at all. No,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I'd say to.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: You, I now get it, because unfortunately you could you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: could have somebody in their forties try to date your side.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I've had somebody in their thirties try to date my
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: seventeen year old son.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I've seen grown men and grown women do some weirdo shit,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: some weird shit, brom But let me say this though.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. In her defense, As you get older
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: and we're older, right, even if you're twenty year old,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: that shit kind of I would assume it'll make you
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: feel good. You know, I don't plan on it, and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: so I just feel like it gives you an ego,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: like oh shit, you know what I'm saying, Like I
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: still got it, got it, I still got it, and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: she do. I remember when she got her body done.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I got my body done. I remember. I tell people
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: all the time, and I talk about it. I've done
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: nothing to my face. And I say yet because I
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: know at some point I hear you.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Don't that's out now. I'm your friend. Look, look, it's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: just the look. Please please please, I want listen.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Your face card is American Express Platinum Edition.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: You say it, They're gonna be like.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Whether or not translate on TV.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Listen, I'm telling you in person, I'm really pretty right, your.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Fact, true story. Listen, this is so like doesn't matter.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I was meeting her outside to bring her in and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of Hollywood Boulevard like this, where
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: is she? I see this beautiful warm man from a distance.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this beautiful? Is she lat Tina? Like?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: This woman? Is that breed from selling sus like?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I kept like thinking, and she said to me, why
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: are you staring at me? I'm like, no, do not
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: touch your face.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I want I want butt. Okay, one day, not today,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: no time, but one day I know something gonna happen.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: But in the mean time, I've had a Mimi makeover.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I talk about it all the time, and then people
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: always ask me like, oh, somebody asked me recently if
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I've done ozempic and I was like, you know, I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: have not. But let me say this because I always
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: anytime anybody asked me about weight, I always I have
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: to give them the truth, right, my truth, which is
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a stress weight person. Right. So I've always been
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: small always, I've always had a tiny, strong body. I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: don't know why I'm so strong. Legs arms connect, you know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: because when people hit you gotta anyway okay, but I'm
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: very I'm really strong, right, So it's when I tell
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: people about the weight, I'm like, yo, Honestly, if I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: don't eat for five days, which is just fasting, just
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: fast for me, I get rid of all the shit,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: my body, my blood, everything right, and I do certain
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: things but it works for me. But what works for
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: me is not going to work for you. So I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: can't help. I can't. It's like so even Ozimbic. First
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: of all, I'm not doing nothing. I don't know how
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: to spell like that. Oh and the Z and I don't.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, It's just I know some people
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: who need it, but I don't. I haven't. Listen, we have,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: I ain't had that conversation with him anyway. I say
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: that to say this though, at the end of the day,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: what works for me doesn't work for you, So I can't.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: So I don't preach that to people. You know what
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: So, so listen, in this new stage in your life,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: you have a new man.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Is the athlete?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: No, okay, there's nothing wrong with athletes. No, no, no, And
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: I just can't go back into that life. And here's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: the other thing. I think all athletes get bad raps too,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: because all are not the same. They're just not everybody
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: has a problem. Okay, I got five brothers. I've seen
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of shit, right, just based off normal life,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: normal job, normal everybody gets their own shit. It's just
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: that do you want to do shit with And I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: tell my daughters this, do you want to have problems
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: with money? Or do you want to have problems broke?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: And that's not to say for the man, but that's just.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: For them, because there's a difference between problems and rich problems.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: And I told and I choose my daughters how to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: get money. The one thing that is Oakland in me
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: is hustle. We could get down on some hustle. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: that's with jobs. That's with being smart. That's what businesses,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: that's what being an entrepreneur. That's just with just thinking
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: like there's always money to be made. One thing I've
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: never worried about, although I was struggling at a for
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: some time because I was immature and I couldn't figure
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: it out. I couldn't. I just didn't open my mind
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: to things, and I struggled. But once I started to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: process that, you know, there was even a time that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: I thought that I would get back with him, although
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I knew, I was like, in my heart of heart,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: I'm never going to I still was accepting it, going
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: to go back, because I was broke, broke with these kids,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: and I was like, damn, life is easier with him
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: in it. It was easier with the rich problems. But
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: the problems that I had with the rich guy were
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: it was it was too much for me as a person.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: I just I just it wasn't in me. Maybe if
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: we didn't have kids, I could still sustain it, but
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I was getting drained and pull everybody was suck it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: He's the kids him. It was just a lot. I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: couldn't do it. I was like, brother, so no.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're happy.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'm really happy.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Last question, everybody wants to know this. Yes, will you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: be feature on the upcoming season of Basketball Wives?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: I think so. Regardless of what you say, I think so. Sorry.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: That's a direct message. Thanks Lord Govon. You are still legendary.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: You have always been legendary, and I'm so happy you're
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: able to let the world know the real you.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: And the words of the world. Welcome back, bitch, say
• 1:12:32
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• 1:12:37
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