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Ken Rosenthal: Hal Steinbrenner's profit line, Red Sox acquire Sonny Gray + Free agent SP rankings · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's continue the conversation about hal Steinberner's comments with Ken
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Speaker 1: Rosenthal right now, Ken, what did you take from what
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Speaker 1: House said, including the always ever so popular oh no,
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Speaker 1: we're not that rich off this team comment?
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Speaker 2: I had a three word reaction, open the books.
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Speaker 3: No team is going to do that, except the Braves,
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Speaker 3: who are publicly traded. But when an owner makes such
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Speaker 3: a claim, and it's not only how who does that,
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Speaker 3: then the obvious question is, Okay, show us, prove it
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Speaker 3: to us, let us see what you are talking about,
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Speaker 3: and that never happens. Why does it never happen? Perhaps
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Speaker 3: because what the owner is saying cannot be reflected by
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Speaker 3: actual accounting practices. Now, even if the Yankees are spending
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Speaker 3: a ton of money, and they are spending a ton
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Speaker 3: of money on things besides major league pay, well we
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Speaker 3: all understand that. But there is the money they're taking
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Speaker 3: in not just from the ball club, but from the
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Speaker 3: Yes Network and from other properties that are related.
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Speaker 2: To the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: Then there is the potential resale values. So when owners
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Speaker 3: cry poor, if you're a thinking fan, I can't imagine
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Speaker 3: you would buy that without some evidence of it. And
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Speaker 3: we never get to see any evidence of any of this.
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Speaker 2: All we hear is the poor mouthing.
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Speaker 4: Do you think how is really just saying what the
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Speaker 4: other owners, the other minority owners that are not forward facing,
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Speaker 4: like hal is what they're saying. And he's going to
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Speaker 4: the public and being like, well, you know, guys, it's
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Speaker 4: not that great.
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Speaker 3: That's possible. Eric. I don't know the inner workings of
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Speaker 3: the Yankees ownership hierarchy, but if that's the case, put
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Speaker 3: on a better face publicly and don't say just parrot
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Speaker 3: what these guys are telling you and complaining about. You
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Speaker 3: have to understand as the owner of the Yankees, and
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Speaker 3: we all do respect that he does talk to the
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Speaker 3: media when so many other owners don't. But when you're
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Speaker 3: the owner of the Yankees and you say the things
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Speaker 3: you do again, you cannot expect people to simply take
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Speaker 3: that at face value. I'm sorry, there's no reason to
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Speaker 3: take it into face value unless we see some actual
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Speaker 3: evidence that what he is saying is happening is happening now,
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Speaker 3: even if and I don't believe this to be the case,
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Speaker 3: but even if the Yankees are operating at a loss
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Speaker 3: each year based strictly on revenues from the team and payroll,
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Speaker 3: going out and other operating expenses. You still have all
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Speaker 3: the other things I was talking about, the ancillary properties,
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Speaker 3: the potential retale value. And I know the owners always say,
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Speaker 3: and people from baseball always say, well, you don't run
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Speaker 3: your personal budget on the potential resale value of your house.
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Speaker 3: That's true, the average person doesn't. The average person also
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Speaker 3: isn't sitting on a multi billion dollar property.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you also don't win a ring from your
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Speaker 4: World series legendary history from your house either, So not
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Speaker 4: a not compare for me. But have you heard how
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Speaker 4: recently because I know he said it a few years ago,
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Speaker 4: but recently said say anything about not wanting to go
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Speaker 4: over that CBT because he doesn't want to keep giving
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Speaker 4: more money to the teams that aren't trying.
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Speaker 3: He hasn't said it quite like that. And like any team,
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Speaker 3: they do not want to go over the CBT repeatedly,
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Speaker 3: because of course, the penalties only increase to lose draft picks.
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Speaker 3: All of these things that come into place, and you
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Speaker 3: can understand that a team that resets often is doing
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Speaker 3: it in a very wise way to reset all the
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Speaker 3: penalties and kind of start over with the CBT. But
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Speaker 3: do the Yankees like giving money to teams like the Pirates,
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Speaker 3: the Marlins, other teams that don't necessarily reinvest it into
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Speaker 3: their payroll. I would think the Yankees do not like that. Now,
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Speaker 3: he's not going to say that publicly. One owner is
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Speaker 3: not going to rip another, particularly now as we get
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Speaker 3: closer to labor negotiations. But that is and has been
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Speaker 3: historically in this sport friction ever since revenue sharing came
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Speaker 3: into play. The big market small market thing is there.
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Speaker 3: It's always going to be there. The owners would like
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Speaker 3: to believe that if you put in a cap and
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Speaker 3: a floor system that it would solve the problem. As
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Speaker 3: I've said before, I'm not convinced of that. To me,
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Speaker 3: the current system can be tweaked to ensure that the
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Speaker 3: money is better spent and that perhaps those teams get
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Speaker 3: even more money and more draft picks, whatever it would
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Speaker 3: take to make them more competitive, not even the playing
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Speaker 3: field necessarily. You can't do that, not in this sport,
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Speaker 3: which is driven by local revenue, but to make it
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Speaker 3: more balanced.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, mine's more of a hypothetical. Can if George was
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Speaker 5: still running the team, and George was still alive, how
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Speaker 5: much do you think he would enjoy kind of competing
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Speaker 5: with what the Dodgers are doing right now from a
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Speaker 5: payroll perspective, and.
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Speaker 3: He would definitely enjoy it. Kevin, Now, it's an unfair
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Speaker 3: question in many ways, because he's not alive. Obviously, times
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Speaker 3: have changed. The money is greater than even it was
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Speaker 3: when he was on, even in a relative sense. But
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Speaker 3: hal Steinbrenner, perhaps because of what Eric was saying before
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Speaker 3: the obligation to other owners in his group, has a
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Speaker 3: different approach than George did, and that's fine. George, in
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Speaker 3: many ways was not a great owner. He bullied people,
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Speaker 3: he treated people badly, he was suspended. They're all kinds
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Speaker 1: comparison for me is laughable. But we'll see what happens
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Speaker 1: with George and or excuse me with hol and with
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Speaker 1: the Yankees this offseason. Now let's get to the Red Sox,
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Speaker 1: the team of the day for acquiring Sonny Gray, and
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Speaker 1: very interesting how high and Bloom is now running the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals and making a deal with the team that he
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Speaker 1: used to run.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this trade?
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Speaker 3: This was quite interesting and really it's the second big
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Speaker 3: surprise of the week. Simeon for Nimo was one. This
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Speaker 3: one is another because my expectation from the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: was that they were going to go to a guy
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Speaker 3: they believe would slot in with some certainty as a
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Speaker 3: number two starter in a postseason series behind Garrett Crochet.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure Sonny Gray, at thirty six years old,
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Speaker 3: is that anymore. Now, Sonny Gray has some things to
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Speaker 3: definitely recommend him. Strikeout to walk rate last year fourth
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Speaker 3: best in the major leagues. You see the numbers right there.
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Speaker 3: Schoobl was best. Crochet of the Red Sox next Wu
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Speaker 3: and then Sonny Gray even ahead of Paul Skeens two
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Speaker 3: hundred and one strikeouts. Second straight two hundred strikeout campaign
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Speaker 3: for Gray. The Red Sox obviously of the swing and
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Speaker 3: miss he threw one hundred and eighty innings. I don't
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Speaker 3: know that he's an ace or even a number two anymore,
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Speaker 3: but he's still a quality major league pitcher. You run
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Speaker 3: the risk of the age coming into play in his
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Speaker 3: age thirty six season, but certainly he has not showed
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Speaker 3: signs of slowing down yet and he keeps himself in
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Speaker 3: excellent shape. That all said, I thought the Cardinals did well.
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Speaker 3: They did well to get Richard Fitz who's a major
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Speaker 3: league pitcher, and Clark, who is one of the Red
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Speaker 3: Sox or had been one of the Red Sox top prospects.
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Speaker 3: They send the Red Sox twenty million of the forty
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Speaker 3: one million that Gray is owed with his restructured contract,
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Speaker 3: so the Red Sox obligation will be twenty one million.
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Speaker 3: That's a reasonable number on a one year deal for sure.
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Speaker 3: But the Cardinals get players, they get financial relief, and
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Speaker 3: because this deal was front loaded Gray's three years, seventy
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Speaker 3: five million dollar deal, they got the value out of
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Speaker 3: Gray in those first two years and now the big
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Speaker 3: money has to go be paid by the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: in with the Cardinals. So I thought the Cardinals did well.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure the Red Sox did well enough, but
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Speaker 3: maybe they see this differently. Maybe they say, you know what,
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Speaker 3: we're not give it one hundred and fifty million to
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Speaker 3: Dylan Ce's or fromber Valdez or range of Swarz or
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Speaker 3: am I no, let's do one year with Sonny Gray,
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Speaker 3: do some other things to upgrade offensively, maybe get another
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Speaker 3: lesser starter as well. I don't know what they're thinking exactly,
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Speaker 3: but it was an interesting choice to me, the one
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Speaker 3: that they made.
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Speaker 4: Can you glean anything else from it? Because you kind
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Speaker 4: of just hit on it. Breslo said, Hey, we want
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Speaker 4: to get that one. A. We're not looking at threes,
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Speaker 4: fours and fives, but they're spending the exact same, essentially,
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Speaker 4: the exact same money that they spent on Walker Bueller.
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Speaker 4: So can we glean the fact that unless there's a
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Speaker 4: free agent out there that is in the Sonny Gray
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Speaker 4: category and will accept twenty or less million a year,
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Speaker 4: the Red Sox are done hunting for pictures.
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Speaker 3: I never want to rule anything out, Eric, because at
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Speaker 3: this time, he ye, things happen that you don't expect.
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Speaker 3: We've seen that already this offseason, and it's still early,
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Speaker 3: and we've seen surprises. But it doesn't seem to me
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Speaker 3: that that's the direction they want to go. They've got
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Speaker 3: other options to remember, They've got the two kids coming
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Speaker 3: back totally and early that were so good last year
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Speaker 3: for them. They've got Brian Beao, They've got Crochet of course,
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Speaker 3: they have a number of different options, and maybe even
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Speaker 3: Patrick Sandoval comes into play this year. So I don't
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Speaker 3: know that they're done. I can see this being their
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Speaker 3: big pitching move and then investing the rest in offense,
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Speaker 3: but it's hard to know for sure what they're thinking.
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Speaker 4: All Right, can we roll out JT Real Muto to
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Speaker 4: the Red Sox? Can we can? I mean, it's hard
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Speaker 4: for me to see it, especially with the fact that
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Speaker 4: you're probably looking at fifteen million a year and it
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Speaker 4: would be kind of a platoon slash Narvaias and Real
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Speaker 4: Muto roll Can we roll that out? Even though we
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Speaker 4: just saw it was just written that there's interest the
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Speaker 4: old interest work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote it, And I don't write stories about
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Speaker 3: teams being interested in players lightly, because as the story mentions,
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Speaker 3: every team is interested in every player for the most
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Speaker 3: part at this time of year. But I heard this
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Speaker 3: yesterday from a couple of different places. Now I didn't
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Speaker 3: hear it strong enough to think that it's likely or
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Speaker 3: anything like that. But I thought it was interesting because JT.
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Speaker 3: Real Muto, who is going to be entering his age
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Speaker 3: thirty five season, is a fit for the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: in a certain respect. If you pair him with Nevius,
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Speaker 3: who did struggle at the end of last year, albeit
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Speaker 3: with a knee injury. You pair him with Nevvias, you
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Speaker 3: dhm as well, and you resign Alex Bregman or another bat.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's Pete Alonzo.
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Speaker 3: That's two bats instead of one, and it just gives
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Speaker 3: you a little bit more oomph. Now, JT. Real Muto
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Speaker 3: is still one of the most athletic, if not the
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Speaker 3: most athletic catchers in the game. He's a guy that
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Speaker 3: any team would want. Now, is this the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: top priority. No, I don't believe it is. But could
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Speaker 3: it be something that develops in a certain scenario. I
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Speaker 3: don't see why not. He's a right handed bat. They
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Speaker 3: need that, he's a leader, they need that, and he
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Speaker 3: is still a highly regarded catcher. But when you look
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Speaker 3: at his market, of course, the expectation within the industry
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Speaker 3: and my expectation as well, is that when we signed
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Speaker 3: with the Philadelphia Phillies. One of the points of writing
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Speaker 3: something like this, and we listed some other teams as well,
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Speaker 3: is to show that it's not just the Phillies. It's
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Speaker 3: never just one team looking at these guys, and teams
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Speaker 3: will make mistakes, in my opinion, when they think, ah,
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Speaker 3: he has no market, we're good. It's too often a
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Speaker 3: free agency you can get blindsided when you think that way.
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Speaker 3: Do I think this is likely with real Moto to Boston. No,
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Speaker 3: but it's certainly as interesting to me that it would
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Speaker 3: at least be a possibility for them in the many,
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Speaker 3: many possibilities that they are considering.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned two names. I want to ask you
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Speaker 5: Bregman Alonzo, which is a better fit. To me, Bregman
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Speaker 5: kind of going to Boston just kind of screams perfect
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Speaker 5: fit for Boston. I know they have some young internal
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Speaker 5: candidates that could play third base, but I feel like
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Speaker 5: Bregman was the exact guy that that team needed.
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Speaker 3: I agree with that, Kevin, and to me, Bregman is
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Speaker 3: a difference maker in so many ways. Obviously the bat,
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Speaker 3: that's one thing, the defense really good that's another thing.
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Speaker 3: And also that intangible that he brings to a team.
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Speaker 3: And we've seen it now and we've seen it documented.
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Speaker 3: He helps other players improve, he makes suggestions even to pitchers,
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Speaker 3: and he is a total difference maker in the clubhouse. Now,
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Speaker 3: that's not why you sign a guy. If he's not
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Speaker 3: a good enough player, you don't. But Bregman, to me,
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Speaker 3: is still the best fit. I know They've got Meyer
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Speaker 3: and they want to find a position for him, but
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Speaker 3: you put Bregman in third base, you worry about the
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Speaker 3: rest later. He's a better fit than Alonzo for me
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Speaker 3: one because of the defensive ability too, because you have
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Speaker 3: Tristan Cassis. First base is an easier position to fill
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Speaker 3: long term if.
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Speaker 2: Cassis is not the answer.
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Speaker 3: So while Anzo would be a good fit as well
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Speaker 3: if they lost Bregman, Bregmant to me still is the
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Speaker 3: guy that they should be targeting first and foremost, and
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Speaker 3: I expect that they will all right.
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Speaker 4: Now that Sonny Gray's gone Aeronato and Wilson Contreras. Is
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Speaker 4: it more likely less likely because of how much the
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Speaker 4: money was taken, or is this agenda number one and
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Speaker 4: two to get possibly get rid of Wilson Contreras and
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Speaker 4: Aeronauta Arnatto.
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Speaker 3: For sure, he's gonna go in my expectation Wilson Contreras
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Speaker 3: is a little bit different. He has said he wants
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Speaker 3: to stay. Now will he want to stay once they
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Speaker 3: start trading not only those guys, but Brendan Donovan and
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Speaker 3: potentially Laura's nutbar Nolan Gorman. That's a different question, and
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Speaker 3: maybe at that point Wilson Contrera says, you know what
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Speaker 3: it can go to. It's kind of the same logic,
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Speaker 3: different circumstance, but we've written this. Dan Hayes of The
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Speaker 3: Athletic has that if the Twins keep taking it apart,
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Speaker 3: if they trade Joe, Ryan, Trey, Pablo Lopez, then Byron
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Speaker 3: Buckston would say, what am I doing here?
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Speaker 2: I can get traded too.
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Speaker 3: I'll be waiving my no trade clause if you find
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Speaker 3: the right fit. I expect that if the Cardinals completely
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Speaker 3: tear it up, as it appears they will do to
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Speaker 3: a certain extent, then maybe Contreras reconsiders.
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Speaker 1: am I has this quote from one NL evaluator. He's
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Speaker 1: not a real physical guy, but he's a super athlete.
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Speaker 2: Uh, Number one for me?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if there's even a comp to Yamamoto,
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Speaker 5: he has to be one on that list. I mean
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Speaker 5: I don't know much about him. I haven't seen him pitch.
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Speaker 5: putting that out out of their mouth that he is
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Speaker 5: a close to Yamamoto, he has to be number one
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Speaker 5: party last year and year two, and you know he's
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Speaker 5: in that a handful of best pitchers in baseball. So
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Speaker 5: if that guy's even remotely close to him, he's got
18:31
Speaker 5: to be number one on this list.
18:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: There's just too much inconsistencies and questions about about Cease
18:39
Speaker 4: and Framber ahead of him. If this is the evaluation,
18:42
Speaker 4: I don't I don't have obviously don't have the evaluations.
18:46
Speaker 4: I think the thing with Cese is he's gonna be
18:51
Speaker 4: he's gonna make his starts thirty two starts. I think
18:55
Speaker 4: in five consecutive years, five straight years strikeouts, the strike
19:00
Speaker 4: asks for nine are just tremendous for Sease, I think
19:04
Speaker 4: it's an under I think everyone sees the numbers of
19:06
Speaker 4: him giving up too many runs and I think there's
19:09
Speaker 4: a negative there. But I think the the values on
19:13
Speaker 4: the mound for him, same with Framberg makes his starts.
19:16
Speaker 4: But if Ami can be what they're saying he is,
19:21
Speaker 4: and it's always a question in Japan that transition over here,
19:25
Speaker 4: but he can he strikes dudes out more than one
19:27
Speaker 4: per nine. I I think Amaia's got to be number one.
19:33
Speaker 4: I mean, you could be looking at nobody getting more
19:35
Speaker 4: than him. Let's put it that way.
19:41
Speaker 5: Hey, there's a guy on this list. Though to Scott,
19:43
Speaker 5: you may have, you may have the quote, but I
19:46
Speaker 5: think talking about Ranger Schwarz being boring to me facing
19:50
Speaker 5: a lot of these guys, he was one of the
19:51
Speaker 5: more difficult guys to face. He's not overpowering, you're not
19:55
Speaker 5: intimidating getting to him. And Kratzy knows this term that
19:58
Speaker 5: we use. It's a comfortable for four. But his ability
20:01
Speaker 5: to pitch and change speeds and locate. He's an absolute
20:05
Speaker 5: nightmare to face.
20:08
Speaker 2: So how would you guys rank Maybe because.
20:11
Speaker 5: Because maybe because he doesn't get big strikeout numbers, but
20:14
Speaker 5: he gets a ton of weak contact. It's not sexy,
20:18
Speaker 5: but this guy takes the ball. He's gonna go deep
20:21
Speaker 5: in games. He can be very efficient. Yeah, I mean
20:24
Speaker 5: I would have to like I would. I'd like to
20:27
Speaker 5: hear Cratzy's list first. Obviously for me, someone that hasn't
20:31
Speaker 5: pitched in the big leagues coming from Japan, I know
20:33
Speaker 5: we've seen pitchers come over and be successful. I always
20:36
Speaker 5: get a little hesitant until I see him pitch in
20:38
Speaker 5: the big leagues. So my rankings may be a little
20:40
Speaker 5: bit different. But if Cratsey wants to go, I'll follow.
20:45
Speaker 4: I won't even put Amye on the list, just just
20:48
Speaker 4: for the guys that played in the big leagues last year.
20:51
Speaker 4: To me, I go, I go Dylan Cees because there's
20:55
Speaker 4: a scarier upside if he was if he was left handed,
21:01
Speaker 4: I think it would be a slam dunk. But I
21:03
Speaker 4: like Rain, I like Ranger over Framber. I know that
21:06
Speaker 4: sounds crazy, but I'm gonna save some of my money
21:10
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna get a guy who I get it.
21:13
Speaker 4: He might not make, he might not make twenty five
21:16
Speaker 4: starts on the year. But I think there's plenty of
21:18
Speaker 4: teams that have the money to put out there. The
21:20
Speaker 4: starts that you're gonna get, I think are going to
21:23
Speaker 4: give you. You're gonna get more bang for your buck. I'm
21:26
Speaker 4: just fearful of fearful of some of the things that
21:29
Speaker 4: I saw from Framber. But that is it's really against
21:34
Speaker 4: my it's really against my code to pick somebody who
21:36
Speaker 4: makes who makes twenty two to twenty five starts a
21:39
Speaker 4: year over somebody who who makes all thirty two of
21:43
Speaker 4: his starts. And I feel like Framber does that, and
21:46
Speaker 4: Dylan Ceese does that, and I actually have Dylan Cease
21:49
Speaker 4: above because I think somebody can get with him and
21:52
Speaker 4: figure this out.
21:54
Speaker 2: And Framber third, So you have Ranger Cease.
21:59
Speaker 4: No Framber, Ranger rain Cease, Ranger, Framber, And who I
22:05
Speaker 4: would want who the best is that's that's that's the
22:09
Speaker 4: line that I would want. That's who I would want
22:11
Speaker 4: in that way.
22:12
Speaker 1: Wait, hold up, hold up, So this is free agent list.
22:15
Speaker 1: If let's say money is the same for all of
22:17
Speaker 1: these guys who do you want.
22:19
Speaker 2: So ranked ranked one through four.
22:22
Speaker 1: Of these guys one through four of who you would
22:25
Speaker 1: want that. That's the exercise that I'm asking here, one
22:28
Speaker 1: through four, who do you want on your team? On
22:31
Speaker 1: a five year contract? They're all getting about the same money.
22:34
Speaker 1: For me, am I as first.
22:36
Speaker 2: What about you?
22:37
Speaker 4: If they're getting all the same money one hundred percent,
22:40
Speaker 4: I'm going to my first Okay, then I'm going. Then
22:44
Speaker 4: I'm going framber I mean, I think I think they
22:47
Speaker 4: have the list. I think they have the list, and
22:49
Speaker 4: now I got to pull the list back up, but
22:50
Speaker 4: I think.
22:51
Speaker 2: They have framber cees my ranger.
22:54
Speaker 1: And the problem I have is that many of the
22:56
Speaker 1: scouts were like, oh, I could change this list each day,
22:59
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I can rank this list.
23:02
Speaker 5: I think there's one I think there's one name we're
23:04
Speaker 5: missing on that list too, And I think arguably he
23:07
Speaker 5: has the best stuff, and I think that's Michael King.
23:09
Speaker 5: I think there's injury history, recentcy bias with him, but
23:14
Speaker 5: when you I've only faced him one time, but the
23:16
Speaker 5: stuff I see on TV, it looks like he's playing
23:19
Speaker 5: withootball with this stuff, and I think he was showing
23:22
Speaker 5: the world the type of Pitcher he was before he
23:24
Speaker 5: got hurt. I mean, I would make a case that
23:26
Speaker 5: he could be even number one on my list.
23:29
Speaker 1: I need you guys to rank it though, whether it's
23:30
Speaker 1: one through four, one through five. If you want to
23:32
Speaker 1: include King Kratz first, then KP will follow to finish.
23:36
Speaker 4: This, because it's all everyone's getting to save money. Then
23:39
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, am I Framber Ranger sees my list?
23:45
Speaker 4: The original list was because of was because I'm paying
23:49
Speaker 4: less for Ranger. Rangers is not going to get as much.
23:52
Speaker 4: But that's why I liked him. That's why I had
23:54
Speaker 4: him higher.
23:55
Speaker 2: But okay, that's fine, that makes sense.
23:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two different spears here, because you do
24:01
Speaker 1: have to factor in money when you're talking about real life.
24:03
Speaker 1: This article was just trying to rank the pictures in
24:06
Speaker 1: terms of who's best to who's not as good, right
24:09
Speaker 1: one through four or one through five. And that's where
24:12
Speaker 1: I had the issue with am I getting slighted based
24:14
Speaker 1: on a recent track record of a picture of his
24:17
Speaker 1: ilk coming over from Japan.
24:20
Speaker 2: KP.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna keep the same list. I'm just gonna
24:25
Speaker 5: slide Michael King in the third spot there because I
24:28
Speaker 5: just think his his stuff is so good and the
24:31
Speaker 5: upside is so great with him, I'd slide him in
24:33
Speaker 5: in front of Ranger.
24:35
Speaker 2: So lay it out for me.
24:37
Speaker 1: Who's one Amaya?
24:41
Speaker 5: Wait? Is Amaya? What's his name?
24:42
Speaker 3: Yeah?
24:43
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, Maya Maldas King. Ranger sees