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118. Freedom In The Church Series · 4-Freedom Podcast

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Welcome to the For Freedom podcast.
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I found my freedom in you. I found a joy I can't lose.
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Thank God it's true. You wrapped your arms around me
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and heaven broke through. From the moment she found me, I
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found my freedom in. This podcast exists to bring the
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freedom of the gospel for everyday Christians with
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everyday issues. Now here are your hosts, James
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Seyfried and Brett Martin. Welcome back to the For Freedom
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Podcast. We've got some great things
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planned for you today. We've got some great things
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coming up in the next few weeks that we're just excited about.
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I can't wait to share those with you today, But man, we've just
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been loving life and doing church and doing ministry and
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preaching the gospel and just loving every minute of serving
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the Lord. But James, what's what's going
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on over in your neck of the woods?
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Man, yeah, we are doing well. Of course we're still getting
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settled in in our new church and man loving first of the year.
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We've preached through our mission statement the first week
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of the year and the last couple weeks we've been talking about
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our core values and so we're spending about 3-2 to three
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weeks on each core values. So we're in core value #1, which
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is glorify God, which I think is where we should start all of our
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lives at. And so it just helps our church
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know where we're at. And so we're preaching through
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what it means to glorify God through worship, through prayer,
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our first couple of weeks on that and then we'll be going
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into growing together in a couple of weeks.
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And so, man, we are pumped and excited about that.
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I'll tell you what. Tell me.
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Let me let me tell you something that I did yesterday.
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Yesterday. I'm in my office reading through
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my sermon. I'm preparing it and before I go
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out to preach, I have a few minutes before I go out and
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start shaking hands where I look through my phone and I'm looking
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through my phone and there's a live going and it's for Pleasant
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Grove Baptist Church and I open it up and I see old James up
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there leading the music. So the thing about it is, is
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that when you sing on those Facebook lives, it isolates the
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vocals. So it's like James is singing
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solo and man, you've got some good pipes on you, you know, you
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know, you've got some, you know, I don't, I don't think that old
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Simon Cowell would hit his X button for you.
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So, you know, I think you're doing a good job up there
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pulling double duty. Yeah, I appreciate it.
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We, our music lady, she is having a little bit of health
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problems and so she asked me if she could take the month of
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January off. And so at first I'm like, no,
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but it's hard for me to tell someone who's not getting paid
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or anything, Hey, no, you have to be here.
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And so the last couple of weeks I have led music, led the choir,
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we've had choir practice. I'm not a singer by any means.
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But man, Brett, I'm telling you the last couple of weeks I've
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LED music and I told my wife, I said singing for 1020 minutes,
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15 minutes. As you lead through that, I said
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you're using different part of your vocal cords for then when
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you turn around to preach, I said I feel like I'm just
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yelling sometimes and I get done.
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It's like I don't even have a voice.
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Like I get done preaching and I come down, we have our
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invitation time response and that that that those couple of
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minutes there, my voice rest and then I go to talk again and my
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voice cracks and it's like I'm raspy.
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It's like my voice held up while I was preaching and speaking and
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then I got done. It was like boom, nothing.
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Like, I don't have a voice left anymore, so it's been
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interesting. I I did it for six years at my
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last church. For six years I was the pastor
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and the song director and brother.
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I definitely can sympathize, sympathize with you because
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sometimes you just you strain your voice so much and then you
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got to get up there and preach and it it's definitely not fun.
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Yeah. So it's been great.
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We've been having a good time with that and you know for me
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it's I'm able to curtail the music a little bit more because
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I know what I'm preaching so I'm, I'm developing those musics
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along with it. So we're we're we're geared the
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worship service toward it. So I've enjoyed doing that.
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But I I will look forward to when someone else is able to
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step in and and lead so I don't have to.
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But yeah, it's been great. It's been cold these last couple
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of weeks. It's been a great time and
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church is doing well. I appreciate you listening and
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tuning in on my message there and I've I've loved your little
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clips that you put out from your church there, Rocky Point and
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but man the church is doing well.
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We're seeing we had two first time guests this past week on a
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down Sunday when it was cold. You've you've gotten some ice.
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We haven't gotten any ice it's just been cold.
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No snow or anything, just really cold.
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But we've had a little bit of sickness come through our house
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and also in the church. So we've seen some some ups and
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downs as far as as numeric people go.
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But it's been been great and I think we're getting some good
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response from our core values and our mission statement and so
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really, really excited about that.
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You know that we don't get paid to do the for Freedom podcast.
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This is sort of a side hobby. So, so pastoring and preaching
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is our our main thing. And so being able to see lives
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changed. I got a lady that Brett, you'll
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like this, that came to me Sunday after I got done
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preaching. She hung around afterwards.
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She's had some marriage problems.
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She's left her husband, her husband left her, I don't know
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the whole story. She's got a couple of kids and
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she came to me afterwards and she said, hey, pastor, she said
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I want to get baptized. She said I've never, never
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followed the Lord and believers baptism and I'm like, dude, I'm
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stoked. It's awesome, like lives are
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being affected and it's just been great.
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So I I I figured you'd appreciate that too.
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Dude, that's that's awesome, bro.
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That's, that's what we're in it for.
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That's what we're here to do. I as well, in the month of
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January am introducing a new mission statement, vision
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statement to the church, and we've been preaching through it
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through the month of January. I think things have been good,
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man. We had a really, really
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yesterday. I mean the the house was packed
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and we had a lot of people there.
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I had one of my deacons get up and you know, it was Sanctity of
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Life Sunday for our convention. And so I had one of my deacons
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get up. He's the assistant chairman.
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He's also teaches our teenagers and talked for about 5 minutes
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on Sanctity of life. And man did an awesome job.
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So great. Bruce did an awesome, awesome
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job. He's been a school teacher for
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for years and years and years. But he loves the Lord and Manny,
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he did a great job. We had a good response from the
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message and one of the things we're doing at our church that
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I'm really excited about is we're starting to praise band
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and we're we're we're getting that together.
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We've got some, we've got players we need singers.
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We've got some singers that we're going to audition soon
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that are don't attend our church but our friends to our church.
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And we're thinking maybe doing this on like Friday, Saturday
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nights have like, you know, youth meet explosions and you
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know, maybe every quarter or so have the praise team do do a
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contempt service. And I'm excited about what
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that's going to bring in for the church.
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And we're expanding, we're expanding our fellowship hall,
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getting a bigger kitchen, bigger deck, bigger bathrooms and it,
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you know, we're just expanding because we, we don't have the
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room. We've grown to the point where
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we just don't have the room anymore and we got to get bigger
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and that's a that's a good problem to have.
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It is. So I'm just excited about what
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the Lord's got for us and I'm just excited about church.
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Man, I love church. You know, I've went to church
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from the time I was 1213 years old.
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My mom took me sporadically before that, but man, from the
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time I was 12/13 I just went to church every week and that I
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love church. I love my church family, I love
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being around the people in church, and I just don't know
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what my life would be without the body of Christ.
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That's fantastic. Same here.
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You know, I I've been going to church since I was a baby.
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I think I shared a couple weeks ago where I was born on a
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Thursday and begin going to church on a Sunday.
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And so I've been in church my whole life.
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I remember there's a picture of me when our church was running
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the bus ministry of me in a car seat and my mom driving the bus
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and my dad leading the bus program on the bus there.
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And I'm a I'm a bus kid as a kid in a car seat.
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And so the church again, yeah, it's, it's my life.
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It's everything. My family's in it.
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We talked about that yesterday in our message of just serving
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as a family and having that family worship, which leads us
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right into where we're going to be going over the next month or
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so, which is in the church. We're going to do a series of in
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the church and what that looks like.
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We're titling it freedom in the church.
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And as we look through we're going to be discussing several
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different topics. We're we're discussing topics
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such as abuse. We'll be talking about worship
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and music in the church. We're going to be talking about
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dress in the church. One of our Brett, our very most
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listened to episode. You may not know this, you don't
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get the analytics, but is our episode we did on modesty and
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it's gotten thousands of downloads and people still go
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and listen to that episode. It's one of our most listened to
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every single month. And so we're going to be
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discussing modesty again, but that was a specific women
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modesty. We're going to be discussing it
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as far as dress for men and women, the service and structure
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in the church translations, as far as the Bible, preaching
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styles and several several different other topics.
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As we begin to just talk through what is the church, how does the
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church function and how do we have freedom in the church.
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Brett, why, why don't you talk a little bit about that?
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Because I think often times in our life we do church the way
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we've always done church or the way we were told the church is
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supposed to be done. And as we begin to grow in our
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faith and we're in a different style or different county or
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different state churches done differently.
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You know I I I was raised in a in a pretty metropolitan area
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and so it wasn't huge by any means but rural church where I'm
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at now in a very rural country family style church is done very
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differently than the way I was raised.
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And so we're beginning to see and having to adapt the way we
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do ministry. But often times that can be a
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downfall or a hindrance to us when we come to worship, because
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we expect it to be done a certain way.
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And so tell us a little bit about your experience and about
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what your thoughts are as we go into the series.
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Well, you know, of course, growing up in, you know,
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legalistic churches that we attended and I attended, you
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know, everybody did church the same way.
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It was the same thing. And then there were little
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differences here and there. Like, for instance, my church
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growing up, they would stand up and shake hands while the piano
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played handshake in time. And, you know, I didn't see that
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in some of the other churches I went to.
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But for the most part, church in our circle of fundamentalism was
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always done the same. And if you strayed from that, if
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you went outside of that box, you were wrong.
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You, you're not doing church the way it used to be done.
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You're not doing church the way it was done back in the 1950s.
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And you're a Sinner and a compromiser.
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And I knew coming out of that that I wanted to change.
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I wanted to do something different.
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But my thing is, is I didn't know how.
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I didn't know how to do church difference.
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So when I left my IFB church and went and pastored my First
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Southern Baptist church, I only knew how to do church one way.
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So I just did church the way I had always done it and kind of
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started to turn my little Southern Baptist church into a
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little mini Independent Baptist Church because I didn't know any
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other way to do church. One of the one of the biggest
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things that it took for me to get used to one of the hardest
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hurdles that we had to kind of get past was when I took this
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new church. They did not have a Sunday night
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service. And then just the guilt and the
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shame that we experienced for not having a Sunday night
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service. And I remember getting to that
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church and thinking our first Sunday night, man, we got to go
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to church somewhere. So we went to the closest
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Independent Baptist Church to us and we used to went there a
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couple Sunday nights. We started jumping around and
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going to different church on Sunday nights.
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And even though our church didn't have a Sunday night
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service, we would still go to church on Sunday nights.
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Until I came to the point where I was like, OK, let's just,
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let's just stay home. Let's just try it.
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And So what we did is we stayed home from church and we didn't
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go to church on Sunday night. And the feeling was so weird
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because you know, three to three to thrive.
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Man. Sunday morning, Sunday night,
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Wednesday night, that's what you need to be a good Christian.
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And I remember that first night we stayed home, it was a little
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awkward. But then the next night, then
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the next week and the next week, that time not going to Sunday
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night church. Just that family time, did more
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to bring our family together. And you know, I was working a
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lot. I was working 50-60 hours a
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week, and so my wife was working and she, she was homeschooling
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the kids and so and we're also doing church stuff, so we're
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busy going every day. We had something to do.
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So that time we had as a family on Sunday nights together,
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playing a board game, watching a movie, going to a restaurant,
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just doing things together, did more for my marriage and more
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for our family as a whole. That that gave it really.
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It gave us healing because when we come out of the IFB, we were
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hurt, we had been run over, we had been verbally abused and
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spiritually abused, and we had been put through the wringer to
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the point where I almost lost my faith over this.
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And then those Sunday nights, just spending time with my
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family, getting the word of God in the morning and then at night
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having that family time. Man, it did so much to heal our
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family and really so much to bring us closer to God than
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anything else we experienced during that time.
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And then it would that experience my first church out
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of the Independent Baptist Church.
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It was just a learning curve of trying to learn the right way to
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do things and the right way to process things and get out of
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this mentality that there's only one way to do it.
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And if you don't do it this way, it's not right.
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And that's why I'm excited about this series, because this is
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what I needed when I came out of legalism.
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I needed this type of series, the process, what I had been
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through and to explore the correct way to do it moving
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forward and what's the right way to proceed in church.
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And so I'm just excited about this series and I'm ready for it
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because like I said when I came out of it, this is something
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that I desperately needed. Absolutely.
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One of the things that we're so looking forward to, I know me
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personally, is we've got some stellar interviews lined up.
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We've got Bob Coughlin coming on here in a couple of weeks.
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Some of you may not know who that is.
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He's part of Sovereign Grace Music, just a fantastic worship
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guy and done a lot of seminars and teaching and preaching on
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worship. Jim New Heiser in a couple of
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weeks will be coming on, but Brett, one of our got off the
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phone with this young man. I'm going to call him a young
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man got the phone off the phone with him just a couple of days
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ago and that we were talking about our episode.
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I haven't even shared this with you.
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And it's Brian Edwards and he's going to come on and he's going
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to talk through the evolution of church with Hope Church.
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It's a Hope Church started out as blessed Hope Baptist Church
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and they went to Hope Baptist Church and then they went to
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Hope Church and the evolution of how that formed and how that
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moved with the changing of them evolving and them growing and
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knowing how to do things. I'm so excited about him sharing
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that with us because it's going to help us to see that things
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don't always have to be the way, quote UN quote, the way we've
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always been told it should be done.
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And you know, as you were sharing my mind went to the old
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story illustration of the the young lady that was cooking a
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roast. And she chopped off the the
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front and back into the roast and put it in the pan.
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Then put the pan in the oven. I mean chopped off a couple of
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pounds of meat and and put it into the oven and begin cooking
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it. And one day the grandma was over
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there and she said, what are you doing?
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And she said, well, this is the way my mom taught me.
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She said this is the way you taught her.
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And she said, well, I did that because our oven was too small,
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the roast wouldn't fit in and so I had to chop the ends off of
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the the roast. And so now it was, this is the
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way mom told me to do it. And so I've got to do it that
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way. But when grandma came over,
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she's like, no, if I had a bigger oven, I wouldn't be
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chopping the ends off. But so often it's because it was
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done 506080 years ago. Well, then it has to be done
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this way now, when in reality we need to get back to the way the
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New Testament church operated and do church that way.
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And so I'm so looking forward to some of these topics, some of
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these interviews that we've got lined up with men and women that
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are just going to be fantastic assets to us and to learn from.
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And I've shared this often and I'm, I really appreciate that
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you said it, Brett, because we do feel like sometimes we're on
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an island when we come out of legalism, when we come out of
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what we were at. And these are episodes that are
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going to help us as we move forward in any stage or or
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situation that you're in, in the church.
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Some of you may be, you know, questioning church altogether.
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Should I even be in church? Is church even a a thing that I
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should be in? And so this helps us to
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understand, helps us to process things, helps us to verbalize
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some things that we're in. And that's what we hope you're
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going to enjoy this. We hope you'll share some of
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these episodes that help you with other people.
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And man, we're so looking forward to what we've got going
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on. One thing, that another thing
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that I thought of that we need to talk about, and I don't know
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if this is on the list. If it's not, we can put it on
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there. But it's different forms of
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outreach. You know, when we're, you know,
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sometimes Independent Baptist churches, we have this idea door
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knocking, door knocking, door knocking, door knocking, door
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knocking is the only way to do it.
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And don't get me wrong, as a pastor you should be knocking
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doors. As a pastor, you should go door
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to door, you should go house to house.
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You should invite people. I'm not saying don't do that,
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but that's not the end all and be all.
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That's not the only way to do it and it's definitely not the best
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way to do it. There are other options.
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One of the things we're doing in our church in the next couple
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months is we're actually starting an outreach team.
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And this is going to be people in our church that are going to
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going to. We're going to get together with
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me and we're going to talk about different, you know, brainstorm
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on different ideas. We're going to innovate and try
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to think of different ways we can reach our community, how we
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can implement those, how we can carry them out.
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And I'm excited about it. I mean, I know when we go to,
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when we go to the for the Sake of the Gospel conference, this
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coming November, me and you are going to start a bus route at J
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CS Church. You know, we're going to, you
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know, get out there and you know, we're going to be. 1000%
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We're going to be drink eating goldfish and we're going to have
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world largest ice cream sundae in one week and we're going to
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get him a bus route going. So he, you know, he'll he'll
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need to get ACDL or get right with God.
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Absolute 100% we are doing that and so hopefully John will be
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there too to help us and you can help us.
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You can maybe start best bus number 2 as we start bus route
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#1 and so it's going to be. Great.
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We're number one, We're. Number one.
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That's right. That's right.
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But yeah, we're excited. Hey, I just added outreach to
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the list of topics as well. Maybe you've got a list.
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Maybe you've got an idea of something that you would like
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for us to talk about. Leave us a message.
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You can reach out to us on our social media websites.
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You can reach out to us on our e-mail.
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And you can let us know some things that you would like for
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us to talk about through some areas that you've had questions
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about and that you would like us to dissect a little bit more.
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And so, Brett, any any final thoughts before we wrap up the
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episode? I got a question for you.
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I just kind of thought of can you name, I know you may watch
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other church services or you know other people can you name
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just like a church service that you watch that you're just like
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man, that's kind of that's kind of the way church needs to be
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run. And not saying you want to copy
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that verbatim but just thinking man, that's just a great way to
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do church. And I'll go first, give you time
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to think. And I think that that's Matt
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Dudley's church, you know, The Ridge in Sullivan, MO.
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You know, I watched the way he does church from time to time.
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And man, I think that that's just, he's got a great thing out
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there. He's got a great ministry, his
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preaching, the music, the atmosphere that they've created
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at The Ridge. I want to give a shout out to
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him and his church. They just got a new building.
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I pray for that ministry because I've been there a couple times.
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Matt's a good friend of mine, and I really think they're doing
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a great job out there at The Ridge.
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And I wouldn't, you know, encourage anyone to just get on
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Facebook and go watch one of their services and it'll just
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blow you away. What's going on out there in
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Sullivan, MO? Do you have any pastors or
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churches that maybe from time to time you look up and watch and
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think, man, that's just that's just a great way to do church.
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Yeah, I'll mention two One will be a place called Nebo Crossing
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Bob Ritter. I like listening to him.
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I like his style of preaching. It's it's very I would say
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informal but he's he's a great communicator And then his
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worship there my sister in law's and the worship team and just
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doing some great things up in North Carolina.
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The other one that I would say we mentioned it a little bit but
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Hope Church the thing that I I so love about what Brian's doing
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and with Hope Church and you know we were in the talks of
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even possibly helping out with that me and my wife and being a
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part of one of those church plants but it Lord didn't see
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fit and so we're just continuing to serve him.
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But one of the things that I loved when we were looking at it
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is each one of the Hope church locations are completely
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different than the other one. It's not this plug and play.
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You're going to do it this way and you're going to go in and
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and Brian said like this. He said each one of them are
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different because we use the skill sets that are at each one
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of them. He said that at my location we
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may have a full praise team, drums, electric guitar, you
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know, an acoustic guitar, he said.
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But you know, maybe over at Roxburgh or at Thomasville or
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one of the other locations, they are more of a rural country
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style church and they've got a banjo, an acoustic guitar and a
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Cajon. And they said the style of
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worship is completely different. The way they teach is completely
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different. And I think that's what what
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what is so important in ministry is that we figure out what works
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for us. We figure out the skill set that
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God has gifted that specific church at and then lean into
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that. You may not have an electric
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guitar player. You may not have a a a drummer,
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but you may have someone that can beat a box drum.
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And so you give them their, their tools and you allow that
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to happen. And you may have a person that
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can play a banjo or a Kanjan or whatever it may be and all of a
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sudden you begin to build your worship around the the people
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and the gifts that God's given you in that area.
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And I think that's what's so appealing to what Brian's doing
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because he's not saying, OK, we're going to be a hope church
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and this is what you need to look like.
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You need to look like what we're doing in Danville, he says.
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This is Hope Church, and it's going to look like what Hope
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Church looks like in that area. And I think it's we would be
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wise to figure out what our area looks like and begin to build
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our church around what that looks like in our community.
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The church at Philippi was completely different to this
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church at Galatia and the church at Colossae and the church at
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all these other places. They were all different.
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Paul wrote a different letter to each of them because they have
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their own strengths and weaknesses that they needed to
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be addressed. John, in the Book of Revelation,
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each one of those seven churches got a different letter from
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Jesus because Jesus knew that each one of them needed
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different correction or different encouragement.
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The church at Philippa or the church at Philadelphia was not a
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was not going to benefit from the letter from Laodicea because
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they were a two different churches that were struggling in
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two different areas. And so for me, that would be
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what I would encourage people to do, is begin to to look around
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and see the the strengths and weaknesses in your own
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community. Absolute, Absolutely.
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That is such a good word. It's something that we need to
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take into consideration that, you know, it's just not all
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cookie cutter, it's just not all, you know, the same thing.
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We're different as individuals. Just like, you know, each
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individual is different and has their own.
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I talked about yesterday, I talked about church being a big
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potluck and how each person brings their own dish.
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And by that dish, by itself, it doesn't make a meal.
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But you know, but not, you know, not every.
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We put all those dishes together and you get a church.
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And now it's going to be different every time.
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You're not always going to have the same items, but not
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everybody's going to bring string beans.
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Somebody's going to bring a meat, somebody's going to bring
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a side, somebody's going to bring a dessert.
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But man, when it all comes together, it works in perfect
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harmony. And it it's different.
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It's unique and that's what's great about it.
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And we don't need to strive. You just all be this same church
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that were stamped out that we learned in some Bible college
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somewhere that, you know, I wrote this book on how to do
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church and you need to do church just this way.
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You know, I'll even call it a manual.
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But you you need to you need to do church this way.
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And if you're not doing church this way, it's wrong.
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No churches, churches, uniques churches are different.
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And it it's OK to celebrate those differences.
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And we don't all need to be the same, and we don't need to be
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put off by other churches that are different than ours.
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We need to celebrate those differences because we're all
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part of the family of Christ. Do you mean to tell me that
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you're putting out a A Martin Church manual here soon?
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Absolutely, yes it is. It is.
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It is in the works. Love it.
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Love that you know it. What I love about that even
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more, Brett, is that it's going to have Martin Church Manual.
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It's not going to be Jesus Church Manual.
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It's not going to be the New Testament church manual.
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It's going to be named after your last name.
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And that's probably the most important thing that we do when
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it comes to churches is put our name on it, not Lord or or God
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or anything else. It makes sense.
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And I'm also going to require our to read it on tape and
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record themselves, mail it in so I can make sure that they they
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read it. Good man.
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Love that, love that. So I hope you hope you guys are
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