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Top 10 Trap Players to Avoid for 2025-2026 (Part 2) · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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Barbara Bound Bound Banger Management Fantasy Hockey
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podcast. Wow, wow, I caught you off guard
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that I thought. You did.
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It's just it's unbearable. Welcome in you.
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Probably how our viewers felt waiting for this episode to come
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out after last weeks. Seriously.
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Yeah, totally. No, this is going to be a very,
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very spicy one. OK, yeah, sorry I interrupted
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you. No, no, all good.
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All good. It's anger management, the
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I am coming in angry over here. I.
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Thought you were. Like fuming at this episode.
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So I'm ready and excited. If you listen to our last
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episode, that was part A, Part one, Part A, Top ten trial
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players to avoid next season. This is Part 2, Part B, some
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call it, and we've got some crazy names over here.
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Yeah, I'm excited, Josh. On the same wavelength, I'm also
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excited. Wow, that's crazy.
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What are the odds? Honestly, we.
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Got we got too excited and one angry.
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Just like it's it's just this this one name, we're going to
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get to it. Y'all, y'all are gonna
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Let's let's do a deal. But yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I like it. Man, I'm excited alright #5
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because numbers 5:50 were on the previous episode.
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Nice little caveat there in the end.
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The voice. Yeah.
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So at #5 we've got, this is kind of hinted at the previous
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episode in a few ways, but we've got Aaron Ekblad.
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I'd mentioned that there were three Panthers on the list, and
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I mentioned we were gonna discuss which defensemen getting
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powerfully 1. So if any of you sleuths out
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there caught on to that, you probably see this one coming.
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Yeah. So we've got Aaron Ekblad.
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His 80P's 90. Last year he had 56 games
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played, 33 points, 1.9 shots, 1.6 hits, and 1.1 blocks per
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game. So there's a couple of reasons
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why this is a big trip. First of all, this is pretty
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high. I think for Ekblad.
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There's like a lot of good defensemen you can get around
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this or even later than this. So first of all, he's got the
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entry history. He hasn't played more than 71
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games since 2019. That's crazy right?
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Now, looking at that, I was like, that's a pretty good stat.
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And last year he only played 56. He's got that suspension history
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last year, 20 games for PED's, right?
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That's sketchy to say the least. You don't really want a guy who
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could just disappear for 20 games, not even by getting
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injured, you know? So there's that.
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And then the main one would be the power play.
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One quarterback role is not secured ever since the
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acquisition of Seth Jones. That's very contested.
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And then you've also got possible Stanley Cup fatigue.
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We had mentioned that the other guys, this is back-to-back cups
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three times finals in a row. That's a very real thing.
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At the very least, it can lead to injuries.
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And then also the Panthers power play doesn't rely that much on
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their defensemen. So what do you guys think about
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Aaron Eckhart Is a big trap. I just can't believe you called
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the listener sluts. That's why you suck on tell you
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sleuths and. Sleuths out there.
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I I totally, totally agree with this.
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This isn't the fiery one that that I'm not angry coming to the
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episode with pitchforks over. Yeah, not angry yet.
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Ekblad to me has been a trap for fantasy in his entire career.
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He was only power play one on the Panthers last year out of
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necessity because Monitor left mother had some degree of
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success. He wasn't, you know, like a Kao
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Makar or Quinn Hughes type guy. But ironic plot is not a bona
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fide power play 1 defenseman by any means and his back
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categories, you know shots, hits and blocks are definitely not
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elite enough to sustain his seasoned value like for the
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duration of the year. I wouldn't draft him in any of
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my league points or categories and I probably think Jones would
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win out the job. I think so.
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It doesn't even really matter like you said because it's not
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like the defence is going to guarantee you get a lot of
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points. But yeah, I would take Jones as
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a bet over Eckblad to to win that power play 1.
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So I think the main thing that you need to think of for fantasy
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purposes when it comes to defensemen is are they on the
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1st power play on their team? Because we know how important it
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is to have those offensive defensive defensemen.
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Because getting power production from the defensive slots is
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really difficult because there's a lot of scarcity that goes into
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it, right? There's only 32 defensemen that
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are on the first point team. Then some powerplays just suck.
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So, um, if you look at where he's being drafted, he's if you
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look at in terms of defensemen, the defenseman ahead of him
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getting drafted as Roman Yosi and right behind him is shape
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Theodore. Like I just feel like seeing him
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in that conversation between those two guys is nuts.
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You don't. He should not be there.
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And I think once again, if you listen to the previous episode,
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I went on a whole rant about plus minus because of how much
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it influences certain categories.
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But if he's not in power play one, there's no chance he's even
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cracking .5 points per game in my opinion.
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And I mean, that's probably where he hovers at his ceiling.
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But if he's not on power play one, how are you drafting him
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ahead of guys that are like feed or that are dropping 20 more
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points than he is, that are shooting, that are hitting all
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these other categories when he's just there probably only four
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plus minus And he's getting you. He's not even getting you proper
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back cat back cats. When we talk back cats, we're
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talking banger categories like shots, hits, blocks for
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defensemen. That's like your bread and
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butter that's supposed to get the most production.
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He barely does any of those things compared to other
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defensemen get way later that contribute more.
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So I just think the value is way off on Eckblad.
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You know, obviously Florida is a great team back-to-back Stanley
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Cup champs, you know they went to the final three times in a
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row. But the defenseman on their
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power play unit just doesn't seem to be super valuable.
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Maybe if it's Seth Jones it will be, but we've seen Ekblad there
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multiple times already and he doesn't produce.
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So I'd be shying away and choosing multiple other
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defensemen ahead of him. Yep, big trap.
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I'm always honestly surprised that his ADP and I'd be
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surprised if he actually gets drafted that high.
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But I guess one reason that he's such a big trap and that he's
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ranked highly is people think, oh, back-to-back Stanley Cup
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champs, power play, one quarterback easy.
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Obviously he's going to be worth a lot.
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You know, so that's like something that people can have
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in their minds and not realize that he's actually not that
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good. I mean, I mean, to be fair, if
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you look at ADP, I mean, the next guy we're going to talk
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about #4 is right, right next to him somehow, which I also think
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is a huge trap. We'll get into that very
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shortly, But would you rather have, you know, Aaron Ekblad or
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like Sergachev? Sergachev.
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For sure, right? Would you rather have chicken?
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Yeah, honestly check in proved me wrong last year.
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Would you rather have Hudson Hamilton?
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Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Would you rather have John Carlson?
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Yeah, yeah. Riley.
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No, that's I. Don't like that's when no more
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Marner? You don't.
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He might be back on P1. Yeah, we'll see.
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That's a whole other can of worms and I wanna get into the
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whole side tangent. But all that to say, there's a
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lot, a lot of defence then I'd rather over Eckblad.
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There's no reason to take him this high.
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I honestly like, I'm not even that interested in having him on
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my team at all. You know, obviously there's a
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correct price for everyone, but there's some guys that unless
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they really, really drop, then I'm not taking them.
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And he's one of them. Last thing I'll say, we really
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focus on the averages on this works when we're playing fantasy
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ourselves, like obviously trying to make the best decisions
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possible. So we're trying to maximize high
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floors for our players. Explode hits 1.89 shots a game,
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1.6 hits a game, 1.14 blocks a game as a defenseman that those
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were his stats last year. That's just not good enough.
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You can stream better, you can stream better production for
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those categories. And that's why I don't wanna pay
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up to have them on my team and then him have the name value of
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me being like, oh, I can't drop him.
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I drafted him so high. You know it's the worst bad pick
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and like some cost handcuffs on your team and your I can't say
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the F word but your F worded. Yeah, exactly.
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You're cooked. You're cooked.
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Let's C word. Yeah, no, there's nothing I hate
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more than drafting a big name guy and then every week all I
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wanna do is drop him. But I'm like, I can't drop him.
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He has the name value and then you're sending all these trade
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offers but no one's interested because they're garbage.
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So do yourselves a favor and don't draft those guys in the
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1st place and then you won't be stuck with them.
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Listen to us. Alright.
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Let's move on to. #4 four. I was like, who's gonna say it?
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Oh wait, it's me. You're the guy, you're the one
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with. The he's the guy because he's
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like his 3D. He's got two things now.
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He's got the would you rathers and he's got the numbers.
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You know, it's, it's a lot. To get rid of me.
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There's like a larger. Word or.
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Cooked I need to tell you just real quick you said Spy Kids 3D
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Elijah Wood on IMDb it says known for Lord of the Rings
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facts the. Guy at least learn of the.
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Rings was the guy. Tangent Spike is 3D.
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That was the S word when I was younger and you know.
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I just think of other words if you're not going to say it
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anyway. That was the best thing ever
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when I was younger and I remember, I remember watching it
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like as an adult, like in my early 20s and being like, oh, I
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wonder if it like ages. It does not age at all.
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Completely ruined any memories you have of that movie if you
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watch it as an adult. So, so don't do that and just
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have the nostalgia. Yeah.
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And to continue on that tangent, do you guys remember Spike?
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It's 4D, the one where they had that like scratch and sniff
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thing as the 4th dimension. Though I really want to now.
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OK, maybe that's just me. Honestly, I might be.
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I might be mixing it up with another four movie that did 4D,
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but I remember it was a movie like when I was a kid.
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Where they gave. Me like this they gave you this
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like scratch and sniff like when you went to the theatre and
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three different times in the movie where they scratch number
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one to smell what they're smelling you know and that was
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the 4th dimension so. It's actually wild.
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Crazy. Anyways, Speaking of four
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dimensions #4 on this list is Noah Dobson.
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Montreal, Canadians. Imagine if we had a scratch and
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sniff for this podcast like we're like.
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Like. Could have scratched this.
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What we have to keep going standard has gotten.
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This OK, OK #4 Noah Dobson. Yeah.
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Alright, give us. His ADP is 81, which is also, I
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keep saying this, but this is like crazy ADP.
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That's about seventh round. Yeah, 7th rounds.
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Last year he put up 71 games, played 31 points, 2.8 shots, 1.8
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blocks. And we've talked about Dobson a
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lot on the podcast in the past couple of episodes because it
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was a big sign and trade and we're all Habs fans and it was
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just one of the biggest moves of the offseason.
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But we talked about he's gonna get buried in the lineup.
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There's no way he gets power play one over Hudson.
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And a reason that I think he's a big trap, like why people might
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be overhyped about it, is the fact that he had such a bad year
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last year and he has this big change of scenery.
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He's on a team that is way more offensive than the Islanders.
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And so people might just see them.
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They're like, oh, he was in a bad situation.
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He had a bad year. And then he got put in this
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completely different situation where he's on a much more
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exciting team. That must mean he's going to
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become good again like he was in the start of his career and real
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life. Yeah, I think he's going to have
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a great year. But because of that Hudson power
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play, one thing, I think he's gonna be a big trap.
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I I completely agree. I feel like we just had this
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conversation with Eckblad, right?
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Like when it comes to fantasy defensemen, what makes them
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super valuable is the power play production.
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And I feel this ADP reflects where Dobson would have been
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drafted if he was, you know, PP one on the Islanders like he was
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last year. But right now he's going to be
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P2 on Montreal. So it's a completely different
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scenario. I think you know his back
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categories may potentially improve honestly on in a. 2.8
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shots and 1.8 blocks is pretty good.
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I feel like his shots won't stay that high, but I'd be, you know,
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I'd be encouraged that they could the blocks, honestly.
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Blocks go. Up his blocks could go up is
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what I was gonna say. Like I could see him be a guy
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that doesn't hit much but gets over two shots over 2 blocks,
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which is somewhat valuable, but if it doesn't come with the
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points or the power production, you're kind of handcuffed into
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what you could be getting from those positions anyways, right?
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Like any defenseman that shoots over to a game is definitely
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noteworthy and you gotta have on your watchlist, but if they
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don't do much else, it's hard to really, you know, validate that
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and justify the value. I just think if Dobson is not on
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PP1, his value completely diminishes for fantasy and he
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should not be drafted this high. Like is he gonna be fantasy
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relevant potentially throughout the season?
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You know, there's a Hudson injury or somebody else gets
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injured. He somehow makes it on P1.
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But if he's on P2 for the whole year like you have to take him
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behind almost every other power play 1 defenseman.
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Yeah, I do think he's going to get a lot of ice time.
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So that's my kind of looking. How many?
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How many points does he get with that ice time?
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40 to 45 is definitely like, you could do better, yeah.
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Sure. Honestly, like I, there's a lot
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of guys on this list that I'm like there's such a trap that
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like I don't want anything to do with them.
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You know, like, but with Dobson, like seeing his shots and blocks
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and thinking about how I do think he's gonna get a lot of
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ice time. It's not gonna be power play
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time, but it is gonna be a lot of ice time.
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I think he could have solid brackets and I think he could
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get close to like, you know, like I said, like .5 points per
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game. That's a guy I don't mind being
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like my 4th defenseman out of four on my team.
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The only issue is that he's gonna get taken way too highly
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to get for it to be worth. Yeah.
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So that's kind of where it is with the traps, right?
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It's not. Totally at cost.
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Yeah I agree he's getting drafted before Lane.
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Hudson is the power play 1 defenseman for the team.
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I I expect that to change like I hope before the the actual
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drafts. Cause you saying you expect
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Cotton to get drafted earlier, not for the party.
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Like, yeah, like even 80P wise. But you're leagues, Hudson
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obviously is going to be drafted earlier, but I feel there's
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always those guys that are in your league that are probably
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not going to be as well researched or knowledgeable on
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the layouts of every team. And we'll just see Dobson's name
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at the top of ADP and we'll pull the trigger.
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And that's going to be a big mistake.
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I mean, also, like, people might see the fact that they made that
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trade and then signed him to that massive contract and they
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might see, you know, I love to say follow the money.
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You know, that's the same for years.
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But but but in this case, anyone who follows the Habs knows that
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it's Hudson's spot. So yeah, that's a big trap.
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Would you rather know adoption or Gus Forsling?
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Dobson. I take Dobson.
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Yeah, OK, fair. Do you have any names around the
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league for power? Like non power play 1 defenseman
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that you're happy to have on your team though.
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Yeah, Toronto lingers like raccoons, you know.
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OK, so it's not. In the Romanov.
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The one. That's yeah.
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So for me, the way that I see it is either you're taking a
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defence in because they're probably 1 and you want them to
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chip in points, or you're taking them because they're just a
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banger beast. And those are the guys that you
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can find on the waiver wire. They're guys you can get really
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late in the draft if they're not the elite ones like big names.
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Like obviously Gus gets taken like mid rounds in any Bangor
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draft because he just year after year is a monster at that.
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Trooper used to be like that. He had a pretty rough year last
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year. I still expect him to get taken.
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You've got like a Darnell Nurse similar thing.
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So there's. Guys Darnell Nurse or Noah
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Dobson. Dobson.
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Give me nurse. I think Nurse, yeah.
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I think there's less points than Dobson, but I I think there's.
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The certainty of the back cats. Yeah, Nurse will get you like
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almost twos for shots, hits, blocks.
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Yeah. Which there is a Hudson injury
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though I feel like. Having jobs but you can't draft
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the. Double than if there's a push
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cart injury. Yeah, as a.
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No, but I'm still, I'm saying you still gonna get 30 minutes
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of ice time. So it's like that floor to me.
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I like better. Substantial value.
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Dobson OR Devante Daves. Dobson OK Taves is like my
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quintessential like amazing IRL player but sucks for fantasy and
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he he's always like 90 something percent owned and I'm always
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saying it's crazy and then he always puts up like 7 points the
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week I play him so. A couple other like Dead 2 names
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like Dobson or Thomas Shabbat. I like Dobson honestly like as
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as far as D2GO I like Dobson. The issue is that I don't like
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taking a D2 in general. Like I said, I like taking the
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D1 or a big banger guy. Cuz for me like.
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My favorite D2 in the league who doesn't hit basically.
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I think I could say that with a decent amount of confidence.
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He got paid a lot. Of money, I got one, I got 1.
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Or Vince Dunn. I've got a D2 that I think
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you'll like better than Dobson that doesn't hit Thomas Harley.
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You mean that D1? But that's OK.
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I think he's they retain the power of place, but it's over
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here. I like, I like Harley more than
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Haskin and I think, wow, Carly, it's not like Haskins.
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Ever been some amazing? Wait did you say Harley getting
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drafted higher? Yeah, his projections are higher
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than his skin, that's why. Yeah, yeah.
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No, he was too good. He was amazing, like.
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OK, fine. Then he's going into the D2.
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Yeah, that's all that I was. Absolutely.
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He's going in. Honestly, that's close.
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I think he's gonna has notoriously been one of those
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fantasy defensemen that you kind of draft high and you always
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want more from. I, I think I want, I think I
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give me Dobson. Yeah, alright.
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By the way, I totally agree with this.
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I just think I'm higher than than you guys are on Dobbs in a
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little bit, but like the thesis is there.
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OK, this is this next guy though.
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Ooh OK the last one we're moving on.
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I would purr. Obli still like.
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Dobson, C I'd probably take Dobson as well.
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OK. Unless you think kind of
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powerfully 1. No, but Dobson OK.
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Next one. OK.
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Alright, time to get Jakey Madden.
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Number. 3. #3 is Jake's best friend. #8.
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Exactly. Spoiler.
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It is the great 8. The best goal scorer in the
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history of the NHL, Alex Ovechkin.
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His ADP is 63, which is about round 5 for a 12 man.
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And last year he had 65 games played, 73 points, 3.7 shots on
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goal and 1.7 hits. That's a monster year, right?
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And he did that at 38. Going into this season he's
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going to be 39. He broke the gold record last
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year, so now he doesn't really have anything to chase.
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I know Jake is gonna be like what about 1000?
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But you know, that's not happening.
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It's his last year in the NHL. He said that himself.
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He's going back to Russia after this year.
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So he's not gonna catch any other records.
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He the I think this is a big Josh opinion.
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I don't know about you guys. I think Washington's gonna
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regress this year. I think they're going to be I
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think there gonna make the playoffs, I think as a wild card
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and not as a as a top in the division.
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And yeah. And then without the standings
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buffer and the record to chase, they're just less incentivized
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to prioritize over over the team like they were last year.
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I think. We're gonna lose a lot of
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followers for that take. I can't even say that I blame
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them. Why?
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Why? No.
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OK, Please don't stop following us because we have conflicting
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opinions on this and you guys can decide who is right.
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The truth of the matter is, I did have him.
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Obviously. This is like creating a bias.
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I think he's amazing. He's basically been the most
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entertaining player to watch for 20 years.
20:47
And the reason I actually like, I think I'm just higher on
20:51
Washington than you. And all seriousness, I think
20:53
they're very, very good team with like, a good.
20:58
You have reason to believe that they're gonna regress because
21:01
they were in the top in the league.
21:02
Like maybe they'll be more middle of the pack, but I still
21:05
think that they're going to be a good team and they're gonna feed
21:09
Ovechkin the puck a lot. Also, I do expect his hits to
21:14
slow down because he just doesn't really have, like, the
21:17
reason for it. But I still think he's going to
21:19
shoot a lot. So you're saying he's around 5
21:23
right now? Yeah.
21:25
I think you could go like it would take him out his cost, but
21:29
you're right. I mean, there may be people who
21:32
are gonna reach on him just for the name value.
21:34
So I totally get why you would have him.
21:37
There, I don't hate his ADP here, I mean I still would take
21:40
him around or two later than that, but my main reason for
21:42
putting him as a trap was less Yahoo's ADP and more because I
21:45
think people will reach on him, people like you.
21:49
Like honestly, like it, it's fair, though.
21:52
It is. It's just, I guess like what you
21:54
have to be prepared for. Like I like at his points.
21:56
Look, I don't even think it's necessarily true that his points
21:59
are gonna regress. It's just that the dynamic.
22:01
Shots hits the same amount of points in the last year.
22:03
There's no way. 73 and 65. Yeah, there's no way that's over
22:07
a point per game. I don't think he has a point per
22:09
game. This here.
22:09
I mean like, look, lest we forget that he was injured.
22:14
And do you think he finishes plays a whole year healthy at
22:16
this age? Yeah, why not if, especially if
22:19
he stops hitting as much. But he wasn't even hitting.
22:23
If he plays a less physical. Game that much, I think the main
22:27
question with Ovi is like he's been like the perennial power
22:30
forward, right? The guy that you're getting that
22:31
you're drafting is hitting, shooting almost 4 game, hitting
22:35
almost to a game and is getting you a lot, a lot of goals.
22:40
But I think this is the year that, you know, you can't expect
22:43
that level of production. I mean, we thought it was last
22:46
year and that's why you. Thought it was the last like 6
22:48
years that's. It though, that's what I'm
22:50
saying. Like he was one of the best
22:52
draft values because of, you know, he got drafted.
22:54
I feel like in a similar spot. I think Jackie got him.
22:57
What did you? Think you got him around?
22:58
Five, 3 or 4. I think 4.
23:01
Four, and he was like a draft value at that point because he
23:04
was like a top ten player for long stretches of the season.
23:07
But this year if he's not hitting the same amount of
23:09
points, I think his value significantly reduces.
23:13
I think his hits, if they slow down, they slow down.
23:16
But that's not the main reason why you have OV anymore.
23:18
The main reason is if he's shooting above 3A game, he'll
23:21
still hold his his proper value. I think he can hover around that
23:24
3 instead of being a 3.63.7. It's just about the points, like
23:29
if you shave off 20 goals from his production, like that's a
23:32
lot of points that he's missing this year.
23:34
I don't think that's happening. I think he's gonna get 40 goals,
23:38
30 assists, so 70 points in 82 games.
23:41
I can see him hit like 3535 goals and you know you're
23:45
thrilled if you're OV, but it doesn't no show.
23:50
It doesn't validate the draft cost is what I'm trying to say.
23:53
Like Jake? What round are you taking him?
23:55
Yeah, five, OK, OK. In round five, he he's going
23:59
slightly next to Philip Forsberg.
24:04
No Forsberg. Brayden Point.
24:07
Jacob Sanderson. Elias Petersik.
24:12
This is Anthony. Sorelli, Ohe, Travis Konecny,
24:19
Wyatt Johnston. Over Johnston.
24:22
You're taking, you're taking OV over connecting.
24:25
Yeah, why would I take connecting over Obi?
24:31
Definitely close. Now honestly, I don't hate that
24:34
from Jake, I think. That's definitely close.
24:37
Like I said, I don't think Yahoo's ADP is off.
24:39
I think more the fact is that people are gonna reach on him.
24:41
Like if you get him round like 5-6, that's, that's a solid
24:45
place to get him, you know, But I think people might take him
24:48
around 3-4 and they're, I think it's a big reach.
24:50
I just I just like Washington. I don't think they're going to
24:53
have as big of a dip. Like that's the truth.
24:55
Like, I mean, I get it though, Like you're right.
24:57
I just look at the roster and like this is a good, good team
25:01
and. I think last year, like all of
25:03
their guys had like career years slash career resurgences.
25:07
Everything just seemed to go right.
25:09
Ovie, like everything he touched turned to gold.
25:11
You know, like he was chasing that record.
25:13
The whole team was chasing that high.
25:15
It was just, it was kind of like one of those like team of
25:18
destiny years for them. Obviously the playoffs, like a
25:21
second round elimination. That's kind of what I felt they
25:24
deserved in terms of how good their team is.
25:26
And and yeah, I just don't see them performing that well.
25:28
Again, like I said, I don't think they're dropping out of
25:30
the playoffs, but I think they're going to be
25:33
significantly worse than last year.
25:35
Yeah, if it is his last year, maybe he would want to go out
25:38
with a bang. Like, I know he's not chasing
25:39
the record and that's obviously more of a milestone.
25:41
At the end, he could, he could if he wasn't Chaser record.
25:43
He's gotta chase the hits record and that would be fun to see.
25:47
That would be. That's true, I forgot.
25:49
About it for hits a game and you're just like, OK.
25:53
He's not far from it, no. No he could be the guy because
25:56
they only started counting hits like a couple decades ago so not
25:59
like it's not old old stat. So he has a chance honestly to
26:04
be like the the leading goal scorer of all time and leading
26:08
hit. Or yeah, keep for sure where it
26:11
comes from. Thank you for sure, like two
26:14
more seasons of hell catch up. Yeah, all.
26:16
Time averaging like 20 hits a game, yeah.
26:19
OK, but wait, Ovi or or Tim Stutzel?
26:24
Stitzel. Sticks all over your Jason
26:26
Robertson. Over.
26:29
I think I got over you. That's really tough for me.
26:31
I know that having super low on Robertson.
26:33
And. It's tough because I respect
26:37
your guys's opinion. So, you know, like all his hate
26:40
for Robertson is rubbing off on me, even though I think
26:42
Robertson is gonna really good. Hear Give me Robertson.
26:44
Just I gotta stick to my guns. Over your Marchenko.
26:49
Marchenko. Easy.
26:51
I love Marchenko. Yeah, yeah, same.
26:55
He's like a mini pasta. It's like a little like ravioli.
27:00
Marchenko Yeah, but it depends. Like listen, honestly, look, I
27:05
think just one thing that I'll say is everybody on this top ten
27:08
list and we have some spicy names for the next two barring,
27:13
OK, if the truck has a healthy season, 2 trucks.
27:15
Obviously the one who doesn't belong here the most because he
27:18
could be like a first round type guy.
27:20
But Ovie's the one who I consider to be the best.
27:24
Like if you are gonna take someone from this list like OV
27:27
is the one I'd want, especially over the next two.
27:30
Yeah. Oversize Peterson.
27:33
Patterson yeah, I mean. Yeah, Peterson.
27:38
Listen, it's it's like, I guess the challenge here is, is like
27:42
the the people lower than Ovi. Like do you take, do you take
27:46
him? Because Peterson's where is
27:47
around Ovo. He's also around 5:00.
27:50
Yeah. They're going in very similar
27:52
spots. I think OV goes like slightly
27:54
before. Did you take over your Bennett?
27:59
Ovi. Yeah, over.
28:01
I think he's gonna get significantly more points, yeah.
28:04
Alright, let's move on to the next one before.
28:06
I'm still bad. Yeah, I get it.
28:09
I get comment down of it now. You know, is there.
28:12
This next one's gonna get me really mad, so it will be on the
28:14
same level. It's just gonna give you trauma
28:16
from last year. Yeah, exactly.
28:17
It's made for a different reason.
28:19
I put him on this list and furiously typed it in.
28:23
All right #2. At #2 we've got my second round
28:28
pick from last year who tanked my season.
28:31
Roman Yosi I used to love but now hate.
28:36
His ADP is 61 which normally you'd see that and be like what?
28:40
That's crazy. You see the second round guy
28:42
but. The second or third defence went
28:44
off the board actually. Yeah, last year 53 games played,
28:47
38 points, 2.8 shots, 1.8 blocks and I actually did some deep
28:52
diving into this situation because I was like, hey, I'm
28:55
really pissed because I had him last year and he screwed me, but
28:57
I wanna make sure I've got some facts to back up my hatred and
29:01
trap for this year. So first of all, his age you'll
29:04
notice of a thing kind of trend with all these guys.
29:06
They're all for the most part they're all like 32 plus.
29:09
So the second they started hitting that like quote UN quote
29:12
old age. Obviously for non hockey people
29:15
that's just super chill age, you know, but there's a sports.
29:19
Super. Chill.
29:20
Yeah, Yeah. So he's 35 years old going into
29:24
this season, but the big, big reason is the injury that he had
29:28
at the end of last season. So it was called postural
29:31
tachycardia syndrome. What it is, is when you change
29:34
postures too quickly, you can get dizziness and faintness and.
29:39
You change postures a lot when you play hockey.
29:41
That is a great question, Kevin. Yes, you do.
29:45
Doctor but confirm. Yeah, So the GM said that this
29:51
is a quote with continued management and treatment, he can
29:54
return to the ice for the 2526 season.
29:56
So. The next thing on the ice, they
29:59
just said to the ice. Yeah, that's not the part of
30:02
pointing out. This is not like a decrypting
30:04
message. What does it mean?
30:05
You know, but it's with continued management and
30:08
treatment. And then I was looking into this
30:10
condition more and there's no like cure for.
30:13
It's the type of thing that there's treatments and
30:14
management strategies, but it's the type of thing that you just
30:17
kind of have. So this is a big issue for a
30:20
star athlete. You know, I'm sure he's gonna be
30:23
able to play, He's gonna play most of the season, but I expect
30:26
and miss sometime throughout the year, even if it's like load
30:29
management, like that's what they need to do for him, you
30:30
know, So I can see that and him playing through it somewhere.
30:34
The whole Chuck thing where if he does play, it's gonna be a
30:36
step back because of this injury.
30:38
I don't think it's something you just shake off.
30:40
I mean, he took, he missed like two months at the end of the
30:42
year. You know, he was day-to-day for
30:43
like a month and then they were just like, you know what,
30:45
actually, they never said anything.
30:47
This is another reason. Also horrible.
30:49
So like they have reason to like manage.
30:52
That's what I thought, right? I thought it was like, oh,
30:54
nationals horrible. They're shutting him down to be
30:56
safe. But then I looked into it more
30:57
and I think they would have shut him down regardless.
30:59
I don't think it was really up to them.
31:00
And I think, I don't think it's the type of thing that you just
31:03
bounce back from even like it's been a couple of months.
31:06
I don't know, the age and the injury together makes him a huge
31:09
trap for me. And I'm trying to keep my bias
31:10
out of it. That's why I looked into it so
31:12
much. Yeah, now that I've calmed down
31:16
after the last one, Yoshi, I I totally agree.
31:20
And we're all friends again. So.
31:23
So to me, yeah, wouldn't go near him at this draft cost.
31:27
It's crazy to me. It's just too high.
31:30
It's just wild because. If you like around 5:00.
31:32
I was gonna say, if you look at the Adps like guys that are
31:34
going around him, like would you rather have your here Josh
31:38
Morrissey? I think more to see this.
31:42
Right. OK, you'll see.
31:44
Or Drew Dowdy. What I'm saying something Yoshi
31:48
over doubting. Yeah.
31:50
You're right, the three guys, if I'm gonna I'm looking at, you
31:53
know, my projections for league that has plus minus.
31:56
You gotta get this plus minus out of here.
31:58
Man, I know, but I'm just saying a lot of people playing leagues
32:00
that have plus minus, right? So that's why I'm saying, OK,
32:03
let's look at what it looks like.
32:04
It's Josh Morrissey, Yoshi, Noah Dobson, Aaron Ekblad, Gus
32:08
Forsling who is a plus minus God, and then Drew Doughty.
32:13
Yeah. I didn't realize we're looking
32:15
at plus minus leagues though. That throws all of this out of
32:17
for sure. For sure.
32:19
But it's just something to keep in mind that like, even in a
32:22
plus minus, you're gonna see, you'll see.
32:26
Honestly, you'll see even worse because he's on Nashville and
32:28
they're. Exactly with negative plus
32:31
minus. Yeah, for sure.
32:34
Yeah. The thing is like, is he topped
32:36
in defence this year? No, no, like I'm, I'm thinking
32:44
so Makar, Oranski, Daleen, Quinn, Hughes, Wieger, that's
32:49
five. Give me Bouchard.
32:50
Top your head, Yeah. Me, Sanderson, that's seven.
32:54
Give me Headman, that's 8. Like, do you take Fox?
33:00
I'm not the biggest Fox fan in bangers but honestly I take him
33:02
over Yoshi this year. In bangers, yeah, I think.
33:05
Yeah, load management, though, it's the worst.
33:08
Yeah, if they do that, it's like going to screw up everything.
33:11
I mean like, I'd probably rather chicken over Yoshi as well.
33:14
I mean most Syrian. Hudson too.
33:16
Would you think most cider spider?
33:18
For sure, yeah. We said Josh Morrissey that's so
33:22
he's in that like 11 to 15 probably range.
33:26
And I think that the the thing that really keeps this value is
33:28
the shots, right? But like.
33:30
Yeah, he's a great. Shooter that's that's one of the
33:32
reasons why he's so leave. He almost shoots that 3.
33:34
Again, I mean, he's historically he's an amazing player.
33:37
It's this is the first year ever that like, you know, that I'm
33:40
like, stay away. It's really that injury that
33:42
that kind of like scares me. The age and the injury together
33:45
and and the fact that Nashville sucks.
33:47
It's really kind of at the point where it's like, obviously,
33:49
again, as we preface a million times in these this top ten,
33:52
it's for the right price. Anyone's worth it, especially
33:54
someone historically as good as the OC.
33:56
But why take a risk eye on a guy like this with so many question
34:00
marks when you can get like more of a sure thing?
34:01
Where, where? Where does he have to fall for
34:03
you to be interested? I'll take him around like 90th,
34:07
so that would be like rounds 7. Like that's around like Charlie
34:12
McAvoy ish. Yeah, like I would take over
34:15
McAvoy. OK, all right, let's get.
34:17
Let's get 2 for one. All right #1 the biggest trap of
34:25
the year, and I like this one because I think it's a real
34:28
trap. I think like a lot of people are
34:30
going to fall for this one. And historically been very good.
34:32
And enough preface, I'll just say it.
34:34
Mika is a bandage ad from the New York Rangers.
34:37
His ADP in our league settings is 2520.
34:42
Five and we played A14 team league.
34:45
That's a second round pick. Yeah, that's like mid second
34:48
round. Last year stats were 82 games
34:51
played, 62 points, 2.2 shots per game and 6.7 faceoff wins.
34:55
And let's not forget that the Rangers were doing everything in
34:57
their power to get him off the team for a certain amount of
35:00
time at the end of the season when their whole season was
35:01
collapsing. Like this is this is a guy that
35:04
I feel like has lost, really has lost his favor with with the New
35:08
York Rangers. And I think they've moved on to
35:11
other things. I think JT Miller kind of like
35:12
is the news of manager for that team.
35:14
And you know, no Crider either. And Crider was a big reason why
35:17
the bandage had had a lot of chemistry with his line mates.
35:21
And I just feel like he's the guy that's gonna get bumped off
35:25
P1 for LCC Lafreniere. And then what happens is value.
35:29
If he's not on that P1 It's it's it's it's C word cooked.
35:35
Finally, what you could say yeah.
35:38
And then there's also the fact that for face off when leagues
35:41
right, like he's often he's usually been like one of those
35:44
like sees who like not only will put up great points, but he's
35:47
been greater faceoffs and now all of a sudden he's either
35:50
gonna be the 3C or he's gonna be the line 2 right wing.
35:53
So regardless, that's eating into his faceoffs a lot.
35:56
And then you would mention this the Crider trade Zibanejad and
36:00
Kreider played together power play, even strength and
36:02
shorthanded. They were like connected at the
36:05
attached at the hip for almost a decade.
36:08
So that trade is a big loss. I saw, I saw an interview with
36:12
Mike Sullivan, who got hired as the coach and he had spoken with
36:15
Savannah Chad after getting hired and, and he mentioned
36:18
Sancho saying, yeah, you know, I've been developing a bit of a
36:20
chemistry with Miller. So that would be cool to play on
36:22
his right wing again. So they might try him out like
36:24
that. And he, Sullivan also said, you
36:25
know, having him as a 3C is also really great because of having
36:28
that centre depth. But like he's talking about
36:30
having to build that chemistry up, you know, as opposed to in
36:33
the past years, he's had 9-10 years or whatever to, to build
36:36
up that chemistry in the 1st place.
36:38
So it's going to be a big hit to his value.
36:40
And then there's Lafreniere's like on his tail for Power Play
36:42
1 and he's 32 years old. Added to the to the ages and
36:46
lawsuit against us, you know. I can see being traded this
36:51
year. You do see him being.
36:53
Traded. I I could see him being traded.
36:55
I, I wouldn't be shocked, but there's just so many other guys
36:58
I'd rather at this cost. There's no chance of taking him
37:00
anywhere near the second round. Yeah, there's seven or eight
37:03
round guy. Yeah, like Tage Thompson is in
37:07
the 5th. Round Yeah, you.
37:08
Can't like let's and Savannah Jones in the second Makes no
37:12
sense. Absolutely.
37:13
Give me Josh. I would like patently take I'm
37:15
taking over as a bandage ad. Yeah, of course, for sure.
37:20
This is weirdly oddly right. I don't understand.
37:25
Do not draft list just because he's ADP is so high that even if
37:28
he falls and becomes a quote UN quote value he's still going to
37:30
be too high. Yeah, yeah, you just gotta like
37:33
watch Zibanejad just go by and be cool with that.
37:37
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