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WHEN THE BELL RINGS | Ep. 4: Hulk Hogan's death and convoluted legacy · The Recess Bell

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  Speaker 5: Welcome to another edition of When the Bell Rings. I'm
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  Speaker 5: the old Cory David alongside me with my co host
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  Speaker 5: Justin Greenberg. Today's a special episode as we look back
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  Speaker 5: at the life of the late Hulk Hogan, the highs,
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  Speaker 5: blows and everything in between.
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  Speaker 3: We give it to you real, unlike no other. Let's
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  Speaker 3: get it.
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  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan was the face of pro wrestling. He's the
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  Speaker 1: Babe Ruth of pro wrestling, and if you haven't heard,
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  Speaker 1: he passed away earlier this week at the age of
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  Speaker 1: seventy one. I would have thought he's older. I could
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  Speaker 1: have sworn he was in his mid seventies, but only
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  Speaker 1: seventy one years old, and I know he was dealing
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  Speaker 1: with health issues, and people around him were saying the
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  Speaker 1: health issues were fabricated, but I tend to believe that
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  Speaker 1: he was not in the best of health. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's been rumors that he had a neck fusion surgery
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  Speaker 1: and pretty much hasn't been able to speak since that surgery,
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  Speaker 1: and he died of a heart attack earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 1: But there would be no modern wrestling that we know
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  Speaker 1: of without Hulk Hogan. And that's just a fact. With
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  Speaker 1: Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan taking pro wrestling from pretty
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  Speaker 1: much like Smoky filed Anas, you were rarely gonna find
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  Speaker 1: kids at wrestling events in the sixties and seventies and
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  Speaker 1: or early eighties. I'm not saying kids didn't go to wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part, if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: crowds of these events, you know, with Pedro Morales and
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  Speaker 1: Bruno San Martino, and if you want to go to
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  Speaker 1: the NWA, people like Harley Race and the Funk Brothers,
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  Speaker 1: you rarely saw him young kids in the arenas. And
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  Speaker 1: what Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon did is they took
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  Speaker 1: pro wrestling from sort of a niche thing and They
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  Speaker 1: made it a global phenomenon and made it acceptable for kids, teenagers, adults,
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  Speaker 1: grandparents to all go to pro wrestling and not be
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  Speaker 1: ashamed of going to a pro wrestling event. Now, Hogan
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  Speaker 1: started his career in the late seventies and joined the AWA.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He initially had a run in the then WWWF and
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  Speaker 1: feuded with the likes of Andre the Giant and the
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  Speaker 1: famously had a match at Chase Stadium against Andrea the
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  Speaker 1: Giant and basically Vince McMahon senior, Vince's dad. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: like the idea of Hogan going into Hollywood because Hogan
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  Speaker 1: was offered a role in Rocky three as Thunderlips, one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite movies of all time, and Vince Senior
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  Speaker 1: was very old school and he didn't want to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let Hogan do that. So Hogan left the WWF and
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  Speaker 1: joined the AWA, which is a company run by verne Gania.
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  Speaker 1: And that's really when Hulkamania started to run wild. That's
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  Speaker 1: when you got a lot of the Hulk Hogan. You know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of things that you would know later on in life,
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  Speaker 1: like the ripping of the shirt and let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you something, brother, and you know, doing the interviews with
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  Speaker 1: me and Gene Oakerland because me and Gene was a
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  Speaker 1: part of the AWA. Now, Hogan was influenced by a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, particularly Superstar Billy Graham. He's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: the prototype for what Hulk Hogan became. Those phrases, the
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  Speaker 1: tie die, the muscles, talking in that sort of lingo
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  Speaker 1: that Hogan would do, and Superstar was way ahead of
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  Speaker 1: his time. Really also influenced many others, including Jesse the
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  Speaker 1: Body Ventorra. But Hogan's in the AWA and Vern never
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  Speaker 1: goes in with Hogan like he's the biggest attraction in
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  Speaker 1: the company, but they never gave him the world title.
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  Speaker 1: He had matches versus Nick Bockwinkle and he'd win, and
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  Speaker 1: then you think he was winning the title, and lo
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  Speaker 1: and behold, they would do like a screw job sort
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  Speaker 1: of finish and the title would be taken away from him.
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  Speaker 1: And Hogan's pretty much just like, when are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: strap the rocket to me? Fully, because I'm clearly the
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  Speaker 1: biggest name in this business right now. I was just
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  Speaker 1: in Rocky three, one of the biggest movies of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Give me the title. But he knew that Vern was
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  Speaker 1: not going to be able to capitalize on the success
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  Speaker 1: of what Hogan was doing, and he knew the real
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  Speaker 1: money was back in New York. And at this time,
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  Speaker 1: Vince McMahon Senior sold his company to his son, Vince
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  Speaker 1: McMahon Junior, the one that most of you guys know,
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  Speaker 1: and Vince Junior was going to do everything different that
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  Speaker 1: his father was doing and pretty much was going to
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  Speaker 1: allow for show business to be involved with pro wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: And Hogan decided to go back to the WWF and
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  Speaker 1: pretty much in a month or so won the championship
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  Speaker 1: from the Iron Chic January twenty third, nineteen eighty four,
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  Speaker 1: And that's when a lot of people say that's when
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  Speaker 1: hulk Emania started, but really, if you go back to
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  Speaker 1: his a WA days, you'll see just hulk Comania was
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  Speaker 1: running wild in the Minneapolis, Era area also. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Vince and Hogan pretty much changed the landscape of
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  Speaker 1: pro wrestling. Hulk Hogan became the face of pro wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: the Babe Ruth of pro wrestling. And I've heard people
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  Speaker 1: say very few, but I've heard people say, oh, Vince
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  Speaker 1: could have gave that spot to anybody and there would
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  Speaker 1: have been the same success of the WWF which is
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  Speaker 1: now the WWE, and I don't agree with that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't. You give it to someone like Randy
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  Speaker 1: Savage who's completely paranoid and doesn't have, I think, the
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  Speaker 1: ability to play the political stance. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of politics in pro wrestling. I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump politics. I'm talking about playing it right and
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  Speaker 1: knowing what to say and what not to say, and
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  Speaker 1: how to present themselves on different talk shows and play
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  Speaker 1: that game. And I don't think Macho Man would have
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  Speaker 1: done that. A guy like Roddy Piper completely unhinged. And
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  Speaker 1: I love those guys, and I love those guys actually
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  Speaker 1: more than Hulk Hogan. I think they're better wrestlers and
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  Speaker 1: more entertaining than the Hulkster. But Hogan was the right guy,
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  Speaker 1: the only guy at that time the size. Hogan was
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  Speaker 1: also like a foot bigger than both of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: He was a mammoth. The guy was gigantic, six foot seven,
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  Speaker 1: close to three hundred pounds of giant, oily tanned muscle,
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  Speaker 1: with that iconic mustache and the bandanna and the yellow
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  Speaker 1: trunks and the big boot in the leg drop. It
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  Speaker 1: was all combining with the success of Rocky three, and
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  Speaker 1: Vince McMahon basically put all of his eggs in one basket.
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  Speaker 1: In that basket was going to be WrestleMania. If the
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  Speaker 1: initial WrestleMania was not a success, the WWF definitely would
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  Speaker 1: have not been around any longer, and he decided to
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  Speaker 1: pair up Hulk Hogan with mister t who was also
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  Speaker 1: in Rocky three. He's one of the bigger TV stars
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  Speaker 1: at around this time with the A Team, and he
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  Speaker 1: has his own Breakfast Cereal, he has his own cartoon
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  Speaker 1: show like He's gigantic, and they do various programs on MTV,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty much in its infancy, but everyone and
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  Speaker 1: their mother that has cable is watching MTV is must
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  Speaker 1: watch television. And that whole rock and wrestling connection with
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Lauper and you know Roddy Piper attacking her and
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  Speaker 1: her manager and starting this gigantic feud leading up to WrestleMania,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, the war to Settle to score all
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  Speaker 1: these great events on television leading up to that initial
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  Speaker 1: WrestleMania where it would be Rowdy Roddy Piper teaming up
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  Speaker 1: with mister Wonderful Paul Orndorf to take on mister T
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  Speaker 1: and hul Cogan that was must watch, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: on pay per view. Pay per view really wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: thing at this point. It was on closed circuit television.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially, if you wanted to watch this event, you
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  Speaker 1: would either a have to go to Madison Square Garden
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  Speaker 1: and watch it live or b go to an arena
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  Speaker 1: that's showing the event. So you'd basically pay money to
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  Speaker 1: go to an area to watch it on just a
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  Speaker 1: big screen TV or you know, some sort of projector
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what the size of these screens were,
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  Speaker 1: but you couldn't just order it at home. Really, pay
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  Speaker 1: per view didn't become truly big until a few years
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  Speaker 1: later and they got rid of the whole closed circuit concept.
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  Speaker 1: So Hogan teams up with mister T and it's a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic success. WrestleMania is huge, and then they start having
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  Speaker 1: events on NBC, things like the Main Event and Saturday
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  Speaker 1: Night's Main Event, and these things were watched by millions
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  Speaker 1: of people. I'm gonna look up right now, most watched
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  Speaker 1: wrestling program of all time, and I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: something called the Main Event, which is when, yes, this
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  Speaker 1: was the main event there on NBC on February fifth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. This event drew a record thirty three
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  Speaker 1: million viewers, and this led to Andre the Giant winning
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  Speaker 1: the title from Hogan but then giving it to the
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  Speaker 1: million dollar man, Ted Dbasse. But there was a swerve
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  Speaker 1: because the referee, Dave Hebner, his twin brother, showed up
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  Speaker 1: and Earl Hebner, who became a very famous or infamous
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  Speaker 1: referee in his own right. But that thing was watched
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  Speaker 1: by thirty three million viewers. So let's just go, I
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  Speaker 1: just I'm curious. What was the most watched regular season
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  Speaker 1: football game last year? Most watched regular season NFL game
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Let's see googling, googling, googling. So the
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  Speaker 1: most watched game last year was the Giants.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Really it was a Thanksgiving Day game the Giants and
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  Speaker 1: the Cowboys, which drew thirty eight million viewers, so just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more than a pro wrestling event, but
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  Speaker 1: majority of NFL games don't get anywhere near this. This
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  Speaker 1: is pretty much like tripling what your average NFL game gets,
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  Speaker 1: usually around ten million or so on like a CBS
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  Speaker 1: or Fox sort of game. So wrestling was gigantic, and
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  Speaker 1: there was very few channels. Also, that is why many
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  Speaker 1: people were watching this because they pretty much either didn't
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  Speaker 1: have cable and really only had five things to watch.
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  Speaker 1: So he prebaty went to stuck watching what was ever
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  Speaker 1: on CBS or NBC or you know the other channels
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  Speaker 1: that you would get with basic cable. So Hulk Hogan
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  Speaker 1: is rising right now. He's hosting Saturday Night Live, He's
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  Speaker 1: on the cover of Sports Illustrated. He's doing really bad movies,
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  Speaker 1: Like he was great as Thunderlips, but then when he
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  Speaker 1: became like the leading man in movies like Noel Holds
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  Speaker 1: Barred and Mister Nanny and Suburban Command a terrible movies
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  Speaker 1: but also like a guilty pleasure of mind. I really
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  Speaker 1: actually like the movie no Holds Bard he had a
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  Speaker 1: really funny cameo. And Gremlins two, and you know, wrestling
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  Speaker 1: just kept on getting bigger and bigger. As I mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: Hogan got his own cartoon show. He had a workout set,
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  Speaker 1: he had all the action figures in video games, the
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  Speaker 1: LJN rubber figures. That's something that's always been in my household.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember a time in my life when Hulk
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  Speaker 1: Hogan wasn't a part of my life. Even before I
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  Speaker 1: watched pro wrestling. We had the Giant Wrestling Buddy, there's
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  Speaker 1: like giant stuffed animals in the shape of wrestlers. We
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  Speaker 1: had the Hogan one. We still have the Hogan one.
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  Speaker 1: I have the LJN one, which is like this big
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  Speaker 1: rubber figure, and it's just it was just always there
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  Speaker 1: before even watching wrestling. Like I said, Hogan was a
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  Speaker 1: part of my life, and wrestling kept on continuing to
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  Speaker 1: get bigger and pretty much the peak I would say
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  Speaker 1: for this early era of wrestling would be WrestleMania three,
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  Speaker 1: when Andrea the Giant officially passed the torch to Hulk
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  Speaker 1: Hogan in front of When they say ninety three thousand,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that. You know, number is exaggerated like most
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  Speaker 1: things in pro wrestling, but a crapload of people at
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  Speaker 1: the Pontiac Silver Dob witnessed this amazing match between Andre
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  Speaker 1: the Giant when he got body slammed by the Hulkster
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  Speaker 1: and I had this a few times this week. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: if there was to be a logo for professional wrestling,
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  Speaker 1: just how the NBA has their logo with Jerry West
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  Speaker 1: the Silhouette of Jerry West. I would say the logo
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  Speaker 1: of pro Wrestling would be a silhouette of Andre being
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  Speaker 1: slammed by Hulk Hogan. Then Hogan would have feuds with
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  Speaker 1: Macho Man Randy Savage, you know, leading up to a
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  Speaker 1: formation of their tag team, the Megapowers. Then they imploded
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  Speaker 1: by WrestleMania five. Then Hogan himself tried to pass the
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  Speaker 1: torch to the Ultimate Warrior at WrestleMania six. That really
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  Speaker 1: didn't go too well. A warrior couldn't lead like Hogan led.
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  Speaker 1: Hogan was. He knew how to represent the company to
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  Speaker 1: perfection at this point, and there was really no flaws
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  Speaker 1: in what he did. There was one minor hiccup in
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  Speaker 1: the mid eighties, pretty much right before WrestleMania, the initial one.
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  Speaker 1: He choked out television host Richard Belzer. And it's this
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  Speaker 1: funny moment. At this time, a lot of news stations
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  Speaker 1: were trying to say, oh, wrestling's fake, No crap, it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how dumb do you have to be? Did
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  Speaker 1: people actually think this was real? I gets so funny
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  Speaker 1: reading these books and these hearing these stories from the
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  Speaker 1: old old timers. Yeah, these fans tried to stab me
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  Speaker 1: because of a match, Like, did people actually think wrestling
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  Speaker 1: was real? Like how dumb did you have to be
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  Speaker 1: to think what you were watching wasn't a staged event.
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  Speaker 1: I would love for somebody that grew up in like
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  Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies that actually watched wrestling to let
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  Speaker 1: me know if they were grown up, then did they
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  Speaker 1: actually think it was real? Because pretty much by the
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  Speaker 1: age of seven, what I knew what I was watching
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  Speaker 1: was staged. I still loved it, you know, just like
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  Speaker 1: I like watching the Ninja Turtles and Captain America and
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  Speaker 1: all these Marvel movies and all these you know, comic
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  Speaker 1: book movies. I just saw it as something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, he choked out Richard Bellser live on television
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  Speaker 1: and for real, and there was a big lawsuit. Belzer
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  Speaker 1: won a couple million dollars actually from it. But then
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  Speaker 1: a big hiccup took place in the early nineties. The
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  Speaker 1: government start to go after Vince McMahon, one for sexual
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  Speaker 1: allegations between some of the people that worked for the
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  Speaker 1: company against some of these young men that worked for
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  Speaker 1: the company. But for Hogan's sake, they were also going
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  Speaker 1: after McMahon because of steroids, and they were saying that
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  Speaker 1: McMahon was pushing steroids onto his wrestlers, and with Hogan
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  Speaker 1: being the face of pro wrestling and being a gigantic
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  Speaker 1: man who clearly was on steroids, the world was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much waiting to see how we would handle this situation.
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  Speaker 1: And he did go on the Arsenio Hall Show and
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  Speaker 1: really dropped the ball there because he pretty much denied
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  Speaker 1: ever taking steroids besides one time due to an injury.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just the first lie that we've heard from
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  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan over the years. The guy's infamous for just
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  Speaker 1: telling these fabricated stories anything from Andre to Giant was
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred pounds when I slammed him and then he
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  Speaker 1: died a week later. I was the original pick to
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  Speaker 1: be the bassist for Metallica. Darren Aronofsky wanted me to
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  Speaker 1: play Mickey Rourik's role in the Wrestler. Like pretty much
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  Speaker 1: all things that have been debunked from talking to members
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  Speaker 1: of Metallica or Darren Aronofsky or just you know, looking
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  Speaker 1: at facts like, yeah, Andre didn't die for another five
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  Speaker 1: years or six years. He just lied. There's montages of
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  Speaker 1: videos online of the hulkster lying. But this was the
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  Speaker 1: first one that the masses really saw and they started
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  Speaker 1: to turn on Hogan. Around this time, ninety two to
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  Speaker 1: ninety three, the WWF was going in a different direction.
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  Speaker 1: He was starting to not get the reactions that he
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  Speaker 1: was once getting, and eventually he did leave the WWF
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  Speaker 1: to join a rival company called WCW, which was run
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  Speaker 1: by Ted Turner, and in nineteen ninety four he faced
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  Speaker 1: off against Rick Flair and in his first match, he
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  Speaker 1: won the WCW Championship, And eventually that started to get
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  Speaker 1: old and they thought, okay, Wolka Mania truly is dead.
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  Speaker 1: At this time, WCW was a down south sort of organization.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't really like the Northeast territory of the WWF,
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  Speaker 1: so he wasn't really being accepted. And eventually, in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six, Hogan did the truly unthinkable, and he turned heel,
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  Speaker 1: meaning Hogan, who was a good guy for fifteen years
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  Speaker 1: or so, turned his back on WCW, turned his back
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  Speaker 1: on the fans, and became a bad guy by joining
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  Speaker 1: forces with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash to form the nWo.
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  Speaker 1: And this was the resurgence that pro wrestling needed after
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  Speaker 1: that steroid trial took place. Wrestling was doing its worst
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  Speaker 1: numbers in decades, and this rejuvenate the business. It lit
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  Speaker 1: a spark under the WWF to get their product in shape,
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  Speaker 1: and then we started to see stars like Stone Cold,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Austin and The Rock and all these young people
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  Speaker 1: in WWF sort of step up their game, all because
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  Speaker 1: of what Hogan was able to do in the nWo.
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  Speaker 1: With the WCW brand, and you know, he had a
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  Speaker 1: second run of being the biggest bad guy in the business.
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  Speaker 1: He was the biggest good guy of all time, and
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  Speaker 1: you can make an argument he was the biggest bad
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  Speaker 1: guy of all time in pro wrestling. Eventually, WCW goes
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  Speaker 1: out of business and Hogan returns home to the WWF,
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  Speaker 1: and with this so many dream matchups people were waiting
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  Speaker 1: to see. I think the big one everyone wanted to
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  Speaker 1: see was Stone Cold Steve Austin versus Hulk Hogan. Unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: that never happened in the singles match in the WWF. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Hogan did come into the WWF as a heel, meaning
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  Speaker 1: he was maintaining that Hollywood Hogan nWo character, but the
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  Speaker 1: audience didn't want any of that. They wanted to cheer him.
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  Speaker 1: He was finally back home, and he eventually faced The
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  Speaker 1: Rock at WrestleMania eighteen. And this was supposed to be
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: The Rock as the good guy and Hulk Hogan as
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the bad guy, but that Toronto crowd was going nuts
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: for the Hulkster. It's my favorite pro wrestling match of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: all time, and the audience truly makes that match something special.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: The loud noises being made constantly through this match, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the fact that this one wasn't the main event is insane.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: How do you not have this match go on?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: List?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It completely stole the show. It took the wind out
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: of the Souths for the remainder of the event, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Hogan truly showed that he was the master of pro wrestling,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the biggest name in all of pro wrestling when he
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: lost to Hulk Hogan. I mean, excuse me when he
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: lost to The Rock at WrestleMania eighteen, but all the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: eyes were on the Hulkster. He's the one that everyone
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was talking about. Eventually, he fully turned into a good guy,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: won the WWF Championship one more time. He was actually
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the last image on TV for the WWF was Hogan
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: holding the World Championship. And then the next day they
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: had to change to the WWE because of a lawsuit
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: involving the World Wildlife Fun So Hogan eventually his run
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in WWE comes to an end. He has a match
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: with Vince McMahon at WrestleMania nineteen. It's absolutely insanity and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it actually is another guilty pleasure of mine. I actually
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: really enjoy his match with McMahon at WrestleMania nineteen. But
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: around this time, he starts a reality show on VH one,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Hogan Knows Best. And this is really like the downfall
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of that whole family because they put their kids in
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the spotlight and it really broke up their family pretty much.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Their family has been a disaster since the creation of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: this show. Brooke Hogan, the daughter, she pretty much wanted
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Hulk Hogan for the last five, six,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: seven years of his life. She didn't invite him to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: her wedding. He never saw her, you know, his grandkids.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Nick Hogan, the son, he got into a horrific car accident,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: pretty much leaving his best friend braindead, and he went
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to prison for that. And then also Linda Hogan divorced
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan and took pretty much all of his money
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and Hogan was really on hard times, and another you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: know tragedy happened with Nick Hogan going to prison. Audio
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was leaked about Hogan and pretty much saying the guy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that got into the accident, that's you know, brain dead.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: He sort of deserved it and we're gonna, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: make a reality show about this. And I know a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people are crapping on him for that, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I can understand why. But he's also like talking to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: his son and he you know, maybe he was just
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: saying whatever to cheer him up, So I'm not going
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to hold him to that. Hogan eventually joined a company
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: called TNA Wrestling and pretty much led that company underground
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and really destroyed any momentum that they were gaining in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the years prior to Hogan joining. And eventually he was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: privately filmed having sex with a radio personality's wife. There's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a guy named Bubba the Love Sponge who was Hogan's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: best friend, and he pretty much allowed his wife to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have sex with Hogan at any point, but he filmed
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: or it was filmed, and then that film got leaked,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and this is really like the true downfall of Hulk
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Hogan was this sex tape because with the sex tape
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: being leaked, audio eventually got leaked of Hogan saying horrific
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: racist things. It's an interesting thing because you hear from
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of black wrestlers today and I've read from
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Teddy Long, from Devon Dudley, from Mark Henry, and they
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: were all praising Hulk Hogan. So I don't know how
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: he handled this situation to the masses, but it seems
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: like to a lot of wrestlers he handled this post
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: racism a like you know, outing well with some wrestlers,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but for a lot of people, he didn't handle it well.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He didn't show any remorse, he didn't do what he
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to be done to gain the love and support of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. I mean, a lot of people
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: did not forgive Hulk Hogan for these racist rants. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: then he doubled down on not being liked by people
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: by supporting Donald Trump, who was a very polarizing figure
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: in the world. I don't know if you haven't heard
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: about that, but a lot of people don't like Donald
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Trump apparently, and Hogan doubled down and was there during
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, the election run and was you know, fully
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: supporting Donald Trump. So he had a lot of negativity
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in the last decade of his life, from his marriage
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and family falling apart to the racist leak that came
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: out to aligning himself with Trump. And his last public
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: appearance on television was at Monday Night Raw's debut on
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Netflix earlier this year, and Hogan was booed out of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the building. That's the last image that majority of the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: people that watch pro wrestling saw of the Hulkster was
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that image of him being boed out of the arena.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And it's actually really said, in my mind, it is
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: sad that that's the legacy for a lot of people
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of Hulk Hogan is those last couple of years. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I can understand, like I said at the beginning of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: this long winded rant, that I can understand why people
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: haven't forgave Hulk Hogan. And if you want to live
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that way, by all means do it. I'm not going
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to tell you who to like and who to not like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: but I like to look at the good things that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he's done, the good things that he did for the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: wrestling business, the amount of money these performers are getting
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: right now, you have to thank Hulk Hogan. Anytime Hogan
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was on the card. Everyone want to be on the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: card with Hulk Hogan because they were going to get
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: paid the most amount of money. All the merchandise that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: these guys are selling right now in this business, you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: have to thank Hulk Hogan. All the iconic moments and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: rivalries and promos that the Hulkster put out through all
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: these years, those stuff, those images and moments are going
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to be timeless. And was he the best in ring wrestler. No,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was he the best person from a lot of wrestler's perspectives. No,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But he's certainly the biggest name in the history of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the business of pro wrestling, and he is immortal in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the sense that he will always be remembered. So I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: like to remember the good in people. You hear a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: lot of good charitable deeds that Hogan did, you know
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: with the Make a Wish Foundation. So even though Terry
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Bulea was a flawed man, I'd like to still give
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: tribute to the great Hulk Hogan, who passed away this
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: past week at seventy one years old.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Justin thank you for giving us that perspective on his
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: earlier career and the things that he's done.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: But now that the fluff piece is over.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Let's get into the side of Houk Hogan that he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: been most known for in these last couple of years.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: As I would put it, the real Hokgan. We'll Hogan
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: in TNA.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to we'll get
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to Hogan's debacle with TNA. But but it is interesting
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you brought up that that reality show really did destroy Hogan.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It really opened up their marriage and put their kids
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in the spotlight and gave their kids even bigger egos.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And eventually his son Nick crashed a vehicle.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: We'll get into that. We'll get into it. I'll tell
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: you right now, I kind of I know what I know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like it. I feel like we're building
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: him up, going to just we're gonna break it down.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to break it down. So let's get
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: into it. Hogan, Hogan's kid goes to prison. His friend,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: who I believe was a marine or some sort of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: military member, uh, pretty much is brain dead after this,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and Hogan uh tries to cheer up his son, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I think says something awful about the marine or the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: military guy basically being a bad person, and that was
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: sort of another thing like, Okay, Hogan's like bashing this
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: guy who doesn't have a brain right now and his
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: son pretty much ruined his life.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: But uh, I believe he said a certain I believe
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: he made a certain certain comments about what he felt
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: like karma would be for him and his family.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what what he scared of? I don't know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: do we get that audio?
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: It's kind of it's kind of a little distorted, but uh,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: what is he saying along the lines of He's like
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: he's scared that basically his family would come back as niggas.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Basically he'd be scared if they would his family would
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: come back as black folks.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was definitely.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, basically more for a year than he had. But
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: like if you just if you go, if you can
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: find you can find all.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: This audio, Yeah, this is the audio I believe of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: him talking about Brook's boyfriend.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, what he said about Brook, what he alluded
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: to Brook, I'm trying to remember, Uh, alluded to something
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: that basically like that's uh, basically sense of like you
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: as long as you don't deal, you could find anybody long.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: It's like an eight foot tall nigga, what yo like?
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Why are you even put Why is that word evening
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: your vocabulary?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: My god?
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So let's get to the to the downfall of Hault Cogain.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: His son goes to prison for you know, the vehicular incident,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and then eventually he does film a sex tape that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: he doesn't even know is being filmed with his then
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: friend Bubba the Love Sponge, and eventually that sex tape
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: does get released illegally through Gawker, and there's a whole
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: lawsuit that takes place. But there's audio that is released
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: from the sex tape which has Hogan saying these derogatory
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: things towards black people. In the meantime, he has joined
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: TNA Wrestling, and that's a whole clusterfuck of a thing
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: right there, with a lot of creative control. But let's
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: get to the downfall of Hogan where he says these
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: racist things. And he does win the lawsuit versus Gawker,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: but I think he would have traded all that money
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in the world for his legacy being tarnished because he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: caught saying these racist things. He gets fired by the WWE,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because he gets rehired back by them, and he's pretty
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: much been hated for the last ten years.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: And then when they ask him, when when he finally
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: does come back and they ask him apologize, basically he
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: gave He gave a nope. He basically gave a non apologies,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: basically said uh. He basically said to a certain degree, well,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: you know, you gotta be careful of these cameras.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, bro, what the fuck? What the what?
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's not
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: a fucking apology, Hogan.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I'm always of the mindset if you make a mistake,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you are allowed to redeem yourself, unless you're raping somebody
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: or murdering somebody or doing something really unthinkable like that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: But I think if you say really bad words or
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: even do something really bad, I'm always of the mindset
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that you could change, even if you're old, even if
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you're fifty six years old. I've seen it before in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: real life. I've seen it in the documentary. I've seen
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: people legitimately want to become better. Where I think I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: agree with you, Corey is he never showed that he
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to actually change. He didn't take any steps to
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: prove that he's a change man, because you know, like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you said. When he spoke to the wrestlers, he was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: more cautious with telling them to avoid being caught on
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: camera saying racist things instead of saying, I fucked up.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Let me prove it to you that I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a good guy. Let me do some charitable work. Let
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: me talk to you guys one on one. Let me
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: find out why you're bad. You always hear about this
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: when people say anti Semitic things. Julian Edelman, who's a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: famous Jewish athlete, he'll say something along the lines of,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: why don't you come over, We'll have a nice dinner,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: we'll discuss why you're what you're saying is wrong, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: he offers up that sort of redemption with these people.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: But Hogan never went out of his way to find redemption.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Just I just want to help people out.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Just understand some of the things he said, because I'm
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: trying to get some statements, because I know if you
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: didn't hear this quote from Hogan. So gets to the
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: point where I don't know if Brooke was fucking a
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: black guy, a black guy's son, or they've been hanging out,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: hanging out and I'll quote them holding hands together on tour,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: they were getting close con of fucking. I'm not a
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: double stand this type of guy. I'm a racist, to
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: a point, a self admitted racist. He admitted, I am racist.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: You know, fucking niggers, he said to er. He said that,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: But then when it comes I'm like, bro, what the
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: fuck are you talking about?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean again. Well it's also to say that,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: not that that makes it right, but he was did
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: not know he was being filmed. I'm not saying that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: makes it right, but he did not know he was
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: being filmed. So that's just a weird situation.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: To me, that makes it worse because guess what. So
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: what that tells you is he's putting up a front
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: to everybody else. It's like, you see who this person
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: he want you to be, But behind closed doors, he
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: don't give a fuck about you. And mind you, black
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: folks were some of his biggest fans force, We were
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: some of his biggest supporters. But once you show us
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: you don't fuck with us, after a while, we stopped
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: fucking with you.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And I still think he could have redeemed himself. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: think even though he said all those dead things, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: think if he if he genuinely felt sorry and and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: showed people like Mark Henry and Shelton Benjamin and MVP,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: all these wrestlers that are black that he wanted to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: change and he felt bad, but he never took those steps.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: He never took any accountability for what those words were said.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that's part of his downfall for sure.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And that's been a stain on him.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: A lot of black wrestlers to this day, including like
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: you said, Shelton MVP, lost tons of respect for him,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: and I think he got to I think it gets
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: to a point where now like he goes out to Raw,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: he's getting booed like he like his last Raw appearance,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: he got booed out of the fucking and you had
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: most people go back on social media and say, I'm
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: glad I was the fucking person that boot him.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I was a part of that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Like they claim to fame that night, on that night,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: that Netflix night, was the fact that they said I
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: got the boo hoole code I got. I got to
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: boot that motherfucker basically. And you notice some people, like
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: there's some people who with his pass, and you know
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: there's some people who really don't don't give a fuck
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: about it. Oh.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I see it all over social media the last day.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: People are either heartbroken for this thing, uh, for for
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Terry Blea hul Cogan's passing, or they're celebrating the passing.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And I think hul Cogan is such an interesting human being,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: an interesting character, a very flawed individual for sure, to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: say the least.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where we could separate Terry buleya
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in hul Cogan. Now, Terry Belaya also did do some
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: good things. Whenever you hear about the Make a Wish
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: kids like hul Hogan, Terry Blea was always so good
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: with them. And now you've also seen a lot of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: wrestlers come out and say how much they helped them,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Guys like Goldberg and Nash and DDP and Mick Foley
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and Triple H and all these people. Undertaker even with
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a know a salute to hulkkin So's it's he's such
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a complicated character. But I can understand why people hate him.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I can UNDERSTANOK.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: My thing is, I can understand how people, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: praise him for what he's done in the in the
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: in the wrestling industry, but at the same time, I'm
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: not gonna bash those those black folks who you know
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: feel a certain way because you gotta write to feel
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: that way about that person because he said things that
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: like to you, to you as a person will be like, okay,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: I'm trying remember what's the clippers on the clippers? Donald
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Donald Donald Sterling. When he said those things that he said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: it was fuck him too. I'm like, I'm give a
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: fuck that you lost your team when you say when
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: you say crazy out of pocket ship like you're not
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: gonna get celebrated. Like and now, mind you, these people
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: in the industry that we know is super conservative, we
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: don't really give a fuck that they're super conservative. That
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: that that that's the way you live. Like under we
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: don't undertake a super conservative blue lives mad and everything.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: We never heard a racist thing from him, and.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: People fuck with the Undertaker Rick Flick. There's been stories
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: about him making Rachel marks towards certain people, but you
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: know what he did. He had a fucking rebrand. He
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: didn't get caught saying it out loud. He had a
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: fucking rebrand. And it's like, okay, people fucking Oh. There's
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: There's also a lot of people that don't fuck with
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Rick Flair, and I'm also one of them. I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Rick Flair, I think Rick Fleer, you know his real birthday.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I think he's a scumback.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I think people.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I think people, uh they they know about his sexual
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: escapade and his sexual I don't want to say, I
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: can't allegations of sexual assault, allegations of sexual assault.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Showing his penis when people don't want to see it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Most famously, like I'm trying to remember this from Hell
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: playing Roight from Hell, and then his multiple WWE stories
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: like like they made a cartoon.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're joking about it like flash. People like, Okay,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: well you can't do that, Rick Flair.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: And it's like but then you you look at like
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: the like the history in the culture of WWE, like
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: you have guys like Swerve strictly who called out these
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: things about like Vince McMahon, Vince McMahon saying niggative Booker
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: t like just flat out and and Vince mc man Josh, Josh,
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: you got that audio listen man in the Great Woods.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Of gold Bird. Guess what.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: You're next.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: We will be putting something on a grill that day.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yes, I think, uh vincechmick Man has already
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: hated enough at this point that there will be celebrations
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for sure when he passes away.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: But this was just the pre as most people say,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: this is, this was just the pre game today that yesterday.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So this is where we differentiate. I think Hulk Hogan
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: the character and and Terry Belay are the human being
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: because his impact as far as a pro wrestler to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: give all these people money, there would be no wrestlemaning.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: People wouldn't be getting these giant contracts, there would be
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: no action figures, and maybe eventually a along the line
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: something would develop. And I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: have happened without Hogan, but it wouldn't have happened that quick,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: with that amount of success. Without Hulk Hogan. All these
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: guys oh a giant face, a giant debt to that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: character of Hulk Hogan. Guys like the Rock that we
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: saw his social media posts, there would be no Rock,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: there would be no Miss. I'm not saying the Miss
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: is on the Rocks level, but so many of these
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: people were so influenced by Hull comania to start wrestling
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: by watching him edge edge was a giant whole comania.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I can appeared that wrestling.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Like basically to me, if you if you're over forty
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: and white, you comania. Yeah, you're probably gonna deny, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: most likely see him Punk. Yeah, even seeing Punk probably
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: was a whole comania.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point he cheered Hogan on.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: You got most got l A.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Knight, You got multiple guys, Matt Cardona, you got multiple
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: guys who came out and you know, basically showed up.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: You know how they looked. They had to fake mustache
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: and everything like that. I mean, like I said, he
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of there was there was a
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: lot of impact things that he's done in the industry.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of negative things as far as not
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: even just talking about the racism and ship like.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: That, holding back to creative control, all that stuff, the steroids,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a lying on our Citney Hall Show, choking out Richard Belger.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: There's a throw.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: He's not single handedly, but he had a big part
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: in the destruction of TNA, because people forget that. Going
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: before he came to TNA, him and Ry Pischel, they
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: were on a good run. You had, you had your
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: young superstars, you had the X division, You had everything
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: set in place, and then they come they they say,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: you know what, this ring doesn't work.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: For me for foresights, We're gonna go for size.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: It was believe with six sides, the sixth SyES go
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: go to four.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: If you can't I forgot.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: There's a famous quote that if you can't draw, if
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: if everybody's changing, the channel's brother, we don't want you.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I'm like, basically he shipped on a lot of people
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: in the DNA, and I think that like people had
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: that mindset after after he left it, that m Bischoff
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: and Dixie Carter they totally destroyed TNA.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And you could make the argument also without him helping
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the younger talent and starting to push the younger talent
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: in wc W, they ruined that company. Even though he
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: gave w CW the biggest rub that they've ever had.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: There would have been no booming w c W, but
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: they might not have gone out of business because they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: would have started pushing younger talent.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Well to that point, I would I would I would
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: push back because I would say that he kind of
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: leached off of a situation because you had Kevin n
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Ash Scott hole an X Pop, I mean six or
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: six bringing in that cool factor who they say, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: we influenced by We're influenced.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: By rap music and West Coast West.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Coast rap and everything like that, And he said, you
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: know what, these guys are cool, I'm going to hitch
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: my bandwagon to them, and then you know, you get the.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Instances with uh.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: But that's just smart.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: With Dennis Rodman, He's like, you know, you're gonna have
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: one of the biggest bad boys with one of the
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: biggest bad boys in wrestling right now.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: But again I look at that as being a smart businessman.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: He knew he wasn't hip, so he had to align
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: himself with Hall and Nash. He knew Rodman was the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: biggest story in the NBA around that time with Michael
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Jordan and the Utah Jazz going up against and.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Then those guys permanently became a stood Just like outside
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: of Kevin Nash, Scott Hall never was able to progress
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: to being a World championshabag well.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: That's to his own problems with his substance abuse issues.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: And it was like even with the finger polk of doom,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: even in that instant, Kevin Nash got little Bro, like
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: he won the title, he won the Big one and
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: then got Little Bro.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well let's go over this though,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Hogan Terry Blair did die of cardiac arrest
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: at his home in Clearwader, Florida, yesterday of this recording,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, at the age of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: seventy one, and his death came a month after he
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: underwent major spinal fusion surgery, and there was denial for
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a number of weeks that he was in bad health.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Hard just like the day before karaoke Brother Jimmy,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was he doing it from his deathbad?
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Hart was like, He's like, he's perfectly funreaky fine brother,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: perfectly fun. And it was like this, he couldn't kick out.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: He couldn't kick out.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So it's been interesting for sure. So in final finality,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: what do you think his legacy is Corey? Is it Hulkemania,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: is it the nWo or is it the last ten
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: years of him being an out cast for a lot
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: It depends on who you ask.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And we haven't even got into I know we're running
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: out of time. But also he aligned himself with Donald
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Trump and that was a big thing.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Maga brother, and don't forget real American beer. Yeah, it's
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: like just the it depends on who. It depends on who.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: It depends on who you ask, because if you acts
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: most I want to say, if you asks like down
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: WWE fans like gives something that like I'll put like
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: this three categories. Right, you asked the regular the regular
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: white wrestling fan, they'll probably say one of the greatest
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: wrestlers of all time.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: He helped, he helped wrestling too what it is today.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Then you have.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: You have the the WWE fan, the guy that no
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: matter if he's black, white, or whatever, WW is is
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: thinking he's going to defend ww no matter what.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And whole Cogan even though he said that ship can.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Do no wrong in their eyes, Like I said, black
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: or white, that WW fan will defend him to the end.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: And stuff's like if you say anything negative about who
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Coogan say, why are you doing this?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: And why are you saying? Is let that man rest
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: is like?
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: And then you have the guy you have black folks
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: and most most people who view him as why the
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: funk should all give a fuck about this racist? Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: like just you did what you did, like as far
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: as in the industry, kudos, but I could give two fucks.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Where do I sit that?
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Where do I sit? I fall into a weird category.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I'll wear it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I fall I personally fall into the I really could
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: give to fuck, I really could give to fucks. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I was like this, I know what you did. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: can I can acknowledge what you did for wrestling, like,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: I don't have no problem. I don't have no problem
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: doing that. I have no problem given giving him you
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: give him his praise. But at the same time, I
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: know what the fuck you are. I know what the
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: fuck you did. And I'm just like I personally because
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: people look at me crazy if I'm like Dick riding
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: for a whole cold. He was like damn. He was like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: we wonder who you voted for. They would look at
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: they would look at me very coolish.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I can't have that on my I can't have that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: on my stripe. So you would not.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I know you are a big fan of wearing jerseys
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and whatnot, And somebody questioned some of the attire that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you wear for time to time in Eagles jersey here
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and there, would you not be rocking a hul Comania shirt.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: At any point in your life, you would wear an
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: nw OH shirt.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I bet I would wear.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: In Wiosha, yeah, because that was a collective. I would
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: wear in the Wosha because that's.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: A hul Comania.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Though. I don't know if I could do the full
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: hul Comania.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I couldn't beat James. I couldn't beat James Harden. You
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: seen James Harden at Fanatics.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: No, was he rocking it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: James Harden came out in a full hulk Hogan. He said,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: you know he was called James Hogan.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Oh what's wild?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, And it was like he had the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: beard he had and Dan had to he ripped his shirt.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: He did everything. I couldn't do.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: That to quote young thug, just to chime in here,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: James Harden don't have internet. That that that's what happened,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: that James Harden don't have internet. To stick up from
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: my bearded brother. That's my quick one.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: They didn't know Hogan was saying all these things.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Josh, cool question because Josh, since you hear we really.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, outsider, what do you think of Hogan?
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah? What do you think of Hogan? What do you
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: fall in this line? Because you're not the biggest wrestling.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not, but I will say I think a
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: balance has been struck between you two of Yes, as
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: far as the legacy, you know, I had a thought
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: as y'all were going and just making an NBA comparison
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: because basketball is my sport, like that's my interest. The
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant legacy is an interesting parallel to me Jean
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: off the Dome because like great legacy, multiple time champion.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: When you think of the NBA.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: You might think of a couple names here and there
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: before you get to Kobe, like Lebron and Jordan, but
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: he's probably in the top three of the names, like
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: people in our age group think of. But at the
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: same time, he did have to pay a settlement because
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: he raped the woman in Colorado, among other things like
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: treating teammates like trash and all that. But you talk
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: to me, I'm like, yo, Kobe was that guy?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yo?
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, I love Kobe. So it's interesting separating the
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: art from the artists in a way, gift flaws is
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: gonna get shown.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Like they said, like flow, like most of us ain't perfect,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: but we don't do shit like that. Were in public
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: where we can get like where we can get our
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: own selves crucified.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I just want to double down on this statement. I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: think everyone is flawed, like you said, and everyone makes mistakes.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It's what you do when you make the mistake and
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: how you handle that mistake that really shows what your characters.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: There's been plenty of people that have done really bad
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: things that have ended their lives being beloved, and I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: think that's the big thing where Hogan truly fucked up.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: He fucked up, and he could have saved himself. He
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: could have been the last ten years. He could have
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: spent the last ten years hanging out at YMCA's, hanging
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: out at fundraisers for the black community. He could have
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: learned to be a better person and showed the dedication.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: But he never did that. I would say majority of
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: these wrestlers that grew up in the seventies and eighties,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: we're probably saying ten times worse things than Hogan.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, most definitely.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: But he always said was instead apologize, he said defences
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: watching watch it. Hey, look when you have all these
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: you have these you have some conservatives, and you have
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: people going like Charlie Kirk and only people, why are
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: you doing this I feel like, oh my god, you
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: got the audio. You got the audio. Oh man, That's
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: how I feel when when when he was like, come on,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: have some compassion, see have some decency. I don't got
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: to do none of that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing fall from grace. It's several falls from graces.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: It's a guy who fell, picked himself up, fell again,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: picked himself up, and now he's falling. And it's gonna
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: be interesting what the next five ten years brings to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: his legacy. It's gonna be interesting even tonight as we
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: record this Friday night SmackDown is gonna be later tonighting.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: How is he gonna be handled? How's the audience gonna
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: be handling?
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Well are they gonna cheer? They gonna boo?
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: They already had.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: I believe that is a report already out saying that
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: WW has halted everything and told everybody shift your focus
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: to whole Colgan. Basically, it's like this, most likely you
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: know you're gonna get Tim bel salu At start go
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: and get a couple of packages throughout it, through throughout
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I believe they're gonna have Cody. They're gonna have Cody.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Now, they're gonna have Cody come out give like a
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: speech and talked about how IMPACTU Hulk Cogan was to
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: the industry. Now, I wonder who's gonna be that guy
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: that comes out in the colors.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna come out in the colors.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: The red and yellow?
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Yes, who's Montes Carmelo? Hey Carmelo Hayes. You bet now?
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: You bet now?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Don't don't let them set you up like this black man.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: You know. It's it's also just bizarre because you know
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: his name, the immortal Hulkgan when you were a kid,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. He just never expected a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: guy like this to die. It's sort of I always
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: thought of like Rick Flair as Megatron and Optimist Prime
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: being Hulk Cogan, and she's never thought Optimist Prime would die. Eventually,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: he did die in the Transformers movie nineteen eighty six,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: But you just always thought Hogan was always going to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: be around he because he never really aged. He always
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: kind of looked the same as like, there's no way
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Hogan is dying.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: This is my last one. This is my last one.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: When when he you know, he you know, he got
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: a tattoo on.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: His back, right or does it say some religious thing no,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it says immortal, oh, immortal.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Grim Reap was like like Lebron too we eazy, to eazy,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: too we eazy.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, come on man, he was like the
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: grim Reap became I was like, are you read.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Basically I forgot that. I forgot that. That's that's that's what. Wait,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: actually cute that other audio up.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: And then it was like before we go because he
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: does have one final actual legacy move that he does
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: have and what is that real wrestling with Eric Bischoff.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I believe that's going to continue. I'm hearing
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: that's going to be airing on Fox News, which is
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: an interesting place to have a sport being aired on.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: But I hope we did a good job of at
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: least going over the history of Hulk Hogan and short
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of painting a picture of what his life and career was.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: So I felt as though we gave a fear and
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: balanced perspective of Hulk Hogan, his highs, his highs, his
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: super high, his lows, and everything in between. Because I
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: felt like we did, like I'm like, as much as
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I was kind of like kind of going crazy at
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: the end on him, you got to give me credit.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: I gave him his praise at the start.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean you're you did a fair balanced job,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like you said, I was. Regardless of everything, he's going
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: to be remembered. He is on that Mount Rushmore Pro Wrestling.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't dance on I didn't dance on
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: his grave or anything.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: He did a good job for I think we did both.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: All three of us did a great job with this,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you know, tribute episode in the sense to.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: But to sign off, this is the this is the
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: whin the bell rings.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: With Corey David, Justin Greenberg and the great words in
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: the in the words of Hulk Hogan, each vitamins, say
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: your praise and don't do a second. Don't do Royd's
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: when he says, when I say when I say each vitamins,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: I mean actually eat vitamins, don't do roids. Don't take
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: the easy way out, and say your prays because the
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: way world, the world is right there. You're gonna need them.