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My Journey As Neurodivergent · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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Hello everyone and welcome to Chatting with the Experts, the show where I speak
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with amazing women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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These women are professionals and or successful entrepreneurs, and they
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share my mission, which is to educate, empower, and inspire women globally.
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Today our show is called How Autism and ADHD Made Sense . I'll
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tell you a bit about my guest who will be joining me in a minute.
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She was diagnosed with autism and ADHD at the age of 49.
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And in this episode she's gonna reflect on growing up in a neural divergent
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family, raising an autistic son and building a career that honors her wiring.
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And understanding her own self, her mind brought clarity, confidence
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and leadership purpose to her life.
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She's a speaker, she's a leadership coach and a TEDx storyteller who helps
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people lead with confidence, clarity, and authenticity, and has built
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her career through a series of bold pivots, beginning as an award-winning
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actress, rising to managing director in corporate finance and eventually
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launching her own leadership development company called Elias Presence Ventures.
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And with that, I welcome Naeemah Elias to the show.
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Hello.
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Good morning.
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As I told you offline, when I read your bio, I was like, wow, I'm
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privileged to be speaking with you.
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Hahaha.
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Yeah.
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Thank you for saying yes.
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This is such an impressive bio, but is there anything that I left out that
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you would like me to touch on that I omitted, forgot didn't elaborate on?
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I'm a mom of three.
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And that sort of threads through everything I do and how I think about
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my life and how I approach my work.
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And I've learned a lot through parenting to help me with my leadership journey,
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my management journey, and a lot of different things in my life and even my
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autism story, and we can talk about that.
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Like getting to my own diagnosis for autism and for ADHD came
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through my journey with my children.
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So they are center focused in my life at all times.
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Yeah.
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Well that's, I really do wanna touch on that, on why did you decide to
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seek, you know, an assessment of autism and ADHD at the age of 49?
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You know, that's significant.
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Yeah.
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So it's something that I had been thinking about.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think, you know, when I think about like my childhood
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journey, I was a weird kid, right?
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My whole life, everybody always just said, well, you know,
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Naeemah is a little bit weird.
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We just sort of accept that Naeemah is a little different.
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And I think I got used to being weird, right?
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And then as we went through the journey with my children and all three of them
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are neurodiverse in some way, I started to notice how I was able to communicate with
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my son in ways that his teachers couldn't.
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I was able to help him to understand things when he couldn't get it
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from, you know, from his teachers.
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At some point, it just occurred to me.
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I'm like, well, what if my brain works the same way that his does?
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Mm-hmm.
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So I got myself on a list and I was on the list.
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I was on a few do lists for about a year and a half, and I think it's really hard
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as an adult to find an assessment, right?
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I think most places are interested in studying children and, you know,
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our generation, I'm a Gen Xer.
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We didn't have this right?
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Like this wasn't part of our childhood experience.
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I think I started to be aware of ADD when I was in high school and
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they were looking at little kids.
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And so for me, like it wasn't a part of my childhood journey
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'cause it wasn't really possible.
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And so then I finally had a conversation with a friend and she mentioned that
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she had just gotten her diagnosis and that she'd found an organization
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that specifically focused on adults.
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And I was like, okay, this is it.
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Like I'm doing it.
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Like, let's make it happen.
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And so finally, you know, got the diagnosis and there were no surprises.
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Right?
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What was interesting was the language and beginning to understand like where my
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challenges are and where I need support.
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And I think for most of it, I kind of knew.
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I just felt like this part's really hard and so getting some clarity
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on that, getting some language around that was really vital.
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But really again, it came through my kids, it came through
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understanding their experience and then starting to question my own.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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And I'm happy that, you know, you're able to, as you say, have the
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conversations with your children, with your son in particular, that the
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teachers couldn't and then you know, understanding him helped you to understand
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even yourself and your childhood.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, but through that discovery, is there any way that you can see that
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it's connected in, you know, you're an actress, you're a TEDx speaker.
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How has that now raveled into or unraveled to do that.
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Oh, that's why I've, you know, I've been successful at certain things
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like acting in the corporate world, in leadership and now entrepreneurship.
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So I, I am really, really good at masking.
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Mm.
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I'm really good at performing.
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Mm.
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At the age of around eight, I started performing.
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I started pretending.
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I learned that if I wanted to feel safe, then I needed to be
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what other people needed me to be.
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So learning really early, how do I behave so people don't get mad at me?
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Mm-hmm.
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How do I behave so that people feel like I'm, you know, normal.
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Mm-hmm.
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That was a through line in how I interacted in the world.
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Mm-hmm.
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So really, really young I started figuring out how to pretend.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then I discovered theater and this was a space where I
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really kind of honed that craft.
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And so I think I was really successful.
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Or you know, more successful than a lot of other folks at masking,
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because I had the theater training to kind of help me to do that.
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And I had a driver, like the internal driver was the safety right?
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Feeling like I needed to get this right, if I wanted to be safe.
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And so that fire made me much more intentional about getting that right.
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So then jump forward into my adult life, at this point I've been masking for years.
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I had been, we moved around a lot when I was a kid, and so I had to
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learn how to step into new spaces and build a persona and create safety and
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create relationships really quickly.
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And so I'm great at jumping into new things and creating what
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this particular situation needs.
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And then you, you know, you look at me climbing the corporate ladder.
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Well, I was, I think better able to figure out how do I behave
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in each one of these situations?
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How do I behave in this environment?
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How do I deal with this manager?
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Mm-hmm.
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All of those things, because I had been masking and I had been learning how to
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understand people and figure out what they needed from a very early age.
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So I think it was really helpful for me playing through right
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in every step of the way.
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And the theater supported it, but then maybe I also had a little bit more
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of a natural inclination towards it.
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So it was cyclical, right?
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And you know, and then now you know, here we are.
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Right?
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So I've done a lot of leadership training.
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I've trained people on how to navigate spaces, but that training
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comes from all of my years of having to figure that out myself.
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And so boiling things down to rules and tips and tricks and like, what's the
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quick, like efficient way to get to the best possible outcome, all of those things
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mean that I have a different perspective on how I interact in the world and I can
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help other people to kinda shift their perspective and navigate in similar ways.
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You know, Naeemah, I love what you're saying and I, it's also because
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that's something, I mean talking about and even pondering on, you
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know, that no journey's ever wasted.
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Like I'm listening to you saying that you as a child, you moved many places,
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you had to adapt and, you know, get familiar, look at the situation, the
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new environment, and adapt accordingly.
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And that's my story too, and I didn't like it.
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And from listening to you, and one of the threads that we're running through
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your recounting your childhood is that that safety, you know, wanting to feel
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safe, learning to mask and I guess during your childhood, that childhood
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period, you didn't like it, but it has come into, you know, come to be helpful
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to you and to others because now you can help others, you know, navigate the
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corporate world because you understand, you're able to assess the situation very
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quickly and come up with quick tips.
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So in some ways it's been an advantage, even though it has been hard.
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That's right.
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And there are challenges to it as well.
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I spent some time with my family last week and we were talking about this, right?
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We were talking about like what it means to have moved around so much.
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And our collective superpower for all of us is that we're really good at
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stepping into new environments and establishing ourselves really quickly.
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What we're not good at is maintaining relationships, right?
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What we're not good at is that through line, that long term, that
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maintenance over long periods of time.
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It just wasn't part of our foundation.
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We moved so often that you didn't have to learn how to keep a relationship
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going for more than a couple of years, because you're gonna have to go make a
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whole new group of friends and you're maybe never gonna see those people again.
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Mm-hmm.
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And in my adult life, I changed jobs every year and a half to two years.
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And so I was constantly moving around and for part of that time, you know,
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13 years I spent at one company.
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Mm-hmm.
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So while I moved around, you know, jobs every year and a half in that company.
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I was in the same company, and so a lot of those relationships I was able to
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maintain throughout the time, even if I didn't work with the people day to day.
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But the same thing happened that happens whenever I leave a company,
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and that was when I left it.
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It was a lot harder to maintain those relationships because I
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didn't have the built in day-to-day.
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That I had when I was at the company.
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And so what that translates to, you know, as I get a better understanding
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of how my brain works, is that I have a deficit in object permanence.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so for little kids, if you cover their eyes, they think you've gone.
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Yes.
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Right?
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They can't see you.
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They don't know that you're still there.
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And that's why Peekaboo is such a fun game for little kids.
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Mm-hmm.
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When you take your hand away from their eyes and they can see you, it's like
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you appeared and it's kind of magical.
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Well, imagine having a little bit of that left in you as an adult.
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Mm-hmm.
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Where the object permanence, it exists when the person is in front of you,
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but you don't necessarily, like, you're not thinking about them in the same
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way when they're not in front of you.
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So that becomes really challenging for maintaining friendships,
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maintaining relationships and it's not intentional, right?
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Like, and that's the thing that's been a challenge for me, is that
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I think people get offended.
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They get really upset because I don't do a great job of, you know, of maintenance,
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but it's not an intentional thing.
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It's a side effect of how my brain works in the world.
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Yes.
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And I get it because...
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mm-hmm.
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In a way, I'm similar to you in that, like, I've moved quite often and it
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is not that I forget my friends, but I don't need, like, I have a niece
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who's like, auntie, don't you wanna just, you know, go back or don't you
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want to go out and make new friends?
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And I'm like, you know, actually I'm peaceful where I am, you know?
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Yes.
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And I'm okay where I am.
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But as talking with you as I talk with you, I mean, I'm recognizing
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some things in myself too, you know, in the sense that, yeah.
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I keep in touch, but at the same time, I don't hold on to things for too long.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm very adaptable and as I've told my family, I can live anywhere.
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Yeah.
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But that took years to understand and be comfortable in that space, you know?
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Yeah.
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So, wow.
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So everything else in life, there are pros and cons and the pros
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in some way has worked for you.
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It has enabled you to help others to, you know, move up the
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corporate ladder to... your acting.
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It came, it was almost like it was a innate because you didn't have
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to really put on too much or learn too hard or work too hard at it.
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You worked at it, but it was innate.
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'cause you developed it over the years, you know?
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So about what about some of your other family members?
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I mean, have they also had similar experiences to you?
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Because I was saying to actually I was talking to my children and saying
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it took me years to realize that the family I grew up with, everybody looked
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at their parents in a different way, even though we had the same parents.
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Yeah.
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But our experiences were different.
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Did you find the same thing with your family?
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Oh, absolutely.
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So I have five siblings and...
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Like me.
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Yeah.
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And one of the things I think we realized after my father's
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funeral, we were all together having lunch, talking, sharing stories.
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And I think that was the point that we realized that we each had a different
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relationship with him and he had shared different stories with each person.
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So when we started to share stories, we realized that we each had a different
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aspect of his life and we're like, we at some point need to put all this
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together and tell this story because he had such a rich life and he shared
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different pieces of it with each of us.
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I think my father had a whole journey with mental illness and with addiction,
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and so depending on birth order, you got to see different pieces of that.
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I think my older siblings from his first two marriages saw a very
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different person and by the time he found my mom he had settled.
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He had become the adult that he was aspiring to be.
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And so they got a child, they got an evolving person, not a fully formed adult.
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And my mom got the fully formed adult.
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And so we had a very different experience than our older siblings
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did you know, with our dad.
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But we did see sort of the tail end of him really settling early in my childhood.
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And then we also saw how he began to lose, you know, unravel and lose
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the, you know, the connection to his sobriety and his sort of ownership of
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his sanity as his life wore on, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So we had a sweet spot.
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And so there's six kids.
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My mom's six kids.
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And the oldest and the youngest I think had different experiences with my dad
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than the four of us in the center.
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We also, I think all have our own varying degrees of challenge with, you know,
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physical and mental, you know, illnesses.
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So I have one brother who has ADHD just like off the charts
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and as kids, it was really fun.
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He was the one that.
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Would bring really interesting chaos and we'd have great adventures together.
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Okay.
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And as an adult, I imagine that it's really challenging for him
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because he needs to be steady.
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He is a father and a husband, and a businessman, and it's necessary for him
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to maintain a steady center in order to be able to provide for his family, be
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a good husband, and be the person that he needs to lead, be in his family.
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And so I think he has a lot of, you know, a lot more challenges with that.
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I have another brother that really kind of struggles with depression and that's,
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you know, really difficult for him.
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And so I would say, you know, when we sit and we talk about it and we think about
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it, it is hereditary and we've got mental illness challenges throughout our family
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and I've dealt with a lot of different things over the course of my life.
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And I have been, you know, my choice was to not be medicated and I made
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that choice really young and I studied behavioral psychology and I learned
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how to use behavioral tools to manage my energy and then more recently I've
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learned about food and how food affects my energy, my mood, my psychology.
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And so when I am fueling my body properly, I'm healthier mentally and physically.
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And when I'm eating junk, I spiral.
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Yes.
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Right?
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And so I think we're all on our own journeys of figuring out how do we manage
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the various different challenges in the, you know, in the deck that we've
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been dealt and we talk openly about it.
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That's really important.
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We share our experiences with each other and our challenges with each other.
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We go to each other for guidance and for feedback as we are figuring
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things out and we are close enough.
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And trust each other enough that we give like the hard feedback, right?
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Like I have one brother who he'll say to me occasionally, you go dark.
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And I'm reminded that, you know, when I'm in the world, part of my mask is
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that I need to bring positive energy.
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Mm-hmm.
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And not that I'm a negative person, but I bring positive energy.
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I think that that's important.
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I think when I share positive energy, then I receive positive energy, and
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that's really strong and helpful for me.
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Mm-hmm.
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But when I'm in a safe space, hanging out with my siblings,
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talking about our childhood, talking about things, you know, that have
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happened, I've got some dark memories.
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I've got some sad memories.
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I've got some relationships that feel, you know, really negative.
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Really?
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Yes.
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And so he'll say to me, you know, you always go dark.
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Like keep it light.
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Keep it light.
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But there are spaces where you talk about the things that are
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a little bit more difficult and family tends to be that space.
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And so he gets a little bit of a darker side of me than
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the rest of the world gets.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I could understand that.
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'cause as you say, it's a safe space.
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So you let down the mask and you're you.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
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And so, listening to you, it seems like, these experiences have helped you,
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like, as you said, when you're in the world helped you kind master your way or
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navigate your way through the world as a leader, as a coach, and even as a parent.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So, whoa.
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I know you're a TEDx speaker.
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Yes.
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Before we round up, just tell us a little about how did you get
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into that space, because that's.
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Yeah.
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One of the things that I realized a while ago that I do is that
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I declare something, right?
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I decide on a goal or, and sometimes it's even a whim, right?
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And I'll just say it out loud like, I'm gonna do this.
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Mm-hmm.
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And then once I say it, I create accountability.
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Both self-accountability, but also accountability because somebody else
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is like, Hey, have you done that yet?
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Mm-hmm.
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You said you were gonna do that.
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Like, it's that happening.
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And so I create this space of both myself and other people checking
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in and saying, did this happen yet?
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Because I've said it out loud.
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And the TEDx is one of those things.
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Mm-hmm.
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I started thinking about it, it was kind of back of mind.
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I did a like this upgrade your life in business challenge.
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And one of the things that they asked us in the program was,
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what are your goals for 2025?
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Right?
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Like, what are the things that you're going to accomplish?
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And one of mine was, I just said, I'm gonna do a TEDx.
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And then once I, it just came out and I didn't realize I was thinking about it.
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I didn't realize it was a goal, I just said it.
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And maybe people had mentioned to me, oh, you should do a TED Talk and you
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know, and I'm like, ah, I don't know.
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We'll see.
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Right?
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And then once I said it, it started to feel like a real thing.
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And then I did a goal setting program and in the goal setting program,
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again, they were asking like, what are you gonna accomplish next year?
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And I said, I'm gonna do a TEDx.
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So I did some research.
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I went to the TED site and I did research into all of the TED organizations
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around me, which were the ones that I could get to really easily, and that
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was important because my assumption was that there was a physical component
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that I was gonna have to go to, like a weekly rehearsal or something.
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And so I found the ones around me.
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I went to all of their websites and I signed up for their
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newsletters and then that was it.
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I was like, okay, I've done that and now, you know, we'll figure it out from here.
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And then the first one happened and they sent me the application link.
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And I thought about it and I thought about it, and I went in and here what's
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funny, I went in and I looked at the first two questions and it was a form.
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So there were questions on multiple pages, but I didn't realize that.
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So I looked at the first two questions and then I sat and I spent some time
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with it, and I wrote my concept and I, and my concept was around this
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idea of thriving as an outsider and I didn't talk about the outsider concept
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through the lens of neurodivergence because I wasn't there yet.
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Mm-hmm.
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At that point, I was just thinking about all of the spaces in the world
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that I've occupied as an outsider, and what that means for me in terms of how
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I show up in the world, but also what it means in terms of lessons for how
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other people can show up in the world.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I really like workshops.
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The answer to this question, I sent it out for feedback and
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got really intentional about it.
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And then about two hours before the deadline I was like,
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oh, I gotta get this done.
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Oh my gosh.
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ADHD like it I need the deadline.
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And so I sat down and I put that answer in and I was like, okay, I'm gonna be good.
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And then I go to the next page and there's four more questions.
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Oh, no.
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So these questions got no workshopping, no outside feedback, anything.
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It was just this intense focused like, how do I want to answer these questions?
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What does this mean to me?
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And I just, you know, I got through them and submitted the application
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literally two minutes before it was done.
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Are you serious?
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And this is, you know, I had an hour long hour and a half long
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workshop on thriving as an outsider.
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I had been talking about it in the world.
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I had been coaching about it.
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So it wasn't like the content was new.
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Okay.
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But I definitely had to just like rapid fire, like organize it in a way
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to be able to answer these questions.
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So, got that done, got it submitted, and then and then I got an email.
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About a month and a half later saying that I had made it through the first round.
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And the next step for this application process was that they wanted us to
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do like a movie trailer style video.
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And so we were supposed to do, I think it was like a two to three minute video
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where we kind of jumped through some segments of what we wanted our talk to be.
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And so that meant thinking about now, what does it look like?
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Sort of beginning, middle, and end?
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What are some of the lessons that I think I want people to learn?
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How do I think it closes?
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That kind of thing.
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And again, last day, so I had written the script and workshop the script and
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thought about what I wanted to be, and on the final day, I got up that morning
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and did a bunch of recording, right?
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All the different pieces of it repeatedly, and I said, okay, I'm ready for this.
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And then I went out and like did a movie marathon with a girlfriend.
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Okay.
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So now again, 10:00 PM and the deadline is midnight.
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I've gotta edit this.
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And I had to figure out some editing techniques and there were some
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things that weren't working, and of course, technical difficulties.
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Tell me about it.
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And finally got it done and didn't process that it was gonna take
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time to upload into YouTube.
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Oh my gosh, yes.
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So again, a minute before it's due.
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I'm hitting submit, but I work really well under pressure.
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That's that, that's a feature of how I show up in the world.
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Mm.
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And so I got it done.
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I got it submitted, and then I was selected, right?
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So for my first one.
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I was selected and and then we went through this whole amazing process.
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We had, you know, weekly meetings.
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I worked with a coach and a partner and we sort of went through the journey together.
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Our cohort was eight speakers, and so we built relationships with that
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entire community, and we had two months where we worked really closely
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together to build out all of our talks.
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And it was an incredible experience.
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It was so invigorating.
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It was just like, like it filled my heart.
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I learned more about myself and how I show up in the world.
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I learned about my fears and the challenges that I face.
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I learned about you know, the techniques that are necessary and
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the feedback that I need to be able to show up as my best self.
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I also learned what it looks like to do preparation.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like I said, my application process was all very last minute and I did some prep
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work, but it was all very last minute.
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And the TEDx prep for this organization was two months.
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So a month of writing and a month of practice, and I'm not used to
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putting that much time into a talk.
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I generally write them much closer to the date that I'm actually delivering them.
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And so I got to feel like what it felt like to be a little bit more
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prepared, a little bit more solid on the content and the memorization part.
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I hate memorizing.
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I generally deliver based on bullet points and notes and
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not like a fully scripted talk.
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And so that was an interesting experience for me having to memorize and having
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to fully rely on my brain because I always feel like my brain's gonna
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let me down and I wanna have notes.
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I wanna be able to just kind of go with the flow a little bit more and not feel
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like perfect memorization is a goal.
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'cause that's always scary.
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I can get you that.
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And here we are, ladies and gentlemen, speaking to a TEDx speaker.
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Oh wow.
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That's why I said I was blown away when you said yes.
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Alright,
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but as we wrap up here, what message, therefore, because ladies and
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gentlemen, you can see in spite of being diagnosed with ADHD and autism.
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Naeemah is here talking with us.
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As you can see, knowing too that, you know, these things can be a diagnosis
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that you can either be sad about or you can use it to your advantage.
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And so what message can you leave with the viewers and listeners now
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about embracing their own wiring and seeing neurodivergence not as a
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hindrance, but more as a possibility?
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Because I mean, just listening to you and I'm so excited to hear that, right?
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Yeah.
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So I'll say one thing, and that is that I think a lot of mothers
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discover our neurodivergence journey through the journey of our children.
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Mm-hmm.
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So as our children navigate these challenges, we start to see the
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similarities in how they interact in the world, in how we are.
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And so that was what guided me.
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That was what sort of brought me to this conversation, I would say.
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I think it's really important to talk about your mental health journey.
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I think therapists are amazing and psychiatrists are incredible, and
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it's really important to be able to have open conversations about our
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mental health journeys because it's gonna be really helpful for you in
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realizing that you're not alone.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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That I'm not alone piece is really important.
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Yes.
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The other piece of it is that, our brains are wired... in theory, our
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brains are wired in such a way that we should be able to figure it out, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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And so it's not a, you know, it's not a plus or a minus, it just is, right?
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And I've been able to figure out, how do I make this work
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because I didn't have a choice.
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I'm the oldest girl of six kids, and we know the responsibility
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that falls on the oldest girl.
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And so I was always expected to figure out and make it work.
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And so I did, I think.
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My journey is unique in that I kind of figured a bunch of things out
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and then later I was able to put labels on it and understand why
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things worked the way that they did.
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I think knowledge is power and the more you know and understand about
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yourself and how your brain works.
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The more peace you have with it, right?
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So I'm not changing my life because I got this diagnosis, but the language in
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this report and the language from the psychiatrist gave me a lot of insight
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into why things are the way they are, and my reaction to it was very similar
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to my son's reaction, and that was, there are places where I'm hard on
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myself and there are places where I'm mad at myself, and this is giving me a
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better understanding of why I work the way that I do, and I have more patience.
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And having patience with yourself creates a level of calm and capability that
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was actually very surprising for me.
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So the diagnosis doesn't need to make you upset.
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It should bring you calm.
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It should help you to understand why you've navigated your life
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the way that you have, why things operate the way that they do.
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And that for me, brought me calm and it brought me a lot of peace.
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Yeah.
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And as you said, so I just jotted down and that patience with yourself brought peace.
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Yeah.
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Within yourself, I'm sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Naeemah, this has been fantastic and woo, I could talk with you forever,
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but we have to leave room For those who've joined us, as guest members can
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get an opportunity to speak with you.
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But for someone who's looking at this later or listening to this
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and who would like to engage with you, how can they find you online?
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Yeah, so the place that I generally operate is LinkedIn and so Naeemah
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Elias on LinkedIn, that's my happy space and I'm on there every day.
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And so you can message me, you can connect to me, and I'd love
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to continue this conversation.
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As I said, this is new for me.
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I just got my diagnosis a couple of months ago, and so I'm exploring it with
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new eyes, and that's pretty exciting.
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And so I would love to continue the conversation with folks and
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get, you know, learn more about.
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Other people's experiences and how people have navigated this journey.
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I'm also on Instagram as Lady Elias, and if you want to look
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at my parenting stuff, right?
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So I've got a whole YouTube channel about parenting.
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That's Lucky Mommy.
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So we'll have all of that in the show notes so that people can
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follow and can connect and have more conversations in this space.
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Thank you so much Naeemah, and just as Naeemah said, LinkedIn is my happy space.
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So if you'd like to connect with me and be a guest on the show, reach out
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to me first and foremost on LinkedIn and then you can also message me.
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I'm going to the contact page of my website, which is
31:52
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I'm also on Instagram.
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32:22
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32:25
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32:28
And that mission is to educate, to inspire and empower women all over the world.
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Thank you so much, Naeemah, for being a guest on Chatting with the Experts.
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And now we'll open up the floor to all those who joined us.
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And I say this every week so that they can ask you questions that I forgot to ask.
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I didn't even think of asking.
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And so that we can continue this conversation.
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Thank you again.