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S5 E30 Devil in New Jersey - Jeannette DePalma · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Oh my goodness, I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of True Crime and Wine Time,
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  Speaker 1: the Lovely Cabin. Welcome again, Cap, Hi.
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  Speaker 1: I live a little pod, little pod po.
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  Speaker 2: Mellama, why don't you tell us what we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be covering tonight?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will forewarn you all. There is a moth
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  Speaker 1: in my house that's fluttering behind my lights, behind my desk,
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  Speaker 1: and if that's flow, if that moth hits my face,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to hear some screaming. So just know it's
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  Speaker 1: because I'm being attacked by a very vengeful moth. I'm
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  Speaker 1: convinced it wants blood. But anyway, what are we doing
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  Speaker 1: here tonight? Tonight we will be covering the case of
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  Speaker 1: Jeanette to Palma, a New Jersey teenager who went missing
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two and was found weeks later, surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by satanic symbols or what was she? Spoiler alert, It
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  Speaker 1: is unsolved and we're going to leave with plenty of
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  Speaker 1: unanswered questions. Everybody's favorite, I know, but I like it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: What are you drinking tonight, girll Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it said. I wrote the script. Tonight, I'm
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  Speaker 2: drinking another one of my seasonal shrub cocktails. So we've
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  Speaker 2: got too many apples right now over here, so I
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  Speaker 2: made a spiced apple shrub to jazz up. Basically a
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  Speaker 2: bouck atonic. This is made with honeycrisp and Jonah gold
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  Speaker 2: apples with cinnamon, clothes and frosht ginger. Basically tastes a
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  Speaker 2: little like fall but spiked, which is my kind of Paul.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Did you squeeze the apples by hand to get the
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  Speaker 1: apple juice?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I like you like summer it for
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  Speaker 2: a while and then okay, you're like abusing vinegar.
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  Speaker 1: Got what kind of what kind of liquor do you
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  Speaker 1: have in there? Did you say? Okay? Yeah, it goes
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  Speaker 1: well in.
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  Speaker 2: Everything, and I think it would be good with ferman too.
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  Speaker 1: But see, I like apple cider with like this, the rum,
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  Speaker 1: the dark brown rum, and and you put some cinnamon
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  Speaker 1: sticks in there, some cloves. It's good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Totties Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I like a hot dot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the same thing, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what we call them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what I've had as a hot potty, right,
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  Speaker 2: although I don't know that there's usually apple juice. I've
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  Speaker 2: just had it with like limb. It's like lemon water
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  Speaker 2: and alcohol, and it's great when you're having a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a cold.
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  Speaker 1: Oh there you go. You want the alcohol recipe, well,
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  Speaker 1: cap and I'll have to send it to you. Well, tonight,
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking. What am I drinking? I'm drinking Baybridge Vineyards
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  Speaker 1: tropical whites. There's really nothing to say about it because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't really say anything. Just a sweet, full flavor
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  Speaker 1: and smooth and taste. Also because I'm both tropical and white.
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  Speaker 1: That's perfect. Good job, Captain, good job with that one. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into tonight's story because this one is a
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  Speaker 1: wild one. I've never heard of this before. And then
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  Speaker 1: I think you stumbled across it when we were covering
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  Speaker 1: a different case. We should get into it, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Like, let's do it. I like when the case is
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  Speaker 2: like daisy chain off each other. Right, yeah, let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it. The New Jersey. That's the thing about the Devil,
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  Speaker 2: it has its own devil for.
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  Speaker 1: Starters, Codan to help us, we had, you know, pictures.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing my job, right there we go one
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  Speaker 1: what there we go?
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  Speaker 2: That's this that's the Jersey Devil. Oh, and that is
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  Speaker 2: encryptid that lives in the New Jersey Pine Barons, which
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  Speaker 2: sounds like it should be encrypted, but it's just some
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  Speaker 2: kind of special forest where the devil maybe lives. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Their hockey team is also called the Devils. How about
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  Speaker 2: the Devils? We love sports here it is well established.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they have a pretty good looking mascot. I
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  Speaker 1: won't lie. It's better than some of the teams they
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  Speaker 1: talked about today, and Lama learns about talk about baseball teams,
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  Speaker 1: and some of their names could use some work. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, they have this tower called Devil's Tower that
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to be haunted by a lady ghost who
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  Speaker 1: saw her sugar baron husband giving another woman some sugar. Also,
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  Speaker 1: if you walk backwards around it enough times, you may
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  Speaker 1: may see the devil. Loving the vagueness of this lore here,
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  Speaker 1: I freaking love lore so much and its ridiculousness. And
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  Speaker 1: that tower is pretty cool. What is that I need
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  Speaker 1: to know more about this Devil's Tower? Not right now?
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  Speaker 1: It is not Rama learns about. We'll save it for then.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: This is called the Devil's Tree, and the story for
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  Speaker 1: this one is also great. Those who damage or disrespect
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  Speaker 1: the tree physically or verbally will soon thereafter come to
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  Speaker 1: some sort of harm. I would very much like some
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  Speaker 1: surveillance on that tree to see what exactly people are
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  Speaker 1: saying about it to merit this curse, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like a tree, just looks like normal tree.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently, what are you gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: To come to some sort of harm?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Laney says, I've camped and hiked in the Buying
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  Speaker 1: Parents Pine barrens and it's beautiful and peaceful. So no
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  Speaker 1: devil then unless your soul and you're not telling us.
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  Speaker 1: Would you even know if you sold your soul to
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  Speaker 1: the devil? I don't know. Let's find out. It has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with this story.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a sewer entrance called the Gates of Hell.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, that creepose remos from the Aton
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  Speaker 2: Pates story did live in a drain pipe in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: So maybe this one's true. It's possible.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look how big that is. That's bigger than
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would be.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it's crazy. It's crazy is a wondrous place.
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  Speaker 2: So there's also a sea serpent named Hoppy. This one's
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  Speaker 2: not about the devil. I just had to mention Hoppy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: So sorry about the tangent. You're here for true crime,
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  Speaker 2: but it is spooky month, and there is a reason
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about the devil because things are going to
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  Speaker 2: get a little satanic panicky tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Oh who doesn't love that? That's always fun, always fun
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  Speaker 1: to see the hysteria. Well, I know this. I'm about
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  Speaker 1: to add a bunch of that stuff for my Lama
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  Speaker 1: learns about spreadsheet that's going on there, because I have
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  Speaker 1: a thing for myths and folklore, and I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know they had a hobby. That's not a scary name
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  Speaker 1: for a seasow.
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  Speaker 2: It's very cute. Go see Hoppy, feed it some bread.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to tell me, marshmallows.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's the name again, Hoppy h o
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  Speaker 1: pp i e hoppy so more you know? All right,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, let's get into the actual story. So on
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  Speaker 1: August seventh, nineteen seventy two, Jeanette di Palma left her Springfield,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey home for the last time. Her mother offered
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  Speaker 1: her a ride, and she replied, no, Mom, I'm okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sixteen. She told her parents that she was going
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  Speaker 1: to walk about three miles to the Summit train station
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  Speaker 1: and take a train to a friend's house before an
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  Speaker 1: evening shift at work. When Jeanette didn't come home that night,
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  Speaker 1: the Diplomas called her friend, who said she had never
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  Speaker 1: shown up. Her parents filed a missing person report with
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  Speaker 1: the Springfield Police Department the next day. So what do
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  Speaker 1: we know about Jeanette's day? Oh oh, look at the
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  Speaker 1: you little poppys a picture. It's adorable.
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  Speaker 2: So her best friend Gail said that Jeanette had called
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  Speaker 2: her to tell her that she couldn't meet up as
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  Speaker 2: planned after an argument with her parents. Is pissed because
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  Speaker 2: they were supposed to meet up with two boys they'd
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  Speaker 2: met the day before at Echo Lake Park. After a
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  Speaker 2: mild guilt trip, Jeanette told Gail she would hitchhike over
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  Speaker 2: to her house. Jeanette asked her sister Cindy for a ride,
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  Speaker 2: telling her she wanted to meet up with her boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: Tommy at Gail's house. Cindy said no, and she lives
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  Speaker 2: with that regret every day. Gail thinks that Cindy was
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  Speaker 2: maybe mistaken because Tommy was her boyfriend, not Jeanette's.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good, big thing to clear that up. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like, there's a lot of talk, Yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of hearsay all over the place in
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  Speaker 1: the story. So Jeanette's friend Donna said that Jeanette had
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  Speaker 1: unexpectedly stopped by her home that day and asked her
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  Speaker 1: mother for a ride. Donna was grounded at the time
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  Speaker 1: and said her mom didn't like Jeanette, so the girl
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  Speaker 1: ended up walking away from the house. A nineteen year
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  Speaker 1: old woman named Robin Ludecca told the police that she'd
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  Speaker 1: picked up Jeanette on the road hitchhiking that evening. She
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  Speaker 1: said Jeanette had been heading to Berkeley Heights to meet
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  Speaker 1: up with friends. Robin tried to talk to her about
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  Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, but Jeanette had seen tense and fidgeting with
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  Speaker 1: her across necklace, not led Zeppelin.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: When Robin let Jeanette out, she watched the girl meet
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  Speaker 1: a couple of boys and a girl under a street light,
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  Speaker 1: which is very interesting and I think doesn't get talked
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  Speaker 1: about enough.
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  Speaker 2: So, but the rumors began, as they do. Jeanette must
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  Speaker 2: have run away or overdosed at a party. The DePalma
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  Speaker 2: was denied both of those theories. No one knows what
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  Speaker 2: happened to Jeanette di Palma that night, but event they
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  Speaker 2: did find her. Yeah, so six weeks later, on September nineteenth,
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  Speaker 2: the Springfield Police received an unusual phone call. A woman
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  Speaker 2: had found an arm outside of her apartment building. Patrol
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  Speaker 2: Man Donald Schwartz responded, expecting to find a mannequin, arm
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  Speaker 2: or some sort of drink.
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  Speaker 1: It is never a mannequin. And over, it's never a mannaquin.
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  Speaker 1: How many mannequins do you see out in the the Why.
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  Speaker 2: Ever in New Jersey?
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  Speaker 1: I get well, I guess it's New Jersey. Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, well, every friend.
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  Speaker 1: It sure wasn't a prank. Hold, I'm pouring less of wine.
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  Speaker 1: It is not longa going to the bathroom. I have
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  Speaker 1: to clarify or listeners, you decide, all right. Also, hello, justin,
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  Speaker 1: just Jane. Welcome everybody, be like justice Jane and hit
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  Speaker 1: that leg button. If you haven't yet, please and thank
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  Speaker 1: you appreciate it. Can you imagine finding an arm? No, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot, Nope, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: As Schwartz later said, quote, when I got there, the
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  Speaker 1: arm was lying in the grass. I looked at it
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  Speaker 1: and I said to myself, this is human. Congratulations Schwartz,
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  Speaker 1: fucking genius, this guy is. I could see the fingernails
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  Speaker 1: and the color of the skin. I could tell the
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  Speaker 1: arm had been out in the elements for a while.
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  Speaker 1: The flesh was real leathery, and it was sort of
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  Speaker 1: a maroonish red in color. Okay, ew ew e eh,
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  Speaker 1: but what did we expect here? Honestly? Schwart took photos
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  Speaker 1: and radioed for detectives to head over. Two more patrolmen
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  Speaker 1: heard the call and came to provide backup for an arm. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Dominic Olivia and Edward Kish. They spoke to the building
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  Speaker 1: super who was the woman who had called, and began
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  Speaker 1: knocking on doors trying to figure out where the arm
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  Speaker 1: could have come from. I mean, it was just don't
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  Speaker 1: leave their arms laying anywhere, so not usually.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually they did find a woman who had let her
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  Speaker 2: dalmatian out for a run that morning. They decided the
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  Speaker 2: only explanation was that the dog had brought it back.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's not said whether or not they found any
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  Speaker 2: bitemarks on the arm. I know the skin was described
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  Speaker 2: as leathery, but I would think there would be some
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  Speaker 2: sort of imprint from knine teeth.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure, I would think so. I mean, their
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  Speaker 1: teeth are meant to break through tough skin anyway, So yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But unfortunately, if you're expecting sensible police work, this probably
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  Speaker 2: isn't the story for you. No, but we'll get there.
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  Speaker 2: So Olivo was the first to connect the dots. Jeannette
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  Speaker 2: was the only missing person in town, and even though
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  Speaker 2: police had listed her as a runaway, he figured it
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  Speaker 2: was probably her arm. Honestly, with some of these dopes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't decide she just ran away without
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  Speaker 2: her arm.
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  Speaker 1: Probably h Yay, shotting police work we love to see.
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  Speaker 1: Too frequent, too frequent, continuing to be too frequent as well.
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  Speaker 1: Now the detectives a ride and the arm was transported
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  Speaker 1: to the municipal building in a cardboard box because I
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  Speaker 1: guess there were no stopping shot bags available, and Chief
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  Speaker 1: Police George Parcel, began to organize a search for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the remains, borrowing a bloodhound from Ocean County
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  Speaker 1: about four layers. Four hours later, the search party was
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  Speaker 1: ready to go. Now the Springfield Police, the Union County
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutor's Office, the Ocean County Sheriff's Office, and their blood
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  Speaker 1: house set out. They searched the dirt bed of an
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  Speaker 1: under construction highway, an abandoned swim club, and finally the
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  Speaker 1: Houdau cory. That's funny, Hohodel who sorry splitting into pairs.
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  Speaker 1: They searched the wilderness of the corry, where they themselves
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  Speaker 1: regularly used a makeshift police shooting range, because that's probably
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  Speaker 1: a great idea. Near where the cory bordered the interstate construction,
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  Speaker 1: they found the upper part of the arm, figuring the
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  Speaker 1: dog must have run by that spot. They knew they
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  Speaker 1: were close, I mean yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Patrolman Schwart and his search buddy, Patrolman Calabrese, which is
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  Speaker 2: a type of salammikin climbed a steep incline, perhaps in
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  Speaker 2: the hope of getting perspective over the quarry, but none
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  Speaker 2: was needed. A body was at the top near a cliff,
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  Speaker 2: laying face down. It was wearing the clothes and that
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  Speaker 2: de Palma's parents had reported her missing, in a blue
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  Speaker 2: T shirt and tan pants. One sandal was still on.
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  Speaker 2: One was laying to the side of the remains. Animals
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  Speaker 2: had eaten much of the flesh from her feet and head.
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  Speaker 1: Like I know, I know that's how nature works, but
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  Speaker 1: my god, is it disturbing when you really think about it?
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  Speaker 1: Like cycle life is is something is something now Schwort
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  Speaker 1: said quote. There was a wooden cross over her head
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  Speaker 1: that was made out of two sticks. There were also
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  Speaker 1: some stones arranged around the top of her head in
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  Speaker 1: the shape of a semicircle, almost like a halo. Interesting. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Officers scrambled up the hill to shove their way into
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene, and one began taking photographs. Patrolman Ed
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  Speaker 1: Kish said it was hard to say, but they assumed
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  Speaker 1: the remains were female as there was a pocketbook at
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  Speaker 1: the scene. Kish picked up the bag and searched it
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  Speaker 1: for a form of a d or evidence of drugs,
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  Speaker 1: and finding neither, he set it back down. So that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty cool, Cliff, though it's kind of creepy. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of creepy.
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  Speaker 2: The murmurs of witchcraft began before the detectives arrived, but
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  Speaker 2: once they did, the patrolman were dismissed. Kitsch later said
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  Speaker 2: the detective bureau did their own thing and it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: discussed with us. They treated the rest of US patrol
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  Speaker 2: men like a bunch of dunces. Hmmm, hm, is that merited?
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  Speaker 2: We will decide. We'll see. So, given the rough terrain,
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  Speaker 2: the detectives decided to use a fire truck ladder to
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  Speaker 2: remove the body from the cliff, which was known to
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  Speaker 2: locals as the Devil's Teeth Medical examiner. Medical examiner Bernard
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  Speaker 2: Ehrenberg was called out to declare the remains dead, which
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  Speaker 2: was really just a formality. The detectives search for evidence
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  Speaker 2: around the body. Hey, maybe those dunces could have helped
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  Speaker 2: with that. The guys they dismissed, but the smart detectives
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  Speaker 2: didn't find anything. There is no obvious cause of death,
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  Speaker 2: there was no sign of foul play.
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  Speaker 1: A whole lot of nothing they found there. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know how easily accessible the top of this was, by
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  Speaker 1: chance at all? Just wondering.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed like it was difficult for the
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  Speaker 2: police officers to climb it, and people definitely said that
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  Speaker 2: it would have been very difficult for Janet to climb
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  Speaker 2: it in sandals.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so her being up there is Okay, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, but I wasn't entirely sure. So the
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  Speaker 1: fire truck arrived at the bottom of the Devil's Teeth
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  Speaker 1: and fireman Don Stewart used the letter to climb up
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  Speaker 1: to join the detectives. Because if there's one thing this
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  Speaker 1: crime scene needs it's more people in it. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it's a gigantic fire truck. What does that look bigger
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  Speaker 1: than a regular fire truck? I feel, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's bigger in the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, all right. So here's a phone quote about
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  Speaker 1: Don Stewart from his ex co worker Ed Cardinal. Quote.
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  Speaker 1: Don was this image of Woody Harrelson, and probably spend
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  Speaker 1: as much time in a real bar as wood he
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  Speaker 1: did acting in one on cheers. Okay, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I may have somewhat of a thing for Woody Harrelson.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. He's amazing, all right. Is that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was amazing at what he does? I don't know. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: can't explain it. What are you gonna do.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: A less fun quote that is a lot more topical
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: is quote I remember him saying that her body didn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: look like the body of a person that had been
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: beat up or killed in an accident. Those types would
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: be sprawled out or distorted in a kind of fetal position.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: He said that she looks peaceful, almost like she was sleeping,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and that really bothered him. Well, at least the eyes
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: were closed, Because we've learned on mom learns about most
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: people die with their eyes open, and guess what, you
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: can't just go to their eyes like in the movies.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It's not how that works. No, so think about that tonight, friends, anyway.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Don't think don't think about that. Don't do that anyway.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: The firemen helped to gently lower the remains to the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: cory floor on a stretcher, where they were taken to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a morgue by ambulance. The EMMY examined the remains but
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was unable to determine a cause of death. Arenberg was
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a physician that had been appointed to the Emmy position,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: not a trained pathologist, which is never always great. Now
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Ed Kiss declared Bernie Ehrenberg was not competent enough to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: have been conducting forensic autopsies. Okay, okay, Kiss, but I mean, okay,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: To be fair, forensic science was not what it was
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: or what it is now back in nineteen seven two.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, unlike, what was it we were
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: just watching, Oh was it the Jeffrey Spence trial. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think it was where like a deputy was the coroner,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and this town was so small. Everybody had like three
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: or four jobs. But at least at least the pathologist
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: was a physician and not just an investigator. So there's that, sorry,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the forensics have come a long way. Like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of other things when it comes to investigations.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Arenberg had to transport the remains to a hospital and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth to be x rayed. The results showed no broken
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: or fractured bones, no bullet holes, no knife strikes. While
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the emmy continued to try to solve the mystery of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: how the question of who was easily solved by dental
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: records there was the remains were, without a doubt, Jeanette
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: di Palma Emmy, Ehrenberg made the determination that it was
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: possible that Jeanette had been the victim of strangulation. No
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: records have been shared that explain why he made that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: vague statement. He did say that he couldn't perform a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: traditional autopsy due to the marked state of decomposition, sure
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: due to that the tissue samples sent to the lab
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: were returned is not suitable for alcohol testing, and Arenberg
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: requested drug testing on the sample, but somewhere down the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: chain of custody, the narcotics and barbituous tests requested were
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: crossed out and never performed.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: H Does that makes sense?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Not, though I don't know if a toxicology depending how
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: long she has been decposed for, I don't know what
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it produced.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: For you, it's like six weeks if we're missing to found.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well now we'll never know because they didn't even
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: bother So. Another oddity from the autopsy was that a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: tissue sample showing significantly elevated levels of lead. Now Jeanette
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: tested at six hundred and ninety four micrograms per liter,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and seven hundred and fourteen micrograms is a lethal dose? Like, what?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: How how did she come?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Was it?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was makeup? Well, it's the seventies.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Never mind, I forgot. We're in the seventies where everything
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: lead was everywhere, in the gasolene and the paints everywhere.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Now you guys, it's in your protein shakes. That's a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: different story. Not for now. That was fun to learn
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: about the other day.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Your vegetables, yeah, yeah, and chocolate and chocolate, yes.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But lead poisoning comes with symptoms, and Jeannette hadn't shown any.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: The best theory at present is that the test had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: accidentally included soil she was laying on. Seems like something
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that could have been tested easily enough at the time.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But what do I know. I'm not even a Dunce patrolman. Nope, Nope,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: not at all. But I don't know. I don't know
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: if it could have just been from the dirt, this
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: case dirt, I know, right, see what the dirt says, Well,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: then somebody might yeah, all of the things, right, all right.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So the death certificate listed the cause of death as
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: pending further study. So that's me. I've never seen a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: death certificate labeled that. Maybe that was before undetermined. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: don't I don't.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Know, spoilers, there was no further st.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: There wasn't one.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: So well.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: The cross necklace that Jeanette always wore, though, was not
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: around her neck and was never found. Her pocketbook and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: clothing were transported to the Springfield Police Department, where the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: police proceeded to hang Jeanette's clothing outside of the building
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: by the AC exhaust for you think that's stupid for
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: three fucking days. Yes, that's right, just out there right
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: by the exhaust. Just they're just really knocking out of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the park. I mean, is this better or worse than
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts State Police? I don't know. I don't know now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Schwartz implied this was due to how bad they smelled,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: but I I just can't. All right, I get it,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: they smell bad, but like, what are you doing? What
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Eventually the clothes and pocketbook were sent
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: away for forensic testing by people who hopefully know better
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: than these dunces. That's right, I am team detect dipsnow
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and listen. I wanted to believe in you, patrol man.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I did, But I'm starting to get it now. I'm
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: starting to get while they were like, oh, yeah, no,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: we don't. We're not going to talk about it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: They didn't want you round for the investigation. Messing it up.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, look, messing up all of the things.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So y'all are smart and you probably call the The
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: mention of witchcraft and Satanism has been very minimal so far.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: We've got schwart talking about a wooden cross and a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: stone halo. Someone mumbled it looks like witchcraft and they
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: weren't even named in the report, just said someone said that,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and the fact that the location was called the Devil's Teeth. Now,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, at least say there was like a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: rune carved in a tree or something.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Ha ha, funny, funny.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Not a room, not a room. So you may be
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: surprised to learn that on September twenty ninth, ten days
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: after the discovery of Jeanette's remains, the local paper, The
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Daily Journal, dropped the headline girls sacrificed in which right
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: question mark. This article stated that a review of crime
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: scene photos were leading authorities to believe that Jeannette died
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in a ritual sacrifice. They wrote that pieces of wood
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: framed her body like a coffin quote. Officially, authorities gave
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: no comment on the symbolism. They agree privately, however, that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the investigation has turned towards cultism.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Just remember that, all those details.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Now, it's pretty nice of these authorities to an write
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: this journalist into their private discussions.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Right by the way, cappin, that was Laney's birthday? Where
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you said, September twenty ninth, nineteen seventy two, Laney's literal birthday.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Well there you go. Now we know what the newspaper
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: said the day you were born.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Hello Kelly, Sorry, you must have been on the next page.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Where were we?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So they go on to say in this article that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a number of sacrifices had been reported in the area
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: around the quarry, which is the watch on reservation.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: All these sacrifices, yet not a lot of reporting about them.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: That's kind of weird, right A dead goat? Oh wait,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: A number of sacrifices, some involving dead animals, have been reported.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Junion County Park police in the Wachu Reserve discovered burning candles,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a bowl with blood and feathers, and pigeons with their
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: next snap. A dead goat was reportedly found elsewhere in
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: what appeared to be a right okay, all right, but listen,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I'd reserve trusting this Daily Journal.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, what are the sacrifices that didn't involve that animal?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Like vegetation? Yeah? Why not? Now?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Something else fun is that the article tries to link
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Jeannette di palmas whitchy death to the List family. Yep,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: that's right, guys, we met them not that long ago.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: This whole situation is very close to that creepy List mansion,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and it's just under a year after the List Family murders,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: which is also how Cavin stumbled upon this case. Now,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the List Goes are hanging around, if you will. Now,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: we didn't go deep into it. But John Lyst's daughter
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Patricia was rumored to be a witch or have witch books. Now,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: as I recall it, the intel came from the creepy
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: drama coach who seemed to really enjoy attention after the murders.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You remember that creepy guy. He was crapy. He definitely
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: said no, did not and he was did not care
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: for him either, a lot of questions about that guy. Yes,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that guy suspicious.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Really really interested in becoming famous after these murders.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, he definitely said that she tried to give
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: him a witch book and asked him to go to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a witch orgy. Because that sounds like that happened.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Sorry, that didn't come up in our List story because
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it smelled pretty strongly a bullshit and we respect Patricia
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: List more than that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: What we did cover in that story, though, is that
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: John List definitely did it. It wasn't witchy or satanic.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: He said it was about God, But that was kind
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of just a lame excuse for him to start over
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: debt free. So what I'm saying is just maybe the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Daily Journal is full of shit here, because that checks
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: out so far.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Now, locals do say that Even before Jeanette's death, there
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: were rumors of witches in the area. The watch On
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Reservation was used as a spot for kids to hang out,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: make out, whatever, but they were told to get out
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of there at night because of sacrifices. Stuff. That sounds
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: more like a way to scare kids into not staying
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: out late than something based in reality.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, let's be honest. Which book says
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember which book it. I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: don't think he ever specified what book patrial he I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: don't think so.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: No, it was it was some like sexy witchbooks. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: because this was it was like really gross friend fiction,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: oh student fiction. So now to put it into context,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: this was a particularly religious area and the Dipalmas Church
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: pastor James Tate was known for being a fire and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: broomstone kind of guy. And you know, you know that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: pastor jumped right into the media game, changing the story
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: from witches to Satan worshippers.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course, oh Satanists may have sling girl. No,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: not the Satanist now, and it was kind of a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: hot time for Satan worshippers. The Rosemary's Baby movie was
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: released in nineteen sixty eight. The book The Exorcist was
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: released nineteen seventy one, and it was only a few
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: years after the Manson family murders, and the media had
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: also tried to spin them as being satanic without any
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: evidence other than the brutality of their crimes. But you
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: know what, now that we've gone through the basics of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the case itself, let's see what we can find out
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: about Jeanette's shall we.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Like an older Blair witch that moves so creepy and scary.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So. Jeanette de Palma was born in Jersey City on
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: August third, nineteen fifty six. Her father, Salvatore, was a
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: World War Two veteran who ran an auto salvage shop
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in Newark. Her mother, Florence, had her hands full at
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: home with their seven children, which I don't really go
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: into it, but pretty much everyone mentioned in the story
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: has like seven children or eight. We are in Catholic country, Okay,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I mean Jewish people too. But the family moved to Springfield,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: New Jersey, about twenty minutes west of Newark in the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: mid nineteen sixties. Springfield was known for its clean parks
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and lack of graffiti and gangs. Compared to other nearby suburbs.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: It had mainly been populated by religious families moving away
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: from Manhattan and Long Island, and as years past, the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: religious groups had been sure to block any negative establishments
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: from opening in town. Examples of negative establishments include adult bookstores,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: biker bars, and tattoo parlors. But before, yeah, well before
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: you get too smug, this list also includes car washes
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and pinball machines. Scandalous, it's giving, it's giving trouble in
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: river City with a capital T that rhymes with P
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that stands for pinball.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I guess pinball because of wizards, I guess.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: But the like New Jersey, I don't know when did
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: definitely around this time.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: They had to have been seventies.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Well we're in the seventies, aren't we.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: We are sorry somebody pays Google when buzard.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: But car washes, I mean, New Jersey is so weird
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: about stuff when it comes to cars, Like, what is
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: their deal there? You can't pump gas. The car washes
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: are the devil's water. I guess what's wrong with car washes? Okay, okay,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. Also you can't buy clothes on Sundays or
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: something stupid like that, New Jersey. I have questions for you,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: lots of questions. No offense to where you live, lady,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but I got questions right, all right. So the Dipalmas
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: moved into a large house in a newer area of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: town and immediately started getting the stink guy from some
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of their neighbors. They didn't leave the house much, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: when they did, they didn't talk a lot. Something wasn't
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent with that family, a neighbor recalled, I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's what they sound like, or if
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it was even a female, but I'm going to go
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: with it was. Apparently, being Italian and somewhat private earned
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the family mafia rumors too. One neighbor went so far
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: as to say that Salvatore was a mafia boss. Okay, okay,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: these people love their stories, don't they.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Patrolman ed Kish from you remember him, he's a guns
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: said that he was called to the Diploma house many
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: times in the nineteen seventies. He said that Sally and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Florence would get into a fight and someone would call us,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and by the time we got there, Florence would turn
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: us away. She'd say things like, well, there was a problem,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: but now there's not, and a family member later confirmed
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that Salvator Senior was rotten to his wife. I mean, okay,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: pinball was in nineteen sixty nine, by the way, Kemp, Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, the wizards are on the loose at this time.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I mean all the wizards I know love playing pinball.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I love sixty nine.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, continue on, cap, carry on. Now.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You would think being very involved with their church, the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Assemblies of God evangel Church in Elizabeth, New Jersey, would
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: earn the DiPalma some points with neighbors, but that was
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the wrong kind of religion for them. It was kind
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: of Evangelical Catholic, not traditional Catholic. People sound super fun,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: so fine, not judgmental at all, but they were very
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: into their church, and Jeanette was no exception. She was
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: active in the church's youth activities and was a Christian ambassador,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: which meant she tried to witness to others about her
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: faith in Jesus.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Fine.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Her best friend Gail recalled a trip to an
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: amusement park where Jeanette insisted they spend some time witnessing
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: between riding rites girls, which we weren't doing it six
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: flags over Georgia, I'll tell you that much.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Uran King Zion either he had have been behind me. Actually,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that looks like one of our rides, the Racer, which
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I do not ride. So Jeanette even had a very
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: innocent relationship with the pastor's son, Wayne Tait. He said
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: they were drawn to each other but lived in different
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: towns and only saw each other at church. He said
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that one day she told him that they couldn't give
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: enough to their relationship and kissed him on the cheek,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: breaking up with him. And that's obviously only what Wayne
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: had to say after the fact. So grain of salt,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I suppose, because that doesn't really sound like a relationship
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: at all. But when you got some religious teens, oh
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: my goodness, things are very dull but very serious. Okay.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: But Wayne did kind of put their interest in the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: church into the context of the seventies Jesus movement, where
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: hippie started getting into Christianity after a decade of partying.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder how they all played out. I wonder what
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they grew up to be. Like, I've had lots of fun,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: so it was kind of a trendy thing to do
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: at the time. According to the super Trustworthy Daily Journal,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Janette wanted to go to Trinity Bible Institute in North Dakota,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: North Dakota after graduating from high school. So she seems
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like a very decent, good girl, you know, just your
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: normal freaking teenager, nothing crazy. I don't understand how you'd
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: be super into Jesus but then also into witchcraft, but whatever.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: While we have all these church members who had their
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: view of Jeannette, then Pastor Tate had a different story
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to tell. Despite sorry, despite telling newspapers she had been
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: pious and devout. I am potentially killed for trying to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: preach about Jesus to Satanists. He later said she was
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: reading a book on Satanism and that while she may
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: have attended church, her interest was not in Jesus but
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the occult. Wow, it's kind of a big differing stories there.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: There doesn't seem to be anyone else who knew about
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: this book, though one other source did report years later
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that Jeanette owned The Satanic Bible by Anton Levey, which
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: was published in nineteen sixty nine, which we all know
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is the same year that Pinball Wizard came out.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Really, you think she had this
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: book get out of here? I don't think she did.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. It's the us son. It's the only
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: person the publication.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: But that's not reliable.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of questions of the story.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Those are not reliable.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: So you'll have that. So then we have what her
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: peers at the Jonathan Dayton Regional High School got. Students
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that didn't know her had heard rumors that she had
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a bit of a wild side and that she experimented
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: with drugs and that she was promiscuous. Imagine, to be fair,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the peer who called her wild gave the disclaimer, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: don't think wild meant anything other than Jeanette wasn't the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: perfect Christian child that her mother believed her to be.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And that is fair because who exactly is perfect, especially
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: in high school?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Especially in high school. I mean, come on out of here,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I'm already of the story makes me so mad, you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it just it really does. They're just throwing like they
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: are so victim blaming. Its disgust. It really is. You'll see,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it's worse. It does get worse. So her friends made
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: her out to be a kind of fun girl, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: she looked fun Jeanette. I would have probably hung out
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: with Janette. She looked pretty cool. She smoked pot, she
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: hit hikes, she loved Janice Joplin The Horror, Oh my God.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Her cousin and close friend Lisa, said that while Jeannette
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: would smoke pot when it was offered, she never bought
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: it for herself or did it regularly. According to Lisa,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Jeanette didn't even drink. Her bestie, Gail, laughed when asked
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: if Jeanette could have overtoast on drugs. She told an
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: anecdote about them sneaking booze from Gail's dad's liquor cabinet,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and Jeanette suggested that they jump up and down to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: mix the alcohol in their stomachs and get drunk faster.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So if you're asking if Jeanette had knowledge of hardcore
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: drug use, my answer is hell no. That's Gayle's quote.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And I like Gail exactly, Like, come on on, she
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: just smooks some poet, which you're not going to ode over,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: especially in nineteen seventy two. I here, yeah, like what right, exactly,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: lady exactly.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Not helping all of these rumors about Jeanette being a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: bad girl is our least favorite Dunce patrolman, and he
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: said that the cops referred to her as party girl
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and that he had pulled her out of dudes back
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: seats on multiple occasions, which only makes him sound psycho
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: like knock on a window, my guy. It doesn't sit
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: well with me that a police officer is talking shit
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: about a dead girl, whether or not he believes she
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: is the victim of a crime. She's still a sixteen
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: year old girl who has passed away. What on earth
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is gained by this?
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm completely grossed out about the way Jeanette was
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: talked about and used by other people for their fucked
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: up agendas, because that's all it is. Just they've come
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: up with stories to push whatever they want to do,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and it's just disgusting because she's a child. And then
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it makes it seem like nobody should solve this case
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: because she deserved it. But I will say this about Kish,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you should just talk a lot. You know, something in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the true crime world that is always interesting is that
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: when somebody is guilty of something, they tend to over
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: involve themselves and run their mouths a lot. Kish just saying,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you're not even like one of the lead investigators. Why
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: are you even running your mouth.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: He's not despective. He's a Dunce patrolman.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Dunce patrolman. I'm just saying, yeah, he has been suspicious.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: He's suspicious to me.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's As I was doing the research for
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: this case, I kept a list at the end of
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: my research of who I thought it was from moment
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: to moment. Oh, he's definitely on the list. But unfortunately
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the list is like, it's incredibly long. By the there's
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: so many weirdos.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Now. Jeanette's sister Cindy had my absolute favorite response to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: ed Kish, saying, quote, this cop seems to be feeding
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: people a lot of bullshit that he does, Cindy, that
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: he does. Other cops said that they knew of no
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: prior incidences involving Jeanette. When last impression of Jeanette can
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: be found in her own diary. The last entry, written
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: about two weeks before her disappearance, has been shared on
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a Hulu original series called Out There. It details Jeanette's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: hitching a ride to a party with Gail to see
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: their respective boys Joe and Robert. Two other drunk boys
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: greeted them, but when Jeanette saw Joe, she lost her
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: train of thought. So, kappin, you care to read a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: little of this for us. We do love journal entries
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: around here.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I gave myself this part.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Oh damn.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's just a random picture.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Oh I see it, says not Jeanette as I look
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: at the side.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, seventies party, the trol man. Okay, damn, I forgot
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: what I was talking about because Joe's eyes turned me on. Oh.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I decided to leave the room before I jumped on him.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Remember I was playing it cool.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: So she and Joe went outside together until the mosquitoes
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: drove them back in, where one of the boys who
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: had been flirting with her earlier yelled at her rude.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Then she went downstairs to a room with a mattress
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and she wrote some time comes over to me and
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: tried to make it with me, shoving Southern Comfort down
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: my throat. I took it because I was mad. Then
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Joe comes down. Yeah, Southern Comfort. Yeah, he was just
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: sitting and watching us. When Ken tries to kiss me.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I told Joe to get his butt down,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: because he was all I wanted that night. I found
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: out a lot about Joe and I was happy. So
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: some greaser decides to lay down and he tried to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: get rid of Joe so he could have me. So
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I called good old Gail. She was attacked by Ken
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: while I made out with Joe. She was a great night.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: It was a great night, Gail, I went, Gail is
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: my bestie. Just if you're still out there, Gail, come
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: on our shirts.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Still out there. I hope she's not with Ken.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I hope she's not with Ken either.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: The use of the word attacked in that right, I hope.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, sure, good old Gail. Right, we all need a
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: friend like Gail. Now, it's pretty likely that Jeanette partied.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, she said so herself, whatever, whatever. I wouldn't
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: exactly take a teenage girl's diary as gospel, but let's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: take her at her word. She partied, she'd liked boys,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: she was a headero high school girl, and that's what
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: they do. If anything, this just adds to my already
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: lengthy list of suspicious people in her life, because there
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: is quite a few. Look at the collar on that shirt, Wow.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Look at that hair hair my inspiration and I, oh,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: isn't Kapin looking fine tonight?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Everyby tell her in the chat how good she looks.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: She looks amazing.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Enough now that I'm looking at Darlene solevant. We know
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Jeanette accepted rides and took drugs and alcohol that was
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: offered to her, and these are risky behaviors for anyone
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: when they don't know who's doing the offering. Sure, there
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: are many possible ways that Jeanette could have ended up
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: dead on top of the Devil's Teeth. Unfortunately, the police
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: never shared any theories that were backed by evidence.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And no one's surprise. I know our captain is always beautiful,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: isn't she? It's true now as far as the crime
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: scene goes, there ended up being three different stories of
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: the satanic symbols around her remains. Oh boy, buckle up, friends.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: We heard earlier that the cop who found her said
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: a cross above her head and stones arranged like a halo.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Then Jeanette's cousin Lisa, climbed to the top of Devil's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Teeth three days after the body was discovered and found
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the scene still preserved with police tape. The body was gone,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: but a dark stain in the earth showed her where
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: it had been. Because that's exactly what happens now. Lisa
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: described the positioning of the body exactly as Officer Schwart had,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: including details that hadn't been released to the press. But
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: her description of this scene included logs above her head
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and below her feet perpendicular to her body, and many
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: small crosses made from twigs laid on top of each other.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: That's a lot going on there, okay, all right, Ruby, Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the newspapers ran another version, of course. They did the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: large crossed on schwartzl the small crosses Lisa saw, and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: logs arranged all around the body in the shape of
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: a coffin. Townspeople swore she was found in the middle
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of a pentagram, of course, and kiss our freaking favorite
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: for all of his bullshit, though said he didn't see
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: any events, so one half point for ed, all right,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I mean the bullshit, but this was like, hey, it's
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: probably like, well, it's not the bullshit I made up,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: so it can't be true.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, he does have his own bush well. So for
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: many years, these varied accounts were all the community knew.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: The newspaper headlines the witches and Satanists made Jeanette's death
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: an ominous memory for locals. It was decades later when
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: magazine and website Weird New Jersey found the case. A
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: reader had sent in a vague memory of a girl
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: being sacrificed in the woods, and more stories poured in.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Two journalists dug into the cold case, reaching out to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Jeanette's friends, family, cops, and whoever they could find who
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: would give them a morsel of truth. They found that
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: some of the microfilm reels of daily Journal archives mentioning
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Jeanette had been deliberately destroyed, but that only made them
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: more determined to uncover the story. And of course they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to see those crime scene photos.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but deliberately destroyed. Very interesting, very interesting.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Why Leanie says, I have a Weird New Jersey book
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and used to get the monthly magazines. I didn't even
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: know about Weird New Jersey. But guess what I'm going
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: to be looking up and going down. I love weird shit.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I mean that's like our main source for through. The
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: guys from Weird New Jersey, they were like, hey, when
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: they were when they got all do it there, Yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: They're more credible than the Daily Journal or whatever their
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: stupid name was. Yeah, they were told that Jeannette's case
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: file had been destroyed in nineteen ninety nine during Hurricane Floyd,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: which was bad. It was not good. A retired officer
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: told them that the file had gone missing earlier in
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: the eighties. They proceeded to write a book, Death on
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the Devil's Teeth, which has been the best source of
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: information for tonight's episode. So if you haven't read it,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I suggest going to go read it. It's about the
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: most accurate thing you've got for this. So there you go.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty four, that's right, just last
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: year they got a surprise. They received a copy of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Jeanette's case file from the Union County Prosecutor's office from
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a Freedom of Information Act request fire filed years previously.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: All right, New Jersey apparently ain't quick to do shit.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: So that's interesting. And guess what they had the crime
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: scene photos. Oh boy, oh boy, Sam says Loma. You
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole so I can just get
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: spoon fed the important parts please. All right, So here
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: we are, folks. Don't worry. The remains have been redacted
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: out of respect. We're here to see these witchy sacrifice
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: symbols we've been told about, more so than Jeanette's body.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: So don't worry none of that. All right, we got
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: a slides show there. I'm gonna pause and look at
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: these because I haven't entirely got to look at them
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: all yet because I couldn't get into play. But now
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: it is Wow, look at all that stuff around her
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that looks just like trees, and there's literally nothing. I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: was expecting there to be, like barerass ground. No, there's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: just leaves and sticks all over the place.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So there's there's something around her.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Is there.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: A bunch of dudes?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yes?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Now, if these dunces were swarming her like they obviously were,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and we heard that earlier, there were just like a
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: million people on top of a cliff, Like, how is
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: it that Lisa came up two days later and found
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: a bunch of crosses there like they would be They
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: would have been trampled by this for sure. If they
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: were there at the time of death. I guess somebody
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: could have done them after the fact, but.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: They could I've done that, that's true. I mean, there's
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: a body in the woods and you know, different angles
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and not a cross in sight by my books, not
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: a stone halo, not you know, gigantic logs shaped in
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a coffin. I mean, I didn't see it. Did anybody
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: else see it? Because I didn't see it. You know,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: it was just a girl whose life ended too soon,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: you know, laying in the wilderness. It looks very normal
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, yeah, it's too bad, badly Yeah yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, even if they hadn't disrupted the crime scene,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: with the way it looks, I don't think they would
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: have been able to find much anyway, to be honest.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But still that's not the point, not the point.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Now, remember the purse because the police collected, yes, so
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: much like the items around the body. There are some
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: serious inconsistencies there. Ed Kish said he picked it up
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and looked through it for ID and drugs. If we
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: all remember m Well, this diagram is from the released
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: case file, and it shows no purse but the items
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: from her person theory strewn on the ground near the remains.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Now you would think if Kish had picked up an
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: empty purse he would have said that. Also, the list
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: of items includes a clear vial of an unknown substance
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: that was never tested because of course, I mean interesting,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: there's been talk of drug use, but let's not test
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: that vial.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Right, It's a weird thing to be caring around anyway.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean someone I've heard that it maybe was
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: like cough met or cold medicine. She had like a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: little bit of cold to day she left. But test
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: it that you can smell cold medicine, right, we heard that,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: don't know, ye, so we heard the purse was sent
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: for additional testing along with Jeanette's clothes. Now, as of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, the story now is there was never
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: any purse at the scene. It was taken along with
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: her necklace.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And who who again was it that's brought up the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: purse kiss it Dunce patrolman ed kissing.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: But I mean multiple police officers mentioned the purse because
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: they're talking about it being sent off to testing, and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: they're talking about it like where it was stored in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the municipal building. The purse was mentioned multiple times, and
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: now they're saying it never existed. And I feel like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I'm taking crazy pills because either like I don't know
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: where the fuck up is, but the fuck up is
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: big case, because like if the contents of the purse
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: were strewn on the ground near her body, that kind
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: of changes the narrative a little bit, right, like running
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: in her purse build open? Did somebody dump her purse out?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: There could be finger prints on the purse, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: could have been could have been fingerprints on the purse.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: We told you guys would not be happy with this investigation, okay.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: And we do know that the clothes were never tested
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: because a man named Ed Salzano sued the Union County
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office in twenty nineteen to test them. Solonzo and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: his partner Holly Zuel started a group called Justice for
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Jeanette that is still fighting for a real investigation to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: be done. I'm so glad somebody is doing this. Salzano
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: was given some documents by Jeanette's family, including a report
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: stating that stains found in Jeannette's clothes were to decompose
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: for a conclusive blood and semen examinations back in nineteen
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: seventy two. But that was nineteen seventy two, baby, all right,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: we have come a long way with that ground breaking
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: technology called DNA. A judge, however, threw out their lawsuit,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: saying the Salzanos didn't have standing to sue and couldn't
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: tell the police how to do their jobs. Well, somebody
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: needs to tell them how to do their damn jobs.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Who's going to tell them?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Also, MVPs right here, Holly and Ed real heroes.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Those two.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Doing the work that the police shirt is fucking doing.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: They're trying to get they're trying to get stuffed on.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I don't always agree with them, but they're trying to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: get stuffed on, I guess. And they have the damn
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: family members they have, not the pastor we've talked about,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: but like the pastor later who knew the family, because
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I guess Florence Jeanette's mother basically came to this pastor
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: and was like, make sure this keeps going because what happened,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: like what was reported, is not what happened. So they
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: they're trying to do the work so much. Yeah. Now,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: if we are calling the satanic panic angle of this
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: case bullshit, which we are, what are the leading theories?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: We know this town is gossipy as fuck, so there
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: is plenty of speculation. There's the classic theory that she
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: OWEDI did a party and her friends dumped her some
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: real I know what you did last summer? Shit, I'll
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: buy it. Everyone that is talking all the time about everything,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I think somebody would have spooked by now.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I think so too. And it's nineteen seven. What are you, oh,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Dane on honestly weed and drinking. I mean, our friends
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: were very honest about what she did.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: So I just I don't know. I don't buy that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: either at all. It's stupid. And why drop her off
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: there at a very hard to get to a ravine.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Would they have carried her body up there like that?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of work when the fireman how
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to use a freaking ladder. But anyway, so maybe mister
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: de Palma was in the mafia, and maybe this was
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a hit. You know, it happens, but it's a little
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: far fetched. I think it's very far fetched to even
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: make it on my list either. It's about as clear
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: as the Satanic panic worshipers. I know, thank you doesn't
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: fit into the narrative, I feel. The police interviewed a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: homeless man who had been living in the court and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: some of Janette's male friends, but everyone was cleared. Which
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: should they have been cleared. We don't know because we
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: see how their investigation was done. I don't know what
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: they mean, Like, how did they get clear? Do they
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: all have alibis? Did you even check what their alibis were?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: We were like, no, you're a good old boy. You
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't possibly have done this horrible thing.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, the thing that's so not funny about
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: this homeless man theory is, I guess this guy's camp
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: was like right by where her body was found, but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: they didn't find it when they were searching the scene.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: So this is why I'm like, what are y'all doing?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Also, how could it have been the homeless guy? Like
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: where did he even meet her at? She had to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: have gotten there somehow, And I don't think it's from
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: the homeless guy. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make any sense,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: all right. And then Ed Kissich has his own theory,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: even though he is my theory that it was an
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: older guy who used to give Jeanette rides. Well Ed,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: that's a really interesting things to say, Ed, An older
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: guy that used to give Jeanette rides must be somebody
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: she trusted.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: The guy was accused of assaulting multiple girls at high
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: school and moved away not long after Jeanette's disappearance, which
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: again is another creepy, weird guy. But I think Ed
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Shirt does have a lot of opinions. Of course Ed
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: has a theory. Of course he does, of course he does. Anyway,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I think we're getting a little bit more warmer and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: realistic here. Okay, this is usually always somebody that you know, usually,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: but maybe quite not what you got. Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Well, there's another theory, and it is a doozy. We
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: can't go into all the details, but there's the theory
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: that Jeannette was not the only victim of.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Whoever killed her, which I agree, by the way.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Probably eight days after Jeanette's disappearance, another young woman disappeared
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: from South Orange, New Jersey. Joan Leslie Kramer asked a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: man for a ride home late at night and was
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: found twelve days later, nude and faced down in a
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: wooded area of a park. Her clothes were found nearby,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: but her shoes and necklace were missing.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: The missing nicholas, one of.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Her neckbones was fractured. Jeanette's autopsy had been vague, but
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: there had been the suggestion of strangulation. The girls had
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: similar hair, similar builds and both hitched rides. They were
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: both missing necklaces, and.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: It looks like their spots are very similar looking. That's
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: an interesting Now, it's possible that these victims aren't connected. Sure,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: there could be different monsters out there. New Jersey is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: a big place with plenty of devils. I mean they're
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: in the middle of putting a devil away now with
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Lisk and how many corrupt cops are involved as well.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: But that's a different story. We won't go into it.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: But Long Island too, Oh yeah, did any live in
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: New Jersey? I thought New Jersey had something to do
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I mean it's close.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we could the stories that I get
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: so confused at some points of like who did what?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: We're why do we just do something with New Jersey?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, it doesn't matter, okay, But we
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: do have a clue as to who killed Joanne Joan
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: sorry sorry Joan Leslie Kramer, because there was a witness
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: to her getting in a man's car near the South
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Orange train station. So in nineteen seventy four, two years
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: after Joan and Jeannette's deaths, a man was arrested in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: South Orange New Jersey for attacking his ex wife's neighbors
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: in their home, and damn if he didn't look just
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: like the sketch of the man last seen with Joan
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Leslie Kramer. Let's take a look at this guy's stupid face.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Oh? Not the sketch, but okay,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that he doesn't look like crazy. He looks
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: like a decent guy that you'd probably be like, Yeah,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you know what, he looks decent. I'll get in the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: car with him.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: He's an accountant.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, so was Lisk. He's no, wait, he's an architect.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys, I need a brain break.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: You know what happened is I put too much knowledge
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: in my brain today and now it's just like you
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: don't know. We're just going to say things to say things.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, architects everywhere are about at you right now. Okay, accounting, sorry, lady,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: So auto O'Neil Nilsen was held for a fifteen day
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: psychiatric evaluation and then released on a two year suspended
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: sentence with orders to stay out of South Orange Cool.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: His neighbor, who he attacked in his home out of nowhere,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: was told that he was a suspect in another crime
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: and was released in the hopes of gaining evidence. For
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the record, that's just what you tell people right through
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the cops. Yeah, for the record, though, Nelson's ex wife,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: who he obviously has also attacked before this, and neighbors
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: all suspected he'd strangled enough young woman Carol Anne Farino
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty six, And like, I know, neighbor gossip,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: but if everyone thinks this guy strangled this woman once.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, is this the same community that's been running
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: their mouth about Jeanette?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Different one?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Right, this is South Orange I think versus Springfield as Jeanette.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: But they're close, Okay.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Now, the witness in the Cramer case positively I d.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Nilsen asked the man last seen with Joan, and he
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: was arrested for her murder. Unfortunately, though the only evidence
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: they had was that witness who had seen Auto but
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: only seen Joan from behind, and a security guard who
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: had also seen Joan get into the car but not Auto.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Nilsen showed up in court with a big old beard,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: refusing to shave it when asked trying to mess with
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: the witness. She held strong that he was definitely the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: man she'd seen that night as she interacted with him
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: at a bar earlier in the evening. She looks a
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: lot like Joan.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Oh that sorry, that is Joan. I didn't that Joan. Yeah,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't put a picture of the witness And she's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: still alive. I hope she's like living her best life.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: She was just trying to help. Also, sorry, yeah, that's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: jo I was like, wow, I think I mean Joan
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: and Jeanette both are like beautiful woman or girls. Joan
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: especially sounds like a like a badass. She was like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: a revolutionary young woman going to Columbia University. But so
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: the witness is on the stand. She made the mistake
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: of saying that she'd seen a South Orange police officer
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: out that night and that he could confirm her story. Now,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: the officer got on the stand and testified that he
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: had not been out that night because he was in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: rehab at the time. He wasn't supposed to be outside
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: of the hospital facility, and he definitely wasn't supposed to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: be out drinking. So the officer said he hadn't been there,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: and he kept his job and his pension, but it
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: put a ding in the witnesses testimony because it she said.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: But how different are police uniforms? Just wondering because I'm
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: still in my d theory, just saying, would you know
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: that I was a different police officer that late at night?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean the common theory is that this police
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: officer was lying on the stand because he was a.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Horrible Oh okay, never mind.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I don't know if he's alive or no.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, well there's a lot of awesome police
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: people in the story story.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: It hurts my brain all right now. Nilson's public defender
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: told the jury that the witness was mistaken, that there
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: was no evidence, and that the police had just wanted
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: to close this case and make the wealthy Kramer family happy,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: which okay, yes, but also, if you don't have the evidence,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you don't have the evidence. The prosecution countered that they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: had two witnesses and that the autopsy showed Joan had
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: died about two hours after eating dinner at home. So
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: the person who picked her up killed her. H I mean, probably,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: but that could have been multiple people.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I just kind of see why they might have this
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: might have happened.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: So it just.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Wasn't enough for the jury. Nielsen was found not guilty
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: in July nineteen seventy five. He traded in his car
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: a few months after Joan and Jeanette's disappearances, and the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: police hadn't been able to search it. He also stopped
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: by Joan's father's work shortly after her death. So that's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: this guy's totally suspicious. But if that's all I got,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: it's not great.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: This guy's creepy as hell. The woman who saw him
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: pick up Joan moved to California for her own safety.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Now, I do also understand that there was not enough
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: evidence to convict him. But from everything I've read about him,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: from you know, his alcoholism, his mental health problems, his
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: episodes of violence, I this is I mean, I one
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: think he killed Joan Kramer. As far as Jeanette, that's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: more murky. Now, of course, all the records from the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: trial and from Joan Kramer's death have gone missing. Maybe
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: they will mysteriously turn up in a decade or so.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: A whole another County Jersey digs into it.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Get it together. In New Jersey.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Otto wasn't roaming around for too long, thankfully, he was
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: committed to Trenton State Hospital in nineteen seventy seven after
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: holding two VA doctors at gunpoint in nineteen seventy six.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: He died in nineteen ninety two.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: All Right, so yeah, this guy was not a great guy. Now.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: The Torso killer, Richard Conningham, was also operating in the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: New Jersey area at the time of Jeanette's disappearance. In
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he wrote to one of the journalists
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: at Weird New and hinted that he had killed Jeanette.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: How did he even? He was like twenty twenty one,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to write, We're New Jerseys. What
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do? You didn't get that in prison?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Like what I think he was reading it?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I think so?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I probably would too if I was
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: in prison. Why not? The journalists forward in his writings
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: to the police, and no update has been given by
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: the police. But Jeanette's condition does not seem to fit
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: with Cottingham's pattern of extreme brutality. And yes, I agree,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I very much know about Richard cotting him in it
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: really the same at all?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: No, this is you know, like I found this case
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: from list uh this is this is not a case
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I want to write about. I oh, yes, reading about
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: reading about this guy was like like, I don't even know.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: I tried. I because there was a case. There was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: a victim, two victims of Cottingham who were originally tied
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: to auto'neil Nelson, and so I had originally written about
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: it and it was really really difficult. And then and
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: then when I read an update from like last year,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: they had he had been found guilty of those two victims, thankfully,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: But I was like I knew it. I knew this
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: was different. Like it's so like, yeah, I don't want
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: to cover that case on this channel. It's very it's
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: pretty tough. It's not great. It's just trigger warning all
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: the time. Yes, so, and we like we like weird,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: dark stuff, but that was another level of just like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: disrespect for humanity. So, as we warned you, we I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: can't definitively say what happened to Jeanette Diploma. As of now,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: her death is still ruled suspicious and not a homicide.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Justice for Jeanette has a petition to try to get
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: that changed. As a cold case officer told the organization
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: that designation limits the action the police can take even
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: in the event of a confession or a big break
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: in the case. That petition also states in a twenty
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: twenty four update, we know who did it, but we
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: can't prove it unless her evidence is tested and her
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: body is exhumed. Wisely, they're not sharing that theory with
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: us at this time, but some interviews suggest that they
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: still believe the satanic sacrifice angle. For fuck's sake, I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: am curious what you gentle viewers think happened. If you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: want to write it in the chatter comments.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, let us know what theory you think it could be,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: because I mean, I personally think it's a serial killer
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: of some sort. I don't know. I mean it took
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: her necklace, I don't know. There's a lot going on
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: with the story, and also not a lot going on
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: with the story. It's very confusing. Ed can't keep his
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: freaking mouth shut about anything. Seems to know too much
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, But maybe he just liked the show
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: because he's a dunce patrolman.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Scene.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: You gotta be careful sometimes. But that auto guy, you know,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: very similar to what happened to Joan.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm team Otto as far as who killed her,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: not who I support.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely think Auto would be a big
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: contender as well.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Auto or high school boy. And that's Kish's theory. That
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: is ed Kish's theory. But I'm like that, I buy
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: thee A high school guy who's attacked multiple high school
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: girls escalated in that way, Like that's I buy that
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: more than she oded and a group of people made
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: a pact to never talk about it again.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Lad In Gray thinks it's a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: cereal as well, and he took trophies. I mean, it's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: very very suspicious.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: The one thing I do know is there is no
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: evidence that witchcraft or Satanism was involved. Literally none. You
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: guys see the pictures for yourself. You couldn't even find
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: a nickel in all that garbage, rubbish whatever it's called debris.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't worse, Yes, I guess that's what
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't go in it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: There are sticks crossing each other, so you could see
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: where he's like, that's across. But also that's true, well
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: like sticks do when there's a lunch sticks.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks very natural to me that environment, and
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, sometimes you see what you want to see.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: You know, two sticks can become across. And with all
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: the rumors of witches in the woods, and with all
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: the focus on satanic cults in the media, maybe it
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: was easier to believe that Jeanette was killed by one
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: of them than by a classmate or an accounting because
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: it's usually that right, and that's scary. So, as I said,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray thinks that it was satanic, not satanic,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: not witchcraft, thinks it's a serial killer, and Nettie took trophies,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and that she doesn't think it's a kid either.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: She probably doesn't think it's an account either.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: She's biased, that lady in Gray bias. I tell you now,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. She's not. But yes, let us know
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: in the comments what you think what happened into Jeanette's
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: dipoma that night? All right, Kevin, any closing thoughts for
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: tonight's case.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Look, witches have had it bad enough. Let's
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: stop talking shit about witches. They're not out sacrificing teenagers.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: They're like gardening on a full moon, which is her chill,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: not TikTok witches. But you know what I mean, You
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: know who isn't chill is like everybody in the story.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: My list of suspicious people just grew and grew as
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I was researching. And it is incredibly sad that the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: police can't or won't do testing on the evidence they
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: do have, assuming they know where it is. I'm not
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: sure if we're ever going to get justice for Jeannette,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: but we can keep her memory alive, and we can
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: continue to demand better from journalists and especially from police.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: And I am looking at you, kitch the bitch.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you sir, disgrace Well, you guys, this case is
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: certainly a frustrating one, just in eptness all the way down,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: not even with police, but the media as well. I mean,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: it is seriously disgusting some of the things that they
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  Speaker 1: said that we're based on literally nothing, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: the poor family, right who's looking at the police to
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  Speaker 1: help solve the murder of their daughter and they are
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  Speaker 1: saying some crazy shit. You can't even trust them, right
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  Speaker 1: because it seems they're more occupied with talking about Satanic
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  Speaker 1: worship than finding the killer of your daughter. Like that's
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  Speaker 1: just frustrating. I can't I feel for her family, I
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  Speaker 1: really really do, you know, And I think it's easy
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  Speaker 1: for a pearl clutching community like this one to go
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  Speaker 1: straight to satanic panic because if they didn't, it would
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  Speaker 1: disrupt their bubble that a killer was among them and
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  Speaker 1: probably looked like half the men in their town. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't like that. They're like, no, you'll
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  Speaker 1: know a killer. No you won't.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean some maybe, but most of us, well hopefully
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  Speaker 1: not me. I hope I'm not murdered. But most of
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  Speaker 1: the people that do get murdered are by someone that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: they know, all right, So just keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, the way her story, her legacy,
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  Speaker 1: her memory was tarnished by these clout chasers kish in
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Journal, because that's what they were. It's just appalling.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she was just a normal teenage girl. And
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't think Jeannette's death will be solved. I don't,
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  Speaker 1: but miracles have happened in cases I thought would never
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  Speaker 1: get solved have and I hope for the dipalm is
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  Speaker 1: that is the case. And to the lovely couple that
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  Speaker 1: is doing that hard work to get justice for Jeanette,
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  Speaker 1: like freaking bravo, I would love to have them on
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  Speaker 1: the show to talk to them about their experience in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: investigating this and trying to get answers and the bullshit
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: hoops they probably had to jump through to get that information. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they deserve answers, and so does the memory of Jeanette.
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  Speaker 1: So someday, hopefully we'll have answers of what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Jeanette's dipoma. But it ain't witches and it ain't Satan.
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  Speaker 2: To reiterate stop throwing shade at witches and start showing
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: throwing shade at scarecrows. They are everywhere in my neighborhood,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: and I did not care for it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like meant to be cute and folksy and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: fall and I'm like, why are there? Like I'm driving
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: at night and I think there's a person standing there,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: but it's just a stuffed person.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh I hate that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that's always. Thanks for being here. Stay sharp,
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  Speaker 2: make good decisions, and keep an eye on the scarecrows.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Keep it an eye on your scarecrows. Thank you everyone
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• 1:31:36
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• 1:31:38
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