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Dave Miles Pt 1: Diagnosing the System
What if the “problem person” isn’t the problem at all? We sit down with Dr. Dave Miles of Vital Church to unpack how Family Systems Theory reveals the hidden dynamics that keep churches anxious, reactive, and stuck—and how non‑anxious leadership creates room for real change. Dave traces a formative interim pastorate that ended in a blowup, the Friedman books that reframed his perspective, and the moment he realized visible conflicts are often symptoms of deeper patterns layered into a church’s history.
Across the conversation, we challenge the myth that sameness equals intimacy, showing why…
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