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Heroines of Horror: The True Haunting Behind Vessel · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: I ended up going to a psychic that I met
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  Speaker 1: at a party, and that's kind of where we leave
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: off with our story and pick up in our movie Vessel,
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  Speaker 1: like what happened next, because involving the psychic kind of
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: escalated the situation and things got a little crazier.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it goes a lot of times. It's like
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  Speaker 3: they sense you're trying to.
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  Speaker 4: Get rid of me, right, I will be holding on.
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  Speaker 2: Hi Kitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.
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  Speaker 5: Hello.
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  Speaker 6: If you're new to our creepy corner of the world,
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  Speaker 6: this is PNW Hanson Homicides where we chat about true crime,
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  Speaker 6: the paranormal, and all things spooky, creepy, witchy in the
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  Speaker 6: Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 3: And we also do a tarot reading at the end
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  Speaker 3: of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
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  Speaker 3: into our topic.
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  Speaker 6: We do have some special guests today with us. We
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  Speaker 6: have Aurora and Fanny, who are founders of The Bad
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  Speaker 6: Witch's Productions, a fem led indie production company that focuses
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  Speaker 6: on supporting women and their stories, which is very important.
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  Speaker 6: Fanny is directing their latest project, a horror short called Vessel,
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  Speaker 6: based on something that Aurora actually experienced. So can we
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  Speaker 6: just start right off, because I need to know, like
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  Speaker 6: what happened and why did you decide to make a
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  Speaker 6: movie out of it?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, so I experienced some ghost activity, and this was
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  Speaker 1: during a time that was like a little tumultuous for me,
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  Speaker 1: which I now understand is probably like how this happens
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, because like the more your
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  Speaker 1: life is in chaos, the more you are to track
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  Speaker 1: kind of some weird energy it invites, right, So just
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  Speaker 1: you know, keep it light everyone, if you don't want
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  Speaker 1: this to happen to you, keep a jill, keep it fun,
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  Speaker 1: keep it happy. But yeah, we all have a ghost
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  Speaker 1: in this economy.
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  Speaker 7: Final show ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, So at the time, it was during the
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  Speaker 1: film strikes, and so it was this thing where my
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  Speaker 1: husband and I, who both work in film, thought that
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was going to last like a couple of
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  Speaker 1: months with the writer strikes. And of course we're kind
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  Speaker 1: of not really out of it. Technically we're out of
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  Speaker 1: the strikes, but studios still aren't doing shows and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But we were kind of thrown in the situation where
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  Speaker 1: we had just finished working on a show in Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: Percy Jackson, and we were going to take like a
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  Speaker 1: little break until we found our next show. Go stay
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  Speaker 1: with my parents in Columbus, Ohio, where I'm from, and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of spend some time with them. My mom
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  Speaker 1: allegedly was going through some health issues. It's hard to
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  Speaker 1: know with her, like whatever is going on, She's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of an unhinged person, right happy, So we
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  Speaker 1: go to stay with her, and like three days into
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  Speaker 1: what we assume would be a couple of weeks, my
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  Speaker 1: mom and I have this big blow up fight, which
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  Speaker 1: is pretty standard in our family. My mom has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of mental health stuff. Honestly me too, and so
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  Speaker 1: like we had this clash right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 1: and so my husband and I decided to just like
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  Speaker 1: kind of hang out in Columbus for a bit, see
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  Speaker 1: if my mom decided to pull it together and spend
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  Speaker 1: some time with my sister and her kids. And one
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  Speaker 1: of my sister's kids who's like in their twenties. They
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  Speaker 1: are their name's Clay, and they're also into very spooky
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  Speaker 1: stuff like I am. Honestly, it's like Clay is like
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  Speaker 1: my child. The most women's similarities. Yeah, And so we
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  Speaker 1: were trying to think of things to do. And we
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  Speaker 1: decided to make a list of the most haunted places
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  Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio, and we were gonna make like we
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  Speaker 1: put him on a map, and we're going to go
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  Speaker 1: around to each one and just kind of like talk
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  Speaker 1: to people if they had ever seen or experienced anything,
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of see, like what's really going on
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  Speaker 1: with the ghost scene in Columbus, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, love that? Well, I'm sure it started off great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you like, do I love that? Is this a
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  Speaker 4: good idea?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: Organize a list and a map of all the places
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  Speaker 3: that I need to stay far far far far far right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we went right into it.
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  Speaker 1: And we started off with the Celton House, which is
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  Speaker 1: this really old house in Victorian Village in Columbus, and
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  Speaker 1: this old family has owned it for hundreds of years.
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  Speaker 1: Like the great great grandfather was very involved in Columbus politics.
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  Speaker 1: He even carried Lincoln's casket in his funeral, which was
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  Speaker 1: like a big honor to be a paul Bear in
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  Speaker 1: a president's funeral. So like they're this very wealthy connected
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  Speaker 1: family and they're like attributed for helping establish Columbus. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: And so this house is like still there. It was
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  Speaker 1: part of the underground railroad. There's like all this cool
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  Speaker 1: history to it, and part of a history is definitely
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  Speaker 1: a ghost history. Each October they do a ghost tour.
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  Speaker 1: When I was there, it was in April, so there
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  Speaker 1: were no ghost tours going on, so we decided just
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  Speaker 1: to go on a regular historical tour. They kind of
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  Speaker 1: show you around the house and talk about the Celton
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  Speaker 1: family and you know, all these cool happenings there. So
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  Speaker 1: while we're there, we're asking the host of the tour
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  Speaker 1: if she's ever experienced anything ghostly.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, like one, what on a tour, I have
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  Speaker 6: to make it into a ghost tour?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like this isn't a ghost stour, it's about to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she's kind of not in the mood to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, and she mentions like a couple things to
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  Speaker 1: us about how there are like a number of people
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  Speaker 1: who have died in this house. Of course, like families
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  Speaker 1: like during that time would stay at home when they're
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  Speaker 1: about to pass away. So there's people like dying of
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  Speaker 1: like natural causes. There was a little girl who fell
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  Speaker 1: out of the second story window and broke her neck
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  Speaker 1: and died. There's like a soldier that came there to
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  Speaker 1: visit the family and had been like wounded.
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  Speaker 4: He died there.
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  Speaker 1: And there's like all these stories along with that and
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  Speaker 1: the underground railroad stuff, so allegedly this place is quite haunted.
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  Speaker 1: And when I asked if this lady had experienced anything specific,
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  Speaker 1: she said, occasionally lights would flicker and she would smell
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  Speaker 1: cigarette smoke, and whenever she would smell that, she knew
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  Speaker 1: it was Grace. They're like big resident ghost.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Grace was like the last person to own the
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  Speaker 1: Celton House. She was the daughter of this like lineage
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  Speaker 1: family and she didn't have any siblings or children, so
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  Speaker 1: she was the last to own it. And when she
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  Speaker 1: passed away in the seventies, she left the house to
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  Speaker 1: a historical organization to preserve all this cool stuff about it,
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  Speaker 1: and so she's known to kind of like hang out there.
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  Speaker 1: And after the tour, my nibbling and I and nibbling's
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  Speaker 1: the term for non binary needs Inphew.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was not such a cute word like nibbling.
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  Speaker 1: I love it's adorable, and Clay is also adorable, So
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  Speaker 1: I love that it's like such a cute word to describe.
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  Speaker 4: Such a cute person.
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  Speaker 2: It's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: So we're looking around and we're looking in this china cabinet.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: I have my phone now I'm making content for my
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  Speaker 1: true crime account, my TikTok and stuff we do like
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  Speaker 1: true ghost haunted stories like sometimes. So I'm like trying
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  Speaker 1: to get video of the house whatever for that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like videoing inside this cabinet, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the door slams closed, and we're just like gets an
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  Speaker 1: old house.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: We both look at each other and we're like Grace jokingly,
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  Speaker 1: like Grace doesn't want us looking at her dishes, so
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  Speaker 1: we just we don't think much of it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it could have been the houses off, you know,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's still settling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hundreds of years later, yeah yeah. So that was
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  Speaker 1: like the first little like mini thing. And then we
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  Speaker 1: go out to the car and it's April and Columbus.
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  Speaker 1: So it had been like really nice and sunny, a
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: beautiful spring day. But now the weather has shifted. It's
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  Speaker 1: cold and rainy. So we go out to my jeep
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like pushing the button to turn on the heat,
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  Speaker 1: like pushing it up, up, up, up, up and nothing's happening,
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  Speaker 1: and like five seconds later just like shoots up like
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  Speaker 1: twenty degrees and it's a new jeep. I've never experienced
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  Speaker 1: any like weird electrical things in it.
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  Speaker 4: And again, my nibbling and I.
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  Speaker 1: Are like think it's silly, and we're like Grace, she's
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  Speaker 1: following us around that Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so she's like, yeah, they want me here.
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  Speaker 4: Right, They're like calling me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like obsessy.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So then like over the next week, stranger things
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  Speaker 1: start happening. And the first of the events that I
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: start to pick up on for real is that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sleeping well. And part of that is because when
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  Speaker 1: I try to fall asleep, there's like this orange light
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  Speaker 1: in my subconscious and I've never experienced that before. It's
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  Speaker 1: like normally when you go to sleep, it's lights out.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's black, and the color of speak to me. If
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  Speaker 1: I if I had to think of a color which
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  Speaker 1: I'd never thought of before this, I'd.
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  Speaker 4: Be like, sleep is black, Like sleep is nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great, but like I can't fall asleep because
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  Speaker 1: it's like there's like this light on inside of my
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  Speaker 1: mind and I'm sleeping in this dark room with I
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: always have like a face mask on, like I am
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  Speaker 1: like such a bedtime princess. I have like my likey
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  Speaker 1: meds I take like I'm tee this, like I have
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  Speaker 1: like new moisture. I run my lip gloss like my
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  Speaker 1: face mask, Like I love this.
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  Speaker 7: Say that's true.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm not sleeping. My sleep's orange. It's creepy.
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  Speaker 1: And then my dog hurts growling at me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like at first I was like, oh, maybe
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: he ate something weird and needs to go for a walk.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's still a little weird that he's growling at me,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, if you got to go, you gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: So like I didn't react to listen, that's fine. So
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  Speaker 1: like I take him for a walk, and he's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, sniffing around. He peas once
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  Speaker 1: or twice. He's doing normal dog stuff. Clearly he doesn't
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom and that's not why.
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  Speaker 4: He had woken up.
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  Speaker 1: So we go back inside and then he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: restless and he's trying to get like comfortable by me.
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  Speaker 1: But when I woke up again, like a couple hours later,
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  Speaker 1: he's sleeping in the closet, like he wouldn't sleep next
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  Speaker 1: to me, And from that night on he wouldn't sleep
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: next to me. He started sleeping in the closet, which
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  Speaker 1: is like such an active betrayal.
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  Speaker 4: Are you leaving me to deal with this ghost?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be such a red flag for me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it.
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  Speaker 2: Was in the closet and he was protecting you from it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well let's let's explore that, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's what it was.
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  Speaker 7: But had run away first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's like he's kind of like a
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: fussy dog. He's a Pomeranian, but he always sleeps right
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  Speaker 1: next to me in bad he like pretty much sleeps
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  Speaker 1: on my pillow like I sleep in my side, and
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: he's a little like nook right next to me, Like
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: he's not necessarily cuddly, but he likes to at least
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  Speaker 1: steal my warmth.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I want to be near you.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know that you're not leaving me and
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: going and having right snacks without me, right, I love secrets.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, everyone, So you know I get this point, Like
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  Speaker 8: I can like I can tell something's weird, but I'm
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  Speaker 8: also going through this trauma, like the fight with my
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  Speaker 8: mom was exponential, and I'm going through hard time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not working a lot of film. People like are
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: worried about losing houses and stuff like it's going on
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: so long, so like I'm in a state of stress.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, maybe it's just because of that. Like
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: the next big thing that happened was I want to
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: get my nails done and I want to a place
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: that does gel manicures. So I put my hand in
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  Speaker 1: under the lamp to cure it, and every time I
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: put my hand in the light turns off. And so
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: my nail tech's like, that's weird and gets out a
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: different lamp.
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  Speaker 4: Same thing. I put my hand in, the light goes off.
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  Speaker 2: That is really weird, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the nail tech next to us gets involved.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, maybe it's the electrical thing.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: She uses the lamp like, she puts her hand in there,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: she used it for a client. Works just fine, same outlet,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: just like the person right next to us lamp is working.
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  Speaker 1: So at this point I kind of like jokingly but
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: half serious, like, God, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I think I'm being haunted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and my nail lady, without missing a beat, says no,
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  Speaker 1: I think you are. Oh, And so turns out I've
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: been going to her for a while and like she's
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: a bit clairvoyant, and she's like, no, like your energy
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  Speaker 1: is like so off today and I've never seen your
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  Speaker 1: like aura's a different color, like just everything about you
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  Speaker 1: seems different.
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  Speaker 2: Is it orange?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Mind?
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  Speaker 4: Usually purple?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about it and about like what had happened,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, well, you know, like when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid, my dad actually had a spirit attached itself
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  Speaker 1: to him, and he had been going through a hard
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: time and he had lost his job and had been
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: like in a situation where like he was exposed to
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  Speaker 1: like a spirit and it's like everything started to fall
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  Speaker 1: apart for him. And her mom, who's also clairvoyant, ended
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: up like calling a friend who was a medium. They
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: took a picture of him and in the picture you
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: could see these three orbs that all had a like
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: man's face on it, and like somebody's anomalies can be explained,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: like if you're in the ghost world, like sometimes it's
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: the reflection of you or this or whatever, but like
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: this man very clearly had a mustache and looks like
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  Speaker 1: old timey. It was like nobody that was anywhere in
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  Speaker 1: this room with them, so like they're like, no, that's
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: like a spirit that has attached itself to you. And
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: so she had like explained to me that if you
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: are going through a hard time like I had described earlier,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: and like if you're feeling sad depressed, if you're using substances,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: like there's like different things you do that can kind
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of like lower like your like vibration, and then ghosts
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  Speaker 1: like right before they died likely were in a similar
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: state where they might have been depressed or sad or
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  Speaker 1: scared or whatever, and that like energy attracts like energy,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're going through a hard time, you're more
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  Speaker 1: likely to have a spirit interested in you and to
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: kind of feel comfortable in that space that feels familiar
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  Speaker 1: to them.
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  Speaker 3: It makes so much sense, But like way to pile
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  Speaker 3: on right? No talk about timing? Can I maybe catch
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: a break?
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  Speaker 4: That's how I was feeling.
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  Speaker 1: And also like at this time, you know, I'm paying
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: to go get my nails done because I'm a Taurus
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: and I have to like keep like some like someone's
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: of normalcy up. But like I'm worried financially, Like I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: don't know what's happening? Like I've not had a rift
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: like this with my family in such a way, and
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling very rejected by like the person who's supposed
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: to love you unconditionally.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like and now I have a.
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  Speaker 1: Ghost, right, and my nails are sticky but.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: We didn't eventually cure them. But she had to hold
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: the light on the entire time. It was so crazy.
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  Speaker 7: That's really crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I mean you got that going for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I got the fresh set, right geez.
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  Speaker 1: But so like after this, I was like, okay, like
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: how do I get rid of this? Like I honestly
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: have always been sort of interested in supernatural stuff, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: not really sure if I believed it necessarily. Like it's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: not that I doubted people's experiences. I just don't really
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: know how I feel about the afterlife and like all
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: these things, like I had just never given it a
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: ton of thought. Yeah, And so I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I am not equipped to deal with this. And it's
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: like so uncomfortable, like knowing that something's kind of feeding
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: on your energy when you have so little of it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to give anyways, Absolutely, so I was like, okay, I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: need a psychic I need a medium. I don't know
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: what to do, and I had gotten on TikTok to
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: kind of like learn about like the process of what
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: you can do about asking the spirit to leave and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I ended up going to
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a psychic I met at a party, And that's kind
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of where we leave off with our story and pick
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: up in our movie Vessel, like what happened next, because
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: involving the psychic kind of escalated the situation and things
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: got a little crazier.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's how it goes a lot of times.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's like they sense you're trying to get ridded me.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Right, I will be holding on. Yeah, So that's where
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Vessel comes in. That's where we're going to pick up
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: our story. So like during the movie, we'll of course
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: explain some about the haunting, but our girl goes to
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: work with a medium to try to get rid of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: this and things get a little wild crazy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, now I need to know the rest of the story.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I'm dying if you watch it, well, now you've got
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: me hooked.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: Spoilers.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: So you mentioned when you were describing the movie to
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: me that it's kind of a metaphor for women not
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: having agency over their own bodies and not being believed
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: about their experiences. Can you talk a little bit more
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: about that?
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: Sure?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: So you know, like during the time that I was
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: going through this, people were definitely looking at me like
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I was a crazy person. And I get it, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: this is all like a little weird, and you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: it's like is it in my head?
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Is this depression?
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: Is it this?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But like the way that people were approaching it like
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: made me feel very broken, and it made me feel
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like how it does when I go to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the doctor and I'm having cramps and like have you
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: taken and ibuprofen or.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Thank god you're here to remind me that it is right?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Is right? And sit down?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That attitude for everything with women, And yes, I think
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it's something that like all women can relate to, you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: like going to the doctor for something and being blown
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: off and going home and having to figure out what's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: going on on your own or never getting there. And
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you know, also with like sexual assault, it's the same thing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: And I used to volunteer at a domestic violent shelter
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas that also did rape crisis, so we
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: would meet people who had been assaulted in the hospital
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and basically advocate for them, because police departments, when they
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: send somebody in to interview somebody who's been raped, start
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: with have you been drinking.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: So sad?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Like it's calm and awesome that make it not rape?
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Right? Yes?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, if anything, that should clarify that there wasn't
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: consent right, you know, right alcohol involved.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's just it's not good.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: It's really bad.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And so you know, when we decided to take on
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: telling this story, I was like, I don't really want
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to tell it like a traditional ghost story, like this
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is kind of how I felt, like very dismissed, like
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't have agent see over myself, and like I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't being believed about it, which was like part of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like the horror of the situation going through it. It's like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: how do you deal with this and nobody believes you?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Like do I just have to live in this forever?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: That makes it really hard to feel like you can
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: even begin to access resources.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: I am particularly always interested in how horror films bring
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: to life like these really scary moments that maybe when
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: it's happening, it's like how do you how do you
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: bring this to a screen and make it so other
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: people are like seeing what you're seeing and experiencing it
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: how you are. I imagine that can be like really
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: really difficult to do. Is there any moments in this
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: that could be challenging to bring to life or that
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: you're excited about showing everybody?
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be challenging because we
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: have pretty much everything planned, like all the scares and everything.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: And if it's if it's well planned, it's easy to
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: bring it to life. Actually, if like the shots are weaplaned,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: then how to and of course, thank goodness, we have
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: an Emmy Award winning visual effects supervisor help. Yeah yeah,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: actually ours husband that really so that's amazing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we have it planned.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I won't spoiler it how and when you guys have
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: to watch it to find out.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: But we have it all planned. We have it all planned.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a really good jump scare.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But it is just planning, and it's writing a script
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's done in a very visual way so you can
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: see it. It's having good actors that can like really
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: channel that emotion. And we have not cast our lead
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: actress yet. We're still looking, but we have cast the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: there's two leads, one the other guy, and oh my god,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he's so good.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Indeed, indeed, well that's exciting.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I worked with him him on the show nineteen twenty three,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: which is the Yellowstone spit off with Harrison Ford and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it's not Hair, but he plays Luca. If anybody's seen
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, he plays Luca. He was fantastic to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: work with on set, like he's a great actor, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I immediately thought of him for this role, like he
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: has this great charisma and stuff that we really want
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: from him. And we did a reading with him just
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to like we assumed that he would be good because
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like I've seen him work, but we still wanted to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do a reading with him and see if he got
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the vision for the part. And he had read the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: script and then told us like how he like saw it,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like what he perceived from it and what he perceived
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: from the character. He'd really gotten into this mindset and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: then like his audition, I was like screaming internally because
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you have this idea like how you want an actor
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to perform it. And I was also like there for
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: like the real thing, like I know how this actually
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: played out, like who the characters actually are. But then
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like he brought something I didn't expect to it that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like went beyond my expectations and like I had chills
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it was so good.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing. That's like what you hope for.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: And also from a director's perspective that when you see
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: someone performing, sometimes you want them to bring out different
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: emotions or say this in a different way or you know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: And then he was like perfect for the all I didn't.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I could not give him any notes because he really
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: understood the character.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: No notes, no.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Notes, no notes.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: That's that's amazing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: He changed the emotions when he had to.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: He was just like really understood the character, and he
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: was the perfect fit.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's amazing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Do you think it's going to be harder to find
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: the person who's supposed to play you, Aurora?
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: It is proving to be more difficult.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: Yes, I can imagine that, because it's like you're like.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It's me, yeah, you know, and like I don't like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: necessarily need her to be me. I just need her
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to like exhibit this emotion of like what it feels like. Sure,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, also like part of it is just
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that there's like all these rules with film stuff. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: if you have one actor who's union who's with SAG,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the other one has to be And because Andy is SAG,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: now we have to find a SAG actress, which is
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: just a little harder. We're an indie budget, so finding
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: somebody of that caliber, there's like there's a lot of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: people out of work right now, unfortunately, Like it really
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: sucks for filmmakers. It's a really sad time for anybody
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in the film industry. But it's just a little more
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: challenging to find. I mean there's great quality actresses of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: course that are like in SAG, but it's making it
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a little harder for us.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a tough bar because
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: you have that challenge and then you know you're really
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: looking for someone who, like you, Senda is going to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: match the emotion and everything that you're looking for.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a lot of boxes to check.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And they have to be a good fit for Andy,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like their counterpart, Like they have to like have good
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: chemistry and work well together. So we're going to find her.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: She's going to be absolutely perfect, I know it, but
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: we're not quite there yet.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So let's talk about the ways people can maybe
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: help you guys get this movie created. So you have
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: an indie go go fund for the film, can you
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: tell us a little bit about that and like how
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: direct people to help sure?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's a bit pricey to make films
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of course, and this because like the way shorts work,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it's really hard for us to go to this kind
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of standard channels for funding because there's never a return
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: on investment, and this kind of enables us, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like with Bad Witches, we want to eventually make feature films.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Fanny and I have a long history of making movies.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We've both been on big studio stuff. Fanny's worked on
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Dune two, doing the TV shows Moonnight, like, we've both
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: worked on some pretty big productions. But this is our
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: first time making something like completely from scratch, from like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: writing it to producing it to directing it to everything
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and if Fanny's an assistant director and a very talented one.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But so you know, it's it's a process. And in
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: order to prove that we have the ability to do
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that before somebody will give us like a million dollars
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to make a feature movie, we have to basically have
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: something showing we can do it, that we can do
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it well, that we can tell a story well, that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we can make something beautiful and stunning and engaging and meaningful,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: which I think we really will pull off with Vessel.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: But we do need help out funding it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, basically, if you all want to find
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: out what happens next, you're gonna have to donate to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the campaign.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Gotta do it, you gotta do it, dig deep, Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: we need some proof of concept.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And basically basically it's not just donations because we
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: are offering amazing perks like tickets to the premiere or
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: set visits or a PA internship which is not about
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: just bringing coffee, but it's about like shadowing like industry professionals.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: So we have some amazing perks.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And are we effects supervisor like we mentioned will be there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He's actually the effects supervisor from Titanic.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Oh what think the boat?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But it's such a theme.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: We literally bring up Titanic on accident in like every episode.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It always circles back.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Here's our chance. Okay.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I actually have a cute story about this, y'all. So
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: he was working as an artist at the time and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he did the breath for Jack and Rose on the door,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like when Rose was on the door and Jack was
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in the water, the famous door, the famous door, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: also the famous scene, the most famous scene. And also
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the breath work is still used, like they still like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: mimic like his work that he did on other shows,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: including nineteen twenty three that I was just gone. The
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: directors like, I want the breath to look like Titanic,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and we're like, well, great, because.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: We had the guy who did it on the show.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But also like in that scene, he's doing this work
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and he hasn't read the script and he's adding their
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: breath and like he has like the notes and he's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like in this like clip, he's adding it for Rose,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: he's adding it for Jack. He's adding it for Rose,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: He's adding it for Jack. Then he gets to a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: clip word's only Rose and he's like, wait, y'all miss
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Jack's breath. And he's like, oh, Jack's dead. Oh, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that's how I found that that Jack dies.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Spoiler alerts.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Oh if that's a spoiler, then I think you need
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to like maybe consider leaving the house a little bit more.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: You never know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I but yeah, for getting this funded you know, just
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to kind of talk about like what that means too.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You know, the reason why we had started Bad Witches
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: is because there's nothing being made right now and studios
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: have kind of run the show for a long time.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: We had this like great time for indie film in
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the nineties and a lot of like those independent film
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: houses got bought up by studios, and now like all
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: those brilliant minds aren't getting to work because studios.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know what they're doing right now.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think they're kind of waiting until people are so
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: desperate for work that they'll work without being.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Part of a union or like hyahs, what's happening.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: But a strong strategy from their perspective, I'm sure, but
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: not great for art.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: But really bad for all these people who have been
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: working artists their entire lives, that are losing their homes,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that can't feed their children, that are living in their cars, and.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Just really sad situation.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And we want to create something where we actually like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: make a film studio. We hire the same teams again
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and again and again. Everybody has insurance. We equalize pay
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: for people, so producers aren't making like one hundred million
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: dollars and then you know PA's are making a hundred
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: dollars a day. Like, we want everybody to be sort
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of like equalized in wages. We want to tell fem stories,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we want to tell queer stories, we want to tell
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: stories that haven't been told before. And in order to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: do this, like we have to start somewhere, we have
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to pay our crew for this, and we really want
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to help some people that have been out of work,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: give them a little glimmer of hope, contribute to something
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that we all believe in, and pay them and get
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the meals for a few days at least.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: So everyone go support if you can in any way
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: you can. I think that would be such a cool
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: perk too for someone who's not just interested in like
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: the film businesses, but like wants to get like started
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: in the film business to do the do the shadowing perk,
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: that would be so cool.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, And like our DP work with Lady Gaga,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: she's really impressive, Like we have some really cool people
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: on set.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: To learn from.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so get on it. Everybody, please go donate because
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: I just need to see this happen.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we'll definitely have to link to the indie
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Go Go in the show notes too.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: What inspired both of you to start working in film?
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I actually I started working in film five years ago.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I was always in love with movies, like starting from
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: a young age, I was always spent my free time
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: watching movies.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: So first, honestly, I.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Wanted to be an actress, but soon I realized I
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: was born to the wrong country for that, which is hungry.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: And then I.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Was like, what should I do, which is behind the camera,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: but would be a good fit for me.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: And then I found out about.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: The assistant director position because it's like leading people and
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: organizing things, making schedules, and so then I went to
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: a two years assistant director course and that's how I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: got into film. Basically I got to know people. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: then my first movie I was working on was Borderlins.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys seen it. Yeah, so
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: that was my first movie. And then it just it
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: just kept coming. I was stucking me in the street.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: You would suck me in, Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It attached itself to you.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: But honestly, I love it so much I cannot imagine
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: doing anything else. So this is basically why we decided
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: to start our own company to tell stories.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So it's really like an addicting thing to do. Like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's like really the hardest job I've ever had.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Like you really are working twelve, sometimes fourteen hour days.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're like starting at like six pm and working
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: until six am, and like it's brutal. But there's nothing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: like the feeling of so many people that are creative
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: coming together to like make something and like this tedious process,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but then people watch it and love it and reac
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to it and like feel.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Something about it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's just it's so beautiful and you can't get out
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of it if you try.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really exhausting. And honestly, I've heard this
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: from so many people. They were like, Oh, this is
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: gonna be my last show. I'm not working in film anymore.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I don't want to I want to leave this industry.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: And then we've met on the next project.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Yes, I was like, oh, you're here, so you did
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: not live this seeing you?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Literally?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Now, I mean it sounds like I mean from a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: scheduling aspect alone, you would just have to be so
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: passionate about that as your career because that's a really
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: tough thing to have, like work life.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Balance and absolutely.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: My gosh, you don't really have private life, yeah, next
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: to film honestly, because you're basically just go to work,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: exhaust yourself all day, and then you go home and
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: straight fall into bed.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Right well, and then you guys create you know, your
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: own company where you're doing it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: All yourself, so that just like adds to it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: It's not like you're just going to work and then
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: you get to come home and like be off.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I imagine you're probably like always working.
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, day and night.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Honestly, as soon as I wake up at six am
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: until when I go to bed whenever, that's yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's like sometimes there's an idea coming up and
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: then I text to Oro at one am my.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: Time, I'm like, oh, I have an idea.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I know it's one I know it's one am, but
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: I have to tell you now.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean otherwise you lose it forever, right right.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: Exactly exactly. And my brain works the best at night,
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: so it is what it is.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can relate to that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank goodness. She's a morning person.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: So the time difference yea, like.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: A nine hour time difference or something.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And it's great because I like wake up so early,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and then I can like start texting Fanny when it's
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: her daytime and she's still up late, when I like
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: she goes to bed around the same time I go
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to bed.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Perfect, that's true.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: Actually, so you guys can never live in the same
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: time zone or it'll just not work.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know how we'll do it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I still text you at one am.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: You'd just be ships in the night.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: I also feel like too, when you text someone your
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: idea right away, instead of like writing it down and
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: maybe waiting until later, you could like read it later
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: and be like, oh, well, this idea kind of sucks.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not ever gonna like tell send
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: it right away. Then you don't have that chance to
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: like second guess yourself.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, for you've overthought it well, and I feel
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: like you always, well almost always explain things better when
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: it's like fresh and in the moment and you're feeling
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: like excited and passionate about you know, the idea that
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you just came up with, where like you said, you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: if you if you sit on it, then sometimes it's like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: m I'm forgetting details about it, or you know, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: things that really trade shit what it was.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Do you guys have any advice for women
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: wanting to get started in film?
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: Do it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be a challenge,
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: but do it. Because the more women start to work
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: in this industry, the more success women will have in
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: the industry.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's still so hard, and there's
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: still so few women on film sets. Like the average
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: crew is like maybe a few hundred people, or is
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: obviously gonna be much smaller for the short but like
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the percentage of women is certainly nowhere near fifty percent.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And also like you might see a lot of women
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: who are like pas and such, more people like coming
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: through the system, but then like the number of women
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: who hods and such is just non existent. And I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: had gone on a scout for nineteen twenty three when
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: we were moving from Austin to Montana, And I went
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: on the scout as a lower position, like as a coordinator,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: which I normally wouldn't have been invited on. But we
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: had some like weird things going on because we it
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: was supposed to snow for all of this show. It
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: takes place in Montana in a blizzard, and they decided
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to film it in October, and I'd been to Yellowstone
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in October years ago and I was like, the.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Weather was like beautiful. I don't feel like it was
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: anywhere near snowing. Then we'll see how this is going
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And it was like my department and like it was
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: kind of my role to make sure that the snow
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: happened because we were going to add that all in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: visual effects, which was not the original plan. And we
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: had this like eight million dollars snow budget, like it
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was just crazy. So they decided that like I should
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: be there for that because we had to make sure
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: all the sets were scans we could add snow to them.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And also so we had two VFX supervisors and one
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of them couldn't go. So they're like, okay, or I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: just go. And I hadn't like given any thought. I
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: had never been invited on a scout because I'm not
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: high enough up like on a big studio project. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I'm looking around and there's like fifty men and three
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: or four women yep on this scout like for hods,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and like the women that were there, a lot of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: them were like assistant to the hod They weren't even
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: like the Hods and it was just shocking. But you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: look at that snippet, but then like the next snippet
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: is like bipoc people and let me tell you how
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: white a film crew is. So like we need more
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: diversity like in this space, like we need to hear
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: people's stories that aren't like older white men, and like
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: we need more voices in this space.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Seriously, have we not heard enough?
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, movies for the beginning of time have been told
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: from like a white male says straight perspective, and let's
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: do something else.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just give it a shot.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: What if we tried something else?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Literally anything.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like when I thought someone that ivia direct
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: this movie, the first reaction was, wait, isn't aren't directors
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: usually men?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: What?
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: I was used that right now?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately it's true.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Kate Blanchet just posted this like video at con Film Festival,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to mix up this number. I keep
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: forgetting to look up the accurate number. But she said
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that like in the history of the festival, eighteen I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: think it was like eighteen hundred men that were directors
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: have been on the steps in only eighty women directors
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: compared to eighteen hundred men.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't love the stats. I'm not gonna lie.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Feels like it should be at least a little closer to,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: At least fifteen.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Into except you know, maybe a sixty forty. We're working
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: on it, but that's ye, it's a long ways off.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: A long ways, very long ways. Yeah, one percent or something.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, ladies, let's plot the film industry. Let's go.
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: That's the plan, storm take over.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, get in there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And if you're a filmmaker and you're like, hey, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: want to join a group of ragtag women filmmakers and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I want to go out to La or I'm like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we're going to film in Joshua Tree, like near where
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I am right now. And you want to be a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: part of this, let us know. We would love to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: mentor you if you're new, if you've been in it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: for a while, and you have something you'd like to contribute.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: We are trying to get everybody paid. It may not
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: be the best rate you've ever gotten from a studio,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: but we're trying to get everybody paid, and it's something
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: we take very seriously, and we'd love to hear your ideas.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: Yes, please contact them, get in there. I'm so excited.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: I just want to, like, I can't wait to see
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: what all comes from this.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, So we kind of did talk about some of
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: the other films that you worked on. Had you either
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: of you ever worked on a horror film before.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: I worked on House of Spoils.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a prime video movie, but it wasn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: really scary in my opinion.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: It's horror, though, I'll be the judge of it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Haylan's like I was terrified.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Okay, I won't say any spoilers, but it's not like
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: it's not a movie jump scares and stuff, right, Okay, So,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: but yeah, it's genre. It's horror, but it's not like
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: the bloody jump scares and slashing people kind of horror.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: You have to watch it and you will find out.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of new for both of you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and like a lot of it
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: is done like similarly, you know, like like there was
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: some really lovely scenes on nineteen twenty three comes to mind.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Just I just got off the show where the director
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to approach the way that they were shot as
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a horror movie, like where he's building suspense, Like there's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a scene where Helen Mirren's character is attacked by a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: or like.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Is confronting a mountain lion. I think that's the mountain
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: lion scene. There was a mountain lion and a wolf.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: It was the wolf.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: The wolf like has killed a nurse.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: S it'ce all like blood and guts like in her
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: living room, and it's like we have a lot of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: like bloody stuff. And he wanted to like sneak up
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: on that scene and like approach it like you would
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a horror movie discovery like a jump scare, and so
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like that was like done in that way. Like we
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: had this great special effects makeup shot where they're drilling
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: into somebody's skull because they were having gosh, I forget
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: what the name of that is where they had like
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: blood like essentially like sitting on their brain is like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: a heemotoma or something. I forget the issue, Like the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: way and I don't know how they deal with it now,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Like I'm certainly not a doctor, but like the way
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: they would deal with it then was like they would
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: literally drill into the person's skull to release that pressure,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and so we had to have like we had like
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the the special effects head that was made to look
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like the actor, and they were drilling into this like
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: bloody like thing with blood scorting everywhere and like whatever.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And I didn't need to be on set then, Like
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it was. I'm a coordinator. It's like a lot of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: my time is spent in a trailer. Like I'm like
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: a budget vend or whatever. I'm organizing things. I don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: always have to be on set. But like I was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: texting my VFX team and I was like, if I
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: missed the bloody head scene, I will be.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Bloods burting.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It's a dema, a deema. That's the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: word a dema where we were looking for.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: See, are you guys excited to work on just like
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: a straight horror film and do you want to keep
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: doing horror films in the future.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably a good direction for us. We
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: are not limiting ourselves to horror. There's a few reasons
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to do horror. For one thing, like it's actually pretty
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: inexpensive to do a horror movie. For a few reasons,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like a lot of the themes are done in like
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: film world. What's called like a monster in a house,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like classic storytelling style, where you're filming at one location,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: maybe it's in a house, like a Halloween kind of
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: thing or whatever. You're limiting your locations and the number
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of actors. It's also really easy to pull things off
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: with practical effects, which will always be much cheaper than
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: visual effects, and we'll be doing all of our effects
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: practically while having VFX there to make sure we don't
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: mess it up, so we have to go into VFX.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Perfect. That's perfect.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So I think that horror is such an important genre
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: for women and unrepresented voices in general, because it's a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: way for us to speak about things that have happened
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: to us and our experiences in a metaphorical sense, like
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: what we're doing with Vessel, and so I think it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: it's easy to like kind of get into like a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: gentle political mindset too, which we're already working on our
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: first feature length script, which is going to kind of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: address like the housing economy, how like it's so hard
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to get housing these days because of short term rentals
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and just like wealthy coming in and like buying up
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: space like in a town where I live, like in
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Joshua tree where like you literally can't find houses because
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they're all vacation.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Rentals on Airbnb.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like it's going to be like a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: movie kind of making a statement about that, and it'll
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: be like a fun kind of like not quite slashery
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but we're gonna have some like scream
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: style stunts and stuff in it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: So I think it'll be a fun one.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: You love that, And.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: There's a meaning behind because what's important for us to
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: have a meaning always in every movie, every movie you
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: make like either a political statement or some kind of
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: meaning behind.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yause, what else? What else is it for?
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: You can't? Like that's so true. Help people your thoughts
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and feelings.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, especially right now. Yeah, in these times.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: Okay, I wanted to know if you had any current
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: movie suggestions for people to watch.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Substance we're ubsess.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, Substance is amazing.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: If anyone asked, my first answer is Substance.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: It's so good, agreed.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: The two that, like, I think Substance like, I definitely
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: loved and it's probably one of the most memorable horror
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: movies I've seen, like in the recent years. But I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: also really love Strange Darling. Oh, have y'all seen that?
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: No, I haven't seen that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so good. It's kind of like a serial
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: killer kind of thing. We're like a girl's traveling with
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a guy. We're like presuming as a serial killer. And
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Kyle Gallner I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: isn't it And he was in like Veronica Mars. He
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: was in Smile. He's like the cop that's trying to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: help Socie Bacons. Yeah, and like he's briefly in the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: second one.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I haven't seen the second one yet.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: So he's great. He's in it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: But it's like such a great like it's got one
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: of the best twists I've ever seen ever done in
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a movie. It's so great, it's so smart. It's really
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like a beautifully done movie. So I really liked that one.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: And then we were just chatting with Cass and Ashley
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: from Drinking the kool Aid podcast. We just did a
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: chat with them the other day. They're so wonderful. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Cass had recommended a movie to us which was Significant
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Other and it has Gosh, I don't know her name,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but she was she's the girl from It follows the
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: blonde girl, and she's like such a scream queen, like
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: she's in the Villain. She's in so many great movies.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: She's always so good, like she deserves the scream queen
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: title for sure.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I can't remember her name. I wish I knew it,
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: but she's in it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And this other guy that I think he was like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in the office, and he's been in a few things,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: but he always plays like the guy that you like.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: He seems nice, but you know he's going to be
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like a bad guy eventually, Like he has this kind
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: of like douchey quality. But it takes like a real
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like some real unexpected twists in turns and was not
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: at all what I thought it was going to be.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So that's like a nice one for like kind of
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: like a sci fi monster in the woods, like they
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: go on a camping like a hiking trip, and like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: twist twist, twist twist, like who has the power now?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Like it's really kind of mind blowing.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Those are good because I haven't seen either of those
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: that you suggested, so I'll have to put them.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I have seen either of them either.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen very many scary movies, but you did
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: you did see some?
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I bought it. Yeah, I was like renting good job.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And I would say, like, if you're like for people
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that are like kind of like horror adjacent, like maybe
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: they don't like to fully immerse themselves in like a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: slasher movie, Strange Darling is really good for that because
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't like call it scary. It's just like really
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: fun and unexpected, like very feminist. And I don't want
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: to like say what it reminds me of, because then
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it would kind.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Of give away the end.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Oh that's but it reminds me of like this other
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: great like feminist horror movie that I saw that I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: wish they had taken it in this direction a little more,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: but like it's it's really good.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Oh now I'm like, oh, maybe we need to watch
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: it and then right now come back to you.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah right now.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll have like a movie club.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: And I love that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, sign us up.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the movie Presence? No?
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Oh yes, I just watched that and I was like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: this movie is like pretty good.
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: I was just like suw, I have to add that
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: to my list.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wasn't expecting it.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: It's good. It's a ghost story. Oh yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And like from a filmmaking perspective, that was done with
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: like the average movie I was reading has like hundreds
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: to maybe thousands of like cuts, so like you cut
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and go to like the next scene.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: That one I think I read has.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Thirty three right, wow, So the longest takes you've ever seen.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of shot like a documentary where they're
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: like following them around with a wide angle lens instead
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of like normally you would go like you would cut
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: from like one after space to another and kind of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like put them together having a conversation. They were like
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: moving the camera around them to like accommoedy these few cuts,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and it's really like artistically done. It's very beautiful. I
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: can't imagine trying to pull that off.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it was so interesting.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they did it digitally, but like they would
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: show the camera like in a reflection, but you like
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: couldn't see the camera obviously, I'm like, how did they
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: do that?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And for the way they were doing it, like
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: there's certainly ways to accommodate those shots, but like the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: way that they were keeping the cut song. They might
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: have done some VFX removal, like on the camera in
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the mirrors, Like I wasn't looking for that. I'll have
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to go through and see like how they did that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's beautiful.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: They were shooting through a window one time, so you
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: could see out the window, but the light was on
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: so you can like see the reflection of the house
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: in the back. I just thought it was so cool.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: Was like, whoa this is this is awesome.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: It's good Lucy losing it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh yeah, it's a really good movie. Yeah, it's
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: kind of like a woman's story too very much. So, well,
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: do you guys want to do some terror?
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: Yes, let's do it. I never did Taro before.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of afraid of it because whatever you say
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: something bad. I've been thinking about it, like, oh day,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: all night.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: It's always something good, something you need to know that
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: you probably already knew in the back of your mind.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Then it's just it's just bringing out.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: I don't want to know.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I know, I don't want to know. Well, are you
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: comfortable if we if we pull out?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Ye?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, do you have any specific questions about.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I think we would love to know if we're going
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to pull this movie off.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, that's a lot
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: of pressure.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Think our biggest question is is, like, you know, we
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: have not met our Indie Go Go goal yet, and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: we're really hoping to get there, so we'd like to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: know because if we don't meet it, we're probably still
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: going to make it where I will play the psychic,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Fanny will play me, and we will shoot it with
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: an iPhone, but.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: We will we'll be involved.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I'll do terror. How long have you been
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: doing tear?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Pretty much? I've just been doing it since we started
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: the podcast.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: Like four years ago, so nice. We're not like super
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: professional at it or anything. We kind of just are
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: learning through pulling a card every episode and that's like
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: how we're learning to do it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That's how you get there, right, and then like eventually
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: your synapses start to like make sense of it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It's like it's so hard to like remember all the cards.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And I've tried doing like apps that like like flash
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: cards like give you a card and this meaning like whatever,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: but my memory is such trash. Yeah that I feel
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like I should just do more readings because then I
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: would like have that memory associated with something.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And we just read from like an interpretation book too.
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: We don't really have them all memorized or anything like that, right,
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: we do try to like look at the card and
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: you know, see if there's anything that correlates with what
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: we're talking about.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Usually there is.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: And yeah it can be like so spot on it scary.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Recently, I have like an ancestor altar for my grandma
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and my dog who passed away, and yeah, it's so
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: sweet and like I just set it up like kind
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: of recently and I had like pulled a card like
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: for if my grandma had anything to say for me,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and like whatever the card was, it was like.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Family love like whatever.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: It was like this like really like kind thing and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: my grandma was like my person. It was so sweet.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And then I pulled on for like my dog, who's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: like my spirit dog, like we are connected, we always
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: will be, like she's so sweet, and the card was
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: like basically like you were an asshole.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: She's mad at me and.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Right, and it was like, gosh, I wish I could
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: remember the card. I took a picture of it, but
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: it was like it represented it was like in reverse.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Like first of all, so it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Was like like substance abuse and like not being there manipulative, unreliable,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm like my dog thinks I'm manipulative. It's like, girl,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you don't like reevaluate my life and my decisions?
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Did you though? Did you? Was? Was she telling you
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: something that you know?
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And like I really spent a lot of time stressing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: over it because it's like it could just be that,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: like I don't have a good connection with my tarot deck,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily a message from my dog. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I was like my husband kept telling me that, but
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I definitely wanted. It's like a deep depression for three days,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: and like I just like sat and cried each morning
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: at my ancestor altar, like apologizing to my dog. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I was like I should have taken you on more
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: hikes and I should have.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: Done honestly, Okay, what if what if this is your
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: dog just manipulating you to like sit there and talk
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: to her.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, maybe maybe she.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Was so sweet.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Want it's just some more attention.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I definitely like bought like salmon treats. I got like
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a new toy for the altar. Like I was like
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: every day I'm getting you something.
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: Like I was gonna say, yeah, were your dog played you, dude?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: No surprise there, right, my Pomeranian definitely does.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like little dogs are the biggest game players.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Just like little demons, but so cute. It works every time.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Oh a thousand percent.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a solid shuffle though.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Hey that's good. I'm so bad at shuffling.
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: I could never rough.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: All right, I feel better about it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: You killed it, Okay, So I'll spread these out.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: You guys, tell me kind of where.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: To Okay, I would say, just right of center.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Would we get I cannot believe how frequently this card
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: is coming up.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Oh is this the death card? It is?
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's actually amazing. That is like, actually
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: so perfect for this.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: It means rebirth.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it says death, but it means like death
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: of the olds, like to bring in the news for us.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: Death of the white male fifth male led film industry,
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: and rebirth, yes, and not already.
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: Red ends right right.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: It's like the first thing I thought when I saw that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Well, so I pulled the death card once when I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: was flying home. I was in Saudi Arabia, like this
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: prince had flown us out because he wanted to start
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like a film studio there. And on the way home,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I was having anxiety about flying and I don't know why,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Like I fly quite a bit and I don't really care,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: but I was having anxiety about it, and I decided
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: to like pull a card to see if it was
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: going to be okay.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: And I pulled the death card and I was like,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: that is not.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: The card you want to see before getting on, asking
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna be okay.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I would be scared of that. No, that's that's kind
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: of intense.
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: Oh my god. Yeah, absolutely, but you were fine.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Spoiler alert, I didn't die.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: No, I'm dead.
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: Maybe you're a ghost now I would explain so much.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So the only the only caveat is that
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: we did draw in the reverse, so it is going
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: to have a little bit different interpretations.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: So your keywords for the death card are transformation, metamorphosis,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: and ending, sacrifice, loss and rebirth. So I think we
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: all agree, we've already discussed it's a it's a positive
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: thing in this context.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: How about in reverse.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: I don't know about reverse. Well we'll make it positive.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: We'll figure it out.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Dude, now I'm bringing out.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: When this card appears reversed, it suggests you're putting off
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: making necessary changes, usually out of fear you're stuck in
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: old habit patterns you know need to be revised, but
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: you don't want to put forth the effort to alter them,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: even though you're unhappy with the current situation. Oh, the
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: way out is to face up to your stagnation, frustration
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: and unhappiness, throw out the old and ring in the new.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Does that feel like it applies directly to you guys,
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: or just like the film industry that we were kind
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: of talking about.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Before, Yeah, because, like I think we're doing something like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: very bold for both of us, And I would say, like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: are throwing out the old is like being reliant on
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: this like archaic system and trying to literally do something
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: new and have like a metamorphosis in rebirth. Like I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: can't say that, Like I feel like that it's necessarily
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: true for this project.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Right, So maybe it means industry in general. I don't know.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like in some readings you do get
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: sort of a sense of a card and the meaning
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: being more related to even like a period of the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: past in relation to your kind of your question or
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Like that could apply directly just to your your story
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: of what happened to you and how you kind of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: turned it into something more relative.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do feel as though this is kind of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: our deck being a little bit smart assy, because it's like,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel like you're directly answering our question.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Right, I think it kind of is. Yeah, I think
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: it kind of is.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's kind of true because we have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: to make sacrifices and stuff for this project.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: So I think I think what it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Says it applies because it's like it takes a lot
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: of sacrifice and energy and work and yeah, so I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: think I think I think it fits for a situation
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: basically true.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: I do also find it really interesting. This is in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: the major arcana. This is the thirteenth card.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Oh today was part of the thirteenth Yes.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's so funny too, because I wrote down thirteen
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: questions for you guys, and I had twelve, and I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: was like, man, I need to think of one more
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: just to like make it an even like thirteen.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: And even thirteen.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: Oh my god, that's rics.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: I love you spooky ladies.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah right right, that's a really good name for our
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: production company.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: And even thirteen Yeah, no podcast.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: And Even thirteen Oh yeah, I love it?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Are we starting another podcast?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: This is this is first episode of an Even thirteen
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I'm spin off.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna lie I dig the name.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: So what I was gonna say is that I feel
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: like with the interpretation and where it's saying, you know,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: the way out is to face up to your stagnation
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: and kind of as it goes on there, I feel
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: like this also can be kind of warning against maybe
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: falling back into old habit patterns as you move forward,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: So it may not be that you're actively doing that.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because actually we have to pull off like new
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: ways to be able to make this movie because like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: old habits doesn't work, we have to pull off new things.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: That's how I understand this.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: That's really true, because like that's exactly it. And it's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: funny because, like, you know, my dream for making this
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: kind of anti capitalistic thing has been like burning bright.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And I was talking to this girl who came to
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: stay with me during the LA fires, like I lived
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: like a couple hours from LA and she was looking
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: for a place to go just because she has like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: asthma and like whatever, air quality was better here. And
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: she actually works in film, like she works as an actress,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and I was like telling her about the idea and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: she was like really into it, and so I was like, like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I want to create a system where like the producers
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: aren't making so much more, and she's like, yeah, but
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: like if you pay yourself out a lot of money,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: then you can hire more people. And she was doing
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: this very like Elon Musk like style argument for like
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the trickle down like economics, and I was like, no.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Like this is how I stop it.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Like the production company gets to pay more people a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: better wage because I'm paying myself less, and like it's
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: something that like I get. It's like kind of you know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: if we had money coming in, it's more difficult to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: like actually abide by that and say, no, I'm going
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to like pay myself a living wage, but not some
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: excessive amount to where we can't pay the rest of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: our team, which is something I really really believe in
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: because like just reading statistics about like what CEOs and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: stuff used to make twenty years ago, they made about
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: double what they're like average employee made right, and now
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: they make like twenty one hundred times like whatever that
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and it's like why it just doesn't make any sense
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, and that's like that's why we have
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: this income disparity that we do now in the US.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: It's because like they're keeping so much more for themselves,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: so like it's tempting to want to do that. Clearly
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it's working, you know, like I get it right, like right,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: but like somebody, like people have to like stop it,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: like somebody has to stop it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I'll be a person who stops that,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: which is hard. I'm a tourist. I like luxury.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like same girl, right, right, But I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, the argument really to be had
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: is not like should we all, you know, give up
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: all of our worldly possessions and you know, join a monastery.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: It's more about, like we can all have some luxuries
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: so long as nobody's bow guarding everything.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: It has to be a little bit more a military.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: As long as like you don't have like a smaller
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: yacht to follow your mega yacht, because your mega yacht
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: can't like everything that you need for your supplies while
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: on your mega yacht death basis.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: I do think it's reasonable to maybe, you know, like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: one yacht.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys, guys, I think I think the death guard
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: is telling us we can only have one yacht.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I, for one have made my
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: peace with that.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: So man, it's not going to be easy, but you know,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to do my part.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I actually, I actually think it has a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: positive meaning to leave behind the past and revert to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: do things differently than before and a big change.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: Basically, yeah, it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Was perfect, right. I loved that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: She was at first, but she's like, Okay, okay, you
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: guys get it way around death card.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Like, if you can spin the death card positive, you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: got this.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: Really, how do you know if the death card has
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: a positive or negative meaning?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: I think it's it's really just based on like, I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: think it's based on your feeling really when you're pulling
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: the card. But generally, to me, the death card means
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: it's very positive. To me, that's that's just how I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: feel about it. But I don't know how everyone else
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: feels about it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oddly, I think the death card is probably not
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: the scariest in the deck. I think the Tower is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: the one that really that's that's a little bit chaos.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit more difficult to put a spin on.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a little intense.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Oh thank god we didn't know.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need chaos.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: I can spin that one positive too, like you need
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: to totally break down your life and have chaos to
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: like rebuild something so much better.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: So that's what I see the Tower card.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which I understand the argument in principle, but you
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: don't want to go through it, thank you, Like you
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: have to go through it, but you don't like necessarily
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But for anybody that likes Taro, there will
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: be like a tarot reference in our movie.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Of course they're in a reading room for like most
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 1: But also my nibbling that I mentioned earlier that went
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  Speaker 1: on the ghost tour with me is a very good
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  Speaker 1: artist and they're designing us a custom tarot deck that
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  Speaker 1: will be used in the movie will also be Uh
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  Speaker 1: it's a perk too in our indiegg that you can
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  Speaker 1: get the custom made tarot deck used in vessel.
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  Speaker 4: H Yes, and it's kind of ghosty and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a perk that we're doing to.
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  Speaker 4: It's a really cool one, it is, it is indeed.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the cards are going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: So the movies coming out projected for Halloween, we want
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  Speaker 1: to release around Halloween just because OVS. But the Tarot deck,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll probably be able to get that out
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  Speaker 1: a bit sooner. We might be able to get that
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  Speaker 1: out close to the time that our indiegog ends, which
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I think is like in is that in July, Fanny
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  Speaker 1: M Yeah, I think it might be like a week
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  Speaker 1: or two after that. It's like maybe like August we
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  Speaker 1: can get those shipped. Clay's almost undesigning them. I think
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  Speaker 1: they're on like like I think there's seventy two cards
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  Speaker 1: in a deck?
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  Speaker 4: Is that right around there?
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  Speaker 1: Seventy seventy eight, So I think they're like in the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: fifties for designing cards, Like they're they're getting there. They
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  Speaker 1: look at amazing, They're so cute. There's some like very
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: special ones. There's also references to like people in our lives,
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  Speaker 1: like my grandma speaks to me a lot, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I set her.
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  Speaker 4: I set up an ancestor altar.
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  Speaker 1: I had like gotten a reading done with an oracle
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  Speaker 1: deck like with a friend, and they pulled something that
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  Speaker 1: was like wild rose, and the name like the name
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  Speaker 1: hadn't like meant anything to me when she first said it,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, wild Rose, that sounds cute whatever,
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, I think someone's like trying to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you through this card. Does the name Rose mean
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  Speaker 1: anything to you? And my grandma's middle name was Rose
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and her name was Edith Rose, and she hated her
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  Speaker 1: middle name, and like it was like a joke like
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  Speaker 1: in our family, everyone would always get her roses and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: like whatever. So like I think she like liked it
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  Speaker 1: in like a cute, like playful way. I don't think
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: she actually hated it, but it was like always this joke.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: But she like always leaves me like roses and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's like let me know that she's communicating with me.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a rose and the deck that represents my
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: grandma on like we have all these like cute things
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  Speaker 1: os gat Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, does anyone have any like any any last any
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  Speaker 6: final words anything else that you want to throw out
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: to people that you haven't got to say yet.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I guess just you know, we so appreciate everyone's support.
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  Speaker 1: If you're curious and learning more about the project, we
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: do have our social medias, which are at bad Witch's Productions,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and on Instagram. You can find our website
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: bagwitches dot com and there's a section for Vessel there.
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  Speaker 1: You can find our Indiego go also just by looking
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: up Indiegogo and Vessel and it'll pop up. And we
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  Speaker 1: so appreciate your time and attention and we can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to share this movie with y'all.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am. I'm so excited, so excited.
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  Speaker 3: I'm super excited for my new tarot deck, which will
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: make it a lot easier to wait for the movie right.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Absolutely day, amazing fun.
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  Speaker 7: It was way more.
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  Speaker 2: Fun than it usually.
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  Speaker 4: Brilliant idea.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Cassie, I need to go run and grab
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  Speaker 2: a tissue for your issues.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's my co host, famously witty.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: I'm so smart.