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9/2/26: Massie Exposes Epstein Co-Conspirators, Ben Gvir Psycho AI Concentration Camp Post, Elon Predicts Robot Takeover · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 4: Well, Congressman Thomas Massey, Congressman for now, that is, was reading,
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  Speaker 4: actually went to the House floor yesterday, read the names
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  Speaker 4: of people he says are.
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  Speaker 3: Epstein co-conspirators on the House floor.
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  Speaker 4: He is now trying very hard for a discharge petition
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  Speaker 4: to force a vote on the Epstein Transparency Act 2.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a bit
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  Speaker 4: of the Congressman on the House floor yesterday. Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Speaker, it's been a year since the President signed the
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  Speaker 5: Epstein Files Transparency Act, and the government continues to withhold
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  Speaker 5: over 3 million files. That's why we've introduced the Epstein
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  Speaker 5: Files Transparency Act II to bring the fight to the
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  Speaker 5: state courts, accountability to the Department of Justice, and closure
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  Speaker 5: for survivors. We want perpetrators of these crimes to be
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  Speaker 5: investigated and prosecuted. Men like Jess Staley, Leon Black, Les Wexner,
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  Speaker 5: David Copperfield, Lapo Elcom, Tom Pritzker, Glenn Dubin, Frederick Fekai,
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  Speaker 5: Eduardo Teodorani, Jean-Luc Brunel, conveniently dead by suicide in prison,
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Siad, recently discovered dead in Paris, Ramsey Elkholy, and
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  Speaker 5: Prince Andrew, who committed sex crimes in the United States too.
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  Speaker 5: And women like Leslie Groff, not a victim, who conspired
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  Speaker 5: with Epstein to traffic other women. Perhaps hearing these names
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  Speaker 5: will shame the Department of Justice into delivering justice.
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  Speaker 6: I yield back.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: He named 14 people. You just heard them there, who
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  Speaker 4: he says are co-conspirators. And Ryan, worth mentioning, when Thomas
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  Speaker 4: Massey was sitting right here at this desk, when we
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  Speaker 4: interviewed him several months ago, right before the primary that
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  Speaker 4: he ultimately lost, when Trump poured all of the money
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  Speaker 4: into the race to back his opponent, he said that
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  Speaker 4: an interesting element of the first Epstein Transparency Act that
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  Speaker 4: he passed with Representative Ro Khanna, Democrat, was he that
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  Speaker 4: you are legally compelled to release all the files that
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  Speaker 4: should be, that don't fall under any of the redaction
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  Speaker 4: exemptions or under any of the classified exemptions, or I
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  Speaker 4: guess classified is not the right word, but exemptions where
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  Speaker 4: you didn't have to release them to the public. Meaning
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  Speaker 4: when a Democratic administration comes in, they could potentially prosecute
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  Speaker 4: people in the Justice Department right now who obstructed the
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  Speaker 4: release of files that were rightfully supposed to be released.
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  Speaker 4: The Epstein Transparency Act, too, seems dead on arrival. Discharge petition.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know that in the middle of the
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  Speaker 4: Iran war, they're going to get enough Republicans to do
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  Speaker 4: round two of this. What ultimately helped with round one
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  Speaker 4: is that Republicans felt they couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: So does it have enough juice?
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  Speaker 7: There was a lot of media coverage at the time
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  Speaker 7: that kind of galvanized public attention. And, well, we went
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  Speaker 7: to war because of that, right? To distract them. We
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  Speaker 7: did a survey yesterday. several weeks into the war, asking
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  Speaker 7: the American people, we sponsored it, Data for Progress did it,
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  Speaker 7: we did it with Zateo, asking the public, do you
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  Speaker 7: think that Trump went to war with Iran in part
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  Speaker 7: to cover up the Epstein, get the Epstein stuff off
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  Speaker 7: the front pages? And by a 50 to 42% margin,
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  Speaker 7: the American people said, yes, we do think that that's
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  Speaker 7: what happened. So I don't want that to be memory hole.
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  Speaker 7: I think historians might have a hard time kind of
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  Speaker 7: believing that, but that certainly was the impression that most
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  Speaker 7: people had. It's ironic that, you know, if you look
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  Speaker 7: at the bar at the bottom here, Iran is right
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  Speaker 7: there at the top and Epstein all the way down,
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  Speaker 7: you know, towards the middle and usually not being covered
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  Speaker 7: at all because they, you know, effectively push this away.
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  Speaker 7: So there needs to be enormous public outrage again. And
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  Speaker 7: you could imagine a world in which Democrats running across
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  Speaker 7: the country and tried to generate attention around it again.
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  Speaker 7: And you got the podcast class and got people upset again.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think we've heard the last of it. I
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  Speaker 7: think so. If if Democrats take over again, you know that, yes,
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  Speaker 7: you can you could prosecute people. They were hoping that
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  Speaker 7: that would be enough to know the threat of prosecution
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  Speaker 7: would be enough to compel the release of these documents. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: that didn't seem to work. And so, you know, Epstein
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  Speaker 7: and Kana tried to sue, but the law did not
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  Speaker 7: have what's called a private right of action, which means that, uh,
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  Speaker 7: somebody is allowed to sue to enforce the, the law.
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  Speaker 7: And so that's what, so that's one thing that this
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  Speaker 7: number two version would do is it would allow people
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  Speaker 7: to bring a case and say, this guy, you need
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  Speaker 7: to release this. You haven't, uh, I have standing in court. Um,
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  Speaker 7: So but yes, like it's a huge uphill climb. People
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  Speaker 7: need to keep the pressure on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's put this next element up on the screen
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  Speaker 4: from the Daily Beast. Embattled Maine Republican senator blasted over
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  Speaker 4: Epstein donors.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 4: Susan Collins has people who have donated to the campaign.
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  Speaker 4: that are in the Epstein files in less than flattering ways,
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  Speaker 4: to say the very least, including Leon Black, including Jay Lefkowitz,
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  Speaker 4: including then you can go on to Peter Thiel. There
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  Speaker 4: are several others who are in the files in ways
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  Speaker 4: that are less prominent than, for example, Leon Black. Elon
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  Speaker 4: Musk gave Susan Collins $ 2, 800. Stephen Schwartzman gave $ 1, 000. to
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  Speaker 4: the super PAC supporting Collins, I think he had $ 3 million,
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  Speaker 4: according to the daily beast reporting, Peter Thiel, 2,300 Lefkowitz,
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  Speaker 4: $ 334 to Collins campaign in 2007. So not a huge one, but, um,
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  Speaker 4: I just checked. Graham Plattner was running on Epstein. He
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  Speaker 4: was talking about Epstein.
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  Speaker 7: Epstein class.
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  Speaker 4: So far, as I've been checking this morning, haven't seen
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  Speaker 4: much at all from Troy Jackson on Susan Collins' potential
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  Speaker 4: Epstein ties or the donor Epstein ties, which is just
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  Speaker 4: a political gift in 2026 if you're running for Senate
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  Speaker 4: against somebody with this in their hands. Background, it's a
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  Speaker 4: real political gif, but so far, not much. Let's put
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  Speaker 4: D3 up on the screen. This is an article from
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  Speaker 4: the Dallas Morning News. You may not know this, but
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  Speaker 4: the Republicans decided to host a midterm convention in Dallas
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  Speaker 4: that has never really been done before. It seems like
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  Speaker 4: just a massive fundraising grift. that they're trying to do,
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  Speaker 4: but this is the headline from Dallas Morning News, Epstein
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  Speaker 4: Files reading room bookmobile coming to Dallas during the GOP convention.
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  Speaker 4: So obviously, this is the, some people have probably heard
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  Speaker 4: about these, they're doing these like pop-up reading.
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  Speaker 3: Rooms where you can go.
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  Speaker 7: It's a pretty cool art project.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can go through the files.
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  Speaker 4: As they bring the like bookmobile to you, all the
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  Speaker 4: files are just like laid out in front. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's coming to the GOP convention. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's a little thing, but underscores that there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of political juice. I mean, most importantly is the substance,
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  Speaker 4: but there's a lot of political juice just like being
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  Speaker 4: kind of left untapped right now by many Democrats in
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  Speaker 4: this story. Yep.
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  Speaker 7: It was gratifying at least to see somebody from the
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  Speaker 7: Democratic Party mention Epstein in that Susan Collins article in
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  Speaker 7: the Daily Beast that you mentioned. But if you look closer,
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  Speaker 7: it was a main state party official, because one of
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  Speaker 7: the criticisms of Jackson's campaign is that it's been pretty
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  Speaker 7: heavily taken over by Washington consultants. He got COVID right
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  Speaker 7: after he won the nomination. So that's one reason you
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  Speaker 7: haven't heard a lot from him. He says he's launching
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  Speaker 7: a basically a town hall tour starting basically this week.
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  Speaker 7: So we'll see if he has some of the same
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  Speaker 7: Epstein fire that Plattner did. From a lot of establishment Democrats,
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  Speaker 7: that was a main thing you heard them complain about Plattner.
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  Speaker 7: They said, oh, he's talking about all this Epstein class stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's anti-Semitic to talk about the Epstein class.
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  Speaker 7: And they wouldn't even, some of them would go to that, but... Morris,
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  Speaker 7: they just think that that's gauche.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody cares.
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  Speaker 7: We've got our talking points that we give our senators.
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  Speaker 7: Just use them.
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  Speaker 4: What they miss is that it's bundled up together with
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  Speaker 4: kitchen table issues. They think it's just kind of abstract
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  Speaker 4: internet controversy, but a lot of people see it as
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  Speaker 4: the catch-all for... everyone who's making your life that much harder,
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  Speaker 4: economically that much harder right now is rigging the system
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  Speaker 4: against you. It's not some like weird, as it was
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  Speaker 4: by a lot of Democrats, framed QAnon conspiracy theory for
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  Speaker 4: wacko abstract internet freaks. To a lot of people, when
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  Speaker 4: you talk about the Epstein class, that hits them as,
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  Speaker 4: or if you talk about Epstein in general, that hits
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  Speaker 4: them as the people who are rigging the game against you.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just some like weird, you know, true crime story.
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  Speaker 4: It has real political meaning and connotation for voters. And
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  Speaker 4: so that's where I think the D.C. consulting class gets
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  Speaker 4: it totally wrong. No, I mean, we all know they
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  Speaker 4: get things wrong often. But this one in particular, they
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  Speaker 4: still don't think, I don't think they fully understand why
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  Speaker 4: it resonates.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's move on to Israel and Ben-Gavir's latest video post.
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  Speaker 7: National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gavir, who's running on kind of
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  Speaker 7: his own slate for the Knesset in this upcoming October election,
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  Speaker 7: released a campaign ad that is one of the most
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  Speaker 7: disturbing you're probably ever going to see. And so disturbing,
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  Speaker 7: in fact, that he eventually, under pressure, deleted it, which
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  Speaker 7: is you know, he is somebody, he is a no apologies,
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  Speaker 7: no shame type of politician. So the fact that he did, like,
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  Speaker 7: we can just, we can start rolling it here, suggests
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  Speaker 7: the level and intensity of the rage. So it begins
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  Speaker 7: with this AI slop of what are, you know, a
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  Speaker 7: bunch of obese Palestinians being shoved into a concentration camp
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  Speaker 7: on a conveyor belt, and they come out As concentration
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  Speaker 7: camp victims emaciated and crying, I don't even think we
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  Speaker 7: need any analysis of it and why there was so
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  Speaker 7: much international and domestic condemnation of it.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like a cartoon scene out of the Holocaust.
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  Speaker 7: Meanwhile, he also put up E2. I think this is
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  Speaker 7: the 15th time that he and his supporters have stormed
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  Speaker 7: the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which under the status quo agreement is
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  Speaker 7: reserved for Muslim worship. Non-Muslims are allowed to visit as
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  Speaker 7: part of the agreement, but not supposed to worship there.
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  Speaker 7: We've got three holy sites there, and they're trying to
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  Speaker 7: work out a compromise, and it's.
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  Speaker 4: With significant eschatological claims to that land. And that's where the, like, millenarian... Right.
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  Speaker 7: He wants to knock down the Dome of the Rock and.
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  Speaker 3: Rebuild the temple.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why it's, I mean, it's kind of the
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  Speaker 3: heart of the entire conflict.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. And particularly, yeah, explain it from the evangelical perspective.
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  Speaker 7: They want to... usher in the apocalypse by building another
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  Speaker 7: temple with the red heifer up there?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, there are some, I mean, there are some,
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about this before, but there are some dispensationalists
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  Speaker 4: still out there, evangelical dispensationalists who believe The building of
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  Speaker 4: the third temple is essential to bring about the second
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  Speaker 4: coming of Jesus Christ. And that's one of the eschatological
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  Speaker 4: claims to the land. It also exists, obviously, for certain Jews.
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  Speaker 4: It exists for certain Muslims.
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  Speaker 3: That's why Al-Aqsa is so important.
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  Speaker 4: For, I mean, what was, October 7th was called Al-Aqsa
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  Speaker 4: flood because they were anxious about the fate of Al-Aqsa
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  Speaker 4: because Ben-Gavir had been doing this.
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  Speaker 7: Ben-Gavir quite specifically. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 7: A couple other quick disturbing updates. Put up E3. This
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  Speaker 7: is a drop site story by Murtaza Hussain. So the
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  Speaker 7: Ugandan parliament has authorized Ugandan troops to be part of
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  Speaker 7: the Board of Peace operation inside Gaza. Murtaza got leaked
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  Speaker 7: documents showing that Israel and particularly Elbit Systems, their largest
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  Speaker 7: weapons maker, has been working with the Ugandan government. security
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  Speaker 7: forces for several years now in developing drone technology there.
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  Speaker 7: So the Ugandan government's use of surveillance drones has rapidly
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  Speaker 7: expanded as a result of their collaboration. This was the
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  Speaker 7: kind of thing, creating these kinds of relationships was the
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  Speaker 7: kind of thing that Jeffrey Epstein was doing when he
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  Speaker 7: was alive. And so one thing it shows is that
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  Speaker 7: while Epstein was kind of a central player in a
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  Speaker 7: lot of this, He was by no means indispensable. The
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  Speaker 7: same things are continuing to go on in his absence.
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  Speaker 7: I did want to cover also this situation unfolding in
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  Speaker 7: Gaza where the Israelis have banned kite flying.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I saw you.
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  Speaker 7: And so people are probably familiar with Rafat Al-Arir's legendary poem,
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  Speaker 7: If I Must Die, which the heart of it is
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  Speaker 7: about him living on in a boy flying a kite.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to go reread that poem, you'll see
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  Speaker 7: flying a kite has become kind of culturally central to
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  Speaker 7: a lot of Palestinians in Gaza. You can imagine why
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  Speaker 7: it represents in an open air prison and at least
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  Speaker 7: a momentary sense of liberation. And so a couple of
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  Speaker 7: kites were found in Nahal Oz, the kibbutz, one of
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  Speaker 7: the closest kibbutzes to Gaza. And the residents there panicked
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  Speaker 7: and said, we need to put a stop to these kites.
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  Speaker 7: And so the video went viral of a young Palestinian
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  Speaker 7: boy who put up E4 up abiding by this rule
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  Speaker 7: that all of these kites that he made himself have
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  Speaker 7: to be destroyed. And he's already living, as you can tell,
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  Speaker 7: in pretty unbearable conditions. That video made the rounds so
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  Speaker 7: thoroughly around the world that the IDF responded to it.
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  Speaker 7: So let's play E5 here.
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  Speaker 9: You may have seen these posts and wondered why the
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  Speaker 9: IDF is taking it so seriously. Let me explain. For Israelis,
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  Speaker 9: kites can bring back a very specific memory.
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  Speaker 8: Throughout 2018 and 2023, flammable and explosive devices attached to
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  Speaker 8: kites and balloons were launched from Gaza. They caused extensive
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  Speaker 8: fires and major damage to agricultural land, forests, and nature
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  Speaker 8: reserves in southern Israel. Recently, multiple kites flown in from
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  Speaker 8: Gaza have been located in southern Israeli communities. While they
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  Speaker 8: didn't contain explosives, the IDF is taking precautionary measures to
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  Speaker 8: prevent any potential threat. Since the October 7th massacre, we
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  Speaker 8: made a promise to prevent any threat to our civilians,
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  Speaker 8: and we will take any precautionary measures in order to
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  Speaker 8: do so.
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  Speaker 9: So while these kites may seem innocent, don't forget, we're operating.
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  Speaker 8: Against a terrorist organization who will go to any length
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  Speaker 8: in order to threaten our civilians.
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  Speaker 9: That's what we're operating against.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't contain any explosives.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 7: So while these kites may seem innocent, it's quite a line.
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  Speaker 3: They may seem to be kites.
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  Speaker 7: Kites. But, and just really quickly, yesterday, the Israeli forces
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  Speaker 7: launched a raid into Gaza City. You can put up E6.
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  Speaker 7: There's a ceasefire. Like Israel signed a ceasefire with Hamas.
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  Speaker 7: They launched a raid into Gaza City. They were discovered
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  Speaker 7: amid that raid. They said they were trying to capture
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  Speaker 7: somebody from Hamas. How you can do that in the
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  Speaker 7: midst of a ceasefire that you've agreed to is beyond me.
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  Speaker 7: And so then there was a shootout. Israel responded with
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  Speaker 7: an extraordinary campaign of bombing around their forces so that
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  Speaker 7: they could extract them successfully. They claimed they took somebody out. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 7: they bombed a bus filled with kindergarteners in the process
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  Speaker 7: of this raid that is conducted in the middle of
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  Speaker 7: a ceasefire. Those are the latest updates out of Gaza
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  Speaker 7: and Israel. The election is still scheduled for October 27th.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Ryan, for breaking that down for us.
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  Speaker 7: Move on, Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 4: Elon Musk zoomed into the G20 in Asheville, North Carolina
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  Speaker 4: yesterday and made some predictions, depending on your point of view,
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  Speaker 4: towards AI that are either dire or very, very exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 6: Probably by the end of next year. So as I'm
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  Speaker 6: sure people know, AI is already incredibly good at software.
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  Speaker 6: And it's getting to the point where I won't just
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  Speaker 6: be good at software, it'll be what I call Stockfish
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  Speaker 6: level good. So Stockfish is a chess program that can
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  Speaker 6: beat the world's best chess players very easily. In fact,
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  Speaker 6: at this point, you could run Stockfish on your phone
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  Speaker 6: and beat Magnus Carlsen at chess. So at some point
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  Speaker 6: next year is my prediction, software will be so good,
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  Speaker 6: AI software will be so good that it will be
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  Speaker 6: Stockfish level good, meaning that it is impossible for a
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  Speaker 6: human to compete in writing software with AI. But like
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  Speaker 6: AI will just crush all humans as software. And I
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  Speaker 6: think it will be extremely good, possibly stock version level,
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  Speaker 6: but certainly extremely good at all forms of engineering and
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  Speaker 6: anything digital, literally in 12 to 18 months.
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  Speaker 3: Rand, is that? make you really excited about the future
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  Speaker 3: or a little anxious? Maybe both.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, pretty incredible that we've been telling people for
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  Speaker 7: 20 years to learn to code.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: And then telling them that actually learning to code is
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  Speaker 7: completely useless.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I just pulled this up.
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  Speaker 4: From Yale, a recent article on Yale's website where, yes,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: we're hearing right now unemployment, if you're not counting people
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: out of the job market who just dropped out of
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: the job market because those numbers have gone up, but
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: unemployment is at a fairly healthy level. But If you
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: zero into particular careers, it's way less healthy. So they say,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: nowhere is this clearer long-term consequences. Nowhere is this clearer
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: than an entry-level software engineering, though the picture depends on
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: whom you ask. One researcher discovered that employment among developers
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: aged 22 to 25 has fallen nearly 20% from its
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: late 2022 peak. The online job site Indeed also paints
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: a stark picture. Software development job postings have fallen 53%, 53%
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: from the same starting point. And so not only are
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: the technological ramifications kind of in the abstract somewhat chilling,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that you might have this capacity without proper restraints, but
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: also the economic ramifications staring right back at us. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: it doesn't seem that there's much of a plan to
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: deal with that whatsoever. We can put the Barron's article
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: about this up on the screen. Their headline was, Elon
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Musk sees a power crisis coming. Another takeaways from his
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: G20 speech. He bet in the speech. This is one
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: of the other big takeaways from it. He bet in
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: his speech that there will be one billion humanoid robots
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  Speaker 4: operating in 10 years and that those robots will be
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: five times as productive as humans, according to Barron. So
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: now take this computing power prediction he made. Combine it
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: with the one billion humanoid robot prediction that he made
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: and ask yourself why it is people might be a
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: little less than bought in on the data center hyperscale.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, seems pretty straightforward.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Doesn't it? They're talking like this.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Allende kind of trying to walk back his 50% of
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: white-collar jobs will be wiped out prediction, but not entirely.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Walking it back, right?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And then saying we're going to have humanoid robots with this, like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: who would be able to basically beat Magnus Carlsen at chess,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: drop the hat. I wonder, Ryan, if you've been playing
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: against any of these.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the AIs are integrated into the chess world.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: The chess apps.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Do you think they're being nice to you? They let
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: you win a couple?
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Well, you can put it on different levels. Certainly at
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: a decent level. Magnusson can't even. He's right. They're at
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: a place where not even he can win. Once in
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: a while, on the little puzzles or something, they'll make
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: a mistake. And that's kind of fun to be able
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: to catch them doing. But otherwise, they're... Yeah, I.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Mean, again, so he's saying that it's going to crush
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: every human at writing code. It's going to be so
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: good at engineering. And this is the timeline that he
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: laid out is 12 to 18 months. And people are
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: wondering why certain communities aren't like, well, OK, great. Bring
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: us the tax benefits. Put your hyperscaling down. data centers
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: over here. And it's like, well, it's because you have
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: shit like this happening where the predictions are that we're
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: going to dramatically change the world in a time period
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: of 12 to 18 months after we just were proven.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at what just happened to Meta in court,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: which was an easy settlement. They got off easy in
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: that stupid settlement. Not that I blame people for taking
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the settlement, but they got off easy in that. And
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: parents have seen what these companies have done to their
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: children over the last 20 years and now they're like
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: we're on the cusp of dramatically changing life you'll see
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: it happen in the next 12 to 18 months there
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: might be significant unemployment uh there will be little humanoid
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: robots walking around everywhere and people like maybe don't take
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: up all this farmland for that in my.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Community yeah and i think there is i think the
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: things do bleed together but mostly the opposition is around
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: uh the People think their power bills are going to
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: go up. They think the water is going to get destroyed.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: They think they're going to be loud and nasty and
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: ugly and not actually create any jobs. And then as
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: a kind of separate thing, they also might like using ChatGPT,
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: but they don't like the direction of where this is
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: said to be headed. So I think it's somewhat related.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Even if they did like the direction of where it
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: was headed, they'd be like, not in my backyard.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And if it was if there were signs that
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: the integration was happening in a more strategic way, as
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: opposed to let's throw everything at the wall, see what
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: sticks Kevin O'Leary style, because this is all about beating
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: China at the end of the day. I think people
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: would be way more open to it, but it hasn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: felt to people that it's strategic because you have these
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: guys out there talking about, well, maybe this, maybe that,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: in these catastrophic, like being flippant about catastrophic changes to
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: society that they're really optimistic about, but to other people
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: sound like risks- change, they're not willing to accept in
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: such a short time period because this is moving faster
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: than social media ever did. It's moving faster than the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: other technologies ever did. So, yeah, I mean, again, the
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: fact that they still continue to talk like this publicly
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: and then marvel at the opposition to data centers and
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the lack of trust that people have towards tech in
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: a low institutional trust society across the board, it's ridiculous.
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: And I also think the talking point of we have
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: to beat China assumes that People care about that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, agree.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: And understand what that even means. Got to beat China.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, why?
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: Why care about China? What's China going to do?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Make the argument. But they don't even make the argument.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: They just use the talking point. Yeah, I mean, and,
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe there are some real risks there, but
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: it's not obvious, like, why I'm supposed to GAF about China.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Because people don't trust you. Not you personally, Ryan.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: But they shouldn't.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: The nation trusts you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: They shouldn't trust me.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 25:47
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