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PODCAST: Episode 953 - Iron Maiden Has Made The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame - Who is Next? · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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None. This is a countdown to another
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live stream. Technical difficulties abound.
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But if we are here now, what's up everybody, how are you?
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It's Kefi with a late night ghostcalledman.com live stream.
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I am trying to get certain things going after we shit the
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bed on Instagram here and YouTube a few minutes ago.
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Sometimes these things just happen.
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If you're out there and you can hear me say what's up, few
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people are here already. Yeah, I hope everybody's doing
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good on this Tuesday night. We found out late last night, or
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sort of last night, that Iron Maiden had made the Rock and
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Roll Hall of Fame. The much derided and complained
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about and talked about the Hall of Fame, which I only like
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talking about because I like complaining about it.
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What else can I say? But yeah, we're here to talk
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about all the things. And again, unfortunately, no
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TikTok tonight, but hopefully we will get it all going
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momentarily. See what's happening here.
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I'm just trying to make sure everybody is coming on.
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Annie, hey, Kristen is passing by my one of my favorite people
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in the business. Good to see you.
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Good to see you. So yeah, let's let's just take
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one more second. I'm just trying to get it to
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cooperate. Here we go as people are coming
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on. Thank you for watching.
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If anybody's out there again and you can hear and see me say
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what's up 'cause it's already been a technical cluster fog,
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but I will repost these on IG. It's too bad that the this isn't
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working too well. But anyway, Iron Maiden up the
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freaking irons. They finally made the Rock and
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Roll Hall of Fame and I'm here to talk all about it.
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We're going to talk about who made it.
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We're going to talk about who didn't make it.
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Hey, Melissa, is that you? You're here.
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I've been having some problems. My fiance is here.
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Love you so much. So, yeah, we're going to talk
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about Maiden getting in, who else got in, who got snubbed,
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who got in last year because it's kind of relevant to what I
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want to talk about a little here and then who I think should get
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in next year. Obviously, the Rock and Roll
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Hall of Fame is not does not care about rock and metal fans.
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But maybe as more rock and metal bands get in, we will eventually
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have our day and our say. There's so many bands that have
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not gone. And I did a similar stream last
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year at this time. It seemed to strike a chord with
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people. I thought I would do another
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one. I rejiggered it a little bit for
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this year. Obviously, a lot of people did
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not get in that I would hope would get in or not even
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nominated like some bands that I care a deep amount about.
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But, you know, hopefully, hopefully this is the thing.
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But anyway, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on here.
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I can't get some of these things to go.
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All right, any who. So we're here to talk about Iron
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Maiden. Just in case you haven't
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noticed. You know, we have content every
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day on our website. Ivana Riot is here.
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What's up? And 80s Metal Forever is here.
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Truly would have a lot to say about Iron Made in on this
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joyous occasion of them making the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Whether you like the Hall of Fame or not, we have an
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interview right now on YouTube that's kind of going viral.
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Our new interview, our exclusive new interview with Steve Von
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Till and Noah Landis of Neurosis.
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Their new album and undying love for a burning world is out now.
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They surprise dropped it. Their new band member Aaron
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Turner of Isis the band and Sumac and Old Man Gloom and
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Siege Records and formerly of Hydra head records and made a
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huge impact coming in And I'm pretty well chuffed about this.
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As the birds say. Check that out if you're a fan
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of having extreme music, possibly my early album of the
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So let's just talk for a second about this Rock Hall class.
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This was the biggest class of nominees in history.
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The actual in addition to Iron Maiden, Phil Collins, Bitly
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Idol, Joy Division and New Order, which really surprised
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me. I'll talk about that.
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Oasis, Sade, another surprise, Luther Vandross and Wu Tang
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Clan. And we're not here to debate the
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criteria which the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame chooses artists.
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They have included gospel and R&B and Blues and rap from the
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very beginning. It really should be the Popular
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Music Hall of Fame or the American Popular Music Hall of
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Fame. There is a heavy metal Hall of
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Fame. Generally speaking, they do a
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very good job and a lot of their stuff is integrated with charity
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that I like. But on the other side, I think
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that in the future years they're going to have a hard time
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putting in the modern era of bands because they're putting in
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what I consider to be a lot of unworthy and also ran second
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level rockers. To me, I judge the Hall of Fame
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like the Sports Hall of Fame and I know Hall of Fame.
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Is that even relevant to metal or punk?
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It's like almost anti metal and punk to have a Hall of Fame.
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But what I really want to talk about is you're either a lock or
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you're not. And the fact that there was a
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lot of debate about some of these artists, it's a little
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mind blowing. Like in terms of like
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credentials or like they the Rock'n'roll of Fame's own
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credentials say they don't count sales.
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It's about artistic merit, influence, broad appeal that's
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not necessarily tied to sales, genre defining it, you know,
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exploring new grounds, not retreads.
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So on the surface that all makes sense and on the second hand, it
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doesn't make a lot of sense, but we'll talk about it.
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Also Luther Vandross and like I said, we think very cool.
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Also getting in this year. There are other, you know, I
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don't think there should be all these little subcategories.
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I think you're in or you're not in.
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So also getting in under early influences, say a Cruz.
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If you don't know who say a Cruz is, she's the queen of salsa.
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She is a legend of of Spanish and Latin Latin origin music.
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Fela Kuti, also humongously influential worldwide, also a
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political activist, also died young.
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Crazy talk. Thanks to Melissa on TikTok for
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getting the number one badge here.
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I appreciate you Dark side of the moon.
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I hope that's a Pink Floyd reference.
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I get that reference also. Queen Latifah and MC Light, two
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female pioneers of hip hop. Great rappers, not just lady
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rappers but in general legendary hip hop artists as well as
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Graham Parsons the folk rocker. Also from musical excellence,
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Linda Creed arethe Martin, Jimmy Miller and Rick Rubin.
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Rick Rubin will come up again later.
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We'll talk about why. And there's sort of a prestige
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old timers industry award and they gave one to Ed Sullivan.
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Gigi fan is here on TikTok. What's up, Gigi fan, you've been
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here before. Nice to see you again.
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So let's talk a little bit about it.
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Maiden gets in on their third try.
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The rock halls credentials and requisites say you need to be
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have released music in the, you know, starting with 25 years
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after your first release, you're eligible.
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Well, Iron Maiden has is celebrating 50 years this year
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on tour as a band and their first release was, you know,
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what was it 1978? So they are long overdue, about
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22 years overdue for being in or 32 years overdue.
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But anyway, glad they're in. Priest is in, Metallica is in.
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There's not a lot of Black Sabbath is in.
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There's not a lot of truly metal bands that are in and we're
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going to talk about the possibility of future bands that
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are borderline metal or heavy metal or rock.
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And the metal hard music bands, Can they actually get in?
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And some other bands that I find interesting should maybe get get
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some play. So Maiden gets in Billy Idol.
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I'm honestly surprised. He definitely has had a
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resurgence. There's a great documentary out
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about him right now. Billy Idol should be dead.
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I'm hoping to watch it one of these coming weekends with my
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wonderful fiance Melissa. I really was like, he's got
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hits. The majority of his huge numbers
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in sales has come from the last 15 years of streaming.
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He has had like obviously celebrated Ozzy Osbourne for his
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solo Hall of Fame induction last year.
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And so this is, you know, it's nice that he's in.
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He's great. I don't think he's actually
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ground breaking or inspired a lot of rocker's mainstream or
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punk. He's known for coming from the
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underground punk scene, from a band that wasn't very popular to
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having a huge, in the MTV era huge radio presence.
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So like, good for Billy Idol. I'm not mad, I'm not hating, I
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just was surprised he got in, if that makes any sense to you.
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Then there's Oasis, these two fucking dorks.
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Honestly two of the worst people alive.
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But Oasis, who is not at all groundbreaking but perhaps
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influential, they helped usher in an entire, you know, era of
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Brit pop and an alternative rock in the 90s.
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Humongous band in Europe. About, as I've said on my other
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podcast, 3 or 4 times bigger than they are in the States,
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they are in their home country of the United Kingdom.
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I am always thinking back to the British Parliament episode spoof
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of Saturday Night Live where Will Ferrell says can we not all
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agree that Oasis is the greatest band since The Beatles and
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people are like poppycock nonsense.
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So I think it's pretty funny they managed to do a whole world
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tour last summer and last fall, surprisingly surprising me that
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they didn't kill each other or break up on stage like they have
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many times in the past. It will be interesting to see if
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the former members of Oasis get to come to the Rock Hall and
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shit on them. And I didn't mention that Blaze
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Bailey for of formerly of Iron Maiden of the Iron Maiden middle
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era when Bruce quit in the 90s and then came back.
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He is being inducted with the proper band.
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So I think that's really rad and awesome.
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I'm a Blaze fan. Those records don't really hold
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up except for a couple of songs. But he is a wonderful singer and
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if he hadn't joined the band, I don't know another singer that
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could have come in and, you know, stepped in Bruce's shoes
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for a long time and been respected.
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Wu Tang Clan covered formerly by Ghost Cult.
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They're currently on their farewell tour.
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I have a whole story on YouTube under my war stories with TV
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story and and podcast. That series is coming back soon
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with where I got to meet Wu Tang Clan when I was a college radio
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journalist and broadcaster and Method Man thought I was a narc
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with my long hair and a ponytail and my many pieces of paper
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doing the news. But Wu Tang, Good for Wu Tang,
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they deserve it. So few, you know, so many
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overrated rap artists are out there who are just trash to me.
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And Wu Tang Clan has always kept it real.
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Tremendously original, iconic, universal, groundbreaking,
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inspirational, influential. They tick all the boxes, man.
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And I can't think of another group that's had as many side
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projects and spin offs and solo solo albums that did as well,
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you know, probably no artist ever.
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So just really quick to just again to recap, this brings me
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to kind of who got nominated and snubbed because I talked a lot
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about this last year and it seemed to hit with people.
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So just for a second, let's just talk about the people who were
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nominated but did not get in. Nominated but not in.
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Let's see, I had it up here a second to go slow as molasses,
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incidentally, like 1. So people snubbed that didn't
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get in include Lauren Hill of The Fugees.
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I think maybe we'll talk about some of the other bands that got
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in in a second. Black Crows I thought shouldn't
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be in. They're very derivative.
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Great band for the first 3 or 4 records and then kind of to me,
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not great In Excess I thought maybe could get in, but Billy
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Idol maybe took the spot of In Excess as an 80s hit band.
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Mariah Carey snubbed again, not that I care that much, but I do.
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Pink not not didn't get in. Shakira didn't get in.
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These are two of the biggest selling artist of all time, Jeff
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Buckley, who I adore and love his music and I can't even
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handle watching that documentary about him because I'm sad.
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I'm going to cry a lot. He didn't get in and I just
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didn't think he has like 1 really great record and a second
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record and a live record. And it's very, you know, that
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was 30 years ago and I don't really ever hear people talk
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about Jeff Buckley. He's a wonderful talent, but is
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there a lot of artists out there that sound like Jeff Buckley
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that are because of Jeff Buckley?
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And I don't think that's the case.
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But for the other winners, right?
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For the other inductees, we'll say, you know, the other people
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getting in. Phil Collins well deserved as a
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solo artist. Biggest selling solo artist of
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the entire 1980s and the second biggest selling album of the 80s
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besides Michael Jackson. Thriller.
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Incredible solo artist. Completely made a whole new
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career for himself outside of Genesis.
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Is in the Hall of Fame with Genesis.
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I love Phil Collins, I hope he can make the induction ceremony.
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I know he's rather I'll it's possible he can, but I love Phil
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Collins and I'm excited to hear some artists reinterpret Phil
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Collins music. Joy Division New Order kind of
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surprised me. I love the band.
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I wasn't 100% sure they could get in.
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They were snubbed last year and I think that the sort of putting
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them in together kind of helps other artists in future years,
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which we'll talk a lot about. I'm thrilled Peter Hook put out
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a statement that he was just honored.
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Obviously, you know, there's going to be a lot of tributes to
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Ian Curtis for Joy Division, but also New Order.
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Tremendously influential, great bands.
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It's it's really quite special that they got it because I
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really wasn't sure they were going to.
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Oh, I mentioned Oasis already. Sade.
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I'm a little surprised, you know, wonderful talent, singular
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and unique, putting kind of like a jazz, samba music into the pop
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lexicon. But the problem with Sade is 1
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real hit album. I don't, I don't know a lot of
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artists that sound like Sade. I think I said to you Melissa,
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like Norah Jones and a few other people, Lisa Loeb maybe a little
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bit. But like, I don't know, people
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are like grafting parts of Sade's, you know, style.
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She hasn't performed much. I know she missed a large part
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of her career on drugs. Nothing personal.
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A lot of people are on drugs. People watching this right now
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are on drugs. I'm on prescription drugs.
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But it just is what it is. I'm very surprised she got in.
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But it's nice that she got in. Be interesting to see if she can
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show up and perform Sade the band.
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But it's named for her. It's it's Sade, Luther Vandross
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from the R&B world, incredible singer, very successful, 8090
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million sales, but like very influential sang on a backup on
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a lot of pop albums you don't remember knowing he was on,
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including Michael Jackson, Tom Petty, you know, Whitney
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Houston, who was his mentor as a singer, like he was, he was a
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studio legend and then he went solo and just has a body of
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work. That's amazing.
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Great voice. Really nice that he got an Adam.
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I mentioned Wu Tang Clan, really cool.
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It will be interesting and hopefully nice to see because Wu
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Tang is in there. Hopefully Latifah and Light will
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get to participate in the rap part of it.
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I hope they have some Spanish artists to celebrate, say Cruz
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or maybe some pop artists to reinterpret her music.
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Graham Parsons it seems at least would partially get like a very
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nice, you know, thing. Norah Jones is the best
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connection. Fiona Apple.
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But Fiona Apple is so much more hard edged and and raw is much
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more like, you know, she's much more like a jazz rocker than
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Sade with a light jazz rocker. You know what I'm saying?
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Or Alicia Keys, who I always thought was pretty bland except
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for a handful of hit songs. I'm not saying she's not
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talented. I just think she's whatever.
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But OK. And then I talked about who got
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snubbed and so let just really quick who got in last year,
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right? This is a precedent that helped
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this year. I think Bad Company, Joe Cocker,
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Soundgarden, you know, Ozzy getting in two years ago and
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being able to be there for it. So like, I think Soundgarden
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getting in was nice. It didn't necessarily help any
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of the, you know, Oasis is a contemporary of White Stripes or
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a little before them. So it's just interesting that
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like White Stripes are in with a career mostly in the 2000s and
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then Oasis gets in really started in 9394.
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I don't even know if you know the story.
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Oasis got signed like on a fluke.
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They went to go play a show in Scotland and they were opening
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for a very popular up and coming band that talent scouts were
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coming to see. And then they saw Oasis and
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that's the band that made it. So it's wild that that happened.
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You know, not quite a. Mozart and a Salieri, but very
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interesting. So let's talk about some bands
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that I think should be in and that should have been in
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already. And I, you know, I'm going to
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continue to beat this drum until I puke.
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Alice In Chains is, you know, in arguably a better band than some
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of the other Seattle bands that are already in to me, they're
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heavy, they're emotional, they have range.
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They're MTV Unplugged is probably the best unplugged
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there is. They had a second career.
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They've sold a lot of records, maybe not the most records
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because they lost out on selling records at the like they didn't
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get the tour enough when they could have probably sold in the
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10s of 1,000,000 more records. But you know an everlasting band
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that has influenced they influenced Metallica, who's in
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the Hall of Fame loaded Reload sound like the way it does
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because of Metallica and Coc and Soundgarden.
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So just weird to me that they haven't even been nominated.
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Kind of weird now just be, I think because Joy Division and
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New Order got in, Let's talk about Danzig and the Misfits.
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And I mentioned them last year and I think even though we're
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getting not a lot of activity from Danzig or the Misfits right
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now, there are no Misfits shows announced for this year yet.
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That doesn't mean there won't be.
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Danzig has some solo stuff coming in some festivals and I
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think that means he's going to book a small tour.
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It is a Danzig anniversary this year.
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Illustrious Bouge is here, Alex is here.
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What's up, what's up, what's up? Tik tokers, hip hoppers,
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non-stop rockers. I love y'all.
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So I think maybe Danzig and Misfits, if that is like Misfits
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Danzig, maybe that puts him over the top because Joy Division,
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New Water got in. I think Danzig should be in the
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Hall of Fame. I think Misfits should be in the
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Hall of Fame shortly. They created a whole sub genre
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of punk. They had an everlasting
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influence. I do think if the 90s Misfits,
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as much as I dislike Michael Graves, is a horrible Proud Boy
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person. Oh boy, I'm getting cancelled
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shows in Europe. I wonder why?
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I wonder why. I think it's interesting that if
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that era of Misfits didn't happen, I don't know that they
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would be a Misfits now. The last few years where we saw
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them, they really haven't even done that.
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Maybe a whole 10 shows tops in two or three years since they
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decided to do the original Misfits comeback.
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So I think there is a swell of popularity.
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The dance agree issues on vinyl that just came out.
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I think it's very possible you could see dancing and Misfits
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get in. OK.
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I'm going to try to pick it up a little now.
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Dio, I talked about this. We just reviewed on the Glacier
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the musical podcast that I'm part of the new Heaven and Hell
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box that Heaven and hell is basically deal with Sabbath
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again. We're not allowed to be called
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Black Sabbath because the plans were already in place for Ozzy
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to get back with Sabbath one more time.
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But I think Dio between Rainbow, his solo career, Black Sabbath,
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he really, it's kind of a terrible omission that he's not
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in the Hall of Fame. I mean, Rainbow is not in the
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Hall of Fame, but like, you know, Deep Purple, Richie
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Blackmore is in with Deep Purple, so maybe there's less
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impetus to put him in. Planet Rock'n'roll is here.
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What's up? What's up?
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So maybe there's just less pressure to put him in.
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But Dio, it's kind of an oversight at this point.
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He needs to be in great singer, influential, charismatic and
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influence many genres of music, not just heavy metal.
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So Tool I think is like the first real modern band of the
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last 30 years that the side Alice In Chains that's a little
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older than them. I think Tool probably should be
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in and could get in in the next few years.
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I think there's a tremendous popularity that Tool continues
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to enjoy. They have stayed out on the road
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much longer than I expected. They are enormously successful
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at touring and making money, which is why they don't stop and
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go make a new record. Although apparently progress is
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being made on at least an EP from Danny Carey, Adam Jones and
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Justin Chancellor. I think Maynard's high profile
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because of Puscifer in a Perfect Circle.
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He's constantly busy and active and he always has something new
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and creative out. I think Tool is probably the
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first band of that alternative rock and metal era that we'll
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probably get it. I know Jane's Addiction is
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already in. Faith No More would be the next
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one up to me. I'm very disappointed about the
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patent. Basically no interest in ever
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reuniting with Faith No More. If I were Faith No More, even
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though this kind of breaks my heart, they should just go get a
24:33
new singer and come back out as Faith No More and even just do
24:36
the hits. I don't care.
24:37
Mike doesn't care. Those guys should be making
24:40
their music they made. I think it sucks AI on on TikTok
24:48
thinks we're talking about 2023 when we're talking about I
24:50
mentioned 2023 once for a second.
24:52
We are talking about the 2026 class of the Rock and Roll Hall
24:55
of Fame inductees. Faith No More even though they
25:01
broke up in 97 and didn't come back till 2008 or 9.
25:06
Absolutely essential, important iconic band has to has to be in
25:11
the Hall of Fame somehow. Pantera Pantera is having a
25:15
renaissance with their new formation of Pantera with Philip
25:18
Anselmo, Zakk Wylde, Charlie Benante of Anthrax and and Rex
25:26
Brown. Pantera is touring the world
25:29
with Metallica. The profile is absolutely
25:31
elevated. They are also been able to
25:34
headline their own tours or Co headline tours and so even do
25:38
arenas, which even, you know, back when they were doing
25:40
arenas, it was for a very brief period of time, so really
25:45
impressive. I think Pantera, if they can get
25:48
over a kind of the stigma of, you know, Phillips past
25:52
mistakes, I think it's possible they could get in.
25:54
I think there's a lot of sentiment that they should be
25:56
in, especially for the brothers. Being passed away now feels like
26:01
they should be in. And in terms of the heavy bands,
26:04
maybe they are the heaviest band that could get in Linkin Park.
26:08
Just seems mind boggling to me that they're not in.
26:11
They are the biggest selling band of the 2000s.
26:15
And Chester died tragically and we're coming up on that
26:18
anniversary, which is very sad for me, but absolutely their
26:23
comeback should be an indication that they are an everlasting
26:26
popular band. That new record was good.
26:29
I liked it. I didn't.
26:30
I definitely didn't hate it. I liked it.
26:32
But they sold out an arena tour all over the world in places the
26:36
original Linkin Park never played.
26:37
Africa, Dubai, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, like absolutely
26:43
sold out arenas everywhere. Real ticket sales, not bots and
26:47
empty seats. Those shows were sold out, and I
26:50
think Emily Armstrong has lived up to the challenge, as hard as
26:53
it was for her System of a Down. So here's another band,
26:58
Humongous especially. They're more popular now than
27:01
they ever were, partially because they were gone for a
27:03
long time. And I think with Rick Rubin
27:05
getting in, you might see the Rick Rubin bands get him to
27:11
stump for them like System of a Down, you know?
27:15
So I think it's very interesting that he's in.
27:17
And so maybe System will get in as a result of Rick Rubin being
27:21
in. Korn is another band celebrated
27:24
30 years the last few years, not quite an arena level band, but
27:31
they are headlining sick New World Las Vegas in a couple of
27:33
weeks that Ghost Cult is covering Keep.
27:35
It's a ghostcalledman.com for the review coverage of that
27:38
coming soon from our team. And yeah, just a huge
27:45
influential man. They were the first new metal
27:47
band by all you know, intents and purposes of the true dawn of
27:51
the genre Korn should be in. Great photo here by Kim Hanson,
27:54
who is also, incidentally, going to cover Sick New World and
27:57
speaking to Kim Hanson. Here's another photo of Kim's
28:00
Deftones. Again, Sick New World, Deftones
28:03
as popular as they ever were. I watched them this time a year
28:07
ago, Headline and arena where they even joked at like 2530
28:12
years ago, they would have a hard time filling up the
28:14
smallest room in the city and they did they did the chase
28:17
center where the Golden State Warriors play.
28:21
So you know, thanks to everybody that's watching on YouTube and
28:24
twitch and Facebook. I appreciate you and y'all on
28:27
the tick of the talk. So Deftones, you know, I think
28:30
it might be a hard sell for some of the older boomerish people in
28:36
the, you know, people in the voting crew, the voting class.
28:43
But like, Deftones is a band that probably, I would say they
28:47
should be getting in soon. It's now 31 years since their
28:50
first release, and they've been a band for 36, seven years.
28:54
And we just had the anniversary of the passing of Chi Chang, the
28:58
original bass player who was a huge fan of Slipknot's, another
29:01
band, maybe next to Metallica, the biggest band in the world in
29:05
terms of heavy music. And again, like they have been
29:11
around, they again, like have their own lifestyle website that
29:14
is bigger than all the other little metal websites combined.
29:18
They have their own festivals. They had their own crews at one
29:21
point. They have their own clothing and
29:22
merch drops constantly. They have spawned several solo
29:26
and other band careers for other people, Joey Jordison's late
29:31
Joey Jordison's other bands and side projects, Corey Taylor's
29:35
solo career and Stone Sour. So kind of mind blowing that
29:40
they haven't even been nominated at least once.
29:42
It's weird actually. But again, Slayer in a Justin
29:47
true world, Slayer would be the next band in after Metallica in
29:50
terms of popularity and influence in thrash metal.
29:55
But you know, will they put Slayer in there?
29:56
So evil and dark. Maybe it's funny and fun they'll
30:00
put them in, but also like I could see that.
30:03
I could see just all the, you know, having to talk about
30:06
serial killers and, and, you know, you know, the World War 2
30:12
Holocaust themes and things like that.
30:14
I was trying to find a polite way to say this without dropping
30:17
the N bomb. Not the one you're thinking, the
30:20
other one. And so yeah, yeah, I'd love to
30:25
see Slayer get in just because it would make people
30:27
uncomfortable and it would be fun.
30:28
But like, you know, maybe not. Maybe it's better that they
30:30
don't get in. Same with Motörhead.
30:32
Motörhead really is an influential band.
30:34
Should have been in a long time ago.
30:36
And we'll start talking about this caliber of bands.
30:38
But Lemmy, absolute icon, Motörhead, absolutely iconic.
30:43
No one. You know, a lot of bands now
30:45
want to sound like them. There's a whole underground of
30:48
bands right now that wish they were Motörhead to varying
30:51
degrees. Blackened Motörhead, thrashy or
30:53
Motörhead, Trusty Motörhead, but Motörhead is Motörhead.
30:58
They play rock'n'roll Smashing Pumpkins, kind of along the same
31:04
lines as a lot of the grunge bands I know.
31:05
They were kind of the next run down, but really they are as
31:09
popular as they have ever been. They've been doing arena tours
31:11
all over the world. They have another bunch of tours
31:14
and festivals lined up soon, and they just keep their star keeps
31:20
growing and growing. It seems like that's a band with
31:23
legs to still grow. I was gifted that.
31:25
Wonderful melancholy in the Infinite Sadness box set last
31:29
year and it really made my whole life.
31:31
It was wonderful. Really reconnected me to the
31:33
band and how great that album was and how defining for a
31:37
generation it was. Cole will have a new album later
31:40
this year. Don't know who else is in the
31:42
band beside Courtney Love, who is also working on her memoir.
31:45
You know, often imitated, never duplicated, overheated.
31:49
I love Cole and Courtney Love, she has a direct influence on
31:52
every grunge band. She was the original singer of
31:55
Faith No More, although she didn't last too long.
31:58
She's much more important to music than you realize, and she
32:01
should be in a right and just world.
32:03
In the Hall of Fame, Cranberries are having kind of a wave of
32:09
resurgence as their legacy albums are getting full reissue
32:12
treatments, including Everybody Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?
32:17
And No Need to Argue. And you know, Dolores had her
32:21
life cut down sadly and tragically.
32:23
But, you know, brilliant, singular, great talent, pop,
32:29
poppy, catchy, wonderful, emotional, all the boxes, you
32:34
know, has four or five albums. She tried to kind of launch a
32:38
solo career. Not sure if they will be top of
32:43
mind to get in but they surely should be considered.
32:47
A lot of Cranberries music is used in movies and television
32:49
that I think people don't realize.
32:51
Queens of the Stone Age is a band maybe on the next run
32:55
rundown from the last 25 years, obviously Josh Ham again.
32:58
Maybe Caius and Queens of the Stone Age get in together.
33:01
That would be super awkward for some of those guys.
33:05
I think it'd be interesting and fun.
33:06
You know, there's a lot of like fake Internet stories about
33:08
Caius reuniting. It's not happening, but I think
33:13
Josh has a lot of, generally speaking, goodwill.
33:15
Not the best guy battling his demons, battling illnesses, but
33:19
hopefully he's kicked it all and they're going to come back on
33:23
tour. And I'd love to see Queens of
33:24
the Stone Age get it. They absolutely deserve to be
33:27
in. I know they've got maybe 5 or 6
33:30
albums in 25 years, so or 27 or 28 years.
33:35
It's almost 30 years as a band since Kaia's broke up, so Queens
33:38
would be interesting to see if they got in Megadeth.
33:42
I would love for Dave Mustang to get in the Rock and Roll Hall of
33:44
Fame. I think Slayer probably can't
33:47
get in Megadeth. Maybe could get in as the more
33:49
technical equivalent to Metallica.
33:52
I think it would be very gratifying for Dave to get in
33:55
and get to be there. He should have been there for
33:58
Metallica. He was intended to be inducted.
34:00
He declined to come. He was invited.
34:07
What can you do? I love Megadeth, I hope to see
34:10
them on tour with Iron Maiden and I'd love to see them get in.
34:15
Speaking of my other favorite thrash metal band and really my
34:17
one of my second favorite thrash metal band ever is Anthrax.
34:21
I'm from the Bronx, NY. I have Anthrax patch on my my
34:25
battle vest. What's up Rob Rage and Michael
34:28
Licious on TikTok. I'd love to see Anthrax get in
34:31
the Hall of Fame. 2 singers, three different, you know,
34:37
sounds and genre changes in their career at least.
34:41
Much more than just a metal band, not a set, you know, not
34:44
much more than just a satanic buffoonery and swords and
34:48
sorcery. Really topical, interesting,
34:50
diverse band. And obviously clearly, you know,
34:56
bring the Noise and I'm the Man are tremendous movements in
35:03
music and really what for better or worse invented rap metal.
35:06
Ruston Uncle Joram says Rust in Peace is the perfect album.
35:09
It is the perfect album. My other podcast, Glacially
35:12
Musical, which you can look up Glacial Glacial Musical on
35:16
YouTube. We just reviewed the first four
35:18
Megadeth records and we hit on Rust in Peace as a 9:50 perfect
35:23
album. Mostly 3/2 of the three of us on
35:25
the podcast said it was a perfect album.
35:29
And then the other guy anyway, who else do I have here?
35:34
Lamb of God? I think in terms of the modern
35:36
bands, Gojira might be a little ahead of them because of the
35:38
Olympics thing. And I don't think Lamb of God
35:41
could get in before, let's say, a Pantera could get in.
35:43
But I think there's a lot of tremendous respect for Lamb of
35:46
God. And in a weird bizarre way,
35:49
because of Randy's incarceration and the like, how big that was
35:53
in the scene for him to come home and be acquitted of murder
35:57
in Czech Republic. Maybe that has the profile of
36:00
Lamb of God big, but they are coming off another incredible
36:04
album. 7 albums in 30 years as a band plus one album is Burned
36:09
the Priest. Plus the covers album is Burned
36:10
the Priest. But Lamb of God, really the
36:14
consummate modern metal band of the last 20 years for sure,
36:19
along with Mastodon. So here's Gojira again.
36:22
The Olympics has raised their profile.
36:23
I think when Gojira drops this next record, I could see them
36:27
headlining arenas and having like all the fire and
36:30
everything, the smoke and all the things.
36:34
They're bigger still in Europe than America, but they're
36:36
certainly getting huge here. Now.
36:40
Type O Negative is a band I did not talk about, but I have Type
36:42
O Negative on the brain. It is the anniversary of Pete's
36:46
death and I feel like Type O Negative did not get enough of
36:50
their due. They definitely sold a lot of
36:52
records. At one point Type O Negative was
36:54
the biggest selling band on Roadrunner, topped later on by
36:58
Slipknot in 1999, although not initially, maybe it took a
37:01
couple of years and then topped again by unfortunately,
37:03
Nickelback. But Type O Negative really put
37:06
Roadrunner. Maybe didn't put them on the
37:08
map, but it absolutely established them as a force to
37:11
be reckoned with in the music industry.
37:13
And bands they like those bands that came out after Type Type O
37:17
Negative, you know, or alongside of them, Life of Agony,
37:22
Sepultura, who were a little before them.
37:24
But Machine Head, Fear Factory, these bands or all given a big
37:29
berth because Type O Negative kicked the door in with Peter's
37:32
especially large boots. And you'll be looking out for a
37:35
Type O Negative live album which is being mixed right now, as
37:39
well as perhaps a tribute concert to Peter at some point
37:43
with the release of that album. Living Color is a band a lot of
37:46
people don't talk enough about. I love Living Color, they've
37:49
been around since the mid 80s, started putting out music with
37:52
80 Eights debut and they really are an unfucked with a bull
37:59
force. I would really love to see them
38:01
get in. It would be really special for
38:03
me as a long time fan. There are probably few singers
38:07
as good as Corey Glover in the whole planet.
38:09
Just seriously. And you can kind of say that
38:12
about everybody in that band. Rammstein is a band.
38:15
I think their popularity is a little sneaky.
38:18
They are hugely popular. Obviously, they're like in
38:21
Europe, they have like collaborations with the fashion
38:24
brand Balenciaga for like $1000, Fanny packs and shoes.
38:28
I think I'm a little surprised at Till Lindemann's solo career
38:32
and how big it's become and how like grandiose he's getting with
38:37
his own festival now just announced.
38:38
So I think Rammstein's kind of got like a outside chance of
38:42
getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame someday.
38:44
The spectacle, the thing they built, the singularity of the
38:47
Dutch Newhart style of music. I think they can claim all that,
38:53
at least as leaders and certainly the most popular band.
38:56
STP. The mind boggles.
38:58
Similar to Pumpkins and Chains. How are they not?
39:00
How are they not even nominated yet to get in?
39:03
That's seems mean. I know Weiland is dead.
39:06
They are a killer band with their current singer Jeff Gutt
39:08
who does a hell of a Weiland. They were original music with
39:11
Jeff is great. I hope they will come out with a
39:13
new full-fledged album but seems like there's a lot of money in
39:16
playing the hits for them. I saw them do Purple about a
39:19
year and a half ago. Was unbelievable.
39:21
It's my favorite STP record is Purple Bjork.
39:24
Bjork is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
39:26
It's kind of weird. She should be in.
39:28
She is a brilliant talent. I know she hasn't done as much
39:32
and maybe some of the like, similar to Mike Patton, like all
39:36
of her wide-ranging stuff has kind of shrunk in recent times.
39:40
And for her political activism and films and things like that
39:44
have taken equal standing to her music.
39:46
But Bjork is one of the most original and singular artists
39:49
we've ever had, and she absolutely should be in.
39:52
It's weird that she's not in again.
39:54
I'm going to beat the drum for Thin Lizzie, one of my favorite
39:58
bands, which easily should be talked alongside of Sabbath,
40:01
Zeppelin, you know, Pink Floyd, Bloister Cults, all the
40:05
progressive rock bands. And they just don't get their
40:08
due because they never broke in America.
40:09
But they're much more than the greatest hits that they have,
40:11
much more than The Boys Are Back in Town and Jailbreak.
40:14
They have so many great songs and whiskey in the jar.
40:17
Pixies. Pixies got to get in at some
40:20
point I think for alternative rock.
40:22
I was a Pixies fan in high school.
40:24
I had the Surfer Rosa and Doolittle tape and I had them
40:29
both dubbed on a tape on 120 minute Denon tape that I used to
40:34
play in my auto reverse cassette player.
40:36
And Pixies are just an all time great band.
40:38
It'd be interesting to see them have to reunite on stage
40:40
together to put Kim and Frank, you know, and and Frank there,
40:46
Black Frank there, Frank Black black Francis, whatever he calls
40:49
himself now. But yeah, should be in talking
40:51
about some punks L sevens another band again I talked
40:54
about last year I really love. Really should get a lot more
40:57
credit alongside a whole and Bikini Kill.
41:01
Sublime with a brand new album coming out with Jacob Noel,
41:05
Sublime feels like a band that is much deeper than just a good
41:10
time Scott punk pop band that we know.
41:14
I think they could get in someday.
41:17
Here is Creed. Don't laugh.
41:19
I think Creed will get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in
41:21
about 5 years. They are also a 2000s band or 99
41:25
to 2000s band and the King of the Mohame.
41:30
And I think they should probably get it.
41:32
And I got to meet Scott Snap and he's really nice and cool.
41:35
I interviewed Tramonti a few times, including for his Frank
41:38
Sinatra music record and performance, and love those
41:42
guys. But yeah, Creed probably should
41:43
get it. Killing Joke again, if Joy
41:48
Division and New Order got in, maybe Killing Joke can get in.
41:51
I don't know, but they should. I shot this photo.
41:54
This is a pretty cool photo. I'm very proud of Ministry.
41:58
Maybe again, too extreme drugs, sex rock'n'roll, maybe too much
42:02
like Slayer, too evil to get in. But I'd love to see Ministry get
42:06
in. It would be a tremendous
42:08
validation. And you know, Al would just be
42:10
like middle fingers up the hell with this.
42:13
But I think it'd be fun if you got to get in Bad Religion.
42:18
We recently covered this is a shot by Omar Kordy from the
42:22
Brooklyn Bridge as a backdrop. Bad Religion is the
42:25
quintessential to me American punk band after the Ramones and
42:29
I really think they should be in again.
42:32
Bikini Kill. Same story as L7 and whole
42:35
really overlooked and ought to be in Oh, here's Bad Religion.
42:39
Oh, I think the other picture was Devo.
42:41
I'm sorry, I'm I'm getting tired and I had two coffees today and
42:44
I'm still tired. Suicidal.
42:46
My heart says yes, probably not, but you know the name.
42:49
Suicidal is probably the thing that keeps them out.
42:51
But I dearly love Suicidal Tendencies.
42:54
Influential for both punk and thrash metal.
43:01
Melvin's Sorry, no effects. I think now that they're broken
43:07
up and retired and that documentary came out which
43:09
hasn't kind of hit streaming yet, but I'm looking forward to
43:12
it. I think no effects probably can
43:15
get in eventually. Same can be said for Blink 182
43:20
who ripped off no effects. I wouldn't be surprised if Blink
43:24
182 gets it next year. I really wouldn't.
43:28
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised.
43:31
I don't love them but I think they will get in.
43:34
Fishbone is a band. Considering the Red Hot Chili
43:37
Peppers and Jane's Addiction are in, Fishbone would be the third
43:40
of that alternative rock genre genre blending type of band.
43:44
We have a great interview on our YouTube channel with my co-owner
43:48
Omar Cordy and Angela Moore. Fishbone.
43:50
Fishbone new like reimagine new album, their re release of one
43:55
of their classic albums alongside of a whole album of
43:58
covers by contemporary punks. Really great and that's the
44:03
show. Tell me in the comments Three
44:05
Dog Night. I feel like they had some big
44:08
hits. Maybe they're too small a band
44:11
to get in by themselves, you know thanks back I appreciate
44:18
you coming in who else should get in drop a comment if you're
44:20
watching this on the replay or listening to the podcast version
44:23
of this, drop a comment and the Grand Funk had millions and
44:27
millions of album sales. I just don't know that they have
44:30
the like clout, like the fan love Grand Funk.
44:39
It's interesting. My podcast we did like 6 Grand
44:41
Funk records as a review and they have hits and I wasn't
44:46
quite sure why they're those records sold tons of platinum
44:51
albums because they were like very mid to be honest, except
44:55
for the big hits. But you know, great, great band.
44:58
Small, small faces. Is that who you're asking about?
45:04
I don't know, man. I don't know.
45:07
Grand Funk maybe. I mean, I didn't think Triumph
45:11
should be on tour, touring arenas in giant theaters right
45:14
now. I Triumph's a fine band.
45:16
I enjoy some of their songs. They are not like Rush.
45:19
Tower of Power should definitely be in.
45:22
Tower of Power should be in. That's a great one.
45:25
You know, Triumph, good band, but like are there are other
45:29
Canadian bands that are better than them and bigger than them
45:31
that are not in? So you know, just curious.
45:35
I'd like to see some more of the thrash bands get in.
45:38
I'd love to see a Mastodon get in.
45:40
I'd love to see a Lamb of God and a Gojira get in someday from
45:42
this era of music. And then really I think it's a
45:45
little too soon for your metal core bands.
45:47
I get asked all the time about Kill Switch and you know that
45:51
Ilka bands and I just think it's a little too soon for them to
45:55
get in, but it is 25 years after a lot of them have come out.
45:58
Now on Earth goes back to the late 90s.
46:02
Hatebreed would be an interesting band if they got on
46:05
the ballot because they kind of popularized sort of metallic
46:08
hardcore and metal core and just basically took the Slayer model
46:12
with a little better singing. You know, I respect Josh that
46:16
I'm going to Milwaukee Metal Fest.
46:17
So if you're out there, look for me and say what's up.
46:19
Give me a crisp high 5. But Nugent, man, Uncle Jorums, I
46:25
fucking can't do Ted Nugent, bro.
46:27
He's a pedo and he's a racist. I have nothing good this.
46:31
Was he a great guitar player? Sure.
46:37
Oh, OK. Yeah.
46:39
I mean, beat all night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:42
OK. Sorry.
46:44
Yeah. They sold millions of records,
46:45
that's true. But again, supposedly, according
46:47
to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, record sales are not a
46:50
defining factor of getting in. Look, Mariah Carey is the
46:53
biggest selling female artist of all time and she did not get in
46:56
yet. Lauryn Hill has one huge banger
46:59
album. Hey, from London, Ian Holmes,
47:02
thank you for being here. You know, Lauryn Hill has one
47:07
huge banger album as a solo artist and one huge banger album
47:10
with The Fugees and nothing else except like a bad reputation in
47:14
the industry. So I mean, I think she's
47:16
brilliant, but like, that's probably what's going to keep
47:18
her out. Mariah should probably get in at
47:20
some point. She's too big and too talent.
47:22
She's very talented. I just don't think people like
47:25
her. She's not likable.
47:26
I guess that's a it is a popularity contest.
47:28
I mean, I can't I can't do Nugent though.
47:31
I'm sorry. I saw Tool cover stranglehold
47:34
with buzz from the Melvins. That's about the best Ted Nugent
47:37
memory I've ever had, you know, And in terms of those 90s bands
47:42
that really hit home for me, and it took a long time for, you
47:45
know, Rage to get in and they weren't going to accept it, you
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know? So Sound Gardens in, you know, I
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got to believe some more metal bands can get in someday.
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Alice In Chains got and Alice In Chains STP got to be next.
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And then I think because of Little Feat, man, I love Little
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Feat is probably one of the most underrated bands of all time.
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And again then Lizzy is not in from that era.
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I think the Doobies are in. So it's interesting that Little
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Feat is not in because I would consider them a contemporary.
48:20
I love Lowell George also too short a career, but they have
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continued on without Lowell Mountain probably should be in,
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dude. They were maybe even arguably
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one of the first heavy metal bands, you know?
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And you know, W is an incredible guitar player and really like
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much. I'd rather like listen to Leslie
48:40
West today than Clapton. I grew up on Clapton.
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I saw him in concert. He does nothing for me
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personally. Love to see Mountain get in.
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If anybody else has got a few more, I'll hang on a few more
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minutes. It is 1230 Pacific in California
48:54
and I need to get on with the end of my night.
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But if there's anybody else you think should be in that is not
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in, drop a comment. I will answer back after.
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Again, thanks for watching. We had a very nice viewership
49:05
considering this was done late at night.
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I'll be back on maybe tomorrow with another live stream.
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I have AI, have a top secret mission, and then I'm going to
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see Behemoth and D Aside and Rod in Christ and Immolation at the
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Regency Ballroom here in San Francisco.
49:25
Despite my disdain for the sound of that place, I will see many
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folks from the city who love metal.
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Yeah, I mean, mountain, arguably, arguably.
49:37
I think I think Cream with Politician to me is like the
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first song that you could call metal.
49:46
And then I mean, again, I know black.
49:48
I know. Iommi continues to say we are
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not metal, but like, it's metal. You can, you know.
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Hey, Chucky, what up, brother? Always great to see you.
49:57
Chucky Brown. Keep me posted on what you got
49:59
going on. Chucky.
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I always want to promote and help you, you know, DM me,
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e-mail me. Whatever you got to do, bro, I
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got you, we got you. Whatever you got going on in the
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city. Omar is still out there.
50:10
I'm coming through hopefully later this year or, or if not,
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sometime next year. But like, I really appreciate
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you, Chuck. You're one of the real ones.
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But yeah, man, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame made and made it.
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Finally. Grew up with a lot of music.
50:25
Dude same same. I was born a little too late to
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see some of my heroes but I did see a lot of cool bands in the
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80s. If you're new here I always say
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please like and subscribe. That helps us.
50:36
And again if you didn't like what you saw you disagree with
50:39
me. Also comment because I read all
50:41
of them and I comment on all of them and I don't mind getting
50:45
some heat and some smoke. It helps me become better.
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I'm Keithy at ghostcultmag.com. We'll be back tomorrow.
50:53
Check out ghostcultmag.com for all your heavy metal, rock and
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And I'm out. See you tomorrow.
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It is tomorrow. See you later.
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Peace.