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Drive Thru News #56: Roadblocks Ahead: Tariffs & the Automotive Industry · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Hi, oh, he's got his deep voice on today.
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Hello.
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All right, Brad, kick us off and
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welcome to Drive-through episode number 56.
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This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive motorsport
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and entertaining car adjacent news.
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Now let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
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I don't know if this is gonna be entertaining or not.
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We have such a somber topic to talk about, but it is at the top of everybody's mind.
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Is it top of mind?
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Somebody's entertained by this.
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What could it be?
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I don't know anybody that isn't affected by this, so, so what Now
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we're gonna talk about tariffs.
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Tariff play.
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More specifically, the trouble with tariffs.
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The trouble they're causing us.
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Isn't there a song The Trouble Gets Me Down or something?
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I thought it was Bridge Over Troubled Waters.
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No, there's that, but there's another one.
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The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round and round and round.
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I mean, if you listen to Clarkson, what is that song?
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The Thrill is Gone.
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Right?
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He keeps saying he's so done with cars and he is done with
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cars and he's done with cars.
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He's been saying that for how many seasons now.
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I know, but there is a resurgence coming, right?
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I hear the.
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Hammond and May are getting back together to do some stuff.
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Oh yeah.
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It already premiered.
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Oh, excellent.
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Well, we'll talk about that next month because this time we're gonna
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talk about other buffoons and clowns.
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I've been directly affected by the tariffs and duties basically on Canada.
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I bought a pair of sweatpants from a company in Canada.
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I didn't realize they were in Canada, and they shipped them to me and they arrived.
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But UPS would not give them to me unless I paid $70 in duty tax.
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Holy crap.
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So I said, you can go pound sand and you can leave and go and take
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them and send them back to Canada.
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'cause I, I don't fucking want 'em.
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I'm not paying more than I paid for the pants in duties.
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Uh, and then I immediately got on the chat with the company because
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they don't have a, a telephone.
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They said, oh no, no, no.
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You're not supposed to pay those.
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You know, I'm glad you didn't.
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You know they're gonna send the pants back to us if you still want them.
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We'll send 'em back out, whatever they receive the pants.
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They allegedly paid the duties.
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They sent them back to me.
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I proceed to get a bill from UPS for $70 after I received the pants
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and it was you mother farmers.
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I got back on the horn with the company and I said, Hey, what's going on here?
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They said, oh, send us the bill, we'll pay it.
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And then they did.
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They honored it.
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You know, they, they told me they were gonna pay it and they paid it.
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You were the last person they honored it for though.
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Probably.
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And I will not buy anything from them for the next four years because
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until all this crap is fixed.
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Let me ask you, was that a direct purchase with a Canadian company
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or did you go through like Amazon or one of the other online?
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Oh no, it was direct through their website.
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Okay.
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'cause I was getting a little skid, you know, how I would order stuff
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from Amazon and don't think about it.
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We don't really know where it's coming from.
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Yeah, man.
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With the amount of brown boxes that show up on people's porches,
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can you imagine the bills?
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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You know, this came directly.
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I, I purchased it directly through their website.
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It was not Amazon or anything.
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Everything you order on Amazon comes from China.
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So what are people's bills looking like with 145?
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Well, I did notice some things on Amazon where it was like, I've
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ordered this before and now it's $200.
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Like, what happened?
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How is that even possible?
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Right.
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And I, and I go, oh yeah, tariff.
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I thought you were gonna tell me 'cause it was coming from Canada.
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What they were doing was shipping your sweatpants inside of a Chrysler Pacifica.
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Like that was the box.
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And then now you were stuck having to pay for a $45,000 van.
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No, no, no.
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What they did is they shipped the material.
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So they just shipped the yarn and a needle and thread.
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And I had to, I had to create my own sweatpants, but they
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gave me just enough material to make them to what I had ordered.
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So that's unreal.
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So I thought we could get away from it.
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I thought we could avoid talking about it, but this is all the news has been
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since April the third is tariffs.
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Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs.
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And obviously the automotive market is gonna be at the middle of that because
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are there any cars actually built in the United States anymore or are there
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parts built in the United States anymore?
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Right.
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And so this causes a huge, huge problems for those that are not up to speed.
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Let's do everything and get you up to speed.
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On tariffs.
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That's a six letter word.
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They must be driving Dodge Darts.
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No, there's plenty of old Dodge Darts left to go around
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'cause they're not up to speed.
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Uh uh uh uh.
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So if you missed Liberation Day, our president unveiled a sweeping 25% tariff
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on any car or part that isn't made in the United States regardless of its origin.
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So obviously this sense ripples through our community and many
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of the other communities as well.
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And so the first knee-jerk response to this was a bunch of
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letters to the government, please.
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Please don't do this to us, right, Lisa?
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I don't want some more.
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Do people actually read these letters that companies send?
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I mean, it's wonderful if you get a letter from Stellantis on Stellantis letterhead.
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That's something that, uh, that an intern wrote.
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Yeah.
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With chat, GPT, another intern read it and then filed it into circular repository.
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I mean, come on.
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Sounds like this is just kind of payback for the automotive
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bailout that happened years ago.
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I hadn't thought about that.
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But this is across the board.
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Remember, the tariffs are on everything, not just cars.
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So we're being very hypersensitive here.
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But with good reason.
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And you know, they should get very exact with words because words matter.
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And words matter only if you read them, legally speaking
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words matter very strongly.
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And to say anything is made in America in terms of cars is wildly inaccurate because
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there's no car that's made in America.
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'cause made in would presume that a hundred percent of the item is made in
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that country in which that is false.
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Nothing is made in the USA in terms of the cars.
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A hundred percent.
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Not even the Grand Tesla who claims that he is, that's not even a
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hundred percent made in America.
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They are assembled in America.
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Right.
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And therefore there are parts from other countries, which means.
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Your car price.
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Even an American car is going to go up because it's made of components
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that are going to be tariffed.
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But if you proclaim eminent domain on our north and southern
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neighbors, then it's America, right?
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Because Chryslers are being built in Canada and Fords
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are being built in Mexico.
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So it's just an annexation of all of the continent that way.
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It's made in America.
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You see it's made in North America.
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Well, there you go.
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There could be a legal loophole there.
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Does it have to be made in the United States?
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Because even South America is an America.
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It's not America, but it's an America.
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You gotta have the right, the proper inflection on that.
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America, you, you gotta get the Bama in there, the America,
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all that to say there are.
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Plant closures, there are layoffs.
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There are cars sitting at rail stations, at border crossings, at shipping depots.
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Everything's frozen.
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There are countless car manufacturers that have said, all right, America,
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let's see how this plays out.
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Audi's not bringing cars.
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Volkswagen stopped.
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Jaguar, you name it, no cars are moving.
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But then at the same time.
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You hear the reports of people like sales are climbing 'cause everyone's scrambling.
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'cause they did delay the tariffs on automotive.
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Everyone's like scrambling to buy a new car before it costs more.
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I feel like that's a marketing tactic too.
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Exactly.
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Stores closing soon.
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This is the last one.
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This is the last one we have.
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There's a guys about to buy it, you know he is right in the back room.
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I just got a call 20 minutes ago.
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They're on their way to see it.
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Right.
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Gimme a break.
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We'll never have another 2016 Dodge Dart.
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Yeah, that's right.
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And that's like the furniture store here in town that's been
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closing for the last five years.
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It's constantly a liquidation sale.
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I'm like.
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Just go outta business already.
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Nobody wants your furniture.
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It's like KISS has been on their, oh my God.
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Farewell tour for the last 25 years.
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25 years.
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I thought it was like 45 years at this point.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They started on their farewell tour and it's just, it's perpetually going.
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And right along with this, I heard a good one the other day.
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We had a meeting and one of the guys was saying that he was shopping for a new car.
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And I'm thinking to myself, man, this has gotta be the worst
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time to be buying a new car.
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And it's the typical new dad, new kid, gotta buy the big vehicle.
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Gotta be safe.
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You know, the whole excuses that we make for buying like a suburban
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or an expedition or whatever, the biggest land yacht we can find.
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And I was like, okay, fine.
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I'm just going along with this story.
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I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Get to the point.
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Much like everybody's saying right now, you won't believe this.
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And he goes, I used to sell cars when I was younger, you know, he was getting,
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you know, into a sales position.
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And he goes, I know all the tricks to Tanya's point.
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You know, I got a guy outta the line and they're coming later and
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blah, blah, blah, this bullshit.
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And he goes, what I wasn't ready for was.
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What the dealer was doing to the destination fees and the markups.
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They were marking up cars that are sitting on the lot.
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Hell, hell yeah.
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As tariff vehicles.
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Hell yeah.
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He told the guy straight up, this car is here.
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It was built a year ago.
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Hell yeah.
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How can you hit me with tariffs?
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It's like, makes no sense.
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So the dealerships have already started this.
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Gaming of the system and gouging of the consumer.
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And I'm like, unless you need a car right now, don't buy one.
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I don't believe that the dealerships are such standup guys.
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I am throwing a red flag on the play that I can't, I don't believe it inconceivable.
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I've never met a dealer that was not just a, a standup citizen.
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I bet you Chuck La Duck's not doing that.
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Oh, really?
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Well, let me read you this headline for the Wall Street
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Journal, Volkswagen to introduce.
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Import fees on tariff hit cars?
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No, actually I think they are being standup in that case.
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'cause they're literally calling out the line item.
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That's the tariff portion of the cost of their car and they're going import fee.
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Boom.
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Here's what it is, people black and white.
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This is why the car costs more this line.
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It's not the $1,500 destination charge.
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If you're buying a car that was built in Detroit and you know you're in
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Detroit, it's, it's not the $1,500 destination you're assembled in Detroit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Imported from Detroit.
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Isn't that what Chrysler was marketing, you know, years ago.
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I really love the tagline here from Volkswagen of America.
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We want to be very transparent about navigating through
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this time of uncertainty.
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We wanna be very transparent that we're gouging you every time you buy a car.
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So we're gonna add more fees on top of the tariffs, on top of our already bogus fees.
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To Brad's point that we put on these cars, the way I interpreted the article
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is that the import fee is the tariff.
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So import fee on tariff hit cars.
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'cause Volkswagen does have a plant in the United States.
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So they can sell you a car that was assembled in the United States that
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shouldn't be subject to that tariff.
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Which car is that?
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Because they stopped making the rental Passat two years ago.
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So what are they building here in the United States?
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The plant's still open in Tennessee.
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Yeah, the door's open and closed.
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But what's coming out of them?
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I wheels couldn't tell you 'cause I haven't looked.
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I don't know, honestly, I can't tell you what any plant.
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I didn't know that the Chrysler Pacifica wasn't made in the United States.
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It was made in Canada.
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Well, I think the Silverados are made in Canada.
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I don't think the Silverados and like the Yeah, I read that too.
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The Sierras are made here, so I mean that's gonna drive their prices up.
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And like Eric was saying, what is the, the F-150 Maiden Mexico.
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Mexico.
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A lot of this Mexico stuff comes from Mexico.
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Mexico, yeah.
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Mexico in In Mexico.
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Yeah.
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Hey, if it's Baja California, does it count?
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That's still America according to the interwebs.
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All knowing this, the Atlas Atlas cross sport in the ID four.
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Supposed to be made there, assembled there.
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Okay.
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Sure.
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And, and in Chattahoochee Chattahoochee.
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So speaking of Volkswagen, we'll continue this Winkleman.
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The CEO of Lamborghini is gonna solve all the problems.
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He has a plan.
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They're working on different scenarios.
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They're gonna figure out a way to continue to cater to their best market, the United
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States, selling Lamborghinis, because that's what people are doing right now.
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We're on the brink of a recession, quasi depression.
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We're gonna all run out, buy Lamborghinis.
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That's what's important.
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Well, when we all start our OnlyFans and YouTube careers, we're gonna have,
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we're gonna be flush with cash and we're gonna go out and we're gonna buy
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all these, whatever the SUV is, the Uranus, the Uras, sorry, the, the Uras.
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'cause that's all those kids buy is that stupid thing.
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They're talking about sticker price increases of three grand to
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12 grand, depending on the model.
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But when you're paying a quarter million dollars for a car, if you're
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in that tax bracket, who cares?
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What do you care about?
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Three grand.
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You don't, and since we're still talking about Volkswagen and Porsche
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stuff, I was talking to Tanya earlier.
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Do you know what the cost of the base model nine 11 is right now?
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Brad, have you ever looked this up?
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Like 125?
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130 grand, isn't it?
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Yeah, it's in insane.
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Insane.
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When we were growing up, like in the nineties with the 9,
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9 6, it was like 65 grand.
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Yeah.
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And we were like, oh my God, that's so expensive.
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Yeah.
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I used to play on their website all day long and build all these
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custom builds and everything.
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It was like 65 70 grand for a brand new nine 11, and now it's almost
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double that for a base model.
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The turbos and the GT threes, they're all 200 to two 50.
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It's just absolutely insane.
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So again, if you're in that tax bracket, you can afford those kinds of cars,
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the Bentleys and all that other stuff.
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Then with all the financing and everything in play, does it
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really matter Where it hurts?
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Is the average consumer.
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Right now, as we've been saying, what do you buy for $50,000?
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You know, I jumped over to Honda's website just to see if their prices
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had gone up and you know, you can still buy a Civic for 24 grand.
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That's the base model.
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And the touring is in the thirties, so it's like, okay,
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nothing's changed there yet.
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I'm just looking at their website, which they don't have
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to update that anytime soon.
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So when you go to the dealership, there might be a little sticker shock there.
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Hyundai's next.
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Oh yeah.
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We're solving the world's problems here.
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Right?
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So Hyundai has said they're not gonna raise their prices.
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They're just gonna take away everything else.
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If you bought a Hyundai because of its stellar maintenance package and
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you know, free this and free that, and all those wonderful things, they
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still have a really good warranty.
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Although I fear that that's gonna be subject to change.
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The CEO Jose Munoz has said they're taking away the free maintenance and all the
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other stuff that you get as a perk for owning a Hyundai or a Kia or a Genesis or
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any of those cars that are in that family.
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So they're not gonna raise the prices, but now your oil change is $900.
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Well, 'cause they have to import the oil, you know, and that
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brings up a really good point.
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What is oil and gas gonna cost?
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Because that's not made in the United States either.
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That's too complicated.
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If anybody would know, it would be Tanya.
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I would love a lesson on this that someone who worked for previously,
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a petroleum company, big oil, she worked in big oil sounds, so Texas.
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Big Earl.
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She was t, she was a Texas girl.
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Big daddy runs big oil.
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Big earl,
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big Earl's, big oil.
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She's like, Nope, I ain't giving you that satisfaction.
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She's, I am not taking that bait.
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My soapbox has been put away.
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I gotta get to bed tonight.
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Alright, so.
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There's still EV mandates out there, which are in the middle of all this,
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and where the EV batteries and all that wonderful unicorn fart power
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that we're getting coming from.
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We're not strip mining.
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Well, we are, but we're not strip mining the United States
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for all the precious metals.
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We're gonna go plunder other countries for that kind of stuff.
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In the midst of all this, remember even hybrids were supposed to
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be banned in like the next five years because the evil ice motors.
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So now they're like, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a second.
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Wait a second.
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Can we get away with smaller batteries and like spread the love and maybe do
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some hybridization of vehicles now?
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So they've said 2035, which I think this is gonna continue to walk backwards
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as we've talked about in the past where hybrid really was the answer.
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And we're gonna talk as we go along here a little bit more about manufacturers
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that have said, yeah, we're just gonna go back to what we were building before.
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Have a nice day guys.
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Let us know when you're done playing the hokey pokey and make sure
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you say that this is in the uk.
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I mean, this wasn't I, I don't think eliminating hybrids by whatever time
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period was something in the us was it?
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Well, it wasn't until we stopped participating in whatever it was, the
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Paris Accord and all that other stuff.
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Weren't we subject to the same rules as everybody else?
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Yeah, I don't think so.
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I don't remember hybrids being on the chopping block.
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Not in this country.
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Well, diesel certainly were.
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To add more pain and misery to the conversation.
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Do you know what the average car cost is right now?
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It has jumped dramatically, and I mean, we've talked about in previous episodes
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the under 50 K millennial gray car.
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That's not even doable right now.
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The average cost of a car is $48,000, starting price
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with 20% a PR on top of that.
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Yeah.
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Would you take out an 84 month loan at 20%?
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No, no.
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Let's do the rough math.
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$48,000 car plus, let's use Volkswagen's terms import fees,
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and then 20% a PR for seven years.
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How much is that?
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You know, let's say Ford Mach E gonna cost at the end of a hundred grand, right?
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A lot of money, right?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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That's what I, I keep saying, if you don't have to buy a new car right
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now, if you absolutely don't have to.
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Don't do it.
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The only reason you'd have to buy a new car is your car is totaled because, just
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because it needs some routine maintenance.
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Oh, the shocks, the bang, the bank fix it.
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'cause it's going to be cheaper even if you can't do the work yourself to
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pay a couple grand at the mechanic to fix it versus going out and
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spending $80,000 on something else.
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Yeah, but you don't even need a new car.
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Like Yeah, but the used car market, it's gonna become like the Covid.
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I know what I got 75,000 for this 200,000 mile rust clunker.
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That's true.
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But it's still, it's still not gonna be a brand new, I mean, it's still
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not a, a new car, I guess it's who do you want to give your money to?
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Cecil b Beauford or, you know, uncle Sam, they're gonna get it one way or the other.
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That's the problem.
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It doesn't matter which way you turn around.
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No.
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You know who's gonna get it.
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We're all gonna get it as we're bent over the, the steering
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wheel of our brand new car.
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Oh God.
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Things are out of control.
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On every tangent of this conversation, there is no good solution.
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Jalopnik wrote an article that was titled What?
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Foreign Cars will Still Be Worth It after the Tariff Price Hikes.
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A lot of them.
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Well, that's if you're okay with today's design language aesthetic, the
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fact that there's no buttons in any cars anymore, all that kind of stuff.
19:12
Here's the thing.
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Board website, I don't want anything on your website.
19:16
The only thing that would be attractive is the Mustang.
19:19
So you bring up a very, very valid point because I've been thinking
19:23
about this quite a bit, and I'm sorry.
19:25
Before you get to that Thought Chevy's website, I'll be god damned.
19:29
I'm buying a Malibu.
19:31
I'm gonna buy that tariff European car.
19:34
Oh, here we go again.
19:36
Oh, those cars are terrible.
19:37
So I did, I gave it a lot of thought.
19:39
If I was forced to buy something and I'm not talking about for the family or
19:43
whatever, if, if it was just me going to work and I have to buy a car new and I
19:48
have no other option, I don't have the money to buy used, I can finance it.
19:53
Get away with it.
19:53
I actually kept landing on the Mustang.
19:56
It just made sense.
19:58
It was like, get it with a manual if you want.
20:00
Yeah, the V eight or the four cylinder, you got some options there.
20:04
The warranty, the dealership network, blah, blah, blah.
20:07
Technically made in us.
20:09
I've got everyone's page open at the moment.
20:12
Chevy Garbage.
20:14
The Malibu, I'm sorry.
20:16
No, the Equinox, the Blazer, the Silverado.
20:19
None of this Buick.
20:22
No.
20:22
I mean there was never anything interesting there, so no.
20:24
Well, Buick's gonna be in trouble here because we export a lot of Buick to China.
20:29
So how's that gonna work?
20:31
They're gonna say BYD.
20:32
Bye.
20:33
Yeah, that's very true.
20:34
So it would come down to probably Cadillac getting something like a, do
20:40
they even still make a Black Hawk ct?
20:42
Whatever they make the CT vibe.
20:44
Black wing, black Wing.
20:46
They are.
20:46
Phenomenal cars.
20:47
So it would probably come down to a Cadillac or a Mustang, and then
20:52
I'd probably have to choose if I was forced to buy a American car,
20:56
probably end up with a Mustang.
20:58
I mean the Corvette, I don't know.
20:59
I've never been enamored by them.
21:02
Wait, wait, wait.
21:02
You wouldn't buy the new two door Dodge Charger that supposedly has
21:07
been on sale and is an EV now.
21:09
Oh, I forgot about Dodge.
21:11
See, I forgot about Dodge.
21:13
Everybody forgot about Dodge because when they closed up their doors and said, no
21:17
more hemis, oh, the party's over kids.
21:20
Time to go home.
21:21
We all said, bye Dodge.
21:23
Bye-bye.
21:23
See ya.
21:24
Nobody's building muscle cars anymore.
21:26
Who's paying attention to Dodge?
21:27
Right?
21:27
What else do they have?
21:28
The Pacific Up.
21:30
I think I the Mustang?
21:32
Well, I'd have to test drive it.
21:34
As an ev.
21:34
You'd want it as an ev.
21:36
Is that the only thing, the only way to make, that's the only option you have?
21:38
Oh, well then, no, then I'm getting a Mustang.
21:42
I mean, the only other thing would be a Jeep Renegade.
21:45
Maybe just 'cause I like it.
21:46
'cause it's like a, the panda, if they still make that.
21:49
They stopped selling it, right?
21:50
Yep.
21:50
So there you go.
21:51
So that's out.
21:51
So I'm back to a Mustang.
21:53
I do have an option for you though.
21:55
This is right on the heels of an upcoming, what should I buy?
21:57
Episode that we did.
21:59
Did you know that classic cars are exempt from the import tariff?
22:03
Wait a second.
22:04
It's a whole new way.
22:06
That's right.
22:07
There's a catch though, which we addressed in our, what should
22:10
I buy Episode And that is.
22:12
It must be 25 years old, so you have to be happy.
22:15
That's fine.
22:16
Importing an old car, I'm okay with that.
22:18
I'm okay with that too.
22:19
Which is going to drive up the gray market car prices because
22:22
a 25-year-old car is a 2000 car.
22:25
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
22:26
You got it.
22:27
And that's what we talked about on the, what should I buy episode, when you
22:30
jump back into it is what can you buy from like 98, 99, 2000 in that range?
22:35
What would you import?
22:36
Now we went a little crazy because you know Ah, we'll get a TVR.
22:39
We'll get this, we'll get that Ford Mano.
22:41
Yeah, Ford mano.
22:41
But there's actually some solid choices in there, and this actually stems
22:45
from a previous drive through episode that we did where James Humphrey.
22:49
From speed or whatever it's called now was talking about those 25-year-old cars.
22:53
So it's still an option.
22:55
And they are only subject to a 2.5% duty like they've always been.
23:00
So it's actually a pretty good deal.
23:02
You could import just about anything.
23:04
Well, they're exempt for now.
23:06
I mean, how do you tax something from the eighties though?
23:08
Like you wanna bring in an old Toyota Truo or something like you gonna tax it 25%.
23:14
Why?
23:14
They can do whatever they want.
23:16
It's a known entity.
23:17
It's like buying rust.
23:18
Doesn't matter.
23:18
Don't matter.
23:19
Tanya's.
23:19
Right.
23:20
If they want to tax the air that we breathe, they will do it.
23:22
They'll figure out a way.
23:23
Yeah.
23:24
Maryland taxes, your rainwater.
23:25
They used to, yeah, they did away with that.
23:27
Thank goodness.
23:28
But that being said, there's lots and lots of options in that year 2000 that we can
23:35
start to look at and investigate if you're really desperate for a car, or at least
23:40
you wanna continue collecting cars, right?
23:42
If that's still your hobby and your thing.
23:43
But, but the, the car.
23:46
Is not subject to the tariffs, but the replacement parts that you
23:51
need to import when you mm-hmm.
23:53
When you buy the car, you're not gonna be able to put an AC
23:56
Delco starter from Advanced Auto on your newly imported Toyota.
24:03
I sure will.
24:03
You know why?
24:04
'cause I'm a LS swap it with an American made V eight mo.
24:08
Now you're speaking my language.
24:10
Now all the parts come from Advanced Auto.
24:13
Yes.
24:13
Love it.
24:14
So that I guess sort of wraps up our tariff discussion.
24:17
Tariffs are terrible.
24:18
I hope they go away quickly.
24:20
I think there's been some backpedaling as of late the last couple weeks.
24:24
So this is a constant state of flux.
24:26
I can only hope that this goes back to normal, not just for
24:28
the automotive industry, but for everybody in general because.
24:31
It's gonna get nuts for computers and electronics and appliances and shoes.
24:35
Clothing sweatpants.
24:37
Well sweatpants.
24:39
Yeah, absolutely.
24:39
I can't believe they charge you 70 bucks.
24:42
Yeah, I was dumbfounded.
24:43
I told the UPS guy, just get off my property.
24:46
Get off my lawn.
24:47
Switching gears.
24:49
As we wrap out our showcase on tariffs here, we returned to Lower Saxony.
24:54
I know we said we weren't gonna do this because we pretty much covered
24:57
everything that there was to cover in boring Mercedes and BMW News, but I found
25:02
something that I just couldn't pass up.
25:04
Headline reads, Mercedes to launch by wire.
25:08
I'm gonna say that again.
25:09
Buy wire steering and yoke wheel for 2026.
25:14
Why are we doing yoke wheels again?
25:16
'cause a, a Yoel thought it was a good idea on another vehicle because people
25:21
want to feel like they're a pilot.
25:22
Well, and and when they introduce the self-driving, you're not
25:25
even gonna be touching it anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
25:28
It's less material.
25:29
It's smaller.
25:30
It's less to make and they can charge more for it.
25:32
Yeah.
25:32
And it looks so futuristic.
25:35
Yeah, it looks like hot garbage.
25:37
That looks uncomfortable.
25:38
It looks.
25:40
Dumb.
25:40
How do you rest your wrist on it and like gangster road.
25:43
Oh, they'll find a way.
25:44
They'll find a way.
25:45
You just grab the turn signal stock.
25:48
It doesn't have them.
25:49
Well, this is a Mercedes.
25:50
It does.
25:51
The BMWs don't.
25:52
No, that's the shifter up there.
25:53
That's the shifter.
25:54
I don't think so.
25:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:56
Zoom in.
25:56
It has numbers on it.
25:57
It says D one something.
26:00
It is not D one.
26:03
Ugh.
26:03
This is terrible.
26:04
I hope that new cars will not pick up this trend.
26:09
Much like I'm very tired of the slab sided, no flares.
26:12
Everything looks like it was cut with, you know, a joint compound putty knife.
26:16
I'm so done with all this stuff.
26:18
Can we just have cars that are normal again?
26:20
No.
26:21
Speaking of not normal.
26:22
Let's talk about domestics.
26:23
Have you seen the concept of the C nine Corvette?
26:26
Oh, no.
26:28
No.
26:28
I have not seen the concept.
26:30
What do we think?
26:31
I need some context.
26:32
Who is the source?
26:34
The source is car scoops.
26:35
No, no, no.
26:36
Well, where did, where does their source?
26:38
This is a concept.
26:39
What am I supposed to, so imagine this.
26:41
Picture it 2020 something, the year 2057 uhhuh.
26:46
Right, right, right.
26:46
This is the replacement for the current C eight.
26:49
This is the next generation Corvette.
26:52
I don't really like the current generation that much.
26:56
I've gotten used to seeing them.
26:58
They don't feel as Corvette as other Corvettes do.
27:02
This is even less Corvette.
27:06
This reminds me of the peo uh, the Axia, the l and p car or whatever.
27:12
It's Oh, yeah, yeah.
27:12
Who would drive this every day?
27:14
Who is this designed for?
27:16
It looks like a fighter jet, which is in some respects Cool.
27:19
I mean, if it was all black, I guess it could be a Batmobile.
27:21
Yeah.
27:22
So it it, it reminds me of the Aston Martin Valery.
27:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:26
A little bit.
27:27
Which is practically an LMP two car Goldings is a bad idea.
27:32
Yeah.
27:32
Well, I don't, I don't know.
27:34
I uh, obviously this is not what it's gonna look like, but I can guarantee
27:37
some of the styling cues from this are gonna be used in the next one.
27:41
That's usually what they do.
27:42
They'll do something crazy like this and then they come up with
27:45
the next design as a result of it.
27:47
Maybe some foreshadowing of what the C nine could look like, but
27:50
okay, let's say they went full court press and this is what they built.
27:54
Then this now takes you into that stratosphere of like Lamborghini and
27:58
Bugatti, where Corvette is no longer for the everyday sports car enthusiast.
28:02
This is now a hyper car.
28:05
In that new class that's supposed to be coming to endurance racing, right?
28:08
Is that what they're building this for?
28:10
Again, to your point, Brad, what's the source?
28:13
What's the audience?
28:14
What's the point?
28:15
I don't get it and I don't know that I dislike it.
28:17
This is not a car you're gonna drive to work and then stop at the grocery store
28:21
in, and you do that with a C eight.
28:23
Well, the guy today was, I guess we should ask someone that we know
28:27
that owned a C eight in Mr. Bank.
28:30
Oh yeah.
28:31
Yeah.
28:31
But he takes his viper to the grocery store.
28:33
So I mean, the reality is this will never be made.
28:36
Whatever the next Corvette is, won't look like this.
28:38
The one thing I gotta hand this design is at least it doesn't look like a Camaro
28:43
was involved in a rear end collision.
28:45
At least they figured out how to make the back end of it look halfway decent.
28:49
These seats don't look comfortable.
28:51
None of it looks comfortable.
28:53
None of it is that steering, whatever it is, yolk.
28:55
It's a yolk.
28:56
Don't call it a steering wheel.
28:57
It's a yolk.
28:58
It is circularish if you curve a rectangle.
29:01
Sure.
29:01
Yes.
29:02
That's basically what it is.
29:03
It's a curved rectangle switch to Asian domestic news.
29:07
Honda's got a recall out and the headline reads, Honda in Acura are
29:10
accused of start, stop engine failures affecting up to 2.2 million vehicles.
29:16
And I mean, this ends in a class action lawsuit.
29:18
That's the and and, but basically it sounds like Honda's going through
29:22
motors, like people go through chewing gum, which is sad because
29:25
Honda's always known for its.
29:26
Quote unquote reliability and you know, engines that run forever and never need
29:30
their oil changed and never need any maintenance and all that kind of stuff.
29:34
But this is not good.
29:36
I've always said that start, stop technology as much as
29:39
people claim that it saves.
29:40
This is, again, the argument of it was a cool experiment.
29:43
Just put a hybrid in it and call it a day instead of all this
29:47
start, stop nonsense that isn't really doing any good for anybody.
29:50
Has Honda thought about just replacing the starter motor with what?
29:54
With a new starter motor?
29:56
Is that why it's, I mean, and start stop technology?
29:59
I would think that that's probably getting overworked and it's
30:01
probably prematurely failing.
30:03
Yeah, so that's probably what these cars need is just a new starter.
30:06
Something like a Tilton racing quality, high output starter instead
30:10
of, you know, whatever they've been using on the Civic since 1976.
30:13
I don't know.
30:14
Changing gears and talking about one of the marketing geniuses
30:18
of the Asian domestic world.
30:19
Didn't we talk about this already?
30:21
We talked about it on Discord.
30:23
Oh, is that why?
30:24
'cause I'm like, I remember having this conversation.
30:26
Yeah.
30:26
Yeah.
30:26
And that conversation revolves around the Nissan Z selling five times more than the
30:32
Toyota Supra in the first quarter of 2025.
30:35
It's also newer.
30:36
The SRAs on its way out.
30:38
Yes.
30:38
The Zs have been sitting on lots.
30:40
Not moving.
30:41
It's sort of stupid.
30:42
Toyota's ramping down production of the Supra.
30:45
So like, what is this comparison?
30:46
They still have a model year for this year, so yeah, but production is
30:51
ramping down, you know what I mean?
30:53
I don't think it's ever been a high volume car.
30:56
Anyway, they also changed the front end of the Z. Did you notice now it has
31:00
two grills in the front instead of the one big blocky one that nobody liked?
31:04
I did not.
31:05
Yeah.
31:05
I don't even remember what it looked like.
31:07
It had this big square single grill.
31:10
It was like open mouth fish.
31:12
Like a carp?
31:13
Yeah, a magic hop, cob cob.
31:14
Pretty much.
31:15
So now they did this split grill in the front.
31:17
I think it looks better.
31:19
Not a hundred percent.
31:20
I'm not sold on it yet.
31:21
Oh, I see.
31:22
Now what it, what it used to look like.
31:23
Okay.
31:24
Yeah.
31:24
If you look at the next picture, yeah.
31:26
Then you see exactly what it looked like.
31:27
So part of this could also be, because as I said before, first of all, the Nissan
31:32
was a good deal when they introduced it and people just didn't buy them.
31:36
And then they started fire sailing them, and they said that the
31:40
current bonuses and incentives on the Z make it as cheap as a Miata.
31:45
So if you had to choose between a Miata and a Z, what are you gonna buy?
31:48
I don't even know how much Miata costs too much.
31:51
I mean, buying the Z. Yeah, buying the one with more power.
31:54
To put in perspective, the price is 44,000.
31:58
Well, hold on.
31:59
They're saying 44,000 is less than the price of a Miata.
32:03
That's before the incentives.
32:04
That's the starting price is 44 grand.
32:06
So if you knock off.
32:08
And you're down to 40, which there's as much as a $4,000 rebate on the Z. That's
32:13
what they're saying that the Miata costs.
32:14
We can verify that.
32:15
Let's fact check that quick.
32:17
I am fact checking it.
32:18
And the MX 5 20 25 MX five starts at 29,530.
32:23
Do you get wheels?
32:23
Do you get a motor?
32:24
Do you get anything?
32:25
Does it have electronics?
32:26
You get a yolk as shown whatever one they've got.
32:29
Pictured here is 33.
32:31
You know, I don't trust articles that come from the drive.
32:34
We've pointed this out before.
32:35
Oh, I thought you were gonna say, I don't trust, like I'm on Mazda's
32:37
website, so I think I can trust it.
32:39
Sometimes the sources of stuff that we get, I'm like, what?
32:42
Oh, I was gonna try and build one and it gave me an, oh, here we go.
32:45
It says here, according to their facts.
32:48
They're true facts that they have here.
32:50
The Mazda Miata MX five grand Touring with an automatic is 36,935, and
32:55
the gap widens when you pick the special edition Miata, which is 37.
33:00
And then the RF Club, which is that fixed roof thing that
33:03
they have, brings it up to 42.
33:05
So with incentives, this is where they're playing the game with incentives than
33:09
the Z is cheaper than the top model.
33:12
Miata not the base model yet, so you can never compare.
33:15
Yeah, the base, it's cheaper than.
33:17
A version of the Miata.
33:19
It's cheaper than the track prepped ready Miata.
33:22
Do you know what?
33:22
They're both cheaper than than the nine 11 GT three Rs Whoopy.
33:26
Do.
33:26
Like, who cares?
33:27
The the bigger point is that the Z has been a good deal since day one.
33:31
If you want a grand tour with 400 horsepower that isn't a V eight
33:37
and is something different that you can take to your local cars and
33:40
coffee, 'cause you're not gonna see another one, the Z is a goodbye.
33:43
And if you can afford going to the track anymore, which those prices have gotten,
33:47
maybe there's tariffs on track days.
33:49
Now.
33:49
I, I don't know.
33:50
The asphalt is imported.
33:51
Oh, is that what it is?
33:52
Yeah.
33:52
There we go.
33:53
So if you can afford to do that as well, you've got this sort of every
33:57
person, every event type of car.
34:00
And to me that's the second car in the lineup.
34:03
After the Mustang, you have to buy American, so it's not in your lineup,
34:07
but the Z is the next one in line.
34:09
If we remove the shroud of everything else we talked about, it would be
34:13
a hard toss up between the Mustang and the Z at the end of the day.
34:16
As someone who is without a fun car for a little while.
34:20
I can look here and let's see.
34:22
The Z, they sold 20.
34:24
Okay, so when did it come out?
34:26
I'm trying to think of how many are gonna be available in the used car
34:29
market in about four or five years.
34:31
Came met a couple of years ago.
34:32
There'll probably be a decent amount of them.
34:33
Well, the ones they're selling now are like Dodge Darts.
34:36
They're gonna keep selling the 2020s through 2030 because they haven't.
34:39
Fantastic.
34:40
I'll be able to get a brand new one.
34:41
There you go.
34:42
It'll be 170,000 for 25% auto loan for 15 years.
34:47
Don't forget, there'll be a tariffs on that.
34:49
Yeah, it's true.
34:49
I'll, I'll take it on 15 year mortgage.
34:51
Well, we've talked about this before, Tanya.
34:53
This is a de doe moment for you.
34:55
Right.
34:55
God.
34:56
Thank God manufacturers specifically.
34:58
Hyundai is gonna go back to buttons in the car versus touchscreen.
35:02
'cause it's safer.
35:04
No shit.
35:09
But the buttons aren't gonna be free.
35:11
You're gonna have to pay for them.
35:13
Yeah, but it's gonna be a lot cheaper than that.
35:15
Imported computer board, electronic screen, blah,
35:18
blah, blah, blah, blah chips.
35:20
I just wanna know who thought it was a good idea to put
35:22
all that crap in the cars.
35:24
Somebody who is trying to capitalize on the world we live in, that
35:29
everything is, is freaking computers.
35:31
Can we start our own campaign?
35:33
Can we do make cars great again?
35:35
Can we do that?
35:36
Can we start that Macca?
35:39
No, it's Mick.
35:42
There's not enough vowels in there.
35:43
Maybe we, we, we just add a vowel, make all cars again.
35:46
Well, there's no d so me.
35:53
If you take a D out of dodge, you get Doge, right?
35:55
You don't want to get dodged in this situation.
35:57
No.
35:57
You never take the D outta dodge.
35:59
You leave the D in.
36:01
My point is, I'm not saying, let's go back to Fins and Friends of the 1950s.
36:05
Now there's a shirt, right?
36:07
Those cars are wonderful.
36:09
There's a ton of nostalgia around the cars of the fifties and sixties, and they're
36:12
terrible to drive, but there's beauty and simplicity and, and a freaking knob.
36:17
Works and a button works unless you're a total ass hat and you break the
36:22
thing off the buttons and the buttons and the knobs and my 40-year-old
36:27
car still work 40 years later.
36:29
You know what doesn't work?
36:30
The touchscreen in that Cadillac, that's the reason we got rid of our Cadillac.
36:35
Mercedes will spend how much time developing?
36:39
It was two years or redeveloping a knob for your 1980s sl.
36:44
See, but that's quality engineering.
36:45
Now, that button went from being $3 to $300.
36:49
Thanks to everything that's happening right now.
36:51
We're gonna have to pull back some of those stories.
36:53
Be like, uh, correction.
36:54
We need to redact our statement about how cheap this was.
36:57
Ep be, be, be, be, be.
36:58
It's okay though.
36:58
Here's the thing people gotta think about.
37:01
With the buttons and the knobs and everybody having 3D printers.
37:04
You could break it.
37:05
You could just 3D print yourself another one.
37:06
That's what I kept thinking.
37:07
But the price of the 3D printing filament's gonna go up too, right?
37:11
If you don't already have one.
37:11
So it's a lose lose loser situation.
37:15
Well, since we opened the door to talk about Hyundai again, Tanya, you
37:19
brought us one in EVs and concepts.
37:22
What is this?
37:23
Apparently, Genesis Oh, is unveiling their 2026 GV 60 magma.
37:31
Come on.
37:31
You gotta give it that magma.
37:35
It reminds me of S Magma.
37:45
Next up from Hyundai, the Merkin.
37:51
Oh my God.
37:53
The Hyundai fpa.
37:57
Well, as we compose ourselves, get used to the magma name because apparently
38:03
it's the Mark's new performance sub-brand Magma EV 60 s Magma.
38:09
S Magma.
38:10
Here we go again.
38:15
Did it on purpose.
38:16
They had to have done it on purpose.
38:18
They're trolling us.
38:19
They are trolling us.
38:21
Okay.
38:21
Genesis Kia Hyundai, same company.
38:24
Let's just get that out on the table for people that don't know.
38:27
So the magma.
38:29
Is the end line.
38:30
This is the Veloster.
38:32
And see, they call it an SUV, but I'm like, it's, it's the red hot electric SUV.
38:39
This thing looks like a velociter.
38:41
A velociter.
38:43
Isn't that, wait, veloc.
38:44
Isn't that what that thing's called?
38:45
What is it?
38:46
Veloc?
38:46
There's no, I, oh, is it?
38:49
There you go.
38:49
Veloster.
38:50
Is it?
38:50
Yes.
38:50
The Velociraptor like, yes, the ve.
38:56
The Velociter s Magma.
39:01
Velociter would've been a better name.
39:03
Veloster, all that bluster.
39:05
And anyway, it looks like a veloster.
39:07
They should rename it.
39:08
The Vesuvius.
39:09
Ooh, the magma comes from the Vesuvius
39:15
Vesuvius's.
39:15
Terrible.
39:17
So if it's quote unquote an SUV as the article alleges, then it's the Ioni five.
39:23
It looks like an updated veloster.
39:25
It really does.
39:26
It's the back door and the flare fender in the back that really
39:29
screams Veloster to me, which is okay.
39:32
'cause I was sad to see the Veloster go.
39:34
The last generation was really, really good and I was like scratching my head
39:39
why they would pull themselves out of that market considering GTI and
39:43
Civic and all those cars still exist.
39:45
But you are correct in that it actually shares the platform of the Iion EQ five
39:50
N. Does it have the stereo that makes the car sounds when they drive around?
39:54
I don't know, but apparently this thing's gonna have 600 horsepower or more.
39:58
641 what?
40:00
Depending on the motor configuration you have and apparently the magma brand,
40:05
you're also gonna be seeing Genesis magma racing in Weck and imsa, and they're
40:10
gonna try to get into Labon in Daytona.
40:13
Not with this.
40:14
That's No, they're gonna have, that's literally gonna be an SUV on track.
40:17
No, of course not.
40:18
No, no, no.
40:18
They're gonna create their own hypercar.
40:20
I think.
40:20
I like it from the back.
40:22
I like it a lot.
40:23
It's very corrado from the rear with that little wang that it has there.
40:27
I don't hate it.
40:28
I don't hate it either, honestly.
40:30
Like the front could massage a little bit, they could tweak it, improve that.
40:34
I don't know that I'm a fan of those double headlights and I don't normally
40:38
go for orange, but I kind of like this.
40:40
Yeah.
40:41
Okay.
40:41
All jokes aside in the name Jokes aside, it's gonna be 75,000 before tariff.
40:46
Nevermind.
40:47
I'm out Dugger.
40:48
So boom.
40:48
A cool a hundred grand right off the bat for a hundred grand.
40:51
They better bring me that N 74 vision thing.
40:55
Yeah, well that's gonna be 200 something.
40:57
Forget that noise.
40:58
And it's a hydrogen bomb on wheels too, so, alright.
41:02
I didn't bring this up during Lower Saxony because I know Brad starts to
41:06
get the Ajita if we talk too much about BMW now, but Mini is one of the brands.
41:12
That says we're changing course.
41:14
We are not gonna abandon gas engines.
41:16
Internal combustion is quote, still very much a thing.
41:20
Shocker degree.
41:21
Where's like the captain obvious sticker for this?
41:24
That don't have to be the thumbnail.
41:26
What I wanted to comment on is the mini is no longer the mini anymore.
41:30
The mini became the maxi a while ago.
41:34
This thing is big and this thing is ugly.
41:37
Especially that green one is starting to look like a Subaru Outback.
41:41
Like, what is that awful?
41:43
Yeah, the lines on the green one, that's the Aman, so that's different.
41:48
That is larger than the white one.
41:49
I think the white one is more normally sized because it's supposed
41:54
to just be like a mini Cooper.
41:55
So it's not a countryman.
41:56
It's not the Paceman, it's not so whatever.
41:58
The other one they have is normal size relative to the current
42:01
mini, which is twice the size.
42:02
Well, yes.
42:03
I mean, when you speak mini now you can't be like, oh, it's
42:06
red, the one from 40 years ago.
42:09
Of course it's bigger.
42:09
It's like the new GTI.
42:11
It's 9,000 times the size of the original one.
42:14
And God, I saw one the other day.
42:16
I was with my wife, we're driving down the road VW badge on the back.
42:19
She asked me, what car is that?
42:21
Like?
42:21
You couldn't really discern it from everything else on
42:24
the road, the earlier point.
42:25
Everything's just this blob shape now, and everybody copied each other
42:28
on headlights and taillights, so it's like you can't play that game anymore.
42:32
And I feel like you could play when we were kids where it's like at
42:34
nighttime and you see headlights coming.
42:36
It's like, Ooh, name that car.
42:38
And you could actually tell the car from the headlights.
42:40
Now it's like, is that an Audi?
42:42
Oh shit, look, that was a Corolla.
42:43
My bad.
42:44
See, that was an important skill to have when you wanted to know if the five oh
42:48
was rolling up on you, or if it was a Mustang because they had similar front
42:51
end headlights in the Crown Vix and stuff.
42:53
Now I have no idea.
42:55
No clue.
42:55
Roof racks.
42:56
It's all about roof racks now.
42:58
Alright, meanwhile, so mini sin.
43:00
Ice is okay, we're gonna stick with ice.
43:02
But on the other hand, Subaru, in a stroke of absolute genius Subaru's, STI
43:07
plans are to ditch gas altogether and the next STI Subarus will be electric.
43:13
How are they gonna blow head gaskets then?
43:15
Well, how are they gonna make that noise?
43:19
Hey, I'm okay with this actually, so I don't have to hear that noise.
43:27
What I took away from this is.
43:28
The following, the old school, the OG doubles all defected after the Mark IVs
43:33
basically, and left Volkswagen and went to Subaru because Subaru was exciting.
43:38
It was the next tinkerers cars was sort of, you know, the
43:40
bargain basement enthusiast vehicle like the GTIs used to be.
43:43
And they, you know, all wheel drive and Rally and Colin McRay and
43:47
add all the excitement in there.
43:48
Right.
43:49
But they've become old and bloated like everybody else.
43:51
And so they are following exactly in Volkswagen's footsteps, just
43:55
like we talked about with the golf.
43:56
What does Volkswagen have that gets anybody excited anymore?
43:59
I can't tell a Jetta GLI apart from enter your favorite Japanese domestic
44:05
American car in that versus the GTI and Subaru's going the same way.
44:09
The cars over the last couple of years have just gotten more and more, I'm not
44:12
saying it's a bad thing, they're family cars now for the aging, you know, dad
44:17
Bo and you buy your next Subaru, right?
44:19
As you've matured out of the fanboy racer, just like we did
44:22
with our Volkswagen, right, Brad?
44:24
Mm-hmm.
44:24
I mean, they only offer two cars and none of 'em are WRX or STI.
44:30
It's just.
44:30
Impreza or Legacy, gross and grosser.
44:33
They already said they got rid of the wx, I thought, right?
44:35
Yeah.
44:36
So you can't even get that.
44:37
So now you just have base sport and RS trim, whatever that is.
44:40
So it's like, what is exciting about these?
44:42
Nothing.
44:43
The Impreza is still the more hatchback looking one, and
44:46
then the legacy is the sedan.
44:48
You really do have every dealership website of, we
44:52
have an uncool wall nominee.
44:54
It's been a while.
44:55
We got a new one.
44:56
What is this trash?
44:57
Is this a new forester?
44:58
No.
44:58
Is this a new Outback?
45:00
Yes.
45:00
What a turd.
45:01
This is the ugliest car on the market right now.
45:04
What are these two piece plastic fender things?
45:07
Lego cars have more shape than this does.
45:09
Is this an ev?
45:10
Is this gasoline?
45:11
It's a truck is what it is.
45:13
Look how big it is.
45:14
It's gotta be an ev.
45:15
There's no radiator grill or anything.
45:18
There's like little teeny holes in the front.
45:21
This has to be an ev.
45:22
This is the family youngster.
45:24
That's what this is.
45:25
This is terrible.
45:26
This is the family ter.
45:28
This is what Subaru is building now.
45:30
Available Turbocharged Subaru Boxer engine.
45:33
The six cylinder or the four doesn't say get vehicle updates.
45:37
Oh, I gotta sign up to hear about it.
45:40
Do it because it's not out yet.
45:42
This thing looks like it weighs 6,500 pounds, 8.7 inches of ground clearance.
45:47
Ugh.
45:48
And available turbocharged in their registered trademarked
45:52
Subaru boxer engine.
45:53
Yeah.
45:54
Okay.
45:54
Wherever you're going, the 2026 Outback is ready when you are.
45:58
Yeah.
45:58
Okay.
45:58
This has not been paid for in part by Subaru.
46:00
Yeah.
46:01
Okay.
46:02
Either way, fans of the show now have the opportunity to vote on
46:07
the family Youngster, AKA, the 2026 Subaru Outback, along with
46:11
60 other cars on our uncool wall.
46:14
So jump over to gt motorsports.org, click on podcast, and then uncool Wall.
46:18
And you can vote on a ton of different cars that we have talked about over the
46:22
years on this show and on other segments on the Motor and Podcast Network.
46:26
Well, since you have dealership websites open, it's time to talk
46:29
about Brad's favorite segment of the Drive Through Lost and Found, where
46:33
we scoured the internet for the most ridiculous cars that we can buy.
46:37
Had you been keeping track of Project 9 64 from PCA?
46:40
Nope.
46:40
No.
46:41
So this has been going on for quite a while, that they did this
46:43
restoration on this Carrera for 9 64.
46:46
They sold it on Bring a Trailer.
46:48
I'm sure you guys have already figured out how much it costs, so
46:50
we won't play the guessing game, but our audience doesn't know.
46:52
They sold it for a cool $133,000.
46:57
Was that a better deal than just buying 120 something thousand dollars?
47:01
Brand new nine 11 if you're a purist.
47:04
Like I am.
47:05
Yes, I want an air.
47:06
Cool.
47:06
3.6 liter 9 64 could care less about the all wheel drive.
47:10
That syncro system was junk in those cars back then.
47:13
That being said, if you're a technophile and you want the latest and greatest
47:17
nine 11, that will run circles around this 9 64, then yeah, you're saving
47:21
money by spending 127 grand on a base model nine 11 because it's, oh,
47:26
I don't know, 30 years newer, 30.
47:29
They put out that little teaser, like, Ooh, wow.
47:31
They sold it on bringer trailer for 130 grand.
47:33
Okay, cool.
47:34
And then they followed it up with an article about how they sold it.
47:37
So I was like, well, that's interesting too.
47:39
So a little just kind of deeper dive into the world of consigning cars and bring
47:43
a trailer and what that was all about.
47:45
Glad to see that project.
47:47
9 64 went onto a new home.
47:48
It is a beautiful car.
47:50
I tend to like the nine 60 fours in other colors, but there's nothing wrong with a
47:54
guards red nine 11 at the end of the day.
47:56
I like the guards red nine 11, but I don't like the 9 64 in guards red.
48:00
Right.
48:01
There's something about its shape that it does not lend itself well to red.
48:05
No, it does not look good.
48:06
It looks good in green.
48:07
I've seen some green ones.
48:08
It looks good in yellow.
48:10
Like the turbos, it looks good in silver, white.
48:13
Mm-hmm.
48:13
Just anything but red.
48:14
It, it's just red.
48:15
Never floated Well in those cars.
48:17
I don't like these hrre with this color either.
48:20
I don't like the combination, just something about it.
48:22
But I'm not dropping 130 grand on it, so it doesn't really matter what I think.
48:25
All right.
48:25
Tanya, are we gonna do it?
48:27
Are we gonna break our New Year's resolution?
48:29
I think we've, we've done it once before already.
48:31
We don't have to.
48:32
We don't have to.
48:32
Okay.
48:33
It's lies anyway.
48:34
That's not gonna happen.
48:35
So, oh, oh, oh, oh.
48:36
Are you ta are you referring to Tesla?
48:41
If past performance is indicative of future performance, then it
48:45
ain't happening, so we're fine.
48:46
Oh, there's no news just to fill in the curious audience.
48:51
What are we talking about?
48:53
So they allege that.
48:55
I like how you have to start with that disclaimer.
48:57
Alleged you have to.
49:00
They allege that their basic entry level, lower cost model is going to be available
49:06
in June of this year based off of, I think the model Y. The real question
49:12
is how much more basic can you get?
49:14
Like what's below Home Depot?
49:18
Ingers.
49:18
Ollie's good and cheap, and that's all you have it.
49:20
That's it.
49:21
It's not happening.
49:22
June's gonna be here tomorrow.
49:24
This isn't gonna be there.
49:25
Just like, you know, everything else.
49:27
I wanna know, have they stated how much?
49:29
Actually, they've always said it was supposed to be 30.
49:31
Yeah.
49:32
Okay.
49:32
Yeah, so I think they're still trying to say it's gonna be 30 or
49:35
less and they're gonna do that.
49:37
We need to be built on existing assembly lines.
49:39
Yeah, of course it's still, it still says 30, but you're gonna still base
49:43
it off something you already have.
49:45
So how much more cheaply are you going to make it?
49:48
You're not gonna put seats in it.
49:49
Like are those optional?
49:50
Why don't they just say that they're facelift the model
49:53
Y and then be done with it.
49:55
Now I will say.
49:56
Credit where credit is due.
49:57
The cyber truck front end actually works for this.
50:01
The only thing cyber truck is the thin lights that they have going across.
50:05
That's what I'm saying.
50:06
It sort of works for this, you know, from the picture.
50:08
It doesn't look like has a windwood wiper.
50:10
It doesn't.
50:11
That's why this is not happening.
50:13
That's why this is fake.
50:14
This is a rendering.
50:15
It's never gonna happen.
50:16
This was dreamt up by stable diffusion or something.
50:19
This is just typical.
50:21
Bullshit publicity they gotta do to generate the media buzz and try
50:26
to get their trajectory back up.
50:27
And then there's probably, if you go on their website, which I'm not gonna do,
50:30
probably if you go there, you probably put your a hundred dollars deposit down.
50:33
That way they can start collecting a bunch of money to go pay for something else and
50:36
then delay this, you know, six months and another six months and another six months.
50:40
Well enough of that nonsense.
50:41
Speaking of nonsense, we need to switch to lowered expectations.
50:45
Lowered expectations.
50:51
Antonia, we have just recently celebrated all the high Holy Holidays of the
50:55
spring and it is time for our final installment of the Passion of the Senna.
51:01
Did you listen to our review?
51:06
That's funny.
51:06
May he rest in peace.
51:07
Yes, I listened to the podcast was good.
51:10
So were William, John and I. Wrong.
51:12
It was interesting in that John hadn't watched it, so he was digesting from
51:18
your and William's perspectives, watching through your words essentially.
51:23
I was with it the whole way till a certain point.
51:26
I know which point it is too.
51:28
And then I was like, flip the table, I'm done.
51:32
Turn it off.
51:32
I'm not listening anymore.
51:34
Spoiler alert, if you haven't listened to the podcast, go
51:37
ahead and fast forward a minute.
51:39
The point that turned me off when we were discussing, obviously,
51:43
his death, and that there was a hypothesis, oh, my conspiracy theory.
51:48
Conspiracy theory, that it could have been intentional, that
51:52
it could have been suicide.
51:54
You don't know.
51:56
I was like, no, you gotta be kidding me.
52:00
That's a bold take.
52:01
I mean that's, that's one theory.
52:04
That's one theory because I wanted to see how John was gonna react.
52:07
He did not appreciate that theory either.
52:13
Ah.
52:14
I mean, otherwise we're all doing the same thing.
52:17
Ah, no, I think there was general consensus.
52:20
I mean, you got the real sense of it from the movie and of course
52:23
his family was involved in the production and and all that.
52:27
So obviously it was gonna slant and tilt a certain way, and I think everyone agreed
52:31
that that was the tone of the TV series.
52:34
If you're at all interested in Formula One, if you're all interested in.
52:38
Ton and that whole history, it's a must see.
52:41
Just like, yeah, watching the original Netflix docu movie that came out called
52:45
Sena, which has more clips of him and the real footage and all that in
52:50
the interviews and stuff like that.
52:51
That's definitely a must see as well.
52:54
At the end of the day, recommend it.
52:55
It's obviously a ization.
52:57
Some things that don't make sense or at least seem odd with what the history
53:01
would've said as people lived through it, some of the relationships he had with some
53:05
of the other key folks in the rivalries.
53:09
Which I think we touched on last time, like Darth Prost.
53:12
Yeah.
53:12
It was very interesting how they were suddenly BF.
53:15
That seemed completely not what the situation was, but
53:18
I guess, who are we to know?
53:20
Well, we did have fun reviewing it.
53:21
If you haven't listened to the podcast episode that goes along with the review
53:25
of Sena Conspiracy theories aside, I think we did a good job of buttoning that whole
53:30
thing up so you don't have to watch it.
53:32
TLDR it.
53:33
Listen to the podcast episode.
53:34
It's in our catalog from last May.
53:37
Now it's almost a year ago.
53:38
We celebrated the 30th anniversary of Senna's Death at Timor.
53:42
Now we gotta switch gears and pick up, are you faster than an interceptor?
53:45
And Brad Japan heard you and they said, hold my Sapporo, North Carolina.
53:51
We're gonna see your Mustang and raise you.
53:53
Acura NSX.
53:55
Ooh.
53:56
This is their police interceptor.
53:58
I mean, it looks like the Fujiyama Fujiwara.
54:01
Yeah.
54:01
Tofu shop delivery 80, 86.
54:03
But still, Italy's got Lamborghinis.
54:05
I thought they stopped making the NSX.
54:07
They've all become police cars now.
54:09
Yeah.
54:09
The ones that they didn't sell are all cop cars now.
54:11
Yeah.
54:11
Retail's for 25 million yen, which is $175,000 a us.
54:18
Mm. I don't wanna be chased by one, but I would love to stage like a top
54:22
gear cop car challenge with this and the Mustang and some of the other cars.
54:26
I think that'd be a lot of fun.
54:27
Do some cherries and berries for charity racing.
54:29
That'd be good.
54:30
Well, since we are talking about Florida man.
54:32
Mm-hmm.
54:34
Florida man.
54:48
Mm-hmm.
54:49
I was trying to understand this one, but apparently it's all the rage.
54:53
No, this was in Texas because I recognized the beige Lexus driver
54:56
going full road rage on cyber truck.
54:58
Sounded like he was just annoyed that the fact that there was cyber
55:01
truck in his line of vision and then the guy went so far as possibly
55:05
brandishing a firearm while they look like they're on the 45 highway.
55:09
I don't know where in Texas they are, but they're on a highway.
55:11
Well, that doesn't matter.
55:12
The cyber truck is bulletproof.
55:13
That's true.
55:13
Maybe that's what he wanted to test out.
55:15
He's like, look at you.
55:17
I wanna see if you are riot proof.
55:19
Is that a gun or a taser?
55:20
What is that?
55:21
Well, and that's what they say.
55:22
They're like, we're not sure if it's a taser.
55:24
We're not sure if it's a gun in its holster, but I'm like,
55:26
that's a really square holster.
55:27
But I don't know really big thought.
55:30
At first I was like holding this wallet.
55:33
Unreal.
55:33
There is a video, there's a theme here in the Florida, man.
55:38
I'll let you know.
55:38
This is starting a theme of unhinged people.
55:41
We'll get to more of them.
55:42
Yeah.
55:42
First of all, I thought the cyber truck was supposed to be really fast.
55:45
He can't outrun the five liter in that Lexus.
55:47
I've been in one of those Lexus.
55:48
They're quick, but he should be able to just.
55:50
Put on all his tri motors and unicorn farts and outrun 'em.
55:54
Oh, what?
55:54
He looks like.
55:55
He's just not trying.
55:56
And it looks like the guy's holding a box now.
55:59
It looks like a taser.
55:59
It's not a gun.
56:00
Geez.
56:00
He almost wrecks himself.
56:01
Yeah, he almost killed himself.
56:03
If he didn't have traction control, he'd have been in the Jersey wall.
56:05
Is it really his fault that this guy bought a cyber truck?
56:08
Like, I don't fault people.
56:09
If that's how you wanna waste your money, like go for it.
56:12
I don't say that about other Teslas.
56:14
I get it.
56:14
You know, it's the car you chose, but the cyber truck, you know, that's a
56:16
conscious decision you have to make.
56:18
But I will say this, a friend of mine, I was chatting with him about
56:21
this 'cause I know his wife owns a Tesla and he said that they bought a
56:24
sticker to put on the car that says, I bought this before Elon went crazy.
56:28
Oh, there's, I've seen lots of things talking about that.
56:31
Yeah, I've seen those before.
56:32
People changing the badges on the car, because to your point, Tanya,
56:34
all the cars look sort of the same.
56:36
So from the back, if you put an Audi badge on a Tesla, it kinda looks like an A
56:39
four, A five, maybe you'll get left alone.
56:41
I guess what we don't know is if something precipitated that guy's anger.
56:46
If it was, it might have been.
56:47
Something.
56:48
Yeah.
56:48
How unhinged are you to really get that?
56:51
Just 'cause you see one and then, and I do believe there are unhinged
56:54
people like that, but we don't know that something else didn't
56:56
happen two miles down the road.
56:58
Not that this was the appropriate reaction regardless.
57:01
No, but it also proves the point that the Teslas plural are always recording because
57:06
that was picked up on what the fender cam or the mirror cam off of the cyber truck.
57:10
I guess, again, I don't want to go into the process of how they extracted
57:13
the video, but the fact of the matter is those cars are always recording
57:17
and they only extracted the part you wanted to see because you don't
57:20
know if two miles before the camera would've seen something not favorable
57:24
for the Tesla, but Yeah, exactly.
57:26
People be cray.
57:27
There's gonna be a new campaign out.
57:29
That's a Tesla Lives matter.
57:30
Oh geez.
57:31
Oh my God.
57:32
Well, speaking of a world full of cameras, did you know that
57:34
there are now highway patrols?
57:36
That are using AI cameras in an attempt to catch distracted drivers.
57:41
So how do they know you're distracted?
57:43
I had to venture into the city yet again, and I'm not gonna get
57:46
on my soapbox and rant about it.
57:48
It's pretty obvious when somebody is talking into their phone.
57:52
Well, that in a car with Bluetooth and it's.
57:54
Well, I, I guess I'm wondering that what is the sensitivity
57:57
level from this picture?
57:59
It's pretty obvious.
57:59
Well, that's like really blatant.
58:01
Yeah, but I'm wondering, so I guess they're just randomly taking photos all
58:05
the time and then they have, it's like the capture thing and they've got the
58:09
AI that's sitting there looking for the bicycle in eight of the picture frames.
58:13
Yes.
58:13
And by the way, at the same time that they took a snapshot of you driving
58:17
down the road, they've also taken a snapshot of your license plate.
58:20
Oh, of course.
58:21
And put two and two together and they're gonna send you not just a $70 thing
58:25
from UPS in the mail to pay for it.
58:27
They're gonna send you a fine, they're gonna send you a citation.
58:30
That's what this is all boiling down to.
58:31
Well, hold on.
58:32
'cause this is where it gets interesting.
58:34
So if this is the picture that they shot, now obviously they probably
58:38
blurred this guy's face or lady's face.
58:40
I can't tell for their privacy here.
58:43
Speed cameras function in that they sent you a ticket, but there's no
58:48
repercussion to the points on your license because they can't actually
58:51
know who was behind the wheel.
58:52
Right.
58:52
If they've now coupled the technology to take a picture, you're face in there.
58:56
It's pretty solid evidence of who was driving the car.
59:00
You're done.
59:01
So is are you now not only gonna have the ticket, but also, Hey, guess what?
59:05
That's two points off your license.
59:07
'cause I can clearly see that it's you.
59:09
Whoop whoop, you're done.
59:10
This is the police state.
59:12
Skynet big brother is watching 1984 world that we will be living in.
59:16
Oh my God.
59:16
We're gonna have people riding around in like Friday.
59:19
Masks screen, hundred percent masks.
59:21
They'll be like, I don't want my face captured on your AI photo.
59:25
Just like they put the smoke plastic covers over their license
59:28
plate to try to avoid the toys.
59:29
The cameras, exactly.
59:29
There's gonna be a bunch of plastic Richard Nixon heads driving around.
59:33
I'm gonna get the one from Money Heist.
59:35
I'm gonna do the Dali Masks.
59:36
It'll be perfect.
59:38
Some guy Fox Maxes.
59:39
Yeah, a hundred percent.
59:41
This next one.
59:42
This is right up your alley, isn't it, Tanya?
59:44
I mean, if you're, if you're so stupid to do a crime and post it on social
59:47
media, like I don't feel sorry for you.
59:49
That's the modern age Darwinism happening right there.
59:53
Like my God, man, charged after bragging in a selfie.
59:57
Selfie of tire theft.
59:59
We all know that social media is a pit and we're never sure if anybody's actually
1:00:04
watching, but how brazen do you have to be to be like, yo, look at me, dude.
1:00:09
And all the tires and wheels that I stole from the dealership, 22-year-old
1:00:12
Connecticut man said on Instagram, brazen.
1:00:15
How stupid are you mentally challenged, no offense like.
1:00:20
Are you just incapable of of reasoning?
1:00:22
What makes me sad is he got more likes on those posts than we
1:00:26
will ever get cumulatively on all of our social media posts.
1:00:29
And that's the real pit of despair.
1:00:31
That is social media.
1:00:33
That's the pit of despair, that's humanity.
1:00:37
Yeah.
1:00:37
So remember to like subscribe to at Motoring Podcast Network on social media.
1:00:41
Thank you.
1:00:44
All right.
1:00:44
I couldn't decide how to round it out, but I think I'm gonna save, not gonna
1:00:49
put Florida man as the last one, but this is, there's a video here as well.
1:00:52
And for whatever reason about halfway through just repeats,
1:00:55
it shows the same thing.
1:00:56
It's not a whole thing to watch, but this Florida man casually offers
1:00:59
a vodka spritzer to the police officer during a police chase.
1:01:03
This Floridian was just driving in circles around some.
1:01:07
Parking lot.
1:01:08
And then the cops showed up and they tried to pull him over on foot or whatever.
1:01:12
And as he is driving by him, he's holding the vodka spritzer out the
1:01:15
window and basically it's like, you guys want one or something.
1:01:19
Nonetheless, he then speeds away, tries to evade the cops.
1:01:23
They do some spike strips.
1:01:25
What does this need for speed to the spike strips?
1:01:28
Deploy the helicopter.
1:01:29
But you said he was in a parking lot, so he left the parking lot.
1:01:32
Oh, go, go.
1:01:33
Yeah.
1:01:34
I was like, hang on.
1:01:35
They deployed spike strips in the parking lot.
1:01:36
No, no, no, no, no, no.
1:01:37
He was in the parking.
1:01:38
He left the parking lot.
1:01:39
I think they went like a couple miles down the road.
1:01:42
Not only did.
1:01:43
The spike strip.
1:01:44
Then you see like later when they finally have him stopped, I think
1:01:47
another SUV rammed into him.
1:01:49
So these Canadian pacificas put good tires on there.
1:01:53
They're Korean from the factory, by the way.
1:01:55
I know that, but So you should watch the video.
1:01:57
They got him.
1:01:58
They said, get outta the car, put your hands up, get down
1:02:00
on the ground, or whatever.
1:02:02
He doesn't comply because he was offering them a white claw, so they had to respond.
1:02:08
Oh boy.
1:02:09
Dude goes down like a feld tree.
1:02:12
Did they tase him?
1:02:13
He's barefoot too.
1:02:14
It's funny.
1:02:15
He's becomes outta that van barefoot if they tase his ass and he just lump.
1:02:19
And then when they finally like cut the video back to when they woken him up,
1:02:23
he goes, you guys had fun though, right?
1:02:28
How many vodka spritzers did he have?
1:02:30
And his head looks like he hit more than just a pavement.
1:02:34
Well, I think he's got face tattoos and stuff too.
1:02:36
He's all bloodied up and everything.
1:02:38
I swear this is, it's like a jackass video.
1:02:41
He also wasn't a head on collision.
1:02:42
So if Daniel was a Florida man, this
1:02:48
my cousin, and it would be a square body.
1:02:50
Oh my god.
1:02:51
A square body might have survived and it would be a bottle of jack, not a spritzer.
1:02:55
All right, so this last one is so far I. Taking the top prize of insanity,
1:03:01
and this is the theme of people that are just nuts, like the Lexus guy.
1:03:06
So you really gotta like, watch the, this woman.
1:03:10
So apparently the, the driver of this Nissan like honked at her because she cut
1:03:15
out in front of her and the Nissan lady had to slam on her brakes not to hit her.
1:03:18
So she honked the horn.
1:03:19
This woman gets out of her car, gets on the hood of this woman's car,
1:03:23
starts yelling, she's gonna kill her.
1:03:25
Rips the windshield wipers off, starts beating on the glass.
1:03:28
I was filled with my own rage watching this.
1:03:31
'cause I was like, if I was in that car and this woman was on my car beating
1:03:36
it, I don't know what I would've done.
1:03:38
I would, I would've hit the gas and I would put it in reverse.
1:03:41
I would hit reverse and knocked her ass off the car.
1:03:44
Person in the car isn't even reacting.
1:03:46
Are we sure this wasn't like a stunt?
1:03:47
Well, they arrested that lady.
1:03:48
No.
1:03:49
So they interviewed the woman in the car.
1:03:51
I don't know.
1:03:51
To her credit, she remained perfectly calm and let that woman rage out.
1:03:55
I guess she, I don't know if she called 9 1 1 or other people apparently stopped,
1:03:58
took the keys outta the other woman's car while she was busy banging on this woman.
1:04:01
Some dude like went and took the keys outta her car and then she stopped, tried
1:04:04
to get in her car, couldn't start it.
1:04:07
And then she started like going at the dude who took her keys.
1:04:11
She also seemed like she might have been strung out on something.
1:04:14
So I'm wondering if she had an overreaction to this situation.
1:04:17
How many people were filming this?
1:04:19
Because there's like four camera angles goes back to our
1:04:22
social media humanity crisis.
1:04:25
Instead of helping, instead of like four people going and grabbing this woman,
1:04:28
which actually they probably shouldn't because then they end up getting sued.
1:04:31
'cause that's the humanity we also live in.
1:04:34
Yeah.
1:04:34
They just sit there and film instead.
1:04:35
That is amazing stuff.
1:04:37
Springtime is the best time for the crazies to come out.
1:04:41
They're outta hibernation now.
1:04:42
They're getting those D vitamins from the sun and all that.
1:04:45
They're just like, they are ready to rock and roll.
1:04:47
Woo Damn Florida.
1:04:49
Except this was in Brad's backyard.
1:04:51
Yeah, I just, I just realized that this is in Virginia.
1:04:53
This is on the way to VIR.
1:04:55
Well folks, we've reached that point of the episode.
1:04:58
The most important part.
1:04:59
So this really should be a showcase.
1:05:01
We're gonna go behind the pit wall, talk about motor sports
1:05:04
news, and before we talk about.
1:05:07
The really, really important stuff.
1:05:08
I wanna highlight a couple of things for you guys.
1:05:10
WRC, I know I said I wasn't gonna talk about WRC and I'm
1:05:14
not wasting my time on WRC.
1:05:16
This was this season.
1:05:17
You guys have convinced me to devote my life to Formula One.
1:05:21
Oh my God, for the year 2025.
1:05:23
Violin.
1:05:24
Oh, it's a big violin.
1:05:25
We're gonna get to it here in a second.
1:05:27
WRC, I gotta hand it to 'em.
1:05:29
They're gonna be the first one in the FIA to bring back swearing.
1:05:33
So watch out Formula One.
1:05:34
Watch out Max.
1:05:35
For staffing.
1:05:36
You can curse all you want because Rally is leading the charge.
1:05:40
Yeah, I don't think so.
1:05:43
Just wait.
1:05:44
Just wait.
1:05:44
They people own WRC.
1:05:46
It's all the FIA.
1:05:48
All right.
1:05:49
All right.
1:05:49
Meanwhile, in WEC, IMSA and SRO News, we talked earlier about Hyundai coming
1:05:54
to LAMA and going into endurance racing.
1:05:58
Well, they're not the only ones that have announced that they're going in
1:06:01
back into the greatest race in the world.
1:06:03
Ford had announced Aston Martin is made a comeback.
1:06:06
You saw them racing their new car at Sebring earlier.
1:06:09
This.
1:06:09
Season, but also McLaren is throwing their name and they haven't run a car
1:06:15
since the McLaren F1 back in the nineties.
1:06:18
So they're coming back to WEC in 2027.
1:06:21
So if everybody sticks around, let's just say Cadillac and EO and Porsche
1:06:25
and Ferrari, everybody's there in two years, it is going to be one
1:06:28
of the most spectacular LAMA we've ever seen because that front end
1:06:33
GTP class is going to be jam packed.
1:06:36
They're not even gonna let LMP two cars run.
1:06:38
That's how many manufacturers there's gonna be and it's
1:06:40
gonna be freaking awesome.
1:06:41
It's gonna be like the old days when you just saw prototype
1:06:45
after prototype after prototype.
1:06:46
And I am super stoked to see more and more brands pony and up to run at lama.
1:06:51
So speaking of lama, I just wanna drop this in there as well.
1:06:54
The A-C-O-U-S-A who we proudly partner with as part of our evening with the
1:06:57
Legend series is sponsoring not one LAMA viewing party this year, but.
1:07:02
Two ding, ding, ding.
1:07:04
That's two.
1:07:05
One will be held at the A RCF.
1:07:07
That's the Automobile Racing Club of Florida at Sebring International Raceway.
1:07:11
And that'll be start to dark at Sebring.
1:07:14
And the second one, some of us from the Motoring Podcast Network
1:07:18
will be attending and helping to be part of Simione Foundation Museums.
1:07:22
24 hour viewing and camp out as they like to call it event at
1:07:26
their museum in Philadelphia.
1:07:28
So there's a full schedule of not only events that are happening at the Sione
1:07:32
Museum, but also the round the clock demos that they'll be running of famous
1:07:38
cars like the Paisley nine 17 Ferraris, Aston Martin, DBR one Jaguars, and
1:07:44
things like that, that they'll be running all throughout the day and the night
1:07:47
there in the parking lot of the museum.
1:07:49
So if you wanna come and meet Legends of Lama, if you wanna meet some of the
1:07:52
folks from the NPN, we will be at the Ion Foundation over LAMA weekend and you can
1:07:57
buy tickets for as cheap as $24 because of the 24 hours of Lama, I've delayed enough.
1:08:03
I've procrastinated.
1:08:05
We have to talk about formula.
1:08:06
Uh.
1:08:17
Again, I've devoted 2025 to watching every race to the Formula one.
1:08:21
See you guys.
1:08:22
I didn't know you called me out.
1:08:24
You said, what do I know?
1:08:25
I'm not a fan.
1:08:27
I don't watch blah, blah, blah, yada yada.
1:08:30
Hamilton's gonna be the best.
1:08:31
You're gonna see Ferrari, blah, blah, blah.
1:08:34
The Mercedes is inferior.
1:08:36
I don't think we went that far.
1:08:37
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:08:39
I think we've just said we couldn't count him out yet.
1:08:41
Yeah.
1:08:42
We said he's not gonna be a back marker.
1:08:44
Like Eric said he was going to be.
1:08:46
Oh, really?
1:08:47
Oh really?
1:08:47
And I told you, and I'll put money on this, that by the third race I.
1:08:51
He would cement exactly how he was gonna do for the rest of the season.
1:08:54
And we're at what race?
1:08:55
Five now?
1:08:56
Yes.
1:08:57
We've had five races I would say.
1:09:00
I don't know yet.
1:09:01
He, he's not gonna win a championship this year, that's for sure.
1:09:04
Not gonna win one next year either.
1:09:05
He's so far been in the top 10 for the five races.
1:09:08
Ninth is in the top 10.
1:09:10
Yeah, you're right.
1:09:10
No, he's currently sixth in points.
1:09:13
He's not ninth.
1:09:14
His best finish was fifth.
1:09:15
Technically his best finish was first in the sprint race.
1:09:18
It doesn't count.
1:09:19
But nonetheless, ball rain in the middle of that race.
1:09:22
Both he and Le Claire, there was like a light switch moment where they
1:09:26
were like flying around the track.
1:09:28
I don't know what turbo mushroom they got when they went into
1:09:30
pit, when they came back out.
1:09:32
I mean there was like night and day and they were like flying around the track.
1:09:35
They were gaining time and then it's like, I think they went back for like
1:09:38
another pit stop and suddenly like the mushroom wore off or something.
1:09:41
So that was disappointing.
1:09:42
It's like, remember Mario Kart 64 where you got the gold mushroom?
1:09:46
And you kept hitting the button as fast as you could.
1:09:48
Yes.
1:09:49
Because you wanted to go, you know, the super boost and then when
1:09:51
it ran out you were like, oh no, that was the middle of that race.
1:09:55
It was like, holy shit.
1:09:56
Like the Ferrari suddenly like work software upgrade.
1:09:59
Yeah.
1:10:00
They didn't pay their subscription fees.
1:10:01
Yeah, it was what it was.
1:10:03
They only did a temporary subscription.
1:10:05
It was.
1:10:05
First 30 minutes free, wasn't it?
1:10:07
That there wasn't there a yellow and they had put mediums on and everybody
1:10:11
else put sauce or something like that.
1:10:12
Their pit strategy is garbage.
1:10:14
Yes.
1:10:15
It was something with the tires, like they were doing really well on the tires they
1:10:17
had and then they switched off of them and then suddenly it was like garbage.
1:10:20
And it was like, why did you switch to these?
1:10:21
'cause you already knew from another team that these were
1:10:23
garbage and yet you chose them.
1:10:25
Winning strategy.
1:10:26
Great job.
1:10:27
Well, Ferrari's gonna Ferrari.
1:10:28
Yeah.
1:10:29
And they do.
1:10:30
It's so dumb.
1:10:30
Unfortunately, if you'd watch the last like three, four seasons, they
1:10:34
literally make the most bonehead.
1:10:37
Decisions, whether it's timing of pitting their people, the order
1:10:41
of pitting them, team orders in general, the value of their pit stops,
1:10:45
the value of their tire choices.
1:10:47
They usually make the most astine choices, and then they
1:10:51
suffer and they lose position.
1:10:52
So yes, Ferrari's gonna, Ferrari has become a thing because of the
1:10:55
way they've managed themselves over the last several seasons.
1:10:58
As a Tizi, I'm gonna die of a very old age, like I'm gonna live to be 200 waiting
1:11:03
for Ferrari to win a championship again.
1:11:05
Like this is unreal.
1:11:07
The Keystone cop garbage that I've been watching, like this is why
1:11:10
I stopped watching Formula One.
1:11:12
And every race is painful because it's like, what are you clowns doing?
1:11:16
And then last year, if you go back even to the Formula One special and all that
1:11:19
kind of stuff I talked about, you wanna tell me that Mercedes can't build a car?
1:11:23
You guys are, oh, what's inferior?
1:11:25
And Adrian Newey.
1:11:26
Over a Red Bull.
1:11:27
It was.
1:11:29
It was Period.
1:11:29
And it's all bullshit.
1:11:30
It's all bullshit.
1:11:31
No.
1:11:31
Adrian Newey goes to Aston Martin and nothing changes.
1:11:34
He's not doing anything yet, that's why.
1:11:36
Well, yeah, because apparently they're making cars with scribes and ads
1:11:40
and stuff from the Egyptian period.
1:11:42
I don't know what the deal is with this magician, Adrian Newey.
1:11:46
Okay.
1:11:46
That apparently anytime he's been on the team that they've won the
1:11:49
Constructors for like the last 30 years or something like that.
1:11:52
I don't have any idea.
1:11:53
I really couldn't give a shit.
1:11:54
But if you watch the other races, the straight line speed and the out
1:11:58
of cornering speed of the Red Bull was incomparable with anybody else.
1:12:02
They were cheating.
1:12:03
It passed the Mercedes and shit like it was parked in the paddock.
1:12:06
But the Mercedes this year, because they do upgrades every year at
1:12:10
the end of the season, the car is different and they change something.
1:12:13
Does Ferrari do downgrades every year?
1:12:15
Yes.
1:12:16
Yes they do.
1:12:16
Downgrades?
1:12:17
Yes, a hundred percent.
1:12:18
Just like Mercedes did a big downgrade last year 'cause their car was
1:12:22
garbage compared to the year before.
1:12:24
Apparently they can't get their electronics right as we saw with Russell.
1:12:27
Which race was it?
1:12:28
Bahrain?
1:12:29
I don't remember.
1:12:30
But yeah, his timing system basically shut the whole everything down on the
1:12:34
track and he still survived without it.
1:12:37
It was amazing.
1:12:38
Well, he barely made it because on like the last lap, it was like his whole car.
1:12:42
Remember I joked, it was like, I was like, dude is like gonna have total
1:12:45
electrical failure and he is gonna not make it to the end of the race.
1:12:48
It was like the last lap.
1:12:49
He's like, uh, guys, uh, my steering wheel's not working anymore.
1:12:52
Like something wasn't working and it was like the car was shutting down.
1:12:55
Yeah.
1:12:55
I don't think he had any more lap in it.
1:12:58
Outside of all that.
1:12:59
I mean, Mercedes is doing great.
1:13:00
Red Bull's doing Red Bull, Ferraris, whatever.
1:13:03
China was, meh.
1:13:04
Suzuka was a complete snooze fest.
1:13:08
So boring for such a legacy track with so much character and so much history.
1:13:12
And you watch the old races of, you know, Sena at Suzuka, the track
1:13:16
hasn't changed other than the repaid.
1:13:18
The cars have changed.
1:13:19
The cars are twice as long as Senna's days.
1:13:21
Yeah, I mean it's an exaggeration, but they're so much bigger.
1:13:24
The rules are different.
1:13:26
The parody is different.
1:13:27
So boring.
1:13:29
Basically watching it to finally one day be there to see something happen.
1:13:33
Because honestly, after the first couple opening laps where you're
1:13:36
checking to see if they don't wreck and turn one or wreck anywhere in the
1:13:39
first lap, it basically becomes an HPD where they're just going around awful.
1:13:44
And then Bahrain was the most exciting race so far.
1:13:47
Hands down.
1:13:48
That was really good.
1:13:49
And then Saudi is like a go-kart track.
1:13:52
There is no space.
1:13:54
There's zero space for error, as we saw with Sonota in the
1:13:57
second turn of the first lap.
1:13:59
What the heck are you guys doing?
1:14:00
And then.
1:14:00
You know, max cutting off, turn two because there was no room and
1:14:03
that whole debate and debacle.
1:14:05
But that track was boring.
1:14:06
Like once they set their pace, it wasn't any better than Monaco
1:14:09
where there's, there's no room to pass because the cars are too big.
1:14:12
So the whole excitement of Formula One in the old days was then
1:14:15
cutting it up and dicing it up.
1:14:16
And why can't we go back to the smaller wheel based card?
1:14:19
'cause then they'd be slower and then they can't be slower.
1:14:23
Do they really have to do 200 miles an hour?
1:14:25
I mean, that's what the endurance cars do, right?
1:14:27
Or more than 200 to do like two 30, but they've got the space to do it.
1:14:31
I think they should go back to manual gear boxes also to make it more interesting.
1:14:34
Yeah.
1:14:35
The whole tire thing is dumb and the pit stop strategies are weird and
1:14:39
well, and there's no more refueling.
1:14:40
So you took that variable out of it.
1:14:42
Like you didn't have the guy running outta fuel in the last lap, you
1:14:44
know, had the minimum fuel load.
1:14:46
So it was lightweight and going faster and miscalculated.
1:14:48
I noticed this year they got rid of the whole energy thing where they have
1:14:52
the virtual refueling that's gone.
1:14:54
Right.
1:14:54
I haven't seen that again.
1:14:55
They don't really highlight it too much.
1:14:57
That was an F1.
1:14:58
That was in M ssa.
1:15:00
That was uh Lama.
1:15:01
Oh, maybe you're right.
1:15:02
There is a thing where they gotta do something but they
1:15:04
don't usually publicize.
1:15:06
Well anyway, Hamilton is not doing so great.
1:15:08
He's not impressing.
1:15:09
There's lots of excuses, if you will.
1:15:11
That's the right word for it.
1:15:13
I know if you wanna say excuses, but explanations that he gives.
1:15:15
I like the latest one he was talking about was how different the brakes on
1:15:20
the Ferrari are from what he is used to.
1:15:21
And he said, we made a point of saying that he is never engine braked.
1:15:25
Like ever.
1:15:26
And that's something that you do in the Ferraris.
1:15:28
And so he is not used to it.
1:15:29
Which if that's true, I mean, you could lose a lot of time if
1:15:33
your break points aren't correct.
1:15:34
But if they're using engine braking, then that means they can go deeper
1:15:38
into the corners and use the engine to help slow the car down.
1:15:41
It's not like the braking zones became longer as a result of it.
1:15:43
'cause Le Claire isn't complaining about those problems.
1:15:46
Yeah.
1:15:46
But Le Claire's been driving the car for like five seasons or
1:15:49
something, so he's gotten used to it.
1:15:51
Million time world champion.
1:15:52
Louis Hamilton doesn't know how to drive a Formula one car.
1:15:54
Is that what you're telling me?
1:15:55
I've never driven a Formula One car.
1:15:57
I don't know how easy it is to go from one to the other.
1:16:00
It's like spec me.
1:16:01
They're all the same, right?
1:16:02
I mean, come on.
1:16:04
I mean, in theory the, it's all the same, but how do you eek out your 12 tenths.
1:16:08
Yeah, you eek it out when you're 18 years old and not 40 or 65 like Alonzo.
1:16:14
And that might be true, although Alonzo had like, I forget how many,
1:16:17
like a hundred points last season.
1:16:19
Like he actually podiums once, no, in the first like 10 races.
1:16:23
I think he was on the podium every time.
1:16:25
And then the car like totally would became like an ass.
1:16:27
I don't know what they did.
1:16:28
They upgraded it.
1:16:29
They downgraded it.
1:16:30
Eric, you're just an ageist.
1:16:31
No, I, okay.
1:16:33
Look at the rest of the field.
1:16:34
The median age of the drivers.
1:16:37
I mean, come on.
1:16:37
They're all in their early twenties.
1:16:39
It's funny how he like rooting against, 'cause in fact, like I'd
1:16:42
love to see somebody who's 40 years old go out and kick the ass of all
1:16:45
the 18-year-old new rookie drivers.
1:16:48
Yeah, I, I think he's just being contrarian because people like
1:16:51
Lewis probably like, oh fuck, Lewis Hamilton, he never liked Lewis.
1:16:55
So that's part of it too.
1:16:56
This is just like when Lada spent one too many seasons behind the wheel and he
1:17:00
should have retired earlier than he did.
1:17:02
I mean, that's probably true, but they've all done it.
1:17:04
Schumacher.
1:17:05
Should have stopped those two seasons with Mercedes were crap.
1:17:08
He should have never done that.
1:17:09
Like a hundred percent.
1:17:10
I don't disagree with that.
1:17:11
And he was in his forties as well.
1:17:12
And no, I'm not saying that, you know, somebody in their forties
1:17:15
or 65 like Alonzo couldn't win a race or win a championship.
1:17:20
But the point is.
1:17:21
He's not showing any enthusiasm, like even the background shots of
1:17:25
Hamilton, like he's disconnected.
1:17:27
They keep saying he doesn't get along with his race engineer.
1:17:29
There's all these excuses, blah, blah, blah.
1:17:31
Then why did you leave Mercedes?
1:17:33
Because obviously the Mercedes suddenly got better overnight or did
1:17:36
it get better because you weren't there sucking in the driver's seat?
1:17:40
So which is it?
1:17:41
I am throwing shade, but I'm not trying to be any sort of way to be like, look,
1:17:44
if you can't do it, then hang it up.
1:17:46
There's a lot of young drivers in F two that wanna move up and other people
1:17:50
that want an opportunity, and both him and Alonzo are sucking up a seat as
1:17:54
the second chair collecting a paycheck.
1:17:57
Go do something else.
1:17:58
Go race at Lamont.
1:17:59
Go do touring car.
1:18:00
I don't care what you do.
1:18:01
But in Formula One, I think he's done.
1:18:03
I don't think even if Hamilton runs another couple of years.
1:18:06
And say he goes to 43 or 44 like Alonzo is, that's his real age folks.
1:18:11
That's another four years.
1:18:13
I don't think he's got a championship in the next four years.
1:18:16
I just don't see it.
1:18:17
I don't see it with Ferrari.
1:18:18
So who does he go to?
1:18:19
Is he gonna go Red Bull?
1:18:20
Is he gonna pull a Sena and go to like he did with going
1:18:22
to Williams in his last year?
1:18:24
And then Well that, we know how that ended.
1:18:25
But the point is.
1:18:27
All that shuffling around.
1:18:28
I think the younger guys, they just have the advantage and I've
1:18:31
been impressed 'cause we make fun.
1:18:33
Haas with Toyota has been doing really great this season and
1:18:37
Williams has been shockingly good.
1:18:39
Bottom of the barrel teams, unfortunately Salberg just there.
1:18:43
Williams was middle pack last year also.
1:18:46
So where they are right now is really no different than they're not suddenly
1:18:50
a magic that they've never been before.
1:18:53
Alban was doing pretty decently last year and then they've got the benefit of Carlos
1:18:58
in the other car, which he was a higher.
1:19:01
Position person when he was in Ferrari.
1:19:03
So there's obviously a difference between two cars 'cause he's not
1:19:06
in the top five at any point.
1:19:08
Again, they're putting the cars together with chisels and spoons or something.
1:19:11
I don't know.
1:19:11
But they're all the same.
1:19:12
It's, it's mi aup.
1:19:14
Right?
1:19:15
I that's what I'm saying.
1:19:16
He should be able to take poll and be first again.
1:19:18
Aston Martin should have come out the gate with Adrian Newey on the
1:19:21
payroll and won the championship.
1:19:23
Fernando Alonzo Champion 2025.
1:19:25
He's not, and you even read the article that said that Newey has gone in there
1:19:29
and said you all are sitting here with the most antiquated bullshit.
1:19:33
Yes.
1:19:33
20-year-old stuff.
1:19:34
What is he gonna work with?
1:19:36
It's gonna take him, God knows how many races and months before he gets
1:19:39
things, probably how he wants it.
1:19:40
And then he is gonna go somewhere else.
1:19:41
Pretty much.
1:19:42
Yeah.
1:19:42
Not as long as Daddy stroll's.
1:19:44
Pain.
1:19:44
Daddy wore once a dollar.
1:19:45
The Sonota Liam Lawson thing is hilarious.
1:19:49
It's not surprising at all to anyone who's, who knows how
1:19:52
the Red Bull people operate.
1:19:53
This was a zero shock and should have been seen coming a mile away.
1:19:58
It's amazing how they could just switch, but then.
1:20:00
It's not amazing because it's all the same team.
1:20:02
They have four cars.
1:20:04
One's a junior team and one's a senior team, and they can move
1:20:07
drivers around all day long.
1:20:08
It's not like they fired him.
1:20:09
They would've fired his ass anyway.
1:20:10
'cause they did that with the junior team last year.
1:20:12
They got rid of a driver completely.
1:20:14
Yeah.
1:20:14
If they didn't like suno enough to move him up, they probably
1:20:16
would've gotten somebody from anywhere else and brought him in.
1:20:19
They don't give a shit.
1:20:19
Do you think he's gonna make it to the end of the year?
1:20:21
I don't know.
1:20:22
Because if they're gonna, I don't know.
1:20:25
When he didn't crash out, he was okay.
1:20:27
He was better than Liam at least.
1:20:29
So they probably gonna give him a little bit more of a chance.
1:20:32
But if he starts wrecking every race or finishing in the bottom, I don't know
1:20:36
if there's like a driver swap limit in a season, they'll bring BOTAs in.
1:20:40
That's what they'll do.
1:20:41
Oh no.
1:20:41
It is a Mercedes as a backup driver.
1:20:43
Nevermind.
1:20:43
They'll bring back Checko a check.
1:20:45
Checko or Daniel Ricardo.
1:20:47
They're like, yeah, we'll settle for Ricardo.
1:20:49
It's fine.
1:20:49
We'll just bring him back.
1:20:50
It'll be okay.
1:20:51
It's gotta be better than this.
1:20:52
So there's other controversy going on, allegedly, supposedly, maybe.
1:20:57
This is again, hokey pokey, and I read this on the Audi Club news that
1:21:02
V tens could be returning, but Audi's not happy about that because that
1:21:06
goes against their whole EV thing.
1:21:08
So they're taking a stand and they might pull out, but they might stay in.
1:21:11
But I don't know what's going on, but I'm excited.
1:21:13
V tens returning to Formula One.
1:21:15
Hallelujah.
1:21:15
That's awesome.
1:21:16
The latest says they're not gonna do the V tens, but.
1:21:19
Who knows again, the hokey pokey.
1:21:21
But in some Formula one Florida man, you mentioned Carlos, you had me
1:21:26
cracking up about this the other day.
1:21:28
Phyllis in feel bad for the guy 'cause he got a 10,000 euro fine that he had
1:21:32
to pay for being five seconds late to the Japanese anthem as it was playing at
1:21:37
the very beginning of the festivities.
1:21:39
So with tariffs, that's like $50,000 if you do the math.
1:21:43
I mean, he's set to make $10 million this year.
1:21:45
Oh, it's nothing.
1:21:46
It's the, yeah, it's the equip.
1:21:47
It's 10 basis points.
1:21:49
It's it's point.
1:21:50
It's not that he can't afford it, it's nothing.
1:21:52
Yeah, it's the point.
1:21:52
It's like really?
1:21:54
It's like I was late 'cause I was having a bathroom emergency.
1:21:57
He's making a big stink about it.
1:21:59
He literally flushed money down the toilet.
1:22:01
Yeah, yeah.
1:22:02
And they have very strict protocols and rules in F1 about being where
1:22:06
you need to be and all that stuff.
1:22:07
And he actually received a 50% penalty 'cause they took pity on him.
1:22:11
And the reason he was late was because he literally had to go to the bathroom.
1:22:16
Number two.
1:22:17
He even has a medical doctor saying that he was having stomach issues
1:22:23
and that like legitimately, yeah.
1:22:25
Like he had to go to the bathroom and they, they were like, no, we're still
1:22:28
gonna give you a 10,000 Euro penalty.
1:22:30
So basically stand there and crap, your pants is the better answer than being
1:22:35
a human and having like a gastro issue.
1:22:38
He should get sponsored by Pepto.
1:22:40
That's what he should do.
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