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The Coming Day of the Lord | Graham Keelan · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: So week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program today, Mono Gonzalez here in studio
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  Speaker 2: and I have through Skype our good friend Graham Keelon
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  Speaker 2: from across the Pond. I know many of you remember
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  Speaker 2: the series that we did on the modern state of Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and I know you guys enjoyed that. And so Graham
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  Speaker 2: is back and we're going to be discussing what I
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  Speaker 2: think is a pretty fascinating and complex topic. And Graham
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  Speaker 2: has certainly showed himself to understand complex the logical issues,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about the Day of
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  Speaker 2: the Lord. And so before we do, just want to
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  Speaker 2: weeks after the election of the first week of November,
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  Speaker 2: so a lot of things will be taken shape as
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  Speaker 2: it relates to the future of America. And as we know,
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  Speaker 2: America has a great influence around the world, mostly for good,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes not for good, and it'll be interesting to
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  Speaker 2: should be a great time. So Graham here we are
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  Speaker 2: back from across the pond.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing very well, thank you, Mondo. So looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to us having this ongoing conversation on this topic. I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of confusion about it, so not
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  Speaker 3: that we have it nailed down, but I think if
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  Speaker 3: we can bring different perspectives to it, you know what
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  Speaker 3: different theologians, different scholars think, and then our own you know,
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  Speaker 3: musings into it. Then it's a fascinating topic and I
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  Speaker 3: think it I think trust if it will be interesting enough,
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  Speaker 3: if people to stay with us, and hopefully they will
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  Speaker 3: get a lot out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Mondo, Yeah, we plan on.
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  Speaker 2: If I look at my if I look at my
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  Speaker 2: outline here for everybody is you know, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about what is the day of the Lord. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about when is it? Who brings it?
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  Speaker 2: Even Milkezidek and the day of the Lord in the
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  Speaker 2: Deasy Scrolls, feast eschatology, a whole bunch of other things.
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  Speaker 1: So stick around. This will be a great series that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be doing.
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  Speaker 2: I think Graham, it might be helpful here. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you and I we obviously spent time together. You came
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  Speaker 2: across and visited us here uh in America, in the
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  Speaker 2: New World, so to speak, and so we had we
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  Speaker 2: again we get along. Well, I think it'd be helpful
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  Speaker 2: to in our conversations, you know, as is typical, and
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  Speaker 2: this is a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody agrees.
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  Speaker 2: You and I don't agree on all sorts of every
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  Speaker 2: last pit of theology.
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  Speaker 1: But that's good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we believe Jesus as a savior, and this
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  Speaker 2: gives us an opportunity to talk in different perspectives.
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  Speaker 1: But how did this, how did the Day of the
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  Speaker 1: Lord idea come to be?
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  Speaker 2: And in the sense of our conversation, and maybe share
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  Speaker 2: what what the Lord has been putting on your heart
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  Speaker 2: and why you think this is a good discussion to
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  Speaker 2: have at this time. I think that'd be helpful, just
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  Speaker 2: some you know, some personal background.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know how we I mean I just
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  Speaker 3: proposed it to you. I think because we were I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people were saying a lot about the Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Law, and I realized that, well, you're an astronomer, Mondo,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, people tend to look at this through
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  Speaker 3: a telescope, you know, so they might see a one
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  Speaker 3: particular star, right, So just using this analogy but instead
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  Speaker 3: of seeing an entire galaxy. And I think if we
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  Speaker 3: can get a broad view of the Day of the Lord,
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  Speaker 3: both older New Testaments, then I think it will help
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  Speaker 3: people process that. Okay, this is this is is very fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: It's very interesting, and it incorporates the entire book of
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  Speaker 3: the Bible from Genesis to revelations. So and then when
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  Speaker 3: people then go into the scriptures that then maybe they
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  Speaker 3: can hopefully they will see things they haven't seen before.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not really to say, I think, Mondo, that
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  Speaker 3: this is the way you have to see it, But
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  Speaker 3: it's just to it's just to sort of open up
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  Speaker 3: the scriptures, open up the vista, as it were, and
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  Speaker 3: people can think this is that there's a wide there's
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  Speaker 3: a wide angle view here that we need to take
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  Speaker 3: before we can concentrate on you know, Alpha Centauri or right, okay,
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  Speaker 3: for all those astronomers, I know what I'm on about.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's I think. And I just think
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  Speaker 3: as well, if we can remove the dogmatic element from
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  Speaker 3: our discussions. That's because I I don't know if you
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  Speaker 3: agree with that, but I see that a lot is that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, heretic is banded around very easily these days.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like if you don't believe exactly the way
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  Speaker 3: I believe that you're a heretic, you know, and you
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  Speaker 3: and I have had plenty of discussions driving around England,
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  Speaker 3: driving around Oklahoma, Oklahoma and Arkansas, and and and you know,
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  Speaker 3: even on WhatsApp to sort of you know, get into
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  Speaker 3: the weeds, but realizing that that if we can bring
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  Speaker 3: some of these discussions to a wider audience, because that's
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  Speaker 3: I like to do that. I like to go on
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  Speaker 3: to certain podcasts just to hear what people are talking about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, particular interests that I have. And if I'm
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  Speaker 3: driving and I just lived to a podcast and I think, okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's interesting. So it's just about opening our opening our
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  Speaker 3: viewpoints and dropping the labels a little bit, just to say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, well I'm this, I'm that, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: say well, let's just have a look at what the
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  Speaker 3: scripture says about the day of the Lord. I just
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  Speaker 3: I really do think as were as they as we
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  Speaker 3: see the great and terrible Day of the Lord approaching,
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  Speaker 3: you know, particularly now with the nations, you know in Uproar.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've just gone through a bit of it here,
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  Speaker 3: but in a in a very mild British sort of way,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some riots, but you know, what's happening across
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  Speaker 3: the world, and and and the nations are at a
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  Speaker 3: loss really and so but the Church should never be
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  Speaker 3: at a loss as to what's what's about to come.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think that's that's what I can
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  Speaker 3: say to that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I appreciate the astronomy analogy. And
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  Speaker 2: for those listening, I am not a professional astronomer. IMNA
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  Speaker 2: want to be astronomer, that's for sure. I did take
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  Speaker 2: astronomy in college, and because I don't want people to
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  Speaker 2: walk away and think that, but I do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of astrophotography and love the stars. And that's a great analogy, Graham,
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  Speaker 2: because as we do look out there, there are different
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  Speaker 2: aspects and you think about again, just the stars of
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  Speaker 2: the heavens. I like Paul uses the analogy of the
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  Speaker 2: stars in First Greene. It's fifteen, so it's helpful.
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  Speaker 1: And I think too as we as we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the day of the Lord. One of the things.
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  Speaker 2: That that I've noticed is, and you mentioned Dogma, is
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  Speaker 2: that so often the confusion comes that people see they're
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  Speaker 2: reading their Bibles and they see the phrase the day
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  Speaker 2: of the Lord. And you can do a study of that,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people have, which is helpful. Certainly
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  Speaker 2: appears in the Old Testament and the Testament. But what
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  Speaker 2: happens what I see is, you know, you might read
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  Speaker 2: about it, let's say, in the Book of Amos, chapter five,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, first Thesalonians chapter five, and then you
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  Speaker 2: read it and you go, oh, well, this is what
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  Speaker 2: it is. But in reality, as we start here, I
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  Speaker 2: just want to say that this is a very complex
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  Speaker 2: issue because the Day of the Lord data, if you
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  Speaker 2: just do that, it comes with a lot of synonyms.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see phrases.
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  Speaker 2: About that day or in that day or like you said,
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  Speaker 2: the day of the Lord or the day of the
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  Speaker 2: Great Day of the Lord. It takes a lot of
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  Speaker 2: context in order to understand whether God is speaking about
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  Speaker 2: the same exact period of time. And when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the our understanding of eschatology and what we would
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  Speaker 2: say is the coming of the Lord in the upcoming
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  Speaker 2: you know, seventieth week of Daniel, the tribulation period, and
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  Speaker 2: how does that all work? And this is why you
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  Speaker 2: end up, I think, having we're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: into it, but the different perspectives of pre trib, mid trib,
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  Speaker 2: pre wrath, and post trib because oftentimes there's a failure
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  Speaker 2: to consider that the word has a variety of nuances
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  Speaker 2: to it, and so you just pick one and when
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  Speaker 2: you stick that and that's the only nuance, well then
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  Speaker 2: you get stuck into a very specific, maybe post trip position.
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  Speaker 1: So I just.
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  Speaker 2: Encourage people to stick with us that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: try to explain the various flexible ways in which the
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  Speaker 2: phraseology is used and also the way it can contribute
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  Speaker 2: to all most areas of theology, especially especially eschatology. But
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  Speaker 2: also you have some freedom like is this speaking about that.
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  Speaker 1: Period or this or this and so this.
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  Speaker 2: Again, we're going to try to explain this and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: by the end people will go, oh, it's not as
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  Speaker 2: simple as maybe I thought. So why don't we start
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  Speaker 2: out here, Graham and just get having a definition of
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  Speaker 2: the day of the Lord or the day of yahweh.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into some of the other things that you
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  Speaker 2: have the day of God, you have the day of Christ,
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  Speaker 2: do you have a variety of things that appear in English.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just start with what the heck is a
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  Speaker 2: basic definition of the day of the Lord?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's kind of so, yeah, what what's the
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  Speaker 3: basic definition? And then we realize everybody agrees on the definition.
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  Speaker 3: It's so again, you know, we'll take a broad well
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  Speaker 3: seek to maybe take a broad view of this. Unli
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  Speaker 3: you were saying, Mondo, you know, the word day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord. That phrase day of the Lord occurs mainly
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  Speaker 3: in the later prophets, the minor prophets. You get it,
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  Speaker 3: I think you get in Isaiah, getting in Jeremiah, but
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  Speaker 3: you get certain things in the Old Testament that precede
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  Speaker 3: that phrase, which actually which actually look and sound like
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  Speaker 3: day of the Lord events. So so again it's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's to broaden that to say, you know that the
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  Speaker 3: day of the Lord is is effectively is when God
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  Speaker 3: intervenes so deliberately in human history, you know, like he
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  Speaker 3: does in the Old Covenant with his people or with
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  Speaker 3: the nations. Now we could say, you know, God's always
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  Speaker 3: intervening with the nations, Yes he is, but there's something
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  Speaker 3: where he actually moves to bring judgment to his people
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  Speaker 3: to let's say, to Israel, or judgment to the nations.
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  Speaker 3: And but but in that there's still a narrative. So
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  Speaker 3: we've got a definition here. I'll just read that out.
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  Speaker 3: We were referencing an essay here bye bye bye by
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  Speaker 3: someone say here the phrase the day of the Lord. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: he's got Yahweh. I actually preferred Jehovah. But people can
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  Speaker 3: go withever they whatever they want. The phrase the day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord refers both to the ultimate time when
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  Speaker 3: Yahweh will punish and restore the whole world through Christ's
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  Speaker 3: first and second comings and to the periodic penultimate days
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  Speaker 3: that clarify and anticipate it. And then he says, unrepentant
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  Speaker 3: cinemas should fear the Day of the Lord, but those
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  Speaker 3: forgiven and redeemed can anticipate it with hope. And we
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  Speaker 3: sort of like see that language all through the Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord events that you know, even when they
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  Speaker 3: don't carry that specific the Day of the Law tag,
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  Speaker 3: because the Day of Lord actually comes really comes into
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  Speaker 3: play when Israel's in the land right and they're rebelling,
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  Speaker 3: and then he says, right, I'm coming to visit you.
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  Speaker 3: Now I've sent the prophets in my name to announce
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  Speaker 3: it to repent and repent. So God is still working
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  Speaker 3: in his people, but there comes a moment where it says,
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  Speaker 3: right now, I'm intervening here in history catastrophically in judgment.
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  Speaker 3: But then there's also a place where he can do
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  Speaker 3: it also in blessings, so we need to also define that.
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  Speaker 3: So just for instance, it's interesting that when we're going
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  Speaker 3: to look at the Day of the Lord language mondo
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  Speaker 3: as is explicit. But when you look at something like
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  Speaker 3: the Passover Israel coming out of Egypt. Right, So obviously
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  Speaker 3: we know that the Book of Revelation is the Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord, because that's what John is told, is
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  Speaker 3: caught up in the spirit on the Lord's day. Right,
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  Speaker 3: He's not talking about it was a Sunday and Sunday
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  Speaker 3: we don't know. But he's seeing there the outworking of
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  Speaker 3: the Day of the Lord. And it's interesting the plagues
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  Speaker 3: there are similar to the plagues in Egypt, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And then God's bringing God is bringing judgment upon his
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  Speaker 3: nation to bring his people out from under that judgment.
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  Speaker 3: So there's always redemption with the Day of the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just we just tend to think it's judgment
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  Speaker 3: all the time. And because it is so judgment heavy
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  Speaker 3: in in the prophets, that's that's what we tend to think.
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  Speaker 3: It only is that. But there's a tonement language in
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  Speaker 3: the Day of the Lord language, particularly in Zachariah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as a king coming on his donkey in the Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord, if he's bringing the Day of the
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  Speaker 3: Lord hanging all from his donkey. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: this is what we have to try and unpack. And
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  Speaker 3: so so when you see getting back to the Passover,
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  Speaker 3: that God's leading his people out, he brings judgment upon Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: And of course we always get that recurring theme of
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  Speaker 3: judgment upon Egypt. There is in Isaiah, isn't it. There's
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  Speaker 3: a the Day of the Lord where there's judgment upon Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: And then he brings them out. And what does he do.
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  Speaker 3: He brings it out with the redemption of the firstborn,
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  Speaker 3: the redemption and with the blood on the door postal,
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  Speaker 3: and so that's a cross event, that's a that's something
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  Speaker 3: pointed to the future. And then he brings them to
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  Speaker 3: a mountain where he descends on the mountain in fire
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  Speaker 3: and pit call and cloud and all of that. And
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  Speaker 3: so why it doesn't have the Day of the Lord language,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't have the Day of the Lord labeled. It
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  Speaker 3: sounds awfully lot like what you read in the prophets
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  Speaker 3: about what the Day of the Lord is. And so
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  Speaker 3: you have both judgment there and you have redemption there
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  Speaker 3: for his people who are then brought into covenant, you know. So,
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  Speaker 3: and the New Testament picks up on that language about
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  Speaker 3: we've not come to a mountain burning with fire and smoke,
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  Speaker 3: and they're all fearful, and you know, so it is
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  Speaker 3: that fearful Day of the Lord. So it's things like that, Mondo.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just things like that that we have to
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  Speaker 3: I think, look at the galactic plane of the Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord and say, well, actually, there's probably more
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  Speaker 3: going on here about this, and it goes further back
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  Speaker 3: into how God is dealing with his people. So he
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  Speaker 3: intervenes with his people there after for whatever it is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so many centuries there in Egypt to bring
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  Speaker 3: them out, and he does it by visiting Jod upon
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  Speaker 3: the nation who is oppressing them. So that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: like I also want to look at this, well, there's
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  Speaker 3: something about the Day of the Lord there, and can
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  Speaker 3: we bring that into understanding later on what this Day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord actually is all about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great way to say it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as an introduction, because it's interesting to me
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  Speaker 2: that you know, again, I'll just reiterate through all this
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  Speaker 2: entire conversation that there is no monolithic thing that view
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  Speaker 2: or nuance of the Day of the Lord imagery that
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  Speaker 2: can be applicable to all things. It has unique it
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  Speaker 2: has unique instances which we'll discuss. And you know, when
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  Speaker 2: we look, for example, in the Old Testament, it can
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  Speaker 2: be very confusing because one section will be you know,
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  Speaker 2: the day of the Lord is referring to God's judgment
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  Speaker 2: of Israel through Assyria or through Babylon, or it's going
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  Speaker 2: to affect Egypt. And you're like, well, that was a
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  Speaker 2: long time ago, so.
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  Speaker 1: How does that affect me today?
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  Speaker 2: When Paul says in one Ceessians five, when he's talking
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  Speaker 2: about the day of the Lord, is he talking about Egypt?
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  Speaker 1: Is he talking about a Syria?
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  Speaker 2: We recognize that Paul is discussing a different element of
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  Speaker 2: the Day of the Lord, and so we can't take
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  Speaker 2: that for Sisilian's five and read it back onto Isaiah
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  Speaker 2: or Amos. So that's really important as we get into
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  Speaker 2: some of this, that we want the.
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  Speaker 1: Text to be able to speak for itself.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Biblical theology is allowing each writer in his
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  Speaker 2: own time, in his own language in one sense, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's Hebrew context versus Paul speaking writing in Greek.
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  Speaker 1: In a totally different type.
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  Speaker 2: We want to allow each writer to be understood in
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  Speaker 2: his own perspective, and then we allow that and we
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  Speaker 2: take that and we take that data and we throw
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  Speaker 2: it in like systematic theology. We say, okay, when you
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  Speaker 2: do systematic theology, you're taking a theme love, grace, faith,
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  Speaker 2: and you're looking up all the instances of the Bible,
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  Speaker 2: and then you try to reconcile, well, how does these
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  Speaker 2: all work together to present a consistent understanding of God's
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  Speaker 2: perspective as it relates to his love or grace? So
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  Speaker 2: in that sense too, that's that's the way we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do this is allowing the far and the near.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe maybe maybe if you want to go there
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  Speaker 2: explain the far in the near aspects? Is that a
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  Speaker 2: good time to bring this up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? We yeah, we can. We could certainly touch on that.
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  Speaker 3: So you probably know the references more more than I do.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, in in the prophets there you do
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  Speaker 3: have this idea that that you know, the day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord is near? In other words, so when when when?
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  Speaker 3: So when we kind of get that phrase about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's say Thessalonians. You know you're not you know in
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: on the darkness that you know you should understand the
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  Speaker 3: times and the seasons and or the day or is
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: suddenly it is it suddenly, but it does come with warning,
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  Speaker 3: and that's I think, you know, so when we understand near,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's also the idea of God is drawing near
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  Speaker 3: to his people. He's almost like just getting nearer and
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  Speaker 3: nearer and nearer, and that he's about to bring judgment
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  Speaker 3: upon the nations like say Babylon or you know, or Israel,
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  Speaker 3: and he's sending prophets to warn them that the day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord is near. You others. You're not going
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  Speaker 3: to escape this, but there's a way you can mitigate this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can repent and perhaps he'll change his mind,
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  Speaker 3: you know, perhaps he'll not he'll relent, not change, he'll
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: just relent and say he'll hold that joglum back. So
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  Speaker 3: that that's and I think where we get into the
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  Speaker 3: New Testament because I've been listening to some podcasts. I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: not going to mention who it is, but they're sort
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of this idea that that Jesus is a failed apocalyptic prophet,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because because of the things like the near
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  Speaker 3: you know, the day of the Lord is near. We
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  Speaker 3: get that also in the Book of Revelation, right, he
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  Speaker 3: is near. So so how are we to understand that
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  Speaker 3: that nearness. Well, first of all, there's a nearness in presence,
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  Speaker 3: so certainly there's a nearness in time. But there's a
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  Speaker 3: nearness as God is drawing near to his people in
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  Speaker 3: presence if they've distanced them distanced themselves from him. Right. So,
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  Speaker 3: in other words, we had that thing in I think
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  Speaker 3: it's in Hebrews or is cit Ephesians. Isn't it that
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  Speaker 3: he called those who were near and those who were far, well,
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  Speaker 3: the far were the Gentiles, and the near with the Jews.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason that the Jews were near is because
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  Speaker 3: they lived amongst the tabernacle. That's that they were near
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  Speaker 3: to him. He had drawn near to them. The Gentiles
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  Speaker 3: were far from that. So God is enacting his relationship
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  Speaker 3: with if the Jews through the tabernacle cultic system, right,
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  Speaker 3: So he's he's sort of like he's near to them. So,
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  Speaker 3: but when they move far from him in their hearts
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  Speaker 3: and in their actions, because of his covenant relationship with them,
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  Speaker 3: the day of the Lord is always near for them. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: because there's an aspect Mondo, I don't want to get
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  Speaker 3: too deep too quickly, but there's an aspect where that
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  Speaker 3: you know the place behind the veil is actually is
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  Speaker 3: actually a symbol of the day of the Lord. So
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  Speaker 3: it's that there's the Jews kind of like hold to that.
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  Speaker 3: I read I read one article where it actually says
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  Speaker 3: that the day of Atonement is is they they equate
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  Speaker 3: the day of Atonement more with the Day of the
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  Speaker 3: Lord than any other any other feast. And of course
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  Speaker 3: that day of Atonement is behind the veil. Well, it
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: was always near to them, it's just it's just it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: just behind the curtain. So, you know, so in that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: sense again you have the day of the Lord is
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  Speaker 3: near to them spatially. But but but that God draws
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  Speaker 3: near to his people because he's called them near to
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  Speaker 3: him and and they've drawn away from him. So he says, no,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't going to work, you know. So the day
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  Speaker 3: of the Lord is coming near. It's coming nearer and
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  Speaker 3: nearer and nearer to you. So there's certainly that aspect
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  Speaker 3: to the nearness. And then of course then there is
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  Speaker 3: the idea that you know that that there there's something
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  Speaker 3: in the distant future too, and of course that you know,
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  Speaker 3: don't get back to the telescope thing again, but there
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  Speaker 3: is the idea of that, you know, the prophecy of
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  Speaker 3: the Old Testament is they don't see the valleys. They
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  Speaker 3: see the two peaks together, and they're not seeing the
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  Speaker 3: telescopic they're not seeing the valley you know, in between.
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  Speaker 3: So there is something that's eschatological. But then you know,
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  Speaker 3: the question mondo is when you know it is what's
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  Speaker 3: your your your whatever your view of eschatology is, is
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  Speaker 3: going to really reflect on your understand the day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord. So so if we were talking about some
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  Speaker 3: people just see a a far away eschatology, right, it's
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  Speaker 3: just it's always it's always in the distance, and nothing
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  Speaker 3: has really been achieved. You know, we're waiting for it. Well,
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  Speaker 3: in one sense there that there was a fineness to that, okay,
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  Speaker 3: but that you know, I hold to an inaugurated eschatology.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, Jesus, Jesus comes in the dispensation of
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  Speaker 3: the fullness of times. So we get that, right, we
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  Speaker 3: get that in the in the New Testament, Paul says,
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  Speaker 3: and so when he he so he's coming in a
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  Speaker 3: particular dispensation. So when he comes, he launches the last days.
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  Speaker 3: So he is the Eschaton, right, So that's why we
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  Speaker 3: get in the New Testament you know, with John particular,
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  Speaker 3: these are the last days, the last days? Why well,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: why are the last day two thousand years? Well, the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: last days because Jesus has drawn near to his people.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: He's come to them in covenant. Of course they've rejected him,
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  Speaker 3: but even now Jesus is still near. We think Jesus
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  Speaker 3: has gone away, there is a going away for him,
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  Speaker 3: but he's because of his incarnation. He's he's he's permanently
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  Speaker 3: he's near to us. And so you know, that's why
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  Speaker 3: for him in the Book of Revelation he can say, oh,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: John can say the day of the Lord is near
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: because you know, when he's writing about to the you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: to the churches, Jesus is almost talking like it's the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: judgment is right here. I'm at the doors repent. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't, I'm going to remove your candlestick from his place.
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  Speaker 3: So and this is where talk about these podcasts I've
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  Speaker 3: been listening to just to get a and there they're
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: usually a lot of ex Christians, and you know, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that particularly one. I don't know I'm allowed to mention names,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: but you could. You can block this out if you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: if you if you want to. But bar Ermin is
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  Speaker 3: a is a classic is a classic one, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and because he used to be, you know, a full
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: fundamentalist believer and what have you. So but I go
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  Speaker 3: to these voices to try and understand what their objection
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  Speaker 3: to or their assertion that Jesus has a failed apocalyptic prophet,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and then you know, they try to defend him, or
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: some people try to defend Jesus. But we don't really
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: have to defend Jesus. We just had to seek to
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: understand what he's saying because we don't believe he's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: failed apocalyptic prophet obviously. So you know, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: that knee and that asked far aspect, do you want
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  Speaker 3: to just go take from that?
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, you know, I've read a lot of
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Burger and myself, and you know, everybody has their own journey.
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  Speaker 2: He went to Moody actually where I went, and then
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: departed for other reasons. But the challenge that we have
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  Speaker 2: here is in thinking about the day of the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: What is the day of the Lord? I mean the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: day of the Lord?
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately you read some phrases or some definitions, but it's this,
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  Speaker 2: it's a it's an event, it's a time period, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a it's it's it's where God intrudes in the world.
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  Speaker 1: And what I like about it is.
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  Speaker 2: That, and I like what you're saying there, Graham, is
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  Speaker 2: that there is a a if you want to use
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  Speaker 2: the term, a physical nearness, that imminence, that the doctrine
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  Speaker 2: of God's imminence. I am m a where God is
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  Speaker 2: present with his people. And as you mentioned too, with Israel,
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  Speaker 2: they were given the covenants, the glory you know of
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  Speaker 2: the law you name it. They had God's presence there
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  Speaker 2: at the temple. And so to who much is given,
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  Speaker 2: much is required. So the Day of the Lord is
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  Speaker 2: including this, this time of accountability. It's a time of judgment.
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  Speaker 2: It's a time when God is going to punish the
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  Speaker 2: world rebels that rebel against His cosmic order of.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Justice and righteousness and holiness.
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  Speaker 2: But it also right behind it, it includes a time
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  Speaker 2: of renewal, a time of restoration. That's the beauty of
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  Speaker 2: what I see is whether that happened in God's judgment
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  Speaker 2: in the Old Testament, when the people of Israel were rebellious,
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  Speaker 2: he brought judgment, and then most of the time they repented,
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  Speaker 2: and God was very gracious and he provided again forgiveness
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  Speaker 2: and restoration, and then of course, as we know, the
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  Speaker 2: cycle continued. But in our current world, we look around
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  Speaker 2: and we see the advancement of the Church the last
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  Speaker 2: two thousand years, and we've seen great headway into different
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  Speaker 2: cultures and salvations of every tribe, tongue, nation, people. But
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  Speaker 2: we also know what encourages me about the day of
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  Speaker 2: the Lord, and that it's coming and that it has
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: been here certain aspects. But when I think looking forward,
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  Speaker 2: I think I look forward to the time when God
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  Speaker 2: not so much that I just can't wait for God
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  Speaker 2: to judge the world, even though there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people who are rebels that need to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 2: I like that phraseology. I also know that He's going
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  Speaker 2: to interrupt and stop the way that the world is
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  Speaker 2: currently being run by what we understand Jesus's language. There's
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  Speaker 2: in John twelve fourteen and sixteen the ruler of this
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  Speaker 2: world refer to Satan or secretary is four for the
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  Speaker 2: God of this world. You know, the whole world lies
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  Speaker 2: into the power of the wicked one. So you have
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: this world system which is opposed to God's kingdom.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So God is going to come and his whole.
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  Speaker 2: His goal is going to interrupt and remove Satan from
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  Speaker 2: that place. And then, as we know, he's going to judge,
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  Speaker 2: and then he's going to allow Jesus to come and
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  Speaker 2: to bring restoration and renewal. And to me, that brings
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  Speaker 2: a courage work. We're not stuck in it. I guess
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  Speaker 2: I'll say it this way. Some systems of eschatology think
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that this is it, this is the best we're going
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to get there. The Church is going to continue advance,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it's going to ebb and flow, and it's and it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: influence in the world.
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  Speaker 1: But this is it.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to go on forever, and that people
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  Speaker 2: when people die, they go to Heaven and then they're
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: part of that kingdom. That's not what the Bible teaches.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Jesus is going to interrupt this world and he's going
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  Speaker 2: to sit on a throne and rule from Jerusalem, where
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the wolf will lay down with the lamb, the lion
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  Speaker 2: will each strat like an ox, and you'll have this again,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: as you mentioned earlier, this thousand year millennial period. To me,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that judgment followed by restoration the Day of Lord.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that.
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  Speaker 2: Is we're at the end of the age Graham. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to go on for another five.
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  Speaker 1: Thousand years, no, no, no, So to.
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  Speaker 2: Me, that's the exciting part of what is the Day
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: of the Lord. Well, it includes again this judgment portion,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: which we can talk about, but right behind it is
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the renewal of the restoration and the hope.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that when you said that, you
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: know he's going to intervene, interrupt history, that the way
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  Speaker 3: mankind is going, because first of all, he came to
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  Speaker 3: his people, Israel, and he put conditions upon them, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: to being because you know, I am the God who reigns,
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  Speaker 3: I am king, and he was their king. And then
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: he comes as their king, this carpenter from Galilee, this
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  Speaker 3: donkey riding carpenter from Galilee. The reason I say that
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  Speaker 3: is because the imagery there in Zacharai is absolutely phenomenal
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: as to what Zacharai is prophesying. And we don't get
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  Speaker 3: a white horse rider there. We get a man on
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  Speaker 3: a donkey, a king on a donkey who is going
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  Speaker 3: to write the world right the cosmos. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: as far out as you can get in terms of
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  Speaker 3: ambition for anyone. Right. But the fact that he's already
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  Speaker 3: inaugurated it. The fact that he's already begun the process
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  Speaker 3: guarantees that he is going to finish it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the work that I've begun in you, I will finish.
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  Speaker 3: That's the work he's begun in the cosmos, he will finish.
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  Speaker 3: And so the first, the first time really he comes Mondo,
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  Speaker 3: he's coming to his people. He's not coming to the nations.
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  Speaker 3: He's coming to his people. The Day of the Lord
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  Speaker 3: is drawing near to them. In this, from this, in
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  Speaker 3: this carpenter, from Galilee, this incarnate God, the God now
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  Speaker 3: is suddenly coming to his temples. So we've got to
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  Speaker 3: look at all of that. How Jesus just doing Day
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: of the Lord stuff. But then but then he he leaves,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: he goes away, and then he commissions his disciples. Now
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you go into all the nations. And so interesting that
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the nations now have had the same amount of time
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  Speaker 3: roughly that that Abraham sed has had, you know, from
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  Speaker 3: two thousand years to two thousand, two thousand BC to
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  Speaker 3: two thousand. We've had another two thousand. So it's so
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: the nations now are non exempt from this Day of
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the Lord event. They can't say, well, we don't know
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: about this. You know, we were serving Marduk, we were
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: serving her A Masdo, we were serving this one, that one.
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  Speaker 3: Because now that the whole world has heard the Gospels,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: so the whole world is held accountable. That's that's what
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Paul is talking about in Romans. And so the nations
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  Speaker 3: now are going to be visited by the Day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord. So what began in Israel was really strictly
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  Speaker 3: for Israel, is now going to be is going to
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: be for the entire planet. All nations are going to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: going to be brought into that. Nobody can escape the
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Day of the Lord. That's what we get in the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Book of Revelation. Who can stand? They hide themselves in
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  Speaker 3: the rocks, and they fall on us and all that,
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  Speaker 3: and who could the day of his wrath is calm
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  Speaker 3: and the lamb and who can who can stand? Et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, there is, like you were saying, there
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  Speaker 3: is the judgment aspect of that, but there's also the renewal.
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  Speaker 3: And now some as we've noted, some theologians and scholars,
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  Speaker 3: it's diverse. They just see the Day of the Lord
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: either as that I think I don't think you mentioned that,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: but that that twenty four hour period, let's say, on
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  Speaker 3: the day the day that Jesus comes and his white
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  Speaker 3: horse right to to to put down the Antichrist and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: the enemies of God, et cetera, and to reclaim to
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  Speaker 3: claim the nations. So some who just see it as that,
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  Speaker 3: there are some who see it as the what we
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  Speaker 3: call the entire tribulation period, right, so you know from that, however,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: people you know, have a long people believe that is
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: so that the tribulation period from uh, the that then
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that culminates in his in his coming uh and then
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  Speaker 3: that you know, somehow then that's that's the end of
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the day the Lord. But then there are others, and
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna get from you that you you
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  Speaker 3: believe this also that believe there's a there's the blessing
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  Speaker 3: aspect of it too. There's the renewal aspect of it,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: because God doesn't he just he doesn't just destroy. He
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: always destroys and rebuilds. And so that the mandate of
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the Messiah is not just to tear down Babylon to destroy,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: it's actually to rebuild, and it's to build God's kingdom
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: on the earth, to build his temple upon the earth.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: That's again, that's Day of the Lord stuff. So it's
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: a whole lot broader, it's a whole lot bigger. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: so for that reason, some people incorporate the millennium into
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the Day of the Lord, you know. And I tend
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to think it's really difficult to sort of separate Jesus
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: coming with his destruction, which is going to do you
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: know at that final the final great day of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Day of the Lord. Let's just say, and then suddenly,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: well what do I do now? No, he's coming with
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the Day of the Lord. So he's coming with the
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: authority and the power to restore and to renew and
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: to subject the kingdoms to him. Isn't it amazing? And all,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: you know, the Mountain of the Lord will be lifted up,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the nations will flow into the Mountain of the Lord
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: to come to hear the word of the Lord flowing
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: from Jerusalem. So that's all the Sianic mandate, and that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the day he brings.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the aspect here too. And
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  Speaker 2: I was going to read a passage because one of
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  Speaker 2: the one when the Bible has talked about the Day
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  Speaker 2: of Lord a lot no doubt in the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 2: But what God was doing was he actually was confronting
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  Speaker 2: the people because the people they had an idea of.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, this is great.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: We want the day of the Lord to come because
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: we want God to destroy all of our enemies. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: you know, that's very natural. I think as humans, we
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: look around and we see these things. But God says,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: be careful what you ask for. And so in Amus
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: chapter five, verse eighteen, he says, woe to you who
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: desire the day of the Lord. Why would you desire
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the day of the Lord. It is darkness and not light,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: as if a man fled from a lion and a
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: bear met him, or went into the house and leaned
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: his hand against the wall and a serpent bit him.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Is not the day of the Lord. Darkness and not
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: light and gloom with no brightness in it.
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  Speaker 1: So I think there's we have to be careful that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I just can't wait for the tribulation period, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or becoming judgment as it relates to maybe that point
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  Speaker 2: of the tribulation, which we know the tribulation period of
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  Speaker 2: Revelation six through nineteen is very challenging. It is a
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  Speaker 2: time of judgment. It is as you mentioned in Revelation
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  Speaker 2: one John has catapulted to see the Lordy day or
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  Speaker 2: the day of the Lord, the Lord's day, however you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to phrase it, and it's a time that is.
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  Speaker 1: What you do see is this.
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  Speaker 2: This is serious judgment. There is no light in it.
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  Speaker 2: It's at the moment. This is where, as you read
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, unrepentant sinners should fear the day of
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  Speaker 2: the Lord, because God is getting extremely serious and human
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  Speaker 2: history has come to its normal natural course, and at
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  Speaker 2: least at the end of the age. There's an aspect
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  Speaker 2: here where God says, Okay, I've allowed it to go
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  Speaker 2: this long, and I'm wrapping it up, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to interfere and interrupt and bring judgment on thousands and
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  Speaker 2: thousands of years of rebellion. And then God says, and
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  Speaker 2: now my son is gonna come as.
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  Speaker 1: A human Jesus is a human being.
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  Speaker 2: He's a son of Adam, he's a daughter, he's a
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  Speaker 2: son of Eve, and as a messiah figure, and humanity
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  Speaker 2: is finally going to have its blessing to be ruled
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  Speaker 2: by a perfect human which will be nic yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. And also and you know, just to speak
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  Speaker 3: to that too, is that, yeah, because I once says,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Israelites are saying, yeah, come and destroy
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  Speaker 3: destroy our enemy, is you know, God's enemies. And of
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  Speaker 3: course they were God's enemies. This is what he's warning at,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Because and so when you get that picture
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  Speaker 3: in the Book of Revelation, because it's the let's just
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  Speaker 3: get let's just look at that. It's the revelation of
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, which God gave him then to show to
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  Speaker 3: his servants, and he gave it to his angel to
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  Speaker 3: show to his servant John. But the first thing John sees,
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  Speaker 3: and he's caught up into the spirit on the Lord's day, right,
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  Speaker 3: So the first thing he sees is not the destruction
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  Speaker 3: of the world. He sees Jesus walking amongst the candlesticks,
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  Speaker 3: judging his churches. And you know, and we tend to
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  Speaker 3: forget that. We tend to think that that's somehow, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a preamble to the whole day of the Lord stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not. It's actually part of the day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord. So those who are who are wanting the
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: day of the Lord, you know, those who are us
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: who believe we're on the we're on the right side.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should be immersing ourselves in and we actually,
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  Speaker 3: is there anything in those read letters there in the
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  Speaker 3: seven Churches that we need to really you know, correct
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  Speaker 3: ourselves or you know, whether where the layer the Seans,
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  Speaker 3: the Philadelphians, do you know what I'm saying. So they're
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  Speaker 3: addressed to those churches for a reason. But we know
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  Speaker 3: they're historic churches. But the reason that they're still in
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that they're part of the Day of the Lord judgment.
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  Speaker 3: So we have to take that very seriously because that's
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  Speaker 3: where Jesus says, repent. If you don't repent, I'm coming,
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming quickly. I'm going to remove your your your
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  Speaker 3: candlestick from his place, et cetera. So you know, the
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: whole idea of judgment begins in the house of the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: So again I think, just picking up what you were saying,
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  Speaker 3: we have to be careful we don't become like you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Israelites with Amos and you know, you know we
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: want the day of the Lord. It's like, oh, okay,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: do you really want the day of the Lord? Because
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: you know his light is going to shine through the
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: churches and you know the judgment will begin there first,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and that maybe plays into rapture, rapture stuff. But it's
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  Speaker 3: just that there's more. There's more to the Day of
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  Speaker 3: the Lord than just God getting angry at a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of transgender people or something like that. Do you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It's it's it's it's cosmic. It's
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: it's the cosmic disorder being reordered. It's the end of
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  Speaker 3: the age. It's the end of human history as we
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  Speaker 3: know it and as we think it's just going to
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  Speaker 3: go on forever. Like you say, this is just the
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  Speaker 3: way of things. And that's why Peter says, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when they're saying about in the last days, people will
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  Speaker 3: be scoffing, whereas the sign of His coming et cetera,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: et cetera, and that old things are going to continue
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: as they can can continue. But no, this day is
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: going to come suddenly, but it won't come without warning,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: which is why Jesus actually gives us the Book of Revelation.
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  Speaker 3: He gets us that revelation to actually to sort of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: get our lives ready for him. But there's something here.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just read this from this article. It says the
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  Speaker 3: Old Testament portrays the Day of the Lord is punishment
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  Speaker 3: through overlapping images of cataclysm, war and sacrifice. It highlights
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  Speaker 3: the day is renewal by emphasizing how God's presence will
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  Speaker 3: rest on these people in the midst of a Messianic
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  Speaker 3: dividic reign. So you know this is what begins all
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  Speaker 3: the way back in the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know, let me ask you this because
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you know, theology is very deep in the scripture, and
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  Speaker 2: no doubt that God obviously has written you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: one hundred scriptures that speak about the Day of the Lord,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: you know, in practical terms, you know, kind of getting
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: towards the end of this initial introductionory session, you know, what.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: What does the Day of the Lord?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: We've we've given a definition and we've talked about you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: what it is and what it includes, you know, against
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: cataclysm and war and sacrifice as you just mentioned the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: way the Old Testament depicts it. You know, in one sense, Graham,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from a pastoral perspective, what does God want
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  Speaker 2: the average Christian to know? We're given theology, what does
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  Speaker 2: he want them to do with this information?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Well, well, I always go back to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I talk about the churches, what Jesus says to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the churches. And and again it depends on your you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: a person's view of salvation. It's it's just so much
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: feet into this, you know, the once saved, always saved,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But when Jesus talking to his churches,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: he threatens to spew some of them out of his mouth.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I mean that is. And the idea there, of course,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: is I'd rather have your hot cold. It's not soy.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: We call Christian talk about the water there they what's
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: the is it lad to see?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: You lad to see?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's lad to say. So they had these in
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  Speaker 3: the city there. They used to pipe the water in
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: through the aqueducts. So it began with it began a
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: very hot out of the springs. Of course, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the way they were. The Romans were great with
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  Speaker 3: their aqueducts, and so that's where they got the water
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  Speaker 3: into the city. But you know, you could do something
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: with hot water, you could do something with cold water. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So you can bathe in hot water, you can swim
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: in cold water. Both are refreshing, both the cleansing. You
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: can drink hot water a nice cup of tea, or
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you can drink cold water. Both are refreshing. Nobody wants
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: to do anything in luke warm water. And if you're
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: drinking it, yeah, I mean, okay, you Americans. I was
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: over there, mom doo. I don't get iced tea. I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: don't get iced tea at all. It's just like sorry,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: by tea has got to be hot. But either than
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: people you know can drink cold tea. That's that's very
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: but lookewarm to me is like cold tea. I was
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  Speaker 3: at a hotel and I took a breakfast one and
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  Speaker 3: I took a sip because my tongue is used to
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: hot tea, right, I could even kind of drink lots
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: so like loot warm tea because okay, I'll put it
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: back in the microwave or something. But but just take
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the analogy there of And I took some tea and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I thought it was apple juice. I thought it was
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: apple and it was cold tea, and I put it
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: and I and I spewed it out because it was
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: it was disgusting to me. You know. It's that sort
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: of thing what Jesus is saying to his people. He's
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: not saying you're not believers. He's not saying you're not.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: He said, he said, I would rather have you hot.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: In other words, if you're hot, you're beneficial to me.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: If you're cold, you're beneficial to the kingdom. If you're hot,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: you're beneficial to the kingdom. In terms of ingesting, if
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: you look warm, he talked about him, if you look warm,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I'll spew you out. You know, he will take a
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: sip and he will, I mean, and that is something
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  Speaker 3: we So that that for me is like out of
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  Speaker 3: all of those warnings, the letters that I get, it's Lord,
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  Speaker 3: let me be hot or cold, you understand, Let me
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: be useful, let me be you know you would use
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  Speaker 3: the word on fire, right, So let me be hot
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  Speaker 3: or let me but let me be let me be
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  Speaker 3: the water, the living water which is off the kingdom,
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  Speaker 3: which is bringing refreshing either way or cleansing either way.
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  Speaker 3: So I've first got to be cleansed. But because I
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to be the one who spewed out. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, my my urging always for people is is
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: is when we when we read this And so maybe
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you know, Mondo, if when we when we read the
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Book of Revelation, maybe we should just like spend more
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: time in the Seven the letters to the seven Churches,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: and just what is Jesus actually saying to his people,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: because you know, he rebeaked all of them except for
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: except for one, except for one church, you know, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: he but then he gave them an opportunity to repent, repent,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: and if you repent, I'll give you white stone. If
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: you repent, I'll do this, I'll do that. So there's
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: always hoping that So that would be my you know,
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  Speaker 3: sort of like message to encourage people just to be
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: let's get our lives ready for the coming day of
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: the Lord, because we participate it, participate in it. We
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: will and we might even you know, either way, we
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: will be a participant in the day of the Lord,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: either through the raptor event you know, just there on
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: the onset of that day, or or you know, again,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: if it depends on people's view of whether they think
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: everybody's going up, and I just don't tend to think
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: everybody is so but that's just my you know what.
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  Speaker 3: I see what Jesus is saying about the five you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: the bridegrooms, the bridesmaids, you know, the ten five wives,
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  Speaker 3: five foolish he's talking to people there who were expecting
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: his coming. So let's go back to those people who
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not judging them, because I judge myself that the
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: people who think that Jesus is a failed apocalyptic prophet,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: should they be alive when he comes, they will see that,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: they will see he's not failed at all. But you
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  Speaker 3: have spent your life speaking against him. Yeah, well, I
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: don't want my life not speaking against him, but I
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: don't want my life to be not for him, you know,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: just engaged in the stuff of this world, and you
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: realize it's just it's a lot of it is just
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: it's just time wasting. It's nonsense, a lot of it. God.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will say this that you know they, like
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: you mentioned one Peter four seventeen, judgment begins at the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: House of God. We see Roman chapter two. It says
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: something very similar about Israel, that they received the blessings first,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: but they also received the curse first because of their
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: proximity to the light, the light of God, which was
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: given to them.
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  Speaker 1: And again Luke twelve to much has given much as required.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So we see those principles there, and so that's important
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: as we think about that what the day of the
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Lord is. Next time, we'll we'll talk about when other things.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say this, you know, Graham in England,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I've been there now and it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Doesn't get too hot there.
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  Speaker 2: If you came down here where it feels like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen and I gave you hot tea outside,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, where's.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: The iced tea at?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I need something refreshing. So you might change your mind,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: but you know, yeah, the so so next time, where
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: are were going to go?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Next time? You know, we want to let's wrap this
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: up where we're going to go?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we'll do you know, next time, we'll
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: look at when when is the Day of the Lord?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: So it's so like we'll launch off this. We had
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: all these notes and we've done one paragraph. But hey,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: that's what it's That's what it's about, right, and the
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: things get brought out. So I think we'll talk about,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe when is the Day of the Lord?
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And I go back into summer. Like we said, the
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: passover event, you know is somehow so it's looking like
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: a Day of Lord event, but certainly with Babylon. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: and it's interesting you mentioned that earlier on because Babylon
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: is of course is addressed in the in the Book
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: of Revelation, so you know that theme of Babylon and
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Egypt too. I thought it might be good, Mondo, if
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: we finished with the scripture here in Jeremiah fifty one,
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  Speaker 3: can I read that. Do we have time to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's meurishure with that, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, because will it will sort of encapsulate everything that
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: we've spoken about, this destruction and renewal and the response
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  Speaker 3: to the people of God to come out of Babylon.
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  Speaker 3: So thus says the Lord, Behold, I will stir up
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  Speaker 3: the spirit of a destroyer against Babylon, against the inhabitants
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  Speaker 3: of come I, and I will send to Babylon winnowers,
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  Speaker 3: and they shall winnow her, and they shall empty her
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  Speaker 3: land when they come against her from every side on
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  Speaker 3: the day of trouble. It's the day of the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: Let not the archer bend his boat, and let him
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  Speaker 3: not stand up in his armor. Spare not her young
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  Speaker 3: men devote to destruction all her army. They shall fall down,
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  Speaker 3: slain in the land of the Chaldeans and wounded in
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  Speaker 3: her streets. For Israel and Judah have not been forsaken
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  Speaker 3: by their God, the Lord of Hosts. But the land
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  Speaker 3: of the Chaldeans is full of guilt against the Holy
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  Speaker 3: One of Israel. Flee from the midst of Babylon. Let everyone,
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  Speaker 3: save his life, be not cut off in her punishment,
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  Speaker 3: for this is the time of the Lord's vengeance, the
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  Speaker 3: repayment he is rendering her. Babylon was a golden cop
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  Speaker 3: in the Lord's hand, making all the earth drunken. The
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  Speaker 3: nations drank off her wine. Therefore the nations went mad. Suddenly,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: suddenly Babylon has fallen and been broken. Wail for her,
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  Speaker 3: Take balm for her pain. Perhaps she may be healed.
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  Speaker 3: We would have healed Babylon, but she was not healed.
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  Speaker 3: Forsake her, and let us go each to his own country,
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  Speaker 3: for her judgment has reached up to heaven and has
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: been lifted up even to the skies. The Lord has
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: brought about our vindication. Come, let us declare in Zion
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  Speaker 3: the word of the Lord, our God. Sharpen the arrows,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: take up the shields. So you know that's the war cry.
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  Speaker 3: And again I suppose Mondo to say, how many of God,
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  Speaker 3: how many of us in the Church, God, how many
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: of us are in Babylon. How many of us have
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: not forsaken Babylon? And we can only answer that individually,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: but it just stirs you to Okay, I'm getting out
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  Speaker 3: of Babylon. I don't need Babylon, you know, it's just anyway.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's my contribution.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: There, very good, very good clothes, and Graham, it's always
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: good to chat.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And then and for those watching join us.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: We will in the series for a little bit of
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: time and we want to cover again the day of
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the Lord and also, as you've seen, to make it
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: practical that God. The warning, as Graham mentioned, the warning
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: is to get us prepared to check our hearts. Are
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: we truly separating ourselves from the world system. We can't
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: go out of the world, that's for sure, but are
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: we saying up breading ourselves from the system and seeking
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: first the Kingdom of God? So thanks for watching today again,
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