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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the NBA offseason, What is LeBron waiting for (?), Extension for Keyonte George before the season (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest called the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day, My list today. Here's oc with basketball samon
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Always great to have Gordy Chasa here in studio with us.
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  Speaker 4: Gorty welcome, How are you, sir John?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing very well. Thank you, Gordy.
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  Speaker 3: And the conversations with Gordy brought to you by a
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  Speaker 3: Laddin Industries, your Vlux dealer here in Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 3: and the greater state of Utah. Gordy, we are still
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  Speaker 3: holding our breath and waiting on a decision from Lebron James.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like that's the biggest I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: say cloud, that sounds ominous, but.
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  Speaker 4: It's the biggest thing hanging over the NBA right now.
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  Speaker 3: How people want to know where one of the greatest
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  Speaker 3: players of all time finish his career.
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  Speaker 4: When's it gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: Soon? Soon?
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  Speaker 5: Means what I would say probably the next week or so,
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  Speaker 5: and it's gonna happen. And the speculation is that which
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  Speaker 5: team can he win a possible championship with? And so
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  Speaker 5: the two teams that he could really impact as far
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  Speaker 5: as winning a championship would be the seventy six Ers
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  Speaker 5: and also the Timberwolves. Now the question is if the
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  Speaker 5: two Wolves add Lebron to that group, can they not?
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  Speaker 5: Can they knock off the Thunder and can they knock
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  Speaker 5: off the Spurs? And that's where it should be very interesting.
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  Speaker 5: The seventy six Ers, they have a they have a
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  Speaker 5: tremendous lineup. The pieces do fit. Lebron could add to
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  Speaker 5: that group tremendously. Now the Cavaliers are in the mix, also,
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  Speaker 5: so the Warriors, and so are the mabbe Heat, but
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  Speaker 5: those teams aren't as ready to win a championship by
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  Speaker 5: adding Lebron. Economically, Lebron's gonna sign for either the ten
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  Speaker 5: year minimum, which is three point eight eight million dollars,
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  Speaker 5: meaning this anybody has ten years credit service in the NBA.
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  Speaker 5: Lebron's got twenty three. But it's a relative. You can
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  Speaker 5: make the minimum, it's all relative.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't keep going up after ten years. There's not
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  Speaker 3: like a fifteen year, a twenty year, right, that twenty
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  Speaker 3: three year minimum, because nobody makes it that far.
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  Speaker 5: You're exactly right, So it's three point eight eight million,
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  Speaker 5: or he could sign for they call the exception, which
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  Speaker 5: happens every year, which he basically is a six point
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  Speaker 5: one million, So either or for the economics, and there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of money in the real world, but in
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  Speaker 5: the basketball the universe, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the question. Right now.
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  Speaker 5: He's holding up the NBA as far as all the
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  Speaker 5: other free agents because it's like a domino effect. It
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  Speaker 5: happens once in a while where a star player makes
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  Speaker 5: it this to go to a certain team and the
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  Speaker 5: rest of the league then falls back as far as
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  Speaker 5: wants and needs of the players. So Lebron, it's gonna
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  Speaker 5: happen relatively soon. The NBA schedule of the algorithms, I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure ninety five percent done. They're just waiting to make
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  Speaker 5: it official of where this guy goes because it does
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  Speaker 5: affect the opening opening game of this season, and also
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  Speaker 5: it affects Christmas Day, which is usually the highlight of
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  Speaker 5: the NBA as far as starting out their season. As
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  Speaker 5: far as mainstream the NFL rules obviously throughout the fall
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  Speaker 5: and up until February. And speaking of February, Sean, I
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  Speaker 5: make this point about to you and your loved one, Sean,
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  Speaker 5: where you really here's the question of Sean O'Connell on
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  Speaker 5: Valentine's Day this year? Will you left and see on
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  Speaker 5: Valentine's this year? Will Sean O'Connell and James Peterson my
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  Speaker 5: two my two trusted friends here will they be watching
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  Speaker 5: the Super Bowl or sell breading Valentine's Day? It's February fourteenth, Sean.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to know the answer yet. I'm giving
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  Speaker 5: you about eight months in advance to make that decision.
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  Speaker 5: You and James, you guys are both shaky as far
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  Speaker 5: as romance, so I just want to make that out
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  Speaker 5: to you.
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  Speaker 4: I can answer your question already. And here's why.
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  Speaker 3: Because you got to marry a woman who's a sports fan, true,
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  Speaker 3: and then you get away with it. So I'll have
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  Speaker 3: little whining and dining, so to speak.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, my wife's my wife's a football fan. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: February fourteenth, well, listeners out there that Super Bowl Sunday
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  Speaker 5: is on Valentine's Day, see Sean on the opposite where
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  Speaker 5: I would take romance any day over sports.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, where you left many.
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  Speaker 5: Any day, even though I'd never been home for Valentine
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  Speaker 5: Usually when I was a coach, who're always playing way,
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  Speaker 5: So we preface that as far as saying.
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  Speaker 3: It coaching on the road, grinding it out for all
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  Speaker 3: those years, all those decades, you probably had to bank
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of like, uh, makeup holidays.
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  Speaker 5: I would imagine, Oh, yeah, very very much, you know,
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  Speaker 5: absolutely So Lebron right now is making up the NBA
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  Speaker 5: as far as holding it up now quickly. Here's just
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  Speaker 5: some guys that are waiting for Lebron to make a decision.
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  Speaker 5: And what a feeling. Where wait a second, I'm really
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  Speaker 5: a good player, I be. I'm an NBA vetan by seventeen, eighteen,
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  Speaker 5: nineteen years and we're waiting on one guy hits. Some
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  Speaker 5: of the guys right now waiting on Lebron's decision, James Harden,
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  Speaker 5: Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Spencer Doomwiddie, John Dick, Kaminga Peyton Watson,
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  Speaker 5: Bandick Mathern, DeMar DeRozan, George Niang, Kevin Love, Real, Ley Beale,
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Duran, Kelly o'lennick, Gary Payton the second, Nick Patoon,
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  Speaker 5: Spencer Jones, and also Doug McDermott. So those are all
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  Speaker 5: these free agents out there that are waiting to see
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  Speaker 5: how it all plays out. Where they're not directly involved
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  Speaker 5: with Lebron's decision. However, everyone's waiting to see how it
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  Speaker 5: plays out those teams right now, and if you restricted
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  Speaker 5: free agent, even worse, we're showing that you want to
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  Speaker 5: be on a certain team, but the team's not going
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  Speaker 5: to bid against themselves, and that's what makes an awful feeling.
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  Speaker 5: So jelender In of the Pistons, and John it's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be and Benn Matthmin the of the Clippers, they're all
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  Speaker 5: out there and they're waiting to see what happens as
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  Speaker 5: far as who's in a bid on them. That's our
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  Speaker 5: off season right now. Showing you the SegReg to it.
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  Speaker 5: We mentioned that it's never the offseason, and this year
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  Speaker 5: it's even more elongated.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, this Lebron's mind doesn't work the way that my
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  Speaker 3: mind works, right, But if I've been in the West
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  Speaker 3: for eight years, and I've been battling up against Western
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  Speaker 3: Conference teams to some success, to one championship, but not
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  Speaker 3: repeated dynastic types of success in LA. Would it be
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  Speaker 3: as simple as like, hey man, the West is tough,
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  Speaker 3: I'm more familiar with the West. Let me trade this
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  Speaker 3: for the devil I don't know, and head to an
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  Speaker 3: Eastern Conference team. Do you think conference really has a
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  Speaker 3: significant weight in how he's going to make his decision.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know, because Lebron's enough confidence in
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  Speaker 5: himself that he thinks he can uplift an a ready
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  Speaker 5: established team to try and knock off the champions, which
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  Speaker 5: is right now Nicobockers. And it's interesting at this time
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  Speaker 5: last year there was nobody minus Jellen Bruns's wife was
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  Speaker 5: saying that we're going to be great next year at
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  Speaker 5: this time, meaning Nickoboxers. So yes, see this never know
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  Speaker 5: when you get a certain player or plural guys mature
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  Speaker 5: that they could be champions. And with Lebron right now,
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  Speaker 5: he's earned that right somewhat to make a decision. But
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  Speaker 5: again there's rumors out there that he's waiting to see
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  Speaker 5: what happens with Anthony Davis of the Wizards, who was
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  Speaker 5: treated the trading deadline, who got hurt last year, sat out.
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  Speaker 5: He's a major talent. Though it might add his contract
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  Speaker 5: extension eligibility could be on August sixth, So it's possible
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  Speaker 5: that Lebron is waiting to see what the Wizards do
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  Speaker 5: with Lebron James, and remember they have the same agent,
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  Speaker 5: Rich Paul of Clutch Sports, to see if he can
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  Speaker 5: get both those guys on a certain team and do
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  Speaker 5: it again which he did for the Lakers, to try
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  Speaker 5: to add two clients that are elite talent. Both are
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  Speaker 5: eight ones injury prone, the other one is somewhat aging.
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  Speaker 5: Lebron he turns forty two on December December thirtieth of
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  Speaker 5: this year of twenty twenty six. So again, there's so
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  Speaker 5: many subplots. It's never it's very complicated, Sean, It's like
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  Speaker 5: a puzzle. But the puzzle, though is based on talent,
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  Speaker 5: and that's what makes it so so dynamic and also
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  Speaker 5: drawn out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I have some more questions about that dynamic that
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  Speaker 3: you just mentioned, like if Lebron is kind of waiting
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  Speaker 3: to see if he can also add certain teammates to
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  Speaker 3: whatever roster he ends up on if he's playing GM.
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  Speaker 3: There was a time in his career where you had
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  Speaker 3: to accept that because he was the best player in
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  Speaker 3: the league and he was this megastar, mover and shaker
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  Speaker 3: who was going to be on primetime all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's still obviously an incredible basketball player, he's no
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  Speaker 3: longer the best player.
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  Speaker 4: In the league.
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  Speaker 3: And I wonder if there's a certain amount of fatigue
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  Speaker 3: or worry, even for a new franchise, that he's going
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  Speaker 3: to come in and try to throw his wait around
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  Speaker 3: a little bit too much. So I want to stay
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  Speaker 3: on clock. But I want to talk about that when
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  Speaker 3: we return. And it's not just Lebron, it's any player
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  Speaker 3: in today's NBA, right because all of them, all of
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  Speaker 3: them want at least to be consulted on personnel decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Lebron it feels like maybe wants a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: than that, even as he's in the twilight of his career.
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  Speaker 4: Some reports suggesting that at least. So we'll get to
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  Speaker 4: that next.
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  Speaker 3: If you're an NBA GM owner franchise, are you willing
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  Speaker 3: to bring in a Lebron James who wants to be
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  Speaker 3: I said, hello, all right, Gordy. We were talking about
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  Speaker 3: what everyone in the NBA world is talking about. Where's
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  Speaker 3: Lebron gonna end up? What's Lebron gonna do with this
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  Speaker 3: next couple of seasons. We assume he's gonna play more
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  Speaker 3: than just a one but it'll be a two year contract.
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  Speaker 3: That seems like wherever he ends up, and there's all
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  Speaker 3: these suitors, right, there's all these potential destinations. The Miami
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  Speaker 3: Heat accidentally put a social media announcement out about a
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  Speaker 3: press introductory press conference, got a little panic around the
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  Speaker 3: league yesterday. For at least for a brief time. I
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  Speaker 3: was teasing this before we went to the break. The
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  Speaker 3: report today is that Lebron James maybe something that's going
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  Speaker 3: to factor into his decision is whether or not he
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  Speaker 3: can link up with Kyrie, if he can link up
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  Speaker 3: with ad, if he can reunite with former teammates or
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  Speaker 3: people that he wants to play with. And there was
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  Speaker 3: a time in his career where Lebron James got to
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  Speaker 3: play GM a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Is that time?
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  Speaker 3: Is that window still open for Lebron James or are
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  Speaker 3: these NBA owners and coaches and teams saying like, Man,
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  Speaker 3: we really want you and we love you, but you
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  Speaker 3: gotta just trust our process not yours very much.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, that process is based on the team.
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  Speaker 5: Now Lebron doesn't have that same leverage that he once had,
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  Speaker 5: so those teams will do what's best for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they want Lebron on their team because he's still a
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  Speaker 5: tremendous player and that he would enhance the group as
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  Speaker 5: far as winning hopefully in their world deep into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: But as far as him dictating the terms, will they will,
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  Speaker 5: It will not happen. His agents Rich Paul Clutch Sports,
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  Speaker 5: who's a very influential agency, and that he'll try to
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  Speaker 5: attempt to do it, but the teams that the teams
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  Speaker 5: will not blink. They're going to do what's best for
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  Speaker 5: them and that they're going to try to make the
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  Speaker 5: money work, which is really nominal. But as far as
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  Speaker 5: if it's a signing trade hypothetically for other players involved,
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  Speaker 5: is that those teams that are trying to capture an
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  Speaker 5: NBA title, they canna do. It's best for them both
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  Speaker 5: short term and long term. So it happens, but not
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  Speaker 5: right now with Lebron. It's gonna be a team driven
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  Speaker 5: decision right now. The biggest thing right now, the biggest
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  Speaker 5: thing is that ways you fit in to help a
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  Speaker 5: team go go for a successful deep playoff front. Remember
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  Speaker 5: it's all about the playoffs now. It's not about just
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  Speaker 5: winning regular season. You're being judged by playoff or non
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  Speaker 5: playoff success.
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  Speaker 4: You talked about how Lebron is gonna take the minimum basically.
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  Speaker 5: Three point eight eight million, which by the way, will
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  Speaker 5: be the lowest salary he's ever taken in his NBA career.
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  Speaker 3: As a rookie, he made more money than that. Correct,
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  Speaker 3: Very funny, of course, he's just fine. According to sports Track,
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  Speaker 3: the career earnings of Lebron James so far five hundred
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  Speaker 3: and eighty one million, three hundred and seventy five thousand,
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  Speaker 3: five hundred and forty eight dollars.
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  Speaker 4: That's his salary.
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  Speaker 3: Says nothing of his external endorsements or the production company
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  Speaker 3: he's involved in or any of that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, or the contracts with Nike, all the different things
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  Speaker 5: that he has so he's made over a billion dollars
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  Speaker 5: apartment over half a billion dollars as far as his
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  Speaker 5: NBA salary, And that's the that's the growth of the NBA.
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  Speaker 5: The salaries have increased so much because of the TV partnerships,
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  Speaker 5: of the mega deals that they sign, and the players'
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  Speaker 5: union benefits from it by the salary cap. The salary
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  Speaker 5: cap this year is one hundred and sixty five million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: And so that with that said, is that the players
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  Speaker 5: are the benefactor of it where they're going to receive
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  Speaker 5: certain things as far as economics. So in the in
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  Speaker 5: the NBA, when we talk about just in quick terms,
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  Speaker 5: mid level exception this year is fifteen million dollars, which
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  Speaker 5: means in Layman's term, that half the NBA players make
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  Speaker 5: an annual salary above fifteen million dollars and half make below.
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  Speaker 5: The bi annual exception which Lebron might sign sign for
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  Speaker 5: is five point five million. I mentioned early earlier Sean
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  Speaker 5: and I second ago, the ten year veteran minimum, whether
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  Speaker 5: you played ten years or twenty three years is three
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  Speaker 5: point eight eight million. All right, This number now is
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  Speaker 5: the one that you can relate to as far as
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  Speaker 5: your own job This is how crazy the NBA is
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  Speaker 5: as far as salaries in this generation.
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  Speaker 1: Next year the.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty six, twenty six, twenty seventh season, the loser get
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  Speaker 5: paid in the NBA. If you're a rookie that didn't
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  Speaker 5: get drafted, you made an NBA team after January tenth,
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  Speaker 5: which is the with the deadline's salary, the logan get
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  Speaker 5: paid this year Sean is one point three five million.
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  Speaker 1: That is absolutely lowest. One point three to five million.
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  Speaker 5: If you're a second year player, you made a team
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  Speaker 5: last year for your life, you finally made a team
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  Speaker 5: again this year. The Thaws who get paid his two
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  Speaker 5: point one million as a one year credited service in
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  Speaker 5: the NBA. Last point about this is two way G
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  Speaker 5: League contracts. So a guy you had expressional time, he's
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  Speaker 5: on a two way contract this year for two way
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  Speaker 5: contract is six hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars. That's
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  Speaker 5: a two way contract player last one exhibit ten contract.
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  Speaker 5: That's the guys that didn't sun a two way contract
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  Speaker 5: but are invited to NBA Veterans Camp. They get cut.
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  Speaker 5: They go to the NBA affiliations with say in Utah,
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  Speaker 5: but the Salt Lakes City Stars is that those players
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  Speaker 5: will make ninety one thousand dollars as far as a
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  Speaker 5: bonus if they stay on the team for sixty days
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  Speaker 5: but not going overseas, plus another forty five thousand by
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  Speaker 5: their NBA contract, which is paid by the NBA, So
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  Speaker 5: they make it roughly around one hundred and forty five
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  Speaker 5: thousand dollars a guy Exhibit ten contract. So that's the
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  Speaker 5: economics of it. Lebron's the ultimate. So Stephen Curry, who's
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  Speaker 5: the highest paid player in the NBA this year, He's
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  Speaker 5: gonna make sixty two million dollars. So I know it
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  Speaker 5: sounds crazy, it's outrageous these numbers. We talk about millions
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  Speaker 5: of dollars like it's sixty dollars, But that's the fact
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  Speaker 5: of the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I love trying to stump Gordy. It doesn't work
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  Speaker 3: very often, but I love trying to stump him. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to stump you right now, if you're
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  Speaker 3: okay with that, Gordon absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: According to NBA dot Com, the NBA salary cap will
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  Speaker 3: one will be one hundred and sixty four point nine
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  Speaker 3: million dollars per team. Correct, okay, And we'll just leave
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  Speaker 3: it at that. We're not going to get into aprons
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: or things like that exactly. It's confusing for listeners. The
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: first collectively bargained salary cap instituted in the NBA happened
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: after the merger. It was it started the nineteen eighty
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: four nineteen eighty five season. Do you know what the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: salary cap per team was in eighty four eighty five?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Okay? Now was with Larry Bird. The cap stuck as
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Larry Berg where right?
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: All back told the NBA, wait, a second are star
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: player is great for the league. I can't resign them,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: all right, So the first cap in nineteen eighty four,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: all right, I am guessing it's going to be, okay,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: eighty four.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Thirty thirty eight million dollars.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Three point six million dollars. That doesn't sound right. It's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: gotta be more than.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: That, ye right, yeah, I think it is.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I think according to Basketball Real GM okay, and according
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to the Rocks and the Googles, it's three point six
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: million dollars. And then it went to four point two,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: four point nine for two years, uh, six point one,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: seven point two. You got up into double digits eleven
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: eleven million dollars in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: For the salary cap, and now it's one sixty five
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: and now it's a one hundred.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That's insane. It's insane, right, and it's projected.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: To be, by the way, in twenty thirty four, twenty
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: thirty five, two hundred and forty four million dollars is
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the projected salary cap.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Right, And that to that so as far as all
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: the fans point of view, that Victor Wemby Amber and
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Luca Dantage and Cooper Flag will be the first three
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: players that will ever make one hundred million dollars in
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: a in this season an NBA A regular season, which
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: is really incredible. Think about your favorite movie star in Hollywood, Hey,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: your shit and what they make as far as a
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: mega movie, whether you're most famous director Christopher Nolan something
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: like that with Odyssey right now coming out, what he
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: makes in a movie.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: You're gonna see that in the theater, by the way.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I am, yeah, I'm gonna see it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna see.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Normally, I wait until movies come out on airplanes because
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I travel so much. That one I got to see
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: in the theater. Absolutely, he filmed it in imax for
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: us to see it come.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Out very much.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Also a matter of fact, Sean, what is your go
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: to thing at the movie theater?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: What do you eat? What's your snack?
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: O man?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: More than one?
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: No?
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm cheap, Gordy, So I usually smuggle. I usually
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: smuggle things in smuggle, you know what I mean, allegedly allegedly.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I don't want to incriminate myself, but I allegedly bring
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: my own snacks into the movie theater quite often.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: You can get them at the movie theater.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: But a regular, an old traditional mic and Ike. That's
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: a great movie snack. Okay, you remember the Mike and Key,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the mic and ikes, Yes, not the They have a
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: bunch of exotic flavors they get, like the berry mix
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and the tropical mix.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I like the regular mic and kex.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: My go to for less, I'm dating myself less sixty
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: five years would be a junior mixed.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's it. That's like my dad. My dad loves
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: a junior mint. All right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: We've been talking about the economics this NBA offseason. We've
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: been talking about the economics of NBA basketball. Gordy, I'm
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: gonna dive a little bit deeper into this because there's teams,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: there's contracts being handed out, and you and I were
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: talking in the last break about maybe like bang for
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the buck on certain players. So we're gonna start our
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: number two with that after a quick break Sean O'Connell Show,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: As we were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: two to one af AM.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Gordia Chiaza,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: brought to us by Aladdin Industries, is here for another
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: twenty something minutes. Eric Weddell's going to join us right
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: after that. He'll be with us twelve thirty to talk
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: about they're recently announced induction into the Ring of Honor
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: at Rice Cycles Stadium. Looking forward to that conversation with
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: my friend Gordy this offseason. We were just talking about
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: during the break off season for football for another couple
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of months here off season in basketball right now, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: you got no numbers, you got no stats, you got
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: no points being scored. But perhaps the more important numbers,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the balancing of these books, the economics of these sports.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: We were diving into salary caps and the percentage of
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: salary cap money that players represent right now, for a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: little bit of fun, Gordy, during the break, we were
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: doing an exercise. The biggest cap hit in the NFL
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: this year, Matthew Stafford is going to be a forty
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: eight million dollar hit against the Rams cap. The salary
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: cap in the NFL this year is three hundred and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: one dollars, so he's gobbling up nearly one sixth of
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the overall money for the La Rams who just acquired
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Also Miles Garrett and are talking to Aaron Donald about
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: coming out of retirement. I mean, it is trying these gms.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: They got tough jobs, Gordy. And I know you did
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a bunch of research. You got a bunch of numbers
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: on that sheet in front of you.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: So the off season right now that the general, the
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: ownership level and management they absolutely earned every cent that
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: they are able to accumulate because they make the better
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: teams that I call it wicked smart decision makers that
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: they have understand the value of certain players. Now he's
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: the top seven contracts this off season and free agency.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: I stopped a seven. So when you're driving the car
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: right now at I fifteen, you say yourself, is that
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: money worth for that player right now? Number seven? The
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: highest this off season contract Kobe White of the Hornets.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: He signed for three years seventy four million, the sixth highest.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Asaiah Hartenstein of the Thunder three years seventy five million,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: the fifth highest contract off season. Tarry Easton of the
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: Rockets five years eighty one point five million the fourth highest.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Iron Desumo of the Tea Wolves, who's vastly underrated and
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: my dad and he's really it helped the Tea with tremendously.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: He got five years at one hundred and twelve million,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: the third highest off season for all the Jazz fans.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Walker Kesler got four years, one hundred and twenty nine
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: point five million by the Lakers, the second highest off
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: season contract and far as free agency. Austin Reeves also
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the Lakers, four years one hundred and fifty million, and
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: the highest contract this off season.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Is by the Wizards.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Trey Young signed for four years, two and twelve point
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: eight million off season. So there's some that I like
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: very much and some I can't believe what I'm saying
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: out loud and what I'm reaching. A high contract and freegency,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: it's validated only if that person adds postseason game success.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: If it doesn't, then the team used regretful dollars. Later on,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: they admitted playoff wins justified money spent. So the question
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: right now would say for the Lakers is Austin Reeves
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: and Walker Kessler, will the Lakers someday, someday have regretful
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: dallas as far as what they spent on that? And
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: we're gonna find out the next two to three seasons.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Jazz basketball, Jaron Jackson's contract right now, as far as
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: cumulative this year coming up the sally cap, twenty nine
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: point seven percent of sally cap of one's sixty five
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: is given to Jaron Jackson and Larry markinen is twenty
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: eight percent of the sally cap goes to Larry Mark
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: and the third highest percentage wise the Jazz basketball sorry
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: kap ironically shown is Darren Peterson, who's a rookie. So
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: that just shows you so that you've got up and
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: if backfires dramatically or is tilted in a negative direction,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: if that player what misses more than fifteen games. So
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: when you're paying a lot of these players allot whole
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: much of money if they don't play in minimum sixty
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: seven games or more, that affects absolute team's success both
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: regular season and postseason. And so the economics of it
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: is absolutely critical. And again, the better teams get the
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: contracts correct towards winning. And we shall see as far
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: as in the NBA landscape what happens as far as everybody.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Staying on this tack of you know, committing a certain
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: is not avoidable. You can't not pay your top players
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: a bunch of money, right the market dictates what the
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: market dictates for a franchise, and a team like the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz who have been paying some of these prices,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and then saying, you know what, we want you to
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: sit down anyway, we're tanking here, we're preparing ourselves for
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: higher draft picks. We know you're the highest paid guy
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: on the team, but we're not going to really ask
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: you to fight through a bumper, a bruise, or anything
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: like that because it's not important to us right now.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Suddenly it becomes important that lowry marketing stays not just healthy,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: but like really healthy, like lowry marketing being available when
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: lowry marketing is such a massive percentage of your salary
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: cap is I.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Mean, it's the whole thing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It's if you got those guys on the floor, you
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: can compete and potentially win. If you don't, it's doomsday
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: all over again. So knowing that you've invested this, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I'm using Lowry as the example because he is that
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: guy for the Utah j as in Jaron Jackson Junior
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: is right there in that same category, you know that
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you've I mean, you're putting a lot of eggs in
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: those baskets. How much do you have to pay attention
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to the trend of the injuries and what injuries were
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: real versus what injuries were kind of embellished for the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: sake of tanking.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: But this year in Jazz basketball, there's no more at
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: all tanking absolutely not showing. So this now, this time,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: it's a the Jazz are playing to win, and I'm
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: sure the players they want to win, and the coaches
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: absolutely want to win, and it's and sort of defans
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure everyone involved wants to win. So it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: been four years of the process and now hopefully that
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: it makes sense because the Jazz have good players, but
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: they have to be available, and so that's the question
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: is always and every team goes through this right now,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: So not only Jazz basketball, it's it's all the other
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: twenty nine NBA teams where it's such a factor who
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: gets hurt, and that's why you've got to build quality
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: depth where you can't replay least a certain players that's
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: a star performer that's injured, but you could win some
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: games by consensus in team building of at a certain
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: position you might be lacking, but other positions that you're
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: really overstacked in a good way and your rosters. During
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: the course of a game, you might go small or
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: go ultra big to win the game as far as
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: and develop your team that way. So you try to
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: bob and weave after an injury. But it's all based
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: on depth right now, even though we know that in
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter of most NBA games, especially in the playoffs,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: or by the way, who's your knockout talent who can
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: score the ball on their own on a short clock,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: you can go organize one on one and make a
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: jump shot or drive in the lane, make get the
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: ball into the paint and kick it out for the
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: corner for a three point shot, or go old school
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: and one attack the rim and go at the defensive
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: body to get a basket and a foul shot to
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: change moreum. And that's the question right now. So in
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: jazz basketball that there's always a factor as far as
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: the salary cap. It affects everyone in professional sports. This
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: is the reality of it. I know most most people
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: in the real world showing if they get a contract,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: there a static and the X amount of money these
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: players are talking, We're talking millions of dollars. And because
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: they have a certain talent. NBA NFL is a talent league.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: That a question is how do you how do you
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: value the talent and how can you validate a person's salary.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: That's the issue. It's that great area and it's based
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: on winning. So Sean, what is victim going beyond? But
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: worked to disperse economically?
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Right? Immeasurable?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You got that right? What about Steph Curry?
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: I'm sing same if you can't put a number on it,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: because what they do for their franchise is this is
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: STEP's eighteenth year starting next three months from now, NBA,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: this would be Victor Wembyamba's fourth season, what he's worked
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: as far as Jersey numbers, selling, et cetera.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: The whole situation with the Spurs. That's the price.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: You will never find an overpaid Victor Weinbinyama, an overpaid
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Steph Curry. You can't overpay those types of guys. You
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: can overpay other people in this league. We've seen it
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a lot, oh very much, so Sean. That's another statement
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: with Sean, I mean said decades. I was saying this,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: whether you pay somebody six million dollars or twenty six
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: million dollars, they play the same.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: They play the same that they don't they they don't.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they whether six million or twenty six million, they
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: play the same.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I've never put it. I've never heard it put exactly
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: But there's no argument against it, right because if you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: a six million dollar player and you're out there being like, well,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I'm only paid six millions, so I'm not competing all
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: that hard. You're not on the floor, right, So you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: doing your best no matter what kind of money you're making.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Very much, and the guy makes say twenty six million,
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: for the narrative is that he plays like a guy
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: makes six million. Now it's not his fault that he's
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: getting paid like that, No, it's not. It's the management
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: group and circumstances. See sometimes in the NBA professional sports
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: that there's wild cards where the dominoes fell and they
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: fell in your behalf this off season where they had
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: to sign somebody and they dramatically overpaid a certain player
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: because he fits the criteria of a positional need and
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: at that instant this off season, there wasn't too many
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: other options. So that's why that player probably dramatically overplayed.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Now example, every NBA player thinks that why underpaid? So
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: it's the other situation. And that's why I have to think,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: because you're confident young person, and that's how you would
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: view the world according to you, not according to winning.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: And again, the Nickobacas showed us right in front of
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: us two months ago where they really were a team
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: and that those role players absolutely played great for Nickobacus
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: as far as what they did and they superseded their contracts.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: So I just described some of the players that Nick's
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: had right now where they really were able to do that.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: So someone like Landon Shaman off the bench comes in
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the game Josh hart og and Andobi. Those guys come
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: in games. Miles McBride, those guys come in the game,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and they really helped the group as far as Nickobacka winning.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: So the star players, whenever they paid them, they delivered,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: but also those role players that absolutely their contract they superseded.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: That's how you win.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Gordi Chaza for another couple of minutes here on the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show, So as we talk about the economics
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: of this league and the guys who have you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: fit in where they fit in the max type players,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz made a decision this offseason where you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you have an extension for Walker Kessler potentially coming, you
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: have an extension for an extension for Kiante George potentially coming.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: And it felt it felt like that conversation started to
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: get interesting because how can you keep both of them?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And obviously there was some disagreement between what Walker thought
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: he was worth and the team thought he was worth.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: And obviously you've now avoided that problem. He's no longer
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: with the team, et cetera. But then the question becomes
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: and it's not a question for today necessarily, but it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: a question for the team to answer down the road,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: what does Kyante George need to do this year in
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: order for Kyante George and his representation to go to
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz next year and be like, all right,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: now it's time to pay us thirty million plus per
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: year very much.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he drives winning. Kante George had a tremendous year
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: last year. The maturity factor kicked in where he shot
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: the ball at a rhythm which is commendable, and that
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: also that he's past happy, so when he drives in
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: the lane and penetrates. His third season in the NBA,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: he was able to make better decisions. Usually speaking, when
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: your NBA player, that the game slows down as you
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: enter your third or fourth year, where you realize how
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: fast the recovery of the defensive players are and that
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: you see things much earlier and make better choices with
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: the ball.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: What are some of the choices?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Pull up, jump shot, kick it out to the corner
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: short lo pache, the short corner spacer on the baseline.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: So Kiante George has done that, and also his shooting
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: has gotten dramatically better and he's more verbal defensively.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Now that's the issue.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: He's got to be more of a junkyard dog defender
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: where he's going to use his chest and uses up
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: uses hands more without dramatically over fouling, but do a
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: better job of ball containing. And that's all Jazz players,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: but also as many players in the NBA as far
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: as everybody the ability to guard the ball, which we
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: call GUARDI yard meaning three feet uh as the dribble
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: advances down the floor or in the scoring area. So
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: keante George can can do. That is enough talent and
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: his maturity as kicked in beautifully and that he's gonna
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to seeing play. He should have a
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: tremendous year in this fourth season in the NBA. Add
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: to that, when you're home grown, as far as the
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Jazz drafting you, they like all teams, they look at you,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: they look at you differently in a good way. Where
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: we drafted him a good faith. He has developed and
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: we're watching him very closely. And that you know player's personality.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: There's so much of giving a contract to a player
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: is based on what also slightly their personality is upbeat
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: or is he moody? And I'm sure it can't George,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: he's upbeat and that's all part of it. You never
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: want to pay somebody, Sean when the person's moody. I'll
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: put this race, Sean. If you're in the NBA or
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: in the NFL, Sean, if your quarterback or your point
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: guard is moody, everybody in the building is moody. Now,
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: everybody's moody in the building because he's the leader on
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the court, on the field.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And if that he's moody, Sean.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: The guys selling hot dogs in the twenty seventh row, Sean, Yo, man,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: want yo man?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: You want two dogs? The three dogs? He's moody.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Also, that guy gets moody now.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Sean, I'm exaggerating, No, I'm not.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: So.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: You never want to have a moody point guard. Never, Gordy.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Last time we had you on, you tease something and
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: then we talked about it. The Wilt Chamberlain warm up
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: jacket that was found out a goodwill paid three dollars
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: and seven cents for it, sold it for eighty nine
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: six hundred dollars back in the day, right things like that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Who knows how a Wilt Chamberlain warm up jacket from
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the NBA Finals ended up in a good will bin
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: in Seattle. But the fact that, I mean, how many
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: guys back in the day, the early days appreciated and understood,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the importance of their own uniform, their game,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: warn jersey, the ball from the game, like the memorabilia thing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Obviously it's become a huge part of the business now.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: But take me back to your early early days in
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: basketball and professional basketball.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Were guys paying attention to that kind of stuff.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: No, they were not, No, No, they were not. So
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Wilt Chamberlain is this was his force of nature. He
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: passed away back in nineteen ninety nine at age sixty three.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: He had this gold warm up jacket, so the Lakers
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: a woman jacket and it was gold and it was
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: really striking, and that it sold recently in an auction
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: for eighty nine thousand dollars And it's amazing, all right
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: in yesteryear, Sean. So for example, say call Malone. You
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: guys are so young that I'm talking to right now,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: But there's a thing called La Gear, remember there showing off. Yeah, okay,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: La gear had called Malone had had this had the
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: sneakers with the lights on the back of the heels.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: It was absolutely incredible cool to have them I have
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: a pair myself.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: So Joe Montana was also with La Gear.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, and that's probably as a kid,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: that's probably the coolest pair of shoes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I got got that right, absolutely, And so call had
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: these signature shoes. Now all players have them. But back then,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: this is the early nineties. This is like almost like
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: yester year. Right now it's twenty twenty six, So nineteen
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: ninety two and again that was the the Olympics of
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Barcelona Olympics in ninety two, and that's when the NBA
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: players played on it. However, what happened with the NBA
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: is that they banned the sneakers because it was the
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: action Sean, So Carl war them in games. He took
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: him out in the All Star Game as far as
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: as far as showing everybody that about the sneakers, But
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: the NBA did did ban it as far as playing
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: in regular season. But the best part about it, it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: still sold and so things like that, where that was
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: the first time ever there was that member. Bieler became
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: part of it and now it's absolutely multi billion dollar
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: business and it's absolutely great.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Sean.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Also a lot of times movie stars and rock musicians.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: So Jimmy Hendricks and those people, they're paraphernilia as far
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: as different things. It's most people will will spend millions
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: of dollars as far as having it, and that's what
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: makes the beauty of it. So Wilt went. Wilt sold
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: this right now and good for him. His legacy really incredible.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: What's your list today, Gordy well Less today? Sean is
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Utah Jazz players now New Orleans Jazz Utah Jazz All
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Star Game selections. How many jazz players both in Utah
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: and New Orleans were selected to the All Star Game,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: which is the midseason showcase contest. The following players here
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: have made one All Star team for the Jazz. They
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: are Truck Robinson, Ricky Green, Mike Conley, Mark Eaton, Andre Carolinko,
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: memont o'corp, Gordon Hayward, and Larry Markinen. And with Larry
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Markinen right on que we talked about him recently, is
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: that he made the All Star team back in twenty
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: twenty three. These next two players did it twice, Darren
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Williams and Carlos Boozer. The next four players did it
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: three times made the NBA All Star Game. They are Donovan, Mitchell,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: go Bear, Adrian Dantley, and Pete Marriage. The next player
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: did it ten times. John Stockton made the NBA All
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Star Game double digits, and the number one Utah Jazz
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: player to play in fourteen NBA All Star Games is
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Carl Malone. That's my list of today. Quickly, what about
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: the future Jazz players? You get the feeling that maybe
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: Keantae George can make an All Star team Sean, maybe
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Jaron Jackson who did it with the Memphis Grizzlies. Maybe
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Darren Peterson, maybe a Spelly. So there's people out there
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: that could make an All Star Game, and that's why
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: it's so critical with the young people.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: The expectation, right is that as Bailey and Darren Peterson
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: are eventual All Stars, you don't draft people in the
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: top five without expecting them to be future All Stars.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Right, That is correct, absolutely or quickly just in landscape,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: the most ever All Star Game of selections is right
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: on queue Lebron James twenty two times. He was voted
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: to the All Star in his twenty three seasons. Second
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: most ever All Star appearances is Kareem abdu Jabbar. He
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: did it nineteen times, and the last one. Kobe Bryant
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: third all time. He slicked to the to the NBA
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: All Star Game eighteen times, so the Lakers have all
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: three guys that play for them, beating lebron, Kareem and
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Kobe all the most ever All Star games, which shows
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: you the Lakers showing how elite franchise those guys are
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: with with so many championships, one behind the one behind
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: the Celtics of all time.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: We got some You sent me down a rabbit hole.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: La Gear.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, La Gear is still hanging on, just barely. Okay,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you can still buy some La Gear shoes. They got
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: some good stuff. I'm glad you tell me that we
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: might have to. We might have to what size the
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: shoe you wear, Gordon?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Ten or a half?
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: All right, we might have to. We might have to
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: get some show shoes. You know what I mean.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Gordian, You're the man. Thanks, thank you for coming into
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: the studio again.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks Shore and peace out.