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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP31 - Angels, Demons, & Heathenry! Feat. Richard McCune · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hail and welcome everyone to today's podcast.
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  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes.
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  It's been an interesting one for me to say the least.
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  appreciate you being here. and tuning in today, being a part of
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  it all Like I said before it was, it has been an interesting
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  week to say the least a lot of plans that had been, you know,
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  set in place or made didn't pan out for a variety of reasons.
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  We're going to talk a bit about it today though.
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  We're going to we're going to we're going to get into it all.
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  So we got a guest coming on here shortly.
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  It's going to be my good friend and dear brother Richard McCune.
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  He's been on the podcast before actually and he is not Heathen.
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  Like, I've mentioned a number of times.
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  He's also been on the YouTube channel, but he is one of those
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  folks who are, you know, the most Heathen, non Heathen that I
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  No, just his outlook on life is his, you know, it's pretty, I
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  think you might want to say eclectic in his spirituality or
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  whatever. We're going to talk more about
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  today because what Richard wanted to do is be really wanted
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  to get into like the meat potatoes of, of some of the
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  stuff that he believes in and wants to get down, as he puts
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  it, you know, get the gloves off.
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  Take the gloves off and talk more about some of his stuff.
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  So there's going to be dialogue back and forth between And I
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  November. So really looking forward to
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  having more special guests on here.
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  So, without further Ado, let's go ahead and welcome in richer
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  today and see what he has to talk about about his beliefs.
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  Is enochian. I don't know if enochian is the
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  right. I mean, it's enochian Keys
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  enochian magic. He subscribes to a lot of the
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  philosophies and some of the spiritualities.
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  We're going to talk more about that when he comes on here.
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  So, let's go ahead and welcome in Richard.
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  Now. All right, folks, like I said,
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  here's a Richard McCune gave him, gave you guys a brief intro
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  about who who this guy is? Who this brother of mine is and
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  so, yeah, Richard, why don't you just introduce yourself again
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  for everybody real quick. Hey well my name is Richard
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  McCune and I practice I guess a different type of religion and
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  faith that he was, you could say, philosophy tend to have an
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  Okie and beliefs kind of built around Some other ideas beliefs
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  that I've come up with over the years.
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  It's not any anything in particular.
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  It's just I was just Kind of like what is worrying?
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  Kind of whatever works. Yeah as throw me the bag and see
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  what happens. Big old big old crock pot of
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  weird stuff right? Yeah and even some I'm starting
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  to get back into some I guess no key and Magic getting in more
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  into the blue stuff. Yeah you know I don't know man
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  if it's if it's just me or if it's a lot of folks that I mean
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  I guess it's a lot of folks that I'm Kind of just connected with.
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  But like this time of year, I talked about this a bit on the
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  last podcast, but like this time of year, it almost is like a You
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  know, for all of us that are into a bit of like the
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  alternative spiritualities, you know, whether it's paganism or
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  any other sort of a cult eclectic, you know, spirituality
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  is like this time of year is like everything's dialed in
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  really, really like, you know what I'm saying?
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  You know, like go. So now to get into, like, the
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  woowoo stuff for the, you know, the more friendly with stuff.
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  This is the time of year, right? Yeah.
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  Do you think that that's the think that that has anything?
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  I mean, you know, we're Talking right now and it's, you know, a
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  couple of weeks before. Well it's literally I think
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  what's today? The 11th at the time of this
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  recording so by the time this airs, it'll be really Thursday.
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  So for the folks that are watching and listening, you
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  know, it's the 14th, I'm doing my math, right?
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  And some like that. Yeah, something like that.
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  So like for you know, for me and my folks, you know, winter
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  nights is right around the corner and then you've got
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  Samhain which is right around the corner after that.
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  And it's just do you do you have anything that you said that, you
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  know, is equivalent to that, or you just kind of like in tune
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  with a little bit of everything in your?
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  Um, I just, you know, I feel like we're having this
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  conversation now about, you know, exploring our spirituality
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  and what, regardless of what it is, whether it's paganism or
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  anything else. And it's just, I think it's the
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  timing of it. All is pretty.
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  Yeah, you know, important just kind of in general for me
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  anytime there's a full moon, there's a lot of energy there
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  and that's usually when I'm pretty well connected what I
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  mean by that is connected to my deity that I believe in and also
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  a big month for me is August is when he's got the most power.
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  So I never to me Halloween is just another day for me, right?
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  All right. No, there's a full moon going
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  on, you know, whenever there's a full moon going on this month,
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  that is usually when I'll put some of my energy out to the
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  universe and things, I might want to stay or, you know,
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  someone to commune with my daddy.
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  A little bit of not necessarily try to summon or anything like
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  that. Nothing too crazy.
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  Not trying to not try to. Sacrifice goats here but not
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  this week. Maybe, maybe next week Memphis
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  with you know the price of goats is so high.
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  These days, you know, you goes to is putting out a new out.
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  So there might be some, there might be some sacrificing going
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  on. I mean, there's almost
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  definitely going to be something happening.
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  I mean winning when we talking about ghosts over here, you
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  know, I mean, inter's wound. Yeah, I love that.
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  They like, they have this, this ongoing It's almost like every
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  album is is a concept album, but there's this like this Kang
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  going Saga, you know, with each album and that, you know,
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  there's a new, you know, you got the, what is it Papa?
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  What does he know? Is he for his, is it the 450 I
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  couldn't keep? I've been losing track because
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  he had, you know, Cardinal and you had just yeah.
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  It's what's wild man in the but they really put a lot into it.
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  You can tell like there's there's a very ritualistic
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  Theater aspects. I think to it all, he was
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  talking about the new song and so he kind of touched a topic
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  was not really too familiar with.
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  I don't really know a lot about it.
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  But he were, he made reference to the eye.
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  He was looking for ideas, for writing a song and he came
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  across Harvest Moon and as he was doing research on Harvest
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  Moon. When he came across Hunter's
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  Moon, which takes place during it, you know, around Halloween
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  time. So we have Harvest Moon, which
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  Takes place. During winter does take place.
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  Yeah, I'd see it. It's like we just passed the we
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  just passed the Harvest Moon. Like for us you know for like
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  historical heathens that are very in tune with how like
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  perhaps the the you know pre-christian Germanic tribes
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  kept in held there you know holy tides and their and their
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  special days and events and stuff.
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  The winter nights which is coming up Was was very, it was a
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  very pivotal and very important time of year because you know,
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  it's preparing for the dark darkness, preparing for the
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  winter months, but the Harvest Moon that was just literally
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  this past full moon, I think was also you know at least for us
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  here in like North America. You know, it's always think that
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  that's important to it's cool to get into like the historical
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  side but you got to be regionally, you know, in tune
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  with with that whole thing. If Are in a part of the world,
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  that doesn't. It doesn't really Jive that well
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  like it's kind of like my whole purpose is lost, you know, like
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  you're just doing it because well, that's what the ancient
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  heathens did. Well, why are you doing what
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  you're doing now? How are you?
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  You know, observing your Heathen right now or whatever?
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  How are you doing your practice? Now which I think is interesting
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  because like you mentioned before and so like what I wanted
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  to call to attention, right? That fact that, you know, we've
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  talked a little bit about your beliefs.
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  We did a, we did a video a year or two ago.
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  I think it was weird. Like asked you a few questions.
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  So and then back here on the podcast, almost a year ago it
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  was it was I think the end of last year, beginning of this
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  year somewhere. Yeah.
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  It was for the I like the anniversary thing.
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  Yep. And you were on.
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  Yeah. You were on the, the livestream.
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  I mean, you've in your face and your voice has been heard on
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  this platform and number of times and I wanted to, you know,
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  make mention of the fact that, you know, the last time you and
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  I spoke offline. It was like I want to get I want
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  to you know go in here and kind of like take the gloves off
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  about this whole yeah you know discussion.
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  So I'm really anxious to see like where this goes and how it
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  how it transpires because you know, you're talking about you
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  know, communicating with as you say, you know, your deity and
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  this, you know, enochian, magic, and full moons and energy and
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  it's all very cryptic to maybe the untrained or uneducated
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  Minds our ears. So what the hell are you talking
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  about? I guess this is like legit segue
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  into that way. You talking about like talking
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  to your D. Like what does that all like,
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  let's talk about it. Like, what does that look like?
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  How is that? What in hand?
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  Who are you talking about? When you say we're DL?
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  Yeah. So the DD that I follow is
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  astaroth and for a lot of do don't know that a simple Google
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  search will give you your answer is the Google results.
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  Going to be something that's accurate because, you know,
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  there's a lot of misinformation out there.
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  So if anybody just looks at the Wikipedia article or whatever,
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  about the Wicked, the wicked, her office.
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  Yeah, the Wikipedia page about him is pretty accurate.
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  Most part doesn't give you all the information, there's a lot
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  more, you can look up, you know, and you have to do some digging
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  after that. And you have to really Decide on
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  whether you want to take it at face value, or not.
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  Because Yeah, that's really up to you at that point.
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  So, you know, for anyone that's just like listening and whatnot
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  right now and it's like, okay well I don't want to Google it
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  right now. I'm looking at like it's
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  mythology dotnet and asteroth is it says fast facts.
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  He's classified as a demon. Gives him some other Aliases,
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  you know, Ash to Roth versus asteroth great Duke of Hell
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  thought to have. Originally been part of King
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  Solomon's household. That's pretty interesting.
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  Knowledge of the past present future knowledge of Sciences.
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  Knowledge is of the Creations creation story and can grant
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  power over serpents. And he's a ruler of 40 Legions.
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  Of Souls and Spirits. Yeah.
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  So is that like a crash course in to who asteroth is?
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  Yeah, that's pretty much true that you're going to find that
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  phrase and, you know, Aleister Crowley books or, you know, or
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  different translations of that, you know, throwing throughout
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  so, trying to think, I think your So, when the, when you were
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  talking about, you know, Science and Mathematics.
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  I tend to take that a different way.
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  Not, we're not, we're not summoning him to talk about one
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  plus one here, it's more. I kind of take that as an
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  intelligence conversation, I kind of take a different
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  painting with that. Just as a whole that's you know,
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  intelligent intelligent conversation wisdom.
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  Yeah. So I wouldn't be on the 101 type
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  stuff. You know.
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  More of the advanced studies. May be kind of thing.
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  Yes. So if we're looking at some of
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  the tough questions about Looking to post some of the
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  tough questions about him or about loo looking to seek
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  answers about the universe energy other deities, maybe
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  though, that's the that's, that's who you want to want one
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  to summon. Or he's also the easiest to
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  some, he doesn't really work. Fire sacrifice per se, okay?
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  Or is it so yeah, some do require some sort of tribute,
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  usually some energy like, drop of blood or or sometimes
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  something a little bit more. He does does not really, I
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  haven't read anywhere where each requires any sort of.
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  Big sacrifice or anything like that.
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  And I think that's kind of getting a little out there for
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  me. I think you can speak to any
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  type of energy without any sort of sacrifice or anything like
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  that. Thank you, few 3 energy out
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  there. The universe responding time.
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  Yeah, I'm uh, so that's something I don't really
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  believe. And I don't really believe in
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  making sacrifices and, you know, and things like that.
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  Now, it's interesting. I'm like just reading this site
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  and, again, it's just like, one of the first things that I
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  pulled up that wasn't like a Wikipedia article or a fandom
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  page or something about a figure in some sort of, you know, pop
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  culture, I don't know, game, or, or anime or something.
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  It says that. If you are able to summon
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  astaroth, you find that the demon is quite forthcoming with
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  information and always answers truthfully and that he's
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  especially fond of telling people the creation story and
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  the tail regarding the fall of the angels and the old world,
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  what is that? What is it?
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  What is, what are we talking about with that?
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  What is, what is that whole thing touching on?
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  I know we've talked about like, you and I've talked about
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  separately The Book of Enoch. Hmm.
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  And where these stories go more in depth, but maybe if you just
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  can like summarize it a bit for people, not knowing.
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  So to some who may not follow the Book of Enoch, or what.
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  That is basically saying is, you know, we'll talk about the fall,
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  you know, the cast out of Heaven to Hell, And but because of my
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  beliefs, because I believe in take the teachings of the Book
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  of Enoch to me that it represents the fall to Earth.
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  And there's a big difference there.
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  I don't really believe in the concept of Hell which concept
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  like the Christian concept of like if a place of Eternal
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  damnation torment in that whole sort of thing.
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  Gotcha. Yeah.
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  Yeah, because I mean what I remember from The Book of Enoch,
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  I mean, so a lot of all a lot of that stuff is going to be very
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  focused on figures that you would hear about and come across
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  in Christianity Angels, you know, demons.
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  God as a singular or secular being as it were and this Battle
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  or or this kind of Rift that that takes place amongst The
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  Ether or the the in the Realms of the Sacred.
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  Whether it's, you know, God and the angels and the demons and
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  there's this like battle that it kind of takes place.
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  Am I right? Like am I remembering it
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  correctly? And there's this like an
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  uprising almost or or a mutiny kind of to overthrow this guy.
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  After this, the supreme god and why is that like what's going
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  on? So that part is not your.
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  I don't think you're going to really find that in any sort of
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  books. However, if you do commune with
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  as to Roth, you'll definitely lose you to that.
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  So you're not going to find that in any sort of book, so it
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  really makes it hard to put forth in, you know, some
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  evidence. To back up that claim.
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  I mean when we say evidence I mean this is all like this is
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  all lore that we're talking about.
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  I mean this is you're not going to buy this on the internet.
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  You're not going to find this on Google.
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  This is you're going to your this is going to be a personal
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  experience for you. yes, and So yeah, yeah.
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  That's basically what I can't do anything but what brought you
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  into this whole path? Because I mean from from anyone,
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  maybe that doesn't have any understanding or background or
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  about the occult or any other sort of like whether you call
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  left hand path or Satanism, a lot of what we're talking about
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  mentioning of names and stuff, like these figures are also
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  present in those Sorts of beliefs to write.
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  I mean it's yeah you know so but as we all know Damon is also
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  another meaning for Angel. Yeah so it really depends on how
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  you use those words, right? Yeah and I think the the the
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  negative connotations of them being one in the like angels
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  versus demons it's you know that angels are on God's side and
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  demons are on the devil's side and you know that that's a big.
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  I think that comes from And the battle against you.
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  No good versus evil God versus Satan.
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  Do the same thing. They just vary in different
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  cultures. The truth.
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  I guess. People don't want to hear the
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  truth. Yeah, no, yeah, it's like, you
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  know, it does there's there's always whether you know, in
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  Heathen re it's, you know, Chaos versus older, you know, it's the
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  Oten against the god Against The Gods, which the Oten are a race
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  of the Gods, it's just that, they're they're focused, they're
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  there in 10. Is to destroy and to be chaotic
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  into, you know, dismantle the order that is set.
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  By the gods, you know, the natural order of things.
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  So there's this constant, you know, struggle between them
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  that, you know, and that's that's, that's the mythology
• 27:18
  aspect. But we see it in nature.
• 27:20
  You know what I mean that there's always there's always
• 27:22
  struggles between, you know, maintaining order.
• 27:27
  And then there's those destructive forces that come in
• 27:29
  and and tear things apart and then there's the rebuilding of
• 27:33
  it all. There's The Rebirth of this
• 27:35
  whole cyclic or cyclic Aspect of life and reality, you know.
• 27:43
  So whatever name you want to put to it, you know, is it, you
• 27:46
  know, Angels and Demons is it God and Satan, is it, you know,
• 27:51
  the gods and the Giants. Is it, what is it?
• 27:54
  You know it's yeah. And, you know, it's all about, I
• 27:57
  think, you know, and of the Book of Enoch, you know?
• 28:02
  They make reference to the the Watchers and the Watchers were
• 28:06
  these Fallen Angels Came Down to Earth and watch over the humans.
• 28:14
  And There's not any mention of that in the Bible.
• 28:22
  Yeah, yeah. Now I remember coming from, you
• 28:26
  know, or like first being exposed to the Book of Enoch.
• 28:31
  When you first like you, and I first started talking about this
• 28:34
  kind of thing because, you know, for the years that you and I
• 28:37
  have known each other. We really only started getting
• 28:39
  into this type of conversations relatively recently like in the
• 28:42
  last couple of years, I would say and like when I first was
• 28:47
  exposed to the Book of Enoch, it was, it was an audiobook type of
• 28:50
  thing on a ute on a YouTube video.
• 28:52
  And we sat there just talking and listening or whatever, and I
• 28:56
  was like, this is blowing my freaking mind because me, coming
• 28:59
  from the background of in, you know, of Christianity and you
• 29:01
  know, reading through those Old Testament books, where Enoch is
• 29:06
  basically just a, you know, he's almost an afterthought like he's
• 29:10
  mentioned in Genesis and then throughout the Old Testament and
• 29:14
  throughout the Bible. But it's more or less just like
• 29:18
  yep. He was you knocked was a knock
• 29:21
  and and You know, there's very little gone in depth about him
• 29:26
  and then you've got this book, that's whoever, you know what I
• 29:30
  mean. Like, it's like it's a saga in
• 29:33
  and of itself, you know, listening to a reading, through
• 29:36
  it or whatever. And it's like, man, there's a
• 29:38
  whole Faith or a whole spirituality.
• 29:40
  I guess built around that Lauren building, built around that
• 29:44
  mythology, and it's fascinating that so much was either.
• 29:49
  Excluded From yeah. Quote the Bible to I guess.
• 29:56
  Not sorry to interrupt you but but I was doing some more
• 30:04
  reading and it today after I got off of work and there's a lot of
• 30:13
  places in the Bible. Especially Revelation which is
• 30:20
  the one everyone wants to preach about.
• 30:24
  Where you can find passages from The Book of Enoch that are in
• 30:30
  Revelation and other parts of the Bible, there it is worded
• 30:33
  differently. Yeah, I thought I saw the
• 30:37
  similarities when I was like, listening to that audio book of
• 30:40
  The Book of Enoch and I'm like this sounds a lot like what I
• 30:44
  would expect from, you know, Book of Revelations.
• 30:49
  You know what I mean? Just scripted, the words used to
• 30:52
  describe things and you know, these experiences these
• 30:56
  creatures where where the, the speaker, you know, like in
• 31:02
  Revelation it's John but in you know, Book of Enoch, I It's
• 31:06
  Enoch as I mean it's you know, he's describing being here,
• 31:10
  being there, talking to this one going here, seeing this seeing
• 31:12
  that. And it's like he was in like
• 31:14
  this almost He was definitely out of his body, you know what I
• 31:18
  mean? Like he was caught up somewhere
• 31:21
  and experienced her saw things and was able to retain and then
• 31:27
  document it for whatever reasons.
• 31:30
  But like it is, it's like, you know, Why was that?
• 31:35
  Why was that, you know, excluded, you know, like what
• 31:38
  could you possibly stand to gain from excluding something like
• 31:42
  that? And I think it's the trying to
• 31:45
  gate keep the reality or the truth of this whole thing
• 31:50
  because it gives again, the Bible's is pitched in the very
• 31:53
  you know, God wins right all the time, right?
• 31:59
  And Satan is obviously the enemy and Lucifer.
• 32:07
  As a, you know, as an angel, it was a fallen angel in there for
• 32:12
  an enemy, you know. So they pitched this whole, you
• 32:14
  know, the fallen angels as the equivalent to Demons.
• 32:19
  Because they, they Fallen away from God, you know, and I know
• 32:25
  you and I've talked a bit about that too.
• 32:26
  But like this whole again, trying to like usurp The
• 32:35
  Authority but not too because it, you know, because I hate
• 32:38
  you, you've overstayed your welcome, you, you've ruled long
• 32:42
  enough and you you've taken advantage of Your your
• 32:47
  leadership, your power, you've, it's time for somebody else to
• 32:53
  do it. And I think the, in The Book of
• 32:55
  Enoch is referred to as lord of the spirits, Who is God referred
• 33:04
  to as the Christian God. He's referred to many times in
• 33:10
  The Book of Enoch as the Lord of spirits They also refer to.
• 33:22
  I don't know if it's like an angel or being referred to as
• 33:26
  the elect and also as the Lord of man.
• 33:32
  So there's three three different spirits that are mentioned.
• 33:41
  I think they may referring to the, to the, to the Holy Trinity
• 33:46
  or something. Maybe, I don't know.
• 33:52
  But it could just be worded in a different way.
• 33:57
  But I just think that all that is interesting that it's they
• 34:02
  don't talk about God. I mean, they bring up the word
• 34:06
  God and there but but they also referred to God as Lord of
• 34:11
  spirits are so he's mentioned in.
• 34:14
  He's got several different references that he's mentioned
• 34:18
  but he's mentioned many times as the Lord of spirits I thought
• 34:22
  that was interesting. It is and you're you're like
• 34:27
  this whole your whole take on your spirituality, you know, you
• 34:30
  mentioned that, you know, your work your you know during full
• 34:37
  moons or during times when you know there's you mentioned the
• 34:40
  month of August and that there's sold some significance
• 34:43
  significance with asteroth like what does that all based on and
• 34:49
  how has that become something that you've liked?
• 34:53
  I guess, incorporated into your Spirituality and and stuff
• 34:57
  already, that is something another little piece of
• 35:03
  information that I guess people could look up as well.
• 35:09
  There are gods that will power and you know in certain months.
• 35:16
  So if you were to take all the 12 months, there's a there's a
• 35:19
  deity that is most powerful during that month.
• 35:24
  And in my case, since I worship asteroth he would fall under
• 35:32
  August. That you are, they jealous Gods?
• 35:37
  You know what I mean? Like and I know that's like
• 35:39
  maybe a weird term to put it but like let's say for just whatever
• 35:43
  reason like maybe you're feeling a little froggy and you want to
• 35:47
  jump around to explore some of the other beings, right?
• 35:50
  Some of the other demons or some of the other, you know, sacred
• 35:53
  figures in. Beliefs, is it like?
• 35:57
  Not okay for you to do that or is it just like that whatever,
• 36:00
  you know, like they don't care. It's so much as its They don't
• 36:03
  feel like you're cheating on one of the other, you know what I'm
• 36:06
  saying? Like, what asteroth be pissed,
• 36:08
  if you went off to like you know, Lucifer or and I'm just
• 36:12
  tossing, a name out there you know, just anything like that,
• 36:15
  is it? No, I think this cool with each
• 36:18
  other. Like, oh, you're talking to
• 36:19
  Richard now? Okay, whatever, I'll see him
• 36:20
  later. It's kind of like a bunch of
• 36:21
  people who like talk shit. So that's basically how it is,
• 36:28
  you know, like, oh, you're going to talk to a Bilal.
• 36:32
  He's, he's kind of Sort stinky motherfucker, you know,
• 36:36
  something like that. That's how that's how that goes.
• 36:42
  They all kind of operate within the same entity as Lucifer, but
• 36:48
  they all separate energies but they all like aspects of aspects
• 36:53
  of Lucifer aspects of the same just different parts of.
• 36:58
  Yeah, okay, so different, maybe personalities or just aspects?
• 37:03
  Of that. So is as is that the same as I
• 37:07
  cast as asteroth just another personification of or aspect of
• 37:12
  Lucifer or is it like something entirely different in this?
• 37:17
  It's another aspect. I guess you could say it's all
• 37:24
  part of the trying to think of other ways to explain it without
• 37:30
  getting too deep. It's another look pulled the
• 37:35
  gloves off of me when we put our young boy britches on.
• 37:38
  So let's get it, let's get it. Yeah right so he in laymen's
• 37:47
  terms I guess would be operated. They all operate under the same
• 37:51
  umbrella as Lucifer. There's I guess you could say
• 37:55
  different personalities. Okay, so What are the different
• 38:05
  aspects of the same area of the one energy?
• 38:08
  So you're not necessarily talking to the same talking to a
• 38:11
  different being, you're just talking to a different side of
• 38:15
  different two sides of the same coin or more sides of the same
• 38:18
  box or yeah, you know and this is how I see it.
• 38:22
  You know they're there and and the books you know there are
• 38:25
  separate but that's not how I see it.
• 38:30
  Yeah no and it reminds me a little bit something that I can
• 38:33
  relate to As me of what, you know, hard polytheists and soft
• 38:37
  polytheists where, you know, hard hard polytheist is, you
• 38:41
  know, each god and goddess are are separate entities.
• 38:46
  They are, they are individuals in and of themselves.
• 38:49
  They own, they all have their own.
• 38:54
  You know, individual thing about them, and then you got to know
• 38:56
  the soft polytheists, which view the, the gods, as a, you know,
• 39:01
  allegorical or or you know, Their representations of all the
• 39:06
  same thing, you know, they're just different aspects of it.
• 39:10
  So similar. I mean and that may be a poor
• 39:14
  School side of I wouldn't say that before way of kind of what
• 39:18
  it re that's what you were saying.
• 39:19
  It's kind of reminds me of something like that.
• 39:21
  Where you've got? You kind of have one thing and
• 39:23
  then you can have some people that, you know, view.
• 39:26
  It may be some more along your lines where it's, you know,
• 39:28
  different sides of the same coin, but Ultimately under one
• 39:32
  umbrella and then you've got others at well nope ostroff is a
• 39:35
  stronger than, you know, I don't know.
• 39:39
  You're there. You're good.
• 39:40
  There's going to any of the others do.
• 39:41
  Some people that are you like? No.
• 39:44
  It's all. They're all separate, you know?
• 39:46
  And that's fine. They, you know, people can have
• 39:50
  their opinions on that, you know, it's okay whatever.
• 39:53
  Their I'm not here to fight you. Yeah, that's the UPG.
• 39:58
  I think that what we call UPG and he has unverified personal
• 40:02
  gnosis. It's the which I think is a lot
• 40:05
  of what you're going to have in the occult and and stuff.
• 40:07
  Because it is so based off of Just myth and lore and and we're
• 40:12
  as you know you know how how far back does does do beliefs like
• 40:17
  this really go you know and where can you trace its roots
• 40:20
  back to truly you know where what at what is there a timeline
• 40:25
  that you can say like hey you know that's certain at a certain
• 40:27
  point in history. This is how people In ancient
• 40:31
  Babylon or wherever the hell that, you know, you want to say
• 40:34
  just this is how they did it and how they worship Gods.
• 40:37
  Because you read about names, like I think astaroth is even
• 40:39
  mentioned in the Bible in the Old Testament Bible as being one
• 40:43
  of the Gods of. You know, the Babylonians I
• 40:49
  think maybe I'm a bit Rusty on some of my, you know, Old
• 40:53
  Testament lore and knowledge. But I want to say That I think I
• 41:00
  think he might be mentioned in some other some of his other
• 41:05
  names. So I think in the other names
• 41:10
  he's mentioned other places. Now Lucifer is definitely
• 41:14
  mentioned, but Lucifer is referred to as you know, The
• 41:19
  Shining one and and the one who fell, he was like The librarian
• 41:25
  there was. Yeah, there was there was, you
• 41:27
  know, there was God and then there was Lucifer.
• 41:28
  And they was like, he was right there almost like at the right,
• 41:32
  the Archangel almost kind of a thing, which that's another
• 41:36
  interesting Dynamic, you know, the the hierarchical structure.
• 41:40
  So you talked about, you know, venerating a god, a deity, the
• 41:46
  demon, whatever the name is that you want to put to it.
• 41:51
  There's different ranks right? Different different Is that
• 41:55
  these figures hold? And how has that experience
• 42:00
  been? Like, does that matter when it
• 42:02
  comes to how you approach them, or how you work with them in
• 42:07
  your spiritual practices? Because I'm, I guess, what I'm
• 42:09
  asking is, is like, is is dealing with, you know, the
• 42:12
  Grand Duke of Hell, any different than you would deal
• 42:18
  with, you know, the lightbringer Lucifer.
• 42:20
  And again, we're going into some of that like, well, it's all the
• 42:22
  same person or the old, the same thing.
• 42:26
  Facets are different phases of it.
• 42:27
  But is there anything like that that you can Maybe enlightened
• 42:33
  out or you know, it's interesting.
• 42:36
  There's been tons of summoned a strop and wanting to Speak to
• 42:44
  Lucifer. And in being told what you are
• 42:52
  speaking to him. and, That's where I started to think a
• 43:03
  little differently when it comes.
• 43:05
  When it comes to approaching these Gods, you know, we were
• 43:09
  talking about, like, you know, you were talking about the soft
• 43:13
  Polly polytheistic, you know, I don't think I call that as a
• 43:19
  label, I was just my experience. So, Yeah.
• 43:27
  There's that. And then I'm trying to answer
• 43:33
  your question almost got lost. Yeah.
• 43:37
  No. I meant like, you know, that,
• 43:39
  you know, is how we approach these deities, any different
• 43:42
  based on there, because I mean, I could, you know, just if
• 43:46
  somebody were again, go out and just start looking up the names
• 43:49
  or Googling the names of these demons and stuff and all while
• 43:52
  he's, you know, He commands 40 Legions.
• 43:54
  Well there's other guy over here, you know, He commands A
• 43:56
  Legions. He sounds like a pretty much
• 43:59
  more important guy or much more important figure.
• 44:01
  It's like, you know, the you have any Restrictions, where are
• 44:08
  there? Are there ways that scum most?
• 44:09
  Like, you know, the way that I look at it is like, well, when
• 44:13
  we come to the Gods in our beliefs, like an in hidenori,
• 44:16
  like there's, there's, there's a way to go about it.
• 44:18
  That we know we're going to reach them and it's, you know,
• 44:20
  in a very ordered and ritual sense, you know, it's not like
• 44:27
  you just wake up one day and start talking to the Gods.
• 44:29
  Like, you would talk to your friend, its you approach them in
• 44:32
  a certain way out of respect because they are sacred, they
• 44:35
  are Could beings. And so you approach them and you
• 44:37
  do certain things to set the tone and set, the, the
• 44:44
  Precedence of trying to engage with them.
• 44:47
  And is there anything that maybe mirrors, that sort of approach,
• 44:51
  with your gods or your bow? I can only answer this.
• 44:56
  Just based on my experiences course, I I'm very bad at
• 45:05
  meditation. I'm terrible at it.
• 45:10
  I have a hard time focusing. And for in really?
• 45:16
  Yeah. And for a long time, I with my
• 45:22
  friends who exposed me to this type of Faith, this type of
• 45:28
  belief system was she was She could commune or, you know,
• 45:42
  summon them through her. So to speak as a conduit that
• 45:46
  you like a medium or a yeah, got you.
• 45:52
  And so those that was my experience when it came to
• 45:57
  communicating with them, is they would come through her and that
• 46:05
  took a lot of energy out of someone.
• 46:10
  Eventually got to the point where she couldn't, she could no
• 46:16
  longer do that and I have to find my own way.
• 46:20
  If she couldn't do it for you anymore, right?
• 46:24
  They got to a certain point where she couldn't couldn't no
• 46:27
  longer do that. It was becoming a little too
• 46:29
  taxing and so I had to so I have to respect that, you know, as a
• 46:37
  friend and and so that set me on a different path since then
• 46:45
  Bram. And basically one last matches
• 46:49
  messages I got Them was see. No, don't communicate with us
• 46:53
  until you're ready. yeah, pretty much just like don't talk to me
• 46:59
  until we get your shit together and So and and they they said
• 47:12
  and you know to me, you'll know when you're ready, you know.
• 47:15
  And and so I for about 10 years or so kind of put all a lot of
• 47:27
  its side and and I had to kind of discover the Book of Enoch on
• 47:33
  my own so before all For the book, you know, Book of Enoch
• 47:39
  came to play in my life and everything.
• 47:42
  I was, I was really wanting to do the whole woowoo stuff and a
• 47:48
  lot of bad things happen to me during that time, it wasn't all
• 47:54
  good. There was, I was going through
• 47:58
  some bad times in my life. I was over trying to overcome a
• 48:02
  lot of things. Some of the you know, some of my
• 48:06
  My experiences were good. Some of my experiences were bad
• 48:12
  and So when I came across the Book of Enoch, it opened up, my
• 48:22
  eyes again after putting a lot of stuff away on the back burner
• 48:28
  so to speak. It's not that I quit believing
• 48:30
  in it. I just kind of put it all in the
• 48:32
  back of my mind. I was like, you know not the
• 48:36
  right time. Huh?
• 48:37
  Okay. Well I got to figure myself out
• 48:40
  before I can. Take take this, you know, head
• 48:45
  on a little bit more. Seriously.
• 48:47
  Yeah, now I can relate, you know?
• 48:49
  Like so much of so much of what I feel we see in newcomers to
• 48:57
  this particular path to Heathen, Ria's is their immediate desire
• 49:02
  and to connect with the sacred and to connect with the gods.
• 49:06
  And what do I do for the gods and whether the gods do for me,
• 49:08
  and this and that, and there's a loss or they, they seem to
• 49:13
  overlook The importance of, first of all yourself and the
• 49:18
  people around you, you know, everything needs to exist
• 49:21
  strongly first, at the, you know, the boots on the ground,
• 49:27
  you know, the family unit, the clan the tribe, you know, that
• 49:29
  sort of thing. And that's where where we've
• 49:33
  really found the strength of our beliefs is with each other, you
• 49:39
  know? Because when you need something,
• 49:42
  the gods aren't going to do it for you.
• 49:43
  You, you're going to rely on your your people, you know, you
• 49:46
  can rely on the on your loved ones, your family, your tribe,
• 49:50
  you know, your extended family, your kith which is just another
• 49:55
  term that we use to describe those kind of extended family
• 49:58
  members, you know, like you you mean you've been there, you've
• 50:02
  experienced it because you've been a part of our, you know,
• 50:05
  tribe rituals and things like that.
• 50:07
  And you've seen that, you know, that, that that's something that
• 50:11
  we do to connect to the sacred but the data Stuff is all with
• 50:15
  each other. You know, and that solidifies
• 50:19
  and it strengthens our approach and there was, you know, I was
• 50:22
  talking about not to get off topic or whatever but just to
• 50:25
  kind of like continue the conversation and see how it
• 50:28
  goes, but like I had a thing happen this past weekend that we
• 50:34
  were supposed to be going on a camping thing and it was
• 50:36
  supposed to be a very, you know, spiritually, enlightening thing
• 50:41
  we were, we were going to be camping out on.
• 50:43
  You know, dingoes family lands to load all lands over there, in
• 50:48
  Lewisburg Tennessee and, you know, had a had this planned for
• 50:52
  months, you know? And it didn't happen.
• 50:58
  It didn't work out. And it was very discouraging for
• 51:02
  all of us when it didn't the situation, the circumstances
• 51:07
  that arose, that prevented us from doing it.
• 51:13
  But it was all very significant to because we know come to find
• 51:18
  out that if we had gone and, you know, made the plans and and and
• 51:27
  kept those lands that we would have potentially put ourselves.
• 51:35
  And our loved ones at risk like medically and and stuff at risk.
• 51:41
  And that's not good because you know, if your if your people are
• 51:45
  exposed to illness and sickness knowingly, you know, or even not
• 51:49
  knowingly. It's just it's very interesting
• 51:51
  how the whole thing lined up. Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it
• 51:55
  was quite honestly. It's been one of those, like,
• 51:58
  most horrible weekends that I've had in a long time.
• 52:01
  Yeah. It was supposed to be a really
• 52:03
  fun weekend, and it was like a complete 180 flip.
• 52:08
  And a lot of times, the way, I think that in any faith or in
• 52:12
  any religion, They automatically want to go to and say, well,
• 52:17
  what did I do to anger the gods, right?
• 52:19
  What did I do to piss off the gods or something for them to
• 52:23
  not favor me in this or why didn't things work out?
• 52:26
  And I didn't like this is one of the first times where I was just
• 52:28
  like I didn't look at it as like I must have done something wrong
• 52:30
  to anger the gods for them to not favor us in this and look at
• 52:34
  it that way. I looked at it as Things happen.
• 52:38
  Things were woven events were woven into the threads of our
• 52:42
  weird that that could not be changed.
• 52:43
  That could not be altered. And it was for a very specific
• 52:46
  reason. And it was, it was so strong.
• 52:48
  Those threads were so strong that nothing could have sundered
• 52:53
  that and it was for the, it was for the preservation and for the
• 52:57
  safety and for the health of our tribe, which is significant
• 53:02
  knowing where what our beliefs are and how we view the world
• 53:06
  and it's like, yeah, had the tribe and put at risk, you know,
• 53:11
  and it would have just been a domino effect of Bad juju, you
• 53:17
  know, I mean yeah. And you talked earlier about
• 53:20
  energy and putting energy out and then stuff, I would like to
• 53:25
  hear, you know, what your process is about that if you
• 53:29
  want to kind of open up the veil a little bit, get us behind the
• 53:33
  scenes, open the curtain a little bit and tell us a little
• 53:35
  bit about what that means, because I'm sharing with you
• 53:36
  what that means for us for you. So, you wonder, you wanted the
• 53:40
  gloves to come off, right? This is this is where there is
• 53:43
  equals baby. Yeah, let's go.
• 53:45
  You know, We as humans are stupid.
• 53:49
  We're so God strong, right? Hey, quote that we as humans are
• 53:55
  stupid. That's the truth, right?
• 54:02
  Too many faiths. Have you see it all the time?
• 54:07
  You know? Especially Christianity, and I'm
• 54:11
  not trying to knock anyone who's Christian?
• 54:14
  Yeah. But There's a lot of times that
• 54:19
  everyone is all about God. This God, that God did this to
• 54:24
  me. Jesus did this to me or, or, or
• 54:30
  take it to other face low-key did this to me, or, you know,
• 54:33
  owed and do this to me, tortoise me.
• 54:35
  Why for or, or, you know, someone like me who's just, like
• 54:43
  astaroth or Lucifer or I know we all want to pray to our God,
• 54:50
  we're like, who got to be so much into prayer.
• 54:54
  It's got to be so God driven. We go will especially when were
• 55:01
  in just discovering a new Faith. Specially, you know, if you were
• 55:08
  to get into, no, can magic. And so if you just want to be
• 55:11
  God's strong and wanting about commune with them because you
• 55:17
  know that is power. We as humans are stupid because
• 55:20
  we want to go after power too much and this is just my
• 55:25
  opinion. I'm not, you know, I'm just
• 55:27
  speaking. From myself here.
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  So that's so the further week, the better we can recognize that
• 55:38
  and have a comeback too. Earth.
• 55:45
  So to speak that that is that is where people make the most
• 55:51
  mistakes is being able to God, strong or being too power
• 55:57
  hungry. Yeah.
• 55:59
  If I summon this summon that want to do spells and want to do
• 56:03
  this and that, instead of focusing on you, If you can't
• 56:09
  get yourself, right? You can't get it.
• 56:11
  You can't get the powerful stuff, right?
• 56:15
  You know. You're not in and there's a very
• 56:21
  fine line in any like you say, you know, being so, so God
• 56:25
  strong or so. So power-hungry like, what is,
• 56:28
  what comes with that, you know, at what cost, you know, because
• 56:30
  you seek and you want to become powerful or whatever.
• 56:33
  Well, you know, that, that you run a great risk of letting it
• 56:38
  damaged. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Like dominion. And, and then trying to rule
• 56:42
  things that you have no business being ruling over.
• 56:46
  You know what I mean? Like, I think, yeah, for a lot
• 56:50
  of folks like with you you were talking earlier about the, you
• 56:55
  know, some of maybe some of the pitfalls of the mistakes, you
• 56:58
  made the good experiences, but the bad experience is when you
• 57:01
  try to deal with these sacred figures and and you're not
• 57:05
  prepared. You're not ready.
• 57:06
  You're not. You think you are, you know, you
• 57:08
  think, well, if I do that XYZ, I'm going to get a result that
• 57:11
  you end up. The end up gems, you may end up
• 57:16
  getting something across, giving something put back on you.
• 57:19
  That is hurtful and I feel like that's mean I'll just come out
• 57:26
  and say it. I mean, I know people have
• 57:30
  different opinions when it comes to possession, but it happened
• 57:33
  to me and I do not remember hardly any of it.
• 57:43
  I may be a couple flashes here and there but I was just lucky
• 57:51
  enough that I had some friends that were able to help push me
• 57:59
  through that. Yeah, because I was not in
• 58:02
  control of myself at that point. And so that's that, that's a big
• 58:12
  statement for me to say this on, on, on a podcast.
• 58:20
  So it's, it's took me a long time for me to be able to talk
• 58:24
  about things like that. So so I'm here, I'm saying, it
• 58:29
  happened to me, I got possessed and that was one of the real big
• 58:35
  comeback. Now, on Earth moments, like, you
• 58:38
  were down with something, you didn't understand and because I
• 58:42
  was wanting to know what all wanting to commune with it all
• 58:47
  and, you know, put myself out there Well, you can put yourself
• 58:51
  out there but she got to know how to protect yourself.
• 58:55
  Yeah, yeah. And I know that, you know, with
• 58:58
  any kind of dealings, whether it's, you know, you know, we
• 59:04
  have certain terms that are tossed around and Heathen or,
• 59:07
  you know, say, either save work basically it's that kind of
• 59:17
  Connecting with Realms that you can't see connecting with beings
• 59:21
  and within and with places that are unseen to us in with our
• 59:24
  mortal eyes. And, you know, if you just if
• 59:29
  you force it, if you try to go about it all, you know,
• 59:32
  willy-nilly and you run the risk of doing more harm than good.
• 59:37
  And then and not even getting out of it.
• 59:40
  What you potentially could because you've gone about the
• 59:43
  wrong way, either you're going to have a another Cast coming up
• 59:47
  in a few weeks talking about the differences between intent and
• 59:51
  purpose and on this end on the surface.
• 59:53
  You know those two things are seemingly the same, right?
• 1:00:00
  But I want to go into and talk about like that because you know
• 1:00:03
  what you intend to do is one thing the purpose behind it is
• 1:00:08
  another and there's there's, there's glaring differences
• 1:00:11
  between those two things with A lot of of the, the spiritual
• 1:00:17
  type stuff, you know, the woowoo stuff is you're talking about,
• 1:00:20
  you know. So when you try to commune with
• 1:00:22
  a deity or when you try to connect with a realm that is not
• 1:00:27
  part of you know you're the in the profane space, you know, and
• 1:00:33
  trying to reach those places. It's yeah, there's a lot to take
• 1:00:38
  into factor to take into consideration.
• 1:00:40
  It is it's taxing, its draining. I know what your friends want.
• 1:00:44
  About with, you know, being that conduit being that Medium.
• 1:00:50
  It takes a lot of mean, I know, just from my limited experience,
• 1:00:53
  trying to connect and trying to get certain places in my recent
• 1:00:56
  time I've had to travel outside of my body and do things that I
• 1:01:05
  don't normally do and it was like So so taxing and so
• 1:01:10
  draining for myself. So you know I can't imagine any
• 1:01:14
  way actually, it wasn't even for myself.
• 1:01:15
  It was it was it was a combination of of for another
• 1:01:19
  dear brother of mine of ours, you know him too.
• 1:01:22
  Well for the sake of anonymity will will just say corvus.
• 1:01:28
  And you know, it involves the two of us and our families and
• 1:01:34
  it was it was It's been a, it's been like, such a such an
• 1:01:40
  emotionally spiritually and even physically taxing and draining
• 1:01:46
  experience, so too, I don't know to to not take that so lightly,
• 1:01:55
  you know, when people are like all you know, what I do with the
• 1:01:57
  gods and then this, and that and, you know, I don't know,
• 1:02:00
  it's it's romanticized to a point to an extent I think.
• 1:02:05
  And people think you're going to be just like this. eight being
• 1:02:09
  now, all of a sudden because of That's not really all that man.
• 1:02:14
  You know. Like it's, yeah, they're can't
• 1:02:17
  just pick up a stone in her driveway and call herself.
• 1:02:20
  Call yourself a spiritual healer, right?
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. I mean and you can't, you can't,
• 1:02:24
  you know, you can't, you can't pick up a spoon and a pot and
• 1:02:27
  call yourself a chef, you know you can't you can't do any of
• 1:02:31
  that stuff without practice without, you know, taking the
• 1:02:35
  time to learn the craft and, and perfect it, and fail along the
• 1:02:40
  way. A whole bunch of times, you
• 1:02:42
  know, In and and fail, I say, is like a very loose term because I
• 1:02:46
  feel that as long as you learn, you know, and stuff like that,
• 1:02:50
  that's, that's one experience that I had from from my own.
• 1:02:53
  It's like, you know why I did what I did and I don't I didn't
• 1:02:57
  feel like I got where I was trying to get, but I got close,
• 1:03:02
  you know, like I didn't I traveled, I had a destination, I
• 1:03:07
  was trying to reach and I didn't feel like I reach that
• 1:03:09
  destination, but I feel like I got close and I talked about
• 1:03:13
  this in the last podcast where it's like, that's not a failure,
• 1:03:15
  you know, you got as far as you could get.
• 1:03:18
  And now you remember, the way, the, the turns, and the dead
• 1:03:22
  ends, and the dips along the way, the the journey doesn't
• 1:03:26
  really change its just how far along further you get.
• 1:03:29
  So now you know, right and that okay so you know how to get
• 1:03:33
  there up to that point and then maybe you are able to get a
• 1:03:36
  little bit further than next time and you you know the way to
• 1:03:40
  get there, you know, the you You know, you can follow directions
• 1:03:44
  and you've got the roadmap laid out, it's just a matter of
• 1:03:47
  navigating. Some of the pitfalls are the I
• 1:03:50
  think to me, what was really big for me, was, you know, that
• 1:03:57
  happened and, and it was terrible, you know?
• 1:04:03
  But I had to, okay. I had to figure out like, you
• 1:04:08
  know, it was scaring and But I didn't want to just throw it all
• 1:04:16
  away. I was like, I made a mistake,
• 1:04:19
  you know, made a bad bad mistake, but I knew I could get
• 1:04:27
  through it. I just got to figure out, you
• 1:04:30
  know, a new starting point and I figured why not try to learn a
• 1:04:35
  little bit of everything. And that's where I kind of
• 1:04:40
  picked up some of my ideas along the way and pick up a little
• 1:04:44
  here from The Book of Enoch, a little bit over here from, you
• 1:04:48
  know, the the Satanic Bible or little here from Hinduism or
• 1:04:55
  Buddhism, you know, out and you're very much a hodgepodge.
• 1:05:01
  Like I said, crock pot of spirituality, if I'm gonna want
• 1:05:06
  to commune with. Powerful energy that I got to
• 1:05:14
  know as much as I can. Then the the more, you know,
• 1:05:22
  more, you know, the more, you know, the more, you know.
• 1:05:29
  So so true is Bland as it sounds.
• 1:05:35
  It is so true. I mean, that there is a price
• 1:05:41
  that comes with all that knowledge to man.
• 1:05:43
  You know what I mean? I gotta know how you feel, but
• 1:05:45
  like sometimes you can just know too.
• 1:05:47
  Much and at what cost, you know, how much of your sanity, how
• 1:05:52
  much of your, you know, do you give up, do you sacrifice in the
• 1:05:57
  pursuit of knowledge? I look at like an example is
• 1:06:00
  like, Odin, you know, and is in his Relentless pursuit of
• 1:06:05
  knowledge and things and how it's driven him literally into
• 1:06:08
  madness, you know. He's at it's one of his name's,
• 1:06:11
  you know, the Mad one and he's in, he's, you know, all these
• 1:06:15
  characteristics that Encompass a figure like Odin and Norman in
• 1:06:18
  our Lord. So there there's a, there's a
• 1:06:20
  warning to I think to today we learned, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:25
  Like, there's a lesson to be learned there.
• 1:06:26
  Like, so even though go so far. Yeah, rather.
• 1:06:31
  So even though I picked up, you know, all these different things
• 1:06:33
  here and there along the way, you know, that's 20 years for
• 1:06:40
  me. So when I think of it, you know,
• 1:06:43
  it's a lifetime for me. So this whole Variance is just
• 1:06:49
  kind of continued and I'm a terrible reader.
• 1:06:53
  I can't keep a book up no more than an hour, it's times 30
• 1:07:01
  minutes. Yeah, like I'm a terrible reader
• 1:07:05
  like I will fall asleep. If I read too much because I get
• 1:07:08
  too comfortable and all of a sudden.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah, snoozing. Yep.
• 1:07:14
  And so on. I pick up pick little pieces
• 1:07:20
  here and there, I just Divide my time, you know, like so, yeah,
• 1:07:27
  even though I've got to go grazing a little bit.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, even though I've been reading this Book of Enoch, I've
• 1:07:31
  had this book for a few years now, and I tell you what, I'm
• 1:07:35
  still get out of a 200, 150 200 Page, but 300 Page book.
• 1:07:46
  I'm on page 68. You got you there?
• 1:07:51
  We're reminds me of that. And you ever watch SpongeBob
• 1:07:55
  remember that one episode where SpongeBob he's like I got it
• 1:07:58
  right this this report or this essay and he's like okay I've
• 1:08:03
  got my I got my paper, I've got my pencil, I've got - sighs, I'm
• 1:08:08
  ready on the juices are flowing and he's like, scribbling like
• 1:08:11
  mad, you know. Yeah it's is so good and like
• 1:08:15
  the camera like Zooms in and all he's got is the word the yeah.
• 1:08:23
  In like fancy calligraphy and whatever, you know, it's me.
• 1:08:26
  I'm so I'm so into read. I want to learn a thirst for
• 1:08:30
  knowledge, you know, and you've got like, you know, a paragraph.
• 1:08:32
  You're like, okay, that's enough for one night, you know?
• 1:08:36
  Yeah. That book you got me the for
• 1:08:39
  enochian magic. Yeah, that was annual this year
• 1:08:42
  right back in. Yeah, January 1.
• 1:08:45
  Yeah, that was a gift. I think I think I'm on chapter
• 1:08:47
  two. You might you might get to
• 1:08:51
  chapter 3 by the old. See here.
• 1:08:54
  I think I might, I think I might get to chapter 3 when I'm 60,
• 1:08:57
  you know, yet. How many words are we going to
• 1:09:01
  get through today? And I'm just a terrible reader,
• 1:09:05
  like, I'm hate rating for one. So that, that's why I know what
• 1:09:10
  not to get in. Any more book, right?
• 1:09:13
  Don't let me build it. I'm like, man, who loves not
• 1:09:17
  your Lego Marvel movie, you know?
• 1:09:23
  If it's not in a Marvel movie or Star Wars, I don't want to
• 1:09:25
  fucking see it, their pictures, their pictures and their
• 1:09:31
  titties. We'll just have to throw in some
• 1:09:36
  memories and every so often just to keep your attention you know,
• 1:09:39
  exactly that you know for anybody, right?
• 1:09:43
  Spiritual books. You need we need more
• 1:09:45
  illustrations. Yeah yeah.
• 1:09:49
  We're simple-minded people here, guys.
• 1:09:51
  You know, we need, we need like flashy things, you know,
• 1:09:53
  pictures and you know, that sort of stuff, you know.
• 1:09:57
  Yeah. Keep our attention.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah. Maybe that's maybe that's why
• 1:10:03
  the maybe that's why the, the Germanic people didn't write
• 1:10:07
  down all this stuff. That's why we're having so, so
• 1:10:10
  hard a time because they're gonna be like you For us to come
• 1:10:19
  up with this time, he's gonna want to read that.
• 1:10:21
  You know, it was really boring. The words, drink beer, that's
• 1:10:26
  cold, man, we figured it out. We figured out.
• 1:10:32
  Why, why we don't have the books, why it took the monks and
• 1:10:36
  and everything because they were celibate, really told us what
• 1:10:42
  are like, well we don't have to tell us the meaning of, you
• 1:10:46
  know, spiritual connection. I'm like, just put your Fucking
• 1:10:49
  energy out there as fast as some down.
• 1:10:53
  Be quiet, listening, you know, kind of thing, you know, right
• 1:10:56
  into what the yeah. And that's, you know, a lot of
• 1:11:00
  times man, I feel like that's it helps me when I just can sit
• 1:11:04
  somewhere where there's not a lot of distractions.
• 1:11:07
  And if that means, you know, going out into the woods or
• 1:11:10
  going for a walk getting out, getting out in nature where you
• 1:11:15
  know, technology is And saturated.
• 1:11:21
  You know what I mean? It's you know we're we are so
• 1:11:23
  saturated with technology nowadays and I mean that's just
• 1:11:27
  the way it is. So I feel like, you know,
• 1:11:31
  Getting back to our roots and getting back to the the way, you
• 1:11:35
  know, it was, you know, even not all that long ago, because if
• 1:11:38
  you think about it in my life stopped in my life span, right?
• 1:11:43
  In the last 30 years, where technology was when I was born.
• 1:11:49
  And when I was a kid to where it is, now, it's mind-blowing to
• 1:11:53
  see just how connected we are to the world around us.
• 1:11:59
  Like, literally down to the second down to the, you know,
• 1:12:02
  down to the, you know, minutes. We don't, we don't wait.
• 1:12:04
  We don't turn on the news or get a paper or whatever.
• 1:12:07
  Anymore newspaper to find out world events.
• 1:12:10
  We turn our, we open our phones, the log into our social media,
• 1:12:15
  and we see articles about it. And we know about it, literally
• 1:12:17
  minutes after its reported her with a now, you know what I'm
• 1:12:20
  saying? And it's crazy to think, like
• 1:12:22
  how we have this overwhelming. We have this, these overwhelming
• 1:12:27
  wealth of information coming out.
• 1:12:30
  You know. Yeah, whether you want to call
• 1:12:32
  it true or not, you know, but right but we're regardless
• 1:12:39
  there's a we have devices that allows access to so much
• 1:12:43
  information and but yet we lose track of the important things
• 1:12:48
  like, you know, going for a walk, you know, you know,
• 1:12:54
  reflect on yourself, you know, and checking in with our people,
• 1:12:58
  man, you know. And just Just being there for
• 1:13:00
  each other, like, really being there for each other.
• 1:13:03
  You know? Yeah, it is, it's important.
• 1:13:05
  And I think, you know, with any with any spirituality man, you
• 1:13:10
  know, it doesn't matter. I love the fact that, you know,
• 1:13:15
  Interfaith connections and I feel like that, you know, you
• 1:13:19
  and I are like, I think a good example of it because even
• 1:13:22
  though our beliefs are quite different, we can still find
• 1:13:28
  similarities and In correlations to things and I feel like that's
• 1:13:32
  a possibility in any spirituality religion, really,
• 1:13:35
  you know, that Interfaith those Interfaith connections to to
• 1:13:39
  display and show the world that, you know, you don't have to
• 1:13:43
  think the same way that I think. And by the way that he thinks or
• 1:13:47
  she thinks and you can actually learn from each other and and
• 1:13:52
  coexist peacefully amicably and actually been officially, you
• 1:13:56
  know, like do things for one another that are beneficial All
• 1:13:59
  towards one, another and help each other, you know, because at
• 1:14:02
  the end of the day, like you, it's Humanity, man were all.
• 1:14:06
  We're all planted on this rock, right?
• 1:14:10
  I mean, so how do we make the most of it and how do we do well
• 1:14:15
  for each other? You know, and that may seem a
• 1:14:19
  bit new-agey, you know, peace love and light man.
• 1:14:22
  Like no, there's Darkness, you know what I mean?
• 1:14:23
  Like there's reality there's, you know, I'm not trying to get
• 1:14:26
  all fluffy bunny. Whoo, you know.
• 1:14:29
  All filled up in the field Goods, whatever.
• 1:14:31
  But that's really just, you know, with the people that you
• 1:14:33
  connect with shouldn't matter what their religious, or
• 1:14:35
  spiritual beliefs are, or aren't because, look at, look at us
• 1:14:39
  man. Like, we talked about this
• 1:14:40
  before, yeah, how we connected on a level that was not anything
• 1:14:46
  to do with religion, or spirituality before we ever did
• 1:14:50
  it just kind of worked its way into our lives, because how
• 1:14:53
  couldn't it, you know what I mean?
• 1:14:54
  Like, we weren't putting it down each other's throats and it
• 1:14:57
  wasn't something that was forced.
• 1:14:58
  It just Of organically became part of our conversations and
• 1:15:03
  then you think that's beautiful? You know.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah, my going back here. You know how, you know, our
• 1:15:13
  friendship, you know, for started, you know, you were a
• 1:15:16
  photographer, you were doing the photography thing for him and
• 1:15:20
  doing all the BET Alliance stuff, and write the Metalhead
• 1:15:26
  Alliance, and then in, and I In an abandoned and you did for
• 1:15:35
  ography for a few of our shows and that's how many you and you
• 1:15:39
  and Vanessa and then I just evolved from there and I think
• 1:15:46
  couple years went by or something and then I was like
• 1:15:51
  you live in Murfreesboro. Well I live in Murfreesboro.
• 1:15:53
  Yeah let's hang out. Okay.
• 1:15:55
  Yeah for a beer, you like a beer.
• 1:15:58
  Okay. Beer, beer, beer, beer is good.
• 1:16:01
  Yeah, yeah. You drink.
• 1:16:03
  I drink, we drink, you know, like a tall.
• 1:16:05
  Drink. Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  And if that's, you know, it was a commonality, you know, we
• 1:16:10
  shared interest in the same things and that's where the seed
• 1:16:14
  was planted and but Ike. I see, you know, a lot of people
• 1:16:19
  looking for connections and stuff nowadays and people need
• 1:16:22
  that people want that people are looking to connect with people
• 1:16:26
  like-minded people. And yeah, that can be a hard.
• 1:16:29
  Thing to find people that think exactly the same way that you
• 1:16:32
  think. And I don't I don't really
• 1:16:34
  subscribe to that. I don't want to know.
• 1:16:37
  I don't want to like there's a fine line.
• 1:16:40
  Like I want to be around the I want to be around people that
• 1:16:42
  think closely enough to the way. I think that we can get along
• 1:16:46
  but I don't want people that think exactly the way I think.
• 1:16:49
  I like that. Yeah.
• 1:16:51
  And nobody showed, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:53
  Like the diet like you got to have some commonalities and some
• 1:16:58
  things to get along, but at the end, End of the day individuals,
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  and how we all think, and how we view the world.
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  It's Yeah, that individuality is what is what really?
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  And the thing is, you can't can't force it, you know, right.
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  And force. Like and what I mean by that,
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  you can't force those type of interactions.
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  So like, yeah, I want to meet some other like-minded people
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  that are a different face while you can't just You know, just
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  going to a church. And yeah.
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  And expect people to like like you in writing.
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  So get to know each other first man.
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  Yeah. It like sit down and just you
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  know, literally just, you know shooter.
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  He's talked about. Yeah.
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  Chill talk about just anything everything.
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  Oh, you know, kind of moves you out.
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  No, just whatever, just the mundane type stuff, find those
• 1:17:53
  kind of commonalities and then see where things go and then but
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  it's Family man. I know.
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  That's that's that's one thing that as we wrap this podcast up,
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  that's one thing that you know, this pandemic.
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  You know, it has really I think, brought to light is our, you
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  know, our inherent nature to want to be with people because
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  we were, we were separated. We were, we were quarantined.
• 1:18:19
  We were isolated for and thrown into that isolation, pretty
• 1:18:24
  violently. If you think about it within a
• 1:18:27
  short period. Period of time, you know?
• 1:18:29
  And you took advantage or, you know, one might say, you know,
• 1:18:33
  we took advantage of just the normal stuff.
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  You know, the normal social interactions that nowadays
• 1:18:42
  aren't quite so normal. Yeah, there's a new normal now
• 1:18:47
  and it's alarming and it's but still we want that connection,
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  we want that, you know, That ability to connect with people
• 1:18:59
  Beyond, just the screen Beyond, just a chat bubble.
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  You know what I mean? Like, see people face to face
• 1:19:06
  and talk and experience things and share that kind of stuff.
• 1:19:09
  And that's really where it boils down to man to me is, as you
• 1:19:12
  know, that has to exist. It has to exist for Humanity for
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  society to the thrive. Forced martial law now in this
• 1:19:28
  plan. Let's just, you know, let's just
• 1:19:31
  all get out here and just so let's be done with it.
• 1:19:33
  Yeah, yeah. You like Planet of the Apes here
• 1:19:36
  soon? But anyways, this is a lot of,
• 1:19:47
  this was a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun and I
• 1:19:49
  appreciate you coming on here and then talk about, you know,
• 1:19:54
  Various things. It was enlightening and I hope
• 1:19:56
  it was enlightening for everybody that's listening and
• 1:19:58
  watching, you know, it's always nice to have people on here that
• 1:20:04
  just offer a different spin, you know, and anytime you want to do
• 1:20:09
  this again and party, no, take the gloves off again and talk on
• 1:20:13
  some other subjects. I've always wanted to talk about
• 1:20:20
  symbols and their power. Oh man, well, that'll be the
• 1:20:24
  That is a whole that could be a whole podcast episode in and of
• 1:20:27
  itself. Not just a side note on things
• 1:20:29
  but yeah, symbols and their power.
• 1:20:31
  I had a thing where I was I did a video on that not too long ago
• 1:20:35
  and it's been a while now. But yeah I would love to trap
• 1:20:38
  more about something like that. Maybe in another one.
• 1:20:41
  So yeah we can take that kind of goes along with put yourself on
• 1:20:44
  the energy and stuff like that. So over here well I think that's
• 1:20:50
  all, I'll put that on the table for the next time, maybe.
• 1:20:54
  Later on, in the month of November, we've got a whole
• 1:20:58
  bunch of cool guests lined up over the next several weeks into
• 1:21:01
  the into November. Maybe we have you back.
• 1:21:04
  You know, either either then or before before the end of season
• 1:21:08
  2. Yeah, let's see.
• 1:21:12
  I could be like the season finale.
• 1:21:13
  I can be like, yeah, you could, they've Skywalker showing up the
• 1:21:17
  you better dress up for it though.
• 1:21:18
  You know, put some put Some some frosted tips on that faux hawk
• 1:21:26
  of yours or whatever, you know. Oh yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Glitter up the beard. You know make it make it, make
• 1:21:31
  it a sparkle. Yeah but I could have finale
• 1:21:35
  worthy of of the ages you know. Oh yeah.
• 1:21:39
  But that's that's awesome. So everybody that's you know,
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• 1:22:22
  But for now I'm going to Did my guest here?
• 1:22:26
  Richard Kuhn. The awesome.
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  Richard McKeon. Thank you for your time for you
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  too sir. Don't forget to bash me on the
• 1:22:33
  internet bash you on the it now bash you in real life.
• 1:22:36
  Oh about taking the gloves off. I'll be yeah.
• 1:22:44
  But yeah. So everybody thank you so much
• 1:22:46
  for your support. Richard don't go anywhere.
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  We'll touch base real quick before you and you're not but
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  yeah, thank you. Well so much for your support
• 1:22:55
  today and always Sohail take care and we'll see you guys all
• 1:23:00
  in the next episode.