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UFOs In the 1950s · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: originally recorded and released back in May of this year.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, it was a subscriber only bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: The episode is about that huge batch of UFO files
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  Speaker 1: that the CIA released earlier this year. Specifically, it covers
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  Speaker 1: some of the highly weird nineteen fifties UFO sightings that
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  Speaker 1: are documented in those files. If you're listening for free, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host today. Who
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  Speaker 1: You haven't been on in a while because I went
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  Speaker 2: I bet.
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  Speaker 1: But we're back now talking about this is kind of lighthearted, right, No,
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  Speaker 1: one dies. I don't think this.
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  Speaker 2: Is not as heavy literally as well of technology.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, shit's go into space. You gotta be like weight
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  Speaker 1: and agile.
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  Speaker 2: For that propulsion technology.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about the CIA UFO files. This is the
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  Speaker 1: thing I brought up on an episode of On Pops
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  Speaker 1: recently that the CIA had to release a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: their UFO files because of Donald Trump's last COVID stimulus
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  Speaker 1: bill for some reason called for the release of all
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  Speaker 1: these UFO files. And there's about twenty seven hundred files
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't read them all, but I've looked at
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  Speaker 1: them all, and I've put them all into folders, like
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  Speaker 1: I've organized them into folders so I can just mine
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  Speaker 1: them for episodes for like the next ten years. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the first of those episodes. It's a bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: And we're talking about flying saucers because man, the flying
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  Speaker 1: saucers in the fifties, they were everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say it was the Golden Age?
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely call it the Golden age if you
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  Speaker 1: ashal even if you just look at these files in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, there's so much shit. And then if
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  Speaker 1: I do another episode, it's going to have to be
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  Speaker 1: like sixty seventies, eighties, and nineties all combined.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a pleasure and an honor to kick off
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  Speaker 2: another series with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope I don't end up doing all of
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  Speaker 1: these in a row, because that always ends up getting
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  Speaker 1: even though I know it's still interesting, Like researching it
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  Speaker 1: after a while just gets to be tedious and I
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  Speaker 1: have to change it up and talk about I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that CIA child sex trafficking ring that we did
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  Speaker 1: an episode about that one time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, light it up sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to talk on this episode about
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  Speaker 1: some of the crazier UFO sightings that are in these
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  Speaker 1: CIA files. And there are a lot of UFO sightings
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  Speaker 1: in these files. According to these files, from nineteen forty
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  Speaker 1: seven to nineteen fifty two, there were fifteen hundred reported
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  Speaker 1: UFO site, which I feel like is more than we've
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  Speaker 1: heard because I know about like Roswell from back then,
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't heard much else. But there's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a striking number. And that's not
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  Speaker 2: like the impression history books have given us whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: And what's interesting about these files is the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that almost never comes up is aliens like they're not.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even suggested that these might be aliens. It's
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  Speaker 1: all about Russia and whether this is Russia building these things.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking weird. But uh. The first file that
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  Speaker 1: caught my attention was a nineteen fifty two report from
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  Speaker 1: the Deputy Director of the CIA to the Director of
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  Speaker 1: the CIA regarding a visit to the Air Force Air
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  Speaker 1: Technical Intelligence Center, which didn't know that existed until I
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  Speaker 1: started digging into this. I wonder if that still exists.
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  Speaker 1: We do have sixteen intelligence agencies in this country, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're still out there getting that intelligence in sky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interesting to I was going to do
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  Speaker 2: it quick Google.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've thought about doing an episode of this podcast
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  Speaker 1: about each individual intelligence service and trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what they do. We learned this week that the Postal
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  Speaker 1: Inspection Service is vehemently monitoring our social media use like
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  Speaker 1: they have a whole team, because you know how the
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  Speaker 1: post office can be impacted by our social media posts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so in this report, there's three different UFO sightings listed
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  Speaker 1: in this There's one where Florida man, of course, reported
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  Speaker 1: he was driving in West Palm Beach, Florida with four
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  Speaker 1: boy Scouts, which immediately gave me creepy Jeffrey Epstein vibes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean that it could be a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a red red flag unless he's like a, well, well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll learn a little bit more about this Florida man shortly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're probably about to say. Unless
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  Speaker 1: he was a scout master scout master.
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  Speaker 2: But I've never, like, I wanted to do girl Scouts
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  Speaker 2: when I was younger, and I never My mom never
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  Speaker 2: put me in the brownies, So I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the hierarchy is. So I decided to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well but I'm glad you Well. The thing is
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  Speaker 1: they never call him that because.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so who knows he could have literally been kidnapping
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  Speaker 2: these kids. I don't there's no context given.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. I mean, this is the CIA. They
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  Speaker 1: don't give a shit. They just want to know about
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  Speaker 1: those UFOs. They're like, I have those kids, We don't.
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  Speaker 2: Care, aren't we lucky? If they just have enough words
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  Speaker 2: redacted so we can put together like sentences with subject
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  Speaker 2: and predicate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some of these, even the UFO siding files,
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  Speaker 1: where there will be one paragraph and then it's just
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  Speaker 1: three pages of redactions. It's like, what is in there?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to know the good shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of makes me wonder if the sightings
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  Speaker 1: that are redacted are sightings of shit we were work
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  Speaker 1: looking on at the time, whereas the other ones are
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  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, who knows, wasn't us, but yeah. This guy,
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  Speaker 1: he's driving through West Palm Beach, Florida with four boy.
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  Speaker 2: Scouts, a nice even number.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know where they were going,
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  Speaker 1: but they while they're driving, they see a strange light
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the woods, just off the side of
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  Speaker 1: the road, and this man pulls over and goes in
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  Speaker 1: to investigate, which right there, that's some white person in
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  Speaker 1: a horror movie. Shit Like you, I would. I would
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  Speaker 1: just kind of drive by and be like, oh, do
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  Speaker 1: you see that weird light? Probably something I don't have
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  Speaker 1: any business checking out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially if you have the welfare of four
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  Speaker 2: boy Scouts in your hands, Like you don't pull over
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  Speaker 2: on the side of the Florida Highway and.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a remote part of Florida. I shit you not.
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  Speaker 1: My first thought would be, oh, someone's burying a body
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  Speaker 1: over there. I better keep it moving.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like in Florida, when you see something
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  Speaker 2: like that, it's called someone else's business. Yeah, people would yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I think, but who knows. This was a different
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  Speaker 2: time maybe, Yeah, you know, people were more neighborly.
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  Speaker 1: Lights were still new back then, Like, oh, look at
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  Speaker 1: the color of that one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and it was Florida, you know, like shout
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  Speaker 2: out to anyone who lived in Florida for Central Air.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Was this guy not worried about gators going in
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  Speaker 1: that fucking Florida jungle?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the real thing, by the way, mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: People get snatched up by those gators. It's who not
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  Speaker 2: a it was?
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  Speaker 1: How crazy would it had been if he ran over
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  Speaker 1: there and it was just gators using light to lure
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  Speaker 1: people in? Oh yeah, how do'd you set that up
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  Speaker 1: with your little arms? Gaters? So he goes in to
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  Speaker 1: get even touched their mouth, but they're still smoking. They're
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  Speaker 1: cool gators. Yeah. So he goes in to investigate this
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  Speaker 1: light and fails to return after a few minutes. So
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  Speaker 1: the boy scouts being boy scouts, they do their duty
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  Speaker 1: and go in after him. But before they could get there,
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  Speaker 1: he comes stumbling out of the woods with burns on
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  Speaker 1: his forearms, and what he claimed happened is that he'd
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  Speaker 1: seen a large circular object about eight feet over his head,
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  Speaker 1: which released a fireball that descended on him, at which
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  Speaker 1: point he blacked out briefly. And there were samples of
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  Speaker 1: the grass taken from the area, and they differed strangely
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  Speaker 1: in appearance from samples nearby. But the report also mentions
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  Speaker 1: that the source of this claim had quote an unsavory
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  Speaker 1: personal reputation and criminal report end quote, leading them to
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  Speaker 1: think it was maybe a hoax, even though they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: explain the weird grass samples. I wouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 1: explain why he only got burned on his forearms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a fireball. And then also,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it could be that the large circular object
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  Speaker 2: was a humongous cigarette because the arms were so short
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  Speaker 2: for the alligators, that he's a really big cigarette to
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  Speaker 2: get it to their mouth, and maybe they just like
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  Speaker 2: were like, man, why are you spoiling our buzz? And
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  Speaker 2: he burned them fucking gay partying over there, alien gator. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's that is strange. It's it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's only the only thing I can think of is
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  Speaker 1: if he looked up and I'm sure everyone listening can
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  Speaker 1: see me doing this too, and when he saw the fireball,
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  Speaker 1: did like a defensive Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So a defensive place where he uses foe arms to
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  Speaker 2: block his face or right, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And they said the grass was disturbed, So that's that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, the grass is something you could fake.
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  Speaker 1: Like it would take a little effort, but you could
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  Speaker 1: probably fake that. But who knows. The government certainly didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem that concerned about this report.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it's just like this dude. They you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, well, we're not going to take this claim seriously.
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  Speaker 2: But did we follow up with the Boy Scouts?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean well they just saw the aftermath though.
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  Speaker 1: They just saw the guy come out, but I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: they saw the light too. That would have been an
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  Speaker 1: elaborate hoax if he's set that light up ahead of time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm referring to the well being of the of the
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  Speaker 2: Boy Scouts.
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  Speaker 1: They got eaten by the gators.
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  Speaker 2: See, they shouldn't have. Don't pull over for everything. Now,
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  Speaker 2: So this man came to the CIA and brought the
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  Speaker 2: story into the CIA document. The burns on his arm
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  Speaker 2: or was this you know, did he bring the grass
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  Speaker 2: sample or did he bring the CIA to the location.
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  Speaker 1: How many details are included in a lot of these,
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  Speaker 1: There's not many details. I've usually pulled out most of
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  Speaker 1: the interesting stuff. Yeah, and they, yeah, they don't say
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  Speaker 1: anything about that. The fact that they did the grass samples.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that means they did it or
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  Speaker 1: if just local authorities were like, oh, look at the grass,
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  Speaker 1: it looks different. It did say they couldn't account for
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  Speaker 1: the difference in the grass in the surrounding area compared
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  Speaker 1: to those samples, so maybe they they thought he might
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  Speaker 1: have seen something real. But yeah, that's one thing you
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  Speaker 1: don't get in any of these files is the CIA's movements.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's one of the reports we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about at the end, every name, location, everything is redacted.
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  Speaker 1: You get the details, but you don't really know when
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  Speaker 1: it's happening, where it's happening, who it's happening too. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's not a lot of that. When there is,
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  Speaker 1: it's fascinating, Like there's there are things we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: on I think I'm going to do an episode just
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  Speaker 1: about all the files about them watching people and that
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  Speaker 1: shit's really interesting because then you pick up on some
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  Speaker 1: of their tricks and shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, in these it's the ones we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: today are the ones that have the most detail. There's
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  Speaker 1: a few more. We might do a second part of
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties one, but this in this report, there's
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  Speaker 1: a second sighting that I won't go into detail about
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  Speaker 1: because the conclusion was that they were just seeing Jupiter
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  Speaker 1: because just Jupiter was visible at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's so strange because it was described as a
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  Speaker 2: circular orange object with four green lights nearby.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see, if you just google how many moons
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  Speaker 1: of Jupiter, the first picture that comes up, it's like
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  Speaker 1: an orange orb, but you do see three or four
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  Speaker 1: green orbs around it that are four of the moons.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, these dipshits, who I believe were in the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: were just seeing Jupiter and they were like, oh, spacecraft.
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  Speaker 2: And it's notably large too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you would have been able to see Jupiter
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  Speaker 1: even probably with the naked eye at some points. But
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  Speaker 1: this third sighting that's in these files is really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It happened in Tremington, Utah, on July second, nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: two and if you google this there's you can even
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  Speaker 1: find the video. You can find an old timey government
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  Speaker 1: like the government used to do this thing where they
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  Speaker 1: would like reenact events and make them news clips that
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  Speaker 1: would go in like that would play before movies and shit.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a weird thing like that about this UFO incident.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, this isn't a really famous one
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  Speaker 1: that has been written about a lot. And the report
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  Speaker 1: describes the person who filmed this video, who is named
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  Speaker 1: Delbert Newhouse. And in this video there are ten objects
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  Speaker 1: that appear to be milling about, it says in the report,
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  Speaker 1: traveling in a westerly direction in the sky. And at
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  Speaker 1: one point one object separates from the rest and reversus
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  Speaker 1: course and flies across the sky. And the report also
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  Speaker 1: includes these conclusions from an investigator of the film done
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  Speaker 1: by the Air Technical Intelligence Center. There they are again
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  Speaker 1: ten objects, all alike in movement and size, decidedly improbable
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  Speaker 1: that they are birds or balloons. Exact nature cannot be determined.
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  Speaker 1: It would probably be extremely difficult to imitate this photography
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  Speaker 1: for fraudulent purposes. Imitate the right word there, wouldn't it
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  Speaker 1: be like manipulate or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, because imitate would be making a
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  Speaker 2: copy of something real.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I think they might have used incorrect
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  Speaker 1: wording there, but you get what they're saying. It would
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  Speaker 1: be hard to fake this video.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's nineteen fifty two at home camera technology.
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  Speaker 1: So you hear like flapping noises in the background, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not super clear, but you can see it. You
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  Speaker 1: can see the ten objects they're talking about, and they
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  Speaker 1: are all moving in unison, and then one of them
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  Speaker 1: just fucking takes off in a different direction really fast.
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  Speaker 1: It's strange. It almost looks like the Phoenix lights if
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  Speaker 1: you're familiar with that, which the Phoenix lights. If you
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  Speaker 1: look at them now, they just look like drones. But
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  Speaker 1: they were doing the same thing. That was a nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven UFO incident that was first reported by Kurt Russell,
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  Speaker 1: a noted pilot. Kurt Russell, he was flying his son
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  Speaker 1: to go visit his girlfriend, Like, what a fucking cool dad,
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  Speaker 1: and then he spots a UFO. Rich people have the
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  Speaker 1: best fucking lives. Man. Uh. There's another incident in these
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  Speaker 1: files that happened October twenty ninth, nineteen fifty two. Nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty two was a hot year. Yeah, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: UFOs that whoever built these, I feel like that's the
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  Speaker 1: year they really got it down and started mass producing them,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're just people are finding them all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: They really are. They're everywhere, and they're like, this is
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  Speaker 1: just a fraction of the reported sightings from these files.
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  Speaker 1: Well link to where you can see all these files.
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  Speaker 1: They're on a site called the Black Vault, which just
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  Speaker 1: compiles FBI and CIA documents into a readable form. So
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  Speaker 1: thanks to them for doing that, because that's where I
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  Speaker 1: got all these files from.
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  Speaker 2: Question. Yes, we're flying saucers in the zeitgeist at the time, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They had already started being written about in science fiction
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  Speaker 1: and things like that. It was definitely a thing that
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  Speaker 1: was in the public consciousness at the time. And that
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  Speaker 1: does come up a lot in this that there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people writing on this subject. One of
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  Speaker 1: the people that ends up getting kind of followed the most,
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  Speaker 1: or that gets the most attention from them is a
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  Speaker 1: guy named Major Daniel Keiho who was in the Marines,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and he had this theory that the CIA was going
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: around and threatening people into not talking about UFOs, which
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like the government at all. But he
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: for years before that was a science fiction writer also,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and he wrote about UFOs a lot, so that comes
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: up a lot in his file where they're like this guy,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: he's a sensationalist, Like yeah, but he's just saying you
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: intimidate witnesses, which you probably do. So this is one
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that happened October twenty ninth, nineteen fifty two, Tarn, France.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Ever been I haven't, personally, I have not either.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: This incident, around one hundred people all report seeing the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: same thing. They report witnessing a flying saucer formation around
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: sixteen crafts which revolved and gave off a bluish light
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: at the sides. That's an important detail because it comes
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: up again in another report. Yeah, and they also reported
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: an elongated cylinder in the center of the saucer formation.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: The weirdest part of the report is that all the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: objects were said to have discharge shining whiteish particles which
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: looked like glass wool and accumulated on tree branches and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: telegraph wires. Many of the persons said that they've been
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: able to gather clusters of such particles, but that these
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: had quickly disintegrated, making it impossible to have them analyzed
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: later in a lab.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's literally the only reason this one is the notes. Well, no,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: because that description matches a description that we hear in
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a couple other reports. But that white particles thing, I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: have never heard that in any UFO sighting report. Ever,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it's nowhere else in these files, and it's like I've
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: never heard it just generally, so that one's weird. Those
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: people are all aliens. Now, that'd be cool if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: picked it up and turned into an alien, but only
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: if it turned you into an alien that can survive
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: our atmosphere.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Obviously, so they absorbed the glass wool, well, not the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: real glass. I wasn't really glass wool.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But there's probably just that stuff that's in the packets
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that says do not eat buy a pair of shoes, which,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, you know what happens if you eat that?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I don't nothing, nothing at all. Have you tried, No,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But I read a very lengthy article about it, like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't eat it, and you wouldn't. Definitely wouldn't want
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to eat a lot of it if you do. But yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: it's not going to kill you. It probably wouldn't even
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: kill your pets.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're just saying like it's not made for consumption.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever happens after that is on you, because it
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: sure does have like a salt packet kind of a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: sthetic to it. Oh yeah, so I could see people
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: mistaking it for a salt packet back in the day
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is when people had salt packets in their home. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: don't know if that ever happened. It's restaurants shit. Anyway,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that was a worthy deviation. But let's get back to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: UFO's July nineteen fifty two Berlin man in metallic clothing
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: again nineteen fifty two. This is a weird one. It
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: happened in Berlin. A man and his daughter were driving
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: home when he blew a tire on his motorcycle and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: he stops to pull over and fix it, and the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: daughter notices something laying in the road up ahead of them,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: so he assumes it's a deer and he goes to investigate,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and instead of a deer, he claims he saw two
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: men dressed in shiny metallic clothes, stooped over and looking
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: at something lying on the ground.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Ooh, stylish, right, I want to.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: See those suits and flexible. And as he got closer,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he saw quote a large object whose diameter I estimated
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to be between thirteen and fifteen meters. It looked like
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a huge frying pan. There were rows. There were two
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: rows of holes on its periphery, about thirty centimeters in circumference.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: The space between the two rows was about zero point
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: four to five meters. On the top of this metal
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: object was a black conical tower about three meters high.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: That sounds cool, and it does. I would drive the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: shit out of that. And he said that. As he
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: was looking at all this, his daughter approached from behind
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and called out to him, at which point the men
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: in metallic clothing scrambled to jump in the object that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the man described. It then started glowing green before taking
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: off into the sky, launching vertically. And I, uh, because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I'm great at this, I actually left a very important
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: detail out before it took off into the sky. It
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: glowed green at first, and then it was glowing blue
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: as it took off, Oh, into the sky, just like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that report not too long ago.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it looked like a frying pan. They jumped
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: into a frying pan. So there was no roof on
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: this object.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, See, frying pan doesn't sound accurate because you're right,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: if it had that conical tower at the top, then
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that had to be sitting on something. So yeah, I mean,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't he just say round, like, because now I am
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: kind of picturing just an actual giant frying pan with
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a handle on it, And that would be funny if
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: this was just.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Like a a carnival ride.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, put together a piece of shit, but from space.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at first I was like, well, how
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: does it look like a deer? And how do they
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: get into this vehicle if it's like flat, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like if it's like a pan, if it's flat with
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the you know, like the call thing in the middle,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, is it like an open Is it like
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a like a jeep version of a UFO where it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: just open and airy? Yeah?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I believe he said the sides opened up in a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: way that the dudes could get.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: In there, so maybe they could they can package their
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: vehicles like and they don't have any issue parking aliens.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah, that was the part I didn't get
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: because he mentions like, yeah, the I don't know how
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he mistook any of this for a deer, because two
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: men in shiny metallic suits, I would definitely not assume
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was a dead deer in the road. And when he
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: describes seeing this craft, he says, he peeked over a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: fence and saw it. So, now, where was that fence? Yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like that fence wasn't in the middle of the road,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was it? Like that would be That would be way
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: more alarming to me than a deer. Someone just put
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: up a fence in the middle of the road. It's like,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm driving through.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It, but the road ends here.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah, it's a weird sighting. And it seems like
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they didn't completely trust him, but they were also like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: why would he lie? Like he doesn't. There's not really
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: any motive formed a lie. And the report also mentions
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: though that other people in the area did report seeing
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: something that many of them described as quote a comet
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: moving away from the earth at the same time, so
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: that would probably fit the description of a UFO a comet.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: The description is different. It's interesting, like, you know, if
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: let's say this vehicle is parked, this flying object is
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: park Yeah, maybe it does look like a frying pan,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And who knows what kind of technology there is where
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: you know it in the air. It's a full spacecraft. Yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and it would have more of a like a comet appearance.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Frying Pans do have lids, though, so maybe he meant
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: it looked like a frying pan with a lid on it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, I know there is.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: There is a really interesting quote from the man who
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: witnessed this in the report. Here goes the quote. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: had never heard of the term flying saucer before I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: escaped from the Soviet zone into West Berlin. When I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: saw this object, I immediately thought that it was a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: new Soviet military machine. I confess that I was seized
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: with fright. Because the Soviets do not want anyone to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: know about their work. Many persons have been restricted to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: their movements for many years in East Germany because they
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: know too much. Now here's what's interesting about that to me.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: One of the things we'll get into in a later episode,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and we've touched on it on this podcast before, is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: this theory called Project Bluebeam. That theory claims that at
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: some point the United States is going to basically fake
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: an alien invasion as a means of taking over the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: world and ushering in a one world government. And one
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of the people that the CIA is the most interested
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in in these files is a guy named doctor Leon Davidson.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And Leon Davidson's theory was that the CIA was faking
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: all of this for that same reason, because they were
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: going to use UFOs to basically suppress rights of people
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in the United States and abroad, of course, and I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: got to kind of wonder if that's why there's so
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: many sightings in like fifty two, fifty three, and fifty four,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: because what if the CIA was faking this shit.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, like they were trying to bring it on earlier.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, on the next episode we talk
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: about how they were planning to use it for psychological warfare.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: But there's it is strange that there's this huge proliferation
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: of UFOs right around the same time the CIA starts deciding,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if we could fake those and use them
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: for our own means, And they sure make a point
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of documenting damn near every sighting from that point on,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and it was it was definitely it's definitely like the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: United States in general to pin something on the Soviet Union,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: which it was to make it go down smoother with
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the public, especially back then, so.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It was it was propaganda with the production budget kinda.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's a lot of this country.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because around the time, was there a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: lot of fear around UFOs. Well, I know there's definitely
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: fear about about the Soviet Union because the US government
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have it any other way at the time.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think there was because Roswell happened
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: in forty seven and that really kicked things off because
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that when Roswell was first reported, they were like, we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: found a fucking UFO and there were aliens in it.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And then like three days later the government was like, no,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: it was it was a weather balloon. It's like with
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: aliens in it, why were they in there? So these
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: reports had started out, and a lot of the reports
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: in these files are news reports from other countries, especially
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: in the earlier ones and also the nineties. In the nineties,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think being in the CIA just meant you watched
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: foreign television and write down anything interesting that happens, because
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that's what most of the files are in the nineties,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and that would have been great TV reviews. Yeah, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: would have loved fucking recapping al Jazeera for the CIA,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: sure or whatever. That would be such an easy job.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I'd rather do someone other than Al Jazeera, like I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: would watch one America news network, yeah, and document it
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: for the CIA. But they probably started that too. This
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: next file is one of my favorites. It doesn't pertain
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to an actual UFO sighting it is. It's a dated
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: November nineteen fifty five, and it's a letter from an
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: unidentified probably a CIA asset in Belgian Congo, and he's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: asking if he can buy this certain type of telescope
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that I don't know, maybe the American government only had
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: access to at the time. But he seems to be
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: under the assumption that this telescope is the key to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: seeing these UFOs for yourself. And it is some sassy
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: let me speak to your manager shit and I love it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Here is These are the two paragraphs from the letter
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that are in the file. As you Americans do not
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: want to tell us what the so stupidly called flying
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: saucers are and above all what they want, and this
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: may be very important in the future. I need your
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: excellent telescope for myself in my observation group, which I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: am just starting. The UFOs are coming more and more
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: over this country, and owing perhaps to the very nature
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of this land and it's beautiful nights, we hear look
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: more often in the sky than the busy Americans shots fired.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He is salty a f but he also seems like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: he still thinks he's gonna get this telescope, like he
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: can talk to the CIA, however the fuck he wants.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Because this is the last paragraph when telling me the prices,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: please remember that the packing must be almost armor plated,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: because otherwise the local vandals may destroy the telescope even
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: before it reaches me.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I wonder how the CIA took took it like someone
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: telling them how to do their job.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: What if this was like that last part was just
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in the delivery instructions box.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, delivery notes.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Delivery notes. Rebels won't let aid through to my country,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But you know what.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Like these are valid. Like do you know how many
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: packages ups packages I have stolen from our lobby?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I don't steal them.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying my packages that have been have been stolen.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, you gotta you gotta think about
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: these things.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're a CI asset, which this guy
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: had to be, because the CIA got this letter. But
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: also it says in the beginning that they received this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: letter at and then it's redacted, so you don't know
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: exactly where he sent it. But if you were any
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: kind of government asset in Belgian Congo and you're just
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: seeing UFOs every fucking night, and you ask the CIA
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and they're like, we can't tell you what that's about. Like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it'd be one thing if they were like, we don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: know either man, but they're like, we we can't tell you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna want to be like, fine, I'll
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: figure it out myself. As if it's that easy.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, just send me your best equipment, because you
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: guys are wasting your time with your technology.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Will you build me an observatory please?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'll expect it tomorrow.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I hope that guy got that telescope. You do too.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: He's kind of the underdog, little entitled but you know
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it's a CIA, so they can they can handle some SaaS.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: That'd be bummed if he didn't get it. Another file
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that's in there, this one I don't remember the date.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's nineteen fifty eight though, And this is
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: it doesn't deal directly with a UFO sighting. It's just
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a creepy letter about a guy who took some photos
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of a UFO. And one of the things that's creepy
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: about it is it's just blatantly the CIA spying on
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: American citizens. At one point, they're even like, hey, we
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: already have somewhat of a file on this guy because
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: we're spying on his friend in the process of something else.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: But we know that this is them spying on an
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: average citizen because the report begins with, quote, it has
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: come to my attention that a civilian has been experimenting
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: with new kinds of films and emulsions, which he has
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: been exposing through a telescope set up in his backyard
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: here in Washington end quote. And also for some reason,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: there are a bunch of redacted words between civilian and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: has been. So the sentence reads it has come to
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: my attention that a civilian and then it looks like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: maybe five or six words are redacted, and then it
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: says has been so I'm assuming his identity, probably where
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: he works or something along those lines. Yeah, maybe his
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: name or his address. And the person writing the document
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: mentions that one of his men that's a quote was
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: at this guy's place in the course of an investigation
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: into some sort of photographic process. The name of what
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: they were investigating is also redacted. But it was some
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: sort of photographic process that took really good pictures of
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the sky, is basically what it sounds like. And during
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that investigation, this agent noticed what appeared to be a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of like remarkably clear UFO photos. And this letter
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is about, well, how are we going to get these
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: photos from this guy? And there's a sentence where it
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: says that he is a quote exceedingly cagey in his
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: handling of these materials and would not permit anyone to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: borrow any of these materials end quote, and that he
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: quote again, appears to feel that he has some real
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: evidence of the existence of unidentified flying objects in his photography,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and I am sure he would consider delivering them to somebody,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: only for a price yet unspecified.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: You spot it, you got it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And for some reason, it's the next sentence that creeps
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: me out the most. Here it goes, my copy of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: this memorandum to name redacted would bring him up to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: date on this subject. In case you would like to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: take it up unilaterally with him. Oh wow, who is
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that guy? And what's he gonna do if they take
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it up unilaterally with him?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: He is the cleanup guy and he does not need
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: anyone's permission to handle this. You know, do what you
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: gotta do anilateral power.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: There's a documentary called Wormwood that we covered on this podcast.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It's on Netflix, and they talk in that documentary about
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: how there are two kinds of CIA agents. There are
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the analysts who go out and get information like this,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and then there's the other guys who go out and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: take care of information like this if they need to.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And the only thing no, because even then they they
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: say that those analysts, like if they need to contact
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: one of those people, they can. So the fact that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he knows this guy's name doesn't really make it any
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: more comforting. I don't know, it's just feel it feels
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: like an ominous sentence.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unilaterally, it's like it just the implication
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: is do what you have to do, right, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: based on what the situation is. But like also describing
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: him as exceedingly cagey, it's like, this dude is literally
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: being spied on.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's being spied on by his people. He
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: thinks are friends. No less because the well, I guess,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the guy was at his place.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, also they well no, because they're also investigating
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: one of his friends, because they're all they're trying to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: get more details and what this Like, you're the CIA,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: can't you just ask what this photo process is? Like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you're you're out here whipping up UFOs. You can't whip
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: up the technology to take good pictures of them, take
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a fucking picture of it while it's still in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: garage before you send it up, and then just paste
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that into stuff. So weird, it's a weird It is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a very weird document. And there's a lot of them
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like this. There's a lot of them where they're like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: just watching people relentlessly, probably all of us.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with technology now.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much easier. I hope they're enjoying this episode.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they are. It's entertaining at the very least
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: for them. Maybe.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That one of the things you see a lot
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: in CIA files is at some point there'll just be
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: like article after article after article of like whatever subject
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it is. And I like to think if I have
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a CIA file, it's just like an RSS feed of
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: all my podcasts. Like that would be my nightmare. If
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I filed a Freedom of Information Act request on my
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: own name and they sent it to me and it
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: was just a list of all my podcasts, I'd be like, Oh,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: come on, nothing else, you're just listening, bastards.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Give me some feedback.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Then there's one episode redacted, and I have to figure
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: out which one that is? What was I talking about?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Let's go back to nineteen fifty two.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Here comes another nineteen fifty two sighting.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: This time in Norway.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: In Norway, August nineteen fifty two. Interesting part about this
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is this UFO crashed and there is a detailed description
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of the examination of that UFO. The report claims that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a team of Norwegian and German rocket experts went to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the site of a UFO crash and discovered here's a quote,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a radio piloting transmitter with a nucleus of plutonium transmitting
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: on all wave links with nine hundred and thirty four hertz,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: a measure that has been unknown so far. So that's weird.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: It also says the investigation showed that the saucer crashed
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: because of a defect in its radio piloting system and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that it was constructed from an unknown alloy. And the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: last quote, which sounds a lot like they're talking about
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: something similar to what was spotted in that early sighting
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: with the sixteen ships and then one in the middle,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: this is a quote. It consists of an exterior disc
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: provided at its peripheral with sixteen automatic jets. This disc
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: pivots around the central sphere which contains the measurement and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: remote control equipment. But was it drop in white particles?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Well, glass that just integrates.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Insulation sounds like stuff that in the walls of your homes.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I know something that they're gonna tell us, like, all right,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: this is cancerous.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably how they spread whatever disease was annihilating
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: us in the fifties, polio. Still I don't know when
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: we cured polio. Oh. Also, the last line of that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: UFO examination report, the measurement instructions have an inscription in Russian.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Ooh they dropped the mic there.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah they did. And again I'm like fifty to fifty
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: percent inclined to believe Russia was building UFOs and that
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the CIA was faking UFOs, Like if you put the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: if you slid the answer to me in an envelope
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: across the table and I opened it. Either way, I'd go, huh, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Either explanation would not surprise me. Because
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the CIA could put a Russian inscription on something they built.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: That's probably they probably would do that if it was
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: some kind of technology like this, Yeah, who knows. Then
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: there's the mystery trained sighting. This is the last one.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I love this one because this is the most secret one,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: but it also has so many details to it. We
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: know it happened on a train, and just from the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: way it's written, like compared to all the other files,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it either happened in the fifties or sixties, and I'm
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: leaning toward the fifties. But even the date is not specified,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and all the country names are redacted, all the names
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of the people involved it has none of that. But
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it also has so many rich details about what the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: train looked like, how the train was laid out, some
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: creepy stuff about the civilians who are in the compartments
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: around them, like after reading that, if anyone walks up
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to me in public and strikes up a conversation. I'm
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be like Cia, not telling you anything. My name Earl.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: My name's Earl, like the TV show. Yeah, So everything's redacted,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and it's clear that who's writing this, the person this
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: is on some kind of espionage or detail gathering mission
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: somewhere they've it sounds like they have infiltrated some country
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: as part of a touring group. But other than that,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: when I say it's detailed, I mean like fifteen pages detailed,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Like there's tons of details about the incident itself. So
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: at one point during they're on a train leaving somewhere
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: headed somewhere, although that's blacked out. And at one point
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: during the trip, someone runs into the compartment that the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: writer of this report is in and yels, I just
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: saw a flying saucer, and everyone ran to that guy's cabin,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: turned off the lights, and witnessed something that looked like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the end of a search light, but with no beam
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: coming up from the ground like you would see with
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a searchlight. But then they realize it is a search
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: light and they can see what it's searching for, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this is a quote, it's whirling. I then noticed an
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: object slightly to the right of the search light. It
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: had two shining eyes and seemed to be rising vertically.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It then seemed to change course and to approach the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: train on more of a horizontal course, but still ascending slightly.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about this not just all the secrecy,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: but the thing that happens next. The porter on the
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: train walks into this cabin and just pulls down the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: blinds and goes, it's better this way.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: That's so mysous it is. It's like, what do you know?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And in the report, the guy says he gets the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: sense that they were traveling through some kind of restricted
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: area and that this porter was supposed to pull down
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the shades no matter what. And while he's doing that,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they're like fucking UFO out there. So that's weird timing.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And then you get to see all kinds of CIA
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: spy shit about them, like trying to figure out where
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: exactly they are. They're like, Okay, ask him what station
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: we just passed, and then ask what station we're going
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to next, which is smart because then you're gonna be
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: able to really get narrow Yeah, what part of the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: country you were in? And the porter refuses to tell
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: them he.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Was being cag.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: He was, they're gonna have to send that guy to
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: deal with it unilaterate. What if that guy was already
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: on the train. He's just in the compartment, like, let
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: me give me the word, give me the words the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: small community, give me the fucking word. I'll get the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: names of those stations. He pulls out a fucking suitcase
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: with syringes and saws in it, called down Larry.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Of course it's a Larry.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I think they do eventually get the name. Well, they
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: get the name of the next station they went to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: because they passed it or no, they stopped there. But
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think they ever got the name of the
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: previous station. But you'd be able to, yeah, you'd be
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: able to narrow it down. I mean, you're not gonna
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: go home and google it in the nineteen fifties, but
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they had resources. I think he called the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: library back then. Do you ever have to do that
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: as a that was the internet, before there was the internet?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: You call the library. What's the capital of Alabama? I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: hope the librarian isn't feeling saucy that day and lies
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I didn't call the I didn't call like
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the librarian, like they were asked, Jeeves, I didn't use
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the library that way. What a fool I am.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you totally could. No library like back back then,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: because you're not gonna run to the fucking library to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: find out some nitpicky detail like that. Yeah, call up
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the librarian, bother her with that shit. She'll whip out
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: her encyclopedias. So uh yeah, that's that's the last sighting
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about on this episode. There are there
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: are a lot more interesting ones in those files, and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I'll probably do an episode about the rest of them,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: But I don't know something about the nineteen fifties and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: especially the early nineteen fifties.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty two, Yeah, that is.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: That's the year. That's that's the that's the draft class.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That's when all the stars came out night teen fifty two.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And also by nineteen fifty three, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: there's other reports that we're going to cover. The CIA
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: by nineteen fifty three is like, don't tell anyone we've
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: been involved in any of this. They sponsor a report
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two about UFOs, and by nineteen fifty
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: three they're like, don't tell anyone you didn't see us.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: We didn't, we don't. We just leave our name out
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of it, which I also find kind of suspicious that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: at first they were like, oh, this is a threat,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: there's psychological warfare implications, and then they're just like, we
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: didn't say that. We said that, you said that, I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: didn't say that. They're being cagey, we don't. Yeah, how
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: come the public doesn't have a guy to call when
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the CIA is being cagey? I know if Visit could
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: take it up unilaterally with him, and then he goes
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and gets us all the information we need about where
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: this fucking train was going to and from.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I got a briefcase. I can put syringes in it
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: right now, Sauz, who knows? You know, Just let me
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: know what you need. I got you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's better this way.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's better this way, and close the curtain.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that anytime I do anything someone even
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: moderately doesn't like anyway. We should probably wrap this episode up.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Let's wrap it up.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Phizzy, Do you have anything to plug before we get
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: out of here? Yeah?
• 47:26
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• 47:29
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• 47:35
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• 47:44
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• 47:47
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• 47:49
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• 47:52
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• 47:55
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• 48:00
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• 48:03
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• 48:06
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• 48:09
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