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The Kenny Report | 16 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me Tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The immigration debate heats up as the Home Affairs Minister
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  Speaker 3: reveals more refugees from Gaza are expected to arrive on
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  Speaker 3: our shores. While the Albanezi governments recognize the state of Palestine,
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  Speaker 3: its public servants can't answer basic questions about this non
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  Speaker 3: existent country. I'll talk to Alexander Downer. Donald Trump snubs
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  Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer as Nigel Ferrar's surgers in
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  Speaker 3: the polls.
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  Speaker 2: Sophie Osworth joins us from London.
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  Speaker 3: Plenty in sport too, with Robbo as an Olympic champion
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  Speaker 3: retires early and the Poms reckon will be a pushover
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  Speaker 3: for the Ashes. So much to get through. Tim Blair
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  Speaker 3: and Mark Nicholson too on what is perhaps the worst
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  Speaker 3: ever case of Trump derangement syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: The immigration debate continues to be volatile today, with Howard
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  Speaker 3: era Immigration Minister and Liberal Party elder Philip Ruddick buying
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  Speaker 3: into the issue with a direct swipe at rising Liberal
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  Speaker 3: star Andrew Hasty. Writing in The Australian, Ruddick pushed back
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  Speaker 3: against what he saw as divisiveness in the immigration debate.
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  Speaker 3: Amid these tensions, wrote the former minister, there are some
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  Speaker 3: who wish to politicize the debate by suggesting Australians have
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  Speaker 3: a fear of becoming strangers in their own country. We
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  Speaker 3: as a nation must resist this flawed sentiment. That was
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  Speaker 3: a very direct reference to an intervention last month by
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  Speaker 3: former front bencher and long term Liberal leadership aspirant Hasty.
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  Speaker 4: In one lengthy post on social media, he tells followers
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  Speaker 4: Australians are starting to feel like strangers in our own homes.
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  Speaker 4: If Liberals dodact, he says, we might even die as
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  Speaker 4: a political movement.
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  Speaker 2: This is a delicate issue.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt our immigration rate is too high now.
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  Speaker 3: Even the government admits that they're reducing the intake as
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  Speaker 3: we speak. But the issue of integration and social cohesion
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  Speaker 3: is sensitive and it can be toxic.
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  Speaker 2: If you dare even.
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  Speaker 3: Dip your toe into this water, you'll be denounced as
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  Speaker 3: xenophobic or even racist. So surely Hasty has been brave
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  Speaker 3: enough to raise a very important point. Over the past
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  Speaker 3: two years, we've seen the worst examples of racial, religious,
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  Speaker 3: and cultural intolerance that this country's seen in the post
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  Speaker 3: war era.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, look at this from the streets of.
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  Speaker 3: Sydney's Lukember the day after the October the seventh atrocities
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  Speaker 3: in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I'm smiling and I'm happy. I'm innatan. It's a day
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  Speaker 2: of courage.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the question is how many Australians would not have
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  Speaker 3: felt like strangers if they'd stumbled across that gathering, that
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  Speaker 3: macabre celebration. How can we accept that level of intimidation
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  Speaker 3: and intolerance in our society? And the next night we
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  Speaker 3: saw this at the Opera House and the same question applies.
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  Speaker 3: Who would not have felt out of place if they
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  Speaker 3: were at that place at that time hearing that stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Did that look or sound like the Australia we know
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  Speaker 3: and love and want? Is that the level of religious
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  Speaker 3: or racial hatred acceptable in modern Australia? Is that an
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  Speaker 3: example of multiculturalism and social cohesion working or fracturing? Tough debate,
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  Speaker 3: but hasty is right to try to have the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: This conversation on the Coalition side happens just as the
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  Speaker 3: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has revealed that up to
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred additional Ghazan immigrants could come to Australia in
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  Speaker 3: coming weeks, even though a ceasefire is in place in
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  Speaker 3: Gaza and the war is supposed to be over. By
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  Speaker 3: the end of last year, almost two thousand Gazans had
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  Speaker 3: arrived here.
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  Speaker 2: There will be many more.
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  Speaker 3: Now we don't know the exact number, but almost three
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  Speaker 3: five hundred visas have been approved, with twice as many rejected,
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  Speaker 3: and today.
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  Speaker 2: We learned more are on the way.
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  Speaker 3: But the Minister is quick to point out that none
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  Speaker 3: of them will be prisoners freed as part of the
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  Speaker 3: peace process.
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  Speaker 6: And I made sure I had this because there's been
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  Speaker 6: there was a bizarre allocation that somehow we've been in
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  Speaker 6: resettlement involved in resettlement of people who've been in prison.
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  Speaker 6: There are resettlement countries, Australia's not.
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  Speaker 7: One of them.
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  Speaker 6: The people who we have on our caseload, there's roughly
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  Speaker 6: six to seven hundred of them who well, roughly six
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  Speaker 6: to seven hundred on our caseload. Sometimes we have peaceful
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  Speaker 6: on our caseload where we don't know if they're still alive.
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  Speaker 6: But we've got roughly six to seven hundred on our caseload.
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  Speaker 6: And for those individuals and they've had all the checks
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  Speaker 6: that that I just described effectively. They would have been
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  Speaker 6: here some time ago, but they haven't been able to
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  Speaker 6: get out. Some of them may well start coming. It's
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  Speaker 6: also true if the piece is successful, as happens with
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  Speaker 6: any conflict, some people might decide they don't want to
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  Speaker 6: leave after all.
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  Speaker 3: This is a stunning revelation given the poor enhancement is
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  Speaker 3: already calling for the more than two thousand Garzans already
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  Speaker 3: here to.
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  Speaker 2: Be sent back to the Middle East immediately.
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  Speaker 3: It's worth pointing out that Australia appears to have given
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  Speaker 3: temporary visas to far more people fleeing Gaza than any
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  Speaker 3: other country, and Arab nations in particular have done little
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  Speaker 3: to welcome Ghars and refugees. We're revealed last month how
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  Speaker 3: the Minister welcomed one cohort of Gazan immigrants at Sydney Airport,
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  Speaker 3: and he refused to answer questions about why. Today he
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  Speaker 3: finally provided details, explaining how he'd taken a special interest
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  Speaker 3: in one mother and daughter. Ah, well, I haven't got
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  Speaker 3: that grab, I'm afraid, but to undoubted, the Minister explained
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  Speaker 3: that he had actually spoken to this mother and daughter
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  Speaker 3: on a video link while they were sheltering in a
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  Speaker 3: church in Gaza. He'd kept in touch up to a
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  Speaker 3: point when he found out they were coming to Australia,
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to be there personally as the minister to
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  Speaker 3: welcome them to the country. But undoubtedly that was wonderful
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  Speaker 3: news for that family, of course, but questions remain about
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  Speaker 3: how many more gardens are going to arrive and why
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  Speaker 3: that should happen if peace holds, especially when Arab nations
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  Speaker 3: in the region are doing so little. And the even
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  Speaker 3: bigger dilemma remains social cohesion here in Australia, when the
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  Speaker 3: Albinisi government has been so timid about calling out antisemitism
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  Speaker 3: and condemning Islamists, extremist demonstrations and hate speech, the last
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  Speaker 3: thing we can afford is to risk importing more extremism,
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  Speaker 3: and only a weak government and a week society.
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  Speaker 2: Would be unwilling to bait these issues.
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  Speaker 3: During these difficult times, the fallout from the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: continues in bizarre ways.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: The radical protesters who have run hateful anti Israel propaganda
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  Speaker 3: for years and chanted anti Israeli slogans, are promising to
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  Speaker 3: keep up their protests even though there's a ceasefire in place.
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  Speaker 3: And Hammas is executing Palestinians.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously we see this ceasefire deal in Gaza, but already
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  Speaker 8: we see Israel continuing to kill the Palestinian people in Gaza,
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  Speaker 8: continuing to carry out massacres, continuing to deny the access
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  Speaker 8: of aid to the people of Gaza, which means there
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  Speaker 8: is no ability for people to reconstruct their homes, let
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  Speaker 8: alone still to find food in Gaza today.
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  Speaker 5: That is still happening.
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  Speaker 3: He's got the wrong end of the stick, there hasn't
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  Speaker 3: He is the harmas terrorists, you know, the River to
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  Speaker 3: the Sea mob who are terrorizing Gazans again, Lee gloating
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  Speaker 3: after a court victory knocking back a ban on protests
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  Speaker 3: near places of worship like synagogues and churches and the like.
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  Speaker 2: Now, just why if you have a problem with.
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  Speaker 3: The government of Israel you'd want to protest near a
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  Speaker 3: place of worship like a synagogue is not clear. It
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  Speaker 3: goes to show how the anti Israeli cause can veer
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  Speaker 3: towards anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 8: What means this did was try to use this whole
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  Speaker 8: affair is a pretext to ban protests about any cause.
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  Speaker 9: As I said, even if they had nothing.
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  Speaker 2: To do with places of worship.
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  Speaker 3: So for now the anti Israel protests are set to continue.
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  Speaker 3: I'm certain hummus Wi'll be happy.
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  Speaker 2: To hear it.
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  Speaker 3: And just consider this your government. The Albanesi Labor government
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  Speaker 3: currently recognizes Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: As a state, as a country.
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  Speaker 3: Now a warning, I'm going to show you that distressing
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  Speaker 3: vision again.
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  Speaker 5: But just as we.
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  Speaker 3: See the lawless, murderous terrorists of Humas back on the
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  Speaker 3: streets of Gaza, ruling the place in the only way
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  Speaker 3: they know how, we have to deal with the absurdity
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  Speaker 3: of the fact that our government recognizes Gaza as some
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  Speaker 3: kind of nation. It's absurd. In fact, it's more than that,
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  Speaker 3: it's obscene. And this insulting position was interrogated when the
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  Speaker 3: Attorney General's department fronted Senate estimates this week. The department
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  Speaker 3: agreed that under the Monte Verdeo Convention, there are four
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  Speaker 3: main criteria for a country to be recognized. It's going
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  Speaker 3: to have a permanent population, a defined territory within borders,
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  Speaker 3: a government, and the ability to engage in foreign relations.
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  Speaker 3: So Senat's a Claire Chandler pursued some common sense questions.
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  Speaker 10: Does Palestine have agreed borders which define its territories.
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  Speaker 5: I think that.
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  Speaker 11: I can't give legal advice on the application of those
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  Speaker 11: criteria to the committee.
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  Speaker 12: I think I would point the committee.
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  Speaker 10: Sorry, it's a physical question, not a legal question. Does
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  Speaker 10: Palestine have agreed borders which define its territory?
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  Speaker 13: I would refer that to defact.
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  Speaker 2: Really yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Let me save you the trouble of going to defat
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  Speaker 3: or the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Palestine does
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  Speaker 3: not have defined borders.
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  Speaker 2: This is just one of the reasons.
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  Speaker 3: That Palestine does not actually exist as a country.
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  Speaker 10: Does Palestine have a single government in effective control of
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  Speaker 10: its territory?
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  Speaker 12: Senator, I think this is in fact legal advice because
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  Speaker 12: it's the application of our criteria, so it would be
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  Speaker 12: giving you advice on legal considerations.
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  Speaker 10: I think those questions are in relation to factual matters,
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  Speaker 10: though not not legal advice you may or may not
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  Speaker 10: provided the government. The question is does Palestine have a
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  Speaker 10: greed borders and do they have a single government. I
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  Speaker 10: would have thought that was a pretty straightforward factual yes.
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  Speaker 2: Or no answer. Again, let me save you the trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Part of the Palestinian territories, the West Bank is run
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  Speaker 3: by the Palestinian Authority, effectively the Fatah faction, which was
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  Speaker 3: elected twenty years ago and has promised elections ever since and.
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  Speaker 2: Not delivered them.
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  Speaker 3: The other main part of the Palestinian territories is Gaza,
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  Speaker 3: of course, currently a terrorist wasteland run by Humas terrorists
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  Speaker 3: who were also elected almost twenty years ago, and as
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  Speaker 3: we've seen, they ruled now by executing their opponents. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but Australia recognizes this non existent state of Palestine, so
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  Speaker 3: presumably the government knows where to send their correspondence.
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  Speaker 10: What's the capital of Palestine?
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  Speaker 12: Senator? We can't comment on that.
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  Speaker 10: Because you don't know, or because you're legally unsure.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think it's not a matter for this department. Senator.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what the capital of Israel is?
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  Speaker 12: Senator, I don't think that's a matter within the Attorney
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  Speaker 12: General's responsibilities.
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  Speaker 3: It's too much, isn't it terrific? Questioning by Senator Chandler.
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  Speaker 3: Australia currently recognizes a non existent country, without borders, without
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  Speaker 3: a government, and without a capital. But our Middle East
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  Speaker 3: policy is so weak we can't even identify.
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  Speaker 2: The capital of Israel.
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  Speaker 3: It's Jerusalem, of course, But Australia is too weak to
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  Speaker 3: recognize that fact. We'd rather recognize the non existent state
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  Speaker 3: of Palestine. What a way to run your foreign policy.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Melbourne now and catch up with Shadow
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  Speaker 3: Education Minister Julian Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 3: Julian, congratulations on your change in portfolio. I want to
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  Speaker 3: get your thoughts on this immigration debate. So you used
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  Speaker 3: to work for Philip Ruddick. He's a mentor of yours.
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  Speaker 3: You succeeded him in your current seat. Is he right
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  Speaker 3: to say we should tone down the immigration debate or
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  Speaker 3: is Andrew Hasty right to say there are issues of
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  Speaker 3: social cohesion here that must be addressed.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 14: Philip Ruddick was reminding people about the strength of multiculturalism
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  Speaker 14: and in many respects, what Tony Abbott is doing with
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  Speaker 14: his new book is reminding us about Australia's three strands
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  Speaker 14: of our story are Indigenous heritage, our British foundation, and
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  Speaker 14: the important multicultural character. Multiculturalism means that people can come
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  Speaker 14: here from different countries and have a full place in
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  Speaker 14: Australia as long as they adopt our values.
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  Speaker 2: And abide by our laws.
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  Speaker 14: And I think in terms of where we are in
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  Speaker 14: relation to the migration debate. Obviously, we're having a look
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  Speaker 14: at where we should go there in terms of numbers,
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  Speaker 14: and what we're looking at doing is ensuring that we've
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  Speaker 14: got a migration system that meets the skill needs of
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  Speaker 14: Australia and that meets the broader needs of the program.
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  Speaker 14: But what that will look like eventually is the matter
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  Speaker 14: for my colleagues Johnny Dunningham and Paul scar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but of course Philip Raddick wants to support multiculturalism,
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  Speaker 3: so but as everybody else in this debate, I'm certain
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty also supports multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 2: But he's pointing.
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  Speaker 3: Out to these fractures in our society over the past
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  Speaker 3: two years. You're well aware of them, the sort of
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  Speaker 3: hate speech we've seen on our streets. Surely this gives
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  Speaker 3: us pause to think, especially when we're looking at bringing
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  Speaker 3: in people from Gaza and places.
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  Speaker 2: Where they may have been radicalized.
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  Speaker 3: We need to have an adult conversation about the risks
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  Speaker 3: of these things, don't we.
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  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, I've always thought that the City and Ship
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  Speaker 14: Pledge is something that we should encourage migrants, however they
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  Speaker 14: come to Australia to adopt, and the key fundamentals of
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  Speaker 14: the citizenship pledges that you have some loyalty to Australia,
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  Speaker 14: that you accept our laws and you'll abide by them,
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  Speaker 14: and that you respect the rights and liberties of other people.
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  Speaker 14: And that's been the problem in the last two years.
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  Speaker 14: There have been too many people who haven't respected the
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  Speaker 14: rights and liberties of other people, who accepted the laws
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  Speaker 14: of this country. And more importantly, we've seen governments who
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  Speaker 14: have just failed to enforce those laws.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a very strong point. I've been
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  Speaker 3: so critical of the alben Easy Labor government. They haven't
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  Speaker 3: been strong enough on these issues and that has given
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  Speaker 3: license to some of this hate speech over the past
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  Speaker 3: two years.
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  Speaker 2: Just on this.
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  Speaker 3: Matter, we learned from we learned from Tony Burke today
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  Speaker 3: that there are hundreds more guards and refugees likely to
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  Speaker 3: come into this country in coming days. Even though there's
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  Speaker 3: a cease fire in the Middle East at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: does the coalition support that?
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  Speaker 14: Well, this is the question mister burkhas to answer. Why
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  Speaker 14: when we've got a cease fi in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 14: a cease fi that we hope will lead to a
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  Speaker 14: lasting peace, are we still bringing people from the terrorist
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  Speaker 14: controlled guards of war zone. We know Labor has watched
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  Speaker 14: this cohort. We know on previous occasions they failed to
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  Speaker 14: do adequate security checks. We have to ask questions about
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  Speaker 14: why these people are coming, are the security checks in place,
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  Speaker 14: and in whose communities will they be living.
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  Speaker 3: When you talk about security checks, this goes to the
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  Speaker 3: point we're just talking about and were worried about bringing
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  Speaker 3: in people with extreme views.
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  Speaker 14: Well, we list Hamas as a terrorist organization in this country.
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  Speaker 5: It's a crime to be.
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  Speaker 14: A Hamas sympathizer, a member of Hamas. They're coming from
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  Speaker 14: a place that is controlled by Hamas, and so we
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  Speaker 14: need to be very careful about who it is that
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  Speaker 14: we're bringing to this country and make sure that there
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  Speaker 14: are proper checks that's been done.
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  Speaker 3: Jillian Lisa, thanks for joining us. They're joining us from
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  Speaker 3: a very blustery Melbourne by the looks of it. Let's
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  Speaker 3: cross to Adelaide now and catch up with the former
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  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Alexander down to get his thoughts on the
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  Speaker 3: latest developments in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 5: Good to talk to you again, Alexander.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody would expect a peace plan in the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: to be easy, but already seeing Hummas on the streets
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  Speaker 3: executing its opponents already the specter of possible Israeli action
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  Speaker 3: then to take action against Humas and maybe force them
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  Speaker 3: to hand over bodies and disarm. What are your thoughts
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  Speaker 3: on what we're likely to see here in coming days
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  Speaker 3: and weeks.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'd be cautiously optimistic that over their medium term
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  Speaker 7: the peace process will roll out. And the reason for
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  Speaker 7: that is that the key to it has been President
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  Speaker 7: Trump's relationship with the Arab leaders and the role that
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  Speaker 7: the Arab leaders, the Egyptians, the Saudis, the Amarats, the
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  Speaker 7: Katari and so on, as well as the Turks, the
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  Speaker 7: role that they have They've all played in bringing about
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  Speaker 7: this ceasefire. So that relationship will continue. The pressure will
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  Speaker 7: be on Hamas coming from the Arab states, and I
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  Speaker 7: think it will become pretty intense. So you could be
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  Speaker 7: hopeful that that will have some effect over time. As
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  Speaker 7: for the return of the bodies of the executed hostages,
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  Speaker 7: Hammas are making the point that they're having difficulty finding them.
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  Speaker 7: Who knows whether that's.
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  Speaker 2: True or not.
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  Speaker 7: Anybody who believes hamm Us will believe in the tooth theory.
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  Speaker 7: I'm afraid they are notoriously dishonest. And unreliable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But the critical thing is to disarm them
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  Speaker 3: and as soon as possible. It's part of the peace plan.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a matter of actually making it happen that's critical.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the president on that point.
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  Speaker 15: We want the weapons to be given up, sacrificed, and
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  Speaker 15: they've agreed to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Now they have to do it. And if they don't
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  Speaker 2: do it, we'll do it.
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  Speaker 15: If we won't need the US military, we will need it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously the US military doesn't want to get involved.
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  Speaker 7: No, presumably the Israelis would do it, or it's possible
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  Speaker 7: that there could be a peacekeeping force, as you know,
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  Speaker 7: the Indonesians of what would participate in it, and other
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  Speaker 7: presumably Muslim countries, possibly not Arab but take by way
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: of an example, Pakistani troops could be involved in providing
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: policing and law and order in Gaza and oversee the
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: disarmament of Hamas and other like groups. We'll have to
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: wait and see though that's not decided yet. That's part
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: of the plan, and that would be a good part
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: of it, to have some peacekeeping force in there in
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Gaza being predominantly if you like, a Muslim peacekeeping force
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: and overseen by the Arabs.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the immigration debate back here?
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Do you think that Philip Ruddick is right to say
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that Andrew Hasty shouldn't be out there saying that sometimes
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Australians could feel like strangers in their own home.
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: Well, that's a very familiar expression to me who knows
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: the UK very well, because that exact expression was used
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: a couple of months ago by Kirs Starmer, who was
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: complaining about the high I mean, he's the Prime Minister
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: of the UK complaining about high levels of immigration in
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: the UK and illegal immigration. I mean, I think you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: my father was the Minister for immigration, so I'm very
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: focused on the issue. You need to have an appropriate
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: level of immigration and taking into account the availability of
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: jobs and also facilities like health and education facilities Number
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: one and number two.
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: You've just got to be careful who you.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Take, making sure you take people who are prepared to
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: sign up to Australian values. I mean, multiculturalism is fine.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: Of course, everyone's in favor of multiculturalism, but that doesn't
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: mean you can come into Australia from say the Middle
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: East and then play out the disputes and the bitterness
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: and the divisions of the Middle East on the streets
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: of Australia. This is not the place to do that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: If you want, if you want to live out the
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: conflict of the Middle East, stay in the Middle East,
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: don't come here. So taking people from Gaza is about
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: counter and jurity. Given the education system of Gaza, I'd
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: be very very cautious about taking people from Gaza to
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: be honest with you.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a common sense approach, Alexander. Thanks for joining us
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: so I appreciate it. Alexander down to the Australia's longest
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: serving foreign minister, joining us live from adlaid. We're going
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: to take a break on the other side, We're going
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to dip into a bit of sport as well as
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: some other issues.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: But Mark Robinson Robbo joins me.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: The Pomps reckon that Australia is going to be a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: pushover in the Ashes. All talk, we hope.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: With all the soul searching going on in the Liberal Party,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: someone's pointed out that if just seven Liberals switched to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the Nationals, suddenly the Nationals will be the major party
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: in the coalition, and Nationals leader David little Proud has
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: told the Australian.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: You'll take any comers as long as they believe in
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the Nationals. So let's go to the Shadow Minister for
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Regional Development and Webster.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: She's at the Mildura show.
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: She's a National Good to talk to you again and
• 24:08
  Speaker 15: Mildura looking lovely. Would you welcome that some of your
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: Liberal colleagues joining your Nationals Party so that you guys
• 24:15
  Speaker 15: could run the show and have the Liberals as your
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: junior partner.
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: Look, I absolutely would welcome any newcomers to the National Party.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think that our strong.
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: Conservative base is something that Australia needs right now. And
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: I having said that, I also of course wish my
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: Liberal colleagues all the very best as they work through
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: all of these messinations. What they're standing for, what they
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: believe in, what their policies are going to be. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: know that being a Nationals I feel incredibly secure in
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: the place that we are. We're working and fighting very
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: hard to come up with policies such as we're our
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: position on net zero and hopefully we'll be able to
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: announced that very soon.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Well, the point is that the Nationals haven't lost seats
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: over many decades. Now, you guys have been holding onto
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: your seats. It's been the liberals who have been hemorrhaging.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: Well, I think the thing is that out in the
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: bush we spend a lot of time listening.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: To all of our people. I just did a serve.
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: I think I've mentioned it to you before. They had
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: five and a half thousand responses. That's a pretty big response, right,
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: And you know we've got a fair idea now of
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: where my electorate sits. I'm here to represent my electorates,
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: so you know that's my job.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: You're talking about your electorate.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Tell us about these plans to lower the basic speed
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: liver it in rural roads, on rural roads in Victoria.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Is this surely one hundred is slow enough.
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: This is actually a federal consultation going on right now,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: so this involves the whole nation. I am a polled
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: that the consultation is looking at. Oh, can we manage
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: to reduce fatalities by reducing speed limits on bad roads?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: No? Fix the damn roads. This is a.
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: Labor part party disaster. Whether it's Victoria, whether it's the
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: federal government. They are not putting enough money into roads
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: and they're leaving it to shires who are bleeding, particularly
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: out in the regions. They cannot afford to repair the
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: thousands of kilometers.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: That they share. This is terrible.
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: It's terrible for productivity because our trucks will have to
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: go slower, and you know it's not going to be
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: good for the country. Labour keep talking about productivity, but seriously,
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: I don't think their eyes on the ball at all.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think we need to start driving slower.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I think fixing the roads is a better option. We'll
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: leave you to enjoy the show. Just before I let
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: you go. Who won the footy in the Simill Dura
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: comp this year?
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: I'm going to be really embarrassed and not tell you
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: because I don't actually.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: And all my Mildeer people I know. I know that
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Brisbane won.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but whether it was Mildura or
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: red Cliff or or the mob down.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: There at Wentworth, they can't tell me. Sorry, I didn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: mean to Embarrassy and Webster.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Then.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I only asked because I once had a training rum up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I run up that way and Webster there, who's the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: member for Malley up in that neck of the woods.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: She'll be the first person she sees.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Now she's going to ask who won the local bloody
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: footy comp They take it pretty seriously up there, so
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: she'd want to be across all of that. We're going
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: to get onto the sport now because I'm going to
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: catch up with Mark Robinson. Of course, he's the former
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: chief footy writer at The Herald Son and JT host
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: of AFL three sixty. He joins us again, good to
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: talk to you, Robbo. We're going to get into some
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: summer sports in a moment, but first up on the footy.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: The trade story.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: To me, there's some been fascinating dealings going on, but
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to me, this massive story that you've got Zach Merritt,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: one of the best players in the competition, captain of Wessendon,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: tries to do a trade, wants to leave the club,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but they haven't done a deal. His club has forced
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: him to his contract. This is going to be tough
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: for him for the club, isn't it? Tell us how
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you think it's going to play.
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: Out, Well, I think it's going to play it terribly,
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: to be honest. Chris, by the way, don't ask me
• 28:18
  Speaker 16: won the Sun range of Footy League.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know either, but I do know about.
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: The AFL and we're in a situation. I'll put a
• 28:26
  Speaker 16: scenario to you, Chris Shavon McKenna. You go to Shavon
• 28:29
  Speaker 16: McKenna and say, hey, I want out, and these are
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: the reasons I want to go. I don't like what
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: I'm doing, I don't like the environment in I want
• 28:37
  Speaker 16: to go to Channel seven? Should say no or will
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: they say, well, what are we going to get back
• 28:43
  Speaker 16: for you?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Hawthorne said, right, We'll offer your.
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: Three first rounds for Zach Merrit Esson one at four.
• 28:50
  Speaker 16: Esson said no, we're not trading him, even though the
• 28:52
  Speaker 16: captain doesn't want to be there. And now Merit has
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: to go backspecting captain.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: How can he captain if.
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: He doesn't want to beat her and he doesn't want
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: to play there, And everyone says, oh, he's professionals, this
• 29:05
  Speaker 16: he's at Yeah, but underneath he doesn't want to be
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: at that football club.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is so tough, and I reckon.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: The trouble is that this will infect the whole team
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: because their former captain is there under sufferance. How do
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: they build up the writer spread of corps. It's going
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to be really problematic. The other big deal of the trade,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: of course, and the Swans gave up a motza for
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: at three first first round draft picks in the end,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: but they've got Charlie Kernhoe. The Swans love to get
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: a big name forward and bring him to Sydney.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: How do you reckon he'll go?
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: Oh, I'm not as bullish on Charlie Kerner as I was.
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: I had him as a number one player in the
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: conferary four years ago. I'm a bit concerned about his knee.
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: They did give up a motza. It's a nice word, motza.
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: They give go three first rounders and Will Haywood and
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: did a separate trade for Oli Florence. I mean they
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: have given up a lot for this fella and his
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: last two years haven't been fantastic. Before that, he was
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: the best forward in the competition. I think they've paid overs.
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: I think if asked for overs, I think Hawthorne offered anders.
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: But the proof will be in the porting. But I'm
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: not as bullish on this move as others.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Haywood's a big loss too.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Is a really classy Ford X had like player you
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: know from Bad Lady, went straight to the Swans as
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: a youngster. But he'll be pretty good for Carton. Let's
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: get onto the summer sport and there's a great fight
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: to start off the Ashes season, and that is to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: listen to a pom telling us they're going to roll.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: As ever listened abroad the former fastballer.
• 30:38
  Speaker 17: They're expected to win. They're brilliant at home, but they've
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: got question marks over their team and question marks over
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: the captain, the fitness. You wouldn't be outlandish in thinking, well,
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: it's actually not an opinion, it's a fact. It's probably
• 30:54
  Speaker 17: the worst Australian team since twenty ten.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Stuart Broad really believe it? Does He just
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: try to have a lead of us.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: He's going to fire the assies up, isn't it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: I think he's good for cricket, Stuart Broad.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He was good for cricket when he played. He was
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: an outstanding by.
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: I think he's Yeah, you can't buy that publicity alaudmouth
• 31:13
  Speaker 16: palm having to go the ass leaving and as usually
• 31:17
  Speaker 16: get him on the show Mate.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Love Cricket because he says a lot.
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: You know, he's not a boring cricket commentator. He actually
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: says stuff that thinks what did he say? He may
• 31:30
  Speaker 16: be right, this could be the worst team since twenty ten.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: We've got data for Pat Cummings.
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: It looks like we're going back to Marnus Labashane Sam
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: conscious looks like he's not going to get up for
• 31:42
  Speaker 16: the Test because he's not making runs.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: But you know what, there have been a very good
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: team for a.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Very long time.
• 31:49
  Speaker 16: His strength cricket tegue.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and one of the good things. Pat Cummins
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: looks like being injured. But so who do you have
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: to replace him? You have Boland, who's a great bowler.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: We do have trouble with.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: An opening batter.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: So let's have a look at Scotti Boland bowling to
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: our opening hopeful Constance.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Hit on the pad and he think.
• 32:16
  Speaker 12: Give it out, Scott poland get Sam Constance foot duck.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Constance last four bells.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Victorian Scottie Boland is no slouts to come
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: in as a bowler. But we're struggling for an opener,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: aren't we, Robo, Yeah we are.
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: I mean Constance didn't touch the ball. He faced four
• 32:38
  Speaker 16: balls in and he let the first three go and
• 32:41
  Speaker 16: he missed the fourth.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So he's clearly not in great need. He can't.
• 32:45
  Speaker 16: I'm no expert on cricket. But I've got an opinion
• 32:47
  Speaker 16: he hasn't made enough runs to deserve a spot. And
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: the other guy, Manus Lavishane, I think he got three
• 32:55
  Speaker 16: hundred in four knocks and when I looked before, he
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: passed fifty today. So I think man and Laborsham returns
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: to the crease. But he's got to stop being that
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: boring self preservation batsman that forced him get dropped after
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: the Lord's Test, the World Test Game, he was cut
• 33:15
  Speaker 16: out of the team because he became boring. He is
• 33:19
  Speaker 16: the best batsman in the world five years ago. Then
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: he became we called it lack of confidence. He became
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: this person who says, I'm I'm not going to make
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: shots because they're going to go out And he just
• 33:30
  Speaker 16: got himself tangled to the point where he went away.
• 33:34
  Speaker 16: He's had a mental refresh and he's gone back being
• 33:37
  Speaker 16: the stroke maker that made him a prolific run storer.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has knocked off that fourth century today,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: so he's looking good just quickly. Ariana Titmas a fantastic
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Olympic champion, only twenty five, but she's had enough.
• 33:52
  Speaker 16: Yeah, But I mean we've all seen this through the years.
• 33:55
  Speaker 16: We all think that swimmers are going to start at
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: fifteen and gain all the way to thirty five, which
• 33:59
  Speaker 16: a lot of the other professional sports people doing Australia.
• 34:02
  Speaker 16: But clearly swimming is such a demanding I'd say selfish
• 34:09
  Speaker 16: but certainly alonely bored because you're doing a lot of
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: work by yourself with the.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Head under the water.
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: And she's got to be saved the morning they get
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: up early in the morning.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: She's got to twenty five.
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: She leaves as one of Australia's greatest ever sports people
• 34:27
  Speaker 16: and good honor. And she's been such a not just
• 34:30
  Speaker 16: a competitor and a world class competitor, she's been a
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: really terrific sports person as well. She's a great ambassador
• 34:38
  Speaker 16: for a sport and for our country.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I reckon spot on, couldn't agree more. Robo Well said,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. We'll catch you next week.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Ariana tipmus the nation, salute.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: So going out on your terms.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Great ambassador for your sport and for the country and
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: obviously will continue to be so.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: In New Roles got to go to a break.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: On the other side, Sophie Ellsworth in London, Donald Trump
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: has snubbed the UK Prime Minister just as Nigel Farage
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: is surging in the polls, with Paul En Hanson's One
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Nation climbing in the polls here and the opposition in turmoil,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Liberal Senator James Pattison this week issued a start warning
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: to his colleagues about avoiding the temptation of populism and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: saying that a Farage light agenda might destroy the party's prospects.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: This is this is a nod, of course to the
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: UK Reform leader Nigel Farage, and it came when Britain.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: In Britain, his populism is actually working very well.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So three years out.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: From the next general election, polling suggests that Farage's party
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: would be on track for the largest Commons majority ever.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: So let's go to Sophie O'sworth News Court Europe correspondent
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: and Sky News contributor joining us from the UK.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: So for this polling, Farage just can for Forage can.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Continues to go up and up, which is astounding given
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: how far the off the election is and how he
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't really have a big party apparatus around him.
• 36:10
  Speaker 18: They're great to be did Chris, Look, it really is
• 36:12
  Speaker 18: amazing to see these results consistently coming in over the
• 36:17
  Speaker 18: last few weeks and months showing reform out in front
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: of Labor and the Conservatives by a country mile. Chris, Now,
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: they've been very big on their anti migration stance, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 18: there's been criticism that they haven't focused on enough of
• 36:32
  Speaker 18: their other policies. But the big concern over here these
• 36:37
  Speaker 18: results show is cost of living and the cost of
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: prices over here and also the migration issue, and Nigel
• 36:45
  Speaker 18: Frae continues to have that cut through that the other
• 36:48
  Speaker 18: two major parties don't have. But Chris to remind viewers,
• 36:52
  Speaker 18: he only has five MPs in the House of Commons now,
• 36:56
  Speaker 18: so this is really quite a remarkable result. But we
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: are quite a distance away from the next general election
• 37:03
  Speaker 18: in twenty twenty nine.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: We are, indeed, but gee, if he was to come
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: off that base and form a government, you know you'd
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: have a whole lot of new bees running the show. Well,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: let's we'll talk about that in about.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Three years time.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I want to go to the current Prime Minister of Kiyostarmer.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Of course, he headed off to Egypt earlier in the
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: week with so many other world leaders, and Donald Trump
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: of course was the main man there. But look at
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the way He's belittled Kios Starmer in this exchange.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: United Kingdom?
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: Where's United Kingdom?
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: Where's were friend?
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: Were?
• 37:38
  Speaker 16: Is everything going to do?
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Freak it?
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: That's kind I said you here, These people.
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: All came in like twenty twenty minute notice, and I
• 37:47
  Speaker 19: think it's fantastic, and we have so many others and
• 37:50
  Speaker 19: just so many.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Others, Sophie, it's pretty demeaning stuff. A lot of people
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: suggesting Trump did this deliberately to belittle Kyo Starmer.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: What's the reaction being in the UK?
• 38:03
  Speaker 18: Well, there's been mixed reaction here, Chris. Of course, people
• 38:06
  Speaker 18: mocking at Sakia for this exchange. But we must remind
• 38:10
  Speaker 18: you as the two of them, despite being very different,
• 38:14
  Speaker 18: having very different political views, get on extremely well. And
• 38:18
  Speaker 18: I would argue that Sekia Starmer has done very well
• 38:21
  Speaker 18: in managing this relationship with the President Trump, and this
• 38:26
  Speaker 18: was just unfortunately one of those awkward exchanges that you
• 38:29
  Speaker 18: have that's caught live on camera. But he's done very
• 38:33
  Speaker 18: well in the diplomatic relations I would argue, and this
• 38:36
  Speaker 18: is just one of those moments that he probably wishes
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: the camera wasn't on.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Sure, Indeed, now I want to come back to a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: story you've been covering in the UK and this is
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the nanny who was jailed over a social media post.
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  Speaker 5: Tell us about this.
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  Speaker 18: This is the remarkable story Chris.
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  Speaker 17: Lucy Connolly, forty.
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  Speaker 18: Two year old mother from Northampton here in the UK.
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  Speaker 18: She was jailed last year for a couple of years.
• 39:02
  Speaker 18: She served twelve months in jail for a pretty offensive
• 39:06
  Speaker 18: tweet she posted after those Southport murders where some young
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: girls were murdered at a Taylor Swift dance class. Horrific story.
• 39:15
  Speaker 18: She spoke to me at her Northampton home and she
• 39:18
  Speaker 18: deleted this tweet within hours, but subsequently she was sent
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: to court. She was arrested, sent to court and thrown
• 39:26
  Speaker 18: into jail and served a year behind bars. Now there's
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: been a lot of concern over this and the issues
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: with free speech. Now, while miss Connolly admitted it was
• 39:37
  Speaker 18: a pretty grotesque tweet that she made about the asylum
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: seekers living in hotels over here and saying that they
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: should be burnt down, she deleted that tweet very swiftly, Chris,
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: but it didn't matter in the eyes of the court
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: and she was jailed. So there is concern over some
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: of the policing and court system over here because there
• 39:56
  Speaker 18: was a labor counselor who said the throat should be
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: cut of protesters who were protesting about these Southport murders
• 40:04
  Speaker 18: and he was not jailed.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a matter of how even you apply the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: law there. But that's very heavy handed, mind you. It's
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: a shocking thing to suggest. It's almost incitement to violence.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: But hey, people think before your tweet would be my advice.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Sophie. Sophie, I was with Live
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: in the UK. There's more on that story if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: want to go to the New Court Papers. Sophie's got
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: more on that story, including an interview with Connolly. We've
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: got to get to a break on the other side
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: of that. Tim Blair and Mark Nixon will joined me
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and one of the things we'll look at is perhaps
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: one of the worst ever cases of Trump derangement syndrome.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Let's sort the world out now with Tim Blair and
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson. As you know, you can read Tim Blair's
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: columns in the News Court Papers, and Mark Nicholson, well
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: you know his cartoons those Please Explain cards for.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: One Nation and the movie is on the way.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I haven't got a call yet from my agent about
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: starring that movie.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, but off on you, Hey, I want to.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Get thoughts from both of you.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Let's start with you.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Mark on Olbow being away on holidays at the moment overseas.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Apparently he had to escape the country.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: He can't get overseas often enough.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't really the time for a holiday.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Apparently he's freshening up ready to meet the Donald in
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Washington next week.
• 41:23
  Speaker 20: Yeah, of course he is. Yeah, he's taking a well
• 41:26
  Speaker 20: deserved break from flying around and doing nothing to go
• 41:29
  Speaker 20: and fly around and do nothing, which is pretty apt
• 41:33
  Speaker 20: for our prime minister, to be honest, I'll tell you what.
• 41:35
  Speaker 20: Apparently he flew economy. By the way, apparently he flew economy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 20: Could you imagine if you were on that flight and
• 41:40
  Speaker 20: you saw Elbow come on in. If I was there,
• 41:42
  Speaker 20: I would be walking straight off the plane, because I
• 41:45
  Speaker 20: swear to God, if Albow walks in anything to do
• 41:47
  Speaker 20: with an economy, you just know it's going to.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Crash, or at least go backwards. It's going to be
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a disaster.
• 41:52
  Speaker 20: I'm off the plane.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I want to wind out where I'm going.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: So well, there was about enough virgin of letting dogs
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and cats onto their planes as of today, but now
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: they're letting prime.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Ministers on board. It's a bit rough.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Tim It strikes me that Albo and Labor were so
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: vicious in their criticism of Scott Morrison.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Being in Hawaii.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I thought it was not wise for Skymat to be
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: in Hawaii. But wouldn't you think a prime minister would
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: holiday in Australia spending his dollars in the Australian economy
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and just being around in case something cropped up?
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, and also when albow has defined his job as
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: being overseas, as Mark intimated, shouldn't a holiday from going
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: overseas involve staying at home? Don't you do the opposite
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: of your job when you want to have a break.
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: Albert's got it all messed up. I do love, though,
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: that he's flying economy, because this is what the Javier Malay,
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: the Argentinian leaders has forced a lot of world leaders
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: to do. He very conspicuously was flying economy in the
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: early days of his leadership, and he's making everyone follow
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: his example, which is good.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I reckon he wouldn't have gone too far out. But
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: if he's flying economy, I'll tell you what, Jodi might
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: cool the whole thing off.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: If this is all they're going to do.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Give me, I tell you what.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: If Alba hangs around long enough as Prime Minister, though,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: he might actually outlive Donald Trump as president and get
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to meet to President Kamala Harris. Apparently that's according at
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: least to Kamala herself.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Have a listen.
• 43:27
  Speaker 13: The fact that I was elected district attorney for two
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: terms as the first woman elected attorney general in the
• 43:32
  Speaker 13: state of California, run the second largest Department of Justice
• 43:36
  Speaker 13: in the United States, second only to the United States
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: Department of Justice.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I was the.
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: United States Senator, a second black woman elected in the
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: history of the United States senator.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And I was the first woman Vice President of the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: United States.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: Some people have actually said I was the most qualified
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: candidate ever to run for president.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: She's so good, Mark, just ask her.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: She's the only person in the States doesn't seem to
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: realize how hopeless she was.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, who are these people that told her that?
• 44:07
  Speaker 20: The only four names I can come up with that
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: told her that were Jim Bean, Jack Daniels, an old
• 44:14
  Speaker 20: sailor called Captain Morgan. And I know because they've said
• 44:17
  Speaker 20: the same things to me. They've said, March, you're qualified
• 44:20
  Speaker 20: to be president of the United States, and I'm I
• 44:21
  Speaker 20: absolutely captain.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I'm on.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Well, as Kristen Tate tells me every week, Tim, she
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: really hopes that Kamala does run. She really hopes that
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Kamala is the candidate next time round.
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: Oh absolutely, I mean a couple of points one drunk.
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: Two She's listened all these achievements as though she was
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: up against serious opposition. She's a Democrat running in California,
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: you know, for a start, she's got the tick next
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: to her name. And three, if she really wants to
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: talk about qualifications as a president, she was up against
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: a guy who was already elected president once and perhaps
• 44:54
  Speaker 9: even twice. So think about that, Kamala next time you're rating,
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: you know, ability to be a president.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Well, let's switch to the current president now now elbows
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: on a tropical holiday. Apparently we know Joe Biden used
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time at the beach. Have
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: a look at Donald Trump responding to questions about whether
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: he might like to hang out at the beach.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I'd like to be like Baden. I'd like to go
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: to the beach.
• 45:21
  Speaker 16: You know, late as thin as My legs are slightly
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: heavy and my arms are slightly larger.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: My buddy is a little bit larger than his.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure it would be appreciated on the beach,
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: but I'm not going to take a chance.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: He wants to.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: At least he's humble enough to spare us Trumpster and
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: the speeder as Mark.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Mate. He's so good, dude. We are watching honestly, we're
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: watching a Michael Jordan of Bully. That's the thing. He's
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: just so good.
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: He was asked a question about an Argentinian Argentina, and
• 45:55
  Speaker 20: he turned it into the beach and weaved it into Biden.
• 45:57
  Speaker 20: He had to go at Biden, called him weak and disgusting,
• 46:00
  Speaker 20: made it about himself, and then said self deprecatingly, I'm
• 46:02
  Speaker 20: too big to take the rig out on the beach,
• 46:04
  Speaker 20: but I've got bigger arms on more jack than.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: It's effortless. He's amazing, it's incredible.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Before I come to you, Tim, though, I want to
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: talk about a protest. They're organizing another big national protest
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: against Donald Trump.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: What do they call it? No King's Day? No King's Day.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: He's seen as a monarch rather than as a president.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: And one of the people pushing it is Kathy Griffin.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: You remember the comedian who was infamous for this image,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: remember early days of Trump. She had his decapitated head there,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and she was rightly and roundly criticized for that. Well,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I reckon she's probably got the worst case of Trump
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: derangement syndrome in the world. I know there's rich pickings there,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: but she's got to be as nutty as any of them.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Because have a listen to this.
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: People are calling this protest the No King's Day because
• 46:59
  Speaker 19: Trump thinks he's king, and you know he's not. He's
• 47:03
  Speaker 19: barely a president.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: In fact.
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: Guess what I'm going to say something that's going to
• 47:08
  Speaker 19: get me in trouble. I don't think he won in
• 47:10
  Speaker 19: a free and fair election. You heard me, I'm coming
• 47:13
  Speaker 19: up and saying it myself. I don't care if that
• 47:15
  Speaker 19: means I look crazy. Because Elon Musk, who's this other
• 47:20
  Speaker 19: Nazi guy running around town who zax and a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 19: of people think he's a genius, but he's not.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: He's like a fact genius.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I'd like to be a pretend genius and pretend billionaire
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: like Elon must But the good news is Tim she
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: doesn't care if she looks crazy.
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: Yes, and that's that's really helpful in her case. That's
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: really where you want to be. I guess it's good
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: that we're not getting a clip of an anti trumpet
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: who actually isn't killing a dog or torturing one, because
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: you know, she actually had a dog in her lap
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: there that was not yelping in pain, which if you
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: followed social media is a thing these days with the lefties.
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: But this no king's day. There are no kings. What
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: are they talking about. They've invented They've invented a straw king.
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: It's hilarious. And then railings this this monarch who doesn't exist,
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: and they won't have that damn king.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Let me tell.
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: You what are they They're idiots. I've got nothing else.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: They are idious, they are idiots.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: They've got amazing stamina because they've been on this for
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: about eight years, and for the first time in my life,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to I'm very disappointed that they have a
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: two term limit for presidents because if he went for
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: a third term, they'd be meltdown, would be entertained forever.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you next week. Mark Nicholson there
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and Tim Blair.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I just want to share some of your feedback from
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: what I had to say last night about those horrific
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: humas executions in Gaza. One viewer says the silence from
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: the left is deafening. Absolutely where are the protesters now?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: And Fiona says, Wow, this is so horrific and absolutely evil,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: while send he says why are there no protests against this?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: And Jacob says can't believe there are people sympathetic with
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: murderers in a civilized world that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks for joining me.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'll see you next week, Danika tomorrow at five o'clock,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: coming up next to Steve Price for Peter Quidlin.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Cheers