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What If John the Baptist Survived? Exploring Alternate Histories · Systematic Geekology

• 1:14
  What
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  if
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  we
• 1:16
  gathered
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  together
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  two
• 1:19
  trailblazers
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  and
• 1:21
  all
• 1:21
  stars
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  when
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  it
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  comes
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  to
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  the
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  engagement
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  between
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  pop
• 1:24
  culture,
• 1:24
  geek
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  culture,
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  and
• 1:25
  theology,
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  and
• 1:27
  then
• 1:27
  we
• 1:27
  put
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  them
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  in
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  a
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  sandbox
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  and
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  gave
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  them
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  some
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  what
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  if
• 1:30
  scenarios
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  and
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  just
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  let
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  them
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  go
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  to
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  town.
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  What
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  would
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  happen?
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  Well,
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  that
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  is
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  what's
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  going
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  to
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  happen
• 1:34
  on
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  this
• 1:35
  episode
• 1:36
  of,
• 1:36
  of
• 1:37
  Systematic
• 1:38
  Geekology.
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  And
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  I
• 1:39
  can
• 1:39
  be
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  more
• 1:39
  excited
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  to
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  hang
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  out
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  with
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  two
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  of
• 1:41
  my
• 1:41
  favorite
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  legendary
• 1:43
  geekologists.
• 1:44
  Dr.
• 1:45
  Fuller,
• 1:45
  Dr.
• 1:46
  McGrath,
• 1:46
  how
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  are
• 1:46
  we
• 1:47
  feeling
• 1:47
  this
• 1:47
  evening?
• 1:47
  What's
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  happening?
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  Oh,
• 1:49
  yeah,
• 1:50
  pumped.
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  Are
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  you
• 1:51
  pumped?
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  Yeah.
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  I
• 1:53
  want
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  to
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  put
• 1:53
  geekologist
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  on
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  my
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  business
• 1:55
  cards.
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  I
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  mean.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  I,
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  I,
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  I
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  love
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  that
• 1:58
  word
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  and
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  we
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  use
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  it
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  a
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  lot.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  if
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  you
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  have
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  something
• 2:02
  you
• 2:02
  geek
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  out
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  on
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  and
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  then
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  you
• 2:03
  go
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  a
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  little
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  deeper
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  into
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  it,
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  an
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  archeologist
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  or,
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  or
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  a
• 2:07
  geologist,
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  you
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  go
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  beneath
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  the
• 2:09
  surface,
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  it's
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  a
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  little,
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  little
• 2:10
  bit
• 2:10
  deeper.
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  And
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  then,
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  and
• 2:11
  then
• 2:11
  you
• 2:11
  start
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  to
• 2:12
  discover
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  new,
• 2:13
  new
• 2:13
  wonderful
• 2:13
  things
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  in
• 2:14
  geek.
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  The
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  geek
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  world,
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  the
• 2:16
  fandom,
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  the
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  whatever
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  you
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  nerd
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  out
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  out
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  or
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  geek
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  out
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  on.
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  Then,
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  then
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  consider
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  yourself
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  a
• 2:21
  geekologist
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  put
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  on
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  your
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  card.
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  And
• 2:23
  we
• 2:23
  love
• 2:24
  doing
• 2:24
  that.
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  So,
• 2:25
  so,
• 2:25
  Tripp
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  and
• 2:26
  James,
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  here's
• 2:26
  what's
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  going
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  on.
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  This
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  is
• 2:28
  what
• 2:28
  we
• 2:29
  call
• 2:29
  one
• 2:29
  of
• 2:29
  our
• 2:29
  discord
• 2:30
  poll
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  episodes.
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  So
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  we
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  pull
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  put
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  it
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  into
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  the
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  hands
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  of
• 2:33
  the
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  people
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  and
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  we
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  and
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  the
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  people
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  have
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  spoken.
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  Now
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  it's
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  only
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  a
• 2:37
  handful
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  of
• 2:38
  people,
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  but
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  there
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  are
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  people
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  still.
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  Indeed.
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  And
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  so
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  since,
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  since
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  in
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  the
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  midst
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  of
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  our
• 2:43
  Discord
• 2:44
  poll,
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  one
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  of
• 2:45
  my
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  things
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  that
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  was
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  at
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  the
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  top,
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  or
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  at
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  least
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  tied
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  with
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  other
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  things
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  that's
• 2:51
  we're
• 2:51
  going
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  because
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  I'm
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  the
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  tie,
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  I'm
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  the
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  tiebreaker
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  here.
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  So
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  is
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  this
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  a
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  discord
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  for
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  people
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  that
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  are
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  members
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  of
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  the
• 2:59
  systematic
• 2:59
  ecology
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  community?
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  You're,
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  you're
• 3:01
  absolutely
• 3:02
  right,
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  Tripp.
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  Man.
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  Man,
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  what
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  an
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  elect,
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  illustrious
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  collection
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  of
• 3:07
  people.
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  If
• 3:08
  I
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  was
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  listening
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  to
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  this
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  podcast
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  and
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  wasn't
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  a
• 3:10
  member,
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  I
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  would
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  say,
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  oh,
• 3:12
  junk,
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  I
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  better
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  hop
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  on
• 3:13
  over
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  right
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  now,
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  perhaps
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  to
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  captivate
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  link
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  that
• 3:16
  TJ
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  is
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  going
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  to
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  read
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  at
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  some
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  point.
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  Yeah.
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  During
• 3:20
  this
• 3:21
  or
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  the
• 3:21
  Patreon
• 3:22
  or
• 3:22
  they're
• 3:23
  going
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  to
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  give
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  me
• 3:23
  links
• 3:24
  probably
• 3:24
  in
• 3:24
  the
• 3:24
  show
• 3:24
  description.
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  I'm
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  going
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  to
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  click
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  that
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  junk.
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  That
• 3:27
  way
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  I
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  can
• 3:27
  vote
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  on
• 3:27
  the
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  next.
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  What
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  if
• 3:28
  you,
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  you
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  can.
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  What
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  if
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  Tripp
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  doesn't
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  come
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  back
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  on
• 3:31
  again
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  because
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  he
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  inserts
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  random
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  ads
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  and
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  unsolicited
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  like
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  that.
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  And
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  I
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  knew
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  this
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  might
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  happen.
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  And
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  so
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  even
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  though
• 3:38
  I
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  have
• 3:38
  my,
• 3:38
  my
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  written
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  out
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  ad
• 3:39
  there,
• 3:39
  make
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  sure
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  I
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  remember
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  because
• 3:40
  Joshua
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  wants
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  me
• 3:41
  to
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  remember.
• 3:42
  Those
• 3:42
  things.
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  knew
• 3:43
  Tripp
• 3:43
  would.
• 3:43
  Would
• 3:43
  come
• 3:43
  in
• 3:44
  and.
• 3:44
  And
• 3:44
  help
• 3:45
  me
• 3:45
  out
• 3:45
  with
• 3:45
  that
• 3:45
  stuff.
• 3:46
  Yeah.
• 3:46
  And
• 3:47
  I
• 3:47
  also
• 3:47
  want
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  say,
• 3:47
  you
• 3:48
  know,
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  mean,
• 3:48
  if
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  want
• 3:48
  to.
• 3:48
  If
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  want
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  be
• 3:49
  able
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  vote
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  make
• 3:50
  sure
• 3:50
  that
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  never
• 3:51
  appear
• 3:51
  on
• 3:51
  the
• 3:52
  show
• 3:52
  again,
• 3:52
  you
• 3:53
  know,
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  mean,
• 3:53
  you
• 3:53
  gotta.
• 3:54
  You
• 3:54
  know,
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  gotta
• 3:54
  subscribe.
• 3:55
  You
• 3:55
  gotta
• 3:55
  become
• 3:55
  a
• 3:56
  supporter.
• 3:56
  Oh,
• 3:56
  you.
• 3:56
  You
• 3:57
  guys
• 3:57
  better
• 3:57
  be.
• 3:58
  Be
• 3:58
  like,
• 3:58
  we
• 3:59
  love
• 3:59
  this
• 3:59
  episode
• 3:59
  so
• 3:59
  much.
• 4:00
  We
• 4:00
  want
• 4:00
  them
• 4:00
  a
• 4:01
  regular
• 4:01
  host.
• 4:01
  And
• 4:01
  then
• 4:02
  every
• 4:02
  week,
• 4:02
  you're
• 4:02
  on
• 4:02
  a
• 4:03
  new
• 4:03
  episode
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  Systemicology.
• 4:04
  That
• 4:04
  could
• 4:04
  happen.
• 4:05
  It
• 4:05
  could
• 4:05
  happen.
• 4:05
  Or
• 4:05
  at
• 4:05
  least
• 4:06
  on
• 4:06
  a
• 4:06
  geek
• 4:06
  stage
• 4:06
  at
• 4:06
  beer
• 4:07
  camp.
• 4:07
  Oh.
• 4:07
  Ooh.
• 4:08
  Oh,
• 4:08
  that
• 4:09
  could
• 4:09
  happen.
• 4:09
  So.
• 4:10
  So
• 4:10
  let
• 4:10
  me
• 4:10
  get.
• 4:10
  So
• 4:11
  what
• 4:11
  won
• 4:11
  this
• 4:12
  poll?
• 4:12
  What.
• 4:12
  What
• 4:13
  rose
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  top?
• 4:14
  What
• 4:15
  will
• 4:15
  Rose
• 4:15
  put
• 4:16
  at
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  top
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  the.
• 4:18
  Of
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  poll
• 4:18
  is
• 4:19
  what
• 4:20
  if
• 4:20
  we
• 4:21
  got
• 4:21
  all
• 4:21
  Doctor
• 4:22
  who,
• 4:22
  Tabby
• 4:23
  Wimey,
• 4:24
  and
• 4:24
  traveled
• 4:24
  to
• 4:25
  an
• 4:25
  alternate
• 4:25
  timeline
• 4:26
  where
• 4:26
  John
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  Baptist
• 4:27
  was
• 4:27
  never
• 4:27
  beheaded
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  witnessed
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  experienced
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  crucifixion
• 4:31
  and
• 4:32
  resurrection?
• 4:33
  How
• 4:33
  would
• 4:33
  Christendom
• 4:34
  be
• 4:34
  different?
• 4:34
  How
• 4:34
  would
• 4:35
  our
• 4:35
  faith
• 4:35
  be?
• 4:35
  How
• 4:35
  would
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  church
• 4:36
  be
• 4:36
  different?
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  mean,
• 4:37
  James,
• 4:38
  Dr.
• 4:38
  McGrath
• 4:38
  wrote
• 4:39
  a
• 4:39
  book
• 4:39
  on
• 4:39
  John
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  Baptist,
• 4:40
  and
• 4:41
  I.
• 4:41
  Don'T
• 4:42
  think
• 4:42
  there's
• 4:42
  just
• 4:42
  one.
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  think
• 4:43
  there's
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  few.
• 4:44
  I
• 4:44
  think
• 4:44
  there's
• 4:44
  a
• 4:44
  few.
• 4:45
  There's
• 4:46
  two
• 4:46
  books
• 4:46
  on
• 4:46
  John
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  Baptist.
• 4:47
  So
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  can't
• 4:47
  wait
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  hear
• 4:48
  his
• 4:48
  speculation
• 4:49
  and.
• 4:49
  And.
• 4:50
  And.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:51
  to
• 4:51
  hear
• 4:51
  how
• 4:52
  Tripp
• 4:52
  will
• 4:52
  react
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  those
• 4:53
  things.
• 4:53
  That's
• 4:53
  what
• 4:53
  we're
• 4:53
  gonna
• 4:53
  do.
• 4:53
  But
• 4:54
  before
• 4:54
  we
• 4:54
  do
• 4:54
  that,
• 4:54
  as
• 4:55
  Tripp
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  James
• 4:56
  shared,
• 4:57
  we
• 4:57
  encourage
• 4:57
  you
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  rate
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  review
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  show.
• 5:00
  We
• 5:00
  want
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  support
• 5:01
  and
• 5:02
  join,
• 5:03
  whether
• 5:04
  it's
• 5:04
  Patreon
• 5:05
  and.
• 5:06
  And
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  want
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  give
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  monetary
• 5:08
  value
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  that
• 5:08
  fine
• 5:09
  or
• 5:09
  free
• 5:10
  or
• 5:10
  Discord
• 5:11
  or
• 5:11
  our
• 5:11
  social
• 5:12
  medias,
• 5:12
  anything.
• 5:13
  We
• 5:13
  just
• 5:13
  want
• 5:13
  to
• 5:14
  engage
• 5:14
  with
• 5:14
  you
• 5:14
  and
• 5:14
  be
• 5:14
  a
• 5:15
  part
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  that.
• 5:15
  So
• 5:15
  we
• 5:15
  hope
• 5:15
  that
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  will
• 5:16
  engage
• 5:16
  with
• 5:17
  this
• 5:17
  episode
• 5:17
  and
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• 5:18
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• 5:18
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• 5:18
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• 5:19
  out
• 5:19
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• 5:20
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  subscribe
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• 5:21
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• 5:21
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• 5:22
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• 5:24
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• 5:25
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• 5:27
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• 5:29
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• 5:31
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  Patreon
• 5:31
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• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:33
  Ethan,
• 5:33
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
  Thanks
• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:36
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• 5:36
  me
• 5:37
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• 5:37
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• 5:38
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• 5:38
  North
• 5:38
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• 5:38
  Student
• 5:39
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• 5:39
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• 5:39
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• 5:40
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• 5:40
  And
• 5:42
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• 5:42
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• 5:42
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:44
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• 5:44
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• 5:46
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• 5:46
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• 5:47
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• 5:47
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• 5:47
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:50
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:51
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• 5:52
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• 5:53
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• 5:54
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• 5:54
  And
• 5:54
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:56
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
  Sunday
• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 6:00
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• 6:00
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• 6:00
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• 6:00
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
  Easter
• 6:01
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:04
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• 6:04
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• 6:05
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• 6:05
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:07
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:11
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
  We're
• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:18
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• 6:18
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• 6:19
  Some
• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
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• 6:21
  John
• 6:21
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• 6:22
  Baptist
• 6:22
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• 6:22
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• 6:23
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:26
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:27
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:28
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• 6:29
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• 6:29
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• 6:29
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:31
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• 6:31
  why
• 6:31
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• 6:31
  Some
• 6:31
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:33
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• 6:34
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:35
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:37
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• 6:38
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:45
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• 6:45
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• 6:45
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• 6:46
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• 6:46
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• 6:47
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• 6:48
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:49
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:50
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• 6:51
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• 6:51
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• 6:52
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• 6:52
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:54
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
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• 6:56
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• 6:57
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• 6:58
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• 6:58
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• 6:59
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• 7:00
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• 7:00
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• 7:00
  a
• 7:01
  times
• 7:01
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• 7:01
  long
• 7:01
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• 7:02
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• 7:02
  Of
• 7:03
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• 7:03
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• 7:05
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• 7:05
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:07
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:08
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• 7:11
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:12
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
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• 7:13
  Andor.
• 7:14
  Okay.
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• 7:15
  We've
• 7:16
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• 7:16
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• 7:16
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• 7:17
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• 7:17
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• 7:18
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• 7:18
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• 7:19
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• 7:19
  I'm
• 7:20
  in
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:21
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• 7:22
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• 7:22
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• 7:23
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• 7:23
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• 7:24
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• 7:24
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• 7:25
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• 7:26
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• 7:27
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• 7:27
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• 7:27
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• 7:27
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• 7:28
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• 7:28
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• 7:28
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• 7:29
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• 7:29
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• 7:29
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• 7:30
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• 7:30
  Andor
• 7:31
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• 7:31
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• 7:31
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• 7:32
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• 7:33
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• 7:33
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• 7:33
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• 7:33
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• 7:34
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• 7:35
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• 7:36
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• 7:36
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• 7:36
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• 7:36
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• 7:37
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• 7:37
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• 7:37
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• 7:37
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• 7:38
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:39
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• 7:40
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• 7:40
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• 7:40
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• 7:41
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• 7:41
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• 7:41
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• 7:42
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• 7:44
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• 7:44
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• 7:44
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• 7:44
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• 7:44
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• 7:45
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• 7:45
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• 7:45
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:46
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:47
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• 7:49
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• 7:49
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• 7:49
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:51
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• 7:52
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• 7:52
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• 7:53
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
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• 7:54
  a
• 7:54
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• 7:55
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• 7:55
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• 7:56
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• 7:56
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• 7:56
  God
• 7:56
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:57
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• 7:58
  have
• 7:58
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• 7:58
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• 7:59
  all
• 8:00
  of
• 8:00
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• 8:00
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• 8:01
  year's
• 8:01
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• 8:02
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• 8:02
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• 8:02
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• 8:02
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• 8:03
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
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• 8:04
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• 8:05
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• 8:05
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• 8:05
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• 8:06
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• 8:07
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• 8:07
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• 8:07
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• 8:08
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• 8:08
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• 8:08
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• 8:08
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• 8:09
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• 8:10
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:11
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• 8:12
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• 8:12
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• 8:12
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:13
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• 8:15
  And
• 8:16
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• 8:17
  I'm
• 8:17
  pretty
• 8:17
  optimistic
• 8:18
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• 8:18
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• 8:18
  going
• 8:19
  to
• 8:19
  have
• 8:19
  permission
• 8:20
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• 8:21
  You
• 8:21
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• 8:22
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• 8:22
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• 8:22
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• 8:24
  That
• 8:24
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
  lose
• 8:25
  a
• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:25
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• 8:26
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• 8:26
  we
• 8:26
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• 8:26
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• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  do
• 8:28
  an
• 8:28
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• 8:29
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• 8:30
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• 8:30
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• 8:31
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• 8:31
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• 8:31
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• 8:32
  Life
• 8:33
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• 8:33
  Brian
• 8:34
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• 8:34
  you
• 8:35
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• 8:35
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• 8:35
  we
• 8:36
  have
• 8:36
  some
• 8:36
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• 8:36
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• 8:37
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• 8:37
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• 8:37
  it
• 8:38
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• 8:39
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• 8:40
  That,
• 8:40
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• 8:41
  that's
• 8:41
  a
• 8:41
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• 8:41
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• 8:42
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• 8:42
  it
• 8:42
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• 8:42
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• 8:42
  folks.
• 8:43
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• 8:43
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• 8:43
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:44
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• 8:45
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• 8:45
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• 8:45
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• 8:45
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• 8:45
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• 8:46
  find
• 8:46
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• 8:47
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• 8:47
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• 8:47
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• 8:47
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• 8:48
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• 8:48
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• 8:48
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• 8:48
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• 8:48
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• 8:49
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• 8:49
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• 8:49
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• 8:50
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• 8:50
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• 8:51
  Why
• 8:51
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• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
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• 8:51
  them
• 8:52
  your
• 8:52
  random
• 8:53
  new
• 8:53
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• 8:53
  Couldn't
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  tell
• 8:54
  them
• 8:54
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:55
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• 8:56
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• 8:57
  But
• 8:58
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• 8:59
  so
• 8:59
  can.
• 8:59
  Can
• 9:00
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• 9:00
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• 9:00
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• 9:00
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• 9:01
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• 9:02
  you
• 9:02
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• 9:02
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• 9:02
  like
• 9:02
  the
• 9:03
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• 9:03
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• 9:03
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• 9:03
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• 9:04
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• 9:04
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• 9:04
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• 9:04
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• 9:05
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• 9:05
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• 9:05
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• 9:06
  We
• 9:06
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• 9:06
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• 9:06
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• 9:07
  live
• 9:07
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• 9:08
  from
• 9:08
  memory.
• 9:08
  Ah.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:09
  quote
• 9:10
  it
• 9:10
  all.
• 9:10
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• 9:10
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• 9:10
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• 9:11
  All
• 9:11
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• 9:11
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• 9:11
  We'll
• 9:11
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• 9:12
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• 9:12
  it.
• 9:12
  Yeah.
• 9:12
  Live
• 9:13
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• 9:13
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• 9:14
  theory.
• 9:14
  We're
• 9:14
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• 9:14
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• 9:15
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• 9:15
  chase
• 9:15
  Will
• 9:16
  around
• 9:16
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• 9:16
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• 9:16
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• 9:17
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• 9:17
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• 9:17
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• 9:18
  He
• 9:19
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• 9:19
  his
• 9:19
  sandal
• 9:20
  at
• 9:20
  us.
• 9:23
  I'm
• 9:23
  game.
• 9:23
  I'm
• 9:24
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• 9:24
  Yep.
• 9:25
  Yep.
• 9:25
  I'm
• 9:26
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• 9:26
  out
• 9:26
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• 9:26
  andor
• 9:27
  as
• 9:27
  well.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:29
  I,
• 9:29
  I'm
• 9:30
  loving
• 9:30
  the,
• 9:30
  the
• 9:30
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:31
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:32
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
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• 9:33
  God
• 9:34
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• 9:34
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• 9:34
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• 9:34
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• 9:35
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• 9:35
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• 9:35
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• 9:35
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• 9:36
  So
• 9:36
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• 9:36
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• 9:37
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• 9:37
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• 9:37
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• 9:37
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• 9:37
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• 9:38
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• 9:38
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• 9:38
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• 9:39
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• 9:39
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• 9:39
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• 9:39
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• 9:40
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• 9:40
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• 9:40
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• 9:41
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• 9:41
  Star
• 9:41
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• 9:41
  or
• 9:41
  Doctor
• 9:42
  who,
• 9:42
  because
• 9:42
  there's
• 9:42
  deep,
• 9:43
  long
• 9:44
  over
• 9:45
  50
• 9:46
  years
• 9:47
  history
• 9:47
  of
• 9:48
  this
• 9:48
  and
• 9:48
  we're
• 9:48
  like,
• 9:48
  man,
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  just
• 9:49
  don't
• 9:49
  know
• 9:49
  where
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  start.
• 9:51
  But,
• 9:51
  but
• 9:51
  there's
• 9:52
  something
• 9:52
  you're
• 9:52
  engaged
• 9:52
  with
• 9:53
  on,
• 9:53
  on
• 9:53
  pop
• 9:53
  culture,
• 9:54
  something
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  geek
• 9:54
  out
• 9:54
  on
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  guarantee
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  has
• 9:56
  a
• 9:57
  deep
• 9:57
  connection
• 9:57
  to
• 9:58
  a
• 9:59
  question
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  about
• 10:00
  reality
• 10:01
  or
• 10:01
  what
• 10:01
  it
• 10:01
  means
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  be
• 10:02
  human
• 10:02
  or
• 10:03
  what
• 10:03
  is
• 10:03
  God
• 10:04
  like
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  what
• 10:04
  is
• 10:04
  the
• 10:04
  world
• 10:05
  like?
• 10:05
  What
• 10:05
  is
• 10:05
  my
• 10:05
  place?
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  all
• 10:06
  those
• 10:06
  things
• 10:06
  wrapped
• 10:07
  in
• 10:07
  it.
• 10:07
  So
• 10:07
  we
• 10:07
  hope
• 10:07
  you
• 10:08
  can
• 10:08
  be
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  part
• 10:08
  of.
• 10:08
  Part
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  pop
• 10:09
  culture
• 10:10
  pop
• 10:10
  God
• 10:10
  stage
• 10:11
  that
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  know.
• 10:13
  Dr.
• 10:14
  McGrath.
• 10:14
  James
• 10:14
  will
• 10:14
  be
• 10:15
  there
• 10:15
  as
• 10:15
  well.
• 10:15
  James,
• 10:16
  introduce
• 10:16
  yourself
• 10:16
  where
• 10:17
  you
• 10:17
  teach,
• 10:17
  what
• 10:17
  are
• 10:17
  you
• 10:17
  up
• 10:17
  to?
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  then
• 10:18
  what
• 10:18
  are
• 10:18
  you
• 10:19
  geeking
• 10:19
  out
• 10:19
  these
• 10:19
  days?
• 10:19
  And
• 10:20
  then
• 10:20
  we'll.
• 10:20
  We'll
• 10:20
  dive
• 10:21
  into.
• 10:21
  To
• 10:21
  what
• 10:21
  we're
• 10:21
  going
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  talk
• 10:22
  about.
• 10:22
  Yeah.
• 10:23
  So
• 10:23
  first
• 10:23
  of
• 10:24
  all,
• 10:24
  when
• 10:24
  we
• 10:24
  see
• 10:24
  each
• 10:25
  other
• 10:25
  at
• 10:25
  theology
• 10:25
  beer
• 10:26
  camp,
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  call
• 10:26
  me
• 10:26
  James.
• 10:26
  Call
• 10:27
  me
• 10:27
  James.
• 10:27
  Okay.
• 10:28
  Okay.
• 10:28
  Yeah,
• 10:28
  yeah,
• 10:29
  yeah,
• 10:29
  yeah,
• 10:29
  yeah.
• 10:31
  So
• 10:31
  I'm
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  professor
• 10:32
  at
• 10:32
  Butler
• 10:33
  University.
• 10:34
  My
• 10:34
  main
• 10:34
  field
• 10:34
  is
• 10:35
  New
• 10:35
  Testament
• 10:35
  early
• 10:35
  Christianity,
• 10:37
  but
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  have
• 10:38
  long
• 10:38
  since
• 10:39
  branched
• 10:39
  out
• 10:39
  into
• 10:40
  other
• 10:40
  areas
• 10:41
  and
• 10:41
  one
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  big
• 10:42
  ones
• 10:42
  is
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  intersection
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  religion,
• 10:44
  science
• 10:44
  fiction.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:45
  so,
• 10:46
  yeah,
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  mean,
• 10:46
  I'm
• 10:46
  geeking
• 10:47
  out
• 10:47
  about
• 10:47
  andor
• 10:47
  as
• 10:48
  well.
• 10:48
  But
• 10:48
  I'm
• 10:48
  also
• 10:48
  on
• 10:48
  multiple
• 10:49
  search
• 10:49
  committees
• 10:49
  and
• 10:50
  department
• 10:50
  chair
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  stuff
• 10:50
  like
• 10:51
  that,
• 10:51
  so
• 10:51
  I'm
• 10:51
  actually
• 10:53
  not
• 10:53
  as
• 10:54
  caught
• 10:54
  up
• 10:54
  as
• 10:54
  you
• 10:54
  are,
• 10:56
  but
• 10:56
  I'm
• 10:57
  excited
• 10:57
  by
• 10:57
  what
• 10:57
  I've
• 10:57
  seen
• 10:58
  so
• 10:58
  far
• 10:58
  and
• 10:59
  looking
• 10:59
  forward
• 10:59
  to
• 11:00
  when
• 11:00
  we
• 11:00
  actually
• 11:01
  can
• 11:01
  talk
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  that
• 11:02
  freely.
• 11:02
  And
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  be
• 11:03
  honest,
• 11:04
  spoilers
• 11:05
  have
• 11:05
  never.
• 11:05
  I
• 11:06
  mean,
• 11:06
  obviously,
• 11:07
  it's.
• 11:07
  There's
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  coolness
• 11:08
  when
• 11:08
  you.
• 11:09
  Something
• 11:09
  happens.
• 11:10
  It's
• 11:10
  like,
• 11:10
  oh,
• 11:10
  wow,
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  didn't
• 11:11
  see
• 11:11
  that
• 11:11
  coming.
• 11:11
  But,
• 11:12
  yeah,
• 11:12
  I.
• 11:13
  I've
• 11:13
  never
• 11:13
  made
• 11:14
  a
• 11:14
  big
• 11:14
  fuss
• 11:14
  about
• 11:14
  spoilers.
• 11:15
  Yeah.
• 11:15
  Yeah.
• 11:16
  So,
• 11:16
  yeah,
• 11:17
  if
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  tell
• 11:17
  me
• 11:17
  something,
• 11:17
  I
• 11:18
  will
• 11:18
  still
• 11:18
  like
• 11:18
  you.
• 11:19
  Yeah.
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  don't
• 11:20
  know
• 11:20
  if
• 11:20
  someone
• 11:20
  made
• 11:20
  an
• 11:20
  official
• 11:21
  study
• 11:21
  or
• 11:21
  what,
• 11:21
  but
• 11:22
  there
• 11:22
  definitely.
• 11:23
  There
• 11:23
  was
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  claim
• 11:23
  made
• 11:23
  that,
• 11:24
  like,
• 11:24
  spoilers
• 11:25
  sometimes
• 11:26
  helps
• 11:27
  you
• 11:27
  with
• 11:27
  whatever
• 11:28
  you're
• 11:28
  watching
• 11:28
  or
• 11:29
  consuming
• 11:29
  or
• 11:29
  engaging
• 11:30
  with
• 11:30
  because
• 11:31
  it
• 11:31
  takes
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  anxiety
• 11:32
  away
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  you're
• 11:32
  able
• 11:32
  to
• 11:33
  lean
• 11:33
  into
• 11:33
  what's
• 11:33
  actually
• 11:34
  being
• 11:34
  presented
• 11:34
  in
• 11:34
  front
• 11:34
  of.
• 11:35
  So
• 11:36
  I
• 11:36
  sometimes
• 11:37
  embrace
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  too.
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  think.
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  think
• 11:38
  you're
• 11:39
  right,
• 11:39
  and
• 11:39
  I
• 11:40
  think,
• 11:40
  James,
• 11:41
  you
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  will.
• 11:42
  Yeah.
• 11:43
  Yeah.
• 11:43
  Oh,
• 11:43
  I
• 11:44
  just.
• 11:44
  I
• 11:44
  just
• 11:44
  thought
• 11:44
  of
• 11:45
  something.
• 11:45
  Okay.
• 11:45
  The
• 11:45
  other
• 11:46
  thing
• 11:46
  I'm
• 11:46
  watching
• 11:46
  is
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  Last
• 11:47
  of
• 11:47
  Us,
• 11:48
  and
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  had
• 11:49
  a
• 11:50
  parenting
• 11:50
  win
• 11:51
  watching
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  second
• 11:52
  episode
• 11:53
  and
• 11:54
  having
• 11:54
  know
• 11:54
  that
• 11:55
  both
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  you,
• 11:55
  like,
• 11:55
  when
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  have
• 11:56
  shared
• 11:57
  stories
• 11:57
  with
• 11:58
  your
• 11:58
  kids.
• 11:58
  Yeah.
• 11:59
  He
• 11:59
  played
• 11:59
  the
• 12:00
  video
• 12:00
  game
• 12:00
  and
• 12:00
  everything
• 12:01
  he
• 12:01
  had
• 12:01
  managed
• 12:02
  not
• 12:02
  to
• 12:02
  ruin
• 12:02
  what
• 12:02
  happens
• 12:03
  in
• 12:03
  episode
• 12:03
  two.
• 12:04
  And
• 12:04
  I'm
• 12:05
  sitting
• 12:05
  there
• 12:05
  going
• 12:05
  like,
• 12:06
  oh,
• 12:06
  this
• 12:06
  doesn't
• 12:06
  look
• 12:06
  good.
• 12:07
  Good.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  mean,
• 12:07
  what's
• 12:08
  going
• 12:08
  on?
• 12:10
  And
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  was
• 12:11
  like,
• 12:11
  this
• 12:11
  the
• 12:12
  equivalent
• 12:12
  of,
• 12:12
  like,
• 12:12
  taking
• 12:13
  out
• 12:13
  Grogu,
• 12:14
  you
• 12:14
  know,
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  Mandalorian,
• 12:17
  like,
• 12:17
  in
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  second
• 12:18
  episode.
• 12:18
  Yeah.
• 12:20
  You'd
• 12:20
  have
• 12:20
  to
• 12:20
  wait
• 12:21
  just
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  little
• 12:21
  bit
• 12:21
  longer.
• 12:22
  Like,
• 12:22
  he's
• 12:22
  training
• 12:22
  with
• 12:22
  Ahsoka,
• 12:23
  and
• 12:23
  she
• 12:23
  drops
• 12:24
  her
• 12:24
  lightsaber,
• 12:25
  and
• 12:25
  then
• 12:25
  there's
• 12:25
  just,
• 12:26
  like,
• 12:26
  a
• 12:26
  little
• 12:26
  Grogu
• 12:27
  shish
• 12:27
  kebab.
• 12:28
  And
• 12:29
  you're
• 12:29
  like,
• 12:30
  whoa,
• 12:31
  we're
• 12:31
  gonna
• 12:31
  take.
• 12:31
  This
• 12:31
  in
• 12:32
  different
• 12:32
  direction.
• 12:32
  Yeah.
• 12:33
  I've
• 12:33
  heard
• 12:33
  some
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  spoilers
• 12:34
  of
• 12:34
  those
• 12:34
  who
• 12:35
  played
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  video
• 12:35
  game.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  so
• 12:36
  I
• 12:36
  was
• 12:36
  like,
• 12:36
  well,
• 12:36
  maybe
• 12:37
  they'll
• 12:37
  do
• 12:37
  it
• 12:37
  different
• 12:38
  in.
• 12:38
  In
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  TV
• 12:39
  show.
• 12:39
  Well,
• 12:39
  well,
• 12:40
  no,
• 12:40
  no,
• 12:40
  they.
• 12:40
  They.
• 12:40
  I
• 12:41
  was
• 12:41
  just
• 12:41
  impressed
• 12:42
  my
• 12:42
  kid
• 12:42
  didn't
• 12:42
  ruin
• 12:43
  it.
• 12:43
  I
• 12:43
  know.
• 12:43
  I
• 12:43
  was
• 12:43
  like,
• 12:44
  well
• 12:44
  done.
• 12:45
  And
• 12:45
  he's,
• 12:45
  like,
• 12:46
  looking
• 12:46
  at
• 12:46
  me.
• 12:46
  I'm
• 12:47
  like,
• 12:47
  oh,
• 12:47
  what's
• 12:47
  gonna
• 12:48
  happen?
• 12:48
  He's
• 12:48
  watching
• 12:49
  your
• 12:49
  reaction.
• 12:49
  I
• 12:50
  love
• 12:50
  that.
• 12:50
  Yeah,
• 12:50
  I
• 12:50
  love
• 12:51
  that.
• 12:51
  Yeah.
• 12:52
  Yeah,
• 12:52
  I'm
• 12:52
  geeking
• 12:52
  all
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  too.
• 12:53
  There's
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  lot
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  good
• 12:54
  content
• 12:54
  out
• 12:54
  there.
• 12:54
  TV
• 12:55
  shows
• 12:55
  and.
• 12:56
  And
• 12:56
  movies
• 12:56
  and
• 12:56
  stuff
• 12:56
  is
• 12:57
  coming
• 12:57
  this
• 12:57
  summer.
• 12:57
  There's
• 12:57
  no
• 12:57
  Shortage
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  things
• 12:58
  to
• 12:58
  geek
• 12:58
  out
• 12:59
  on
• 12:59
  and
• 13:00
  can't
• 13:00
  wait
• 13:00
  to
• 13:01
  do
• 13:01
  that.
• 13:02
  James,
• 13:02
  like
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  first
• 13:03
  time
• 13:03
  you
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  I
• 13:04
  met,
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  were
• 13:04
  at.
• 13:04
  At
• 13:05
  thea
• 13:05
  con
• 13:06
  at
• 13:07
  Messiah
• 13:08
  College.
• 13:08
  I.
• 13:10
  And,
• 13:10
  and
• 13:10
  we.
• 13:10
  You
• 13:11
  did.
• 13:11
  You
• 13:11
  did
• 13:11
  a
• 13:12
  panel
• 13:12
  there.
• 13:12
  That's
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  first
• 13:13
  time
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  were
• 13:13
  in
• 13:14
  your
• 13:14
  full
• 13:14
  Star
• 13:14
  Trek
• 13:15
  cosplay,
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  think
• 13:16
  there.
• 13:16
  And
• 13:16
  I
• 13:16
  was
• 13:16
  like,
• 13:16
  there.
• 13:17
  There
• 13:17
  he
• 13:17
  is
• 13:17
  with
• 13:17
  Brian
• 13:18
  Bennett
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  whole
• 13:19
  crew.
• 13:19
  We,
• 13:19
  we
• 13:20
  bonded
• 13:20
  there.
• 13:20
  And
• 13:20
  then
• 13:20
  to
• 13:21
  see
• 13:21
  you
• 13:21
  loop
• 13:21
  back
• 13:21
  around
• 13:22
  with
• 13:22
  theology
• 13:23
  beer
• 13:23
  camp
• 13:23
  made
• 13:24
  me
• 13:24
  maybe
• 13:24
  really
• 13:24
  happy
• 13:25
  when
• 13:25
  it
• 13:25
  came
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  that.
• 13:26
  Yeah.
• 13:26
  Theocon
• 13:27
  obviously
• 13:27
  has
• 13:27
  other
• 13:27
  connotations.
• 13:28
  So
• 13:28
  you.
• 13:29
  If,
• 13:29
  if
• 13:29
  you
• 13:29
  couldn't
• 13:30
  hear
• 13:30
  it,
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  was
• 13:31
  theocon
• 13:31
  with
• 13:31
  a
• 13:32
  theta.
• 13:32
  Right.
• 13:32
  So
• 13:33
  not
• 13:33
  th.
• 13:33
  Right,
• 13:34
  right,
• 13:34
  right,
• 13:34
  right.
• 13:35
  Well,
• 13:35
  differently.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:36
  it
• 13:36
  was
• 13:36
  not
• 13:37
  the,
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  know,
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  other
• 13:38
  kind
• 13:38
  of
• 13:38
  theocon.
• 13:39
  This
• 13:39
  was,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  know,
• 13:40
  just
• 13:40
  theology
• 13:41
  convention
• 13:41
  and
• 13:42
  yeah,
• 13:42
  it
• 13:42
  was
• 13:42
  such
• 13:43
  a,
• 13:43
  such
• 13:43
  a
• 13:43
  cool
• 13:43
  event
• 13:44
  that
• 13:44
  Shayna
• 13:44
  Watson
• 13:45
  put
• 13:45
  together.
• 13:46
  Yeah.
• 13:46
  And
• 13:46
  one
• 13:46
  of
• 13:47
  my
• 13:47
  favorites.
• 13:47
  Yeah,
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  would
• 13:48
  have
• 13:48
  been
• 13:48
  great
• 13:48
  if
• 13:48
  that
• 13:49
  had
• 13:49
  continued.
• 13:50
  It
• 13:51
  seems
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  have
• 13:51
  petered
• 13:51
  out.
• 13:53
  If
• 13:53
  it,
• 13:53
  if
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  hasn't,
• 13:54
  then
• 13:54
  somebody
• 13:55
  tell
• 13:55
  me
• 13:55
  because
• 13:56
  I've
• 13:56
  just
• 13:57
  been
• 13:58
  busy
• 13:58
  calls.
• 13:59
  Shayna
• 13:59
  is
• 13:59
  now
• 14:00
  at
• 14:00
  a
• 14:00
  Episcopal
• 14:01
  church
• 14:01
  in,
• 14:01
  in.
• 14:02
  In
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  D.C.
• 14:03
  area.
• 14:03
  And
• 14:04
  so
• 14:04
  yeah,
• 14:04
  we
• 14:04
  keep
• 14:04
  up
• 14:05
  contact
• 14:05
  everything.
• 14:06
  So
• 14:08
  lately,
• 14:08
  whether
• 14:08
  it's
• 14:08
  like
• 14:09
  he
• 14:09
  church
• 14:10
  want
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  have
• 14:10
  a
• 14:10
  whole
• 14:10
  bunch
• 14:10
  of
• 14:10
  geeks
• 14:11
  show
• 14:11
  up
• 14:11
  and
• 14:12
  cosplay,
• 14:12
  you
• 14:12
  know.
• 14:12
  Oh,
• 14:13
  dc,
• 14:13
  we
• 14:14
  could
• 14:14
  do
• 14:14
  dc
• 14:15
  that
• 14:15
  be
• 14:15
  good.
• 14:16
  But
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  wrote,
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  wrote
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  book
• 14:17
  on
• 14:18
  theology
• 14:18
  and
• 14:19
  science
• 14:19
  fiction.
• 14:21
  Maybe,
• 14:21
  maybe
• 14:22
  if
• 14:22
  you're
• 14:22
  like
• 14:22
  stuck
• 14:22
  in
• 14:22
  an
• 14:23
  elevator
• 14:23
  with
• 14:23
  somebody
• 14:24
  and
• 14:24
  they're
• 14:24
  like,
• 14:24
  hey,
• 14:25
  Dr.
• 14:25
  McGrath,
• 14:26
  I
• 14:26
  heard
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  wrote
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  book
• 14:27
  on
• 14:28
  theology
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  sci
• 14:29
  fi,
• 14:30
  but
• 14:30
  I
• 14:30
  got
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  go
• 14:30
  somewhere
• 14:31
  really
• 14:31
  fast.
• 14:31
  Pitch
• 14:31
  what
• 14:32
  your
• 14:32
  book
• 14:32
  is
• 14:32
  about
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  just
• 14:33
  that
• 14:33
  elevator
• 14:34
  pitch
• 14:34
  and
• 14:35
  why
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  felt
• 14:35
  compelled
• 14:36
  to
• 14:36
  write
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  book.
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  think
• 14:37
  it,
• 14:37
  it.
• 14:38
  It
• 14:38
  definitely
• 14:38
  goes
• 14:38
  into
• 14:38
  what
• 14:39
  we're
• 14:39
  talking
• 14:39
  about
• 14:39
  here,
• 14:39
  but
• 14:39
  also
• 14:40
  the
• 14:41
  spear
• 14:41
  camp
• 14:41
  and
• 14:42
  what
• 14:42
  we
• 14:42
  do
• 14:42
  as
• 14:42
  systematic
• 14:42
  ecology.
• 14:43
  That
• 14:43
  is
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  great
• 14:44
  book.
• 14:44
  I
• 14:44
  would.
• 14:44
  If
• 14:45
  I
• 14:45
  had
• 14:45
  like
• 14:45
  an,
• 14:46
  an
• 14:46
  intern
• 14:47
  for
• 14:47
  systematic
• 14:48
  ecology,
• 14:48
  this
• 14:49
  would
• 14:49
  be
• 14:49
  one
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  our
• 14:49
  required
• 14:50
  readings.
• 14:51
  What,
• 14:51
  what
• 14:51
  would
• 14:51
  you
• 14:52
  pitch
• 14:52
  come
• 14:52
  with
• 14:52
  that?
• 14:53
  Okay.
• 14:53
  Do
• 14:54
  I
• 14:54
  get
• 14:54
  to
• 14:54
  know
• 14:54
  how
• 14:55
  many
• 14:55
  floors
• 14:55
  they're
• 14:56
  going
• 14:56
  up
• 14:56
  before
• 14:56
  I
• 14:57
  like.
• 14:58
  We'Re
• 14:58
  gonna
• 14:58
  do
• 14:59
  lucky
• 14:59
  16.
• 14:59
  16
• 15:00
  floors.
• 15:01
  Oh,
• 15:01
  okay.
• 15:01
  I
• 15:01
  got
• 15:02
  16
• 15:02
  floor.
• 15:02
  I
• 15:02
  can,
• 15:02
  I
• 15:02
  can
• 15:03
  cover.
• 15:03
  Yeah,
• 15:03
  okay.
• 15:03
  Can
• 15:04
  do
• 15:04
  this.
• 15:04
  So
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  wrote
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  book
• 15:07
  because,
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  know,
• 15:07
  I've
• 15:08
  loved
• 15:08
  science
• 15:08
  fiction
• 15:09
  for
• 15:09
  as
• 15:09
  long
• 15:09
  as
• 15:09
  I
• 15:09
  can
• 15:10
  remember.
• 15:11
  My
• 15:11
  earliest
• 15:11
  memories
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  toys
• 15:12
  are
• 15:12
  sci
• 15:13
  fi
• 15:13
  toys.
• 15:13
  You
• 15:14
  know,
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  had
• 15:14
  Star
• 15:14
  Trek
• 15:15
  toys,
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  had
• 15:15
  Star
• 15:15
  wars
• 15:16
  toys.
• 15:17
  I've
• 15:17
  all
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  fandoms,
• 15:18
  you
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:18
  Battlestar
• 15:19
  Galactica,
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  original
• 15:20
  one,
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  it's
• 15:22
  just
• 15:22
  an
• 15:22
  amazing
• 15:23
  way
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  engage
• 15:23
  with
• 15:25
  big
• 15:25
  questions,
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  that's
• 15:26
  why
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  love
• 15:27
  it.
• 15:27
  Right.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:27
  so
• 15:28
  some
• 15:28
  of
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  intersections
• 15:29
  are.
• 15:29
  You
• 15:30
  think
• 15:30
  about
• 15:30
  what
• 15:31
  science
• 15:31
  fiction
• 15:32
  stories
• 15:32
  do
• 15:32
  with
• 15:33
  religion,
• 15:33
  right?
• 15:34
  I
• 15:34
  mean,
• 15:34
  what
• 15:34
  does
• 15:34
  it
• 15:34
  mean
• 15:34
  if
• 15:35
  the
• 15:35
  Enterprise,
• 15:36
  they
• 15:36
  actually
• 15:36
  meet
• 15:37
  Apollo
• 15:37
  and
• 15:38
  Captain
• 15:38
  Kirk?
• 15:39
  I
• 15:39
  mean,
• 15:39
  they're
• 15:39
  all.
• 15:40
  They
• 15:40
  seem
• 15:40
  like
• 15:40
  they've
• 15:41
  outgrown
• 15:41
  religion,
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  yet
• 15:42
  it's
• 15:42
  like,
• 15:42
  well,
• 15:42
  maybe
• 15:43
  he
• 15:43
  really
• 15:43
  is
• 15:43
  Apollo.
• 15:44
  Right?
• 15:44
  And
• 15:44
  it's
• 15:44
  like
• 15:45
  none
• 15:45
  of
• 15:45
  my
• 15:45
  colleagues
• 15:46
  in
• 15:46
  classics
• 15:46
  think
• 15:46
  that
• 15:47
  Apollo
• 15:47
  really
• 15:47
  exists,
• 15:48
  but
• 15:48
  here's
• 15:48
  this.
• 15:49
  Yeah.
• 15:49
  So
• 15:49
  it's
• 15:50
  just
• 15:50
  this
• 15:50
  fun
• 15:50
  scenario,
• 15:51
  right?
• 15:52
  Why
• 15:52
  is
• 15:53
  Q
• 15:53
  a
• 15:54
  God?
• 15:54
  Is
• 15:54
  Apollo
• 15:54
  a
• 15:54
  God?
• 15:55
  Right?
• 15:55
  What
• 15:55
  makes
• 15:56
  something
• 15:56
  or
• 15:56
  someone
• 15:57
  a
• 15:57
  God?
• 15:58
  The
• 15:58
  fact
• 15:58
  that
• 15:59
  some
• 15:59
  of
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  weirder
• 16:02
  forms
• 16:02
  of
• 16:02
  religiosity.
• 16:04
  There's
• 16:04
  one
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  could
• 16:05
  mention
• 16:05
  that
• 16:05
  might
• 16:05
  get
• 16:05
  me
• 16:05
  sued,
• 16:06
  right?
• 16:06
  But
• 16:07
  you
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:07
  thinking
• 16:07
  even
• 16:08
  about
• 16:08
  Left
• 16:08
  behind,
• 16:09
  right?
• 16:09
  I
• 16:09
  mean,
• 16:10
  it
• 16:10
  got
• 16:10
  classified
• 16:11
  as
• 16:11
  science
• 16:11
  fiction
• 16:12
  on
• 16:12
  Amazon,
• 16:13
  right?
• 16:13
  And
• 16:13
  if
• 16:14
  you.
• 16:14
  If
• 16:15
  you
• 16:15
  force
• 16:15
  yourself
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  read
• 16:16
  it
• 16:16
  or
• 16:16
  watch
• 16:16
  the
• 16:17
  movie,
• 16:17
  because
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  can't
• 16:17
  quite
• 16:18
  bring
• 16:18
  yourself
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  do
• 16:18
  that,
• 16:19
  you
• 16:20
  expect
• 16:20
  Mulder
• 16:20
  and
• 16:20
  Scully
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  show
• 16:21
  up,
• 16:21
  right?
• 16:22
  Because
• 16:22
  there's
• 16:22
  this
• 16:22
  weird
• 16:22
  stuff
• 16:23
  happening,
• 16:23
  right?
• 16:24
  Yeah.
• 16:24
  Fandom,
• 16:25
  right?
• 16:25
  When
• 16:26
  we
• 16:26
  make
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  pilgrimage,
• 16:27
  right?
• 16:27
  And
• 16:27
  speak
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  our
• 16:28
  sacred
• 16:28
  language.
• 16:29
  Right?
• 16:29
  And
• 16:30
  wear
• 16:30
  our
• 16:30
  sacred
• 16:31
  garb
• 16:32
  and
• 16:32
  recount
• 16:32
  these
• 16:33
  stories
• 16:33
  that
• 16:33
  give
• 16:34
  us
• 16:34
  meaning,
• 16:34
  right?
• 16:35
  Fandom
• 16:36
  as
• 16:37
  something
• 16:37
  that's
• 16:37
  quasi
• 16:38
  religious.
• 16:38
  And
• 16:39
  so
• 16:39
  there
• 16:39
  are
• 16:39
  all
• 16:39
  these
• 16:40
  parallels,
• 16:40
  intersections.
• 16:42
  And
• 16:42
  that's
• 16:42
  not
• 16:43
  surprising
• 16:43
  because
• 16:44
  religion
• 16:44
  historically
• 16:46
  was
• 16:46
  about
• 16:46
  what's
• 16:46
  our
• 16:47
  place
• 16:47
  in
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  universe
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  are
• 16:49
  there
• 16:49
  other
• 16:49
  beings
• 16:49
  up
• 16:50
  there?
• 16:50
  And
• 16:50
  what
• 16:51
  would
• 16:51
  happen
• 16:51
  if
• 16:51
  they
• 16:51
  came
• 16:52
  down
• 16:52
  here
• 16:52
  and
• 16:52
  we
• 16:52
  had
• 16:53
  like
• 16:53
  some,
• 16:53
  you
• 16:54
  know,
• 16:54
  like
• 16:54
  camp
• 16:55
  or.
• 16:55
  And
• 16:55
  beer
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  stuff,
• 16:56
  right?
• 16:57
  And
• 16:57
  so,
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  know,
• 16:58
  ultimately
• 16:58
  these
• 16:59
  stories
• 16:59
  are
• 16:59
  updating
• 17:01
  those
• 17:01
  questions
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  exploring
• 17:02
  them
• 17:03
  in
• 17:03
  new
• 17:03
  stories.
• 17:03
  Oftentimes,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:04
  know,
• 17:04
  the
• 17:05
  same
• 17:05
  stories
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  some
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  same
• 17:06
  characters
• 17:06
  showing
• 17:06
  up.
• 17:06
  Right.
• 17:07
  In
• 17:07
  Star
• 17:07
  Trek
• 17:07
  or
• 17:07
  Stargate,
• 17:09
  but
• 17:09
  for
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  scientific
• 17:10
  age.
• 17:11
  And
• 17:11
  so
• 17:12
  it's
• 17:12
  just,
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  know,
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  love
• 17:13
  engaging
• 17:13
  with
• 17:13
  it,
• 17:14
  I
• 17:14
  love
• 17:14
  thinking
• 17:14
  about
• 17:15
  it
• 17:15
  and
• 17:16
  teaching
• 17:16
  about
• 17:16
  it
• 17:17
  and
• 17:17
  writing
• 17:17
  about
• 17:18
  the
• 17:19
  intersection
• 17:19
  actually
• 17:19
  has
• 17:20
  led
• 17:20
  me
• 17:20
  to
• 17:20
  do
• 17:21
  some
• 17:21
  writing
• 17:22
  of
• 17:22
  science
• 17:22
  fiction
• 17:22
  myself,
• 17:23
  which
• 17:23
  has
• 17:23
  been
• 17:24
  just
• 17:24
  amazing
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  fulfilling,
• 17:25
  exciting.
• 17:26
  Now
• 17:27
  you've
• 17:27
  written
• 17:27
  some
• 17:28
  sci
• 17:28
  fi
• 17:28
  for
• 17:28
  yourself.
• 17:29
  Sci
• 17:29
  fi
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  yourself.
• 17:30
  I
• 17:30
  have,
• 17:30
  yeah.
• 17:31
  Anything
• 17:31
  is
• 17:32
  out
• 17:32
  there
• 17:32
  right
• 17:32
  now.
• 17:33
  Are
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  still
• 17:33
  waiting
• 17:33
  to.
• 17:34
  Yeah,
• 17:34
  no,
• 17:35
  there.
• 17:35
  There
• 17:35
  are
• 17:35
  a
• 17:35
  few
• 17:35
  things
• 17:36
  out
• 17:36
  there.
• 17:36
  The
• 17:37
  first
• 17:37
  thing
• 17:37
  that
• 17:37
  got
• 17:37
  published,
• 17:39
  so
• 17:39
  somebody
• 17:39
  that
• 17:40
  I've
• 17:40
  known
• 17:40
  for
• 17:40
  quite,
• 17:40
  quite
• 17:41
  a
• 17:41
  number
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  years,
• 17:42
  Paul
• 17:42
  Levinson,
• 17:43
  he's
• 17:43
  at
• 17:43
  Fordham,
• 17:45
  does
• 17:45
  that,
• 17:45
  you
• 17:46
  know,
• 17:46
  he's
• 17:46
  in
• 17:46
  communication,
• 17:47
  does
• 17:47
  a
• 17:47
  lot
• 17:47
  at
• 17:48
  this
• 17:48
  intersection.
• 17:48
  And
• 17:49
  he
• 17:49
  was
• 17:49
  putting
• 17:49
  together
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  volume
• 17:50
  called
• 17:50
  Touching
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  Face
• 17:51
  of
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  Universe
• 17:52
  Touching
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  Face
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  Cosm
• 17:54
  about
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  intersection
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  religion
• 17:55
  and
• 17:55
  space
• 17:55
  flight.
• 17:56
  And
• 17:57
  so
• 17:57
  it
• 17:57
  was
• 17:57
  going
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  be
• 17:57
  a
• 17:57
  collection
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  essays
• 17:58
  and
• 17:58
  short
• 17:59
  stories.
• 18:00
  And
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  know
• 18:01
  because
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  asked
• 18:01
  him
• 18:02
  that
• 18:02
  he
• 18:02
  was,
• 18:02
  he
• 18:02
  came
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  me
• 18:03
  expecting
• 18:03
  an
• 18:03
  essay
• 18:04
  and
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  was
• 18:04
  like,
• 18:04
  oh,
• 18:05
  would
• 18:05
  you
• 18:05
  consider
• 18:05
  a
• 18:06
  short
• 18:06
  story?
• 18:06
  And
• 18:07
  so
• 18:07
  that
• 18:07
  was
• 18:07
  my
• 18:07
  first
• 18:07
  one.
• 18:08
  You
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:09
  he
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  like,
• 18:10
  great.
• 18:10
  And
• 18:11
  then
• 18:11
  I've
• 18:11
  had
• 18:11
  a
• 18:11
  couple
• 18:11
  of
• 18:12
  others.
• 18:12
  So
• 18:13
  have
• 18:13
  one
• 18:13
  about
• 18:13
  robots
• 18:14
  in
• 18:14
  church
• 18:14
  that
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  think
• 18:15
  was
• 18:16
  actually
• 18:16
  pretty
• 18:16
  prescient
• 18:16
  because
• 18:17
  I
• 18:17
  wrote
• 18:17
  it
• 18:17
  before
• 18:17
  ChatGPT
• 18:18
  came
• 18:19
  out
• 18:20
  that's
• 18:20
  called
• 18:21
  New
• 18:21
  Members.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:22
  so
• 18:22
  it's
• 18:23
  in
• 18:23
  an
• 18:23
  anthology,
• 18:24
  but
• 18:24
  it's
• 18:25
  also.
• 18:25
  Yeah,
• 18:26
  I,
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  got
• 18:27
  permission
• 18:27
  to
• 18:27
  do
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  like
• 18:28
  pre
• 18:28
  pub
• 18:28
  version
• 18:29
  of
• 18:29
  it
• 18:29
  online.
• 18:31
  Yeah,
• 18:32
  I've.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:33
  yeah,
• 18:34
  it's
• 18:34
  just
• 18:34
  fun.
• 18:34
  You
• 18:35
  know,
• 18:35
  I
• 18:35
  write
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  kind
• 18:35
  of
• 18:35
  stuff
• 18:36
  that
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  love
• 18:36
  reading.
• 18:37
  Right.
• 18:37
  That
• 18:37
  it's
• 18:38
  not
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  heavy
• 18:39
  handed,
• 18:39
  you
• 18:40
  know,
• 18:40
  religiosity,
• 18:40
  it's
• 18:41
  not
• 18:41
  the,
• 18:41
  you
• 18:42
  know,
• 18:42
  oh
• 18:42
  look,
• 18:43
  a
• 18:43
  Christ
• 18:43
  figure,
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  know,
• 18:44
  here
• 18:44
  we
• 18:45
  go
• 18:45
  again
• 18:45
  kind
• 18:45
  of
• 18:45
  thing.
• 18:46
  It's
• 18:46
  engaging
• 18:47
  in
• 18:47
  some
• 18:47
  way
• 18:47
  that's,
• 18:48
  you
• 18:48
  know,
• 18:49
  subtle,
• 18:49
  substantive
• 18:50
  and
• 18:51
  thoughtful.
• 18:52
  Subtle,
• 18:53
  substantive
• 18:54
  and
• 18:54
  thoughtful.
• 18:55
  I
• 18:55
  love
• 18:55
  that.
• 18:55
  Like
• 18:56
  that,
• 18:56
  that
• 18:57
  is,
• 18:57
  you
• 18:57
  know,
• 18:58
  we,
• 18:59
  we
• 18:59
  engage
• 19:00
  in
• 19:00
  this
• 19:00
  stuff
• 19:00
  that
• 19:00
  we
• 19:00
  geek
• 19:01
  out
• 19:01
  on
• 19:01
  whether
• 19:01
  sci
• 19:01
  fi,
• 19:01
  Star
• 19:02
  Wars,
• 19:02
  Star
• 19:02
  Trek,
• 19:02
  whatever,
• 19:03
  last
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  us.
• 19:04
  But,
• 19:05
  but
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  think
• 19:05
  also
• 19:06
  what
• 19:06
  it
• 19:06
  does,
• 19:06
  it
• 19:06
  just
• 19:07
  helps
• 19:07
  us
• 19:07
  process
• 19:08
  what
• 19:08
  it
• 19:08
  means
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  be
• 19:08
  human.
• 19:09
  So
• 19:09
  in
• 19:09
  your,
• 19:09
  in
• 19:09
  your
• 19:09
  book
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  talked
• 19:10
  about
• 19:10
  like
• 19:11
  science
• 19:12
  and
• 19:12
  then
• 19:12
  versus
• 19:14
  kind
• 19:14
  of
• 19:14
  superstition,
• 19:15
  but
• 19:15
  science
• 19:15
  fiction
• 19:16
  versus
• 19:16
  superstition,
• 19:17
  slash
• 19:18
  magic,
• 19:18
  religion.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  so
• 19:19
  it
• 19:19
  can
• 19:20
  sometimes
• 19:20
  be
• 19:20
  pitted
• 19:20
  against
• 19:21
  one
• 19:21
  another.
• 19:21
  But
• 19:21
  what
• 19:21
  you've
• 19:21
  done,
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  brought
• 19:22
  those
• 19:22
  two
• 19:22
  together
• 19:23
  and
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  kind
• 19:23
  of,
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  both
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  of,
• 19:25
  of
• 19:25
  how
• 19:25
  both
• 19:26
  can
• 19:26
  help
• 19:26
  us
• 19:27
  process,
• 19:28
  you
• 19:28
  know,
• 19:28
  our
• 19:28
  place
• 19:28
  and
• 19:29
  purpose
• 19:29
  in
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  universe
• 19:30
  and
• 19:31
  what
• 19:31
  we
• 19:31
  want
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  become
• 19:32
  or
• 19:32
  what
• 19:33
  we
• 19:33
  don't
• 19:33
  want
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  become
• 19:34
  as
• 19:35
  human
• 19:35
  beings
• 19:36
  or
• 19:36
  a
• 19:36
  species.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:37
  so
• 19:38
  sci
• 19:38
  fi
• 19:39
  kind
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  helps
• 19:39
  us.
• 19:40
  It's
• 19:40
  the
• 19:40
  ultimate.
• 19:42
  It
• 19:42
  makes
• 19:42
  us
• 19:42
  what
• 19:43
  makes
• 19:43
  us
• 19:43
  human
• 19:43
  that
• 19:44
  we
• 19:44
  can
• 19:44
  reflect
• 19:44
  upon
• 19:44
  ourselves
• 19:45
  and
• 19:46
  do
• 19:46
  that
• 19:46
  kind
• 19:46
  of
• 19:47
  speculative
• 19:48
  storytelling.
• 19:49
  What
• 19:49
  ifing
• 19:51
  to
• 19:52
  play
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  sandbox
• 19:53
  of,
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  processing
• 19:54
  our
• 19:55
  human
• 19:55
  condition,
• 19:55
  but
• 19:56
  also
• 19:56
  our
• 19:57
  place
• 19:57
  in
• 19:57
  this
• 19:57
  universe.
• 19:58
  So
• 19:58
  that,
• 19:58
  that's
• 19:59
  what
• 19:59
  we're
• 19:59
  doing
• 19:59
  with,
• 20:00
  with
• 20:00
  these,
• 20:00
  with
• 20:00
  these
• 20:01
  franchises
• 20:01
  and
• 20:01
  IPs
• 20:02
  is
• 20:02
  fun.
• 20:03
  But
• 20:03
  also
• 20:03
  I,
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  think
• 20:04
  in
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  lot
• 20:04
  of
• 20:04
  ways
• 20:05
  we're
• 20:05
  working
• 20:06
  some
• 20:06
  junk
• 20:07
  out
• 20:07
  when
• 20:07
  it
• 20:07
  comes
• 20:07
  to
• 20:08
  what
• 20:08
  it
• 20:08
  means
• 20:08
  to
• 20:09
  be
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  human
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  in
• 20:09
  our
• 20:10
  community's
• 20:10
  trip,
• 20:10
  you
• 20:10
  know,
• 20:11
  you've,
• 20:11
  you've
• 20:11
  engaged
• 20:11
  in
• 20:11
  these
• 20:12
  things
• 20:12
  too.
• 20:12
  You
• 20:12
  just
• 20:12
  talk
• 20:12
  about
• 20:13
  like,
• 20:14
  and
• 20:14
  you've
• 20:15
  taught
• 20:15
  classes
• 20:15
  on
• 20:15
  this
• 20:16
  with,
• 20:16
  with
• 20:17
  seminarians
• 20:17
  and
• 20:18
  those
• 20:18
  who
• 20:19
  are
• 20:19
  working
• 20:19
  on
• 20:19
  their
• 20:19
  PhDs
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  theology.
• 20:21
  What
• 20:21
  is
• 20:21
  it
• 20:22
  about
• 20:22
  kind
• 20:22
  of
• 20:23
  pop
• 20:23
  culture,
• 20:23
  key
• 20:23
  culture,
• 20:24
  or
• 20:24
  some
• 20:24
  of
• 20:24
  these
• 20:25
  franchises
• 20:26
  IPs
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  help
• 20:27
  people
• 20:28
  maybe,
• 20:28
  maybe
• 20:29
  not
• 20:29
  too
• 20:29
  as
• 20:29
  close
• 20:30
  as,
• 20:30
  like,
• 20:30
  scripture,
• 20:30
  that
• 20:31
  they
• 20:31
  don't
• 20:31
  feel
• 20:31
  like
• 20:31
  they
• 20:31
  can
• 20:31
  touch
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  Bible
• 20:32
  that
• 20:32
  way,
• 20:32
  but
• 20:32
  they
• 20:32
  can
• 20:32
  be
• 20:32
  a
• 20:33
  little
• 20:33
  bit
• 20:33
  more
• 20:33
  free
• 20:33
  when
• 20:34
  it
• 20:34
  comes
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  some
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  these
• 20:35
  IPs.
• 20:35
  What
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  it
• 20:35
  that
• 20:35
  you've
• 20:36
  learned
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  kind
• 20:36
  of
• 20:36
  teaching
• 20:36
  these
• 20:37
  classes
• 20:37
  and
• 20:37
  exploring
• 20:37
  these
• 20:38
  things
• 20:38
  as
• 20:38
  well?
• 20:38
  Well,
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  would
• 20:39
  say
• 20:39
  the
• 20:39
  last
• 20:40
  two
• 20:40
  years,
• 20:40
  when
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  taught
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  pop
• 20:42
  culture
• 20:43
  and
• 20:43
  theology
• 20:44
  class,
• 20:44
  I
• 20:44
  use
• 20:45
  that
• 20:45
  book.
• 20:45
  James's
• 20:46
  book.
• 20:46
  Yes.
• 20:48
  And
• 20:48
  had
• 20:49
  students
• 20:51
  do
• 20:51
  short
• 20:52
  science
• 20:52
  fiction
• 20:53
  pieces.
• 20:54
  So
• 20:55
  it
• 20:55
  was
• 20:55
  a
• 20:55
  lot
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  fun.
• 20:56
  So.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  I've
• 20:57
  had
• 20:58
  a
• 20:58
  student
• 20:58
  tell
• 20:58
  me
• 20:58
  they
• 20:59
  used
• 20:59
  it
• 20:59
  for
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  discussion
• 21:00
  group
• 21:00
  at
• 21:00
  church.
• 21:02
  And
• 21:03
  so
• 21:04
  it
• 21:04
  is
• 21:04
  short.
• 21:04
  It's
• 21:05
  easy
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  read.
• 21:06
  Yeah.
• 21:06
  It's
• 21:06
  not
• 21:06
  like
• 21:07
  painful
• 21:08
  academic.
• 21:09
  And
• 21:10
  it
• 21:11
  does
• 21:11
  what
• 21:11
  I
• 21:11
  really
• 21:11
  think
• 21:12
  one
• 21:12
  of
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  gifts
• 21:12
  of
• 21:13
  this
• 21:13
  podcast
• 21:13
  and
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  larger
• 21:14
  kind
• 21:14
  of,
• 21:14
  like,
• 21:14
  engaging
• 21:15
  around
• 21:15
  religion
• 21:16
  and
• 21:16
  philosophy
• 21:16
  and
• 21:16
  pop
• 21:17
  culture,
• 21:17
  is
• 21:18
  human
• 21:18
  beings.
• 21:20
  You
• 21:20
  know,
• 21:21
  we
• 21:21
  like
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  make
• 21:21
  a
• 21:21
  big
• 21:22
  deal
• 21:22
  about
• 21:22
  ourselves
• 21:22
  being
• 21:22
  rational,
• 21:23
  but
• 21:23
  we're
• 21:23
  more
• 21:24
  narrative
• 21:24
  than
• 21:24
  we
• 21:24
  are
• 21:24
  rational.
• 21:25
  And
• 21:25
  when
• 21:26
  you
• 21:26
  have
• 21:26
  narratives
• 21:26
  to
• 21:27
  think
• 21:27
  with,
• 21:28
  then
• 21:28
  it
• 21:29
  allows
• 21:29
  you
• 21:29
  to
• 21:30
  locate
• 21:30
  your
• 21:31
  conversation
• 21:32
  about
• 21:32
  a
• 21:33
  topic
• 21:33
  in
• 21:34
  a
• 21:34
  story
• 21:34
  everyone
• 21:35
  can
• 21:35
  experience
• 21:36
  while
• 21:36
  they
• 21:36
  read
• 21:36
  it.
• 21:36
  Right.
• 21:37
  So
• 21:37
  if
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  tell
• 21:37
  you
• 21:37
  about
• 21:38
  what
• 21:38
  my
• 21:39
  contemplative
• 21:39
  prayer,
• 21:40
  and
• 21:40
  I
• 21:40
  have
• 21:40
  this
• 21:40
  experience,
• 21:41
  and
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  was
• 21:41
  like,
• 21:41
  yeah,
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  was
• 21:42
  praying,
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  it
• 21:42
  was
• 21:42
  like
• 21:42
  I
• 21:43
  was
• 21:43
  sitting
• 21:43
  in
• 21:43
  Jesus
• 21:43
  lap
• 21:44
  by
• 21:44
  a
• 21:45
  creek,
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  we're
• 21:45
  talking,
• 21:46
  you're
• 21:46
  gonna
• 21:46
  go,
• 21:47
  what?
• 21:47
  What
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  hell,
• 21:48
  Tripp?
• 21:48
  Like,
• 21:48
  if
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  haven't
• 21:50
  sat
• 21:50
  by
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  creek
• 21:51
  in
• 21:51
  Jesus
• 21:51
  lap,
• 21:52
  that
• 21:52
  seems
• 21:52
  weird.
• 21:53
  Where
• 21:53
  exactly
• 21:54
  in
• 21:54
  his
• 21:54
  lap
• 21:54
  were
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  sitting?
• 21:56
  Was
• 21:56
  he
• 21:56
  talking
• 21:56
  to
• 21:57
  you?
• 21:57
  You
• 21:57
  know,
• 21:57
  you
• 21:58
  might
• 21:58
  have
• 21:58
  this.
• 21:58
  And
• 21:58
  I'm
• 21:58
  like,
• 21:59
  no,
• 21:59
  no,
• 21:59
  no.
• 21:59
  But
• 21:59
  if
• 21:59
  we
• 21:59
  talk
• 22:00
  about
• 22:00
  something
• 22:00
  we
• 22:00
  love,
• 22:01
  a
• 22:01
  story
• 22:01
  we
• 22:01
  love,
• 22:02
  then
• 22:02
  we've
• 22:03
  all
• 22:03
  had
• 22:03
  the
• 22:03
  experience
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  watching
• 22:04
  that
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  You
• 22:08
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• 22:09
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• 22:10
  And
• 22:10
  it
• 22:10
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• 22:10
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• 22:10
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• 22:11
  a
• 22:12
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• 22:13
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• 22:13
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• 22:13
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• 22:16
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• 22:16
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• 22:17
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• 22:18
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• 22:21
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• 22:23
  James's
• 22:23
  book,
• 22:24
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• 22:24
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• 22:24
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  it
• 22:25
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• 22:25
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• 22:26
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• 22:26
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• 22:27
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• 22:29
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  theologians
• 22:30
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• 22:31
  ministers,
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• 22:33
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• 22:33
  you
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• 22:33
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• 22:33
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  pop
• 22:34
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• 22:34
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  pop
• 22:35
  culture,
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• 22:36
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  learning
• 22:37
  how
• 22:37
  they
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  should
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  read
• 22:38
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• 22:38
  Bible,
• 22:39
  because
• 22:39
  that
• 22:40
  is
• 22:40
  what
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  all
• 22:40
  of
• 22:41
  church
• 22:41
  history
• 22:41
  is,
• 22:41
  just
• 22:41
  a
• 22:42
  giant
• 22:42
  conversation
• 22:43
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• 22:43
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• 22:43
  interpret
• 22:44
  these
• 22:44
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• 22:44
  Our.
• 22:45
  Our
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  Jewish
• 22:46
  parents
• 22:47
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• 22:48
  Have
• 22:48
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• 22:49
  Torah
• 22:49
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• 22:50
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• 22:50
  and
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  there's
• 22:51
  A
• 22:51
  reason
• 22:52
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  The
• 22:53
  Torah
• 22:53
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• 22:54
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• 22:54
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• 22:55
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• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
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• 22:56
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• 22:56
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• 22:57
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• 22:57
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• 22:57
  it.
• 22:58
  And
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• 22:59
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• 23:00
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• 23:00
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• 23:00
  baby
• 23:00
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• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  think
• 23:01
  it
• 23:01
  really
• 23:02
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• 23:02
  us
• 23:02
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• 23:02
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• 23:03
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• 23:03
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• 23:04
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• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
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• 23:05
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• 23:06
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• 23:06
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• 23:08
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• 23:08
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• 23:08
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  it
• 23:09
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• 23:09
  conversation
• 23:09
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• 23:09
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• 23:10
  narratives.
• 23:11
  And,
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  know,
• 23:12
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• 23:12
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• 23:13
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• 23:13
  me
• 23:13
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• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  something.
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• 23:15
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• 23:17
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  Algae
• 23:19
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• 23:19
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  Caspar
• 23:20
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• 23:22
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  Sacred
• 23:23
  Text
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• 23:24
  Right.
• 23:24
  And
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• 23:25
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• 23:26
  They
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• 23:27
  groups
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• 23:27
  over
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  the
• 23:28
  world,
• 23:28
  40,000
• 23:29
  people
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  to
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  each
• 23:30
  episode,
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  and
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  basically
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  lectio
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  divino
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  Harry
• 23:33
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• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  Right.
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  And,
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• 23:38
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• 23:40
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  spiritual
• 23:42
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  With
• 23:43
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• 23:43
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• 23:45
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• 23:46
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• 23:46
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• 23:46
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• 23:46
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• 23:47
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• 23:47
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• 23:47
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• 23:48
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• 23:48
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• 23:48
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• 23:48
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• 23:49
  I've
• 23:49
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• 23:50
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• 23:51
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• 23:51
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• 23:52
  debates
• 23:52
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• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  relationship
• 23:53
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• 23:53
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• 23:53
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• 23:56
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• 23:57
  other
• 23:57
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• 23:58
  So,
• 23:59
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• 23:59
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• 24:00
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  It.
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• 24:06
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• 24:06
  Then
• 24:07
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• 24:07
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• 24:08
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• 24:09
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  Baptist
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• 24:12
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• 24:12
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• 24:13
  Right.
• 24:13
  Because
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• 24:14
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• 24:14
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• 24:17
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• 24:18
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• 24:19
  ones
• 24:19
  I
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• 24:19
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  thought
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• 24:20
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• 24:20
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• 24:20
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• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  read
• 24:21
  James's
• 24:21
  book.
• 24:22
  So
• 24:23
  I'm
• 24:23
  mostly
• 24:23
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• 24:24
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• 24:24
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• 24:24
  us
• 24:25
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• 24:25
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• 24:25
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• 24:25
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• 24:25
  that
• 24:25
  topic
• 24:26
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• 24:26
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• 24:26
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• 24:26
  might
• 24:27
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• 24:27
  myself
• 24:27
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• 24:28
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• 24:28
  me
• 24:28
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• 24:29
  many
• 24:29
  times
• 24:29
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• 24:29
  this
• 24:29
  podcast
• 24:30
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• 24:31
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• 24:31
  like
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  preeminent
• 24:32
  John
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  Baptist
• 24:33
  scholar
• 24:33
  on
• 24:33
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• 24:34
  right
• 24:34
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• 24:34
  So.
• 25:23
  Well,
• 25:24
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• 25:25
  And
• 25:25
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• 25:26
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• 25:27
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• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
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• 25:30
  license
• 25:30
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  theopoetics
• 25:32
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• 25:32
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
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• 25:33
  it
• 25:33
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• 25:34
  terms
• 25:34
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• 25:35
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• 25:35
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• 25:35
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• 25:36
  your
• 25:36
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• 25:36
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  it
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• 25:37
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• 25:38
  At
• 25:39
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• 25:39
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• 25:39
  summer,
• 25:39
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• 25:40
  about
• 25:40
  how
• 25:40
  Matthew,
• 25:40
  Mark,
• 25:40
  Luke
• 25:40
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• 25:41
  John
• 25:41
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• 25:41
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• 25:42
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• 25:43
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• 25:43
  There's
• 25:43
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• 25:43
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• 25:43
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• 25:44
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• 25:45
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• 25:45
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• 25:46
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• 25:46
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• 25:47
  And
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• 25:50
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• 25:51
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• 25:52
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• 25:53
  nuance
• 25:53
  of
• 25:53
  who,
• 25:54
  what.
• 25:54
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• 25:54
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• 25:55
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• 25:55
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• 25:56
  What
• 25:56
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• 25:56
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• 25:57
  proclamation
• 25:58
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• 25:58
  to
• 25:58
  have
• 25:58
  for,
• 25:58
  for
• 26:00
  same
• 26:00
  kind
• 26:01
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• 26:01
  poetic
• 26:01
  license
• 26:02
  in
• 26:02
  our
• 26:02
  lives
• 26:02
  and
• 26:03
  the
• 26:03
  communities
• 26:03
  we
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  gather
• 26:03
  with
• 26:04
  and
• 26:05
  in,
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
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• 26:06
  churches
• 26:06
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• 26:06
  Gather
• 26:06
  around.
• 26:07
  And
• 26:07
  so
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  think
• 26:08
  doing
• 26:09
  these
• 26:09
  kind
• 26:09
  of
• 26:09
  what
• 26:09
  ifs
• 26:10
  help
• 26:10
  us
• 26:10
  as
• 26:10
  a
• 26:11
  community
• 26:11
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• 26:11
  explore
• 26:12
  our
• 26:12
  imaginations
• 26:13
  and
• 26:13
  spirituality.
• 26:13
  There's
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  depth
• 26:14
  there.
• 26:14
  And,
• 26:15
  and,
• 26:15
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• 26:15
  I've.
• 26:16
  We've.
• 26:16
  We've
• 26:16
  talked
• 26:16
  about
• 26:17
  before,
• 26:17
  like
• 26:17
  even
• 26:18
  C.S.
• 26:18
  lewis
• 26:18
  and
• 26:19
  Tolkien.
• 26:19
  Their.
• 26:19
  Their
• 26:19
  Inklings
• 26:20
  group
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  was
• 26:20
  basically
• 26:21
  systematic
• 26:21
  ecology.
• 26:22
  It
• 26:22
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• 26:22
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• 26:23
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• 26:23
  Beer
• 26:23
  camp
• 26:24
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• 26:24
  them
• 26:24
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• 26:24
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• 26:25
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• 26:25
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• 26:25
  a
• 26:25
  pint
• 26:26
  and,
• 26:26
  and
• 26:27
  getting
• 26:27
  creative
• 26:27
  and
• 26:28
  exploring
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  what
• 26:29
  if
• 26:29
  ing
• 26:29
  their
• 26:30
  faith
• 26:30
  while
• 26:30
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• 26:30
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• 26:31
  it
• 26:31
  seriously
• 26:32
  and
• 26:32
  what
• 26:33
  it
• 26:33
  means
• 26:33
  to
• 26:33
  be
• 26:33
  friends
• 26:34
  and
• 26:34
  community
• 26:34
  with
• 26:35
  each
• 26:35
  other.
• 26:35
  And
• 26:35
  so
• 26:36
  that's
• 26:36
  what
• 26:36
  we're
• 26:36
  doing,
• 26:36
  and
• 26:37
  that's
• 26:37
  what
• 26:37
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• 26:37
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• 26:37
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• 26:37
  beer
• 26:37
  camp.
• 26:38
  And
• 26:38
  that's
• 26:38
  why
• 26:39
  questions
• 26:39
  like
• 26:39
  this,
• 26:39
  we
• 26:40
  throw
• 26:40
  it
• 26:40
  out
• 26:40
  there
• 26:40
  and
• 26:41
  what
• 26:41
  we
• 26:41
  want
• 26:41
  to
• 26:41
  hear
• 26:42
  from
• 26:42
  others.
• 26:42
  What
• 26:42
  do
• 26:43
  you
• 26:43
  think?
• 26:43
  What
• 26:44
  would
• 26:44
  that
• 26:44
  mean?
• 26:45
  So
• 26:45
  here
• 26:46
  we
• 26:46
  go.
• 26:49
  All
• 26:50
  right,
• 26:50
  who
• 26:50
  wants
• 26:51
  to
• 26:51
  go
• 26:51
  first
• 26:51
  here?
• 26:51
  Tripp,
• 26:51
  do
• 26:52
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• 26:52
  want
• 26:52
  to.
• 26:52
  Do
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• 26:52
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• 26:52
  to
• 26:52
  let
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  John
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  Baptist
• 26:54
  scholar
• 26:55
  do
• 26:55
  this,
• 26:55
  or
• 26:55
  do
• 26:55
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• 26:55
  want
• 26:55
  to
• 26:55
  get
• 26:55
  yours
• 26:56
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• 26:56
  of
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  way
• 26:56
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• 26:56
  let
• 26:56
  him
• 26:57
  correct
• 26:57
  you?
• 26:57
  What
• 26:58
  if
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  haven't
• 26:59
  had
• 26:59
  it
• 27:00
  and
• 27:00
  experience
• 27:00
  Jesus's
• 27:01
  crucifixion
• 27:02
  and
• 27:02
  resurrection?
• 27:03
  What
• 27:03
  alternate
• 27:04
  timeline
• 27:04
  would
• 27:04
  that
• 27:05
  mean
• 27:05
  for
• 27:05
  the
• 27:05
  church
• 27:05
  and
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  disciples
• 27:07
  and,
• 27:07
  and
• 27:08
  moving
• 27:08
  forward
• 27:09
  with
• 27:09
  the.
• 27:10
  The
• 27:10
  Jesus
• 27:10
  story
• 27:10
  and
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  life,
• 27:11
  death,
• 27:11
  and
• 27:12
  crucifixion
• 27:12
  and
• 27:14
  resurrection
• 27:15
  of
• 27:15
  Christ?
• 27:17
  One
• 27:17
  random
• 27:18
  idea.
• 27:18
  What
• 27:19
  if
• 27:19
  we
• 27:19
  do
• 27:20
  what
• 27:20
  if
• 27:21
  thing
• 27:21
  at
• 27:21
  beer
• 27:21
  camp.
• 27:22
  You
• 27:22
  should
• 27:23
  have
• 27:23
  ready
• 27:23
  to
• 27:24
  go
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  creed
• 27:25
  what
• 27:25
  if
• 27:25
  karaoke
• 27:26
  song.
• 27:26
  And
• 27:26
  so
• 27:27
  you're
• 27:27
  like,
• 27:27
  what
• 27:27
  if,
• 27:28
  what
• 27:28
  if,
• 27:29
  what
• 27:29
  if?
• 27:29
  And
• 27:30
  then
• 27:30
  someone
• 27:30
  who's
• 27:31
  completely
• 27:32
  not
• 27:32
  energetic
• 27:33
  is
• 27:33
  like,
• 27:33
  john
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  Baptist
• 27:34
  was
• 27:35
  never
• 27:35
  beheaded
• 27:35
  to
• 27:35
  experience
• 27:36
  Jesus
• 27:36
  crucifixion
• 27:37
  and
• 27:37
  resurrection.
• 27:38
  And
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  think
• 27:39
  that'd
• 27:40
  be
• 27:40
  great.
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  think
• 27:40
  so,
• 27:41
  too.
• 27:41
  I
• 27:41
  think
• 27:41
  so,
• 27:41
  too.
• 27:42
  All
• 27:42
  right.
• 27:42
  Or
• 27:42
  if
• 27:42
  you
• 27:42
  just
• 27:43
  had
• 27:43
  that
• 27:43
  clip
• 27:43
  on
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  button.
• 27:44
  Two
• 27:45
  questions
• 27:45
  for
• 27:45
  you,
• 27:46
  Will.
• 27:46
  Yeah.
• 27:46
  Just
• 27:47
  so
• 27:47
  we
• 27:47
  can
• 27:47
  narrow
• 27:48
  how
• 27:48
  this
• 27:48
  is
• 27:48
  going
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  go.
• 27:49
  And
• 27:49
  then
• 27:49
  I.
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  have
• 27:50
  a
• 27:51
  softball
• 27:51
  question
• 27:52
  for
• 27:52
  James
• 27:53
  just
• 27:54
  for
• 27:55
  him
• 27:55
  to
• 27:56
  just
• 27:56
  tell
• 27:56
  us
• 27:56
  all
• 27:56
  the.
• 27:57
  Tell
• 27:57
  us
• 27:57
  the
• 27:57
  cliff
• 27:57
  notes
• 27:58
  of
• 27:58
  his
• 27:58
  books.
• 27:59
  Okay.
• 28:00
  John
• 28:00
  the
• 28:01
  Baptist
• 28:01
  was
• 28:01
  never
• 28:01
  beheaded.
• 28:02
  Experience
• 28:02
  Jesus
• 28:02
  crucifixion,
• 28:03
  resurrection.
• 28:04
  Are
• 28:05
  we
• 28:05
  taking
• 28:06
  the
• 28:07
  historical
• 28:08
  construct
• 28:09
  of
• 28:09
  John
• 28:09
  the
• 28:10
  Baptist
• 28:10
  here?
• 28:10
  Are
• 28:11
  we
• 28:11
  taking
• 28:11
  John
• 28:12
  as
• 28:12
  he
• 28:12
  is
• 28:12
  presented
• 28:13
  in
• 28:13
  one
• 28:13
  of
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  gospels?
• 28:14
  Like,
• 28:14
  is
• 28:15
  he
• 28:15
  his
• 28:15
  cousin
• 28:15
  or
• 28:15
  not?
• 28:16
  Did
• 28:16
  they
• 28:17
  get
• 28:17
  to
• 28:17
  hang
• 28:17
  out
• 28:17
  in
• 28:17
  the
• 28:17
  belly
• 28:18
  or
• 28:18
  not?
• 28:18
  Like,
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  feel
• 28:20
  like
• 28:20
  we
• 28:20
  have
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  really
• 28:21
  narrow
• 28:21
  this
• 28:21
  down
• 28:21
  because
• 28:22
  there's
• 28:22
  different
• 28:22
  answers
• 28:24
  if.
• 28:24
  Because
• 28:24
  the
• 28:25
  historical
• 28:25
  John
• 28:25
  the
• 28:26
  Baptist.
• 28:26
  Yes,
• 28:26
  yes.
• 28:27
  Has
• 28:27
  a
• 28:27
  different
• 28:27
  relationship
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  Jesus
• 28:29
  than
• 28:29
  any
• 28:30
  of
• 28:30
  them
• 28:30
  in
• 28:30
  canon.
• 28:31
  But
• 28:32
  we
• 28:32
  could
• 28:32
  play
• 28:32
  with
• 28:32
  any
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  them.
• 28:33
  But
• 28:34
  would
• 28:34
  it
• 28:34
  be,
• 28:34
  like,
• 28:34
  how
• 28:35
  would
• 28:35
  Luke
• 28:35
  Acts
• 28:35
  have
• 28:36
  narrated
• 28:36
  the
• 28:37
  story
• 28:37
  different
• 28:37
  If
• 28:37
  John
• 28:38
  the
• 28:38
  Baptist
• 28:38
  is
• 28:38
  never
• 28:38
  beheaded,
• 28:39
  how
• 28:40
  would
• 28:40
  Matthew,
• 28:40
  how
• 28:40
  would
• 28:41
  Mark?
• 28:41
  How
• 28:41
  would
• 28:41
  John?
• 28:41
  See,
• 28:42
  there's.
• 28:43
  You
• 28:43
  have
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  narrow
• 28:43
  the
• 28:44
  one
• 28:44
  question.
• 28:44
  It's
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  lot
• 28:45
  of
• 28:45
  questions.
• 28:46
  No,
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  just,
• 28:46
  you
• 28:47
  need
• 28:47
  to
• 28:47
  narrow
• 28:47
  the
• 28:47
  what
• 28:47
  if?
• 28:48
  Then
• 28:48
  I
• 28:48
  want
• 28:48
  to
• 28:48
  ask
• 28:48
  a
• 28:49
  question.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:50
  there's,
• 28:50
  there's
• 28:50
  a
• 28:50
  whole
• 28:50
  bunch
• 28:50
  of
• 28:50
  other
• 28:51
  woods
• 28:51
  like
• 28:51
  that,
• 28:51
  right?
• 28:51
  It's
• 28:52
  like,
• 28:52
  so,
• 28:52
  I
• 28:52
  mean,
• 28:53
  is
• 28:53
  he
• 28:53
  in
• 28:53
  prison
• 28:53
  for
• 28:54
  this
• 28:54
  or
• 28:54
  does
• 28:54
  he
• 28:54
  never
• 28:54
  end
• 28:54
  up
• 28:55
  in
• 28:55
  prison,
• 28:55
  you
• 28:56
  know,
• 28:57
  hanging
• 28:58
  out
• 28:58
  on,
• 28:58
  like,
• 28:58
  he
• 28:58
  sees,
• 28:59
  like
• 28:59
  he
• 28:59
  sees
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  crucifixion?
• 29:00
  Is
• 29:01
  he.
• 29:01
  He's
• 29:01
  there
• 29:01
  on
• 29:01
  Easter
• 29:02
  morning.
• 29:02
  I
• 29:02
  mean,
• 29:02
  that's
• 29:03
  like.
• 29:03
  We
• 29:03
  can
• 29:03
  run
• 29:04
  with
• 29:04
  it.
• 29:04
  Yeah,
• 29:04
  that's
• 29:04
  right.
• 29:05
  So
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:05
  like.
• 29:05
  Yeah,
• 29:06
  because.
• 29:06
  Yeah,
• 29:07
  we
• 29:07
  can
• 29:07
  each
• 29:07
  take
• 29:07
  different
• 29:08
  routes.
• 29:09
  I
• 29:09
  got
• 29:09
  something
• 29:09
  in
• 29:09
  my
• 29:09
  head.
• 29:10
  But
• 29:11
  so,
• 29:11
  so
• 29:12
  do
• 29:12
  we,
• 29:12
  do
• 29:12
  we
• 29:12
  want
• 29:13
  to
• 29:13
  take
• 29:13
  Luke?
• 29:13
  Do
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  want
• 29:13
  to
• 29:14
  take
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  particular
• 29:14
  Gospel?
• 29:16
  James?
• 29:16
  What
• 29:16
  do
• 29:16
  you,
• 29:16
  what
• 29:16
  do
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  want
• 29:17
  to.
• 29:17
  Which,
• 29:17
  which
• 29:18
  John
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  Baptist
• 29:18
  are
• 29:19
  you.
• 29:19
  Are
• 29:19
  you
• 29:19
  taking
• 29:19
  here
• 29:19
  and
• 29:20
  running
• 29:20
  with
• 29:20
  this
• 29:20
  question?
• 29:21
  Yeah,
• 29:21
  so,
• 29:22
  I
• 29:22
  mean,
• 29:22
  I,
• 29:22
  I
• 29:23
  love
• 29:23
  this
• 29:23
  sort
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  thing.
• 29:23
  And
• 29:24
  so
• 29:24
  for,
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  mean,
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  hope,
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  think
• 29:25
  your,
• 29:26
  you
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:26
  listeners
• 29:27
  and
• 29:27
  viewers
• 29:27
  know
• 29:27
  this
• 29:28
  already,
• 29:28
  but
• 29:28
  asking
• 29:29
  what
• 29:29
  if
• 29:29
  questions
• 29:30
  and
• 29:30
  exploring
• 29:31
  around
• 29:31
  the
• 29:32
  edges
• 29:32
  of
• 29:33
  stories
• 29:33
  is.
• 29:34
  Is
• 29:34
  a
• 29:34
  very,
• 29:35
  you
• 29:35
  know,
• 29:36
  biblical
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  certainly,
• 29:36
  you
• 29:37
  know,
• 29:37
  within
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  Jewish
• 29:37
  tradition
• 29:38
  in
• 29:38
  particular,
• 29:38
  you
• 29:38
  know,
• 29:40
  but
• 29:40
  even
• 29:40
  within
• 29:41
  Christianity,
• 29:41
  I
• 29:42
  mean,
• 29:42
  if
• 29:42
  people
• 29:42
  have
• 29:42
  not
• 29:42
  read
• 29:43
  things
• 29:43
  like
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  infancy
• 29:44
  Gospel
• 29:44
  of
• 29:44
  Thomas,
• 29:45
  right,
• 29:45
  with
• 29:45
  its
• 29:45
  wild
• 29:46
  stories
• 29:46
  about
• 29:46
  young.
• 29:47
  Right.
• 29:48
  The
• 29:48
  terror
• 29:48
  and
• 29:49
  stuff
• 29:49
  like
• 29:49
  that,
• 29:49
  you
• 29:50
  know,
• 29:50
  they
• 29:50
  have
• 29:50
  no
• 29:50
  idea
• 29:50
  what
• 29:51
  kinds
• 29:51
  of
• 29:51
  things
• 29:52
  people
• 29:52
  have
• 29:52
  filled
• 29:53
  in
• 29:53
  with
• 29:53
  their
• 29:53
  imaginations
• 29:54
  right
• 29:54
  into
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  gaps
• 29:55
  in
• 29:55
  the
• 29:55
  story.
• 29:56
  And
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  question
• 29:57
  of
• 29:58
  what
• 29:58
  John
• 29:58
  the
• 29:58
  Baptist
• 29:59
  would
• 29:59
  have
• 29:59
  said
• 30:00
  about
• 30:00
  Jesus
• 30:00
  if
• 30:01
  he
• 30:01
  had
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  chance
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  one
• 30:03
  of
• 30:03
  the
• 30:03
  big
• 30:03
  historical
• 30:04
  questions,
• 30:04
  Right?
• 30:04
  Because
• 30:05
  as
• 30:05
  far
• 30:05
  as
• 30:06
  we
• 30:06
  can
• 30:06
  tell,
• 30:06
  right.
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  mean,
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  Gospels
• 30:08
  give
• 30:08
  us
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  impression
• 30:09
  as
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  whole,
• 30:10
  historically
• 30:11
  speaking,
• 30:11
  that
• 30:12
  John
• 30:13
  didn't
• 30:14
  get
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  chance
• 30:15
  to
• 30:15
  see
• 30:16
  as
• 30:16
  much
• 30:17
  unfold
• 30:17
  and
• 30:17
  didn't
• 30:18
  definitively
• 30:19
  pronounce.
• 30:19
  Right.
• 30:19
  Talked
• 30:20
  about
• 30:20
  one
• 30:20
  who
• 30:20
  is
• 30:20
  to
• 30:20
  come,
• 30:21
  but
• 30:21
  didn't
• 30:21
  definitively
• 30:22
  pronounce
• 30:22
  in
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  way
• 30:23
  that
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  Gospel
• 30:23
  of
• 30:23
  John
• 30:24
  suggests
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  he
• 30:24
  did.
• 30:24
  Right.
• 30:25
  Which,
• 30:25
  Right,
• 30:26
  most
• 30:26
  historians
• 30:27
  think
• 30:27
  is,
• 30:28
  you
• 30:29
  know,
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  church
• 30:30
  sort
• 30:30
  of
• 30:30
  retrojecting,
• 30:31
  essentially
• 30:32
  answering
• 30:32
  your
• 30:33
  what
• 30:33
  if
• 30:33
  Question.
• 30:33
  Right?
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:35
  If
• 30:35
  John
• 30:35
  had
• 30:36
  had
• 30:36
  the
• 30:36
  chance
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  comment
• 30:37
  on
• 30:37
  sort
• 30:38
  of
• 30:38
  Jesus
• 30:38
  stepping
• 30:39
  into
• 30:39
  the
• 30:40
  leadership
• 30:40
  of
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  movement
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  then,
• 30:41
  you
• 30:42
  know,
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  crucifixion,
• 30:42
  all
• 30:43
  these
• 30:43
  things,
• 30:43
  what
• 30:43
  would
• 30:44
  John
• 30:44
  have
• 30:44
  said?
• 30:45
  If
• 30:46
  we
• 30:46
  go.
• 30:46
  Go
• 30:47
  back?
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  mean,
• 30:47
  in,
• 30:48
  in
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  Gospel
• 30:49
  of
• 30:49
  Mark,
• 30:50
  right?
• 30:51
  We
• 30:51
  don't
• 30:51
  have,
• 30:51
  we
• 30:52
  don't
• 30:52
  have
• 30:52
  any
• 30:52
  of
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  stuff,
• 30:53
  right.
• 30:54
  In,
• 30:54
  in
• 30:55
  Matthew,
• 30:56
  Matthew
• 30:56
  introduces
• 30:57
  this
• 30:58
  recognition
• 30:58
  of
• 30:58
  John
• 30:59
  when
• 30:59
  He
• 31:00
  of
• 31:00
  Jesus
• 31:01
  by
• 31:01
  John
• 31:01
  when
• 31:01
  he
• 31:02
  baptized
• 31:02
  him,
• 31:03
  which
• 31:03
  creates
• 31:04
  awkwardness.
• 31:04
  Right.
• 31:04
  So
• 31:05
  some
• 31:05
  people
• 31:05
  have
• 31:05
  taken
• 31:06
  John's
• 31:07
  question
• 31:07
  from
• 31:07
  prison
• 31:08
  as
• 31:08
  indicating
• 31:09
  sort
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  John
• 31:10
  losing
• 31:10
  his
• 31:10
  faith
• 31:10
  that
• 31:11
  he
• 31:11
  previously
• 31:11
  had
• 31:11
  because
• 31:12
  Matthew
• 31:13
  introduces
• 31:13
  that
• 31:13
  early
• 31:14
  recognition
• 31:14
  that
• 31:14
  wasn't
• 31:15
  there
• 31:15
  in
• 31:15
  any
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  the
• 31:16
  source
• 31:16
  material.
• 31:17
  And
• 31:17
  I
• 31:18
  don't
• 31:18
  think
• 31:18
  it
• 31:18
  needs
• 31:18
  to
• 31:18
  be
• 31:18
  taken
• 31:19
  that
• 31:19
  way.
• 31:19
  You
• 31:19
  know,
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  think
• 31:20
  if
• 31:20
  anything,
• 31:20
  the
• 31:21
  question
• 31:21
  from
• 31:21
  John
• 31:22
  is,
• 31:22
  you
• 31:22
  know,
• 31:23
  so
• 31:23
  are
• 31:23
  you
• 31:23
  just
• 31:24
  taking
• 31:24
  over
• 31:24
  leadership?
• 31:25
  Like,
• 31:25
  because
• 31:25
  I'm
• 31:26
  now
• 31:26
  in
• 31:26
  prison,
• 31:27
  but
• 31:27
  the
• 31:28
  coming
• 31:28
  stronger
• 31:28
  one
• 31:29
  is
• 31:29
  going
• 31:29
  to
• 31:29
  be
• 31:29
  someone
• 31:29
  else,
• 31:30
  or
• 31:30
  are
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  going
• 31:31
  to
• 31:31
  do
• 31:31
  this
• 31:31
  thing?
• 31:32
  Is
• 31:32
  that
• 31:32
  Matthew
• 31:33
  or
• 31:33
  is
• 31:33
  that
• 31:34
  only
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  Matthew
• 31:34
  Luke?
• 31:35
  And
• 31:35
  so
• 31:35
  it's
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  kind
• 31:36
  of
• 31:36
  thing
• 31:36
  that,
• 31:36
  that
• 31:36
  those
• 31:37
  who
• 31:38
  think
• 31:38
  they're
• 31:39
  source
• 31:39
  would
• 31:40
  attribute
• 31:40
  to
• 31:40
  that.
• 31:40
  But
• 31:41
  we
• 31:42
  don't
• 31:42
  need
• 31:42
  to
• 31:42
  get
• 31:42
  into
• 31:42
  that
• 31:43
  in
• 31:43
  order
• 31:43
  to
• 31:44
  explore
• 31:44
  this.
• 31:44
  And
• 31:45
  probably
• 31:45
  better
• 31:45
  not
• 31:45
  to
• 31:49
  even
• 31:50
  take
• 31:50
  it
• 31:50
  as
• 31:50
  an
• 31:50
  invitation.
• 31:51
  You
• 31:51
  know,
• 31:51
  it's
• 31:51
  like,
• 31:52
  so
• 31:52
  are
• 31:52
  you.
• 31:53
  Are
• 31:53
  you
• 31:53
  just
• 31:54
  kind
• 31:54
  of
• 31:54
  keeping
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  thing
• 31:55
  going
• 31:55
  until
• 31:55
  that
• 31:55
  stronger
• 31:56
  figure
• 31:56
  arrives?
• 31:56
  Are
• 31:57
  you
• 31:57
  going
• 31:57
  to
• 31:57
  be
• 31:57
  that
• 31:57
  stronger?
• 31:58
  And
• 31:58
  by
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  way,
• 31:58
  I
• 31:58
  would
• 31:58
  really
• 31:59
  love
• 31:59
  it
• 31:59
  if
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  would
• 31:59
  step
• 31:59
  into
• 32:00
  that
• 32:00
  role.
• 32:01
  There
• 32:02
  are
• 32:02
  all
• 32:02
  kinds
• 32:02
  of
• 32:02
  historical
• 32:03
  questions,
• 32:04
  you
• 32:04
  know,
• 32:04
  like,
• 32:04
  why
• 32:04
  did
• 32:05
  Herod
• 32:05
  Antipas
• 32:06
  keep
• 32:06
  John
• 32:06
  alive?
• 32:06
  Right?
• 32:07
  Why
• 32:07
  not
• 32:07
  just
• 32:07
  behead
• 32:08
  him?
• 32:08
  Like,
• 32:08
  why
• 32:08
  not
• 32:09
  just
• 32:09
  get
• 32:09
  rid
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  him?
• 32:09
  And
• 32:10
  Mark
• 32:11
  suggests,
• 32:11
  oh,
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  know,
• 32:12
  Antipas
• 32:13
  loved
• 32:13
  listening
• 32:13
  to
• 32:14
  John.
• 32:14
  And
• 32:15
  not
• 32:15
  only
• 32:15
  does
• 32:15
  Josephus
• 32:16
  suggest,
• 32:17
  yeah,
• 32:17
  no,
• 32:18
  but
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  mean,
• 32:18
  Matthew
• 32:19
  like
• 32:19
  rolls
• 32:20
  that
• 32:20
  back
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  is
• 32:20
  like,
• 32:20
  yeah,
• 32:21
  no,
• 32:21
  Antipas
• 32:21
  wanted
• 32:21
  to
• 32:22
  kill
• 32:22
  John.
• 32:22
  Right.
• 32:23
  But
• 32:23
  then
• 32:23
  he
• 32:23
  still
• 32:23
  includes
• 32:24
  Mark's
• 32:24
  story.
• 32:24
  So,
• 32:25
  yeah,
• 32:25
  some
• 32:25
  of
• 32:25
  that
• 32:26
  storytelling
• 32:26
  gets
• 32:26
  very
• 32:27
  complicated
• 32:27
  when
• 32:28
  it
• 32:28
  comes
• 32:28
  to
• 32:28
  historical
• 32:29
  questions.
• 32:30
  I
• 32:30
  mean,
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  think
• 32:31
  the
• 32:31
  two,
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  two
• 32:32
  fun
• 32:32
  scenarios
• 32:33
  it
• 32:33
  would
• 32:33
  be
• 32:33
  fun
• 32:34
  to.
• 32:34
  Yeah,
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  mean,
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  mean,
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  think
• 32:35
  the
• 32:36
  interesting
• 32:36
  scenarios
• 32:36
  it
• 32:37
  would
• 32:37
  be
• 32:37
  fun
• 32:37
  to
• 32:38
  explore
• 32:38
  are,
• 32:38
  you
• 32:38
  know,
• 32:39
  John
• 32:39
  saying,
• 32:39
  see,
• 32:40
  I
• 32:40
  told
• 32:40
  you,
• 32:41
  and
• 32:42
  oh,
• 32:42
  wow,
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  guess
• 32:43
  he
• 32:43
  was
• 32:43
  a
• 32:44
  messiah,
• 32:44
  you
• 32:44
  know,
• 32:44
  or
• 32:44
  something.
• 32:44
  You
• 32:45
  know,
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  mean,
• 32:45
  there's
• 32:45
  all
• 32:45
  kinds
• 32:46
  of
• 32:46
  things
• 32:46
  where
• 32:46
  it's
• 32:46
  like,
• 32:47
  yeah,
• 32:48
  because
• 32:48
  one
• 32:49
  of
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  things
• 32:49
  that
• 32:50
  your
• 32:50
  question
• 32:50
  doesn't
• 32:51
  ask
• 32:51
  that
• 32:51
  I
• 32:52
  think
• 32:52
  is
• 32:52
  relevant
• 32:53
  to
• 32:53
  this,
• 32:53
  is
• 32:53
  how
• 32:53
  much
• 32:54
  of
• 32:54
  Jesus
• 32:55
  own
• 32:55
  understanding
• 32:56
  of
• 32:56
  himself
• 32:57
  and
• 32:57
  his,
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  fact
• 32:58
  that
• 32:58
  he
• 32:58
  would
• 32:59
  be
• 32:59
  an
• 32:59
  unconventional
• 33:00
  messiah
• 33:00
  who
• 33:01
  would
• 33:01
  follow
• 33:01
  a
• 33:01
  path
• 33:01
  to
• 33:02
  suffering,
• 33:02
  was
• 33:03
  him
• 33:03
  thinking,
• 33:04
  okay,
• 33:04
  John
• 33:05
  was
• 33:05
  sent
• 33:06
  ahead
• 33:06
  of
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  stronger
• 33:07
  one
• 33:07
  and
• 33:07
  look
• 33:07
  what
• 33:07
  they
• 33:08
  did
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  him.
• 33:09
  And
• 33:09
  so
• 33:10
  my
• 33:10
  role,
• 33:11
  if
• 33:11
  I'm
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  follow
• 33:12
  after
• 33:12
  him
• 33:12
  as
• 33:13
  stronger
• 33:13
  one,
• 33:13
  is
• 33:14
  to
• 33:14
  be
• 33:14
  stronger
• 33:15
  in
• 33:15
  the
• 33:15
  same
• 33:15
  kind
• 33:15
  of
• 33:15
  unexpected
• 33:16
  way
• 33:17
  on
• 33:17
  the
• 33:17
  path
• 33:17
  of
• 33:18
  suffering
• 33:18
  and
• 33:20
  being
• 33:20
  willing
• 33:20
  to
• 33:20
  give
• 33:20
  my
• 33:21
  life
• 33:21
  that
• 33:21
  John
• 33:21
  did.
• 33:21
  Right.
• 33:22
  And
• 33:22
  so
• 33:22
  how
• 33:22
  much
• 33:22
  did
• 33:22
  John's
• 33:23
  death
• 33:23
  mark
• 33:23
  a
• 33:24
  turning
• 33:24
  point
• 33:25
  in
• 33:25
  Jesus
• 33:25
  own
• 33:25
  Self
• 33:26
  understanding
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  interpretation
• 33:27
  of,
• 33:28
  you
• 33:28
  know,
• 33:28
  his
• 33:28
  own,
• 33:28
  his
• 33:29
  own
• 33:29
  role.
• 33:29
  Right.
• 33:30
  Which
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  think
• 33:30
  is
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  key
• 33:31
  question.
• 33:31
  Yeah,
• 33:32
  My,
• 33:32
  my
• 33:32
  seminary,
• 33:33
  New
• 33:33
  Testament
• 33:35
  professor
• 33:35
  in
• 33:35
  seminary,
• 33:36
  Dr.
• 33:36
  Siegel,
• 33:36
  he,
• 33:37
  he
• 33:37
  was
• 33:37
  of
• 33:37
  the,
• 33:38
  he
• 33:38
  was
• 33:38
  of
• 33:38
  the
• 33:38
  mindset
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  even
• 33:39
  Jesus
• 33:40
  was
• 33:40
  surprised
• 33:40
  by
• 33:40
  his
• 33:41
  resurrection,
• 33:41
  that
• 33:42
  he
• 33:42
  thought
• 33:42
  like
• 33:42
  something
• 33:43
  after
• 33:43
  him.
• 33:43
  So
• 33:43
  there
• 33:43
  was
• 33:44
  this
• 33:44
  kind
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  like,
• 33:44
  aha
• 33:45
  moment
• 33:45
  even
• 33:45
  after
• 33:45
  resurrection.
• 33:46
  It's
• 33:46
  like,
• 33:46
  oh
• 33:46
  yeah,
• 33:47
  like,
• 33:47
  and
• 33:48
  then
• 33:48
  if
• 33:48
  he,
• 33:48
  and
• 33:48
  then
• 33:48
  if
• 33:49
  he
• 33:49
  knew
• 33:49
  all
• 33:49
  that
• 33:49
  stuff,
• 33:50
  then
• 33:50
  he
• 33:50
  would
• 33:50
  have
• 33:50
  ceased
• 33:50
  being
• 33:51
  like
• 33:51
  truly
• 33:51
  human.
• 33:51
  If
• 33:51
  he,
• 33:52
  if
• 33:52
  he
• 33:52
  didn't
• 33:52
  suffer
• 33:52
  and
• 33:53
  thought
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  was
• 33:53
  just
• 33:53
  going
• 33:53
  to
• 33:53
  be
• 33:54
  validated,
• 33:54
  resurrect,
• 33:55
  directed
• 33:55
  after
• 33:55
  this,
• 33:55
  then
• 33:56
  maybe
• 33:56
  it
• 33:56
  was
• 33:56
  like,
• 33:56
  I'll
• 33:56
  just
• 33:57
  endure
• 33:57
  this
• 33:57
  pain
• 33:57
  for
• 33:58
  a
• 33:58
  couple
• 33:58
  of
• 33:58
  days
• 33:58
  and
• 33:58
  then
• 33:59
  I'll
• 33:59
  be
• 33:59
  back.
• 33:59
  But
• 34:00
  like,
• 34:01
  so,
• 34:01
  so
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  was
• 34:02
  an
• 34:02
  interesting
• 34:02
  take,
• 34:02
  but
• 34:02
  I,
• 34:03
  I,
• 34:03
  this
• 34:03
  idea
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  John
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  Baptist
• 34:06
  being
• 34:06
  a
• 34:06
  precursor
• 34:07
  not
• 34:07
  only
• 34:07
  like,
• 34:08
  prepare
• 34:08
  the
• 34:08
  way
• 34:08
  of
• 34:08
  the
• 34:08
  Lord
• 34:09
  for
• 34:09
  Jesus
• 34:09
  coming
• 34:10
  and
• 34:11
  his
• 34:11
  baptism,
• 34:11
  but
• 34:12
  also
• 34:12
  prepare
• 34:13
  ye
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  way
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  Lord
• 34:14
  for
• 34:14
  his
• 34:14
  suffering
• 34:15
  is
• 34:15
  something
• 34:15
  that's
• 34:16
  very
• 34:16
  interesting
• 34:16
  that
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  haven't
• 34:17
  thought
• 34:17
  about
• 34:17
  before.
• 34:17
  Before
• 34:18
  you
• 34:18
  just
• 34:18
  said
• 34:18
  that,
• 34:19
  that
• 34:19
  like
• 34:19
  perhaps
• 34:20
  prepare
• 34:20
  you
• 34:20
  the
• 34:21
  way
• 34:21
  of
• 34:21
  his
• 34:21
  beheading
• 34:22
  and
• 34:23
  execution
• 34:24
  by
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  state,
• 34:25
  by
• 34:25
  empire
• 34:26
  and
• 34:27
  those
• 34:27
  in
• 34:27
  power
• 34:29
  also
• 34:30
  pave
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  way
• 34:30
  and
• 34:31
  prepare
• 34:31
  you
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  way
• 34:31
  of
• 34:32
  Jesus
• 34:32
  own
• 34:33
  crucifixion
• 34:33
  and
• 34:33
  suffering
• 34:34
  is
• 34:35
  interesting
• 34:35
  to
• 34:35
  me.
• 34:36
  I
• 34:37
  love
• 34:37
  that.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:37
  in
• 34:38
  my
• 34:38
  mind
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  what
• 34:39
  if
• 34:39
  is
• 34:39
  like,
• 34:39
  okay,
• 34:40
  you
• 34:40
  get
• 34:40
  Acts.
• 34:41
  You
• 34:41
  got
• 34:41
  this
• 34:41
  kind
• 34:42
  of
• 34:42
  tension
• 34:42
  between
• 34:43
  Peter
• 34:43
  and
• 34:44
  Paul
• 34:44
  in
• 34:44
  terms
• 34:45
  of
• 34:45
  how
• 34:45
  their
• 34:45
  understanding
• 34:46
  what
• 34:46
  it
• 34:46
  means
• 34:47
  to
• 34:47
  be
• 34:47
  a
• 34:47
  Christ
• 34:47
  follower
• 34:48
  post
• 34:48
  resurrection
• 34:49
  and
• 34:49
  what
• 34:49
  that
• 34:49
  looks
• 34:50
  like
• 34:50
  in
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  world.
• 34:50
  You
• 34:50
  see
• 34:50
  that
• 34:51
  kind
• 34:51
  of
• 34:51
  ironed
• 34:51
  out
• 34:51
  in
• 34:51
  Acts
• 34:52
  later
• 34:52
  on
• 34:52
  in
• 34:52
  church
• 34:52
  history,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:54
  wonder
• 34:54
  if,
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  know,
• 34:56
  if
• 34:56
  what
• 34:56
  if
• 34:57
  he
• 34:57
  was
• 34:57
  ever
• 34:57
  beheaded
• 34:58
  or
• 34:58
  killed,
• 34:58
  but
• 34:59
  experienced
• 34:59
  or
• 34:59
  saw
• 35:00
  or
• 35:00
  witnessed
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  resurrect,
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  crucifixion
• 35:02
  from
• 35:02
  prison
• 35:02
  or
• 35:02
  even
• 35:03
  out
• 35:03
  in
• 35:03
  the
• 35:03
  crowd
• 35:04
  with
• 35:04
  his
• 35:04
  disciples
• 35:05
  and
• 35:05
  women
• 35:05
  or
• 35:06
  whatever.
• 35:06
  And
• 35:07
  post
• 35:07
  resurrection
• 35:08
  would
• 35:08
  be
• 35:08
  a
• 35:09
  third
• 35:09
  factor.
• 35:10
  Not
• 35:10
  Peter
• 35:11
  and
• 35:11
  Paul,
• 35:11
  but
• 35:12
  there's
• 35:12
  also
• 35:12
  John
• 35:12
  the
• 35:13
  Baptist
• 35:13
  who
• 35:13
  has
• 35:13
  his
• 35:13
  own
• 35:14
  following,
• 35:14
  that
• 35:15
  they're
• 35:15
  now
• 35:15
  intermingling.
• 35:16
  So
• 35:16
  that's
• 35:16
  the
• 35:17
  thing
• 35:17
  that
• 35:17
  run
• 35:17
  through
• 35:17
  my
• 35:17
  head
• 35:17
  in
• 35:17
  kind
• 35:18
  of
• 35:18
  church
• 35:18
  history.
• 35:18
  You
• 35:19
  have
• 35:19
  this
• 35:19
  other
• 35:19
  wing
• 35:20
  of
• 35:20
  Christendom
• 35:21
  rather
• 35:21
  than
• 35:21
  Pauline
• 35:22
  and
• 35:23
  Peter,
• 35:23
  but
• 35:23
  you
• 35:24
  have
• 35:25
  John
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  Baptist
• 35:25
  running,
• 35:26
  running,
• 35:26
  running
• 35:27
  with
• 35:27
  it.
• 35:28
  Yeah,
• 35:28
  I
• 35:28
  mean,
• 35:28
  there's
• 35:29
  so
• 35:29
  many
• 35:29
  ways
• 35:29
  we
• 35:29
  could
• 35:29
  go
• 35:30
  with
• 35:30
  this.
• 35:30
  Right?
• 35:30
  I
• 35:30
  mean,
• 35:30
  on
• 35:31
  the
• 35:31
  one
• 35:31
  hand,
• 35:31
  you
• 35:32
  know,
• 35:32
  the,
• 35:32
  the
• 35:32
  TARDIS
• 35:33
  showing
• 35:33
  up
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  John's
• 35:34
  prison
• 35:34
  cell
• 35:34
  and
• 35:35
  getting
• 35:35
  him
• 35:35
  out
• 35:35
  of
• 35:35
  there
• 35:35
  just
• 35:35
  in
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  nick
• 35:36
  of
• 35:36
  time
• 35:36
  or
• 35:36
  something,
• 35:37
  you
• 35:37
  know,
• 35:37
  could
• 35:37
  be
• 35:37
  cool.
• 35:38
  But
• 35:38
  I
• 35:38
  mean,
• 35:38
  think
• 35:39
  about
• 35:39
  it,
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  know,
• 35:39
  for
• 35:39
  somebody
• 35:40
  who
• 35:40
  wants
• 35:40
  to
• 35:40
  do
• 35:40
  the
• 35:40
  what
• 35:40
  if?
• 35:41
  But
• 35:41
  also
• 35:41
  is
• 35:41
  like,
• 35:42
  okay,
• 35:42
  but
• 35:42
  the
• 35:43
  gospels
• 35:43
  say
• 35:44
  he
• 35:44
  was
• 35:44
  beheaded,
• 35:44
  right?
• 35:45
  And
• 35:46
  presumably.
• 35:46
  And
• 35:47
  we're
• 35:47
  told
• 35:47
  that
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  disciples
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  John
• 35:48
  are
• 35:48
  given
• 35:49
  his
• 35:49
  body,
• 35:50
  right?
• 35:50
  And
• 35:50
  the
• 35:50
  head.
• 35:51
  It's
• 35:51
  later
• 35:52
  tradition
• 35:52
  that
• 35:52
  that
• 35:52
  shows
• 35:53
  up
• 35:53
  and
• 35:53
  you
• 35:53
  know,
• 35:54
  so
• 35:55
  what
• 35:55
  if
• 35:56
  Antipas,
• 35:57
  wanting
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  put
• 35:57
  an
• 35:58
  end
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  this,
• 35:58
  but
• 35:58
  also
• 35:58
  hoping
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  get
• 35:59
  information
• 35:59
  about
• 36:00
  John,
• 36:00
  keeps
• 36:00
  John
• 36:01
  alive,
• 36:01
  but
• 36:02
  gives
• 36:02
  a
• 36:02
  body,
• 36:02
  somebody
• 36:03
  else's
• 36:03
  body
• 36:03
  to
• 36:03
  the
• 36:04
  disciples
• 36:04
  so
• 36:05
  that
• 36:05
  people
• 36:05
  will
• 36:05
  think.
• 36:07
  And
• 36:07
  then
• 36:08
  eventually,
• 36:08
  you
• 36:08
  know,
• 36:09
  he
• 36:09
  gets
• 36:09
  out
• 36:09
  and
• 36:09
  there's
• 36:10
  some
• 36:10
  kind
• 36:10
  of,
• 36:10
  you
• 36:10
  know,
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  mean,
• 36:11
  there's
• 36:11
  so
• 36:11
  kinds
• 36:12
  of.
• 36:12
  All
• 36:12
  kinds
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  fun
• 36:13
  things
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  could
• 36:13
  do
• 36:13
  with
• 36:13
  this.
• 36:13
  And
• 36:14
  I
• 36:14
  love
• 36:14
  those
• 36:14
  things.
• 36:15
  So
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  want
• 36:16
  that
• 36:16
  movie,
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  want
• 36:17
  that
• 36:17
  Netflix
• 36:17
  show.
• 36:18
  Someone
• 36:18
  do
• 36:18
  that
• 36:18
  one.
• 36:19
  Someone
• 36:19
  tell
• 36:19
  that
• 36:19
  story.
• 36:20
  Yeah.
• 36:20
  So
• 36:20
  I
• 36:21
  actually,
• 36:21
  I
• 36:21
  mean,
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  first
• 36:22
  dabbling
• 36:22
  into
• 36:22
  like
• 36:23
  historical
• 36:23
  fiction
• 36:23
  that
• 36:24
  I
• 36:24
  did,
• 36:24
  you
• 36:24
  know,
• 36:24
  not
• 36:24
  sci
• 36:25
  fi,
• 36:25
  but
• 36:26
  was
• 36:26
  somebody
• 36:27
  asked
• 36:27
  me
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  question,
• 36:27
  random
• 36:28
  question
• 36:28
  on
• 36:28
  my
• 36:28
  blog,
• 36:29
  right?
• 36:29
  And
• 36:29
  it
• 36:29
  was,
• 36:30
  has
• 36:30
  anyone
• 36:31
  ever,
• 36:31
  you
• 36:32
  know,
• 36:32
  explored
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  possibility
• 36:33
  that
• 36:34
  the
• 36:34
  three
• 36:34
  Magi
• 36:35
  were
• 36:35
  historical,
• 36:36
  but
• 36:37
  they
• 36:37
  were
• 36:37
  sent
• 36:37
  by
• 36:38
  the
• 36:38
  king
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  Parthia
• 36:39
  to
• 36:39
  stir
• 36:39
  up
• 36:39
  trouble,
• 36:40
  to
• 36:40
  say,
• 36:40
  hey,
• 36:41
  we've
• 36:41
  heard
• 36:41
  there's
• 36:42
  a
• 36:42
  new
• 36:42
  king
• 36:42
  born,
• 36:43
  you
• 36:43
  know,
• 36:43
  and
• 36:43
  to
• 36:43
  just
• 36:43
  like.
• 36:44
  And
• 36:44
  I
• 36:44
  was
• 36:44
  like,
• 36:45
  like,
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:45
  think
• 36:45
  anyone's
• 36:46
  ever
• 36:46
  suggests
• 36:46
  that,
• 36:47
  but
• 36:47
  oh
• 36:47
  gosh,
• 36:48
  somebody's
• 36:48
  got
• 36:48
  to
• 36:48
  write
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  story.
• 36:49
  That
• 36:49
  is
• 36:50
  great.
• 36:50
  And
• 36:50
  so
• 36:51
  that
• 36:51
  was
• 36:51
  what
• 36:52
  inspired
• 36:52
  me
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  write
• 36:52
  a
• 36:53
  story
• 36:53
  called
• 36:53
  We
• 36:53
  Three
• 36:54
  Spies
• 36:54
  of
• 36:54
  Parthia
• 36:55
  are
• 36:55
  so.
• 36:58
  Yes,
• 37:00
  one
• 37:02
  now.
• 37:02
  Now
• 37:02
  I
• 37:03
  want
• 37:03
  to
• 37:03
  read
• 37:03
  that.
• 37:04
  Please
• 37:04
  do.
• 37:05
  One
• 37:05
  of
• 37:05
  the.
• 37:06
  One
• 37:06
  of
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  other
• 37:07
  options,
• 37:07
  if
• 37:07
  you're
• 37:08
  you
• 37:08
  picking
• 37:08
  one
• 37:08
  of
• 37:08
  the
• 37:09
  gospels
• 37:09
  is
• 37:09
  take
• 37:09
  Matthew
• 37:10
  and
• 37:10
  he
• 37:10
  is
• 37:11
  actually
• 37:11
  beheaded,
• 37:11
  but
• 37:12
  he's
• 37:12
  one
• 37:12
  of
• 37:12
  the
• 37:12
  people
• 37:13
  that
• 37:13
  come
• 37:13
  back
• 37:14
  from
• 37:14
  the
• 37:14
  dead
• 37:15
  at
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  crucifixion.
• 37:16
  Yeah.
• 37:16
  There's
• 37:16
  zombies
• 37:17
  walking
• 37:17
  around
• 37:17
  after
• 37:18
  cross
• 37:18
  fiction.
• 37:18
  Yeah.
• 37:18
  Yeah,
• 37:19
  that's
• 37:19
  weird.
• 37:20
  Two
• 37:20
  line
• 37:22
  systematic
• 37:22
  ecology.
• 37:23
  You
• 37:23
  got
• 37:23
  it.
• 37:24
  If
• 37:24
  you
• 37:24
  get
• 37:24
  zombies,
• 37:25
  there's
• 37:26
  a
• 37:26
  reason
• 37:26
  it's
• 37:26
  the
• 37:26
  first
• 37:27
  gospel.
• 37:27
  It's
• 37:27
  not
• 37:27
  because
• 37:28
  it's
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  oldest.
• 37:28
  It's
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  only
• 37:29
  one
• 37:29
  with
• 37:29
  zombies.
• 37:31
  There's
• 37:31
  earthquakes
• 37:32
  and
• 37:32
  dazzling
• 37:32
  lightning
• 37:33
  and
• 37:33
  all
• 37:33
  that
• 37:34
  stuff
• 37:34
  there.
• 37:35
  And
• 37:35
  then
• 37:35
  people
• 37:36
  are
• 37:36
  witnessing
• 37:36
  the
• 37:36
  dead
• 37:37
  walking
• 37:37
  around
• 37:37
  and.
• 37:38
  And
• 37:38
  why
• 37:38
  couldn't
• 37:38
  it
• 37:38
  be
• 37:39
  John
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  Baptist?
• 37:40
  I
• 37:40
  was
• 37:40
  thinking
• 37:41
  one
• 37:42
  of
• 37:42
  the,
• 37:42
  One
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  the
• 37:43
  big
• 37:43
  questions,
• 37:44
  right,
• 37:44
  if.
• 37:45
  If
• 37:45
  he's
• 37:46
  experienced
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  crucifixion
• 37:47
  and
• 37:47
  resurrection
• 37:48
  and
• 37:49
  how
• 37:50
  that
• 37:50
  reshapes
• 37:50
  early
• 37:51
  Christianity
• 37:51
  is
• 37:52
  whether
• 37:52
  or
• 37:52
  not
• 37:53
  seeing
• 37:53
  the
• 37:54
  crucifixion
• 37:54
  resurrection
• 37:55
  validates
• 37:55
  something
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  the
• 37:57
  way
• 37:57
  Jesus
• 37:57
  was
• 37:58
  different
• 37:58
  than
• 37:58
  John
• 37:58
  to
• 37:59
  John.
• 37:59
  Because
• 38:00
  if
• 38:00
  not,
• 38:01
  when
• 38:01
  you
• 38:01
  look
• 38:01
  at
• 38:01
  Josephus,
• 38:02
  which
• 38:02
  talks
• 38:03
  about
• 38:03
  John
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  Baptist,
• 38:04
  More
• 38:04
  than
• 38:04
  Jesus.
• 38:07
  He
• 38:07
  also
• 38:07
  reports
• 38:08
  on
• 38:08
  James
• 38:09
  and
• 38:09
  his
• 38:09
  central
• 38:10
  role
• 38:10
  in
• 38:11
  the
• 38:11
  Christian
• 38:11
  community
• 38:12
  in
• 38:12
  Jerusalem.
• 38:13
  And
• 38:14
  it's
• 38:14
  one
• 38:14
  that
• 38:14
  is
• 38:14
  much
• 38:15
  more
• 38:15
  connected
• 38:16
  to
• 38:16
  the,
• 38:16
  the
• 38:17
  temple
• 38:17
  life
• 38:17
  and
• 38:18
  such
• 38:18
  than
• 38:18
  John
• 38:18
  was.
• 38:20
  So
• 38:20
  then,
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  know,
• 38:21
  if
• 38:21
  he
• 38:21
  experiences
• 38:22
  the
• 38:22
  crucifixion,
• 38:22
  resurrection,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:24
  now
• 38:24
  have
• 38:25
  the
• 38:25
  Pauline
• 38:26
  expression.
• 38:26
  But
• 38:26
  what's
• 38:26
  going
• 38:27
  on
• 38:27
  in
• 38:27
  Jerusalem
• 38:27
  now
• 38:28
  has
• 38:28
  two
• 38:28
  different
• 38:29
  tents
• 38:29
  in
• 38:29
  it.
• 38:29
  You
• 38:30
  got
• 38:30
  James,
• 38:30
  who's
• 38:31
  still
• 38:31
  in
• 38:31
  the
• 38:31
  temple,
• 38:32
  Pharisees
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  Sadducees
• 38:34
  getting
• 38:34
  along,
• 38:35
  having
• 38:35
  nice
• 38:35
  little
• 38:35
  Bible
• 38:36
  arguments
• 38:36
  with
• 38:36
  them,
• 38:37
  doing
• 38:37
  their
• 38:37
  thing.
• 38:37
  But
• 38:38
  they're
• 38:38
  like,
• 38:38
  we
• 38:38
  also
• 38:38
  have
• 38:38
  something
• 38:39
  on
• 38:39
  Sunday.
• 38:40
  And
• 38:40
  then
• 38:40
  you
• 38:40
  got
• 38:41
  John
• 38:41
  the
• 38:41
  Baptist
• 38:41
  that's
• 38:42
  out
• 38:42
  there,
• 38:42
  like,
• 38:42
  why
• 38:43
  you
• 38:43
  got
• 38:43
  to
• 38:43
  go
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  the
• 38:43
  temple?
• 38:43
  I'm
• 38:44
  going
• 38:44
  to
• 38:44
  baptize
• 38:44
  you
• 38:44
  out
• 38:44
  here.
• 38:45
  He's
• 38:45
  got
• 38:46
  criticisms
• 38:46
  of
• 38:46
  all
• 38:47
  of
• 38:47
  it.
• 38:47
  And
• 38:48
  so
• 38:48
  now,
• 38:48
  now
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  gotta.
• 38:49
  Now
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  got
• 38:50
  multiple
• 38:50
  wings
• 38:51
  in
• 38:51
  the.
• 38:51
  Kind
• 38:52
  of
• 38:52
  anti
• 38:52
  organized
• 38:53
  religion,
• 38:53
  anti
• 38:54
  temple,
• 38:54
  you
• 38:54
  know,
• 38:55
  or
• 38:55
  not
• 38:55
  necessarily
• 38:55
  anti
• 38:56
  temple,
• 38:56
  but
• 38:56
  like
• 38:57
  it's
• 38:57
  not
• 38:57
  just
• 38:57
  in
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  temple,
• 38:58
  it's
• 38:58
  experiencing
• 38:59
  in
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  waters,
• 38:59
  beyond,
• 39:00
  beyond
• 39:00
  boundaries.
• 39:01
  So
• 39:02
  yeah,
• 39:02
  that'd
• 39:02
  be
• 39:02
  interesting
• 39:03
  aspect
• 39:03
  of.
• 39:03
  How
• 39:03
  James
• 39:04
  is
• 39:04
  going
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  tell
• 39:04
  us
• 39:04
  we
• 39:05
  were
• 39:05
  wrong.
• 39:05
  No,
• 39:06
  no,
• 39:06
  what
• 39:06
  I'm
• 39:07
  thinking
• 39:07
  is
• 39:07
  so
• 39:07
  after,
• 39:07
  after
• 39:08
  I
• 39:08
  get
• 39:08
  around
• 39:08
  Clay,
• 39:08
  the,
• 39:08
  you
• 39:09
  know,
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  Antipas
• 39:10
  fake
• 39:10
  John's
• 39:11
  death
• 39:11
  story,
• 39:12
  which,
• 39:12
  you
• 39:12
  know,
• 39:12
  I'm
• 39:13
  like,
• 39:13
  oh
• 39:13
  gosh,
• 39:13
  you
• 39:13
  know,
• 39:13
  just
• 39:14
  that
• 39:14
  just
• 39:14
  occurred
• 39:14
  to
• 39:14
  me
• 39:14
  as
• 39:14
  we're
• 39:15
  talking.
• 39:15
  I'm
• 39:15
  like,
• 39:15
  oh,
• 39:15
  yeah,
• 39:16
  no,
• 39:16
  I
• 39:16
  want
• 39:16
  to
• 39:16
  do
• 39:16
  that.
• 39:17
  Yeah.
• 39:17
  Also
• 39:18
  want
• 39:18
  like
• 39:18
  it,
• 39:18
  it
• 39:18
  could
• 39:19
  be
• 39:19
  like
• 39:19
  flash
• 39:19
  fiction,
• 39:20
  like
• 39:20
  really
• 39:20
  short.
• 39:20
  But.
• 39:21
  Right,
• 39:22
  because
• 39:22
  you
• 39:22
  mentioned
• 39:22
  like
• 39:23
  the
• 39:23
  zombies
• 39:23
  in
• 39:23
  Matthew,
• 39:24
  the
• 39:24
  resurrected
• 39:25
  saints,
• 39:25
  like,
• 39:26
  you
• 39:26
  know,
• 39:26
  and
• 39:26
  even
• 39:26
  if
• 39:27
  that
• 39:27
  doesn't
• 39:27
  include
• 39:27
  John
• 39:27
  the
• 39:28
  Baptist.
• 39:28
  Right.
• 39:28
  Because
• 39:28
  supposedly
• 39:29
  it's
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  saints
• 39:29
  of
• 39:29
  old.
• 39:30
  Right.
• 39:30
  It's
• 39:31
  like,
• 39:31
  hi,
• 39:31
  I'm
• 39:32
  Isaiah.
• 39:33
  Great.
• 39:33
  What?
• 39:34
  No,
• 39:34
  no,
• 39:34
  like
• 39:34
  I'm,
• 39:36
  you
• 39:36
  know,
• 39:36
  like
• 39:36
  what
• 39:36
  century
• 39:37
  is
• 39:37
  this?
• 39:37
  And
• 39:38
  it's
• 39:38
  like,
• 39:38
  you
• 39:39
  know,
• 39:39
  looking
• 39:39
  around,
• 39:40
  it's
• 39:40
  like,
• 39:40
  can
• 39:40
  I
• 39:40
  get
• 39:40
  a
• 39:40
  name
• 39:41
  badge
• 39:41
  or
• 39:41
  something?
• 39:42
  And
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  know,
• 39:42
  I.
• 39:42
  Captain
• 39:43
  America,
• 39:43
  fish
• 39:43
  out
• 39:43
  of
• 39:44
  water.
• 39:44
  He's
• 39:44
  like,
• 39:44
  oh,
• 39:44
  I
• 39:45
  was
• 39:45
  here.
• 39:45
  Like,
• 39:46
  what?
• 39:46
  Look
• 39:46
  at
• 39:46
  all
• 39:47
  this
• 39:47
  progress
• 39:47
  that's
• 39:47
  happened
• 39:48
  in
• 39:48
  300,
• 39:48
  400
• 39:49
  years.
• 39:49
  You
• 39:49
  have
• 39:49
  roads,
• 39:50
  you
• 39:50
  have
• 39:50
  cops.
• 39:50
  It's
• 39:51
  like
• 39:51
  cobble
• 39:51
  roads,
• 39:52
  right?
• 39:52
  Day,
• 39:52
  Day
• 39:53
  413
• 39:54
  since
• 39:54
  my
• 39:54
  unfortunate
• 39:55
  resurrection
• 39:56
  from
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  dead.
• 39:58
  Yeah.
• 39:58
  No
• 39:58
  one,
• 39:58
  no
• 39:59
  one
• 39:59
  knows
• 39:59
  who
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  am.
• 40:00
  Everybody
• 40:00
  else
• 40:01
  that
• 40:01
  I
• 40:01
  knew
• 40:01
  was,
• 40:02
  is
• 40:02
  dead.
• 40:03
  There's
• 40:03
  these
• 40:03
  weird
• 40:04
  roads
• 40:04
  and
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  know,
• 40:06
  my,
• 40:06
  my
• 40:06
  stone
• 40:07
  working
• 40:07
  skills
• 40:07
  are
• 40:08
  badly
• 40:08
  out
• 40:08
  of
• 40:08
  date.
• 40:08
  I
• 40:09
  cannot
• 40:09
  find
• 40:09
  a
• 40:09
  deployment.
• 40:10
  And
• 40:10
  you
• 40:11
  know,
• 40:11
  why
• 40:11
  did
• 40:11
  God
• 40:11
  do
• 40:12
  this
• 40:12
  to
• 40:12
  me?
• 40:16
  Isaiah
• 40:16
  is
• 40:17
  just
• 40:17
  like
• 40:17
  really
• 40:17
  mad
• 40:18
  to
• 40:19
  find
• 40:19
  out
• 40:19
  all
• 40:19
  the
• 40:19
  additions
• 40:20
  that
• 40:20
  happened
• 40:21
  after
• 40:21
  he
• 40:21
  died.
• 40:21
  Like
• 40:22
  Second
• 40:22
  and
• 40:22
  third
• 40:22
  Isaiah.
• 40:23
  Yeah,
• 40:23
  he's
• 40:23
  just
• 40:23
  like
• 40:24
  fourth.
• 40:24
  This
• 40:24
  is
• 40:24
  not
• 40:25
  my
• 40:25
  material.
• 40:25
  This
• 40:26
  is
• 40:26
  not.
• 40:26
  Who's
• 40:27
  been
• 40:27
  editing
• 40:27
  this?
• 40:28
  This
• 40:28
  is
• 40:28
  not
• 40:28
  right.
• 40:29
  This.
• 40:29
  I
• 40:29
  did,
• 40:30
  I
• 40:30
  did
• 40:30
  not
• 40:30
  do
• 40:30
  this.
• 40:31
  They'd
• 40:31
  all
• 40:31
  be
• 40:32
  like,
• 40:32
  you're
• 40:32
  crazy.
• 40:33
  Yeah.
• 40:33
  And
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  story
• 40:34
  end,
• 40:35
  the
• 40:35
  story
• 40:35
  ends.
• 40:35
  He
• 40:36
  crosses
• 40:36
  path
• 40:36
  with
• 40:36
  a
• 40:36
  guy
• 40:37
  named
• 40:37
  Jeremiah.
• 40:37
  And
• 40:38
  Isaiah's
• 40:38
  like,
• 40:38
  who.
• 40:41
  They're,
• 40:42
  they're
• 40:42
  trying
• 40:42
  to
• 40:42
  get
• 40:43
  him
• 40:43
  to
• 40:43
  act
• 40:43
  like
• 40:43
  one
• 40:43
  of
• 40:44
  the.
• 40:45
  They're
• 40:46
  like,
• 40:46
  look,
• 40:46
  we
• 40:46
  got
• 40:46
  Isaiah
• 40:47
  and
• 40:47
  Jeremiah.
• 40:48
  They
• 40:48
  don't
• 40:48
  know
• 40:48
  each
• 40:48
  other.
• 40:48
  And
• 40:48
  he's
• 40:49
  like,
• 40:49
  what's
• 40:49
  his
• 40:49
  big
• 40:49
  deal?
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  have
• 40:54
  way
• 40:54
  too
• 40:54
  much
• 40:54
  fun
• 40:55
  with
• 40:55
  stuff
• 40:55
  like
• 40:55
  this.
• 40:55
  Yeah,
• 40:56
  it's
• 40:56
  so
• 40:56
  good.
• 40:57
  It's
• 40:57
  so
• 40:57
  fun
• 40:57
  to
• 40:58
  think
• 40:58
  about.
• 40:58
  Like,
• 41:00
  so.
• 41:01
  And
• 41:01
  do
• 41:02
  you
• 41:02
  think
• 41:02
  John.
• 41:02
  Okay,
• 41:03
  so
• 41:03
  within
• 41:04
  some
• 41:04
  of
• 41:04
  those
• 41:04
  God,
• 41:05
  like
• 41:05
  there's
• 41:05
  that
• 41:05
  tension
• 41:06
  between
• 41:06
  John's
• 41:07
  disciples
• 41:07
  and
• 41:07
  Jesus
• 41:08
  disciples,
• 41:09
  but
• 41:09
  also
• 41:10
  like
• 41:10
  Jesus
• 41:10
  breaking
• 41:11
  away.
• 41:11
  Like
• 41:11
  some
• 41:12
  of
• 41:12
  the,
• 41:12
  in
• 41:13
  terms
• 41:13
  of
• 41:13
  your
• 41:13
  book
• 41:13
  and
• 41:13
  other
• 41:14
  like
• 41:14
  Newton
• 41:14
  scholarship,
• 41:15
  Jesus
• 41:15
  may
• 41:15
  have
• 41:16
  been
• 41:16
  a
• 41:17
  disciple
• 41:17
  of
• 41:17
  John,
• 41:17
  but
• 41:17
  then
• 41:18
  broke
• 41:18
  away
• 41:18
  and
• 41:18
  had
• 41:18
  a
• 41:18
  different
• 41:19
  understanding
• 41:19
  of
• 41:19
  like
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  kingdom
• 41:20
  of
• 41:20
  God.
• 41:20
  Not
• 41:20
  one
• 41:20
  of
• 41:20
  like
• 41:21
  wrath
• 41:21
  and
• 41:21
  fire,
• 41:21
  but
• 41:22
  one
• 41:22
  of
• 41:22
  like
• 41:23
  the
• 41:23
  last,
• 41:23
  we
• 41:23
  first,
• 41:23
  the
• 41:24
  first
• 41:24
  to
• 41:24
  be
• 41:24
  last
• 41:24
  kind
• 41:25
  of
• 41:25
  thing.
• 41:25
  So
• 41:26
  in
• 41:26
  terms
• 41:26
  of
• 41:27
  a
• 41:27
  shift
• 41:27
  in
• 41:28
  John's
• 41:29
  understanding
• 41:29
  of
• 41:29
  messiahship
• 41:30
  and,
• 41:31
  and
• 41:31
  like
• 41:31
  a
• 41:32
  come
• 41:32
  to
• 41:33
  Jesus
• 41:33
  moment,
• 41:33
  or
• 41:34
  would
• 41:34
  it
• 41:34
  be
• 41:34
  like,
• 41:34
  I'm
• 41:34
  gonna
• 41:35
  double
• 41:35
  down
• 41:36
  on
• 41:36
  what
• 41:36
  I
• 41:37
  understand
• 41:37
  what
• 41:37
  Messiah
• 41:38
  is
• 41:38
  going
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  be
• 41:38
  and
• 41:39
  do
• 41:40
  to,
• 41:40
  you
• 41:41
  know,
• 41:41
  the
• 41:41
  axes
• 41:42
  at
• 41:42
  the
• 41:42
  foot
• 41:42
  of
• 41:42
  the
• 41:42
  tree
• 41:43
  and
• 41:43
  gonna
• 41:43
  chop
• 41:43
  it
• 41:43
  all
• 41:44
  down?
• 41:44
  Yeah,
• 41:45
  I'm,
• 41:46
  I'm
• 41:46
  less
• 41:46
  persuaded
• 41:47
  that
• 41:47
  John,
• 41:47
  that
• 41:48
  Jesus
• 41:48
  like
• 41:48
  broke
• 41:49
  away
• 41:49
  from
• 41:49
  John's
• 41:50
  vision.
• 41:51
  So
• 41:52
  for,
• 41:52
  for
• 41:52
  those
• 41:52
  who
• 41:52
  are
• 41:53
  listening
• 41:53
  and
• 41:53
  may
• 41:53
  not
• 41:53
  have
• 41:53
  heard
• 41:54
  of
• 41:54
  them,
• 41:54
  there
• 41:54
  is
• 41:54
  a
• 41:54
  group
• 41:54
  called
• 41:55
  the
• 41:55
  Mandayans.
• 41:56
  You've
• 41:56
  probably
• 41:56
  heard
• 41:57
  of
• 41:57
  Gnostics.
• 41:57
  Gnosticism.
• 41:58
  This
• 41:58
  is
• 41:59
  the
• 41:59
  last
• 42:00
  ancient
• 42:00
  Gnostic
• 42:00
  group
• 42:01
  that
• 42:01
  survived
• 42:01
  continuously
• 42:02
  down
• 42:02
  to
• 42:02
  the
• 42:02
  present
• 42:02
  day.
• 42:03
  So
• 42:03
  I
• 42:03
  mean,
• 42:04
  they're
• 42:04
  absolutely
• 42:04
  fascinating.
• 42:05
  They
• 42:06
  hold
• 42:06
  John
• 42:06
  the
• 42:06
  Baptist
• 42:07
  in
• 42:07
  high
• 42:07
  esteem.
• 42:08
  They're
• 42:08
  not
• 42:08
  big
• 42:09
  fans
• 42:09
  of
• 42:09
  Jesus.
• 42:10
  And
• 42:10
  so
• 42:10
  it's
• 42:11
  this
• 42:11
  unusual,
• 42:12
  I
• 42:12
  mean,
• 42:12
  really
• 42:12
  quite
• 42:13
  unique
• 42:13
  configuration
• 42:14
  of
• 42:14
  religion.
• 42:16
  And
• 42:16
  Smith
• 42:16
  suggested
• 42:17
  that
• 42:17
  they
• 42:17
  might
• 42:17
  stem
• 42:18
  from
• 42:18
  followers
• 42:19
  of
• 42:19
  John
• 42:19
  who
• 42:19
  didn't
• 42:19
  become
• 42:21
  part
• 42:21
  of
• 42:21
  Christianity.
• 42:22
  Right.
• 42:24
  And
• 42:24
  their
• 42:25
  view
• 42:25
  is
• 42:25
  that
• 42:25
  Jesus
• 42:26
  took
• 42:26
  John's
• 42:27
  teaching
• 42:27
  and
• 42:27
  distorted
• 42:28
  it
• 42:28
  and
• 42:28
  went
• 42:28
  off
• 42:28
  the
• 42:28
  rails.
• 42:30
  And
• 42:30
  I'm
• 42:31
  not,
• 42:31
  I'm
• 42:31
  not
• 42:31
  persuaded
• 42:32
  by
• 42:32
  that.
• 42:33
  I
• 42:34
  think
• 42:34
  that
• 42:34
  John
• 42:34
  and
• 42:34
  Jesus
• 42:35
  actually
• 42:35
  work
• 42:35
  a
• 42:36
  lot
• 42:36
  more
• 42:36
  similar
• 42:36
  than
• 42:36
  either
• 42:37
  Christians
• 42:37
  or
• 42:37
  Mandians
• 42:39
  suggest.
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  mean,
• 42:40
  look
• 42:40
  at
• 42:40
  the
• 42:40
  audience,
• 42:41
  right?
• 42:42
  We're
• 42:42
  told
• 42:42
  that,
• 42:43
  you
• 42:43
  know,
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  mean,
• 42:43
  Jesus
• 42:44
  says
• 42:44
  that,
• 42:44
  you
• 42:45
  know,
• 42:45
  the
• 42:45
  tax
• 42:46
  collectors
• 42:46
  and
• 42:46
  the
• 42:46
  prostitutes
• 42:47
  listened
• 42:48
  and
• 42:48
  responded
• 42:48
  to
• 42:49
  John.
• 42:49
  Right.
• 42:50
  This
• 42:50
  is
• 42:50
  Not
• 42:50
  a
• 42:50
  fire
• 42:51
  and
• 42:51
  brimstone,
• 42:51
  doom
• 42:52
  and
• 42:52
  gloom
• 42:52
  preacher.
• 42:53
  Right.
• 42:53
  That's
• 42:53
  not
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  odd,
• 42:54
  you
• 42:54
  know,
• 42:55
  that
• 42:55
  kind
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  figure
• 42:56
  is
• 42:56
  not
• 42:56
  going
• 42:56
  to
• 42:56
  resonate
• 42:56
  with
• 42:56
  this
• 42:57
  audience.
• 42:57
  Right.
• 42:57
  This
• 42:57
  is
• 42:58
  somebody
• 42:58
  who
• 42:58
  is,
• 42:58
  who's
• 42:59
  charming,
• 42:59
  who
• 42:59
  is
• 42:59
  engaging,
• 43:01
  who's
• 43:01
  warning
• 43:01
  about
• 43:02
  wrath.
• 43:02
  But
• 43:02
  a
• 43:02
  lot
• 43:02
  of
• 43:02
  that
• 43:03
  wrath
• 43:03
  is
• 43:03
  directed
• 43:03
  at
• 43:04
  the
• 43:04
  leaders
• 43:04
  and
• 43:04
  the,
• 43:05
  the,
• 43:05
  the,
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  rich
• 43:06
  and
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  wealthy
• 43:07
  and
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  echelon.
• 43:09
  Right?
• 43:09
  Yeah,
• 43:09
  the
• 43:10
  brood
• 43:10
  of
• 43:10
  vipers.
• 43:11
  And
• 43:11
  Matthew.
• 43:12
  Matthew
• 43:13
  attributes
• 43:13
  phrases
• 43:13
  like
• 43:14
  brood
• 43:14
  of
• 43:14
  vipers
• 43:14
  to
• 43:14
  Jesus
• 43:15
  as
• 43:15
  well.
• 43:15
  Right.
• 43:17
  And
• 43:17
  so
• 43:17
  I
• 43:18
  think
• 43:18
  there's
• 43:18
  a
• 43:18
  lot
• 43:18
  more
• 43:18
  continuity.
• 43:19
  And
• 43:20
  so,
• 43:20
  so
• 43:21
  the
• 43:21
  question
• 43:21
  is
• 43:22
  whether
• 43:23
  John's
• 43:24
  imprisonment,
• 43:24
  right.
• 43:25
  Thinking
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  he's
• 43:26
  going
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  usher
• 43:26
  in
• 43:26
  the
• 43:27
  end
• 43:27
  and
• 43:27
  this
• 43:27
  stuff
• 43:27
  is
• 43:28
  going
• 43:28
  to
• 43:28
  happen.
• 43:28
  Whether
• 43:28
  John's
• 43:29
  imprisonment
• 43:29
  caught
• 43:30
  both
• 43:30
  John
• 43:30
  and
• 43:31
  Jesus
• 43:31
  off
• 43:31
  guard
• 43:32
  and
• 43:32
  maybe
• 43:33
  led
• 43:33
  to
• 43:33
  both
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  them
• 43:34
  thinking,
• 43:35
  okay,
• 43:36
  what's
• 43:36
  it
• 43:36
  going
• 43:36
  to
• 43:36
  take
• 43:36
  for
• 43:37
  God
• 43:37
  to
• 43:37
  intervene?
• 43:38
  Right.
• 43:38
  We
• 43:39
  know
• 43:39
  the
• 43:39
  stories
• 43:39
  of
• 43:39
  the
• 43:39
  Maccabees,
• 43:40
  and
• 43:40
  we
• 43:40
  know
• 43:40
  all
• 43:40
  these
• 43:40
  things,
• 43:41
  you
• 43:41
  know,
• 43:41
  that
• 43:41
  sometimes
• 43:42
  God
• 43:42
  responds
• 43:42
  to
• 43:42
  his
• 43:43
  righteous
• 43:43
  suffering.
• 43:44
  If
• 43:44
  we're
• 43:44
  willing
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  go
• 43:45
  this
• 43:45
  route,
• 43:46
  you
• 43:46
  know,
• 43:46
  and
• 43:47
  see
• 43:47
  this
• 43:47
  through
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  death,
• 43:48
  then
• 43:48
  God
• 43:49
  will,
• 43:49
  you
• 43:49
  know,
• 43:50
  have
• 43:50
  to
• 43:50
  intervene
• 43:51
  and
• 43:51
  then
• 43:51
  the
• 43:51
  kingdom
• 43:52
  will
• 43:52
  come.
• 43:52
  Right.
• 43:53
  And
• 43:53
  so
• 43:53
  maybe
• 43:54
  they
• 43:54
  are,
• 43:54
  you
• 43:54
  know,
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  mean,
• 43:55
  it's
• 43:55
  even
• 43:55
  a
• 43:55
  possibility
• 43:56
  that
• 43:56
  John
• 43:56
  and
• 43:56
  Jesus,
• 43:57
  especially
• 43:57
  if
• 43:57
  John
• 43:58
  lived
• 43:58
  long
• 43:58
  enough
• 43:58
  to
• 43:59
  have
• 44:00
  some
• 44:00
  conversations
• 44:00
  with
• 44:00
  Jesus
• 44:01
  about
• 44:01
  this,
• 44:01
  and
• 44:01
  we
• 44:01
  imagine
• 44:02
  that
• 44:03
  to
• 44:03
  say,
• 44:04
  if
• 44:05
  we're
• 44:05
  willing
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  die
• 44:06
  for
• 44:06
  this,
• 44:07
  then
• 44:07
  God
• 44:07
  will
• 44:07
  bring
• 44:08
  in
• 44:08
  the
• 44:08
  kingdom.
• 44:08
  Right.
• 44:09
  And
• 44:10
  then
• 44:10
  the
• 44:10
  resurrection
• 44:11
  will
• 44:11
  happen.
• 44:11
  Right.
• 44:12
  And
• 44:12
  I
• 44:12
  wonder
• 44:13
  whether,
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:13
  Jesus
• 44:14
  might
• 44:14
  have
• 44:14
  talked
• 44:15
  about
• 44:15
  the
• 44:16
  resurrection
• 44:16
  happening.
• 44:17
  Right?
• 44:17
  I
• 44:17
  mean,
• 44:17
  oftentimes
• 44:18
  when
• 44:18
  you've
• 44:18
  been
• 44:20
  brought
• 44:20
  up
• 44:20
  steeped
• 44:20
  in
• 44:21
  fundamentalism
• 44:22
  and
• 44:22
  so
• 44:22
  you
• 44:22
  just
• 44:23
  assumed
• 44:23
  everything
• 44:23
  was
• 44:23
  historical.
• 44:25
  I
• 44:25
  don't
• 44:25
  know
• 44:25
  about
• 44:26
  anyone
• 44:26
  else,
• 44:26
  but
• 44:27
  for
• 44:27
  a
• 44:27
  while
• 44:27
  your
• 44:28
  instinct
• 44:28
  is
• 44:28
  to.
• 44:28
  It's
• 44:29
  like,
• 44:29
  I'm
• 44:29
  not
• 44:29
  going
• 44:29
  to
• 44:29
  believe
• 44:29
  anything
• 44:30
  unless
• 44:30
  I've
• 44:30
  got
• 44:30
  really,
• 44:31
  really,
• 44:31
  really
• 44:31
  strong
• 44:31
  evidence.
• 44:32
  You
• 44:32
  know,
• 44:32
  it's
• 44:32
  like
• 44:32
  you're
• 44:33
  going
• 44:33
  to
• 44:33
  doubt
• 44:33
  everything.
• 44:34
  And
• 44:35
  oftentimes
• 44:35
  we
• 44:35
  end
• 44:36
  up
• 44:36
  being
• 44:36
  much
• 44:37
  more
• 44:37
  skeptical
• 44:38
  of
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  early
• 44:39
  Christian
• 44:39
  sources
• 44:39
  than
• 44:40
  anyone
• 44:40
  who
• 44:40
  studies,
• 44:41
  you
• 44:41
  know,
• 44:41
  whether
• 44:41
  it's
• 44:41
  Plato
• 44:42
  or
• 44:42
  Aristotle
• 44:42
  or
• 44:42
  does
• 44:43
  any,
• 44:43
  you
• 44:43
  know,
• 44:43
  or
• 44:44
  reads
• 44:44
  Josephus
• 44:44
  or
• 44:45
  that.
• 44:45
  Sure,
• 44:45
  there
• 44:46
  are
• 44:46
  issues
• 44:46
  and
• 44:46
  there
• 44:47
  are
• 44:47
  inconsistencies
• 44:47
  and
• 44:48
  there
• 44:48
  are
• 44:48
  things,
• 44:48
  you
• 44:48
  know,
• 44:49
  puzzling
• 44:49
  questions
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  things
• 44:50
  that
• 44:50
  might
• 44:51
  have
• 44:51
  gotten,
• 44:51
  gotten
• 44:51
  wrong,
• 44:52
  but
• 44:52
  oftentimes
• 44:53
  it
• 44:53
  goes
• 44:53
  way
• 44:54
  beyond
• 44:54
  that
• 44:55
  to
• 44:55
  a
• 44:55
  level
• 44:55
  of
• 44:55
  skepticism.
• 44:56
  Right.
• 44:57
  And
• 44:57
  so
• 44:58
  historically,
• 44:59
  there's
• 45:00
  got
• 45:00
  to
• 45:00
  be
• 45:00
  a
• 45:00
  reason
• 45:00
  why
• 45:01
  the
• 45:02
  Jesus
• 45:02
  movement
• 45:02
  doesn't
• 45:03
  just
• 45:03
  vanish
• 45:04
  when
• 45:04
  Jesus
• 45:04
  is
• 45:05
  crucified.
• 45:05
  His
• 45:06
  teaching
• 45:06
  and
• 45:06
  his
• 45:07
  life
• 45:07
  and
• 45:07
  his
• 45:07
  example
• 45:09
  have
• 45:09
  to
• 45:09
  have
• 45:09
  been
• 45:09
  such
• 45:10
  that,
• 45:10
  you
• 45:10
  know,
• 45:11
  however
• 45:11
  much
• 45:11
  you
• 45:11
  think
• 45:12
  that
• 45:13
  becomes
• 45:13
  part
• 45:13
  of
• 45:13
  Christian
• 45:14
  theology
• 45:14
  of
• 45:14
  interpretation
• 45:15
  of
• 45:15
  his
• 45:15
  death
• 45:15
  is
• 45:16
  said
• 45:16
  from
• 45:16
  hindsight.
• 45:17
  No
• 45:17
  one's
• 45:18
  going
• 45:18
  to
• 45:18
  be
• 45:18
  doing
• 45:18
  that
• 45:18
  if
• 45:19
  Jesus
• 45:19
  is
• 45:19
  leading
• 45:19
  an
• 45:20
  armed
• 45:20
  revolution
• 45:20
  and
• 45:21
  the
• 45:21
  Romans
• 45:21
  put
• 45:21
  it
• 45:22
  down.
• 45:23
  And
• 45:24
  so
• 45:24
  figuring
• 45:24
  out
• 45:24
  how
• 45:25
  to
• 45:25
  do
• 45:25
  justice
• 45:25
  to
• 45:25
  that,
• 45:26
  while
• 45:27
  not
• 45:27
  also
• 45:27
  going
• 45:28
  back
• 45:28
  to,
• 45:28
  like,
• 45:29
  it's
• 45:29
  all
• 45:29
  historical.
• 45:30
  Yay.
• 45:30
  The
• 45:31
  fundamentals
• 45:31
  are
• 45:31
  right
• 45:32
  to
• 45:33
  do
• 45:33
  it
• 45:33
  in
• 45:33
  a
• 45:33
  historical
• 45:34
  critical
• 45:34
  way,
• 45:34
  but
• 45:35
  one
• 45:35
  that's
• 45:35
  not
• 45:35
  overly
• 45:36
  skeptical
• 45:37
  because
• 45:37
  I'm
• 45:38
  reacting
• 45:38
  against
• 45:40
  the
• 45:40
  prior
• 45:40
  influence
• 45:42
  of
• 45:43
  fundamentalist
• 45:43
  naivete
• 45:44
  and
• 45:44
  stuff
• 45:44
  like
• 45:44
  that.
• 45:46
  It's
• 45:46
  challenging,
• 45:47
  but
• 45:47
  I've
• 45:47
  been
• 45:47
  thinking
• 45:48
  a
• 45:48
  lot
• 45:48
  about
• 45:48
  that
• 45:48
  lately.
• 45:50
  That's
• 45:50
  good.
• 45:51
  Can
• 45:51
  I
• 45:51
  give
• 45:52
  James
• 45:52
  a
• 45:52
  prompt?
• 45:52
  And
• 45:52
  then
• 45:53
  he'd
• 45:53
  tell
• 45:53
  us
• 45:53
  what
• 45:53
  he'd
• 45:54
  do?
• 45:54
  Yeah,
• 45:54
  I
• 45:55
  just
• 45:55
  had
• 45:55
  one.
• 45:55
  I
• 45:56
  just
• 45:56
  had
• 45:56
  an
• 45:56
  idea.
• 45:56
  Okay.
• 45:57
  So
• 45:58
  John
• 45:58
  the
• 45:58
  Baptist,
• 45:59
  not
• 45:59
  taken
• 45:59
  out,
• 46:01
  Jesus
• 46:02
  resurrected,
• 46:04
  Mary
• 46:05
  is
• 46:05
  off
• 46:05
  to
• 46:06
  go
• 46:06
  tell
• 46:06
  the
• 46:06
  disciples.
• 46:07
  John
• 46:07
  the
• 46:08
  Baptist
• 46:08
  walks
• 46:09
  up.
• 46:10
  James,
• 46:10
  what
• 46:11
  kind
• 46:11
  of
• 46:11
  conversation.
• 46:12
  What
• 46:12
  if,
• 46:12
  James,
• 46:13
  you
• 46:14
  tell
• 46:14
  us,
• 46:14
  what
• 46:14
  would
• 46:14
  the
• 46:15
  conversation
• 46:15
  be
• 46:15
  of
• 46:16
  Jesus
• 46:16
  and
• 46:17
  John
• 46:17
  there?
• 46:18
  And
• 46:19
  the
• 46:20
  great
• 46:20
  for
• 46:20
  TV
• 46:21
  thing
• 46:21
  is
• 46:21
  Jesus
• 46:22
  actually
• 46:22
  has
• 46:22
  no
• 46:23
  idea
• 46:23
  how
• 46:23
  to
• 46:24
  explain
• 46:24
  what
• 46:24
  just
• 46:25
  happened.
• 46:25
  And
• 46:26
  it's
• 46:26
  actually
• 46:26
  his
• 46:26
  conversation
• 46:27
  with
• 46:27
  John
• 46:28
  where
• 46:28
  he
• 46:28
  comes
• 46:28
  to
• 46:28
  understand
• 46:31
  that
• 46:31
  this
• 46:31
  was
• 46:32
  the
• 46:32
  resurrection
• 46:32
  of
• 46:32
  the
• 46:33
  dead,
• 46:34
  first
• 46:34
  fruits
• 46:34
  or
• 46:34
  whatever
• 46:35
  way
• 46:35
  he
• 46:35
  would
• 46:35
  do
• 46:35
  it.
• 46:35
  But,
• 46:36
  like,
• 46:36
  what
• 46:36
  if
• 46:36
  he
• 46:37
  had
• 46:37
  to
• 46:37
  work
• 46:37
  out
• 46:37
  his
• 46:38
  interpretation
• 46:39
  of
• 46:39
  his
• 46:39
  own.
• 46:40
  The
• 46:40
  historical
• 46:40
  Jesus
• 46:41
  is
• 46:41
  working
• 46:42
  out
• 46:42
  an
• 46:42
  interpretation
• 46:43
  of
• 46:43
  the
• 46:43
  resurrection
• 46:44
  in
• 46:44
  conversation
• 46:44
  with
• 46:45
  John
• 46:46
  while.
• 46:46
  And
• 46:46
  he
• 46:47
  was
• 46:47
  just
• 46:47
  trying
• 46:47
  to
• 46:47
  buy
• 46:47
  himself
• 46:48
  time.
• 46:48
  He's
• 46:48
  like,
• 46:49
  mary,
• 46:49
  oh,
• 46:49
  you
• 46:49
  got
• 46:49
  to
• 46:49
  go
• 46:50
  tell
• 46:50
  the
• 46:50
  disciples.
• 46:51
  In
• 46:51
  fact,
• 46:52
  I'll
• 46:52
  meet
• 46:52
  you
• 46:52
  in
• 46:52
  Galilee.
• 46:53
  That'd
• 46:53
  give
• 46:53
  me
• 46:54
  a
• 46:54
  few
• 46:54
  days
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  walk
• 46:54
  around
• 46:55
  and
• 46:55
  figure,
• 46:55
  you
• 46:56
  know,
• 46:56
  he's
• 46:56
  trying.
• 46:56
  He's
• 46:56
  like,
• 46:56
  I
• 46:57
  gotta
• 46:57
  have
• 46:57
  new
• 46:57
  material.
• 46:58
  Okay.
• 46:58
  And
• 46:58
  then.
• 46:59
  And
• 46:59
  then
• 46:59
  John
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  Baptist
• 47:00
  walks
• 47:00
  up.
• 47:01
  Yeah,
• 47:01
  I
• 47:01
  don't
• 47:01
  know
• 47:01
  if
• 47:01
  I
• 47:01
  can
• 47:02
  come
• 47:02
  up
• 47:02
  with
• 47:02
  something
• 47:02
  really
• 47:03
  good
• 47:03
  on
• 47:03
  the
• 47:03
  spot,
• 47:03
  but
• 47:04
  this
• 47:04
  is
• 47:04
  another
• 47:04
  one
• 47:04
  I'm
• 47:04
  interested
• 47:05
  in.
• 47:06
  So
• 47:07
  one
• 47:07
  of
• 47:07
  the
• 47:07
  things
• 47:07
  I've
• 47:07
  been
• 47:07
  thinking
• 47:08
  about
• 47:08
  is
• 47:09
  there's
• 47:10
  this
• 47:10
  possibility
• 47:10
  that
• 47:11
  the
• 47:11
  book
• 47:11
  of
• 47:11
  Revelation
• 47:11
  has
• 47:12
  some
• 47:12
  connections
• 47:12
  with
• 47:13
  John
• 47:14
  the
• 47:14
  Baptist
• 47:14
  and
• 47:14
  his
• 47:14
  movement.
• 47:16
  The
• 47:16
  ways
• 47:16
  that
• 47:17
  that's
• 47:17
  been
• 47:17
  explored,
• 47:17
  though,
• 47:18
  have
• 47:18
  tended
• 47:18
  to
• 47:18
  be
• 47:19
  very
• 47:19
  quirky
• 47:20
  theories.
• 47:21
  Like
• 47:22
  J.
• 47:22
  Messenburg
• 47:23
  Ford
• 47:24
  wrote
• 47:24
  a
• 47:25
  commentary
• 47:25
  in
• 47:25
  which
• 47:25
  she
• 47:25
  suggested
• 47:26
  that.
• 47:26
  That,
• 47:27
  like
• 47:27
  the
• 47:27
  John
• 47:28
  that
• 47:28
  wrote
• 47:28
  the
• 47:29
  original
• 47:29
  version
• 47:29
  of
• 47:29
  John
• 47:30
  of
• 47:30
  Revelation
• 47:30
  was
• 47:31
  John
• 47:31
  the
• 47:31
  Baptist.
• 47:32
  And
• 47:32
  it's
• 47:32
  like,
• 47:33
  yeah,
• 47:34
  anyway,
• 47:35
  but
• 47:35
  think
• 47:36
  about
• 47:36
  this,
• 47:36
  right?
• 47:36
  So
• 47:37
  there's
• 47:37
  this
• 47:37
  scene
• 47:37
  where,
• 47:39
  like,
• 47:39
  there
• 47:39
  are
• 47:39
  these
• 47:39
  two
• 47:39
  witnesses,
• 47:40
  right?
• 47:41
  The
• 47:41
  famous
• 47:41
  bit
• 47:42
  about
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  two
• 47:42
  witnesses
• 47:43
  in
• 47:43
  the.
• 47:43
  The
• 47:43
  city
• 47:45
  and
• 47:45
  they're
• 47:45
  both
• 47:45
  put
• 47:45
  to
• 47:46
  death.
• 47:46
  And
• 47:47
  then
• 47:47
  they're
• 47:47
  raised,
• 47:47
  like,
• 47:48
  after
• 47:48
  three
• 47:48
  days,
• 47:48
  they're
• 47:49
  raised
• 47:49
  Up.
• 47:50
  And
• 47:50
  they're
• 47:51
  identified
• 47:51
  with
• 47:51
  the
• 47:52
  two
• 47:52
  lampstands,
• 47:53
  right,
• 47:53
  which
• 47:53
  is
• 47:54
  this
• 47:54
  imagery
• 47:54
  from
• 47:55
  Zechariah
• 47:55
  of
• 47:56
  the
• 47:56
  tomb,
• 47:56
  which
• 47:56
  is
• 47:56
  the
• 47:57
  two
• 47:57
  messiahs
• 47:57
  there,
• 47:57
  Right.
• 47:58
  It's
• 47:58
  the
• 47:58
  two
• 47:58
  anointed
• 47:59
  ones.
• 47:59
  It's
• 47:59
  the
• 47:59
  high
• 48:00
  priest
• 48:00
  and
• 48:00
  the
• 48:00
  king,
• 48:01
  Right.
• 48:01
  And
• 48:01
  so
• 48:02
  I
• 48:02
  think
• 48:02
  this
• 48:03
  source,
• 48:03
  right,
• 48:04
  whether
• 48:04
  it's
• 48:04
  the
• 48:05
  final
• 48:05
  version
• 48:05
  of
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  book
• 48:05
  of
• 48:06
  Revelation
• 48:06
  or
• 48:06
  an
• 48:06
  underlying
• 48:07
  source
• 48:07
  material
• 48:08
  that's
• 48:08
  woven
• 48:08
  into
• 48:08
  it,
• 48:09
  might
• 48:09
  think
• 48:10
  about
• 48:10
  John
• 48:10
  and
• 48:10
  Jesus
• 48:11
  as
• 48:11
  the
• 48:11
  priestly
• 48:12
  and
• 48:12
  royal
• 48:12
  messiahs
• 48:16
  and
• 48:16
  that
• 48:16
  God
• 48:17
  vindicates
• 48:17
  both
• 48:17
  of
• 48:18
  them,
• 48:18
  right,
• 48:18
  by
• 48:18
  raising
• 48:19
  them
• 48:19
  from
• 48:19
  the
• 48:19
  dead.
• 48:20
  Right?
• 48:20
  So
• 48:21
  then
• 48:21
  that's
• 48:22
  why.
• 48:22
  That's
• 48:22
  what
• 48:22
  happened.
• 48:23
  John
• 48:23
  is
• 48:23
  sitting
• 48:23
  there,
• 48:24
  he
• 48:24
  sees
• 48:25
  Jesus
• 48:25
  raised,
• 48:25
  he
• 48:25
  realizes
• 48:26
  they're
• 48:26
  the
• 48:27
  two.
• 48:27
  And.
• 48:28
  And
• 48:28
  so
• 48:28
  John
• 48:29
  figures
• 48:29
  it
• 48:29
  out
• 48:30
  before
• 48:30
  Jesus
• 48:30
  has
• 48:31
  to
• 48:31
  explain
• 48:31
  it
• 48:31
  to
• 48:32
  resurrected
• 48:32
  Jesus,
• 48:32
  who's
• 48:33
  probably
• 48:33
  sitting
• 48:33
  there
• 48:33
  going,
• 48:34
  like,
• 48:34
  I'm
• 48:34
  the
• 48:34
  one
• 48:34
  that
• 48:34
  had
• 48:35
  to
• 48:35
  get
• 48:35
  crucified.
• 48:37
  Yeah.
• 48:37
  And
• 48:37
  of
• 48:38
  course,
• 48:38
  yours
• 48:38
  is
• 48:38
  pretty
• 48:39
  quick.
• 48:39
  Beheaded
• 48:40
  was
• 48:40
  pretty
• 48:40
  quick.
• 48:40
  You
• 48:40
  got
• 48:40
  arrested
• 48:41
  first.
• 48:42
  No,
• 48:42
  I
• 48:42
  mean,
• 48:43
  actually,
• 48:43
  I
• 48:43
  think
• 48:43
  that's.
• 48:44
  Although
• 48:44
  it's.
• 48:44
  I
• 48:45
  apologize
• 48:46
  for,
• 48:46
  like,
• 48:46
  taking
• 48:46
  Will's,
• 48:48
  you
• 48:48
  know,
• 48:48
  scenario
• 48:48
  and
• 48:49
  twisting
• 48:49
  into
• 48:49
  something
• 48:50
  he
• 48:50
  didn't
• 48:50
  propose,
• 48:50
  but.
• 48:51
  No,
• 48:51
  I
• 48:51
  love
• 48:51
  it.
• 48:52
  I
• 48:52
  love
• 48:52
  it.
• 48:52
  I
• 48:52
  love
• 48:52
  it.
• 48:52
  How
• 48:53
  about
• 48:53
  John
• 48:53
  and
• 48:53
  Jesus,
• 48:54
  Right?
• 48:54
  So
• 48:54
  it's.
• 48:54
  It's
• 48:54
  a
• 48:55
  scenario.
• 48:55
  It's
• 48:55
  the
• 48:55
  theology
• 48:56
  of
• 48:56
  the
• 48:56
  Book
• 48:56
  of
• 48:56
  Revelation
• 48:57
  where
• 48:57
  these
• 48:57
  two
• 48:58
  are
• 48:58
  both,
• 48:58
  you
• 48:59
  know,
• 48:59
  they're
• 48:59
  both
• 48:59
  sent
• 48:59
  by
• 48:59
  God,
• 49:00
  and
• 49:00
  God
• 49:00
  raises
• 49:00
  them
• 49:00
  both
• 49:01
  to
• 49:01
  vindicate
• 49:01
  them
• 49:01
  both.
• 49:02
  And
• 49:03
  they're
• 49:03
  sitting
• 49:04
  there,
• 49:04
  both
• 49:04
  surprised.
• 49:05
  Yeah.
• 49:05
  And
• 49:06
  debating.
• 49:07
  It's
• 49:07
  like,
• 49:07
  yo,
• 49:07
  you
• 49:08
  have
• 49:08
  no
• 49:08
  idea
• 49:08
  how
• 49:08
  much
• 49:09
  crucifixion
• 49:09
  hurts.
• 49:10
  Listen,
• 49:10
  I
• 49:10
  was
• 49:11
  beheaded.
• 49:11
  You
• 49:11
  know,
• 49:11
  it's
• 49:12
  like,
• 49:12
  you
• 49:12
  know,
• 49:12
  imagine
• 49:12
  that,
• 49:13
  you
• 49:13
  know.
• 49:13
  And
• 49:14
  John's
• 49:14
  like,
• 49:14
  it's
• 49:14
  not
• 49:14
  a
• 49:14
  competition.
• 49:15
  He's
• 49:15
  like,
• 49:16
  no,
• 49:16
  no,
• 49:16
  it
• 49:16
  is.
• 49:16
  It
• 49:17
  is
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  competition
• 49:17
  of
• 49:17
  a
• 49:18
  competition.
• 49:18
  Right.
• 49:19
  Well.
• 49:19
  Oh,
• 49:20
  that's
• 49:20
  the
• 49:20
  great.
• 49:20
  That's
• 49:21
  the
• 49:21
  final
• 49:21
  cut
• 49:21
  scene,
• 49:22
  Right?
• 49:22
  So
• 49:22
  they're.
• 49:22
  They're
• 49:23
  standing
• 49:23
  there
• 49:23
  debating
• 49:23
  about
• 49:23
  which
• 49:24
  is,
• 49:24
  you
• 49:24
  know,
• 49:24
  which
• 49:25
  is
• 49:25
  worse.
• 49:25
  Meanwhile,
• 49:26
  you
• 49:26
  know,
• 49:28
  the
• 49:28
  beloved
• 49:28
  disciple
• 49:29
  is
• 49:30
  already
• 49:30
  trying
• 49:30
  to
• 49:31
  arrange
• 49:31
  that.
• 49:32
  You
• 49:32
  know,
• 49:32
  it's
• 49:32
  like,
• 49:32
  okay,
• 49:33
  I
• 49:33
  want
• 49:33
  to
• 49:33
  make
• 49:33
  sure.
• 49:33
  When.
• 49:34
  When
• 49:34
  this
• 49:34
  story
• 49:34
  is
• 49:34
  written,
• 49:35
  Peter
• 49:35
  and
• 49:35
  I
• 49:35
  ran
• 49:36
  to
• 49:36
  the
• 49:36
  tomb
• 49:36
  and
• 49:36
  I
• 49:36
  won.
• 49:37
  Yeah,
• 49:37
  I
• 49:37
  won
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  foot
• 49:38
  race.
• 49:38
  I
• 49:38
  won
• 49:38
  the
• 49:39
  foot
• 49:39
  race.
• 49:39
  John.
• 49:39
  Jesus
• 49:40
  is
• 49:40
  like,
• 49:40
  who's.
• 49:40
  It's
• 49:40
  like,
• 49:41
  it's
• 49:41
  not
• 49:41
  a
• 49:41
  competition.
• 49:41
  It
• 49:42
  doesn't
• 49:42
  matter.
• 49:42
  We
• 49:42
  both
• 49:42
  suffered
• 49:43
  terribly.
• 49:43
  Meanwhile,
• 49:44
  John
• 49:44
  is
• 49:44
  like,
• 49:46
  tell
• 49:46
  the
• 49:46
  story
• 49:46
  however
• 49:46
  you
• 49:47
  like.
• 49:47
  Leave
• 49:47
  my
• 49:47
  name
• 49:47
  out
• 49:47
  of
• 49:48
  it.
• 49:48
  But
• 49:48
  I
• 49:48
  beat
• 49:49
  Peter
• 49:49
  in
• 49:49
  that
• 49:49
  race.
• 49:50
  I
• 49:50
  was
• 49:50
  faster.
• 49:51
  It's
• 49:51
  like
• 49:52
  the
• 49:53
  things
• 49:53
  that
• 49:53
  matter
• 49:53
  to
• 49:54
  some
• 49:54
  of
• 49:54
  us.
• 49:54
  Right?
• 51:36
  That's
• 51:36
  so
• 51:36
  good.
• 51:37
  That's
• 51:37
  so
• 51:38
  good.
• 51:39
  Well,
• 51:40
  you
• 51:40
  know,
• 51:40
  and
• 51:41
  we
• 51:41
  could,
• 51:41
  I
• 51:42
  could
• 51:42
  go
• 51:42
  down
• 51:42
  different
• 51:42
  roads
• 51:43
  and
• 51:43
  what
• 51:43
  if
• 51:43
  there
• 51:43
  might
• 51:43
  be
• 51:44
  people
• 51:44
  like,
• 51:44
  you
• 51:45
  know,
• 51:45
  why
• 51:45
  are
• 51:45
  you
• 51:45
  doing
• 51:45
  this?
• 51:45
  Scripture.
• 51:46
  Scripture,
• 51:46
  it
• 51:46
  says
• 51:46
  the
• 51:47
  story,
• 51:47
  the
• 51:47
  story,
• 51:47
  God
• 51:48
  preordained
• 51:49
  this
• 51:49
  would
• 51:50
  happen
• 51:50
  in
• 51:50
  this
• 51:50
  way.
• 51:50
  But
• 51:51
  I
• 51:51
  think
• 51:51
  what
• 51:52
  we
• 51:52
  do
• 51:52
  with
• 51:52
  what
• 51:52
  ifs,
• 51:53
  whether
• 51:53
  it's
• 51:53
  in
• 51:53
  Marvel
• 51:53
  comics
• 51:54
  or
• 51:54
  the
• 51:54
  cartoon
• 51:55
  or
• 51:56
  sci
• 51:56
  fi,
• 51:57
  like
• 51:57
  we're,
• 51:58
  we're
• 51:58
  getting
• 51:58
  to
• 51:58
  deeper.
• 51:59
  We're
• 51:59
  trying
• 52:00
  to
• 52:00
  look
• 52:00
  at
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  different
• 52:01
  angle
• 52:01
  of
• 52:01
  a
• 52:01
  certain
• 52:02
  character
• 52:02
  and,
• 52:03
  and
• 52:04
  get
• 52:04
  to
• 52:05
  a
• 52:05
  different
• 52:05
  depth
• 52:05
  of
• 52:05
  who
• 52:06
  they
• 52:06
  are
• 52:06
  and
• 52:06
  what
• 52:06
  they're
• 52:06
  about.
• 52:06
  So
• 52:07
  these
• 52:07
  what
• 52:07
  ifs
• 52:07
  help
• 52:08
  us
• 52:08
  think
• 52:08
  through
• 52:09
  what
• 52:10
  was
• 52:10
  John's
• 52:11
  nature
• 52:11
  and,
• 52:12
  and
• 52:12
  what
• 52:12
  he
• 52:12
  was
• 52:13
  preaching
• 52:13
  and
• 52:13
  then
• 52:14
  in
• 52:14
  Jesus.
• 52:14
  And
• 52:15
  then
• 52:15
  we
• 52:15
  have
• 52:16
  the,
• 52:16
  the
• 52:16
  four
• 52:16
  gospel
• 52:17
  accounts,
• 52:17
  but
• 52:17
  you
• 52:17
  also
• 52:17
  have
• 52:18
  the
• 52:18
  early
• 52:18
  church
• 52:18
  and
• 52:18
  the
• 52:18
  early
• 52:19
  church
• 52:19
  account
• 52:19
  and
• 52:20
  not
• 52:20
  just
• 52:20
  Acts,
• 52:20
  but
• 52:21
  just
• 52:21
  in
• 52:21
  terms
• 52:21
  of
• 52:22
  Christendom
• 52:22
  itself.
• 52:22
  And
• 52:23
  like
• 52:23
  you
• 52:23
  said,
• 52:23
  this,
• 52:23
  this
• 52:24
  group,
• 52:24
  it
• 52:24
  still
• 52:24
  exists
• 52:24
  out
• 52:25
  there
• 52:25
  of
• 52:25
  these
• 52:26
  followers,
• 52:27
  John
• 52:27
  the
• 52:27
  Baptist,
• 52:27
  that
• 52:27
  it
• 52:27
  gets
• 52:28
  to
• 52:28
  the
• 52:28
  point
• 52:28
  of,
• 52:28
  of
• 52:28
  helping
• 52:29
  us
• 52:29
  see
• 52:29
  a
• 52:29
  little
• 52:30
  bit,
• 52:30
  a
• 52:30
  little
• 52:30
  bit
• 52:30
  deeper
• 52:31
  of
• 52:31
  what,
• 52:31
  who
• 52:31
  they
• 52:31
  are
• 52:32
  and
• 52:32
  what
• 52:32
  they're
• 52:32
  about.
• 52:32
  And
• 52:32
  then
• 52:32
  I
• 52:33
  think
• 52:33
  about
• 52:33
  like,
• 52:33
  how
• 52:33
  it
• 52:33
  would
• 52:34
  affect
• 52:35
  the
• 52:35
  timeline
• 52:35
  of
• 52:36
  my
• 52:36
  own
• 52:36
  call
• 52:37
  and
• 52:37
  how
• 52:37
  I
• 52:37
  understand
• 52:38
  Christ,
• 52:38
  how
• 52:39
  I
• 52:39
  understand.
• 52:39
  I'm
• 52:39
  a
• 52:39
  Lutheran
• 52:40
  pastor.
• 52:40
  So
• 52:40
  then
• 52:41
  it
• 52:42
  totally
• 52:43
  this
• 52:43
  kind
• 52:43
  of
• 52:44
  domino
• 52:44
  effect
• 52:44
  under
• 52:45
  shapes
• 52:46
  even
• 52:46
  how
• 52:47
  I
• 52:47
  see
• 52:47
  the
• 52:47
  world,
• 52:47
  how
• 52:48
  I
• 52:48
  see
• 52:48
  Christ
• 52:48
  and
• 52:48
  how
• 52:49
  I
• 52:49
  see
• 52:49
  John
• 52:49
  the
• 52:49
  Baptist
• 52:49
  or
• 52:50
  he
• 52:50
  preached
• 52:50
  John
• 52:50
  the
• 52:50
  Baptist
• 52:51
  at,
• 52:51
  you
• 52:51
  know,
• 52:52
  an
• 52:52
  Advent.
• 52:52
  He
• 52:52
  always
• 52:53
  pops
• 52:53
  up
• 52:53
  at
• 52:53
  Advent,
• 52:53
  you
• 52:54
  know,
• 52:55
  so,
• 52:55
  so
• 52:55
  how
• 52:56
  I
• 52:56
  would
• 52:56
  see
• 52:56
  those
• 52:56
  things.
• 52:57
  So
• 52:57
  him
• 52:57
  being
• 52:58
  around
• 52:58
  the
• 52:58
  early
• 52:58
  church
• 52:59
  and
• 52:59
  what
• 52:59
  that
• 52:59
  would
• 52:59
  look
• 53:00
  like,
• 53:00
  moving
• 53:01
  forward
• 53:01
  is
• 53:01
  very
• 53:02
  appealing
• 53:02
  to
• 53:02
  me.
• 53:02
  And
• 53:03
  it's
• 53:03
  not
• 53:03
  just
• 53:03
  like,
• 53:04
  why
• 53:04
  even
• 53:04
  spend
• 53:05
  time
• 53:05
  doing
• 53:05
  that?
• 53:05
  Well,
• 53:06
  it
• 53:06
  helps
• 53:06
  think
• 53:06
  through
• 53:07
  at
• 53:07
  a
• 53:07
  deeper
• 53:07
  level
• 53:08
  how
• 53:08
  under
• 53:08
  scriptures
• 53:09
  about
• 53:09
  how
• 53:09
  I
• 53:09
  understand
• 53:09
  these,
• 53:10
  these,
• 53:11
  these
• 53:11
  figures
• 53:12
  that
• 53:12
  are
• 53:12
  part
• 53:12
  of
• 53:13
  how
• 53:13
  I
• 53:13
  understand
• 53:14
  the
• 53:14
  world
• 53:14
  and
• 53:14
  worldview
• 53:15
  and
• 53:16
  understand
• 53:17
  those
• 53:17
  things.
• 53:17
  So
• 53:18
  yeah.
• 53:18
  Any
• 53:18
  other
• 53:19
  other
• 53:19
  things
• 53:19
  there
• 53:20
  that
• 53:20
  we're
• 53:20
  leaving
• 53:20
  hanging
• 53:20
  that
• 53:21
  you're
• 53:21
  like,
• 53:21
  tonight
• 53:22
  you're
• 53:23
  going
• 53:23
  to
• 53:23
  sleep,
• 53:23
  you're
• 53:23
  like,
• 53:23
  man,
• 53:24
  I
• 53:24
  wish
• 53:24
  I
• 53:24
  said
• 53:24
  this
• 53:25
  or
• 53:25
  asked
• 53:25
  this.
• 53:25
  Question
• 53:25
  about
• 53:26
  does
• 53:26
  John
• 53:27
  ascend?
• 53:28
  Right.
• 53:28
  So
• 53:28
  if
• 53:28
  he's
• 53:29
  there,
• 53:29
  you
• 53:30
  have
• 53:30
  the
• 53:30
  ascension
• 53:30
  of
• 53:30
  Jesus.
• 53:31
  Is
• 53:31
  John
• 53:31
  left
• 53:31
  in
• 53:32
  charge
• 53:32
  of
• 53:32
  the
• 53:32
  church?
• 53:32
  We
• 53:33
  just
• 53:34
  assumed
• 53:34
  it
• 53:34
  before.
• 53:35
  Do
• 53:35
  they
• 53:35
  both
• 53:36
  ascend?
• 53:37
  That
• 53:37
  changes.
• 53:37
  And
• 53:38
  if
• 53:38
  they're
• 53:38
  the
• 53:38
  dual
• 53:38
  lights,
• 53:39
  then
• 53:39
  they
• 53:39
  have
• 53:39
  to
• 53:39
  both
• 53:40
  ascend.
• 53:40
  So
• 53:41
  you
• 53:41
  know
• 53:42
  that
• 53:42
  one
• 53:43
  of
• 53:43
  them.
• 53:43
  Starts
• 53:43
  ascending,
• 53:43
  the
• 53:44
  other
• 53:44
  one
• 53:44
  grabs
• 53:44
  on
• 53:44
  the
• 53:44
  heel
• 53:45
  and
• 53:45
  goes
• 53:45
  up
• 53:45
  too.
• 53:46
  And
• 53:46
  yeah,
• 53:47
  similar,
• 53:47
  similar
• 53:47
  to
• 53:48
  this
• 53:48
  is.
• 53:48
  Like,
• 53:48
  look,
• 53:49
  I'm
• 53:49
  tired.
• 53:49
  I
• 53:49
  already
• 53:49
  pulled
• 53:50
  Adam
• 53:50
  and
• 53:50
  Eve
• 53:50
  out
• 53:51
  from
• 53:51
  shield
• 53:51
  so.
• 53:55
  I
• 53:55
  was
• 53:55
  the
• 53:55
  one
• 53:56
  that
• 53:56
  leapt
• 53:56
  in
• 53:56
  the
• 53:56
  belly
• 53:57
  when
• 53:57
  I,
• 53:57
  when
• 53:57
  I
• 53:58
  first
• 53:58
  heard
• 53:58
  of
• 53:58
  your
• 53:58
  name.
• 53:58
  So
• 53:59
  I'm
• 53:59
  the
• 53:59
  one
• 53:59
  who
• 54:00
  was
• 54:00
  already
• 54:00
  dancing
• 54:00
  in
• 54:01
  the
• 54:01
  womb.
• 54:02
  I'm,
• 54:02
  I'm
• 54:02
  ready,
• 54:04
  dude.
• 54:04
  You
• 54:04
  want
• 54:04
  to
• 54:04
  know
• 54:04
  a
• 54:05
  funny
• 54:05
  story
• 54:05
  about
• 54:05
  that?
• 54:06
  Okay.
• 54:06
  I
• 54:06
  was
• 54:08
  the
• 54:09
  first
• 54:09
  Sunday
• 54:10
  in
• 54:10
  Scotland
• 54:11
  where
• 54:11
  you
• 54:11
  could
• 54:11
  go
• 54:11
  like,
• 54:12
  you
• 54:12
  know,
• 54:12
  in
• 54:12
  person.
• 54:13
  It
• 54:13
  finally,
• 54:14
  after
• 54:14
  like
• 54:14
  a
• 54:14
  year
• 54:14
  and
• 54:15
  a
• 54:15
  half.
• 54:15
  Right.
• 54:15
  Not
• 54:15
  in
• 54:15
  person.
• 54:17
  I
• 54:17
  don't
• 54:17
  know
• 54:17
  if
• 54:17
  it's
• 54:18
  exactly
• 54:18
  the
• 54:18
  first
• 54:18
  Sunday,
• 54:19
  but
• 54:19
  one
• 54:19
  of
• 54:19
  the
• 54:20
  first
• 54:20
  ones.
• 54:20
  Right.
• 54:21
  I'm
• 54:21
  preaching
• 54:22
  at
• 54:22
  the
• 54:22
  big
• 54:23
  old,
• 54:23
  A
• 54:23
  Scottish
• 54:24
  Episcopal
• 54:25
  cathedral
• 54:27
  in
• 54:27
  Edinburgh,
• 54:28
  and
• 54:28
  it's
• 54:29
  Annunciation
• 54:30
  story.
• 54:31
  And,
• 54:32
  you
• 54:32
  know,
• 54:32
  I
• 54:32
  was
• 54:33
  invited
• 54:33
  to
• 54:33
  preach.
• 54:33
  I've
• 54:34
  just
• 54:34
  been
• 54:34
  preaching
• 54:34
  most
• 54:34
  of
• 54:35
  lockdown
• 54:35
  at
• 54:35
  random
• 54:36
  churches
• 54:36
  on
• 54:36
  Zoom
• 54:38
  and
• 54:38
  had
• 54:38
  quite
• 54:39
  a
• 54:39
  bit
• 54:39
  of
• 54:39
  fun
• 54:39
  doing
• 54:39
  it.
• 54:40
  So
• 54:40
  now
• 54:40
  I'm
• 54:41
  like,
• 54:41
  oh,
• 54:41
  this
• 54:41
  would
• 54:41
  be
• 54:41
  good.
• 54:42
  And
• 54:42
  it
• 54:42
  wasn't
• 54:43
  until
• 54:43
  I
• 54:43
  was
• 54:43
  about
• 54:44
  five
• 54:44
  or
• 54:44
  six
• 54:44
  minutes
• 54:45
  in,
• 54:45
  I
• 54:45
  realized
• 54:47
  they
• 54:47
  were
• 54:47
  not
• 54:47
  used
• 54:48
  to
• 54:48
  a
• 54:48
  Baptist
• 54:48
  preacher
• 54:49
  whatsoever.
• 54:50
  And
• 54:50
  so
• 54:51
  I
• 54:52
  start
• 54:52
  retelling
• 54:52
  that
• 54:53
  story.
• 54:53
  And
• 54:53
  I
• 54:53
  was
• 54:54
  like,
• 54:54
  yeah,
• 54:54
  so,
• 54:55
  Jay,
• 54:55
  JB's
• 54:55
  chilling
• 54:56
  in
• 54:56
  Elizabeth's
• 54:56
  belly.
• 54:57
  Mary's
• 54:57
  up
• 54:58
  in
• 54:58
  Jesus
• 54:59
  is
• 54:59
  up
• 54:59
  in
• 54:59
  John's
• 55:00
  or
• 55:00
  Mary's,
• 55:01
  and,
• 55:02
  and,
• 55:02
  and
• 55:02
  she
• 55:03
  walks
• 55:03
  in
• 55:03
  and,
• 55:04
  and
• 55:04
  JB's
• 55:05
  trying
• 55:05
  to
• 55:05
  throw
• 55:05
  some
• 55:05
  daps
• 55:06
  in
• 55:06
  utero
• 55:07
  right
• 55:07
  over
• 55:08
  to
• 55:08
  jc,
• 55:09
  and
• 55:10
  I
• 55:10
  guess
• 55:11
  won't
• 55:11
  name
• 55:11
  their
• 55:11
  name,
• 55:11
  but
• 55:12
  one
• 55:12
  of
• 55:12
  the
• 55:12
  New
• 55:12
  Testament
• 55:12
  professors
• 55:13
  in
• 55:13
  Edinburgh
• 55:14
  was
• 55:14
  like,
• 55:15
  I
• 55:15
  believe
• 55:15
  that
• 55:16
  will
• 55:16
  be
• 55:16
  the
• 55:16
  first
• 55:17
  and
• 55:17
  the
• 55:17
  last
• 55:17
  time
• 55:18
  anyone
• 55:18
  in
• 55:19
  this
• 55:19
  cathedral
• 55:19
  says
• 55:20
  JB
• 55:21
  was
• 55:21
  throwing
• 55:22
  JC
• 55:23
  daps
• 55:23
  in
• 55:23
  utero.
• 55:27
  That's
• 55:27
  fantastic.
• 55:28
  That's
• 55:28
  the
• 55:28
  first
• 55:28
  time
• 55:28
  or
• 55:28
  only
• 55:29
  time
• 55:29
  that
• 55:29
  that'll
• 55:29
  happen.
• 55:30
  Yeah.
• 55:31
  I
• 55:31
  mean,
• 55:31
  let's
• 55:32
  be
• 55:32
  honest.
• 55:32
  That
• 55:32
  does
• 55:33
  not
• 55:33
  get
• 55:33
  said
• 55:33
  in
• 55:33
  most
• 55:34
  places.
• 55:34
  Yeah,
• 55:35
  right,
• 55:35
  right.
• 55:35
  Let's
• 55:35
  be
• 55:36
  honest.
• 55:36
  That's
• 55:36
  probably
• 55:37
  not
• 55:37
  a
• 55:37
  lot
• 55:37
  of
• 55:37
  Lutheran
• 55:38
  circles
• 55:38
  either.
• 55:38
  But,
• 55:38
  but
• 55:39
  yeah,
• 55:39
  I,
• 55:39
  I,
• 55:39
  I
• 55:40
  love
• 55:40
  that.
• 55:40
  That's,
• 55:41
  that's
• 55:41
  really
• 55:41
  good,
• 55:42
  James.
• 55:43
  Other
• 55:43
  things
• 55:43
  there,
• 55:43
  like,
• 55:44
  you
• 55:44
  know,
• 55:45
  maybe
• 55:45
  there's
• 55:45
  another
• 55:45
  short
• 55:46
  story
• 55:46
  or
• 55:46
  something
• 55:46
  out
• 55:47
  there
• 55:47
  you're
• 55:47
  ready
• 55:47
  to,
• 55:48
  you
• 55:48
  know,
• 55:48
  put
• 55:48
  in
• 55:48
  the
• 55:49
  second
• 55:49
  edition
• 55:49
  of
• 55:49
  one
• 55:49
  of
• 55:50
  your
• 55:50
  John
• 55:50
  the
• 55:50
  Baptist
• 55:50
  books.
• 55:51
  You're
• 55:51
  gonna,
• 55:51
  you're
• 55:51
  gonna
• 55:51
  write
• 55:54
  something
• 55:55
  to
• 55:55
  put
• 55:55
  in
• 55:56
  there.
• 55:56
  I
• 55:57
  mean,
• 55:57
  I
• 55:57
  feel
• 55:57
  like.
• 55:59
  So
• 56:00
  people
• 56:00
  have
• 56:00
  said
• 56:00
  that,
• 56:00
  you
• 56:01
  know,
• 56:01
  like,
• 56:01
  a
• 56:01
  biography
• 56:02
  of
• 56:02
  John
• 56:02
  the
• 56:02
  Baptist
• 56:03
  could
• 56:03
  not
• 56:03
  be
• 56:03
  written.
• 56:04
  And,
• 56:05
  I
• 56:05
  mean,
• 56:05
  I
• 56:05
  wrote
• 56:06
  one.
• 56:06
  Yeah.
• 56:07
  That
• 56:07
  that
• 56:08
  either
• 56:08
  proved
• 56:08
  they
• 56:08
  were
• 56:09
  right
• 56:09
  or
• 56:09
  proved
• 56:09
  they
• 56:10
  were
• 56:10
  wrong.
• 56:10
  You
• 56:10
  know,
• 56:11
  I'll
• 56:11
  leave
• 56:11
  it
• 56:11
  up
• 56:11
  to
• 56:12
  posterity
• 56:12
  to
• 56:12
  decide.
• 56:13
  But
• 56:14
  I
• 56:14
  do
• 56:14
  think
• 56:14
  that
• 56:14
  the
• 56:15
  story
• 56:15
  that
• 56:15
  I've
• 56:15
  told,
• 56:16
  I
• 56:16
  mean,
• 56:16
  it,
• 56:16
  it
• 56:17
  should
• 56:17
  be
• 56:17
  novelized.
• 56:18
  Right.
• 56:18
  It
• 56:18
  should
• 56:19
  be
• 56:19
  cinematized.
• 56:20
  I
• 56:20
  mean,
• 56:20
  it's,
• 56:21
  I
• 56:21
  think
• 56:21
  there's
• 56:22
  enough
• 56:22
  there,
• 56:23
  you
• 56:23
  know,
• 56:23
  and
• 56:24
  this
• 56:24
  figure,
• 56:24
  if
• 56:25
  he
• 56:25
  was
• 56:25
  a
• 56:25
  lot
• 56:25
  more
• 56:26
  like
• 56:26
  Jesus,
• 56:26
  who's
• 56:26
  a
• 56:26
  lot
• 56:27
  more
• 56:27
  charming,
• 56:27
  he
• 56:27
  was
• 56:27
  a
• 56:27
  lot
• 56:27
  more
• 56:28
  engaging.
• 56:28
  That's
• 56:28
  why
• 56:29
  he
• 56:29
  has
• 56:30
  such
• 56:30
  an
• 56:30
  impact.
• 56:30
  And
• 56:31
  everybody's
• 56:31
  paying
• 56:31
  attention,
• 56:32
  right?
• 56:32
  The
• 56:32
  religious
• 56:33
  leaders,
• 56:33
  the
• 56:33
  political
• 56:33
  leaders.
• 56:34
  He
• 56:34
  has
• 56:34
  followers
• 56:35
  in,
• 56:35
  you
• 56:35
  know,
• 56:36
  apparently
• 56:36
  in
• 56:36
  Alexandria
• 56:37
  and
• 56:37
  in
• 56:37
  Ephesus.
• 56:38
  I
• 56:38
  mean,
• 56:38
  this
• 56:38
  is,
• 56:39
  you
• 56:39
  know,
• 56:39
  this
• 56:39
  movement
• 56:39
  is
• 56:40
  spreading
• 56:40
  like
• 56:40
  wildfire
• 56:41
  even
• 56:42
  before
• 56:42
  Jesus
• 56:43
  shows
• 56:43
  up.
• 56:43
  Right.
• 56:43
  Because
• 56:44
  Paul
• 56:44
  gets
• 56:45
  to
• 56:45
  Ephesus
• 56:45
  and
• 56:45
  it's
• 56:46
  like,
• 56:46
  yeah,
• 56:46
  no,
• 56:46
  there
• 56:47
  are
• 56:47
  some
• 56:47
  disciples,
• 56:47
  some
• 56:48
  members
• 56:48
  of
• 56:48
  the
• 56:48
  Way
• 56:48
  there,
• 56:49
  but
• 56:49
  we
• 56:49
  only
• 56:50
  know
• 56:50
  John's
• 56:50
  baptism,
• 56:52
  and
• 56:52
  they
• 56:52
  seem
• 56:52
  like
• 56:53
  they're
• 56:53
  aware
• 56:53
  of
• 56:53
  Jesus.
• 56:53
  Right.
• 56:53
  So
• 56:54
  Jesus
• 56:54
  may
• 56:54
  have
• 56:54
  already
• 56:54
  been
• 56:54
  part
• 56:55
  of
• 56:55
  John's
• 56:55
  movement
• 56:55
  by
• 56:55
  that
• 56:56
  point,
• 56:56
  but
• 56:56
  the
• 56:56
  whole
• 56:56
  thing
• 56:57
  hasn't
• 56:57
  taken
• 56:57
  off.
• 56:57
  And
• 56:58
  the
• 56:58
  crucifixion
• 56:58
  hasn't
• 56:59
  happened
• 56:59
  yet,
• 56:59
  and
• 56:59
  they
• 56:59
  haven't
• 57:00
  got
• 57:00
  heard
• 57:00
  about
• 57:00
  that.
• 57:01
  And
• 57:02
  that
• 57:02
  gives
• 57:02
  us
• 57:02
  a
• 57:02
  sense
• 57:03
  of
• 57:03
  just
• 57:03
  what
• 57:04
  an
• 57:04
  influential
• 57:05
  figure
• 57:05
  John
• 57:06
  was
• 57:06
  in
• 57:06
  his
• 57:06
  own
• 57:07
  right.
• 57:07
  And
• 57:08
  I
• 57:08
  think
• 57:08
  that
• 57:08
  when
• 57:09
  we
• 57:09
  don't
• 57:09
  get
• 57:09
  that,
• 57:09
  we
• 57:10
  actually
• 57:10
  get
• 57:10
  stuff
• 57:10
  about
• 57:11
  Jesus,
• 57:11
  right?
• 57:11
  Wrong.
• 57:12
  Right.
• 57:12
  Because
• 57:13
  sometimes,
• 57:13
  you
• 57:13
  know,
• 57:14
  you
• 57:14
  get.
• 57:14
  And
• 57:15
  I
• 57:15
  love
• 57:15
  John
• 57:15
  Dominic
• 57:15
  Crossan,
• 57:16
  you
• 57:16
  know,
• 57:16
  I
• 57:17
  mean,
• 57:17
  big
• 57:17
  fan
• 57:17
  and
• 57:17
  was
• 57:18
  honored
• 57:18
  to,
• 57:18
  you
• 57:19
  know,
• 57:19
  talk
• 57:19
  with
• 57:19
  him
• 57:19
  at
• 57:19
  theology
• 57:20
  beer
• 57:20
  camp.
• 57:20
  But
• 57:20
  one
• 57:21
  of
• 57:21
  the
• 57:21
  things
• 57:21
  that
• 57:21
  he
• 57:21
  and
• 57:21
  I
• 57:21
  disagree
• 57:22
  on
• 57:22
  is
• 57:22
  whether
• 57:22
  it's,
• 57:23
  you
• 57:23
  know,
• 57:23
  we
• 57:23
  should
• 57:23
  really
• 57:24
  play
• 57:24
  off
• 57:24
  sort
• 57:25
  of
• 57:25
  fasting
• 57:25
  John
• 57:26
  versus
• 57:26
  feasting
• 57:27
  Jesus
• 57:27
  over
• 57:27
  against
• 57:28
  one
• 57:28
  another.
• 57:29
  Right.
• 57:30
  John
• 57:30
  had
• 57:30
  some
• 57:30
  quirky
• 57:31
  eating
• 57:31
  habits.
• 57:32
  We
• 57:32
  have
• 57:32
  no
• 57:32
  record
• 57:33
  anywhere
• 57:33
  that
• 57:33
  he
• 57:33
  told
• 57:34
  anybody
• 57:34
  else,
• 57:34
  yeah,
• 57:35
  if
• 57:35
  you
• 57:35
  want
• 57:36
  to
• 57:36
  be
• 57:36
  my
• 57:36
  follower,
• 57:36
  you
• 57:36
  must
• 57:36
  be
• 57:37
  baptized,
• 57:37
  repent,
• 57:38
  and
• 57:38
  eat
• 57:39
  only
• 57:39
  locusts
• 57:39
  and
• 57:39
  wild
• 57:40
  honey
• 57:40
  or
• 57:40
  something
• 57:40
  like
• 57:40
  that.
• 57:41
  Right.
• 57:41
  You
• 57:41
  know,
• 57:41
  it's
• 57:41
  not
• 57:41
  a
• 57:42
  stipulation.
• 57:43
  And
• 57:43
  so
• 57:43
  whatever
• 57:44
  you
• 57:44
  think
• 57:44
  the
• 57:44
  reason
• 57:44
  is,
• 57:45
  and
• 57:46
  one
• 57:46
  of
• 57:46
  the
• 57:46
  possibilities
• 57:47
  I
• 57:47
  entertained
• 57:47
  is
• 57:48
  that
• 57:48
  it
• 57:49
  was
• 57:49
  just
• 57:49
  that
• 57:49
  after
• 57:50
  he
• 57:50
  left
• 57:50
  home
• 57:51
  and
• 57:51
  was
• 57:52
  trying
• 57:52
  to
• 57:52
  figure
• 57:52
  out
• 57:52
  what
• 57:52
  he's
• 57:53
  going
• 57:53
  to
• 57:53
  do,
• 57:53
  he's
• 57:53
  relying
• 57:54
  on
• 57:54
  what
• 57:54
  God
• 57:54
  provides
• 57:55
  in
• 57:55
  the
• 57:55
  wilderness.
• 57:56
  Right.
• 57:56
  And
• 57:56
  that
• 57:56
  becomes
• 57:57
  part
• 57:57
  of
• 57:57
  inspiration,
• 57:58
  not
• 57:58
  just
• 57:58
  for
• 57:58
  him,
• 57:58
  but
• 57:58
  also
• 57:58
  for
• 57:59
  Jesus,
• 57:59
  teaching
• 58:00
  about,
• 58:00
  you
• 58:00
  know,
• 58:01
  God,
• 58:01
  you
• 58:02
  know,
• 58:02
  clothes,
• 58:02
  the
• 58:02
  sparrows
• 58:03
  and
• 58:03
  feed,
• 58:03
  you
• 58:03
  know,
• 58:04
  close
• 58:04
  the
• 58:04
  lilies
• 58:04
  of
• 58:04
  the
• 58:04
  field
• 58:05
  and
• 58:05
  feed
• 58:05
  sparrows.
• 58:07
  It's
• 58:07
  what
• 58:07
  God
• 58:08
  provides
• 58:08
  to
• 58:08
  him.
• 58:09
  And
• 58:09
  so
• 58:09
  even
• 58:09
  when
• 58:10
  he's
• 58:10
  not
• 58:10
  necessarily
• 58:11
  only
• 58:12
  eating
• 58:12
  that
• 58:12
  anymore,
• 58:13
  you
• 58:13
  know,
• 58:14
  John's
• 58:14
  disciples,
• 58:15
  like,
• 58:15
  when
• 58:15
  somebody
• 58:15
  new
• 58:16
  joins
• 58:16
  the
• 58:16
  group,
• 58:16
  it's
• 58:16
  like,
• 58:17
  John,
• 58:17
  tell.
• 58:18
  Tell
• 58:18
  them
• 58:18
  about
• 58:18
  what
• 58:18
  you
• 58:19
  see
• 58:19
  in
• 58:19
  the
• 58:19
  wilderness.
• 58:20
  And
• 58:20
  John's
• 58:21
  like,
• 58:21
  munching.
• 58:22
  He'll
• 58:22
  grab
• 58:23
  a
• 58:23
  locust,
• 58:23
  he'll
• 58:23
  be
• 58:23
  like,
• 58:23
  crunch,
• 58:24
  crunch,
• 58:24
  crunch.
• 58:24
  Here,
• 58:25
  want
• 58:25
  some?
• 58:25
  You
• 58:25
  know,
• 58:25
  and
• 58:26
  stuff
• 58:26
  like
• 58:26
  that.
• 58:26
  And
• 58:26
  that's
• 58:27
  like
• 58:27
  the
• 58:27
  Initiation.
• 58:28
  Right.
• 58:28
  You
• 58:28
  know,
• 58:28
  when
• 58:28
  you're
• 58:28
  joining,
• 58:29
  he's
• 58:30
  got.
• 58:30
  Like
• 58:30
  that,
• 58:30
  honey,
• 58:30
  like
• 58:31
  fun
• 58:31
  dips,
• 58:31
  you
• 58:31
  know,
• 58:31
  like
• 58:32
  a
• 58:32
  little
• 58:32
  fun
• 58:32
  dip
• 58:32
  candy.
• 58:34
  John,
• 58:35
  in
• 58:35
  the
• 58:35
  few
• 58:36
  words
• 58:36
  we
• 58:36
  have
• 58:36
  attributed
• 58:37
  to
• 58:37
  him
• 58:37
  in
• 58:37
  the
• 58:37
  New
• 58:37
  Testament,
• 58:38
  he's
• 58:38
  making
• 58:38
  puns
• 58:39
  and
• 58:39
  wordplay
• 58:40
  and
• 58:40
  doing
• 58:40
  all
• 58:40
  this
• 58:40
  image.
• 58:41
  I
• 58:41
  mean,
• 58:41
  it's
• 58:42
  just
• 58:42
  this
• 58:43
  guy
• 58:43
  was
• 58:43
  a
• 58:43
  character,
• 58:44
  right?
• 58:44
  And
• 58:45
  he
• 58:45
  was.
• 58:45
  He
• 58:46
  was
• 58:46
  engaging
• 58:47
  and
• 58:48
  not.
• 58:49
  You
• 58:49
  know,
• 58:49
  I
• 58:49
  don't
• 58:49
  know
• 58:49
  whether
• 58:49
  I'm
• 58:50
  the
• 58:50
  one
• 58:50
  to
• 58:50
  tell
• 58:50
  the
• 58:50
  story.
• 58:51
  I
• 58:51
  may
• 58:51
  be
• 58:51
  too
• 58:51
  closely
• 58:51
  wedded
• 58:52
  to
• 58:52
  some
• 58:52
  of
• 58:52
  the.
• 58:52
  All
• 58:52
  the
• 58:53
  historical
• 58:53
  research,
• 58:54
  but
• 58:54
  somebody
• 58:55
  should
• 58:55
  take
• 58:55
  this
• 58:56
  and
• 58:56
  explore
• 58:57
  it
• 58:57
  in
• 58:58
  more,
• 58:58
  you
• 58:58
  know,
• 58:59
  historical
• 59:00
  fiction
• 59:00
  form
• 59:01
  and
• 59:01
  maybe
• 59:01
  in,
• 59:02
  you
• 59:02
  know,
• 59:03
  visual
• 59:03
  media
• 59:04
  and
• 59:04
  other
• 59:04
  stuff
• 59:05
  like
• 59:05
  that.
• 59:05
  I
• 59:05
  think
• 59:06
  I'm
• 59:06
  biased,
• 59:07
  though.
• 59:08
  I'm
• 59:08
  with
• 59:08
  you.
• 59:09
  Short,
• 59:09
  Short
• 59:10
  story.
• 59:10
  Like,
• 59:10
  I.
• 59:11
  One
• 59:11
  advent,
• 59:12
  I
• 59:12
  was
• 59:12
  showing
• 59:13
  my.
• 59:13
  My
• 59:13
  children's
• 59:14
  message.
• 59:14
  I
• 59:14
  was
• 59:14
  showing
• 59:15
  them
• 59:15
  a
• 59:15
  picture
• 59:16
  in
• 59:16
  the
• 59:16
  action
• 59:17
  Bible
• 59:17
  of
• 59:18
  what
• 59:19
  was
• 59:19
  John
• 59:19
  the
• 59:19
  Baptist
• 59:20
  with,
• 59:20
  like,
• 59:20
  long
• 59:21
  hair
• 59:21
  and
• 59:21
  he's
• 59:21
  yelling
• 59:22
  or
• 59:22
  spitting
• 59:23
  out
• 59:23
  something,
• 59:23
  and
• 59:23
  I'm
• 59:24
  like,
• 59:24
  who
• 59:24
  do
• 59:24
  you
• 59:24
  guys
• 59:24
  think
• 59:24
  this?
• 59:24
  And
• 59:25
  not
• 59:25
  thinking
• 59:25
  they
• 59:25
  were
• 59:25
  going
• 59:25
  to
• 59:25
  say,
• 59:26
  like,
• 59:27
  Jesus.
• 59:27
  And
• 59:27
  I
• 59:27
  was
• 59:28
  going
• 59:28
  to
• 59:28
  like,
• 59:28
  nope,
• 59:28
  it's
• 59:28
  John
• 59:28
  the
• 59:28
  Baptist
• 59:29
  and
• 59:29
  this,
• 59:29
  blah,
• 59:29
  blah,
• 59:30
  blah.
• 59:30
  But
• 59:31
  it
• 59:31
  was
• 59:31
  right
• 59:31
  around
• 59:31
  the
• 59:32
  time
• 59:32
  that.
• 59:32
  Of
• 59:32
  the
• 59:34
  Jason
• 59:34
  Momoa
• 59:35
  Aquaman
• 59:35
  movie.
• 59:36
  So.
• 59:37
  So
• 59:38
  when
• 59:38
  I
• 59:38
  showed
• 59:38
  that
• 59:38
  picture,
• 59:39
  I
• 59:39
  was
• 59:39
  like,
• 59:39
  who
• 59:39
  is
• 59:39
  this?
• 59:40
  And
• 59:40
  one
• 59:40
  of
• 59:40
  the
• 59:40
  kids
• 59:41
  was
• 59:41
  like,
• 59:41
  aquaman.
• 59:42
  And
• 59:42
  I
• 59:42
  was
• 59:43
  like,
• 59:43
  dude,
• 59:43
  you're.
• 59:44
  You're
• 59:44
  not
• 59:44
  wrong.
• 59:45
  This
• 59:45
  is
• 59:45
  Aquaman.
• 59:46
  This
• 59:46
  guy
• 59:46
  played
• 59:46
  with
• 59:46
  water
• 59:47
  a
• 59:47
  lot.
• 59:47
  Like,
• 59:48
  you're
• 59:48
  right.
• 59:48
  Like,
• 59:48
  John
• 59:48
  the
• 59:49
  batters
• 59:49
  are
• 59:49
  the
• 59:49
  OG
• 59:50
  Aquaman.
• 59:50
  And
• 59:51
  the
• 59:51
  whole
• 59:51
  congregation
• 59:51
  laughed.
• 59:52
  I
• 59:52
  will
• 59:52
  never
• 59:52
  not
• 59:53
  think
• 59:53
  of
• 59:54
  John
• 59:54
  the
• 59:54
  Baptist
• 59:54
  as
• 59:55
  the
• 59:55
  original
• 59:55
  Aquaman.
• 59:56
  And
• 59:56
  because.
• 59:57
  Forget
• 59:58
  it.
• 59:58
  Jason
• 59:58
  Momoa,
• 59:59
  we
• 59:59
  have
• 59:59
  the
• 59:59
  original
• 1:00:00
  one
• 1:00:00
  here.
• 1:00:00
  Ready?
• 1:00:00
  Play
• 1:00:01
  with
• 1:00:01
  water.
• 1:00:01
  He's
• 1:00:01
  got
• 1:00:01
  water.
• 1:00:02
  Water
• 1:00:02
  bending
• 1:00:03
  powers
• 1:00:03
  ready
• 1:00:03
  to
• 1:00:03
  go.
• 1:00:04
  Because
• 1:00:04
  that's.
• 1:00:05
  That
• 1:00:05
  was
• 1:00:05
  his
• 1:00:05
  superpower.
• 1:00:06
  So
• 1:00:06
  I
• 1:00:07
  think
• 1:00:07
  that's
• 1:00:07
  your
• 1:00:07
  casting
• 1:00:08
  right
• 1:00:08
  there.
• 1:00:09
  Yes,
• 1:00:09
  Jason,
• 1:00:10
  that
• 1:00:10
  would
• 1:00:10
  be
• 1:00:11
  one
• 1:00:11
  way.
• 1:00:11
  James,
• 1:00:12
  people
• 1:00:12
  would
• 1:00:12
  be
• 1:00:12
  really
• 1:00:13
  interested
• 1:00:13
  in
• 1:00:13
  your
• 1:00:13
  book.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Is
• 1:00:14
  if.
• 1:00:15
  Is
• 1:00:15
  if
• 1:00:15
  when
• 1:00:15
  they
• 1:00:16
  hear
• 1:00:16
  John
• 1:00:16
  the
• 1:00:16
  Baptist,
• 1:00:17
  they
• 1:00:17
  think
• 1:00:18
  Jason
• 1:00:18
  Momoa.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  And
• 1:00:19
  you're
• 1:00:19
  like,
• 1:00:19
  let's
• 1:00:20
  do
• 1:00:20
  it.
• 1:00:20
  Let's
• 1:00:20
  make
• 1:00:20
  it
• 1:00:20
  happen.
• 1:00:21
  But
• 1:00:21
  is
• 1:00:22
  that.
• 1:00:22
  Is
• 1:00:22
  that
• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
  image
• 1:00:23
  or
• 1:00:23
  is
• 1:00:23
  it
• 1:00:23
  more
• 1:00:23
  of
• 1:00:23
  a.
• 1:00:24
  Is
• 1:00:24
  he
• 1:00:24
  more
• 1:00:24
  of
• 1:00:24
  a
• 1:00:24
  Hagrid?
• 1:00:25
  Right.
• 1:00:25
  That's
• 1:00:25
  the
• 1:00:25
  question.
• 1:00:26
  Oh.
• 1:00:26
  Oh.
• 1:00:27
  More
• 1:00:27
  of
• 1:00:27
  a
• 1:00:27
  Haggard.
• 1:00:28
  I
• 1:00:28
  like
• 1:00:28
  it.
• 1:00:28
  It.
• 1:00:28
  I
• 1:00:29
  like
• 1:00:29
  it.
• 1:00:29
  Going
• 1:00:29
  full
• 1:00:30
  circle
• 1:00:31
  since
• 1:00:31
  we're
• 1:00:31
  going
• 1:00:31
  to
• 1:00:32
  be
• 1:00:32
  at
• 1:00:32
  the
• 1:00:32
  Al
• 1:00:32
  Beard
• 1:00:32
  camp
• 1:00:33
  tonight,
• 1:00:33
  guys,
• 1:00:33
  thank
• 1:00:33
  you
• 1:00:34
  so,
• 1:00:34
  so
• 1:00:34
  much.
• 1:00:35
  This
• 1:00:35
  is.
• 1:00:35
  This
• 1:00:35
  is
• 1:00:35
  it.
• 1:00:36
  Like,
• 1:00:36
  yeah,
• 1:00:36
  it
• 1:00:36
  wasn't
• 1:00:37
  like
• 1:00:37
  super
• 1:00:38
  deep
• 1:00:38
  sci
• 1:00:38
  fi,
• 1:00:39
  geeky
• 1:00:39
  Marvel
• 1:00:40
  comic
• 1:00:40
  stuff,
• 1:00:40
  but
• 1:00:41
  like
• 1:00:41
  the.
• 1:00:41
  The
• 1:00:41
  what
• 1:00:41
  if
• 1:00:42
  scenario
• 1:00:42
  and
• 1:00:43
  thinking
• 1:00:43
  about,
• 1:00:43
  I
• 1:00:44
  could
• 1:00:44
  definitely
• 1:00:44
  see
• 1:00:44
  an
• 1:00:44
  episode
• 1:00:45
  of
• 1:00:45
  Doctor
• 1:00:45
  who,
• 1:00:45
  of
• 1:00:46
  hopping
• 1:00:46
  in
• 1:00:46
  the
• 1:00:46
  TARDIS
• 1:00:47
  and,
• 1:00:47
  and
• 1:00:47
  go
• 1:00:47
  into
• 1:00:48
  a
• 1:00:48
  time,
• 1:00:48
  an
• 1:00:48
  alternate
• 1:00:49
  timeline
• 1:00:50
  within
• 1:00:50
  the
• 1:00:50
  Jesus
• 1:00:51
  storyline
• 1:00:51
  where
• 1:00:51
  John
• 1:00:51
  the
• 1:00:52
  Baptist
• 1:00:52
  is
• 1:00:52
  still
• 1:00:52
  alive,
• 1:00:53
  sitting
• 1:00:53
  there
• 1:00:53
  in
• 1:00:53
  the
• 1:00:53
  crowd
• 1:00:54
  where
• 1:00:54
  Jesus
• 1:00:55
  from
• 1:00:55
  the
• 1:00:55
  cross
• 1:00:55
  is
• 1:00:56
  looking
• 1:00:56
  at
• 1:00:56
  the
• 1:00:56
  women,
• 1:00:56
  also
• 1:00:56
  looks
• 1:00:57
  at
• 1:00:57
  John
• 1:00:57
  the
• 1:00:57
  Baptist
• 1:00:57
  and
• 1:00:57
  he's
• 1:00:58
  looking
• 1:00:58
  at
• 1:00:58
  his
• 1:00:58
  disciples.
• 1:00:58
  Like,
• 1:00:59
  these
• 1:00:59
  are
• 1:00:59
  now
• 1:00:59
  he.
• 1:01:00
  All
• 1:01:00
  your,
• 1:01:00
  your
• 1:01:01
  guy.
• 1:01:01
  These
• 1:01:01
  are
• 1:01:01
  your
• 1:01:02
  disciples.
• 1:01:02
  Like,
• 1:01:02
  you
• 1:01:02
  guys
• 1:01:03
  get
• 1:01:03
  together
• 1:01:03
  and
• 1:01:03
  hang
• 1:01:04
  out
• 1:01:04
  and
• 1:01:04
  hang
• 1:01:05
  out.
• 1:01:05
  I'll
• 1:01:05
  be
• 1:01:05
  back
• 1:01:05
  soon.
• 1:01:06
  Or,
• 1:01:06
  I
• 1:01:06
  don't
• 1:01:06
  know,
• 1:01:06
  whatever
• 1:01:07
  you
• 1:01:07
  want
• 1:01:07
  to
• 1:01:07
  say,
• 1:01:08
  they
• 1:01:08
  are
• 1:01:08
  from
• 1:01:08
  the
• 1:01:08
  cross.
• 1:01:09
  Here's
• 1:01:09
  your,
• 1:01:09
  here's
• 1:01:10
  your
• 1:01:10
  mother.
• 1:01:10
  Or
• 1:01:11
  here
• 1:01:11
  is,
• 1:01:11
  Here
• 1:01:12
  is
• 1:01:12
  your,
• 1:01:12
  here's
• 1:01:12
  your
• 1:01:13
  rabbi.
• 1:01:14
  I,
• 1:01:14
  I,
• 1:01:15
  I
• 1:01:15
  kind
• 1:01:16
  of
• 1:01:16
  like
• 1:01:16
  that,
• 1:01:16
  that
• 1:01:16
  idea.
• 1:01:17
  And
• 1:01:17
  that's
• 1:01:17
  kind
• 1:01:17
  of
• 1:01:17
  stuff
• 1:01:17
  we
• 1:01:18
  do
• 1:01:18
  at
• 1:01:18
  theology
• 1:01:18
  beer
• 1:01:19
  camp
• 1:01:19
  as
• 1:01:19
  well
• 1:01:19
  at
• 1:01:20
  the
• 1:01:20
  Pop
• 1:01:20
  God
• 1:01:21
  stage,
• 1:01:21
  Geek
• 1:01:21
  stage.
• 1:01:22
  Daniel
• 1:01:23
  Graph
• 1:01:23
  has
• 1:01:23
  been
• 1:01:23
  in
• 1:01:24
  full
• 1:01:24
  Star
• 1:01:25
  Trek
• 1:01:25
  cosplay,
• 1:01:26
  but
• 1:01:26
  also
• 1:01:27
  did
• 1:01:27
  a
• 1:01:27
  whole
• 1:01:27
  presentation
• 1:01:28
  on,
• 1:01:28
  on
• 1:01:28
  Doctor
• 1:01:29
  who.
• 1:01:29
  And,
• 1:01:29
  and
• 1:01:30
  I've
• 1:01:30
  seen
• 1:01:30
  Tripp
• 1:01:31
  cry
• 1:01:32
  a
• 1:01:32
  number
• 1:01:32
  of
• 1:01:32
  times
• 1:01:32
  on
• 1:01:33
  the
• 1:01:33
  geek
• 1:01:33
  stage
• 1:01:33
  while
• 1:01:33
  talking
• 1:01:34
  about
• 1:01:34
  friendship
• 1:01:34
  and
• 1:01:35
  Sam
• 1:01:35
  and
• 1:01:35
  doing
• 1:01:36
  a
• 1:01:36
  toast.
• 1:01:36
  Those
• 1:01:37
  are
• 1:01:37
  some
• 1:01:37
  things
• 1:01:37
  you
• 1:01:38
  can
• 1:01:38
  experience,
• 1:01:39
  Tripp,
• 1:01:39
  like
• 1:01:40
  with
• 1:01:40
  this
• 1:01:40
  upcoming
• 1:01:41
  beer
• 1:01:42
  camp,
• 1:01:42
  you
• 1:01:42
  know,
• 1:01:43
  past,
• 1:01:43
  present,
• 1:01:44
  future.
• 1:01:45
  Where
• 1:01:45
  do
• 1:01:45
  you
• 1:01:45
  see,
• 1:01:46
  like,
• 1:01:46
  this
• 1:01:46
  next
• 1:01:47
  one?
• 1:01:47
  This
• 1:01:47
  is,
• 1:01:47
  what
• 1:01:48
  number
• 1:01:48
  is
• 1:01:48
  this
• 1:01:48
  in
• 1:01:49
  2025?
• 1:01:49
  This
• 1:01:50
  is
• 1:01:50
  number.
• 1:01:51
  Well,
• 1:01:52
  I
• 1:01:53
  don't
• 1:01:53
  remember
• 1:01:53
  how
• 1:01:53
  long,
• 1:01:54
  how
• 1:01:54
  many
• 1:01:55
  years
• 1:01:55
  we
• 1:01:56
  missed
• 1:01:56
  in
• 1:01:56
  Covid,
• 1:01:56
  but.
• 1:01:57
  Right,
• 1:01:58
  this
• 1:01:58
  is
• 1:01:58
  the,
• 1:01:58
  it's,
• 1:01:59
  this
• 1:01:59
  would
• 1:01:59
  be
• 1:01:59
  the
• 1:01:59
  ninth
• 1:02:00
  year
• 1:02:01
  of
• 1:02:01
  theology
• 1:02:01
  beer
• 1:02:02
  camps,
• 1:02:02
  but,
• 1:02:03
  you
• 1:02:03
  know,
• 1:02:03
  not
• 1:02:03
  during
• 1:02:04
  COVID
• 1:02:04
  Yeah,
• 1:02:04
  yeah.
• 1:02:06
  So
• 1:02:06
  I
• 1:02:06
  forgot
• 1:02:07
  one
• 1:02:07
  thing
• 1:02:07
  I
• 1:02:07
  want
• 1:02:07
  to
• 1:02:07
  ask
• 1:02:07
  you
• 1:02:08
  to.
• 1:02:08
  Because
• 1:02:09
  James,
• 1:02:09
  James,
• 1:02:11
  we
• 1:02:11
  had.
• 1:02:11
  The
• 1:02:11
  TARDIS
• 1:02:12
  was
• 1:02:12
  involved
• 1:02:13
  in
• 1:02:13
  this
• 1:02:13
  story.
• 1:02:15
  So
• 1:02:16
  do
• 1:02:17
  you
• 1:02:17
  think
• 1:02:17
  Jesus
• 1:02:17
  and
• 1:02:18
  John
• 1:02:18
  are
• 1:02:18
  more
• 1:02:18
  confused
• 1:02:19
  by
• 1:02:19
  the
• 1:02:19
  concept
• 1:02:20
  of
• 1:02:20
  time
• 1:02:20
  travel?
• 1:02:21
  And
• 1:02:22
  then
• 1:02:23
  you
• 1:02:23
  could
• 1:02:23
  have
• 1:02:23
  the,
• 1:02:24
  you
• 1:02:24
  could
• 1:02:24
  have
• 1:02:25
  Doctor
• 1:02:25
  who
• 1:02:25
  invite
• 1:02:26
  them,
• 1:02:26
  like,
• 1:02:26
  oh,
• 1:02:26
  look,
• 1:02:26
  I'll
• 1:02:27
  take
• 1:02:27
  you
• 1:02:27
  one
• 1:02:27
  place.
• 1:02:27
  Where
• 1:02:28
  would
• 1:02:28
  you
• 1:02:28
  want
• 1:02:28
  to
• 1:02:28
  go?
• 1:02:29
  And
• 1:02:29
  he's
• 1:02:30
  talking
• 1:02:30
  about
• 1:02:30
  all
• 1:02:30
  the
• 1:02:30
  things
• 1:02:31
  in
• 1:02:31
  the
• 1:02:31
  future.
• 1:02:32
  Do
• 1:02:33
  you
• 1:02:33
  know
• 1:02:33
  this
• 1:02:33
  is
• 1:02:34
  another
• 1:02:34
  place
• 1:02:34
  you
• 1:02:34
  get
• 1:02:35
  tempted
• 1:02:35
  to
• 1:02:35
  go.
• 1:02:35
  Start
• 1:02:36
  to
• 1:02:36
  like,
• 1:02:36
  are
• 1:02:36
  they
• 1:02:36
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• 1:02:37
  to
• 1:02:37
  go
• 1:02:37
  in
• 1:02:37
  the
• 1:02:38
  future
• 1:02:38
  or
• 1:02:38
  are
• 1:02:38
  they
• 1:02:38
  going
• 1:02:38
  to
• 1:02:38
  be
• 1:02:39
  like,
• 1:02:39
  no,
• 1:02:39
  we
• 1:02:39
  just
• 1:02:39
  saw
• 1:02:39
  the
• 1:02:39
  resurrection
• 1:02:40
  dead.
• 1:02:40
  We've
• 1:02:40
  seen
• 1:02:41
  the
• 1:02:41
  future.
• 1:02:43
  Like,
• 1:02:44
  there's
• 1:02:44
  all
• 1:02:45
  sorts
• 1:02:45
  of
• 1:02:45
  things.
• 1:02:45
  Do
• 1:02:45
  they
• 1:02:45
  want
• 1:02:46
  to
• 1:02:46
  go
• 1:02:46
  back
• 1:02:46
  in
• 1:02:46
  the
• 1:02:46
  past
• 1:02:46
  or
• 1:02:47
  do
• 1:02:47
  they
• 1:02:47
  find
• 1:02:47
  the
• 1:02:47
  whole
• 1:02:47
  thing
• 1:02:47
  just
• 1:02:48
  problematic
• 1:02:48
  and
• 1:02:49
  not,
• 1:02:49
  not
• 1:02:49
  even
• 1:02:50
  interested?
• 1:02:50
  Because
• 1:02:51
  I'm
• 1:02:51
  trying
• 1:02:51
  to
• 1:02:51
  think,
• 1:02:51
  if
• 1:02:52
  I
• 1:02:52
  was
• 1:02:52
  raised
• 1:02:52
  from
• 1:02:52
  the
• 1:02:53
  dead
• 1:02:53
  and
• 1:02:53
  someone
• 1:02:53
  still
• 1:02:54
  told
• 1:02:54
  me
• 1:02:54
  I
• 1:02:54
  could
• 1:02:54
  get
• 1:02:54
  in
• 1:02:55
  a
• 1:02:55
  time
• 1:02:55
  machine,
• 1:02:55
  I
• 1:02:55
  would
• 1:02:56
  be
• 1:02:56
  interested.
• 1:02:58
  Like,
• 1:02:58
  I
• 1:02:59
  would
• 1:02:59
  want.
• 1:02:59
  Why
• 1:03:00
  would
• 1:03:00
  you
• 1:03:00
  not
• 1:03:00
  want
• 1:03:00
  to
• 1:03:00
  do
• 1:03:00
  that?
• 1:03:01
  And,
• 1:03:02
  and
• 1:03:02
  maybe
• 1:03:02
  one
• 1:03:02
  wants
• 1:03:03
  to
• 1:03:03
  go
• 1:03:03
  the
• 1:03:03
  past,
• 1:03:03
  one
• 1:03:04
  wants
• 1:03:04
  to
• 1:03:04
  go
• 1:03:04
  the
• 1:03:04
  Future.
• 1:03:05
  And
• 1:03:05
  they
• 1:03:05
  have
• 1:03:05
  to
• 1:03:06
  like,
• 1:03:06
  play
• 1:03:07
  paper,
• 1:03:07
  rock,
• 1:03:07
  scissors,
• 1:03:09
  take
• 1:03:09
  turns.
• 1:03:10
  This,
• 1:03:10
  the
• 1:03:11
  Synoptic
• 1:03:11
  Gospels
• 1:03:11
  would
• 1:03:12
  emphasize
• 1:03:12
  that
• 1:03:13
  Jesus
• 1:03:13
  won.
• 1:03:15
  Just,
• 1:03:17
  just
• 1:03:19
  not
• 1:03:19
  all.
• 1:03:19
  You
• 1:03:19
  may
• 1:03:20
  look
• 1:03:20
  weird
• 1:03:20
  that
• 1:03:21
  he
• 1:03:21
  baptized
• 1:03:21
  Jesus,
• 1:03:22
  but
• 1:03:23
  he
• 1:03:23
  didn't
• 1:03:24
  want
• 1:03:24
  to
• 1:03:24
  and
• 1:03:25
  most
• 1:03:26
  likely
• 1:03:28
  told
• 1:03:29
  everybody.
• 1:03:30
  Like,
• 1:03:30
  this
• 1:03:31
  is
• 1:03:31
  a
• 1:03:31
  bit
• 1:03:31
  embarrassing,
• 1:03:32
  but,
• 1:03:32
  you
• 1:03:33
  know,
• 1:03:34
  so
• 1:03:34
  for.
• 1:03:34
  For
• 1:03:34
  the
• 1:03:34
  Doctor
• 1:03:35
  who
• 1:03:35
  fans
• 1:03:35
  who
• 1:03:35
  are
• 1:03:36
  listening,
• 1:03:36
  right?
• 1:03:36
  So,
• 1:03:38
  I
• 1:03:38
  mean,
• 1:03:38
  there
• 1:03:38
  is
• 1:03:38
  a
• 1:03:39
  cartoon
• 1:03:39
  somebody
• 1:03:39
  made
• 1:03:39
  and
• 1:03:40
  that's.
• 1:03:40
  That
• 1:03:41
  really
• 1:03:41
  brings
• 1:03:41
  us
• 1:03:41
  back
• 1:03:41
  to
• 1:03:41
  the.
• 1:03:42
  To
• 1:03:42
  what
• 1:03:43
  sci
• 1:03:43
  fi
• 1:03:43
  does,
• 1:03:43
  right?
• 1:03:44
  So
• 1:03:44
  there's
• 1:03:45
  this
• 1:03:45
  cartoon
• 1:03:46
  and
• 1:03:47
  the
• 1:03:47
  headline
• 1:03:48
  on
• 1:03:48
  it
• 1:03:48
  was
• 1:03:48
  like,
• 1:03:49
  the
• 1:03:49
  Resurrection
• 1:03:50
  scientifically
• 1:03:51
  explained.
• 1:03:52
  And
• 1:03:52
  then
• 1:03:52
  had
• 1:03:52
  the
• 1:03:52
  Doctor
• 1:03:53
  was
• 1:03:53
  Tom
• 1:03:53
  Bakers
• 1:03:54
  as
• 1:03:54
  the
• 1:03:54
  Doctor
• 1:03:55
  showing
• 1:03:55
  up
• 1:03:55
  in
• 1:03:55
  the
• 1:03:55
  TARDIS
• 1:03:56
  in
• 1:03:56
  the
• 1:03:56
  tomb
• 1:03:56
  and
• 1:03:56
  was
• 1:03:57
  like,
• 1:03:57
  hey,
• 1:03:57
  you
• 1:03:57
  want
• 1:03:57
  to
• 1:03:57
  come
• 1:03:57
  with
• 1:03:58
  me?
• 1:03:58
  Oh,
• 1:03:58
  yeah,
• 1:03:58
  thanks.
• 1:03:59
  And
• 1:03:59
  so
• 1:03:59
  he
• 1:03:59
  gets,
• 1:03:59
  you
• 1:03:59
  know,
• 1:04:00
  that's
• 1:04:00
  the.
• 1:04:01
  Basically
• 1:04:01
  it.
• 1:04:02
  And
• 1:04:03
  what's
• 1:04:03
  funny
• 1:04:04
  is,
• 1:04:04
  you
• 1:04:04
  know,
• 1:04:05
  I
• 1:04:05
  mean,
• 1:04:05
  that
• 1:04:05
  is
• 1:04:05
  what
• 1:04:06
  scientifically
• 1:04:07
  explained
• 1:04:07
  means
• 1:04:08
  in
• 1:04:08
  sci
• 1:04:08
  fi,
• 1:04:09
  right?
• 1:04:09
  You
• 1:04:09
  know,
• 1:04:09
  the
• 1:04:10
  crew
• 1:04:10
  of
• 1:04:10
  the
• 1:04:10
  Enterprise.
• 1:04:11
  No
• 1:04:11
  one
• 1:04:11
  wants
• 1:04:12
  to
• 1:04:12
  say
• 1:04:12
  it,
• 1:04:12
  right?
• 1:04:12
  Because
• 1:04:13
  it's
• 1:04:13
  like,
• 1:04:13
  no,
• 1:04:13
  we're
• 1:04:14
  these
• 1:04:14
  rational
• 1:04:14
  people,
• 1:04:14
  we're
• 1:04:15
  above
• 1:04:15
  magic
• 1:04:16
  and
• 1:04:16
  stuff,
• 1:04:16
  we're
• 1:04:16
  beyond
• 1:04:17
  superstition.
• 1:04:18
  And
• 1:04:18
  then
• 1:04:18
  the
• 1:04:18
  crew
• 1:04:19
  apparates
• 1:04:20
  down
• 1:04:20
  to
• 1:04:20
  the
• 1:04:20
  planet's
• 1:04:21
  surface,
• 1:04:21
  right?
• 1:04:23
  Yeah.
• 1:04:23
  I
• 1:04:23
  mean,
• 1:04:24
  this
• 1:04:24
  is
• 1:04:24
  magic,
• 1:04:25
  but
• 1:04:26
  with
• 1:04:26
  technobabble,
• 1:04:27
  right?
• 1:04:27
  Yeah.
• 1:04:28
  And
• 1:04:28
  supposedly
• 1:04:29
  explaining
• 1:04:29
  it,
• 1:04:29
  right?
• 1:04:30
  And,
• 1:04:31
  you
• 1:04:31
  know,
• 1:04:31
  Dr.
• 1:04:31
  Who
• 1:04:32
  is
• 1:04:32
  close
• 1:04:33
  enough
• 1:04:33
  to
• 1:04:33
  the
• 1:04:33
  border
• 1:04:33
  that,
• 1:04:34
  I
• 1:04:34
  mean,
• 1:04:34
  it's
• 1:04:34
  like,
• 1:04:34
  okay,
• 1:04:35
  you
• 1:04:35
  know,
• 1:04:35
  he
• 1:04:35
  could
• 1:04:35
  be
• 1:04:36
  a
• 1:04:36
  wizard
• 1:04:36
  with
• 1:04:36
  a
• 1:04:36
  magical
• 1:04:37
  box
• 1:04:37
  and,
• 1:04:37
  you
• 1:04:37
  know,
• 1:04:37
  it
• 1:04:38
  would
• 1:04:38
  be
• 1:04:38
  the
• 1:04:38
  same
• 1:04:38
  stories,
• 1:04:38
  right,
• 1:04:39
  if
• 1:04:39
  the
• 1:04:40
  aliens
• 1:04:40
  were
• 1:04:40
  just
• 1:04:40
  monsters
• 1:04:41
  and
• 1:04:41
  not
• 1:04:41
  aliens
• 1:04:42
  that
• 1:04:42
  are
• 1:04:42
  also
• 1:04:42
  monsters.
• 1:04:43
  It's
• 1:04:43
  like,
• 1:04:43
  you
• 1:04:43
  know,
• 1:04:44
  and
• 1:04:44
  so
• 1:04:44
  one
• 1:04:45
  of
• 1:04:45
  the
• 1:04:45
  things
• 1:04:45
  I
• 1:04:45
  love
• 1:04:45
  about
• 1:04:46
  sci
• 1:04:46
  fi
• 1:04:46
  is
• 1:04:46
  that
• 1:04:46
  it,
• 1:04:47
  it
• 1:04:47
  highlights
• 1:04:48
  that
• 1:04:48
  we
• 1:04:48
  have
• 1:04:49
  a
• 1:04:49
  desire
• 1:04:49
  for
• 1:04:49
  magic,
• 1:04:50
  right?
• 1:04:50
  We
• 1:04:51
  want
• 1:04:51
  stories
• 1:04:51
  of
• 1:04:52
  heroism
• 1:04:53
  and
• 1:04:53
  of,
• 1:04:53
  Of.
• 1:04:54
  Of
• 1:04:55
  gods
• 1:04:56
  and
• 1:04:56
  of
• 1:04:56
  powerful
• 1:04:56
  beings
• 1:04:57
  and
• 1:04:57
  of,
• 1:04:58
  of,
• 1:04:58
  you
• 1:04:59
  know,
• 1:04:59
  confronting
• 1:04:59
  them
• 1:05:00
  and,
• 1:05:00
  you
• 1:05:00
  know,
• 1:05:00
  wrestling
• 1:05:01
  with
• 1:05:01
  these
• 1:05:01
  big
• 1:05:01
  questions.
• 1:05:02
  And
• 1:05:02
  that's
• 1:05:03
  true
• 1:05:03
  even
• 1:05:04
  of,
• 1:05:04
  you
• 1:05:04
  know,
• 1:05:04
  secular,
• 1:05:05
  scientific
• 1:05:05
  people,
• 1:05:06
  right?
• 1:05:06
  They
• 1:05:06
  want
• 1:05:06
  a
• 1:05:06
  way
• 1:05:07
  to
• 1:05:07
  explore
• 1:05:07
  these
• 1:05:08
  things
• 1:05:08
  within
• 1:05:08
  them.
• 1:05:08
  And
• 1:05:08
  sci
• 1:05:09
  fi
• 1:05:09
  often
• 1:05:09
  gives
• 1:05:09
  that.
• 1:05:10
  But,
• 1:05:10
  but
• 1:05:11
  for
• 1:05:11
  those
• 1:05:11
  who
• 1:05:11
  are
• 1:05:12
  looking
• 1:05:12
  closely
• 1:05:12
  at
• 1:05:12
  the
• 1:05:13
  stories,
• 1:05:13
  we'll
• 1:05:14
  notice
• 1:05:14
  that
• 1:05:14
  there's
• 1:05:14
  also
• 1:05:15
  places
• 1:05:15
  where
• 1:05:15
  you
• 1:05:15
  can
• 1:05:16
  say,
• 1:05:16
  okay,
• 1:05:17
  but
• 1:05:17
  why
• 1:05:18
  is
• 1:05:18
  Q
• 1:05:18
  not
• 1:05:18
  a
• 1:05:19
  God?
• 1:05:19
  Why
• 1:05:19
  is
• 1:05:19
  Apollo
• 1:05:20
  not
• 1:05:20
  a
• 1:05:20
  God?
• 1:05:21
  What
• 1:05:22
  are
• 1:05:22
  you
• 1:05:22
  excluding?
• 1:05:23
  And
• 1:05:23
  if
• 1:05:23
  he's
• 1:05:24
  not
• 1:05:24
  a
• 1:05:24
  God,
• 1:05:24
  it's
• 1:05:25
  maybe
• 1:05:25
  because
• 1:05:26
  you've
• 1:05:26
  got
• 1:05:26
  this
• 1:05:26
  idea
• 1:05:27
  of
• 1:05:27
  God
• 1:05:27
  as
• 1:05:28
  all
• 1:05:29
  encompassing
• 1:05:29
  and
• 1:05:30
  stuff
• 1:05:30
  like
• 1:05:30
  that.
• 1:05:30
  It's
• 1:05:30
  like,
• 1:05:31
  well,
• 1:05:31
  where
• 1:05:31
  did
• 1:05:31
  you
• 1:05:31
  get
• 1:05:31
  that
• 1:05:32
  idea
• 1:05:32
  from?
• 1:05:33
  I
• 1:05:33
  know
• 1:05:34
  a
• 1:05:34
  group
• 1:05:34
  that's
• 1:05:34
  got
• 1:05:34
  that.
• 1:05:35
  I
• 1:05:35
  know
• 1:05:35
  a
• 1:05:35
  Lutheran
• 1:05:36
  church
• 1:05:36
  pastored
• 1:05:37
  by
• 1:05:37
  a
• 1:05:37
  guy
• 1:05:37
  named
• 1:05:37
  Will
• 1:05:38
  Rose
• 1:05:38
  that
• 1:05:38
  has
• 1:05:39
  that
• 1:05:39
  view
• 1:05:39
  of
• 1:05:39
  God
• 1:05:39
  where
• 1:05:40
  you
• 1:05:40
  could.
• 1:05:40
  And
• 1:05:41
  you'd
• 1:05:41
  Fit
• 1:05:41
  right
• 1:05:41
  in.
• 1:05:41
  This
• 1:05:42
  is
• 1:05:42
  Star
• 1:05:42
  Trek
• 1:05:42
  fan,
• 1:05:43
  but
• 1:05:43
  also
• 1:05:43
  with
• 1:05:43
  the,
• 1:05:44
  you
• 1:05:44
  know,
• 1:05:44
  and
• 1:05:44
  denying
• 1:05:45
  Apollo
• 1:05:45
  his
• 1:05:45
  divinity
• 1:05:46
  because
• 1:05:46
  you.
• 1:05:46
  You
• 1:05:47
  think
• 1:05:47
  that
• 1:05:47
  God
• 1:05:47
  should
• 1:05:48
  be
• 1:05:48
  reserved
• 1:05:48
  for
• 1:05:49
  this
• 1:05:49
  all
• 1:05:49
  encompassing
• 1:05:50
  reality,
• 1:05:51
  right?
• 1:05:51
  The
• 1:05:51
  ground
• 1:05:51
  of
• 1:05:52
  being.
• 1:05:53
  And
• 1:05:54
  so.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah,
• 1:05:55
  but
• 1:05:55
  Star
• 1:05:55
  Trek,
• 1:05:56
  not
• 1:05:56
  Star
• 1:05:57
  Trek.
• 1:05:57
  Doctor
• 1:05:57
  who
• 1:05:57
  has
• 1:05:58
  done.
• 1:05:58
  You
• 1:05:58
  know,
• 1:05:58
  there's
• 1:05:59
  these
• 1:05:59
  two
• 1:06:00
  brief
• 1:06:01
  throwaway
• 1:06:01
  lines
• 1:06:02
  in
• 1:06:02
  episodes
• 1:06:03
  that
• 1:06:03
  indicate,
• 1:06:04
  you
• 1:06:04
  know,
• 1:06:04
  and
• 1:06:04
  just
• 1:06:05
  recently
• 1:06:05
  in
• 1:06:06
  the.
• 1:06:06
  And
• 1:06:06
  sorry
• 1:06:07
  if
• 1:06:07
  this
• 1:06:07
  is
• 1:06:07
  a
• 1:06:07
  spoiler
• 1:06:07
  for
• 1:06:07
  anyone.
• 1:06:08
  Stop
• 1:06:08
  your
• 1:06:09
  ears
• 1:06:09
  if
• 1:06:09
  you're
• 1:06:09
  not
• 1:06:09
  up
• 1:06:09
  to
• 1:06:09
  date
• 1:06:10
  on
• 1:06:10
  Doctor
• 1:06:10
  who.
• 1:06:11
  But
• 1:06:11
  we
• 1:06:12
  get
• 1:06:12
  where
• 1:06:13
  the
• 1:06:13
  Doctor
• 1:06:13
  is,
• 1:06:13
  like
• 1:06:14
  back
• 1:06:14
  in
• 1:06:14
  Bethlehem
• 1:06:15
  and
• 1:06:15
  there's
• 1:06:15
  the
• 1:06:15
  star
• 1:06:16
  and
• 1:06:16
  all
• 1:06:16
  this
• 1:06:16
  stuff.
• 1:06:16
  But
• 1:06:17
  that
• 1:06:17
  was
• 1:06:17
  a
• 1:06:17
  good
• 1:06:18
  episode.
• 1:06:18
  Fantastic
• 1:06:19
  episode.
• 1:06:20
  Fantastic.
• 1:06:21
  But
• 1:06:21
  already
• 1:06:22
  in
• 1:06:22
  Voyage
• 1:06:23
  of
• 1:06:23
  the
• 1:06:23
  Damned,
• 1:06:24
  right,
• 1:06:24
  these
• 1:06:25
  aliens
• 1:06:25
  are
• 1:06:25
  trying
• 1:06:26
  to
• 1:06:26
  figure
• 1:06:26
  out.
• 1:06:26
  It's
• 1:06:26
  like,
• 1:06:26
  so
• 1:06:26
  what's
• 1:06:27
  this
• 1:06:27
  Christmas
• 1:06:27
  thing
• 1:06:27
  all
• 1:06:27
  about?
• 1:06:28
  And
• 1:06:28
  the
• 1:06:28
  Doctor's
• 1:06:28
  like,
• 1:06:29
  well,
• 1:06:29
  I
• 1:06:29
  should
• 1:06:29
  know,
• 1:06:29
  I
• 1:06:29
  was
• 1:06:30
  there.
• 1:06:30
  It's
• 1:06:30
  like,
• 1:06:30
  long
• 1:06:31
  story,
• 1:06:31
  I
• 1:06:31
  should
• 1:06:31
  know.
• 1:06:31
  I
• 1:06:31
  was
• 1:06:31
  there.
• 1:06:32
  I
• 1:06:32
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• 1:06:32
  the
• 1:06:32
  last
• 1:06:32
  room,
• 1:06:33
  right,
• 1:06:34
  which
• 1:06:34
  is,
• 1:06:34
  you
• 1:06:34
  know,
• 1:06:36
  I
• 1:06:36
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• 1:06:37
  throw
• 1:06:37
  it
• 1:06:37
  in
• 1:06:37
  there
• 1:06:37
  and
• 1:06:37
  I
• 1:06:38
  missed
• 1:06:38
  it,
• 1:06:38
  I
• 1:06:38
  think,
• 1:06:38
  the
• 1:06:38
  first
• 1:06:39
  time.
• 1:06:40
  And
• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:40
  in
• 1:06:41
  Planet
• 1:06:41
  of
• 1:06:42
  the
• 1:06:42
  Dead,
• 1:06:42
  right,
• 1:06:43
  you've
• 1:06:43
  got
• 1:06:43
  him.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Talking
• 1:06:45
  with
• 1:06:45
  someone
• 1:06:46
  saying,
• 1:06:46
  yeah,
• 1:06:46
  I
• 1:06:46
  don't
• 1:06:46
  usually
• 1:06:47
  do
• 1:06:47
  Easter,
• 1:06:47
  right.
• 1:06:47
  Because
• 1:06:48
  it
• 1:06:48
  keeps
• 1:06:48
  moving
• 1:06:48
  around,
• 1:06:49
  which
• 1:06:49
  is
• 1:06:49
  just
• 1:06:49
  hilarious,
• 1:06:50
  right?
• 1:06:50
  When,
• 1:06:50
  you
• 1:06:50
  know,
• 1:06:50
  the
• 1:06:50
  whole
• 1:06:51
  all
• 1:06:51
  the
• 1:06:52
  things
• 1:06:52
  with
• 1:06:52
  the
• 1:06:52
  dating
• 1:06:53
  of
• 1:06:53
  Easter,
• 1:06:53
  it's
• 1:06:53
  like
• 1:06:54
  time
• 1:06:54
  traveler,
• 1:06:54
  of
• 1:06:54
  course
• 1:06:55
  he's
• 1:06:55
  going
• 1:06:55
  to
• 1:06:55
  keep
• 1:06:55
  missing
• 1:06:55
  it,
• 1:06:56
  right?
• 1:06:57
  He's
• 1:06:57
  like,
• 1:06:57
  between
• 1:06:58
  you
• 1:06:58
  and,
• 1:06:58
  you
• 1:06:58
  know,
• 1:06:58
  I
• 1:06:58
  was
• 1:06:59
  there
• 1:06:59
  for
• 1:06:59
  the
• 1:06:59
  original.
• 1:07:00
  Between
• 1:07:00
  you
• 1:07:00
  and
• 1:07:00
  me,
• 1:07:00
  what
• 1:07:01
  really
• 1:07:01
  happened
• 1:07:01
  was.
• 1:07:01
  And
• 1:07:02
  then
• 1:07:02
  the
• 1:07:02
  beeper
• 1:07:02
  starts
• 1:07:03
  going
• 1:07:03
  off
• 1:07:03
  and
• 1:07:03
  he
• 1:07:03
  doesn't
• 1:07:04
  finish
• 1:07:04
  the
• 1:07:04
  sentence.
• 1:07:04
  You
• 1:07:04
  know,
• 1:07:06
  so
• 1:07:06
  there
• 1:07:06
  are
• 1:07:06
  these
• 1:07:06
  throwaway
• 1:07:07
  lines
• 1:07:07
  in
• 1:07:07
  Doctor
• 1:07:07
  who
• 1:07:08
  that
• 1:07:08
  show
• 1:07:08
  that
• 1:07:08
  it's
• 1:07:08
  sort
• 1:07:09
  of
• 1:07:09
  aware
• 1:07:09
  that
• 1:07:10
  time
• 1:07:10
  travel
• 1:07:11
  gives
• 1:07:11
  you
• 1:07:11
  a
• 1:07:11
  way
• 1:07:11
  of,
• 1:07:12
  you
• 1:07:12
  know,
• 1:07:12
  potentially
• 1:07:12
  exploring
• 1:07:13
  some
• 1:07:13
  of
• 1:07:13
  these
• 1:07:13
  things,
• 1:07:14
  which
• 1:07:14
  is
• 1:07:14
  fascinating.
• 1:07:16
  But
• 1:07:16
  for
• 1:07:16
  those
• 1:07:16
  who
• 1:07:16
  want
• 1:07:17
  some
• 1:07:17
  more
• 1:07:18
  substantive
• 1:07:18
  engagement,
• 1:07:19
  like
• 1:07:19
  longer
• 1:07:19
  than
• 1:07:20
  just
• 1:07:20
  throw
• 1:07:20
  away
• 1:07:20
  lines,
• 1:07:21
  there's
• 1:07:21
  an
• 1:07:21
  audiobook,
• 1:07:22
  right?
• 1:07:22
  Doctor
• 1:07:23
  who
• 1:07:23
  has
• 1:07:23
  a
• 1:07:23
  lot
• 1:07:23
  of
• 1:07:23
  audiobooks,
• 1:07:24
  but
• 1:07:24
  one
• 1:07:25
  of
• 1:07:25
  them
• 1:07:25
  is
• 1:07:25
  Doctor
• 1:07:26
  who,
• 1:07:26
  the
• 1:07:26
  Council
• 1:07:26
  of
• 1:07:26
  Nicaea.
• 1:07:27
  Oh,
• 1:07:28
  and
• 1:07:28
  yeah,
• 1:07:29
  and
• 1:07:29
  it's
• 1:07:29
  written
• 1:07:30
  by.
• 1:07:32
  I
• 1:07:32
  mean,
• 1:07:32
  the
• 1:07:32
  author
• 1:07:32
  is
• 1:07:33
  Carolyn
• 1:07:33
  Simcox,
• 1:07:34
  who
• 1:07:34
  is.
• 1:07:35
  Is
• 1:07:36
  a
• 1:07:36
  minister.
• 1:07:36
  Her
• 1:07:37
  husband
• 1:07:37
  wrote
• 1:07:37
  some
• 1:07:38
  of
• 1:07:38
  the
• 1:07:39
  Doctor
• 1:07:39
  who
• 1:07:39
  episodes
• 1:07:40
  that
• 1:07:40
  actually
• 1:07:40
  aired.
• 1:07:41
  Right.
• 1:07:41
  So
• 1:07:42
  her
• 1:07:42
  husband
• 1:07:42
  is
• 1:07:43
  a
• 1:07:43
  writer,
• 1:07:43
  but
• 1:07:43
  she,
• 1:07:43
  she
• 1:07:44
  is
• 1:07:44
  too.
• 1:07:44
  And
• 1:07:45
  yeah,
• 1:07:45
  but
• 1:07:46
  this
• 1:07:46
  is
• 1:07:46
  from
• 1:07:46
  somebody
• 1:07:46
  who's
• 1:07:47
  also
• 1:07:47
  an
• 1:07:47
  ordained
• 1:07:48
  Anglican
• 1:07:48
  minister.
• 1:07:49
  And
• 1:07:49
  yeah,
• 1:07:50
  it's
• 1:07:50
  fascinating
• 1:07:51
  stuff.
• 1:07:51
  So,
• 1:07:51
  yeah,
• 1:07:52
  there's
• 1:07:52
  so
• 1:07:53
  many
• 1:07:53
  ways
• 1:07:53
  that
• 1:07:54
  you
• 1:07:54
  can
• 1:07:54
  engage
• 1:07:54
  between
• 1:07:55
  fandom
• 1:07:55
  and
• 1:07:55
  faith.
• 1:07:56
  Not
• 1:07:57
  just
• 1:07:57
  like
• 1:07:57
  implicitly,
• 1:07:58
  but
• 1:07:59
  it's
• 1:07:59
  like,
• 1:07:59
  no,
• 1:07:59
  no,
• 1:08:01
  this
• 1:08:01
  minister
• 1:08:01
  made
• 1:08:02
  this
• 1:08:02
  episode,
• 1:08:02
  you
• 1:08:02
  know,
• 1:08:02
  this
• 1:08:02
  audiobook.
• 1:08:03
  And
• 1:08:03
  it's
• 1:08:03
  about
• 1:08:04
  the
• 1:08:04
  Doctor
• 1:08:04
  going
• 1:08:04
  Back
• 1:08:05
  to
• 1:08:05
  the
• 1:08:05
  Council
• 1:08:05
  of
• 1:08:05
  Nicaea.
• 1:08:06
  It's
• 1:08:06
  like,
• 1:08:06
  I
• 1:08:06
  mean
• 1:08:06
  this
• 1:08:07
  is
• 1:08:07
  just
• 1:08:07
  head
• 1:08:07
  on,
• 1:08:08
  you
• 1:08:08
  know,
• 1:08:08
  right
• 1:08:08
  at
• 1:08:08
  the
• 1:08:09
  intersection.
• 1:08:10
  Fun
• 1:08:10
  stuff.
• 1:08:11
  It
• 1:08:11
  is,
• 1:08:12
  it
• 1:08:12
  is.
• 1:08:14
  Well
• 1:08:15
  before
• 1:08:16
  we,
• 1:08:16
  we
• 1:08:16
  hop
• 1:08:16
  in
• 1:08:16
  the
• 1:08:17
  tars
• 1:08:17
  our,
• 1:08:17
  ourselves
• 1:08:18
  I
• 1:08:18
  think
• 1:08:18
  you
• 1:08:19
  know,
• 1:08:19
  part
• 1:08:19
  of
• 1:08:19
  even
• 1:08:20
  that
• 1:08:20
  kind
• 1:08:20
  of
• 1:08:20
  the,
• 1:08:21
  the,
• 1:08:21
  the
• 1:08:22
  Navy
• 1:08:22
  scene
• 1:08:22
  Like
• 1:08:23
  UAPs,
• 1:08:23
  we're
• 1:08:23
  not
• 1:08:23
  calling
• 1:08:24
  UFOs,
• 1:08:24
  we'll
• 1:08:24
  call
• 1:08:24
  them
• 1:08:24
  UAPs.
• 1:08:27
  Maybe
• 1:08:28
  that,
• 1:08:28
  maybe
• 1:08:28
  that's
• 1:08:28
  the
• 1:08:28
  TARDIS
• 1:08:29
  flying
• 1:08:29
  around
• 1:08:30
  with
• 1:08:30
  John
• 1:08:31
  and
• 1:08:31
  Jesus
• 1:08:31
  inside
• 1:08:32
  scoping
• 1:08:33
  out
• 1:08:33
  like
• 1:08:33
  the,
• 1:08:35
  the
• 1:08:35
  2000s
• 1:08:36
  being
• 1:08:36
  like,
• 1:08:36
  oh
• 1:08:36
  crap,
• 1:08:37
  we
• 1:08:37
  gotta
• 1:08:37
  do
• 1:08:37
  something.
• 1:08:38
  Something's
• 1:08:39
  going
• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:39
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• 1:08:47
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• 1:08:48
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• 1:08:49
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• 1:08:50
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• 1:08:51
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• 1:09:08
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• 1:09:14
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• 1:09:15
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• 1:10:31
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• 1:10:43
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• 1:11:06
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• 1:11:11
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• 1:11:17
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• 1:11:17
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• 1:11:18
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• 1:11:18
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• 1:11:20
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:23
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:33
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• 1:11:33
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• 1:11:34
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• 1:11:36
  So
• 1:11:36
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• 1:11:36
  Trip.
• 1:11:37
  Thanks
• 1:11:37
  James
• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:38
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• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:41
  Discord.
• 1:11:41
  Thanks
• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:42
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• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:43
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:45
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:47
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• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:48
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• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:49
  So
• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:50
  hop
• 1:11:50
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• 1:11:51
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• 1:11:51
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• 1:11:51
  here
• 1:12:03
  it.