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Louisiana girl taken from school bus by 47-year-old male 'family friend' for 'love' odyssey: Report · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Well happening now. Several law
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Speaker 1: enforcement agencies are searching for a teen missing out of
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Speaker 1: Saint Landry Parish. This sends Laura Levine joins us Live
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Speaker 1: in the studio with more details. It's a major man
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Speaker 1: hunt underway for a port Berry teen who was last
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Speaker 1: seen on Thursday and is believed to have run away
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Speaker 1: with a forty seven year old man. The authorities say
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old a Domina Spell of port Berry was
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Speaker 1: last seen Thursday morning around seven getting off a school
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Speaker 1: bus at the port Berry High School. Spell is described
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Speaker 1: as a white female, standing five foot tall inches with long,
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Speaker 1: light brown hair and blue hazel eyes. Chief Dion Boudreau
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Speaker 1: says she may have changed her appearance to conceal her identity.
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Speaker 1: Now police believe she is with this man, forty seven
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Speaker 1: year old Corey Shane Disottel, also of port Berry. Multiple agencies,
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Speaker 1: including port Berry Police, the Federal Borough of Investigations, the
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Speaker 1: United States Marshall Service, Louisiana State Police, and Saint Lazie
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Speaker 1: Paris Sheriff's Office have come together to find Spell again.
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Speaker 1: Authorities believe they may be traveling in a silver two
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Speaker 1: thousand and three Honda Civic Police are asking the public,
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Speaker 1: friends and classmates of Domina to come forward with any
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Speaker 1: information or tips, no matter how significant they may or
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Speaker 1: may not seem. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Those are our friends
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Speaker 1: at k l f YTV. A little Louisiana girl goes
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Speaker 1: missing and then to the shock of friends and family,
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Speaker 1: they put the pieces together and wanderer has she disappeared
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Speaker 1: with a forty seven year old father who happened to
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Speaker 1: be a friend of the family. With me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. First to Rob Molinski, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative report, tell me about the disappearance of Domiana's spell.
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Speaker 1: How did it happen? Well, Nancy, she gets on the
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Speaker 1: bus and goes to school and the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: she is seen crossing the street and getting into a
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Speaker 1: strange man's car. And this area of Louisiana, I just
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Speaker 1: want to point this out for people that don't know
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Speaker 1: where this is. This is about an hour west of
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Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, about two hours northwest of New Orleans and
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Speaker 1: very close to the ey Tent. So when you get
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Speaker 1: into a car in this area of the country. Could
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Speaker 1: you could be anywhere? You could go all the way
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Speaker 1: to Florida and all the way to California the other way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm taking a close look at this little girl and
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Speaker 1: she looks a lot to me like a very young
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Speaker 1: Lisa Lobe. She's got the cute little glasses that she's wearing,
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Speaker 1: long chestnut brown hair back off of her face. Beautiful, beautiful,
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Speaker 1: perfect smile. I'm talking about a little girl, Domiana Spell
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Speaker 1: who disappears. Now you know what is interesting and I
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Speaker 1: want to go to John Cardillo, former NYPD special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us today along with Ashley Wilcott, Kathleen Murphy, and
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. John done a ton of work with National
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Speaker 1: Center for Missing Exploited Children. Very close to my heart. John,
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Speaker 1: I was speaking the other day to Mark Class, our friend,
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Speaker 1: and he hit me it was like a ton of bricks.
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Speaker 1: Over one third of child abductions take place at a
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Speaker 1: bus route going to the school bus leaving the school bus.
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Speaker 1: A lot to do with school buses and school routes
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Speaker 1: getting to school. And here is another example that is
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Speaker 1: a huge number. In fact, it's almost thirty five percent
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Speaker 1: of child abductions take place in and around school bus stops.
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Speaker 1: John Yeah, they did well. It's an opportunistic environment, right,
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Speaker 1: that's an opportunistic scene. Let me also say a few
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Speaker 1: people have done as much as Mark Class to raise
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Speaker 1: awareness and to really take make a dent in these offenders.
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Speaker 1: The National Center from Missing and Exploited Children, thankfully, when
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Speaker 1: they began and they were putting kids on milk carties, man, see,
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Speaker 1: the recovery rate of children was only about four percent.
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Speaker 1: You know when you say, actually, I'm gonna throw this
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Speaker 1: to Kathleen Murphy, family law and divorce lawyer, Kathleen john
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Speaker 1: A is right. It's an opportunistic crime. And even though
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Speaker 1: this little girl walked across the street on her own
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Speaker 1: two legs, that does not mean this is not a crime.
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Speaker 1: Taking a little team schoolgirl out of her Louisiana Parish
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Speaker 1: on her way to school bus. Whether she got into
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Speaker 1: the car willingly, it doesn't matter. That's still a crime.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Absolutely, she's a child. And I love that
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Speaker 1: you are putting that out there because it's so easy
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Speaker 1: to blame this fifteen year old for making choices to
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Speaker 1: do this. She was manipulated by an adult, and we
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Speaker 1: have to draw that line very clearly. This little girl
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Speaker 1: goes missing right after school. Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer, anchor
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Speaker 1: you can find her Ashley Wilcott dot com. When Cardillo
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Speaker 1: says an opportunistic crime, nearly forty percent of child abductions
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Speaker 1: take place in and around a school bus stop. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? An opportunistic crime? It means that that's
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Speaker 1: where they have the opportunity to find their victim. When
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Speaker 1: you have a fifteen year old and a forty seven
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Speaker 1: year old disappear, guess what. She's the victim, He's the perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to find a young child is going
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Speaker 1: to go somewhere where they're getting off the school bus.
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Speaker 1: It's just like if you look at maps that show
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Speaker 1: where sexual perpetrators are for young kids, guess what. They
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Speaker 1: often live as close as they can to a school. Opportunistic, opportunistic.
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Speaker 1: They know the child is getting on and off the
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Speaker 1: school bus. They know that typically the parent is not there.
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Speaker 1: They know that they will be lost in a sea
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Speaker 1: of cars and yellow school buses. I will never forget,
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it's what I just put in
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Speaker 1: my book that I just turned in. Don't be a victim.
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Speaker 1: When my makeup artist shays on we were almost ready
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Speaker 1: to go live on the show, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: started at eight o'clock every week night at HLM. She
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Speaker 1: gets a call her son Arlie is missing. And it
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Speaker 1: happened in and around a school bus at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, where there's a sea of thousands of children.
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Speaker 1: There's tons of school buses in line and trying to
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Speaker 1: pull out in traffic. You're trying not to let any
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Speaker 1: children get run over. And in the midst of all
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Speaker 1: of that, Arlie goes missing. And I can't tell you
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Speaker 1: what was running through my mind, trying to make her
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Speaker 1: feel better, trying to get her out of the building,
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Speaker 1: trying to get her home to Arlie, I had to
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Speaker 1: go on the air. It was I will never forget it.
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Speaker 1: As it turns out, Arlie was okay, but it's a big,
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Speaker 1: long story about how he goes missing at school bus time.
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Speaker 1: In this case, a little teen girl in her parish
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Speaker 1: there in Louisiana, not too far from Baton Rouge, disappears
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Speaker 1: in the mad rush of after school getting on the bus.
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Speaker 1: Did she go willingly? Did she go with a man
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Speaker 1: we believe to be Corey Shane Disotel, a family friend.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. A school called my mom
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Speaker 1: when she didn't show up to home room. So that's
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Speaker 1: when we found out, and I think the police were
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Speaker 1: contacted right after the school contact with my mom. Domiana
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Speaker 1: Spell was last seen getting off a school bus at
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Speaker 1: Port Berry High School on Thursday at seven am. She
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Speaker 1: is believed to be traveling with forty seven year old
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Speaker 1: Corey Dissotel in its silver two thousand and three Honda Civic.
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Speaker 1: I spoke to Dommi and as sisters, who said when
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Speaker 1: they found out their sister was missing, they immediately thought
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Speaker 1: about Dissattel. Had a feeling she had ran away with them.
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Speaker 1: What's that? From what my family is so many they
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Speaker 1: have had notes that they had been planning on running
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Speaker 1: away somewhere in Mississippi. The sisters tell me Dommi Anda
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Speaker 1: had history with a man. She was having a secret
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Speaker 1: conversation through like letters and her a cell phone that
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Speaker 1: nobody knew she had until she was found with it.
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Speaker 1: They say they believed their fifteen year old sister was
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Speaker 1: manipulated by forty seven year old Dissotel prior to them
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Speaker 1: running away together. He did, you know, have her believing
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Speaker 1: that he was in love with her and wanted to
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Speaker 1: be with her. But despite everything that's happened, they just
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Speaker 1: want their sister back in their arms. If she is
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Speaker 1: watching it, just know that we want you home no
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Speaker 1: matter where. Would really care and we're on your side
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Speaker 1: like we just want her safe at home. Spells family
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Speaker 1: spent the last week handing out flyers searching for the
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Speaker 1: team after she left port Berry High School in a
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Speaker 1: car with forty seven year old Shane Distill, left without
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Speaker 1: a dress. Spells sister Jerry Crater helped with that search
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Speaker 1: as soon as she learned her sister was a missing
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Speaker 1: a nightmare come true. You know it only happens in movies.
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Speaker 1: Occordy Dispell's family, Corey Distill was a trusted family friend,
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Speaker 1: and they believe Distill manipulated her into leaving, so he
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Speaker 1: should have known different. You know, a family friend my
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Speaker 1: rare end. A family friend doesn't run off with your
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Speaker 1: little girl. A family friend doesn't buy your little girl
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Speaker 1: a secret cell phone. A family friend doesn't hatch up
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Speaker 1: an abduction plan secret away from his so called friends
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Speaker 1: and steal their daughter and travel. We think thousands of
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Speaker 1: miles away so as not to be found. And bottom line,
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Speaker 1: a family friend doesn't target your little girl as a
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Speaker 1: sex predator. Wood. That is no family friend joining me
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Speaker 1: right now, Karen Start psychologist Karen dot com Karen, I
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Speaker 1: mean it's hard for me to even say those words.
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Speaker 1: What about impulse control. It's much more than impost control, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because this guy, he's after her sexually. There's no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it, and it has nothing to do with impost control.
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Speaker 1: He's just ruled by the wrong part of his body
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Speaker 1: and he wants this girl. He doesn't care that he's
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Speaker 1: a family friend. All he cares about is finding a
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Speaker 1: way to get her to be with him. And kids
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Speaker 1: are so impressionable. Here's a little girl, she's at the
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Speaker 1: perfect age where she has a crush and there's a
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Speaker 1: guy who's trying to persuade her that he's the one
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Speaker 1: for her. I have no doubt about it. I wish
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Speaker 1: you could see this little girl's picture like I'm looking at.
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Speaker 1: You can see it, go to crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: She's got I mean, I don't know how a little girl,
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Speaker 1: a teen girl has this, but she's got her Skinlet's
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Speaker 1: like porcelain. It looks like a white china cup. There's
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Speaker 1: not a single blemish on her skin. She's got beautiful,
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Speaker 1: big brown eyes, she's got a little ears pierced, long
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Speaker 1: chestnut brown hair, a perfect smile. Somebody must have put
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Speaker 1: braces on her, and she just looks like the cutest
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Speaker 1: little thing. She looks like she should be going to
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Speaker 1: four eight Glass or out to sell girls scout cookies
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Ashley Wilcot, judge, lawyer, founder, Ashley Wilcot
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Speaker 1: dot com. Ashley, you know I don't even think about
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Speaker 1: the children. Well, I guess I do because of my
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Speaker 1: line of business, but most people don't think about their
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Speaker 1: children at school. Once your child gets to school, you
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Speaker 1: assume everything is okay. That is not true, Ashley, No,
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Speaker 1: it's not true at all. And let's talk about again
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Speaker 1: crime of opportunity, kids getting on and off of school buses.
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Speaker 1: Do you know kids getting off of school buses is
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Speaker 1: one of the primary times that sex trafficking perpetrators target
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Speaker 1: young children, and so it's always a crime of opportunity
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Speaker 1: that is geared around them getting off school buses. So, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: you assume your children are safe at school, But anymore
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Speaker 1: there's no assuming. It's it's frightening when they are perpetrators.
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Speaker 1: They groom these children, they target these children too. Robin
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Speaker 1: Willinski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, author of Beautiful Life.
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Speaker 1: it on Amazon. Robert Willinski, tell me what we know
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Speaker 1: about this guy, Corey Shane Disstel relationship? Why is he
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Speaker 1: the best friend of the family. Where did they go
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Speaker 1: to high school to gather college? Next door neighbors? What
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Speaker 1: do we know about him? Yeah, he knows the parents,
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Speaker 1: and he befriends the parents, and they have some sort
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Speaker 1: of a deer hunting license together. And this guy Nancy
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Speaker 1: has a ton of debt. Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
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Speaker 1: I want to look at how we talk about that
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Speaker 1: for just one moment, the deer hunting thing. Look, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm a victim of gun violence. But on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: I had to train to learn to use a gun
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Speaker 1: to be a prosecutor, and was the best female shot
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Speaker 1: at the time in the District Attorney's office. But when
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Speaker 1: I didn't have to be a round a gun, I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be around a gun. That aside deer
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Speaker 1: hunting buddy, let me tell you something. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if anybody I would be bet Kathleen Murphy might be
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Speaker 1: the closest person on this panel that has knows anything
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Speaker 1: about deer hunting or hunting. But I do know that
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Speaker 1: when you're up in a deer stand with somebody for
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Speaker 1: eight or nine hours, you get to be friends, all right,
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Speaker 1: because you're there. You can't really, you can't leave. You
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Speaker 1: don't even leave to tt Okay, now, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to go down that lane anymore, but you're in there.
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Speaker 1: So if he is a deer hunting buddy with this
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Speaker 1: little girl's dad or family, they've spent a lot of
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Speaker 1: time together, all right, Kathleen Murphy, I don't I don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about your hunting history, but I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you're up in a deer stand with somebody, you're in there,
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Speaker 1: you get to be friends. It's like being on a
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Speaker 1: long trip in a car that you can't get out of. Listen, Matthew,
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Speaker 1: I have a case right now, and I'll be brief.
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Speaker 1: But the father wants to have his deer hunting buddy
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Speaker 1: be the supervisor of some easter visits this weekend, and
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Speaker 1: my client's freaking out and it's just like, no, don't
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Speaker 1: trust the sky. And so you're on point. There are
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Speaker 1: some concerns there because you're sitting up in a deer
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Speaker 1: stand drinking beer with a loaded gun. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to paint at all with them the broad brush,
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Speaker 1: but I mean this is how they got to be friends.
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Speaker 1: Robin will Lynsky, This whole thing smells just like Tad Cummings.
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Speaker 1: Remember him, the high school teacher that told all the
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Speaker 1: students he was a secret agent, did black ops and
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And he runs off with a little
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Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen year old girl. He keeps her in
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Speaker 1: some hippie commune on the other side of the country.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's half naked, and even the people in the commune
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Speaker 1: kick him out, okay, for his behavior. He was a
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Speaker 1: high school teacher. Takes this little girl, Robin Willinsky, his
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Speaker 1: dear hunting buddy. Are you kidding me? That's the friendship.
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Speaker 1: It really disturbs me. And here's why, Nancy, this guy
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Speaker 1: has an ex wife. Here's what really bothers me about.
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Speaker 1: I bet he does. And I'm sure there's a reason
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Speaker 1: she's an X. I'm sure there's a reason she's left,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. And when I look at her picture his
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Speaker 1: ex wife whose age appropriate by the way, she's in
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Speaker 1: her forties. Of his ex wife, to my eye, this
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old, oh yeah, don't tell me, it looks
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Speaker 1: like Dummianna in thirty years exactly. If you put glasses
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Speaker 1: on this woman, this could be her daughter. And VIC
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Speaker 1: is a young version. When you look at the pictures,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I examine all these photographs for you,
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Speaker 1: this little girl with glasses looks just like his ex wife.
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Speaker 1: And I think he had eyes for this girl and
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Speaker 1: was buddy buddy with the parents. And he's your tree
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Speaker 1: service man. He's a guy that cuts down the tree
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Speaker 1: that's hovering over your house that's causing a problem in
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Speaker 1: a storm. And he's the tree service guy. You know,
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Speaker 1: we'd have to look it up if he ever serviced
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Speaker 1: their trees. But he had a lot of debt, and
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Speaker 1: he's got an ex wife who in my mind looks
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Speaker 1: just like this girl in thirty years. Okay, can I
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Speaker 1: just throw something out there. John Cardillo, former NYPD, that's
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Speaker 1: the last that's the last person I went on my
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Speaker 1: bad side is a former NYPD. Done a lot of
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Speaker 1: work with Nickma National Center Missing Exported Children. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: hate to keep talking about my book, which is not
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Speaker 1: even on the market yet for anybody to buy. So
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Speaker 1: this is not a plug. But in the future if
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Speaker 1: you do want to buy, it's called don't be a victim.
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Speaker 1: I just finished researching and writing an exhaustive list on
17:21
Speaker 1: all sorts of topics. One of them is people coming
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Speaker 1: to your home. Okay, call me crazy. You won't be
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Speaker 1: the first, John Cordillo. You'll hear all the ladies in
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Speaker 1: the rest of the panel laughing in the background. But
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Speaker 1: when someone comes to the house to let's just say,
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Speaker 1: fix the cable, fix the this, do that, blah blah.
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Speaker 1: I take the children to the back, I put them
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Speaker 1: in their room and go. You can be on your
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Speaker 1: devices for the next hour. They're in heaven because they
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Speaker 1: have a time limit on their all their electronic devices.
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Speaker 1: Because you don't know these people, Why would you befriend
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Speaker 1: the tree guy. You don't know him, you don't know
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Speaker 1: anything about him. He could be a sex predator for
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Speaker 1: all I know. I mean, why I give him a
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Speaker 1: bottle of water, I say goodbye, thank you, lock the door. Yeah. Look,
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Speaker 1: not only aren't you not or how should I say
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Speaker 1: they are You're not crazy, You're spot on, because we
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Speaker 1: remember a very famous case, the Elizabeth Smart case. They
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Speaker 1: brought a guy who was some shians the Smart home
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Speaker 1: to do some handyman work. He saw the two pretty
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Speaker 1: little blonde girls and then came through the window one
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Speaker 1: night and abducted Elizabeth Smart. So no, that's great, great advice.
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Speaker 1: I'll also add when the FBI did an undercover investigation
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Speaker 1: on NAMBLA, that pedophile group, the North American Man Boy
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Speaker 1: Love Association, they found that they would frequent bus stops right,
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Speaker 1: so everything we've been talking about, but for the listeners
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Speaker 1: or parents, playgrounds, sporting events, and shopping malls. They loved
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Speaker 1: shopping malls right after school from about two thirty to
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Speaker 1: five pm. These groups of pedophiles would frequent shopping malls
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Speaker 1: and scope children. So this is very very real. People
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Speaker 1: are not being reactionary or overly cautious when they tell
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Speaker 1: their kids to be careful or like you do get
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Speaker 1: your kids out of the line of sight of someone
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Speaker 1: you don't know, and I like what you said, tell
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Speaker 1: your children to be careful. That's like driving down Third
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Speaker 1: Avenue in Manhattan and yelling out the window. Because no
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Speaker 1: matter how many times they run these experiments with children,
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Speaker 1: you say, don't get in the car with a stranger,
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Speaker 1: don't get in the car with a stranger, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: Then they do a little task. They always get in
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Speaker 1: the car because they're children. They don't know any better.
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Speaker 1: Just like this little girl, Domiana Spell getting in the
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Speaker 1: car with the so called family friend and disappears. The
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Speaker 1: FBI joins the surge. We're missing fifteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: who may have run away with an older man. Authorities
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Speaker 1: believe Louisiana teen Domina Spell ran away with Corian Distaltel,
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Speaker 1: a forty seven year old father of three. Her family
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Speaker 1: says she baby set for their family. They contacted police
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Speaker 1: her family. That is when they discovered a number of
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Speaker 1: text messages from him to their daughter. Jemina was last
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Speaker 1: seen on Thursday getting off of her school bus. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at krt K. Wow when I
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Speaker 1: heard her laying that out, just like that to Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: judge lawyer anchor at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley, this
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Speaker 1: took a lot of planning. Just stick with me. You
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Speaker 1: may know more about the planning than I do, but
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Speaker 1: I do know this much. She had a secret cell phone.
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Speaker 1: She didn't come up with that idea, and she didn't
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Speaker 1: buy that number one. They had a plan for him
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Speaker 1: to pick her up at a certain time and be
20:46
Speaker 1: off with her, and for them to drive thousands of
20:48
Speaker 1: miles without contacting mom and dad. This whole babysitting rus
20:53
Speaker 1: She was allegedly babysitting from one of his grandchildren. There
20:59
Speaker 1: was no grandchild. He was picking her up under the
21:03
Speaker 1: guise of babysitting and taking her away for long stretches
21:07
Speaker 1: of time in the evening. There was no babysitting. This
21:12
Speaker 1: had been going on for some time. Ashley. Yeah, so Nancy,
21:15
Speaker 1: this is grooming. This is what perpetrators do. And I
21:18
Speaker 1: have to back up everybody describes, Oh, he was a
21:21
Speaker 1: best friend of the family of the father. If it's
21:23
Speaker 1: a best friend, you're gonna know whether or not they
21:26
Speaker 1: have grandchildren. So ay, it wasn't a true best friend.
21:30
Speaker 1: B I would suggest that this perpetrator back it up.
21:34
Speaker 1: I think he started grooming when he became best friends
21:37
Speaker 1: with the father. I think that's part of the process.
21:40
Speaker 1: And I have seen cases before me as a judge,
21:43
Speaker 1: in which the perpetrator starts at the very beginning to
21:47
Speaker 1: groom and find a way to have access to a
21:51
Speaker 1: child that they want to victimize. That's exactly what he
21:54
Speaker 1: did in this case. You're right in the sense that
21:57
Speaker 1: he was spiriting her away and then he would give
22:01
Speaker 1: her money every weekend, leading her parents to think she
22:07
Speaker 1: was babysitting. You know, I'm looking at a picture right now, Asha,
22:10
Speaker 1: I know you have a daughter about the age of Lucy's.
22:13
Speaker 1: And this looks like an Instagram And wait, no, no,
22:18
Speaker 1: is it Snapchat where you can put flowers on your
22:20
Speaker 1: head and give yourself. Oh thank you, Jackie for spending
22:24
Speaker 1: your leisure time when you could be working on our
22:26
Speaker 1: program putting like a dear nose on yourself. But okay,
22:30
Speaker 1: this one has little hearts all over the picture, and
22:34
Speaker 1: she looks like she's ten years old. She precious. Look
22:39
Speaker 1: at this, Jackie, and she's got little hearts all over.
22:43
Speaker 1: This is a little kid sucked into this. Back to
22:47
Speaker 1: the pre planning of the kidnapped Kathleen Murphy, I mean
22:53
Speaker 1: this took a lot of planning on his part, on
22:55
Speaker 1: the part of Corey Shane Distel. He may not have
22:58
Speaker 1: done this for the first time. He may have tried
23:01
Speaker 1: to groom other children. If he's so good at grooming
23:05
Speaker 1: this child when the parents know him, and yet their
23:11
Speaker 1: daughter's going over there to babysit for a non existent child.
23:15
Speaker 1: That's concerning. Now listen to this, guys, You're never gonna
23:18
Speaker 1: believe how bold he was. To Karen Stark Psychologists joining
23:21
Speaker 1: us today out of Manhattan. You can find her at
23:24
Speaker 1: Karen Stark dot com. Listen to this. Neighbors saw a
23:28
Speaker 1: man sneaking into Domianna's bedroom through the window. Her parents
23:35
Speaker 1: call police and that is when an actual investigation first began,
23:41
Speaker 1: but they couldn't find anything out. They could never prove anything.
23:46
Speaker 1: How bold is that, Karen, start to be sneaking into
23:50
Speaker 1: the window? Oh, because bold is making up that he
23:53
Speaker 1: has a granddaughter. And none of it surprises me, Nancy,
23:56
Speaker 1: because once a perpetrator is like the way that this
24:00
Speaker 1: man was, it was in his mind he had a plan.
24:04
Speaker 1: He was definitely going to get this girl to be
24:08
Speaker 1: interested in him and find any way he could to
24:11
Speaker 1: get her out of that house and to go with him.
24:15
Speaker 1: So none of it's surprising. I got another question for you, Karen.
24:19
Speaker 1: But the boldness of going actually into the home, in
24:23
Speaker 1: and out through the window to have her. You know,
24:27
Speaker 1: I'm looking at something Robin Lensky told me about his creditors.
24:32
Speaker 1: I don't know what this actually says about him, but
24:35
Speaker 1: lots and lots of credit cards, Discover card Chase, the
24:41
Speaker 1: La Capitol Federal Credit Union. But listen to this, the
24:45
Speaker 1: Louisiana Department of Revenue and Tax the IRS. I mean,
24:50
Speaker 1: when you mess with them, you are playing with fire playing.
24:54
Speaker 1: I always looking at al Capone he murdered. I don't
24:57
Speaker 1: know how many people, dozens of people personally and by hit.
25:02
Speaker 1: He finally got put in jail by the I R S.
25:06
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at this guy's list of creditors.
25:11
Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to Fanny May. Remember
25:15
Speaker 1: that where you would get student loans, Sally May. This
25:20
Speaker 1: is a long standing pattern of shirking responsibility, care and start,
25:24
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of person that he is. He's
25:28
Speaker 1: does somebody that's going to be your best friend or neighbor,
25:31
Speaker 1: Nancy or mine. He's somebody who's going to shirk responsibilities.
25:35
Speaker 1: He's going to care about young children. He doesn't care
25:39
Speaker 1: that they're underage and that they're not going to know
25:41
Speaker 1: well enough to say no to him. I mean, that's
25:45
Speaker 1: the whole point, right, But he has no prior criminal history,
25:48
Speaker 1: does he? Robin Mallinski, he does not have a criminal history,
25:52
Speaker 1: but he's a shady character. Can't hey his bills, can't
25:56
Speaker 1: manage it? Now? White a minute, White, a minute at
25:58
Speaker 1: Robin before he come down up people too hard about
26:00
Speaker 1: not managing their money. I can remember being so broke.
26:04
Speaker 1: I had two night jobs. I would actually, this is
26:06
Speaker 1: before you could log on from your phone and find out.
26:09
Speaker 1: I'd have to drive by the bank, through the drive through,
26:11
Speaker 1: find out what my balance is before I could write
26:13
Speaker 1: a check. Okay, sometimes I'm sorry to say I may
26:18
Speaker 1: have written a check anyway. I remember writing a check
26:21
Speaker 1: for a dollar and eighty nine cents to S and
26:24
Speaker 1: S Cafeteria. I was so hungry the check because I
26:28
Speaker 1: did not have a dollar and eighty nine cents. Okay.
26:32
Speaker 1: So I hate to come down on him too hard
26:35
Speaker 1: about but I will tell you this so far, knock
26:38
Speaker 1: on wood, I haven't taken with the irs. That is
26:41
Speaker 1: a problem. But with no criminal record, I wonder you
26:46
Speaker 1: know what else I've learned from looking online Kathleen Murphy,
26:52
Speaker 1: divorce lawyer. He was still with his wife. It looks
26:54
Speaker 1: like up until sometime in twenty eighteen, all right at
26:59
Speaker 1: the begin getting a twenty eighteen and you wonder did
27:03
Speaker 1: It's not as if they had been broken up for
27:05
Speaker 1: a long time. I wonder if he broke up with
27:08
Speaker 1: her exactly, or cause had problems with her because of
27:12
Speaker 1: his fixation on this little girl. Well, if she knew
27:16
Speaker 1: that he had a fixation on this little girl. Um,
27:20
Speaker 1: I wonder what the dynamics are or were with the family.
27:27
Speaker 1: Did she know did she talk to the family. Another
27:29
Speaker 1: issue we have here, even though this guy does not
27:32
Speaker 1: have a criminal record, is how he was trapped, explained
27:37
Speaker 1: John Cardillo, former NYPD. Why he would get her a
27:43
Speaker 1: burner phone? What is a burner phone and how has
27:45
Speaker 1: it used? Burner phone is the phone you can buy
27:48
Speaker 1: a typically a big box reteller, a cell phone store.
27:52
Speaker 1: It's untraceable, you pay, you pay cash for it, typically
27:55
Speaker 1: prepay it. And her parents wouldn't know she had it.
27:58
Speaker 1: Law enforcement wouldn't even know she had it if he
28:01
Speaker 1: bought the phone in his name or another adults name.
28:04
Speaker 1: And so it's it's a common tactic as I believe
28:07
Speaker 1: it was. The judge said, of when it when it's
28:09
Speaker 1: sexual predator, and I'm glad we're calling this guy a
28:12
Speaker 1: predator because that's the only thing he is. Let me
28:15
Speaker 1: also add that I don't think this is the first
28:18
Speaker 1: time he's done this for the simple reason that when
28:20
Speaker 1: police were initially called because the child was involved, and
28:23
Speaker 1: you know this, Nancy, they're going to conduct an investigation.
28:26
Speaker 1: There's certainly going to speak to the kid. The Domiana.
28:30
Speaker 1: He had this kid so under his thumb. She didn't
28:32
Speaker 1: give him up. It's pretty you know, non typical for
28:36
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old to resist telling the police the truth.
28:40
Speaker 1: And so this guy had the kid under his thumb.
28:41
Speaker 1: So he gets to the burner phone. He's able to
28:43
Speaker 1: call her on that burner phone. She hides it from
28:45
Speaker 1: her parents. The grooming continues to such a degree that
28:49
Speaker 1: she eventually gets in a vehicle with this guy. And
28:53
Speaker 1: she had no ability to consent. The age of consent
28:55
Speaker 1: right in Louisiana's seventeen. This is a felony. She was
28:59
Speaker 1: between the teen in sixteen. He's four years older than her.
29:02
Speaker 1: He's over seventeen and four years older. So nothing she
29:06
Speaker 1: did well you know, he mitigates anything he did. This
29:09
Speaker 1: guy is a is the worst kind of felon. But
29:11
Speaker 1: I do believe he's done this before, and I would
29:14
Speaker 1: imagine that investigators are going to be looking very deeply
29:17
Speaker 1: into that. And the burner phone is indicative of that.
29:19
Speaker 1: He knew how to groom and he knew exactly what
29:23
Speaker 1: tools he needed to maintain that and to really put
29:27
Speaker 1: this kid under his control. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Overnight,
29:44
Speaker 1: the FBI and Louisiana Police on a man hunt trying
29:47
Speaker 1: to track down fifteen year old Domienna Spell and the
29:50
Speaker 1: forty seven year old authorities believed took off with the
29:52
Speaker 1: girl more than six days ago, just to been missin
29:55
Speaker 1: since seven Thursday mornings. To that from the school and
29:58
Speaker 1: we already knew left with authorities believe Corey Dizeltel, a
30:02
Speaker 1: family friend, gained the trust of her parents by allegedly
30:05
Speaker 1: asking the girl to babysit for his granddaughter that ruse
30:09
Speaker 1: used as a cover up for their less relationship. Come
30:12
Speaker 1: to find out, there was no granddaughter there for her
30:14
Speaker 1: to really be babysitting. They had that little secret relationship going,
30:19
Speaker 1: according to police, Her parents reached out to authorities a
30:22
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago with concern over a suspicious relationship
30:25
Speaker 1: between their daughter and the suspect, claiming Disoltel sent numerous
30:29
Speaker 1: texts to their daughter, he told her that he loved
30:32
Speaker 1: her and stuff like that. Her desperate family going door
30:35
Speaker 1: to door, spreading flyers all around her neighborhood in an
30:37
Speaker 1: attempt to find her. I feel that she's safe her home,
30:41
Speaker 1: you know, than being with him. I mean, she does
30:44
Speaker 1: have family that love and care about her, that misses her,
30:48
Speaker 1: and we want her to know that. And authorities say
30:52
Speaker 1: it is possible that Domiana has changed her appearance and
30:55
Speaker 1: that these two could be anywhere. You're hearing her friend
30:58
Speaker 1: Marcus Moore at ABC News your warning. The FBI joining
31:01
Speaker 1: in the search for a Domiana Spell believed to have
31:03
Speaker 1: been with Corey Shane Disotel, a forty seven year old
31:08
Speaker 1: dad and family friend. The FBI on it and then
31:14
Speaker 1: this fifteen year old Domiana Spell was missing for more
31:17
Speaker 1: than a week, believed to have runoff with forty seven
31:20
Speaker 1: year old Shane Desertel. It was a tilt from the
31:22
Speaker 1: FBI that located the two thousands of miles away in Colorado,
31:26
Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies and Archilletta County found the chew after the
31:29
Speaker 1: FBI told them Destel's phone pined nearby, deputy spotted his car,
31:34
Speaker 1: following him into the parking lot of a grocery store,
31:36
Speaker 1: taking him into custody and bringing Spell to Human Services.
31:40
Speaker 1: Desittel remains in Colorado on a warrant for contributing to
31:43
Speaker 1: the delinquency of a juvenile and could face more charges.
31:46
Speaker 1: As our Katie Easter reports, Spell's family is relieved. He's
31:49
Speaker 1: behind bars. You see all the bodies are found, and
31:54
Speaker 1: it just scares you, Like it terrified me to know
31:57
Speaker 1: maybe that's my sister. The family of fifty year old
32:00
Speaker 1: Dominius Spell no longer have to fear those stories. I mean,
32:04
Speaker 1: it's like a big release to know, you know that
32:07
Speaker 1: this missing person that was found in like a vehicle
32:11
Speaker 1: or something is not my sister. You can hear the
32:13
Speaker 1: heartbreak in the family's voices they're talking about their girl missing.
32:17
Speaker 1: That was KATCTV anchor Kendria Lafleur talking about the pinging
32:24
Speaker 1: of that cell phone to Rob Lynskey Crime online dot Com.
32:28
Speaker 1: They were all the way in Colorado. Yeah, they went
32:32
Speaker 1: for some sort of a joy ride. I'm not even
32:35
Speaker 1: sure he has connections to that area. You know what
32:37
Speaker 1: I find really interesting is that along this process she
32:42
Speaker 1: was told and manipulated Dancy by him to change her
32:46
Speaker 1: hair color and change the color of her eyes by
32:50
Speaker 1: popping in those colored contact lenses. So I have brown eyes,
32:54
Speaker 1: I can go to the store, get some blue ones,
32:56
Speaker 1: pop them in there, dye my hair brown, go back
33:00
Speaker 1: to my original color, and then I look like a
33:02
Speaker 1: different person, which is what he wanted her to do.
33:04
Speaker 1: And it gets worse and worse, Ashley Wilcott with every
33:07
Speaker 1: mile he travels, that's about twelve hundred miles from home,
33:13
Speaker 1: because every minute that passes is another minute of premeditation.
33:17
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, Absolutely, that was You just took the words
33:20
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Nancy. I'm not surprised because you've
33:23
Speaker 1: done prosecution for so long. Premeditation. All of this points
33:28
Speaker 1: to the fact. What does that mean. It means he
33:30
Speaker 1: planned it. He took deliberate steps to choose this young victim,
33:35
Speaker 1: groom this young victim. Kidnap. I'm going to use the
33:39
Speaker 1: word kidnap. He's not been charge with kidnapping, but I'm
33:41
Speaker 1: just saying to you. In my mind, it's kidnapping. Even
33:44
Speaker 1: if she walked on her own two feet, she did
33:47
Speaker 1: it because of his actions convincing her it was okay
33:50
Speaker 1: to do it. Well, that is why Karen Stark psychologist
33:54
Speaker 1: with me right now. And I was just going to say, developmentally,
33:58
Speaker 1: I'm going to go along with with Robin's. She can't
34:01
Speaker 1: make that choice. She's not in the position. Think about
34:04
Speaker 1: when you're a teenager, the crushes that you have and
34:07
Speaker 1: your susceptibility to being wooed and groom. Wait, hold on,
34:12
Speaker 1: hold that, Karen. Start, Hold on, everybody, just pause for
34:16
Speaker 1: five seconds and think about the things the worst thing
34:19
Speaker 1: you did in your own mind as a teenager, the
34:22
Speaker 1: one thing Jackie is laughing to herself here in the
34:25
Speaker 1: studio and I'm hiding my head in shame. Okay, don't
34:28
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I know that. Go ahead, Karen, And
34:32
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna follow up with Kathleen and Ashley about
34:35
Speaker 1: juvenile culpability. Go ahead, Karen. Start, Well, she's impressionable and
34:39
Speaker 1: she wants to be in love. Your hormones are coming out.
34:42
Speaker 1: You don't know what to do about the feelings that
34:45
Speaker 1: you're having. And here is a guy who's willing her,
34:49
Speaker 1: who's making her feel wonderful, And she doesn't have the
34:52
Speaker 1: developmental capability, Nancy, the psychological astuteness to know that this
34:59
Speaker 1: is wrong. It just feels like she's loved. And that's
35:03
Speaker 1: exactly what I have no doubt. To Kathleen Murphy, family
35:08
Speaker 1: lawyer or expert, Kathleen, that is why the law does
35:12
Speaker 1: not allow miners to buy a car, to enter a contract,
35:17
Speaker 1: to buy cigarettes or alcohol, to you know, host a
35:22
Speaker 1: myriad of things. Miners are disallowed from doing because they
35:26
Speaker 1: have not formed mentally enough to make those kind of decisions.
35:30
Speaker 1: That's why they are protected. For instance, I remember the
35:33
Speaker 1: first time I learned it in law school. If a
35:35
Speaker 1: kid shows up, he looks twenty five years old or
35:38
Speaker 1: has a stack of money, you still can't sell him
35:41
Speaker 1: a car. If he goes out and crashes the car
35:44
Speaker 1: in five minutes, that's on the dealership, the person. The
35:48
Speaker 1: family doesn't have to pay a thing because that contract
35:52
Speaker 1: never existed, because he's a miner. And I would take
35:55
Speaker 1: it one step further. I think even at age eighteen,
35:59
Speaker 1: they're not old enough or developmentally mature enough to make
36:04
Speaker 1: some major decisions. And I tell my children all the time.
36:07
Speaker 1: Look at this picture right now, Ashley Wilcott of this
36:10
Speaker 1: little girl domi Anna Spell with her snapchat with all
36:14
Speaker 1: of her heart's past, you know, superimposed over everything. I mean,
36:19
Speaker 1: she had no idea what she was doing. I'm just
36:22
Speaker 1: glad she's alive. It has come to be realized that
36:25
Speaker 1: these are perpetrators committing crimes on these young victims, and
36:29
Speaker 1: that the juveniles, even if they look older, even if
36:32
Speaker 1: they're beautiful young women, if they are a juvenile, they're
36:35
Speaker 1: the victim because of the actions of a man like
36:38
Speaker 1: this who's forty seven. To Robin Willinski, Crime online dot
36:42
Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, Robin Willinsky,
36:47
Speaker 1: how has he found and what is he facing? Well, yes,
36:50
Speaker 1: he has been arrested because of the cell phone things.
36:54
Speaker 1: They tracked this guy down at a grocery store if
36:57
Speaker 1: the fifteen year old was with him. So far it's
37:00
Speaker 1: contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile. But again because
37:05
Speaker 1: of the potential for kidnapping charges that they could slap
37:09
Speaker 1: that on there and a host of other things depending
37:13
Speaker 1: upon the sexual contact. Obviously, there needs to be interviews
37:17
Speaker 1: that need to be done and then We'll see where
37:19
Speaker 1: it goes from there. It could be a long road
37:24
Speaker 1: ahead for him and certainly a long road ahead for her.
37:26
Speaker 1: She's definitely going to need some therapy going forward. She
37:30
Speaker 1: got sucked into this madness and ended up in you,
37:34
Speaker 1: as you say, over a thousand miles away. We really
37:36
Speaker 1: don't know what went on during this period. And also
37:39
Speaker 1: equally disturbing is what went on when she was babysitting
37:46
Speaker 1: for the non baby. Well, the thing is, you know, Robin,
37:50
Speaker 1: she'll go the rest of her life with us hanging
37:53
Speaker 1: over her head. And right now she's alive. She's been
37:57
Speaker 1: found all the way out in Colorado. But this story
38:01
Speaker 1: what happened to her is going to stick with her
38:03
Speaker 1: the rest of her life. We wait as justice unfolds
38:09
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off good Bye friend,