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Unlock Your DNA: Dr. Tyler Panzner on Personalized Health, Genetics and Medicine · The Arise with Anita Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Rise with Anita podcast, the space where soulmate strategy and dreams are no longer optional.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Anita Carlin First, a transformational mindset coach, and founder of the Hub Episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll hear a mix of solo episodes for me and interviews with soul-driven leaders, the best in their field, who live what they teach and rise by example.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each conversation is a callus for your next breakthrough.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not broken, you're breaking through.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's go ahead and rise together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Rise with Anita podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: On today's episode, I have the honor of welcoming Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler Panzner, a doctor, teacher, and healer whose work is transforming the way we understand health and human potential.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler is known for bridging the gap between modern medicine and holistic healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through his integrative approach, he helps people identify the root cause of the imbalance and create sustainable change in their bodies and lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: His work is grounded in science, yet deeply attuned to emotional and energetic layers that influence the true well-being with the background and functional medicine and a passion for personal growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler has guided countless individuals to reconnect with their bodies, regulate their nervous systems, and step into greater alignment with who they are meant to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: In our conversation today, we will be exploring what it really means to heal, not just physically, but mentally and spiritually, and how we can cultivate more vitality, clarity, and purpose with our everyday lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: So please join me in welcoming Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kyler on the Arise with Anita podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_05: And it's funny, I'll give everyone a quick backstory, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: So we met at a networking event last year.
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  SPEAKER_05: We said we were gonna do this.
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  SPEAKER_05: This year.
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  SPEAKER_05: No, no, I'm saying, oh yeah, sorry, earlier this year.
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  SPEAKER_05: God, yeah, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_05: So earlier in the spring.
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  SPEAKER_05: But so we met, we said we're gonna do the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_05: Then we ran into each other a couple like a week or so ago at another conference, and you let me know, like, hey, I DM'd you, didn't hear back, and I was like, oh my god, I didn't check your DM.
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  SPEAKER_05: So here we are now doing the podcast that we said we were going to do after we first met, after our second time meeting.
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  SPEAKER_05: So better late than never.
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  SPEAKER_05: Really excited to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know all into my timing.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_01: But before we dive in, I always start off with what is bringing you joy in this current moment?
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  SPEAKER_05: What is bringing me joy in this current moment?
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  SPEAKER_05: What's been bringing me joy is really focusing more on my personal brand.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I live on Long Island, New York, so summer, a lot of fun, beach, this and that, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: It's not like you're not working in the summer, but it's been good the past few months to really kind of hunker down a bit.
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  SPEAKER_05: I like the seasons and I don't love the long New York winters, but the one positive of that is kind of having an off-season where most of the stuff I like doing is like outside at the beach and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it's been really good to not have much of that temptation.
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  SPEAKER_05: And it's interesting realizing, right, when you're really, you know, having a chill weekend and working throughout the weekend, there's a lot of time on the weekends, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: That if you're doing other things, right, you don't get to capitalize on.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it's been bringing me joy to hunker down a bit and keep that consistent flow because sometimes if I'm out doing stuff for a whole weekend, two days goes by, you're spending half a Monday trying to pick up where you left off, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: Rather than just staying in the groove.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's basically rebuilding momentum for you right now.
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  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm one of those people I could focus very deeply, but I can be prone to be easily distracted with things.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it's not even working 12-hour days, Saturday and Sundays, but even just have doing a couple of hours of work on Saturday, do some laundry, a couple hours of work on Sunday, and then hang out and chill a bit.
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  SPEAKER_05: But for me, I noticed having the consistent where I'm doing some sort of work each day to stay in it mentally, like you mentioned, to keep that momentum going.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that for once it's a little different.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times it's about that taking the moment to slow down.
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  SPEAKER_01: For you, it's like balancing the moment of slowing down with being not pause.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_05: Trying to keep make sure things are moving, even if there doesn't mean it has to be a crazy bleed through your eyes, work or grind seven days a week, but just keeping that momentum going so you don't have to spend, like I said, half of that Monday pushing the boulder to get the boulder moving again.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's just ever so slightly been moving throughout the weekend.
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  SPEAKER_05: So you don't feel like you gotta pick up where you left off and play catch up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love your answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that you're in this like season of like momentum because I feel like I'm in the same kind of like building phase right now where it's just like I don't want to be off.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I just got back from New York last Thursday because I extended out my trip.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, it was like, oh, I cannot wait.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have so many ideas and wheels turning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, how can I start just diving in and taking this into its next level and its expansiveness?
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's fun to see there's that mirroring going on.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, both entrepreneurs, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: We're trying to do what we can, and it's like it's we gotta remember how fortunate we are.
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  SPEAKER_05: What was the saying I saw?
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, sometimes when I feel stressed, overwhelmed, I try to remember how fortunate are we to be fighting a battle of our own choosing.
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  SPEAKER_05: A lot of people, you know, they go to their job each day and they may not love it, and they, you know, it's not something they're specifically choosing.
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  SPEAKER_05: They're being told what to do, which hey, some people thrive in that scenario, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: Not everyone needs to be an entrepreneur, not everyone needs to be an employee, but trying to remember how lucky we are to be struggling or overwhelmed trying to slay a dragon of our own choosing, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: Like we chose to be in this position and it's our battle to fight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you just led me to a beautiful starting point, which is can you take us back to the beginning of what first inspired you to get into medicine?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we can dive from there into how you decided to go into the entrepreneurship world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because when I heard your story, you and I I remember just looking at you right as we were talking along the elevators, going, Holy crap, this is chilling because it was like the same element brought us to the same point.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I always loved science.
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  SPEAKER_05: I always love asking why with things, trying to figure out what I wanted to do for college.
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  SPEAKER_05: I didn't, ironically enough, I didn't want to be working directly with people.
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  SPEAKER_05: I didn't want to be a regular medical doctor.
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  SPEAKER_05: I didn't want people yelling at me for not getting their medications right or this or that.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I really loved cells and the microbiology side of things.
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  SPEAKER_05: So my major was in cell molecular biology.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it wasn't so much getting prepped for medical school, but halfway through college trying to figure out what I wanted to do, I always loved supplements.
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  SPEAKER_05: I always loved how if I wanted to jack myself up a bit before the gym, or if I wanted to give myself some more dopamine before I went out with friends.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's supplements that I could take that within 10, 20, 30 minutes, it literally changes how I experience reality.
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  SPEAKER_05: It'll give me a better mood, more focus, or could calm myself down.
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  SPEAKER_05: So the fact that I could change my own reality at will with natural things to put in my body always really fascinated me.
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  SPEAKER_05: So, long story short, ended up discovering what pharmacology was.
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  SPEAKER_05: So that's the study of how substances affect the human body, whether it's drugs, medications, natural supplements, even mindset, you know, that affects how our cells behave too.
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  SPEAKER_05: Ended up doing a PhD in pharmacology right out of undergrad and did some work with the brain, depression research, multiple sclerosis research.
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  SPEAKER_05: Ended up doing my thesis work on breast cancer, metastasis, cancer biology background as well.
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  SPEAKER_05: But trying to figure out what I wanted to do afterwards, my career path, I was trained to do experiments with mice.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, I give mice a cancer and I kind of dissect the tumors, or I'm doing all the test tube stuff, or growing the cells in the petri dish.
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  SPEAKER_05: I was the guy in the lab coat with the goggles on.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I did love, I do love that.
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  SPEAKER_05: I still miss that.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I that's when I got interested in genetics, was able to really help my long-term anxiety, brain fog, headache, and sleep issues by figuring out my certain genes that break down adrenaline, that fight or flight neurotransmitter.
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  SPEAKER_05: It works a lot slower for me.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's what makes me very go, go, go.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_05: I'm very type A.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm very extroverted.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have a lot of dopamine at all the all at all times, but I also can't handle adrenaline very well.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I'm prone to overthinking.
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  SPEAKER_05: I can't watch scary movies because I'll be very like jumpy with things.
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  SPEAKER_05: Around 40% of people have this mutation.
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  SPEAKER_05: So if you're really prone to overthinking, it can be that your brain, that little worker, that gene in your body, that DN, that genetic code, that worker can't work as well.
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  SPEAKER_05: So instead of that worker breaking down adrenaline and dopamine eight hours a day, it only does it two hours a day for me.
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  SPEAKER_05: So ended up working for a company that did genetic testing.
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  SPEAKER_05: But that's when I started doing my own personal brand and just educating people around supplements, educating people, starting to work with people one-on-one with genetics to help my other people just how I help myself.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_05: That is going to be, we're actually coming up on next week's my birthday.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_05: We're coming up on three years since I got thank you.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna be turning 33, and it's gonna be three years since I got laid off from my corporate job.
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  SPEAKER_05: And I had to decide what am I gonna do with my life?
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  SPEAKER_05: Do I get another corporate job or do I go all in the business I was building?
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  SPEAKER_05: Ended up going all in on it, and best decision I ever made.
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  SPEAKER_05: Here we are now.
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  SPEAKER_05: I've worked with over 800 people at this point.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, we could talk more about the science, but I'm really specializing in your genetics.
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  SPEAKER_05: What nutrients does your body crave?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_05: And what nutrients does your body hate?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_05: I do help with people with mental health.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_05: I help people with gut issues, I help people with hormone issues, I help people with fertility because I don't specialize in just one specific issue.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_05: I help figure out what nutrients your cells do and don't need so they can be healthy.
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  SPEAKER_05: And happy cells make happy, healthy people.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: So that kind of brings us to where we are now, and it's been an absolutely wild ride.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_05: Can't believe it's been almost three years to date now.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I still cannot believe the fact the timeliness of when you told me your story because I was frustrated.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, I want to say I was already laid off three, three and a half, four weeks, something like that.
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  SPEAKER_05: This is when we first met.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we first met.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, I'm just gonna go all in, whatever.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the irony of that was the fact that you had gotten laid off at 30, and that was the lovely age that I got my first layoff experience, and I was just like, who wouldn't go back to Cruford after dessert?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I'm still like in awe is just because how many times do we think like when you're in that moment of like pre-layoff?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't actually do it, or I can't take this thing into my own.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Call it like movement, but when you finally have that like space to actually get out of the corporate, I don't want to call it binding, but like out of that environment, you end up realizing oh, maybe the there was more of a world of potential for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think that there was such a beauty in the way that we connected over that because I remember just looking at each other, oh wait, our stories are identical, like almost to a T, especially with how we met Crank in the medical lot.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so I was just like, there's something very special here, and the more I like started following along your content, and the more I realized how yeah, you're helping people, I was just like, wow, he's incredible.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because for me, I've been I don't want to call it like medically averse to like normal medicine, but I have a little bit of that like aversion of like a little I mean let's just call it how it is.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of people, especially after the pandemic, right?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of people are waking up, right?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_05: And that's coming from someone that I was trained not as a medical doctor, but as a PhD scientist, right?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like I study, like I'm an expert in how medications affect the human body and how to research them, right?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_05: And it's I don't go so far as saying, you know, we need to just get rid of big pharma entirely.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_05: Listen, I personally think, in my expert opinion, I think a lot of these medications we use are very overutilized, but some people still need antidepressants, some people still need these anxiety medications or these blood pressure medications, but I believe for a large proportion of them, the right natural things, the right lifestyle changes.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_05: So it's I'm totally with you.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: And it's you don't even have to be too tongue-in-cheek about it nowadays.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_05: There's so many people now are very vocal, but I like to tell people listen, if we didn't have big pharma right now, you would die from a scraped knee because we don't have antibiotics.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: So it's as much as I left the conventional side, because I don't agree with a lot of it, there's still a lot of deep wisdom there that we need to marry in the right context.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm totally with you there.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: It's I like to tell people if you're trying to be the healthiest you can be, conventional medicine isn't built for that.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_05: Conventional medicine is to keep the very, very sick and dying people alive another day or alive another week.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: And guess what?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_05: If that's what you're looking for, don't come to me.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_05: If you're in a car accident or if you're like bleeding out, or if you have a real true medical emergency, I'm not the doctor you want to go and work with.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_05: So it's time and place for different healthcare professionals.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I think there's less and less people that are they're all in on just conventional medicine and the regular doctor because they kind of just are sick and tired of being sick and tired.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm definitely so I got very into getting your labs done this year.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: And at the beginning of this year, I was finding myself in a place of burnout.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: But like from a physical standpoint.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not whatever was mentally going on with work at that point.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I had done labs and they were like, girl, you need to get yourself to a doctor.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: You need some iron infusions, or you're like a hair away from basically needing a blood transfusion.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Wow, what?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And they were just like, Do you realize your ferritin levels are at a I think it was like an eight or a seven?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_05: An eight?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, yeah, that's low.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was wow.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they were just like, How are you not like how do you operate?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, I don't know.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: I just let me ask you this if you don't mind me asking.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_05: Were you taking any any natural supplements?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-mm.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_05: I I asked that because, you know, one of the main, I guess, niches you could say that I cover is really educating around unknown side effects around natural supplements.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_05: So for example, supplements like resveratrol or curcumin or apigenin, these are supplements that are all over the place now, but they're marketed for inflammation or they're marketed for biohacking, but they also could pull iron out of your body.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: So I figured I would ask because a lot of people I work with, they'll have these iron issues and it's the natural supplements that they're taking.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_05: And it doesn't say that on the bottle.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_05: So that's why I figured I would ask.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_05: But so what'd you end up doing?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Did you have a lot of red meat, or like what'd you end up doing to try to end r resolve that?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_05: If you mind sharing, we're just around the topic.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mind.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to put you on the spot.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mind.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're being vulnerable here, I guess you could say it.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually went the route of because of how low it was, and I was eating red meat pretty consistently, like twice, maybe three times a week.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went the route of like, okay, let's go for the infusion because that's the quickest way to just get it up to where it needs to be.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Lo and behold, I found myself in the same position like a month ago.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I recognized the symptoms early on.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I did my blood work, I got the results, took a look at the whole thing, and I was I called my place up and I was like, hey, I need another round.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, Are you sure?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: We need to have someone check it out.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, sure, I'll send you the thing, but I guarantee you it's low.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then I get a call and they were like, We just ordered it.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you're right.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it went into this whole ordeal, but for me, I realized how important getting your labs done regularly is.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't know what's going on internally, you don't know why you're feeling the way you're feeling.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, how how much better how much better did you feel after the first infusion?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean pretty good.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I only did two before I came to New York.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, cool, I have energy to hear because otherwise I would have been feeling like a grand at nine.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a lot better.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And now as we're filming this, I have one last infusion left and I'm excited to get it done with.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So at what point for you though, was it starting to feel like traditional mess and wasn't the full picture or the full answer?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_05: Good question.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_05: From my personal experience, they they, as in doctors, wanted to put me on some anxiety medication, some sleep medication.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_05: And for me, it just it just didn't sit right with me that that was the first answer.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: I know there's a lot of natural supplements that could kind of help calm me down in the moment, right?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_05: But this is when actually I was looking into histamine issues.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: People hear of histamine, they think of allergies, and I thought I was having some sort of allergic reaction to things, and I was getting a lot of brain fog, anxiety.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_05: I wasn't sneezing, I wasn't having like a runny nose or hives, but I went to a local allergist.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: I had to go to five different allergists.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: The first four refused to test me.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_05: They told me, you don't have allergies, we're not gonna test you.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_05: So I really thought the reason why I had a lot of anxiety was because I had a lot of this histamine in my body from potential allergies.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_05: The fifth allergist finally tested me.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_05: And what do you know?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_05: I was severely allergic to peas and almonds.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_05: I ate them every day for lunch, and I was allergic to mice.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_05: I worked with them every day for almost six years in my PhD.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_05: So it was kind of like, screw you guys.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_05: You guys didn't want to go ahead and get me tested.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: When in reality, I was actually right.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_05: So they wanted to medicate me with anxiety medication, when in reality, I was having allergic reactions to foods and in my environment, and I was eating some of the wrong foods that raised my histamine.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_05: So that was a big aha for me that I was gonna be on a random medication just to turn my brain off when I was able to.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, genetically, I'm prone to stress, as I mentioned, right?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: So it's not like I'm this perfect guy all the time.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_05: I never get stressed, right?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_05: Stress is a part of life, but it's 80, 90% better than when it used to be.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_05: And that was a really big aha moment for me.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_05: You know, how many people just get thrown on these medications for their anxiety, their focus, their depression when it might just be high histamine in their body?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_05: And that's one of the things I educate people.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_05: People about a lot.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_05: High histamine is linked to depression.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_05: It's linked to anxiety.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's linked to ADHD.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_05: Doesn't mean a histamine is the only answer to everything, right?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_05: But that was a really big aha moment for me that conventional medicine is not even considering these other things.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I was I'm in grad school.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: I'm a PhD, I'm a PhD scientist in training.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like I went to my allergist and I know nothing about health and I spat and I spouted a bunch of BS, right?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_05: I had the documentation and the studies to back up what I was saying.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: They still just wanted to ignore me, right?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, no, we're not testing you, just take the medication.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you decided to go the route though of like, well, what are the other factors that are causing me to feel this way?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: And actually especially since you had the standpoint of like I know what I'm I what I've learned and what I've researched.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: You were able to kind of like, I don't want to call it fight it, but you were able to get your answers in a more clear-cut way than what the solution traditionally is, is just here's another pill, take it to feel better.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because to me, there's never just one cause of an issue.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_05: There's always many factors involved.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like when I work with people, it's not like, oh, we're gonna find one supplement that completely changes your life.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_05: Realistically, I love supplements, but it rarely works like that, right?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_05: You need to find a couple key nutrients that maybe you can't get through your diet as well or for your genetics and certain dietary changes.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_05: And we're not talking about just stop eating Burger King.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like if I eat garlic and onions or broccoli or Brussels sprouts, I get anxious, I get headaches, I get brain fog because I can't handle sulfur very well genetically.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_05: Now, does that mean that those foods are toxic?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_05: Of course not.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_05: But I've worked with so many people where it turns out the garlic or the onions are the cause of their anxiety or their brain fog or their headaches or their sleep issues.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_05: They're like, oh my God, like I never even knew this was a thing.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_05: But it doesn't mat it doesn't matter for everybody, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: This is where medicine gets it wrong.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_05: They want to find the one thing that fixes everyone's anxiety.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_05: What is the one pill that fixes everyone's ADHD?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: Everyone's a unique flavor, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_05: So rather than trying to find the one cure for everything, I like helping people figure out which flavor are you, right?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_05: And what things do you need to help with your unique flavor of whatever health or wellness thing you have going on.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love that because I always constantly find myself saying we have billions of people in the world with billions of personalities, and you no matter how similar one person might be to another, they're their own unique individual, but it's the same thing for the health.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And especially when we're thinking about it from a health standpoint, how often do you hear the aspect of people are how often do you hear?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, I my my screensaver went on.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_05: I got disconnected for a second.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: I think we're still recording though.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: We are still recording.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'll be sure to move I'll be I'll be sure to move my mouth.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry about that.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, did you did I leave the movie?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, we're good.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So how often do we hear like, oh, you get whatever it is genetically programmed?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, recently we've been noticing a pattern of like diabetes is in the family, so that's something I'm being very cautious of now.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: But type one or type two?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Depends on the person.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: So with my grandpa, we're still figuring it out.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: He was just recently diagnosed.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: But we've been able to manage him without really even putting him too much on his supplement that supplement medication.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the insulin.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, got it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, the other substantial got it.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_05: And like I'll give you an example there too, you know, like there are a lot of genetics linked to diabetes, type one or type two, right?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_05: But do these genetics guarantee things, right?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_05: They can increase the susceptibility, right?
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_05: So we can see how the body handles carbohydrates or vitamin, low vitamin D is linked to diabetes, right?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_05: We could see how well the body activates vitamin D.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe you need a special form, right?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: Again, that doesn't mean that vitamin D is the cure to everyone's diabetes, right?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_05: I could go viral if I said that on social media, right?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: But the truth isn't nearly as sexy.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_05: And we need to figure out what matters for each person, but every aspect of health has a genetic component.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_05: That's been proven.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: And it's it it again, it doesn't always guarantee something, but as you shared, you know, with the diabetes in your family, I have certain things with certain it's interesting, like my mom's side of the family has a lot of strokes and embolisms.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: My dad's side of the family has some cancer genes.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_05: And when my brother and I got our genetics tested, he got the blood clot gene from my mom.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_05: I got the cancer gene from my dad's side.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it's interesting how you can have different family members also get different things.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I I gotta do this with my brother.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_05: This would be a crazy real he his blood clots faster than mine.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_05: So if we both prick our fingers and squeeze the blood out, he can't get blood to come out of his finger because it clots so quickly.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: But my blood will come right out, and we're both full-blooded brothers.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: That'd be a really cool, like, quick little TikTok type thing to show people.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: But might want to write it down.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just for me, as I've been diving deeper into my own health journey, I'm like, there's so much that's gone in a human body.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm obviously not a medical professional, we can be very clear on that.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I've done hours of research and I talk to people and like yourself and others who are actually the medical professionals because I'm not trying to make my own assumptions of what I'm learning or learn everything off of TikTok, as as great as having that information available is.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, it's just been very interesting noticing how with each person like even for example, I can tolerate spicy whatever and whatnot.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: My mom is the complete polar opposite.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Will immediately start feeling it in her gut, and she'll for years, she's always just been like, girl, you better watch it.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's not catching up to you yet.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, maybe I just have a different tolerance than you do.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: And ironically, as I also started to go into other aspects of like family health, I'm like, Oh, you guys all have high blood pressure.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Look at me with my low blood pressure, and I wonder what's causing that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then you do the research of like talking with family members and you realize, oh, it stems from this person or kind of like the genetics aspect of it.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's been a very interesting kind of whirlwind for me of like as you get older, seeing what you can't control and seeing some of the things that might be just I don't want to call it passed down, but they're in your well, I mean, here's the thing you know, you could have like even for blood pressure, some people are more sensitive to salt where higher salt diets, their blood pressure goes up.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: Some people have a harder time absorbing potassium that can help regulate blood pressure.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: Some people's blood vessels are more rigid overall.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_05: So that's just three flavors, right?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: But then we also have stress, of course, right?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_05: So it's like, hey, what also runs in households?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe not just your genetics, maybe it's stressful there too, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: And everyone's walking on eggshells, everyone's at each other's throats, right?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: So as much as I'm vocal around genetics, it's just one layer of the pie, right?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_05: And you could have someone with great genetics without any diabetes risk factors, but if they eat way too many carbohydrates and don't move their body, they could still end up with diabetes.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: You could have someone without a lot of genetics for high blood pressure, but if they're stressed out all the time from their friends, family, or work, they can still have high blood pressure and still be prescribed the medication, even though the genes don't lead to that.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, what did the actual transition look like for you going from conventional approaches to integrating to more of a holistic and energetic part of it?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know, I'm not a medical doctor, so it's not like I was practicing medicine, you know, it's not like I was working with people one way and then switched.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_05: I went from being in a lab with, you know, my colleagues.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_05: I never really worked with people one-on-one, right?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_05: So it initially started working with friends and family.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_05: This is even during grad school.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_05: So way before I had an actual business, just doing it for free for friends and family to learn more, to connect the dots and help people out.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_05: But after helping out some friends and family members, and I started working with people one-on-one through Instagram and you know, charge them a little bit of money, I was a little nervous.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, all right, well, my mom will always tell me I help her feel better.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: But like, once someone I don't know that paid have a little money on the line, right, are they really gonna feel better?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: So it was one of those things I kind of had to hold my breath and figure it out.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_05: But it was different at first.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_05: The first few consults, I was so nervous and scared.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: Am I saying too much, this or that?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_05: But just really listening to that feedback and having those first clients just really saying they're feeling a lot better on these things, time and time and time again, really just made me realize wow, this type of work really is needed.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_05: And this was kind of this was even before TikTok really blew up.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_05: Nowadays, with TikTok and all the AI content and everything, there is so much crap out there that's just trying to shove a supplement down your throat.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_05: TikTok, I'm not, I don't really use TikTok often, but when I do go on it once in a while, it's just all TikTok shop, just people shoving supplements in your face.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_05: They have no idea what these supplements do, how they could help you or how they could hurt you.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's just all trying to push the supplements in your face.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you were starting to start on a fiery note about supplementation earlier and how we don't always mean as many supplements.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: So why don't you go ahead and just touch on what your actual true thoughts about the oversupplementation that you're seeing in our world right now is?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, it's rampant.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, I think anyone that has anyone that's been on that self-improvement game or like been doing supplementation, holistic health.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like everyone goes through that chapter where they think more supplements are better.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: I had that myself.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_05: This was early in my PhD.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I was taking what, like two full handfuls, two or three handfuls of supplements every morning.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_05: And I ended up actually messing up my liver.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_05: I had really bad bags under my eyes.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I was not feeling great.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_05: My liver enzymes were through the roof, which means I have significant liver stress.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: And these supplements, they go through our liver.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_05: They're highly concentrated a lot of the time.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: And more is not always better.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_05: Nowadays on social media, when all you hear are the benefits around every last supplement, you want to take all of them.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_05: But every supplement does many things in the human body.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_05: So you may take a supplement for your brain health, but and then you take another supplement for your joint health.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_05: But what if that brain health supplement also helps your joints?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: You don't actually need a whole separate joint health supplement, right?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: But when you look at a bottle for a supplement, it will never ever have every benefit.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: There's supplements do so many things, right?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: So if you look at the bottle, oh, mood support, I'll take that.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_05: You look at this bottle, oh, gut support, I'll take that too.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I'll take a joint support, this, that.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_05: It's all designed to make you want to buy more supplements.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_05: But in reality, there could be a lot of redundant supplements that do the same thing, or even worse, supplements that interact negatively.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_05: So I mentioned some of those supplements that could lower iron in your body.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_05: I've had people come to me taking four or five different supplements that all lower iron in the body.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: So they're, but they have no idea.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_05: Their doctor or coach may have even put them on those supplements for other reasons.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_05: So you think you're taking supplements for brain health, for inflammation support, for let's just say hair regrowth, and I don't know, maybe for sleep.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: But in reality, all four of those also lower iron in your body.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_05: So no wonder why you're anemic, no wonder why you're exhausted, because the same supplements that have all these benefits are the same things that are making you feel worse.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_05: Because you need to remember this, Anita.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_05: There's no requirement for understanding supplements to make them, to talk about them on social media, to recommend them as a healthcare professional, to recommend them as a coach.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_05: For how often people in the holistic space make fun of big pharma because it's so shady.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_05: At least pharma's regulated, right?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_05: There's no, it is the absolute wild west with the natural supplement space.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_05: And that's exactly why I went on a mission to help people understand it, because there's no national body like the FDA, right, to monitor these supplements.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_05: You look at any supplement, it says this has not been approved or supported by the FDA, these claims, because there's no real oversight.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Very interesting perspective.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: And now you have me really questioning how many of those supplements that we actually do need or don't need.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_05: Well, and it's not and it's not so much that there's not a supplement that no one needs, right?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_05: It's more so just figuring out what you need for your joint health may not be what I need for mine.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_05: Or maybe you want a joint health supplement that also helps your mood a little bit.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe I want a joint health supplement that also helps with my hormones a little bit, right?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_05: So it's almost like think of it like Dilde Bear, right?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_05: Dildabare workshop, right?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_05: Where you want to pick the right supplement that checks as many boxes for you, that doesn't clash with anything around your body.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_05: I've worked with people taking literally 50, 60 different supplements, and they feel light years better on five to seven personalized ones for them versus the 60 they were taking.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's more is not always better.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_05: You want to make sure you're checking the right boxes.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful answer.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that you come back to the personalization and what's actually right for you in your own internal system.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, how would you say your scientific background actually supports or challenges your evolution, though?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_05: So when you say Oh, it it supports my evolution because I would never be able to do what I do now without understanding the principles of pharmacology.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_05: Like, yeah, sometimes I think I spent six years learning all these lab techniques, how to dissect mice, all this stuff I will never ever do again in my life.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_05: So I I I trained, I learned all those things just to never do them again.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_05: But really, the mindset and understanding the underlying principles.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_05: So, since I understand cell biology and pharmacology, there's not a single supplement or medical condition that I can't learn about and help myself become an expert in because I have the base hardware, right?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: I understand the basics, I understand the framework of how cells function and behave.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_05: So it enables me to see these patterns and see these interactions that other people, other experts even miss because there's that lack of that pharmacology background.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_05: Most pharmacologists they work in a hospital with medications.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the only pharmacologist I've seen that has come into the holistic space on the supplement side of things.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: Because again, now that I've been here for a couple of years, it's the Wild West.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: People do not know how these supplements actually work because there's no pharmacology training around these supplements.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_05: There may be some, but they're pretty surface level.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: And that's exactly why I'm on a mission to educate people, whether you're a doctor or just someone that wants to know what the heck do I spend my money on on TikTok shop.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: So when you talk about healing generally, you describe it as a full system approach.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: What does that actually mean for you?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I work with people with supplementation, with dietary changes, and I wish I could do it all, right?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_05: What I mean by that is, you know, I wish I could do more mindset-related things, you know, more spiritual work, right?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: These are all different layers together.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: A couple of supplements are never gonna outdo poor spiritual hygiene, right?
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's just not gonna have this real transformational effect, right?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_05: But this is why having a good team of people is so incredibly important.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that trying a lot of people just want that quick fix.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: They want the quick pill, right?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_05: To have these things work.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_05: But again, the supplements can definitely be life-changing.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_05: But if you really want these changes to be sustained, you need to make sure you're moving your body.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_05: You need to make sure you're practicing mindfulness.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_05: And just I think it pays a lot of value for people to really try to inspect your upbringing, your childhood to understand why certain things make you tick, why you are how you are.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_05: All these things connect back to childhood.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: You know, what were your caregivers like?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_05: We all have things that we don't love about ourselves that we wish were different, but those things, it's a cause and effect.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's the effect of something else that caused it when you were younger.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_05: And it can be difficult sometimes, especially if you have parents that could be a bit emotionally immature, that may not want to talk about things in your childhood that weren't great.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_05: Some parents, you know, they don't want to hear that, right?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: They don't, they they may take that as a personal attack, right?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_05: But really try to deconstruct and understand.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, there's a lot of work, like people like Gabramante, like more psychologists that can really help, you know, if someone struggles with overworking and working all the time and not resting, that's usually something tied to childhood.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_05: If someone has chronic low self-esteem and they're constantly worried about some this or that, usually something connected to the upbringing, right?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm not a psychologist, you know, I'm not a social worker.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: I love all these things.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_05: I practice these things with myself, my wife and I do close friends.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: I try to help my friends with this stuff, but I want to stay in my lane too, right?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_05: So it's I've had people that are going to therapy or they have a mindset coach and they've gotten improvements.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_05: But once we get them the right nutrients their cells need, then they can improve even more.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_05: So they may hit a plateau, right?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_05: With certain coaches or personal development, we give the right nutrients, and then wow, they're able to improve even more because now the cells really have the right nutrients.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_05: And again, the supplements can help, but if you don't have these other practices, right, taking one supplement each day isn't going to completely revolutionize who you are as a person.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_05: I wish it was that easy.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love the fact that you brought it to CAM, having a team.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: What I've found in my own life, and I'm sure you have as well, is like we can't do everything alone.
• 40:27
  unknown: No.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we need that right mentorship, we need that right spiritual advisor, or if it's a pastor or whatever.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever form that looks like for you.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: You need that.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_05: And those forms are different for different people, right?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_05: And there's no one set thing, but I think absolutely some level of mental work.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_05: Some level of spiritual work, right?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_05: Whether that is meditation or breath work or you want to go do a crazy mushroom retreat in Mexico, right?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: Whatever, whatever you want to do, right?
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_05: There's no one set thing for everyone, but I do think you have the physical side moving your body, the right nutrients, foods, supplements, the mental side, and then the spiritual emotional side.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, human connection is incredibly important as well.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_05: Especially nowadays, we're all linked to our phones.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_05: There's a lot less human interaction.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, like let me tell you this.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_05: So Halloween just happened last week and went to my parents to has out candy.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_05: Our block used to be the block to be.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_05: Like hundreds of kids would go there when I was a kid.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_05: We got 10 chick-or-treaters the whole night.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like it just makes me sad about how many kids nowadays are just losing that interaction with their peers, right?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_05: That social connection.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_05: Just one of many examples, right?
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_05: On how our world is changing, more towards being more isolated, pandemic or not, right?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_05: With all the AI, the screens, the iPads, it's scary.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're absolutely right.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: I find that it's not a diss to the younger generation, but I think there's a beauty in when we grew up because we were in that kind of like hybrid.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: We were on the come up, we understood the tech, but we still had a lot of that human-to-human connection and that ability to actually connect.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: And what I've noticed in the younger generation is the connection in person, isn't it as I don't want to call it valuable because it is, but like it's not as prioritized for that.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and it's like w one of the main metrics I like to give.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_05: So so you're you're 30?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so one of the metrics I like to give, so you're the same age as my younger brother.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_05: And like one of the main metrics I like to give people, at least for me being 33, Instagram became a thing right as I entered college.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_05: So you were, you know, probably like a sophomore in high school, right?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_05: Which is still, but just even for me thinking about it, I'm I didn't get any Instagram.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_05: It didn't exist until I finished high school.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_05: Now we also need to think about well, when did Instagram switch?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't know about you, but like on my personal Instagram or all my friends on Instagram, like my personal friends, no one really posts updates really anymore.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's like now everyone just scrolls and buys things.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's so commercialized now.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_05: And that happened the past several years, right?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_05: So I couldn't even imagine growing up in high school or middle school or elementary school, where now you're exposed at that young of an age to these apps that are all gamified farming you for your attention, right?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_05: Like YouTube, we we we have to go and search out what we want, but now it just throws the stuff right at us, right?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_05: It's all it's literally farming people's attention, right?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_05: So I just I like to think of that metric like I didn't get any Instagram.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I had my space, right?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_05: Then Facebook, but it was it was different, it was different.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_05: It was it didn't have that heavy, heavy product selling, you know, like all this business stuff, all comment whatever to I mean, hey, I do it, right?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_05: I have a business, right?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_05: So I do these comment DNA to learn more about whatever.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_05: Here's my free thing, right?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, it's not not an evil thing across the board, right?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's how business is now.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, just thinking about that difference now, right?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like being exposed to this highly commercialized form or weaponized form of social media nowadays.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's I don't have kids yet, but it really makes you think like, what's it like to raise a kid, you know, in today's world?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's something I've same.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not near having kids, think thankfully.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: But as I've observed, I'm always just like, well, how do you balance it?
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: It has to some sort of balance because to say that you're gonna just rip all these tools away is incorrect as well.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it's like how do you not let them get so sucked in where it becomes their entire thing?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you don't you don't you don't want your kid to be the kid that doesn't have any social media can get bullied that way, right?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_05: So it's like, how do you know the right amount?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_05: But sounds like neither you nor I need to figure that out for a while to come.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: So big boy.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: So what would you say the role of data or testing plays in your work at this point?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: And how do you integrate functional medicine with energy?
• 45:25
  unknown: Yeah.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean, test testing for me, I I require the genetic testing for every single client that I work with.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of people ask, can't you just give generalized guidance?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, I guess, but for me, it just helps cut right to the chase so much better.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_05: I do blood work as well with my clients.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, I don't specifically practice, like I'm not a functional medicine practitioner per se, but I need to be, you know, I'm not a medical doctor, right?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not the replacement for one, right?
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_05: However, giving people this framework, this blueprint around their body.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_05: So if they do go to a functional medicine expert, right?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_05: Or I'll I'll collaborate.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, I have a functional medicine doctor that wants to collaborate with you to help understand my health better, right?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_05: And I can give my expertise on the supplements because their functional medicine doctor may say, Hey, you need this supplement.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I will let them know, hey, that is not the right supplement.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_05: Here's why, based on their unique body.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't work with anyone without understanding their genetics just because I see that it just costs so much more time and money just guessing around for these different things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_05: And regarding the energetic side of things, again, it's like I wish I could incorporate all of these layers.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_05: I do see a future where I have other experts underneath me where, hey, you see me for the supplements, the genetic stuff, and then hey, you can work with our mental health coach around that angle, right?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_05: So again, currently, I just don't want to overstep, even though I love that stuff, right?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_05: But I do see a future, not just for my practice, but for health in general, where you have that team of different experts that can all layer on their expertise for their patients and clients.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I love this because again, it's all about bringing yourself into knowing what's really going on with you.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: When you say genetic testing, then how is that exactly done?
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so it's a cheap swab.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so swab it right in, send it right back.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_05: I test for over 200 million different genetic mutations.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_05: So AI is involved to help analyze some things.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_05: But what makes my approach unique is I handmake my reports.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_05: So I spend some time finding the highlight reel, the most important things for Anita, because you don't want to read a 400-page report, right?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_05: How do you know the most important things?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_05: And that's a real issue with the genetic space.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_05: People say, oh, our report's 100 pages, you should use us.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_05: Another company will say, our report is 200 pages, more data, you should use us.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_05: But from what I've realized, more information is not better if you're not an expert on genetics.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_05: You're just more confused.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: You have more options to do.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_05: How in God's green earth do you know what the best top five things are for you?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_05: So that's why, even though technology and AI helps a lot with my analysis, I still spend some time adding that human touch.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_05: So it's not one of those things where I'm this massive scalable business yet, but I'm just really trying to reverse engineer what really works for people and then figuring out trying to scale that later rather than just trying to ship out a thousand kits a month for$200 each or something, right?
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_05: And then people they get some information, then they're more confused.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I have people come to me with all these pages and sheets and this and that from all these different genetic tests.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_05: They're so confused because it's so overwhelming for people.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Very true.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So going back to supplementation one last time, what do you think is actually being overdone?
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_05: I think a lot of these more longevity supplements or the peptides are a really hot thing nowadays.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and peptides are essentially short protein sequences that can stimulate healing in your body.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_05: They're very, very powerful, but like Ozempic or the GLP ones, right?
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_05: Those are peptides and they've taken the world by storm because you just shoot it up and you drop 20, 30 pounds in a couple of months, right?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_05: There's a lot of peptides.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_05: Some are more for brain functioning, some are more for focus, some are for joint health, some are for your immune system.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_05: Some of them even make you tan faster.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_05: So I think I see a lot of people that listen, I think peptides are the future of medicine, but people will come to me, they're on six different peptides, and their vitamin D is in the shitter, right?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_05: Part of my French.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_05: Or they they have all they look for the cut most cutting-edge biohacking peptides, but they're not addressing their sleep.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_05: So I think a lot of people are getting caught up again in all the TikTok shop, right?
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_05: People trying to sell them these things.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_05: They promise it's gonna completely change their life, and they skip the more foundational things to try to run towards the new shiny kid on the block.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like you can't build from true foundation.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're trying to supplement or find the net latest wave of whatever's popular at that moment, what happens is you end up technically just you're not balancing yourself out.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: You'll probably see a little bit of result, but you won't get that.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I mean, you you can't get those short-term improvements, right?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_05: And then what if you get used to the peptides, right?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like you may need higher doses or this or that.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_05: So it's just getting the right system set up, right?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_05: Are you missing certain nutrients through your diet on top of your genetics, right?
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_05: That should be the foundation for people.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_05: And hey, once all this stuff is in a row in alignment, peptides, I'm not knocking them, right?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_05: They're very, very powerful.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_05: It's just making sure you're utilizing them at the right time because they can be expensive too.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_05: Say you're dropping$800 a month on peptides, you could spend a fraction of that on some better food for yourself.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_05: Doesn't mean some people don't do it the right way, but yeah, a lot of people I see jumping right for the new thing on the block, the new thing that's gonna melt body fat off of your body.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_05: They can do that, but it's at what cost?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_05: We also don't know the safety of these things long, long term as well.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very true.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then I I don't know.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: For me, there's something about always sticking with the foundational principles of like how you how you exercise and that and then adding players whatever else you want to add into it.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: But like starting off from just making sure you're actually having a good basis of like how are you eating?
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Are you eating enough?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: So my next question for you is if someone wants to take a more intentional approach, where should they start?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: What are most the more misunderstood areas of when it comes to personalized medicine?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's I mean, genetic testing is very rigorously proven, right?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_05: Try not to be un trying to be unbiased here, but hey, I'm in the genetic space.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_05: I think that is a great starting point for people, and that's also assuming you're not eating a bunch of processed food all the time, right?
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_05: Most of the people I work with, they're eating healthy foods, they limit their stress, they try to sleep good each night, get eight hours of sleep, but they're still not feeling great because the sad reality is the world we live in today, we're exposed to so much more toxins than ever before.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_05: And I truly believe every person needs to be supplementing because A, our food isn't as nutritious as it used to be, so we don't ingest as much, but also we burn through the nutrients quicker because we're always having to fight off all these toxins with the air we breathe, the pollution, the pesticides, all these different things.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_05: So blood work is a really great starting point.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_05: There are companies like Function Health that can give more comprehensive testing because if you go to your regular doctor, they're gonna test the very they're not even gonna test vitamin D for you unless you ask and pay for it out of pocket.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_05: So I think a good batch of blood work is a great starting point.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_05: Genetic testing is great as well.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_05: But again, if you're not even getting the foundational things and if you don't have a consistent sleep schedule, if you're eating a bunch of processed garbage, yeah, could some genetic stuff help improve how you feel?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but again, you're gonna be kind of putting a band-aid on a bullet wound, right?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_05: You want to get those foundational things set up.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful answer.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, for me, I started off with a company called Joy because I wanted that whole function like lab that went intricately into everything because I was just like, I don't understand what's going on.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the only thing I know is traditional insurance will not be covering the full picture of what's going on.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: And your doctor will be saying that it's quote, not medically necessary to get this tested.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like, just because you're not about to die doesn't mean it's not well, they say medically, right?
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_05: See that keyword medical.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_05: Are you about to die if you don't get this done?
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_05: But are you suffering each and every day by not getting it checked?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_05: And that's the difference, right?
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_05: The things I help people with aren't necessarily life-threatening, but they're absolutely life impacting.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_05: And a lot of times people think just because it's not life-threatening that it's not a big deal.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_05: But I just feel like there's so many people, like even people as long as they're late 20s, early 30s, they're told by their doctor that being more tired, aches and pains is just a part of getting older.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's a bunch of crap, honestly.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, maybe at your 40s, 50s, 60s, yeah, you're really starting to age, but the hormone issues and stuff, it's not just a part of getting older when you're 20 or 30 years old.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: Those are the best years of your life.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'm turning 33 next week, but I'm excited for 43.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_05: I think my health is gonna be even better then, right?
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_05: But it's being told that, oh, getting more tired, it's part of your early 30s.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's just a sign that you're not fueling your body properly or you're being exposed to the wrong things.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing and accurate.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's so accurate.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you've already kind of touched on this, but what's your actual vision for what it would look like for the future of medicine?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_05: Speaking really be what you think would be a all comprehensive approach to Yeah, so this is something called multi-omics, and I think this is the future.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_05: So genetics or genomics, that's what I'm an expert in.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_05: That's your genetic code.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_05: There are a lot of other omics they're called.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_05: So we can see something called transcriptomics.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_05: How much of the genes are you making?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_05: We can see how much proteins you're making.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_05: Try not to get too nerdy here, but basically, what I do is just one layer of personalized medicine.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_05: Now, genetics have been around the longest.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_05: So we have the most data on them.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_05: Or microbiomics.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_05: So you can see the microbiome, your gut bacteria.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_05: What's their DNA looking like?
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_05: That can affect how your body handles things.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_05: So you see, there's all these different layers, right?
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like chapters of a book.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_05: I think the future of medicine is gonna be layering all these on top of each other.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_05: So you're not just gonna have one company for this type of test, one company for that type of test.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_05: They're all gonna be layered all in together.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_05: And there's gonna be a lot of AI crunching all the numbers, looking at all the patterns, doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_05: You could just see the full spreadsheet, right?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_05: You thought that blood panel was one thing, right?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's gonna be so much more in-depth.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, we're gonna have to have doctors that are experts in this.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_05: But I think without a doubt, that's the future where it's at.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_05: And it's gonna be leveraging a lot of the AI to help analyze some of these things, pick up on some of these patterns to help free up time for some of these healthcare professionals as well.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_05: Because as much as, you know, I say I don't like a lot about conventional medicine, I gotta always tell people you can't blame the doctors, you gotta blame the system.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_05: Most of these doctors are trying to do their best.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_05: They only have 10, 15 minutes to work with one of their patients.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_05: I have an hour-long call with every one of my clients and then half-hour follow-ups.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm able to do that, right?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_05: But again, I'm not in the medical system.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_05: I don't utilize insurance, right?
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_05: So, how much can you really get done in a 10 in a 10, 15-minute consult with someone?
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful answer.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, for those who are listening and ready to take ownership of their health, but feel overwhelmed, what's one step they can start to take today?
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_05: I would say rather than saying look into working with me, I want to say I would recommend giving me a follow on social media.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_05: I put out a lot of free content to help understand which are these health and wellness trends, what are the pros, what are the potential cons, and really just try to do what I can to distill down the lens through which I view health and wellness and disease.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_05: And rather than just trying to shove a million and one things that you should be doing, help people understand how these things work so that you, the individual consuming my content, can then make a more informed decision.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_05: When some random shirtless guy on TikTok wants me to buy a supplement, you'll be able to remember and understand.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, wait, that supplement does this thing that Dr.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_05: Tyler told me that may not be a good fit for me for X, Y, and Z reasons.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: And what does embodied health mean to you personally?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, this may be cliche, but I think embodied health simply means embodying all the things, the routines, the rituals that are required for your body to feel its best.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_05: Whether that's you waking up and doing a cold shower in the morning or waking up and looking watching the sunrise, or every morning after the gym, you do a breathwork routine.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's really embodying all these different things that you know you should be doing to help keep your body more regulated.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_05: That sometimes when you feel rust, you may just decide, oh screw it.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: I don't need that.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: When in reality, when you feel rushed and say, screw it, that's actually when you probably should be doing it the most.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was a beautiful reminder for me, too.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just be very transparent here.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's something you're currently learning or integrating into your own life?
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so one thing I've been learning a lot about is pharmacogenetics.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_05: So I mentioned that uh multi-omic stuff.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the director of functional genomics and pharmacology for the American Board of Precision Medicine.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_05: So we are going to be building a curriculum to train doctors all over the country around personalized medicine.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_05: So what I do mainly now is called Nutrigenomics.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_05: So that's genetics to find the right supplements and foods for your body.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_05: Pharmacogenomics is using genetics to find the right medications for people.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I usually work to get people off of medications, but I've been learning a lot around pharmacogenetics because I'll be let me put it this way.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_05: Even though I think a lot of these medications aren't fully necessary, a lot of people, millions of people need these medications.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_05: I'm all about ending unnecessary suffering.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_05: So whether it's leading you towards the right supplement or helping a doctor figure out which of these medications might be the best fit for you, right?
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's the thing I've been learning a lot about to try and really just cover all these aspects.
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  SPEAKER_05: aspects of health, whether it's supplements, foods, medications, how do we figure out which one is best for which individual?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So firstly, thank you for bringing this conversation and the depth of clarity that you have.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just want to acknowledge how wonderful you are.
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  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited to learn and like dive deeper in with you because this conversation just pointed out I need to add a little bit of layers to what I'm doing on my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: But before we end, I always start off with a quick fire round.
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  SPEAKER_05: Lightning round, let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Starting off, copy tea tea or green juice in the morning for you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Definitely not coffee.
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't do well with caffeine.
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  SPEAKER_05: I break that down very slow genetically.
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  SPEAKER_05: I would probably say tea but not green tea.
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  SPEAKER_05: Green tea has something called EGCG in it.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a polyphenol.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's very healthy, but what else does it do?
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  SPEAKER_05: It also can pull iron out of the body.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I don't like that because do you drink a lot of green tea?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't but just like wow.
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  SPEAKER_05: So that that could be a dot you I you could connect right I've had people that have a lot of green tea connect that dot for their iron issues.
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  SPEAKER_05: But I would probably yeah it also can slow down how you break down adrenaline.
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  SPEAKER_05: I told you I'm already not good at that right so green tea even if there's no caffeine I feel more revved up and anxious.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I don't like that.
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  SPEAKER_05: I probably have to pick tea and I think I'd do something like a black tea probably or chamomile tea over the greens.
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  SPEAKER_05: I have a lot of vegetables throughout the day so I'm going with the tea.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what's your favorite morning ritual?
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't know if this really counts but my routine is I get up in the morning I get a quick meal in and I like going to the gym first thing in the morning.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know if that's considered I guess yeah I guess it's part of the morning routine.
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  SPEAKER_05: So for me getting that movement in I have a lot of excess energy.
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  SPEAKER_05: So kind of burning through some of that energy first thing in the morning it enables me to kind of be a little bit more grounded throughout the day.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I know it's not immediately when you wake up right like what's the routine in your house in that day but for me part my I definitely have to be the weight training the exercise in the morning a supplement you think everyone thinks they need but they don't ooh that's a good question.
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  SPEAKER_05: Ashwagandha Oshwagonda has gotten a lot of hype on cortisol lowering effects how it could help with stress which it does have data doing that but I've seen this with a lot of people whether it's people I've worked with or people on social media people on Reddit it also can really numb your emotions and make you feel very flat something called anhedonia which is the inability to feel pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_05: So people will take it for a couple of days or weeks they're more chill but then over time whether it's food music sex all these things just they don't really feel any excitement so they're not stressed anymore but they're also not really feeling any positive emotions.
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  SPEAKER_05: So that's one I've seen cause a lot of issues for people whether it's mood wise or thyroid wise it can rev up your thyroid as well gets a lot of hype and that's one that I rarely ever recommend for anyone.
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  SPEAKER_05: I take most people off of that and if people do utilize it I recommend they take it short term no longer than a week or so at a time noted I mean I'm not heavily on it but noted.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah just be my you you it can be hard to understand like if you take it for a few days it's helping and then you forget and then before you know it it can be working against you.
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  SPEAKER_05: Interesting so a word that describes the current season you're in presume say fall no definitely not fall I want to say focus but I think I'm gonna use the word rebuild because I'm really trying to slow down and rebuild a lot of the internal systems I have my newsletter my content system right just trying to get all these well the AI now there's so many things to help everything all flow in together so different people from your team can communicate better.
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  SPEAKER_05: So I'm focusing on rebuilding so I'll pick the word rebuilding over the next several months a song that instantly lits your mood ooh I love electronic music I'm a DJ I think I think that healing through movement healing through dance I think there's actually studies support this that dancing is the best antidepressant.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's there did studies whether it's versus SSRI medication or dancing out of all the things you could do is the best antidepressant.
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  SPEAKER_05: And what is a song that always lifts my mood there's a lot I could pick here I have like thousands of songs I love so let me think about this.
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  SPEAKER_05: I feel on the spot now let me think sorry I'm a big music head so I have to Yeah no I'm I'm trying to try trying to think good about this one let me think I would probably have to say the song Tempest by Pionel that's my wife's favorite song so that always it's a great song it lifts me up but the fact that it always lifts her up helps lift me up that's true favorite movie not a big movie guy I'd have to say Infinity War the Marvel movie.
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  SPEAKER_05: Love superhero movies so I'm gonna go with Marvel Infinity War.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
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  SPEAKER_05: A book that changes your life or mindset week by Tim Ferris best advice you've ever received in a single sentence This is the one usually most people have a hard time with yeah the best the best advice I mean I want to say just go for it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm trying to remember probably multiple people said this to me when I was trying to figure out you know do I go all in like being the entrepreneur right and getting rid of the corporate side of things.
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  SPEAKER_05: Something along the wrong lines of just go for it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I think that's the best advice I've ever got to date because here I am now and it totally changed my life by just believing in me and just going for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_05: And one thing you want women to stop apologizing for it's funny you say this because I have this thing going on with all my close friends that if someone apologizes for something they shouldn't be apologizing for, they owe me a nickel.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_05: So it's funny you say that because especially women right really apologize excessively I think women should stop apologizing for speaking their mind and using their voice.
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  SPEAKER_05: You're not broken, you're breaking through let's go ahead and rise together Yeah I mean I'm not a woman clearly but just women are you know the gender I mean how many decades ago was it where you know women couldn't vote.
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  SPEAKER_05: They didn't have the same rights and things, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: So I think that it's really ingrained in society to be a good girl and what is a good girl a good girl means throwing away you know your stance on things your opinion on things out the window to just be quiet and kind of take up less space well thank you for this conversation.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: I am just so so honored that we were able to kind of flow together the way we did and honestly I just want to take a note of acknowledgement for you because what you're doing and how you're transforming health is amazing.
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