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Rams have extended head coach Sean McVay, San Francisco 49ers CEO Al Guido stops by · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and out podcast. Hopefully you are doing great,
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Speaker 1: And today we will we'll talk some football because it
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Speaker 1: is Super Bowl Week, so it's gonna be a big theme,
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Speaker 1: I would imagine everywhere you turn this week. And today
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Speaker 1: we have on al Guido, who for the last ten
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Speaker 1: years has been the president of the forty nine ers
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Speaker 1: and actually early this morning was now named the CEO
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Speaker 1: of not just the forty nine ers but all their
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Speaker 1: business ventures. And you know he runs point with Jed
0:51
Speaker 1: York on landing the Super Bowl for the Bay Area.
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Speaker 1: So talking to him about dealing with Roger, what's that like,
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Speaker 1: what it's like being a president now, a CEO of
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Speaker 1: a NFL organization, dealing with the coach, dealing with the GM,
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Speaker 1: as well as some career advice for people that want
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Speaker 1: to get into sports. So that will be after we
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Speaker 1: discuss Sean McVeigh, who got extended today. Some thoughts there.
1:21
Speaker 1: The NFL is doubling down on international games and they're
1:26
Speaker 1: going to Paris next year for the first time, as
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Speaker 1: well as the Dad Diaries before we dive into the interview.
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Speaker 1: But that will be the extent of the show. Tomorrow
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Speaker 1: we will play Stucky and then Thursday we will kind
1:41
Speaker 1: of mix and match whatever we end up doing at
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And we're recording from I think the
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Speaker 1: Madden Studios on Radio Row and a bunch of people
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Speaker 1: are supposed to come by, so should be pretty fun.
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Speaker 1: But other than that, yeah, don't really have much. So
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Speaker 1: that out and hopefully you're enjoying it. So yeah, let's
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Speaker 1: just let's talk some football. So let's start with the news.
2:26
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of days ago, Quessey gets fired
2:29
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and it was pretty clear that him and
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Speaker 1: the head coach were not on the same page. And
2:35
Speaker 1: there are certain relationships in certain industries that have to
2:40
Speaker 1: be pretty strong or else you have no shot. I
2:43
Speaker 1: see this. You know me and my wife raising this child.
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Speaker 1: Like if you don't have a buttoned up, strong relationship,
2:50
Speaker 1: I can test you. This has been as someone that
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Speaker 1: sent me a DM about raising a young child. They
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Speaker 1: called it the fog of war, which sounds a little extreme,
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Speaker 1: but I gotta be honest, there's some truth to that.
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Speaker 1: And football is no different because the tests of injuries,
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Speaker 1: of the inevitable losing season, articles coming out about players,
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Speaker 1: about personal relationships, about coaching relationships, the backstabbing, the just
3:21
Speaker 1: competitive nature of an industry where there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: money on the line. And I'm not just talking for owners.
3:26
Speaker 1: I'm talking about these people which there are only thirty
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Speaker 1: two GM jobs and are only thirty two coaches. And
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Speaker 1: we saw clearly Kevin O'Connell wasn't on board with the
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Speaker 1: QUESTI or he'd still be in his job and less
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Speaker 1: need and Sean McVay have had a pretty pretty successful
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Speaker 1: partnership and they have now done it multiple different ways.
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Speaker 1: So the news being announced that Sean mcvayh has I
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Speaker 1: got to take d L. I have a lot of opinions.
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Speaker 1: I'm right on a decent amount of them. I'm also
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Speaker 1: get a lot of things wrong. I'm probably less twelve
4:00
Speaker 1: months older than Sean McVay. And when he got hired,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was insane. I said, I didn't know
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Speaker 1: much about him at the time, but he was the
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Speaker 1: youngest coach who's ever been hired in the history of
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Speaker 1: the league by a pretty wide margin. I mean, at
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Speaker 1: the time, you're thirty years old. The youngest before was
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Speaker 1: thirty four. So I mean, listen, I think for guys,
4:22
Speaker 1: there are huge growth milestones, Like in our twenties, we're
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Speaker 1: pretty immature, most of us. I mean, some of us
4:29
Speaker 1: are wise beyond our years, but I would say, on
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Speaker 1: average most males, maturity in our twenties isn't our strong point.
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Speaker 1: And then I think depending on your lifestyle from thirty
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Speaker 1: to thirty five to forty, there's some big growth just
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Speaker 1: areas where you look back it's like, I don't even relate.
4:48
Speaker 1: I couldn't even relate beside like basic treatment of other
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Speaker 1: humans and maybe just some ambitious desires to the twenty seven,
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, thirty one year old version of myself. And
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Speaker 1: I think when McVeigh was hired, I thought, like, this
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Speaker 1: is crazy. How could a guy be able to handle
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Speaker 1: this gig? And I had just been around Andy Reid
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Speaker 1: and Pat Hill, and I had seen Jim Harbaugh. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I just don't think that's gonna work. I
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Speaker 1: was wrong. He has been a superstar. His record as
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Speaker 1: the head coach is ninety two and fifty seven. He's
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Speaker 1: got ten playoff victories. He's been obviously to multiple super Bowls,
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Speaker 1: won one, just could have easily been to another a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago in that game against Seattle. He's
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Speaker 1: a superstar. I mean, he's a rock star, and I
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Speaker 1: would imagine this extension. He's easily one of the highest
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Speaker 1: paid guys in the league. And you know, I think
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Speaker 1: the one thing that's unique about these guys tenure is
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Speaker 1: when Sean took over, they had Jared Goff on the roster, who,
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Speaker 1: while coming off a horrendous rookie season, he was the
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Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft. And then when that
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Speaker 1: situation ran its course, they got pretty lucky. This former
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Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft was like, I want out,
6:03
Speaker 1: and the Lions were like, we want out of this business,
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Speaker 1: and he was available, and obviously they were able to
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Speaker 1: land them. And there were some quotes that came out
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Speaker 1: or maybe it was sources that obviously Sean McVay wants
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Speaker 1: Stafford to return, of course he does. What are his
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Speaker 1: other options? And one thing that will be very interesting
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Speaker 1: is if Stafford, let's say he plays one more season
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Speaker 1: and then retires, what are the Rams gonna do? Clearly
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Speaker 1: there aren't just that many quarterbacks available, and they're too
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Speaker 1: well run and too good, especially you know this year
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Speaker 1: they were just in the NFC Championship game. Even the
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Speaker 1: pick they have from Atlanta is I think pick thirteen
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Speaker 1: and it's a terrible quarterback draft. So and I have
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Speaker 1: a hard time seeing them draft Tys Simpson. So you
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Speaker 1: look at the Rams and you go The real test
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Speaker 1: for McVeigh is after having these back to back number
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Speaker 1: one overall picks, which he has excelled with, he created
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Speaker 1: Jared Goff's success in the pros and kind of validated
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Speaker 1: Stafford's career. And they've had I mean, they kick ass
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Speaker 1: and take names when Matt's healthy. Well, like to me,
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Speaker 1: the question is big picture, is Sean McVeigh going to
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Speaker 1: be like a thirty year guy. Is he going to
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Speaker 1: be a guy that you look up and he's like
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Speaker 1: he just coached for three decades. And I do think
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Speaker 1: the amount of money in the league. Mike Tobviln's a
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Speaker 1: good example. He was making twenty five million dollars a year.
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Speaker 1: So let's just say the last three years he had
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Speaker 1: banks seventy five million, I know, after tax and everything.
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Speaker 1: Well even before that, it's not like Michael was making
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Speaker 1: two He was so rich when he's making this decision,
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Speaker 1: and he's not really that old, right, he's fifty three
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Speaker 1: years old. He can go, you know what, I can
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Speaker 1: take a year away, take a deep breath and figure
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Speaker 1: this thing out, go do TV and just see how
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Speaker 1: it goes. And I don't necessarily need coaching, because financially,
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Speaker 1: why do we aspire to do whatever we're doing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: at the root of it, it's to make some money
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Speaker 1: to live, right, And then as you get older, maybe
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Speaker 1: you become passionate about what you do. Obviously, these coaches
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Speaker 1: love to coach. I love the podcast. A lot of
8:12
Speaker 1: you listening to this. Whatever your given profession is, you
8:16
Speaker 1: are passionate, you enjoy doing it. It fulfills you in life,
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Speaker 1: which I totally can relate to. But like, we do
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Speaker 1: it for a reason, like the money matters, and once
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Speaker 1: you get to a certain point, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: you start, priorities in your life can change, and Sean
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Speaker 1: McVay dabbled years ago with the Amazon thing. It's easy
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Speaker 1: right now because he has an excellent team and he
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Speaker 1: has a quarterback. But if Matt Stafford retires next year,
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Speaker 1: my question is what do they do? And I think
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Speaker 1: the answer is pretty simple. They will be the number
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Speaker 1: one team that will offer absolutely everything to acquire the
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Speaker 1: best quarterback who has discrowned, and I think all signs
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Speaker 1: would be on Joe Burrow if this thing starts to
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Speaker 1: get weird, they would be the team that it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: a couple first round picks and a couple whatever the
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Speaker 1: other team that is in the mix or other teams
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Speaker 1: are willing to offer. I could see McVeigh in Lessenie
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Speaker 1: doubling that. And if I'm Kronky, I give them the
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Speaker 1: go ahead to do whatever it takes. And I'm just
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Speaker 1: using Joe Burrow as an example, but that will be
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Speaker 1: their path. Like I have a hard time thinking that
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Speaker 1: they will just attempt to trade up in a draft
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Speaker 1: and take a guy that they hope will work. That's
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Speaker 1: not really the business Sean mcvay's in, and he's proven
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Speaker 1: that in the past he's proven that now with Stafford,
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Speaker 1: and this draft's an easy one to avoid that because
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks just do not exist. So maybe they take
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Speaker 1: a guy like they did stets have been in a
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, like a Garrett ness Meyer in
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Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, and maybe hope they strike oil.
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Speaker 1: But they're not in the business. I'm banking that on that.
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Speaker 1: They're in the business now of trying to compete at
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Speaker 1: the highest level every single year. And when you have
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Speaker 1: Sean McVay under contract, he's already kind of flirted with
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Speaker 1: other situations. You can't tempt fate and you have to
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Speaker 1: be really really aggressive to keep him happy because, let's
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Speaker 1: face it, Mike Tomlin this offseason, let's just assume he
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Speaker 1: does some TV, which if he has John, what do
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Speaker 1: you think I should do? You've been in this media
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Speaker 1: world next, Mike, I wouldn't do shit. I would sit back,
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Speaker 1: enjoy life whatever you like, golf, fish, sleep, travel, do
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Speaker 1: whatever the bleep you want to do. You do not
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Speaker 1: have to go on TV to like up your stock
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Speaker 1: because next year you will be, if not the number
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Speaker 1: one guy depending on who's available at the top of
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Speaker 1: teams lined up for your services. Now, if you want
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Speaker 1: to do TV, if you want to keep scratching that
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Speaker 1: itch and talk some ball, it will only help. But
10:52
Speaker 1: you are at the point you do not need to
10:53
Speaker 1: do that. Enjoy your riches and take a year to
10:56
Speaker 1: kind of do something that you've never been able to
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Speaker 1: do because you've been working this profession forever. Sean McVay
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Speaker 1: would be the same, and even a higher level because
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Speaker 1: he's an offensive guy in his an offensive league. That
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Speaker 1: if Sean McVay in like five years say like, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I need a break. I'm burnout. I've been
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Speaker 1: grinding for fifteen years. I need a deep breath. John
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Speaker 1: Gruden once did this, and then John Gruden realized I
11:19
Speaker 1: can scratch my itch. I'm making so much money on
11:21
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, and I'm a rock star, like I
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Speaker 1: am the poster child for this. Sean McVay would be that.
11:29
Speaker 1: Mike Mike Tomlin would be that if he wanted to
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Speaker 1: be right, Amazon would probably immediately make Mike Tomlin the
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Speaker 1: other analyst with Al Michaels and maybe find out, like, ah,
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Speaker 1: this life's not bad. It's like, wait, you pay me
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Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars to work ten percent of the time.
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Speaker 1: And it's not because it's not as it's still a
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Speaker 1: lot of work, but relative to the coaching world, let's
11:50
Speaker 1: face it. Quesci went on a paternity leave and universally
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Speaker 1: the league players coaches all were like, what what the
11:59
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing? That ain't allowed here, buddy, the
12:03
Speaker 1: you would are you serious? Like yeah, yeah, w two employment, No,
12:08
Speaker 1: you're the general manager's training camp. It's cut downs where
12:10
Speaker 1: you at gotta come back to work. No, I'm out
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Speaker 1: of office like that. It just didn't fuck people. Sean
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Speaker 1: McVay had a child on Sunday night and coach four
12:19
Speaker 1: days later on the road and honestly did a great
12:22
Speaker 1: job until the special teams fell apart. They were gonna
12:24
Speaker 1: win that game, you know. So it's a profession that'll
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Speaker 1: just wear you thin. And the amount of money has
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Speaker 1: to change people's mindsets. I don't care who you are.
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Speaker 1: I think one thing. When you know the NBA's taken
12:38
Speaker 1: a lot of crap. The regular season has never been worse, right,
12:42
Speaker 1: It's a lot of times it's unwatchable. I was like,
12:46
Speaker 1: what's gonna motivate these guys? I mean, average players now
12:49
Speaker 1: make twenty million dollars a year. The Stars make forty
12:52
Speaker 1: to fifty sixty million dollars in any game they want.
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Speaker 1: It's like I just take it off and it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: No one can tell them any differently. And if I
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Speaker 1: was in their shoes, I'd probably do the same, right
13:03
Speaker 1: because everyone kind of does that, So it's not like
13:06
Speaker 1: you look like, you know, some some outlier, some some
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Speaker 1: bucking against the trends that's not taking place, like, well,
13:15
Speaker 1: everyone's doing it, so why wouldn't I? And then it's
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Speaker 1: promoted where I think these football coaches, these old school
13:21
Speaker 1: guys are just wired to grind and they got into
13:24
Speaker 1: the gig when the money was nothing. These younger guys,
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Speaker 1: the Kyle's, the McVeigh, they're gonna accumulate a ton of
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Speaker 1: cash by the time they're fifty years old, and we
13:34
Speaker 1: have never seen that. It's so, I you know, why
13:36
Speaker 1: are these guys think how many former players would have
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Speaker 1: been excellent coaches. It's like, do I want to work
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Speaker 1: that life when I've already made one hundred and forty
13:44
Speaker 1: million dollars playing in the league, And the answer for
13:47
Speaker 1: most of them is like, no, it's not worth it.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Some of them eventually get back because they kind of
13:51
Speaker 1: get bored. But early on and they're kind of stepping away.
13:53
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't need to do anything, and that's true,
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Speaker 1: you don't. So I think Sean mcvagh the my only
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Speaker 1: question is how are they going to find another quarterback?
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Speaker 1: And I think the answer is there is not going
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Speaker 1: to be a team in the league that will do
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Speaker 1: more and move mountains to acquire the best possible veteran
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Speaker 1: quarterback and potentially talk to a team and convince them like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're offering me that much, you can have my guy,
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Speaker 1: and they would be the team. And they've proven it
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Speaker 1: before with fuck them Picks the other news. And I
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Speaker 1: record this before Roge talk, so I'm sure he's going
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Speaker 1: to be asked about international games and will they'll be
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Speaker 1: an international super Bowl? So I'm not going to speculate
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Speaker 1: on what he's going to say. But this year the
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Speaker 1: Saints are going to host a game in Paris, and
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Speaker 1: I guess I see both sides. To me, it's kind
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Speaker 1: of a double edged sword. On one side, it's like
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Speaker 1: you're trying to expand you're trying to, you know, how
14:54
Speaker 1: much more can you maximize the States? So you're trying
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Speaker 1: to build more of a global operation. I think if
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Speaker 1: you the you know, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, like
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Speaker 1: those brands, like why can't the NFL kind of be international?
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Speaker 1: And they have gone all in on that, And part
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Speaker 1: of it is it's inevitable the package that's coming. Robert
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Speaker 1: Craft talked about it. There's going to be an international
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Speaker 1: package like Thursday Night. I do wonder if we get
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Speaker 1: to the point though, you're at a huge disadvantage depending
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Speaker 1: on the team where you're traveling from, Like anyone close
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Speaker 1: to the Eastern Seaboard flying over to Europe to you know,
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Speaker 1: to the UK to France to wherever is much easier
15:43
Speaker 1: flight than if you're Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona. The LA
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Speaker 1: teams raiders like it's a it's a long long travel.
15:51
Speaker 1: And this league is obsessed with these international games. And
15:56
Speaker 1: when I saw the Paris thing, if you're going to
15:59
Speaker 1: do this series of sixteen games, they're clearly thinking, we're
16:04
Speaker 1: not all gonna be in Wembley Stadium, We're not all
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Speaker 1: gonna be there. We're gonna be in seven eight countries.
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Speaker 1: And I mean they've already messed with Brazil, They've done
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Speaker 1: Mexico City in the past, I'm sure you know Japan
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Speaker 1: will be on the table, surely that they used to
16:20
Speaker 1: play over there when I was younger. I think definitely
16:22
Speaker 1: when I was a kid in like junior high. I
16:25
Speaker 1: remember the forty nine ers played a preseason game in Japan,
16:28
Speaker 1: So get buckle up for that one. And now going
16:31
Speaker 1: to France. That the league like this is once upon
16:35
Speaker 1: a time, Thursday Night football was a big feather in.
16:40
Speaker 1: Like Roger Goodell and Roll Lap who is now the
16:43
Speaker 1: PGA Tour Commissioners like their expansion of the NFL's revenue
16:49
Speaker 1: streams because all they're trying to do is grow revenue.
16:54
Speaker 1: And once you get so big, you get to a
16:57
Speaker 1: point like what's Apple gonna do to get any bigger?
16:59
Speaker 1: It's like they've already hit on the phone. The iPad. Hell,
17:02
Speaker 1: they're the AirPod business alone, I think i've read would
17:05
Speaker 1: be like a top five hundred company. The amount of
17:08
Speaker 1: money that they generate off the AirPods. Like just eventually
17:13
Speaker 1: you're just gonna run out of stuff to do. And
17:15
Speaker 1: I think football in the NFL, like they're viewing it,
17:19
Speaker 1: they only have so many more pitches and they're all
17:22
Speaker 1: in on this. I think if you view it like
17:24
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football was fourteen years ago. This is gonna
17:27
Speaker 1: be viewed the same and they will sell it to Netflix,
17:30
Speaker 1: and they will sell it to Amazon or whoever. We'll
17:32
Speaker 1: get that package, and there will be a game every
17:35
Speaker 1: single morning, bright and early when we get up for
17:38
Speaker 1: the entire football season. And one day it'll be in Brazil,
17:41
Speaker 1: one day it'll be in France, one day it'll be
17:43
Speaker 1: in Japan, Saudi Arabia, you name it. It'll be all
17:47
Speaker 1: over the world. And I think that is going to
17:49
Speaker 1: be probably Roger's last big swing, is I help turn
17:54
Speaker 1: the NFL into a global brand, Because twenty years ago
17:59
Speaker 1: it was a domestic sport like basketball was an international sport.
18:04
Speaker 1: Baseball was clearly an international sport, big in Asia, big
18:08
Speaker 1: in Southern America. Football's football like it was played here.
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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily know if it's going to expand
18:15
Speaker 1: from a playing standpoint, like little kids in France or
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Speaker 1: Madrid are going to be yelling, you know Blue eighty two,
18:24
Speaker 1: you know under center running go routes. But if you
18:28
Speaker 1: can get them to watch it, and I think they
18:30
Speaker 1: view F one and soccer, they're trying to do that,
18:34
Speaker 1: and whether it works because if it does, it could
18:38
Speaker 1: take the NFL to a completely different level. Before we
18:42
Speaker 1: dive into Guido, I do have. I got to hit
18:45
Speaker 1: on a couple dad diaries and uh, there is I
18:50
Speaker 1: owe a huge apology. I've probably talked shit behind parents
18:55
Speaker 1: young parents backs for a long time, like it can't
18:57
Speaker 1: be that hard, and the lack of sleep is just
19:01
Speaker 1: it is a grind and I'm not going to complain
19:03
Speaker 1: about it. Everyone goes through it, but you just try to.
19:07
Speaker 1: You just try to battle through it and drink enough
19:09
Speaker 1: coffee and coke zeros as humanly possible, and you get
19:12
Speaker 1: to a point where you don't even think it's doing anything.
19:15
Speaker 1: But it is cool seeing you know your child, your
19:19
Speaker 1: young son kind of become more of a human that
19:21
Speaker 1: every day. It's a really powerful thing. But as any
19:25
Speaker 1: parent knows that, the changing situation is quite the experience.
19:30
Speaker 1: And I always I never I have two young nephews
19:34
Speaker 1: that are now six and three. I don't think I've
19:37
Speaker 1: ever really held an infant baby. Part of it was
19:40
Speaker 1: the floppy neck. I just never felt comfortable. It was
19:42
Speaker 1: like I don't want it to be on my watch
19:44
Speaker 1: that I dropped so and so's kid. So it was
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20:04
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20:37
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Speaker 1: Very very excited. I woke up this morning to some news.
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Speaker 1: I said, what perfect time I'm having my man Al
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Speaker 1: Guido who was you know? I knew him as the
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Speaker 1: president of the forty nine ers. In this morning, Jed's like,
28:07
Speaker 1: he's my CEO of the forty nine ers. So al
28:10
Speaker 1: forty nineers are obviously hosting the Super Bowl. I will
28:12
Speaker 1: be there in the next twenty four hours. Congratulations and
28:16
Speaker 1: good to see him, man.
28:17
Speaker 2: Thanks Sean, Man, it's good to be on. It's great
28:19
Speaker 2: to see you.
28:21
Speaker 1: Does that something I mean, it didn't just happen overnight.
28:24
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been the president of the Niners, what
28:26
Speaker 1: almost a decade?
28:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a decade, man. I think it's probably
28:29
Speaker 2: not as long as I've known you. So I've been
28:32
Speaker 2: out here for fifteen years, but I've been in the
28:34
Speaker 2: president's chair for the last ten and so. No, Jed
28:36
Speaker 2: and I've been talking about it for the last call
28:38
Speaker 2: it a month or so, and it's I'm thrilled, man,
28:42
Speaker 2: I'm humbled. It's been a great family. Jed is the
28:44
Speaker 2: best to work for and having teammates like John and
28:47
Speaker 2: Kyle on the football side are just is just awesome.
28:49
Speaker 3: Man.
28:49
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I wish we were playing in this
28:51
Speaker 2: game that we're hosting. That's the only down the bummer
28:53
Speaker 2: about it all. But it's a really special group to
28:56
Speaker 2: be a part of, man, and I'm looking forward to
28:57
Speaker 2: doing it for hopefully as long as they let me.
29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as someone that grew up in that area,
29:01
Speaker 1: I mean when I was a kid, Steve Young, I
29:03
Speaker 1: was a little after Montana era, but Steve and Jerry
29:06
Speaker 1: and you know, it was as big as it gets.
29:09
Speaker 1: And you got the opportunity to be the CEO of
29:12
Speaker 1: one of the biggest brands in American sports, probably in
29:14
Speaker 1: the world. When you just factor in the brand, you know,
29:17
Speaker 1: I talk obviously a lot of football, you know, John Kyle,
29:21
Speaker 1: the people in those rules. When you're the president, now
29:23
Speaker 1: the CEO, like does that from a day to day standpoint,
29:27
Speaker 1: Like what do you do?
29:30
Speaker 2: Well? You mentioned running the business of it, which is
29:32
Speaker 2: frankly grown in size and people in complexity, I mean
29:38
Speaker 2: all across the board. Right when I first got here,
29:40
Speaker 2: we were embarking on trying to build Levi Stadium. We
29:43
Speaker 2: went from the oldest non renovated stadium in the US
29:46
Speaker 2: at Candlestick Park, which had tremendous great memories, but frankly
29:49
Speaker 2: put us in the bottom quartile a lot of metrics,
29:51
Speaker 2: and now you return to the rightful place of top quartile,
29:54
Speaker 2: not just on the field, but off the field in
29:56
Speaker 2: the business. And John Levi's has been great. Like it's
29:59
Speaker 2: been a you know, twelve years, we've obviously made it
30:01
Speaker 2: a home field advantage. Now over time, we had our
30:03
Speaker 2: stops and starts in the very beginning, there's no doubt
30:05
Speaker 2: about that. I think we've learned from all that we've grown.
30:08
Speaker 2: And then you mentioned it just the international footprint. I mean,
30:12
Speaker 2: the Niners were already a massive brand, five time Super
30:14
Speaker 2: Bowl champions, the most dominant team in the Bay. But
30:18
Speaker 2: now you look at us on the road, you look
30:19
Speaker 2: at us internationally, you look at the events that we
30:22
Speaker 2: put in this building. It's just grown. I think when
30:24
Speaker 2: I first got here, the Niners are roughly about eighty employees,
30:28
Speaker 2: and now fast forward, you're close to five hundred. It's
30:31
Speaker 2: just a different operation in organization now. And I say
30:33
Speaker 2: that for the good. It's just that being part of
30:35
Speaker 2: the National Football League, it's just the engine man, it's
30:37
Speaker 2: the machine that just keeps on growing, and I'm proud
30:40
Speaker 2: to be a part of it.
30:41
Speaker 1: You know, when I worked for the Eagles, I used
30:43
Speaker 1: to work out some times in the morning, but i'd
30:46
Speaker 1: go there to shower. My locker was right around Don Smilenski's,
30:49
Speaker 1: who used to just be there bright and early, riding
30:52
Speaker 1: the bike, and I used to pick his brain because
30:55
Speaker 1: you know, they had a newer stadium relative to the
30:57
Speaker 1: you guys a couple of years before, maybe like a
30:59
Speaker 1: decade or whatever, but it was so big for you know,
31:02
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift or whoever would come by, and obviously that's
31:05
Speaker 1: a big deal for you guys. Stadium talk is such
31:09
Speaker 1: a big deal in the NFL, because is it the
31:12
Speaker 1: importance of the suites? Is it the importance of getting
31:15
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble, the WrestleMania, Taylor Swift? Whatever? Because football
31:21
Speaker 1: is not basketball or baseball, right, you only get eight
31:23
Speaker 1: or nine games.
31:24
Speaker 2: Yep, It's it's so important, man. I mean, look, it's
31:27
Speaker 2: it's good for our community too. Like I don't want
31:30
Speaker 2: to overstate the importance for the forty nine ers, because
31:32
Speaker 2: there's no doubt the NFL is still kind of the
31:35
Speaker 2: hero feature, the biggest, you know, part of our revenue stream.
31:39
Speaker 2: But you know when you go on and bark about
31:41
Speaker 2: building these stadiums, they're no longer. You mentioned the Eagles, right,
31:44
Speaker 2: and Don's a dear friend. I think he's one of
31:46
Speaker 2: the best people in this in our industry. You know,
31:48
Speaker 2: those stadiums cost three four hundred million. Right now you've
31:50
Speaker 2: got stadiums costing two three six billion dollars. And so
31:54
Speaker 2: to pay for those stadiums, you can't just put ten
31:58
Speaker 2: games on, right, it just doesn't make sense. And then
32:01
Speaker 2: to be able to host a Super Bowl, it's not good,
32:03
Speaker 2: not just good for us. Frankly, it's okay for the
32:06
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, it's fine. It's actually great for our region.
32:09
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about two billion dollars of economic
32:11
Speaker 2: impact that's been delivered since we opened up Levi Stadium.
32:14
Speaker 2: That's in the first twelve years. We're going to do
32:16
Speaker 2: over a billion in the next six months between the
32:19
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and the World Cup, talking about ten thousand jobs.
32:22
Speaker 2: I mean Daniel Laurier, our great mayor of San Francisco,
32:25
Speaker 2: the other day he told me one point three million
32:27
Speaker 2: people are going to fly in here over of course
32:29
Speaker 2: to seven days, four hundred thousand hotel rooms are booked. John,
32:32
Speaker 2: you know this market really well, right. It got beat
32:35
Speaker 2: up during COVID. There's a lot of national stories about it.
32:38
Speaker 2: I was fun to see Charles Barkley admit the San
32:40
Speaker 2: Francisco is a great place during the NBA All Star Game.
32:43
Speaker 2: But I kind of view that as our jobs, like
32:45
Speaker 2: we're behind the scenes. To your point, the actors and
32:47
Speaker 2: the actresses, they're the stars, John, Kyle, the team, they're
32:51
Speaker 2: the stars, but there's a lot of people behind the scenes.
32:54
Speaker 2: I use a lot of sports analogies, like we all
32:56
Speaker 2: need teammates. Yeah, we got to have a quarterback, but
32:59
Speaker 2: we all need team mates and the team behind the
33:01
Speaker 2: scenes that the forty nine ers are just fantastic. And
33:04
Speaker 2: you know, when you got a good quality product on
33:06
Speaker 2: the field, that helps it just makes everything go a
33:08
Speaker 2: little bit smoother.
33:09
Speaker 1: So let's talk some super Bowl. When you get a
33:11
Speaker 1: new stadium, do you automatically get the Super Bowl? Is
33:14
Speaker 1: that why you got it the first time? Or you
33:15
Speaker 1: don't exactly get it?
33:16
Speaker 2: No, you don't. Actually, as a matter of fact, you
33:18
Speaker 2: have to. You have to go through the process. John.
33:21
Speaker 2: So it used to be that cities would bid against
33:23
Speaker 2: each other, and I'm glad they changed that to be
33:26
Speaker 2: totally honest. Like, So what happens now is you eventually
33:30
Speaker 2: you you sign up for your interest, like an indication
33:32
Speaker 2: of interest. So then you get a note back from
33:35
Speaker 2: the NFL says, hey, we're willing to talk to you
33:36
Speaker 2: about Super Bowl. Then you have to put your best
33:39
Speaker 2: foot forward. It's like your sales pitch and it's like
33:41
Speaker 2: your job interview. So for us, I don't remember exactly
33:44
Speaker 2: when this happened, but I started I've embarked on this
33:46
Speaker 2: about five years ago, trying to get like all of
33:49
Speaker 2: our support necessary to convince the commissioner and Peter O'Reilly
33:53
Speaker 2: and everybody else to bring it back. But to do that,
33:56
Speaker 2: we had the entire Barrier Caucus sign up for support.
33:58
Speaker 2: You have all your corporate spond to sign up for support.
34:01
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to raise a significant amount of
34:03
Speaker 2: money just to put this event on, just given the
34:05
Speaker 2: size and scale that it's grown to John and so
34:08
Speaker 2: we were never guaranteed a Super Bowl. We felt good
34:11
Speaker 2: that we were going to get fifty, knowing that we
34:13
Speaker 2: built the stadium. But you fast forward to get sixty,
34:16
Speaker 2: the competitive landscape was entirely different. Allegiance didn't exist in
34:20
Speaker 2: Vegas so far didn't exist in LA. You already had
34:24
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl markets in New Orleans or others right
34:26
Speaker 2: in Miami, and so now it's a really really competitive
34:29
Speaker 2: thing to be able to win the rights to host
34:30
Speaker 2: one of these.
34:31
Speaker 1: So it's when you say, Roger and his team, is
34:36
Speaker 1: it you presenting or like you put in a bit originally,
34:39
Speaker 1: and then there's a process from there where you start
34:41
Speaker 1: doing a presentation in front of goodell.
34:44
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we actually do. It's a
34:47
Speaker 2: fun sales pitch man, and I we're aggressive here at
34:50
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, Like I didn't wait for that
34:53
Speaker 2: indication of interest to come. I sent over a note
34:56
Speaker 2: in letters to the league telling them why they needed
34:58
Speaker 2: to come back here.
35:00
Speaker 1: Uh.
35:00
Speaker 2: And then obviously got that got our foot in the door.
35:03
Speaker 2: And you know when we when we got when we
35:05
Speaker 2: got our foot in the door, man, we just knocked
35:07
Speaker 2: out of the park. And it takes an army and
35:10
Speaker 2: we host. You have to have a nonprofit entity and
35:13
Speaker 2: we already had one in Super Bowl fifty, but we
35:15
Speaker 2: dissolved it and so we recreated something called the Barrier
35:19
Speaker 2: Host Committee, which is effectively a nonprofit commission to help
35:22
Speaker 2: put on the event. And what I was proud about
35:24
Speaker 2: this time around, John, because we had to make the
35:26
Speaker 2: best sales pitches. Every single one of my counterparts at
35:30
Speaker 2: all the other Barrier Professional Sports team signed up to
35:33
Speaker 2: be part of that board. They all actually put in
35:36
Speaker 2: their own dollars to support our cause and effort. And
35:39
Speaker 2: you look at now like Chase Centers involved in the bid,
35:42
Speaker 2: SAP Centers involved, which is where the home of the
35:44
Speaker 2: San Jase Sharks, Larry Bear and Oracle Park, you know,
35:48
Speaker 2: their whole ball ballparks involved in the bid. Because the
35:51
Speaker 2: footprint is just so drastically different, and so yeah, it was,
35:55
Speaker 2: it was. It was a hard thing to do. You
35:57
Speaker 2: don't know who you're competing against. Frankly they never tell you,
35:59
Speaker 2: but you know, never let let anything or you know,
36:02
Speaker 2: never have a risk a chance, just put your best
36:04
Speaker 2: foot forward.
36:05
Speaker 1: So it's almost like a construction company if they want
36:07
Speaker 1: to build something and four people put in bids. Let's
36:10
Speaker 1: just pick a number one hundred million dollars give or take,
36:12
Speaker 1: and that company picks the guy that did the highest.
36:15
Speaker 1: Let's say it's one fifteen one of those. It's kind
36:16
Speaker 1: of a blind bid and it goes like that year
36:20
Speaker 1: to year. When do you officially find out is that
36:23
Speaker 1: an owner's meeting, when Roger announces that you guys got
36:26
Speaker 1: the super Bowl.
36:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're told privately right before, Like generally speaking, they
36:31
Speaker 2: do it at the annual meeting in March. I want
36:33
Speaker 2: to say ours was like two years ago, was when
36:35
Speaker 2: they officially announced US. I think we knew probably a
36:38
Speaker 2: couple of months prior to that. But John, this was
36:41
Speaker 2: even more delicate because the year of twenty six also
36:46
Speaker 2: includes the World Cup year in the United States, and
36:48
Speaker 2: so you have I think ten cities in the US
36:51
Speaker 2: that are also hosting US bids. And so what was
36:55
Speaker 2: important to the super Bowl or to the NFL, I
36:57
Speaker 2: should say, was that we had the not just monetarily,
37:03
Speaker 2: but that we had the capacity from a political perspective
37:05
Speaker 2: and a corporate perspective on the support to host the
37:08
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and the World Cup in the same calendar
37:10
Speaker 2: year and will be the only stadium that has ever
37:12
Speaker 2: done that in the history of those two events. And
37:15
Speaker 2: so I'm really really proud of our region and our
37:18
Speaker 2: team to pull that off because frankly, a lot of
37:20
Speaker 2: people probably didn't want to, you know, undertake that effort,
37:24
Speaker 2: but we did.
37:25
Speaker 1: Does the World Cup entail like downtown, the Moscone Center,
37:29
Speaker 1: all the different stuff going on as well.
37:31
Speaker 2: It's a little different because it's spread out a little
37:34
Speaker 2: bit more in that regard where you'll have the participating
37:38
Speaker 2: countries or teams you know, stay mostly in the South
37:41
Speaker 2: Bay in and around the facility, just given the tournament
37:44
Speaker 2: nature and so where Yeah, there's probably more events happening
37:48
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, and then there might be in the
37:49
Speaker 2: South Bay. Since you know the market, I can speak
37:51
Speaker 2: to you in that way. The World Cup will probably
37:53
Speaker 2: flip John where most of the events will happen more
37:56
Speaker 2: in the South Bay than they will in San Francisco.
37:58
Speaker 2: Just get dude, the you know, the event schedule. But
38:02
Speaker 2: the good news is, you know, between NBA All Star
38:05
Speaker 2: which happened here at Chase Center, the Super Bowl, and
38:09
Speaker 2: the World Cup, like I mentioned, that's over a billion
38:11
Speaker 2: dollars in economic impact and literally like less than a
38:14
Speaker 2: year timeframe, which is which is really awesome.
38:18
Speaker 1: So as this stuff's going on right now downtown the
38:20
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week as the host team and obviously you
38:25
Speaker 1: run point for the business of the forty nine ers,
38:27
Speaker 1: how much is that on you and your guys run
38:31
Speaker 1: and point all this stuff and how much of it
38:33
Speaker 1: goes on rog and his team because obviously it's a
38:35
Speaker 1: huge NFL corporate event.
38:37
Speaker 2: Is that fair to say, Yeah, it's fair to say.
38:39
Speaker 2: I would say the Monday through Saturday it's probably split.
38:45
Speaker 2: Call it fifty to fifty them us. Game Day is
38:48
Speaker 2: a lot of us, and I mean like the particular
38:51
Speaker 2: parts of game day, right the stadium operation. We already
38:54
Speaker 2: know how to operate that building, and so they rely
38:56
Speaker 2: on a lot of our staff, the grounds crew, and
38:59
Speaker 2: I think Mack Grinder, in my opinion, is the best
39:01
Speaker 2: in the game. Our field at Levi's is known as
39:04
Speaker 2: one of the highest rate of fields there and so
39:06
Speaker 2: to know that Matt and his team are working on
39:08
Speaker 2: that on behalf of the teams themselves, which is Look,
39:11
Speaker 2: it's a little weird because you're throwing a party for
39:15
Speaker 2: in one case, our division rival, in another case an
39:18
Speaker 2: AFC team. But I'm proud of our staff man. They're
39:22
Speaker 2: working their tails off to to do a good job
39:24
Speaker 2: on the two on behalf of the two participating teams.
39:26
Speaker 2: Darnold former Niner, So I mean, hey, listen, Sam, Sam's
39:30
Speaker 2: Sam's a great guy. And uh, look I'm gutted. Of
39:34
Speaker 2: course every year you want to win the thing and
39:36
Speaker 2: we want to put a six Lombardi Trophy in there.
39:38
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, hard pressed not to be happy
39:41
Speaker 2: for him as a human. He's so such a good dude.
39:43
Speaker 2: He was good, he's good with us, and he's had
39:45
Speaker 2: a hell of a.
39:45
Speaker 1: Year, you know, for your role for people listening, you know,
39:49
Speaker 1: I think you know, the GMS and the coaches now
39:51
Speaker 1: are so famous as the number one television show in America.
39:54
Speaker 1: These guys are just famous as the players, especially they
39:56
Speaker 1: coach like Kyle as CEO president running the business side.
40:01
Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot about alignment, right, you know,
40:04
Speaker 1: just inside the organization, your role working with those guys
40:09
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, over the the aggregate of a season,
40:12
Speaker 1: over the off season, how is your role impacted by
40:17
Speaker 1: their role beside you know, wins and losses. I'm just saying,
40:20
Speaker 1: working with them, how often do you rely on them?
40:23
Speaker 1: Do you ask them for stuff to help you out?
40:24
Speaker 1: Because clearly, you know from seasons I saw you know,
40:27
Speaker 1: Robert Sala taking phone calls. You know, that's that's always
40:29
Speaker 1: a new coach thing. A little different with Kyle who's
40:32
Speaker 1: what he's going to be going on year ten. Him
40:34
Speaker 1: and McVeigh hired the same cycles. They've been here for
40:36
Speaker 1: a while, so it's not like he's got to get
40:37
Speaker 1: on the on the horn. It sells itself. But your
40:40
Speaker 1: role relative to the GM and the coach.
40:42
Speaker 2: I talk to him all the time, you know, I
40:43
Speaker 2: consider myself their teammate and I'm here to support them
40:46
Speaker 2: and what they need. Right, the reality is our job
40:49
Speaker 2: is to win football games and put a Lombardi Trophy
40:52
Speaker 2: in there. Like that's not lost in all of us, Frankly,
40:54
Speaker 2: like you mentioned some of the guys, we stand on
40:56
Speaker 2: the shoulders of giants who came before us. Like if
40:58
Speaker 2: we ever forget what our goal is, we're reminded the
41:00
Speaker 2: minute we walk into four nine four nine, when we
41:02
Speaker 2: stare at the Umbardi trophies what our job is to do.
41:05
Speaker 2: But they also understand John that look like, you know,
41:08
Speaker 2: if all we do is win, we will have failed. Right.
41:11
Speaker 2: We do have other goals, and our fan base has
41:14
Speaker 2: been supportive of us through the ups and downs. I've
41:17
Speaker 2: been in the National Football League twenty years with two
41:20
Speaker 2: different franchises, and I gotta tell you, like John and
41:23
Speaker 2: Kyle are the best teammates I've ever had, and they
41:26
Speaker 2: understand that there are requirements that sit outside of just
41:29
Speaker 2: coaching that or just picking players, and that it's bigger
41:31
Speaker 2: than that. But I'll tell you, like when it comes
41:34
Speaker 2: around to Sundays, man, I feel good about our opportunity
41:37
Speaker 2: to win based off the work they do. And John,
41:40
Speaker 2: we have a salary cap in our league. So the
41:41
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is, no matter how high our
41:43
Speaker 2: revenue streams may go or what we do, there's always
41:46
Speaker 2: going to be some level of economic parody. Yeah, right,
41:49
Speaker 2: but you're hard pressed. I mean you cover this league.
41:51
Speaker 2: The teams who consistently win, right, are teams that have
41:54
Speaker 2: alignment between their business and their football staff and their
41:57
Speaker 2: ownership team. And Jed York's awesome, man. And to know
42:01
Speaker 2: that I've been having I guess what ten years with
42:03
Speaker 2: these guys is coming here on the continuity of our group,
42:07
Speaker 2: the getting to know each other really well. We enjoy
42:09
Speaker 2: each other both you know, at work and frankly outside
42:11
Speaker 2: of work. We're dear friends. I think it matters. I mean,
42:14
Speaker 2: you've been in NFL buildings, you know what that feels like.
42:16
Speaker 2: When you got a group that's working hard together for
42:18
Speaker 2: a common goal, and we got one. Here.
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43:43
Speaker 1: We get asked a lot about like why is the
43:45
Speaker 1: owner so important? Why is the guy at the top,
43:47
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes hard to find it's easy to
43:49
Speaker 1: go well Kyle called a bad play there, or he says, hey,
43:51
Speaker 1: we should have done this. The game's very you know,
43:54
Speaker 1: buying area, it's very black and white. With the owner.
43:56
Speaker 1: It's like it's hard to tell. You know, everyone in
43:59
Speaker 1: the league, right, You've heard these stories of different buildings.
44:03
Speaker 1: Why is it so important for that that guy's role
44:07
Speaker 1: down throughout the building. And I'm not just talking resources
44:09
Speaker 1: and cutting checks, but what role do they play in
44:14
Speaker 1: the success of an NFL team?
44:17
Speaker 2: Oh, so they're so important, John, And it's hard. It's
44:20
Speaker 2: like that's a hard job, right, I mean, you think
44:22
Speaker 2: about it. There's few companies in the world, businesses in
44:26
Speaker 2: the world, and the NFL is a business too that
44:28
Speaker 2: like you have this many people telling you what to
44:31
Speaker 2: do every day, and and to have an owner that
44:36
Speaker 2: you know is patient and understands that none of this
44:39
Speaker 2: stuff happens overnight, that you know is not suaded by
44:44
Speaker 2: one ounce of media coverage or the other. And I
44:46
Speaker 2: don't say that in a bad thing, Like I'm gifted
44:48
Speaker 2: by the fact that so many people care about our game.
44:51
Speaker 2: And that's his viewpoint on it too, Like all of
44:53
Speaker 2: this is actually good and helpful. But I think John
44:57
Speaker 2: is sort of like to have the patience right to
45:00
Speaker 2: have you know that you talked about. The resources, of
45:04
Speaker 2: course are important, but to me, when when leadership matters,
45:09
Speaker 2: and when you're leader, which in Jed walks into the
45:11
Speaker 2: building and he's confident in the people he's hired. He's supportive,
45:15
Speaker 2: he's patient in getting to where we got to go.
45:18
Speaker 2: He picks us up when we're down right, Like it's
45:20
Speaker 2: really easy to play ther your fault, you know, my
45:24
Speaker 2: fault type of thing. We don't get that. Like we
45:26
Speaker 2: go through the ups and downs together as a group.
45:29
Speaker 2: There's no finger pointing inside of our room. We all
45:31
Speaker 2: know we got to get better at every single thing
45:33
Speaker 2: we have. It opens an open and honest dialogue around that.
45:36
Speaker 2: That part. And look, I've been part of two owners,
45:41
Speaker 2: you know, and that you know my previous one was great.
45:43
Speaker 2: But I'm really blessed to work for the York family
45:45
Speaker 2: and prior to them, John, you know you covered this franchise,
45:49
Speaker 2: the York de Bartolow family and what that's meant to
45:51
Speaker 2: the National Football League. Jed Jed certainly leans a lot
45:54
Speaker 2: on his mom, his dad and of course his uncle.
45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I recorded that was last night the A See debut.
46:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a couple I think it was a
46:02
Speaker 2: couple of days ago. But yeah, I know what you're
46:04
Speaker 2: talking about.
46:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, recorded on YouTube. Okay, yeah, last night was when
46:07
Speaker 1: it got air. But yes, okay, from your seat, you know,
46:12
Speaker 1: the GM role is clearly evolved from just sitting in
46:15
Speaker 1: an office and watching tape and John's John, I'm sure
46:19
Speaker 1: wears a lot of hats. What from you from your standpoint,
46:23
Speaker 1: what just big picture? What makes that role so difficult?
46:26
Speaker 1: And what do you see that in John Lynch that
46:29
Speaker 1: he brings the table. That just is something that you've
46:32
Speaker 1: been impressed by in your ten years or whatever being
46:35
Speaker 1: around him.
46:38
Speaker 2: His ability to connect with players I think is really
46:43
Speaker 2: important John, and not just our currents, but you know
46:47
Speaker 2: draft eligible players. Look, you you spent time in this world,
46:51
Speaker 2: so you're gonna know what I say here. The margin
46:53
Speaker 2: of error and or success is so small in this league, right,
46:57
Speaker 2: everybody is big and fast and strong, and they play
47:01
Speaker 2: at big time football in college, but truly like the
47:05
Speaker 2: people that you select and draft into your room and
47:09
Speaker 2: the culture that that makes up. Like, I'm really proud
47:12
Speaker 2: to be affiliated with this team because people talk about
47:15
Speaker 2: how good guys they are, right they police themselves, and
47:18
Speaker 2: how hard they work. Well, you've got to know people
47:20
Speaker 2: on an emotional level. And John playing the sport, broadcasting
47:26
Speaker 2: the sport, and now in this I think he's just
47:29
Speaker 2: got a really good lens to look at this where
47:30
Speaker 2: it's like, Hey, they're not just draftable assets, they're actually humans.
47:34
Speaker 2: And they're humans who play a tough, grimy, gritty game.
47:38
Speaker 2: And I know how to actually understand what's in here, John,
47:42
Speaker 2: not what's on the stat sheet, but what's actually in
47:44
Speaker 2: here in the heart. And I like to think that's
47:46
Speaker 2: what's made us successful in the fact of not only
47:49
Speaker 2: have been good on the field, but we drafted really
47:51
Speaker 2: quality players off the field, and that's led to having
47:55
Speaker 2: a great culture and able to build us a fantastic brand.
47:58
Speaker 1: Well, how many businesses in the world at the scale
48:00
Speaker 1: in which the NFL is is the product the human capital? Right,
48:04
Speaker 1: you know, you look at Apple, you look at Costco.
48:06
Speaker 1: It's all some form of widget, whether it's a phone,
48:09
Speaker 1: whether it's a piece of meat, what regardless. But football,
48:13
Speaker 1: it's the players, right.
48:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's one hundred percent and it's and
48:17
Speaker 2: it's insuler and the fact of you know they're they're
48:20
Speaker 2: in there by themselves. It's the ultimate team sport. You're
48:22
Speaker 2: literally getting knocked down. You got to get back up.
48:24
Speaker 2: I mean, character matters. You talked about it, right like,
48:28
Speaker 2: that's why the ownership matters, because the belief, the going
48:32
Speaker 2: through hard times together and how people it's always look
48:35
Speaker 2: it's easy when everything's up into the right, whether that's
48:37
Speaker 2: business or on the field. You really find out a
48:40
Speaker 2: lot about people when you're going through the downtimes. And
48:43
Speaker 2: we went through some some downtimes with this regime, whether
48:46
Speaker 2: it was injury related or whether it was the early
48:48
Speaker 2: days and rebuilding the roster, and just to see how
48:52
Speaker 2: hard this group works. It makes it really easy to
48:55
Speaker 2: go into the office every single day.
48:57
Speaker 1: I'll get you out of here on this I get
48:58
Speaker 1: asked a lot of questions, advice and how to get
49:01
Speaker 1: into the sporting world. And you know, if you're a
49:03
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player like John Lancher. You know, Kyle's
49:06
Speaker 1: dad's Mike, and then he plays at Texas and he's
49:08
Speaker 1: clearly just a brilliant born into the life. Like the
49:11
Speaker 1: Kubiak fam. I mean, there's and then there's Alguido. You
49:14
Speaker 1: played small school football right in New Jersey and whatever.
49:20
Speaker 1: A couple of decades later, you're the CEO of the
49:22
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. You've been the president for a decade,
49:24
Speaker 1: so you get asked this. You probably have people always
49:27
Speaker 1: wanting to work for the forty nine ers. Just any
49:30
Speaker 1: I would say general macro advice to young people that
49:34
Speaker 1: are listening to this that want to quote unquote work
49:36
Speaker 1: in sports, because I think it's easy to say that,
49:38
Speaker 1: But then you start attacking, like where do I even start?
49:41
Speaker 1: And you correct me if I'm wrong. You got your
49:43
Speaker 1: start in ticket sales.
49:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, buddy, you know it. Well, Look, I'm I'm blessed.
49:48
Speaker 2: I had two great parents. My father and my mother
49:51
Speaker 2: is stilled a good work ethic of me. You know,
49:53
Speaker 2: when I was a little kid, I got great coaches.
49:55
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, I was able to play D three sports,
49:57
Speaker 2: and you gotta really love football to play D three sports.
50:00
Speaker 2: No one's giving you a scholarship or name, image and
50:02
Speaker 2: likeness to do that.
50:03
Speaker 1: Were you like were you like Debo or McCaffrey, Like
50:05
Speaker 1: I was a slot receiver.
50:07
Speaker 2: I was a quarterback when I got there, and then
50:09
Speaker 2: some six or five kids transferred from D one down
50:11
Speaker 2: and they quickly moved me to wide out.
50:13
Speaker 1: So you're like the Jersey Edelman.
50:16
Speaker 2: I'll take it, man, I'll take it. My advice John
50:19
Speaker 2: is like, it's no different than Look, I got to
50:22
Speaker 2: work for a lot of good people. I would say
50:24
Speaker 2: I was inquisitive around the business itself. I wanted to
50:27
Speaker 2: know everything, like how things worked. I wanted to know
50:30
Speaker 2: how media deals worked. I wanted to know how sponsorship
50:33
Speaker 2: deals work. I would just ask a bunch of questions
50:35
Speaker 2: and I would get a lot of people around me.
50:37
Speaker 2: But look, it's cliche, but it hangs as a quote
50:40
Speaker 2: in my you know, in my office and at my
50:43
Speaker 2: home for my girls. I have three girls, teenage girls. Look,
50:45
Speaker 2: the dream is free, the hustle is sold separately. Everybody
50:49
Speaker 2: wants to be in sports entertainment. If you're a sports fan,
50:52
Speaker 2: like I was right, I would read every single publication
50:55
Speaker 2: growing up. I'd watch Sports Center seven times on replay
50:58
Speaker 2: and I would know exactly every word by the end.
51:00
Speaker 2: But just loving it is not enough. Just enjoying sports
51:04
Speaker 2: is not enough. Like how you treat people on the
51:06
Speaker 2: work ethic that you have, you know will dictate your future.
51:09
Speaker 2: And I appreciate the platform John to come on because
51:12
Speaker 2: to me, and I tell my kids this, like anything
51:15
Speaker 2: can happen, right as long as you're willing to dream
51:17
Speaker 2: it and work hard enough to go get it. And
51:20
Speaker 2: I'm an embodiment of it. But it is an honor
51:23
Speaker 2: to sit in this chair and to spend some time
51:25
Speaker 2: the other night with Carmen Policy who got to do
51:27
Speaker 2: it for me and win all those Super Bowl trophies
51:30
Speaker 2: with Eddie like it gives me something to strive for, man,
51:33
Speaker 2: And my hope is that and then you know, call
51:35
Speaker 2: it the near future that while I'm here, we get
51:37
Speaker 2: to put another trophy back in for this fan base,
51:39
Speaker 2: because man, they deserve it so much.
51:41
Speaker 1: So where are you and Rodge going to dinner tonight?
51:44
Speaker 2: I don't actually know. I think he's doing the State
51:46
Speaker 2: of the Union. So we'll see what's up.
51:48
Speaker 1: Okay, standing invite to that volume party on Wednesday night.
51:51
Speaker 1: I'll text you later this week, and thanks again for
51:53
Speaker 1: coming on and congrats on the Super Bowl, grats on
51:55
Speaker 1: the World Cup, and again congrats to you personally. That's
51:58
Speaker 1: that's a big time bro.
52:00
Speaker 2: All right, right back at you man, Congrats to your family.
52:03
Speaker 2: So happy for you and UH and you and the
52:05
Speaker 2: cown and the rest of the team. All right, appreciate you.
52:06
Speaker 1: See I'll see you, see you buddy. The volume
52:14
Speaker 2: M hm