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Normally Podcast: Security, Sanity, and the Supreme Court · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's weird back on normally the show with normalist
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  Speaker 1: takes or when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Yasin.
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  Speaker 3: Him, and I am Carol Marco. It's back with a
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  Speaker 3: slightly raspy voice today. But I like to say it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like I only smoke a few cigarettes to day
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  Speaker 3: instead of a few packs.
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  Speaker 2: It's good. I think it's like it's Kathleen Turner esque exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we're going here.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to tell at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: show that I did see Robert ro'keane in Colorado last night,
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  Speaker 1: who was a Kerrville, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: That's his hometown. He sent his kids when they were
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  Speaker 2: children to Camp Mystic.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a heavier concert than Kelly and I
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  Speaker 1: had anticipated, but in the style of what you might
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  Speaker 1: expect of a cowboy poet. He was very stoic and
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  Speaker 1: the event raised money for folks in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: He did the job well.
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  Speaker 1: Was a beautiful concert, beautiful music, and I sort of
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  Speaker 1: admired the stoicism of it.
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  Speaker 2: You could tell he was he had shades on the
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  Speaker 2: whole time.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's had. It's a tough time for everybody
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  Speaker 1: and for people who are even closer to it. Just
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  Speaker 1: unimaginable stuff. So I appreciated his hard work.
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  Speaker 3: I have to note I loved your episode with Kelly.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. You know, my little dirty secret
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  Speaker 3: is I don't I don't really listen to podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome to ours.
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  Speaker 3: So the fact that I really liked it made me think, like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: should I be listening to more podcasting?
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: I also downloaded some Robert Earl Keane music. Excellent. I
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  Speaker 3: really didn't know it before I started with The Road
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  Speaker 3: Goes On Forever and got into a bunch of other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good choice to start with.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll kick off with what I think is one
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  Speaker 3: of the most undernoticed, underreported stories in the country, and
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  Speaker 3: that is that people are trying to kill ICE agents.
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  Speaker 3: ICE facility in Texas was targeted by an Antifa group.
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  Speaker 3: They were there to kill allegedly ICE agents Andy No reports.
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  Speaker 3: These are the ten alleged members of a North Texas
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  Speaker 3: Antifa terror cell accused of carrying out the attempted murder
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  Speaker 3: of federal officers at a shooting terrorist attack on an
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  Speaker 3: ICE facility on the fourth of July and Alvarado, Texas.
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  Speaker 3: One local police officer was shot in the neck and survived.
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  Speaker 3: The group was armed with multiple rifles, pistols, body armor,
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  Speaker 3: escape vehicles, radios, and other devices, indicating a planned conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: These people have been charged federally with attempted murder, and
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  Speaker 3: they also faced local charges in Johnston County, Texas Johnston County.
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  Speaker 3: A few days later, a different police officer was shot
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  Speaker 3: in McCallan, Texas by an active shooter attempting to ambush
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  Speaker 3: Border Patrol agents. Also been vandalism aimed at ICE agents.
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  Speaker 3: Four people were arrested in Los angele Lists using homemade
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  Speaker 3: nail devices to damage a Border Patrol vehicle. It's really bad. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: Araldo Rivera and others are tweeting cops don't need to
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  Speaker 3: wear masks. They deal with the most dangerous elements of society.
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  Speaker 3: Why do ICE agents wear masks? What are they hiding?
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  Speaker 3: They're hiding from crazy people, is what they're hiding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it's always everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: The mask discourse is always so frustrating because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was alive in twenty twenty, so that part just
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  Speaker 1: blows my mind. But also, just like every Columbia student
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  Speaker 1: who wants to throw something at a cop is welcome
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  Speaker 1: to wear thirteen masks on their face and never tell
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  Speaker 1: us who they are. I get people's concerns, but I
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  Speaker 1: do not think these people are sincere.
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  Speaker 2: They change their.
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  Speaker 1: Minds based on who has a mask on at any
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  Speaker 1: given moment for whatever reason exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that the idea for them is that
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  Speaker 3: they want to make TSA agents afraid. They want them
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  Speaker 3: to not want to take the job, and they want
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  Speaker 3: it to be harder for these people to do their jobs.
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  Speaker 3: Senator Alex Padilla has introduced a bill to ban ICE
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  Speaker 3: agents from wearing masks, So yeah, well yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can I also note that Axios reported that a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of Democrats are hearing messages from their constituents that are
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  Speaker 1: just like upping the antient over and over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: to the point of telling Democrats that they need to
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  Speaker 1: elected officials need to go to ICE facilities and endure
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  Speaker 1: being shot in order to overcome the fascism. They want blood,
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  Speaker 1: and if it's going to be Democrats blood, that's also
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  Speaker 1: fine with them, because that's what is necessary to fight
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  Speaker 1: this great evil.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I want to really is not putting words
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  Speaker 3: in their mouths is our own base is telling us
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  Speaker 3: that what we're doing is not good enough, that there
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  Speaker 3: needs to be blood to grab the attention of the
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  Speaker 3: press and the public. A Democratic lawmaker told Axios.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the same thing as always, Carol,
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  Speaker 1: which is, since the beginning of the Trump era, the
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  Speaker 1: rationale for the left has been it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 1: we violate all the norms, because we are living in
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary times and we are fighting a force that is
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  Speaker 1: violating all the norms.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So that's.
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  Speaker 1: The justification for anything. You can justify anything to yourself
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  Speaker 1: at that point. And to have your constituents telling you
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  Speaker 1: that blood needs to be spilled while these actual active
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  Speaker 1: shootings are going on just seems like things are getting
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  Speaker 1: off the rails here, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Another quote from the Axiole story, a Fourth House
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  Speaker 3: Democrat said, constituents have told them quote civility isn't working
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  Speaker 3: end quote, and to prepare for quote violence, to fight
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  Speaker 3: to protect our democracy end quote. It's scary. It's scary
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  Speaker 3: that this is so out in the open. I just
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  Speaker 3: I imagine the outrage if it were the right saying
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  Speaker 3: we need blood. We need blood in order to be pushed.
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  Speaker 1: I want to screenshot that Brian Stelter tweet where he's like,
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  Speaker 1: it's only coming.
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  Speaker 2: From one side.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just put it all over every single one
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  Speaker 1: of these stories. Right, But this is what the media does,
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  Speaker 1: and it really is. It's just misinformation and disinformation. Is
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  Speaker 1: they sort of alchemize lefty violence into righty violence, or
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  Speaker 1: they ignore it entirely. And if you ignore it entirely,
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to look around and go like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: guess only the right does this. No, that's because you
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  Speaker 1: disappeared all the other ones.
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  Speaker 2: Right, You can't. You don't have a full data set, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Meanwhile, is this issue popular with voters from the
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  Speaker 3: Democratic side or from the Republican side? Let's find out
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  Speaker 3: from you know, not a right wing source. Let's go
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  Speaker 3: to CNN and see what they're saying over there.
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  Speaker 4: All immigrants who are here illegally fifty five percent of
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  Speaker 4: New York Times Marquette sixty four percent, CBS News fifty
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  Speaker 4: per ABC News with a slightly different question fifty six percent.
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  Speaker 4: So what you're seeing essentially here is very clear indication
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  Speaker 4: that a majority of Americans in fact, when they're asked
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  Speaker 4: us one question, which I believe gets that the underlying
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  Speaker 4: feelings do in fact want to port all immigrants who
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  Speaker 4: are here illegally. There's no arguing with these different numbers
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  Speaker 4: because they're all essentially the same across four different posters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love these segments, by the way, and I just
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  Speaker 1: have to say.
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  Speaker 3: It against accents where perfect where Harry.
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  Speaker 1: Enton's up there again just telling CNN and stuff it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear, and poor Kate has to stand
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  Speaker 1: by the board and go, hum, interesting, you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: that all of my suppositions are incorrect. This is uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: for everyone every time.
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  Speaker 3: So good, but it really goes to show that they
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  Speaker 3: are missing what the majority of the country wants. These
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  Speaker 3: are crazy numbers. I have to say that I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have guessed the numbers are these this high.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's a deport all illegal immigrants number, that is
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  Speaker 1: not a criminal immigrants number. All.
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  Speaker 3: I would say just a few years ago, they I mean,
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  Speaker 3: these numbers would have been half maybe, and even now
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  Speaker 3: it's surprising. In the sixties, over sixty percent of Americans
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  Speaker 3: and some polls want to deport all illegal immigrants. That's startling,
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  Speaker 3: and it really goes to show how bad things got
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  Speaker 3: in the Biden administration, and I just think they're on
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  Speaker 3: the wrong side of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a what a what a giant miscalculation by
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  Speaker 1: the Biden administration that you know, uncon trolled four years
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  Speaker 1: of millions of people coming across the borders. How to
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  Speaker 1: make everybody feel like this is awesome? Nope, opposite direction.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. Meanwhile, Alligator Alcatraz has opened in my beloved Florida.
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  Speaker 3: It is just a place to hold people who are
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  Speaker 3: being deported. And there's a story in the Miami Herald
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  Speaker 3: that attempts to make this place sound horrific. Toilets that
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  Speaker 3: didn't flush, temperatures that went from freezing to sweltering. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's July and Florida, I'll buy sweltering.
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  Speaker 2: Freezing freezing, can you get Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking an air conditioner blowing on somebody? Like
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  Speaker 3: what what are you saying? A hospitalization that turned out
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  Speaker 3: not to be true. And you know, it's again crazy
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  Speaker 3: that the media and the Democrats have decided that their
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  Speaker 3: key constituency that they are going to spend the most
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  Speaker 3: amount of time catering to our people who are in
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  Speaker 3: the country illegally, especially with the poll numbers that we
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  Speaker 3: just read. It makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: I want to quote sunny Right at Sunny Right, one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite follows who says, who sniffs out the
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  Speaker 1: game here? No, you can't send them home, their homes
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  Speaker 1: are too risky. No, you can't deport them to a
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  Speaker 1: third party country they have no connections there. No, you
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  Speaker 1: can't keep them detained here. That's like Auschwitz. The game
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  Speaker 1: being played is that nothing short of amnesty is acceptable, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is that they won't say so, or
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  Speaker 3: some of them will. Chuck Schumer actually a few years
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  Speaker 3: ago literally admitted he wanted to just legalize everybody that
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  Speaker 3: was in the country. But the fact is, if Democrats
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  Speaker 3: really said what they wanted, they would not get elected
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  Speaker 3: in many many places. Maybe Chuck Schumer would continue to
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  Speaker 3: win in New York, but in most states it would
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  Speaker 3: be a death sentence for their party. And that Americans
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  Speaker 3: can't hear what they support, but also that they won't
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  Speaker 3: listen to what Americans want them to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's really unfair to the extent that they're struggling, and
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  Speaker 1: they are struggling quite a lot right now. It's because
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  Speaker 1: Commo is a perfect example. Americans read all over them
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  Speaker 1: what they actually wanted to do. But they just play
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  Speaker 1: this game, and no one's buying the game anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Right, There's also the question of if you came into
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  Speaker 3: the country illegally, what are you entitled to? And Emma
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  Speaker 3: Joe Morris, who are another follow that I like a lot.
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  Speaker 3: She pointed out that when they were staying at various
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  Speaker 3: hotels across New York City, there were always these protests
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  Speaker 3: every time the city would try to move them because
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  Speaker 3: the accommodations weren't going to be as nice. And she
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  Speaker 3: said that she spoke to some of the people when
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  Speaker 3: she was reporting on this for bright Bart at the time,
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  Speaker 3: and she writes, there's this bizarre sense which would maybe
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  Speaker 3: curb the illegal immigration problem in a somewhat significant way
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  Speaker 3: if it stopped that if someone merely enters America, they're
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  Speaker 3: entitled to a measure of luxury. No, you're not, You're
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  Speaker 3: just not. So here we are and I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I again think the Democrats are making a big error here.
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  Speaker 3: I hope Republicans can capitalize on it. It hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: a strength of the Republican Party other than Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: to point to stuff like this and get on the
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  Speaker 3: right side, the popular side of what Americans believe. I
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  Speaker 3: hope Republicans run on this issue in the midterms. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I really think this is a unifying thing that people want.
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  Speaker 3: They want security for the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's not that complicated.
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  Speaker 3: It really really isn't. All Right, we're going to take
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  Speaker 3: a short break and we're going to be right back
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  Speaker 3: with her Meat suing California and an eight to one
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  Speaker 3: Scotis decision.
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  Speaker 1: Alrighty our girl Harmeat. Dylan over at DOJ is conducting
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  Speaker 1: the fo part of the equation for California. California has
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  Speaker 1: been openly flout the rules that transgender athletes boys should
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  Speaker 1: not be competing in women's sports. You'll remember Carol that
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  Speaker 1: in his Moderate Sane person tour that Gavin Newsom tried
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  Speaker 1: to do on his podcast, he said it was deeply
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  Speaker 1: unfair for boys to be competing with girls, and everybody
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  Speaker 1: knew that, but nonetheless, in California's Big Track championships, they
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  Speaker 1: had Aby Hernandez, a boy, winning three of the categories,
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  Speaker 1: and they did all this like changing the categories to
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  Speaker 1: try to try to allow the same number of girls
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  Speaker 1: to win anyway, and had him sharing the podium with girls.
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  Speaker 1: It's also ridiculous, and they have just said, no, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to follow your laws, and so harmite. Dylan
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  Speaker 1: is like, okay. She sent a letter to California public
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  Speaker 1: school districts and their state you know, board of whatever
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  Speaker 1: their athletics is. She called it unconstitutional to allow transgender
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  Speaker 1: athletes to compete. She alleged that knowingly depriving female students
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  Speaker 1: of athletic opportunities and benefit on the basis of their
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  Speaker 1: sex would constitute unconstitutional sex discrimination under the Equal Protection
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  Speaker 1: clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Dylan ordered the CIF which
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  Speaker 1: is that organization, to inform the Justice Department by jun
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  Speaker 1: night that it will no longer implement its bylaws on this.
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  Speaker 1: Linda McMahon also said in a July seventh post on
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  Speaker 1: ex that California had rejected the Trump administration demand. They've
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  Speaker 1: been trying to negotiate this and California's just like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: So now we're going to court, so there will be
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  Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit. Newsom this is he's so slimy.
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  Speaker 3: Carroll's in South Carolina at the right.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's campaigning in South Carolina and on this subject,
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  Speaker 1: which he's conceded it is unfair, but he's not going
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  Speaker 1: to use any of his power as governor to fix
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  Speaker 1: this issue or comply with the law. Newsom noted in
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  Speaker 1: a statement that he is not named in the lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: And the California Department of Education and.
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  Speaker 1: The CIF which is their athletic organization, are both independent
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  Speaker 1: from his administration. What a slick hairsp blinding coward like, really,
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  Speaker 1: he continued that both are quote, following existing state law.
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  Speaker 2: Shut up and do the right thing.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, there's also this whole thing that
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  Speaker 3: the left just had these protests No King's Day, but which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I tried to like joke with real
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  Speaker 3: people in real life on July fourth and say like,
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  Speaker 3: happy real No King Day. What I was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: This is, by the way, one of the things about
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  Speaker 1: the pace of a Trump administration is that something like
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  Speaker 1: no King's Day will seem like a really big story
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  Speaker 1: for about thirteen hours, and then by the time you
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  Speaker 1: get to real No King's Day, everybody's forgotten that it
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  Speaker 1: ever happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I would just say that the
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  Speaker 3: people I spoke to didn't even know that the protests
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  Speaker 3: were called no King day. So that didn't go out great.
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  Speaker 3: But no, you have where states are saying we're not
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  Speaker 3: going to follow the law, and that's somehow not monarchy.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a you know, anti democracy, but Trump Trump
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  Speaker 3: is king.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this idea too, where the blue cities
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh, how dare he come in here and
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  Speaker 1: enforce the law in LA? He should partner with us.
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  Speaker 1: But what they're also announcing all the time, as loudly
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  Speaker 1: and as hostily as possible is you, we would never
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  Speaker 1: partner with you.
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  Speaker 2: You're disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: We are absolutely not a partner in enforcing any of this,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, we would like you to know how
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  Speaker 1: little we're going to be enforcing all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, no, you're not a partner, you've told us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: bet you're not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's funny how they suddenly want, you know, rights,
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  Speaker 3: states to have rights when there's a Republican president. It's
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  Speaker 3: always amazing how that works.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, my new converts to federalism. I
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  Speaker 1: welcome you to read up on it.
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  Speaker 3: To maintain that enthusiasm. A Democrat every wins.
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  Speaker 1: Again, yes, exactly. In another blow to the to the
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  Speaker 1: whole King narrative. It turns out that the executive branch
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  Speaker 1: can in fact instruct agencies within the government to form
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  Speaker 1: a plan to reduce the number of people who work
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  Speaker 1: for them. That's that's the crazy thing that Trump was
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  Speaker 1: accused of doing, and the public employee unions took him
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  Speaker 1: to court over it. The district court said, yeah, y'all
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  Speaker 1: have to stop. You can't do a reduction in force.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy town. And the President was like, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: I really feel like I can. So it went to
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court eight to one,
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  Speaker 1: with only Katanji Brown Jackson dissenting eight to one, said
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: get rid of the injunctions and the restraining orders. They
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: can continue to work on this because this is in
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  Speaker 1: fact the job of the government, and it seems like
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  Speaker 1: it's unlikely to be unconstitutional, right, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: If the president can people, what can you do? What
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  Speaker 3: else is there?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's it's wild. And then the idea that so
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  Speaker 1: my or even Kagan will sometimes be, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the writer leaning judges, sodomy Or rarely is, but you're
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  Speaker 1: right in her writing, h sodomy Or calls her out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, says I agree with Justice Jackson that
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  Speaker 1: the President cannot restructure federal agencies in a manner inconsistent
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  Speaker 1: with congressional man mandates. Here, however, the relevant executive order
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  Speaker 1: directs agencies to plan reorganizations and reductions in force quote consistent.
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  Speaker 2: With applicable law.
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  Speaker 1: She then notes to Katanji Brown Jackson a real basic
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  Speaker 1: of how courts work, which is the plans themselves are
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  Speaker 1: not before this court at this stage, and we thus
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  Speaker 1: have no occasion to consider whether they can and will
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  Speaker 1: be carried out consistent with the constraints of law, basically saying, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: you're addressing a question that is not before the court, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very like my cousin Vinnie being told how
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  Speaker 3: the process works exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: No, this is the second Justice who, in writing has
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: taken aim at Katanji Brown Jackson in a I would say,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like more harsh than you're used to seeing, or more
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: specific than you're used to seeing. Way where it was
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  Speaker 1: the was the first one, and al so to my
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: r agreeing with her but saying like, hey, we're not
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: deciding that. I don't know what you thought we were
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: arguing about, and then I saw some quotes from Katanji
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Brown Jackson talking about how she writes her opinions and saying,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just my chance to express my feelings
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  Speaker 1: on matters.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, do you misunderstand.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: The word opinion in a jurisprudence situation because it ain't
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just like your opinion.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is a little worrisome that she seems
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: underqualified for this role. And I think a lot of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: people were pointing this out even before she was picked.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: But it's not right that, you know, we're having this
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: conversation at all, that that perhaps a Supreme Court justice
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: who was there did not really qualify to be there.
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  Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate that Sony Soda Mayor is left to
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: give a mini SmackDown on the record.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and I would say, look, there can sometimes be
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: great courage and standing up by yourself against the whole,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you know, on principle. However, if you find yourself on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the other side of eight to one pretty frequently at
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, it's not like a resistance win, Like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in all likelihood you got it wrong, that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: But everybody's like.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Cheering for her, like, oh, my gosh, she is just
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: killing it with these.
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  Speaker 2: Sense yourmone here, she.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Is killing it with these descents. Now, I think, just quickly,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just a little Scotus game theory, which is that, so
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: if you have three liberal leaning justices and then you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: have the six Roberts, you could get to join the Libs, right,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: so I could choose four and maybe in some you
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: could peel off a Kavanaugh or a Barrett or one
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of the others occasionally, but that would require like staying
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: sane among the three liberals so that you could bring
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: people over to that wing for occasional decisions.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And it's not like that doesn't.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Happen at all, But it does seem to me that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: KBJ is not exactly strategic with the way she's approaching this,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and she a'm winning any of those swing votes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's a really good point. I don't know
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: that there's going to be a movement of which she's
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the head of that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Kagan could be the head of that. But
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: if you're partnered with Katanji Brown Jackson really hard to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: bring people over exactly. We're going to take a break
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: on normally, but we will be right.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Back with good news. From the TSA, Welcome.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Back to normally. This for our last segment is actually
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: my favorite story right now. I had a real big
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: problem with the TSA. I think that, you know, a
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: lot of the security theater that we do is really pointless.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I've written about it a number of times over the years.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: And this new move that is the TSA is no
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: longer going to force us to take off our shoes
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: is so welcome. And I say that, Hello Lujah, who
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: has paid the money to have TSA pre check And
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I don't take off my shoes anymore, But I don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: think you need to be paying one hundred dollars a
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: year in order to have that privilege. And I'm really
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: glad that they're bringing back a little slice of sanity
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: into our airport.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So this has been what twenty three years We've been
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: doing this because Richard Reid tried to bomb something with
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a with a shoe bomb.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: As with many parts of security theater, it's not really
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: helping anyone, and it's making a bunch of people inconvenienced.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I saw a funny tweet where someone said congratulations to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the guy who is probably on aggregate annoyed and inconvenienced
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: more people than any man in history.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Richard Reid.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: He actually he actually ended up succeeding and terrorizing us
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: for twenty three years by having to take our shoes off.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The lesson from this is that there are so many
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: things the government could just stop doing right right. They
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: just did it on like a random day. They said
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: we're not doing that anymore. And by the way, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: was flying on that day and I got scolded by
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a TSA agents and told to put my shoes back on.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I do not pay for pre because I was stubbornly like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I don't need to pay extra money to be treated
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like a human being, which is dumb because it wastesle
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of my time.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And you know, I take my shoes off.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: But I took my shoes off, and she's like, you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: put shoes back on, And I was like, I thought
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I was just getting regular TSA gas lit. But it
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: turns out nope, the policy had changed. Yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I thought she was messing with me.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And then later that day I saw the announcement, so
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that was exciting. I also would like to note that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: this is how the White House tweeted about it. Put
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: your dogs away, Trump and men ended the TSA shoes
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: off policy, feet covered, air quality restored, and I said,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I said, Carol, you know in two thousand and two,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: if someone had told me that they would that the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: US government and an official capacity would announce the recision
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: of this policy or the rescinding of this policy with
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: basically your feet stank, I would have been like, highly skeptical,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but thankful that we had come to this place.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it. It really drives me crazy because
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I don't like things that make no sense, and this
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: has just never made sense to me. And I hope
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: they follow this up with more TSA sanity. I've written
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: about it again, Like I said, TSA many times. In
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I pointed out that, for example, the shoe bomb,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the attempted shoebomber Richard Reid, he tried to use matches
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to set his shoe on fire. Matches are allowed on planes,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: lighters are not, which makes of course no sense. And
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: then of course when you're carrying liquids, they're very worried
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that the liquids might be a bomb. So they take
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: those liquids and they toss it into a garbage.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Right right next to everybody, right next to.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Where everybody is walking in and if that exploded, it
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: would do just as much damage as I would on
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: an airplane. None of it makes sense. It is insane
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that we keep doing it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that the reason that nine to
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: eleven was successful was the element of surprise. If we
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: could stay on guard despite dropping these you know, shoe
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: restrictions and other restrictions, that would be the ideal that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: we shouldn't live in a nine to eleven world forever,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: but we also shouldn't forget that we should stay alert,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: and that's really the main thing.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and like Israel's good at doing this obviously because
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: they are under frequent threat, but they do things that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: are sort of like actually studied and effective, as opposed
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to whenever they study TSA methods they come up with like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, they let all of our test subjects through, right,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So it's not whatever they're doing is not working for
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: staying alert.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The new one that I.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Hate is the one where they take the picture of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you and you don't have to do that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: No, no, here's I know.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But here's what's so insane about it, Yeah, is that
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they're taking a picture of you and then they're saying
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: they're going to dispose of that picture, right, and then
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: they look at the picture of you, and they look
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: at your license, and I'm just like, you know, what
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: could accomplish this? Looking at me? I'm right here, I'm standing,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: i am standing two feet from you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Just take my license, look at me, hand the license back.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Nate. Nate Bragatzi had this line where, you know, he
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: always liked that they included the picture on the license. Yes,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: for reasons such as this, Yes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The convenient for you. Yeah, anyway, maybe we'll get rid
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of that one at some point too. But some giant
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Donor probably has a contract that allows them
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to do the cameras at the airport, so we can't get.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Rid of Sure that's the case. Actually, yeah, yeah, back
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to sanity. That's really what we're looking for at a
• 27:46
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