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Satanist Lucifer LeGivorden talks /w Brett Keane & TTOR · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention, please?
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The show starts in 10987654321. Go.
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Hello there everyone. Welcome to this week's GOD TV
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Radio Podcast. I of course, I'm TTOR, the
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primary host of this particular show.
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And to the other side of me is the founder of GOD TV Radio, the
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man, one of the big Dukaroos of tonight's show, Brett Keene.
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Been a long time since I heard Dukaroo before.
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Yep, this is Brad Keene. Folks, I hope you're all having
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a wonderful day. But instead of this being like a
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live cage match between Brett Keene and the Church of Satan,
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which I'm sure you were expecting.
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I'm sure you were. I'm sure you were expecting
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Brett Keene to be on camera with his gloves and his boxing shorts
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just ready to, you know, put him up with the Church of Satan.
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But what we're actually doing today is couple of things.
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One, we're going to respond to some of the things that the
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Church of Satan was saying to Brett Keene and other people in
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the Twitter war they had earlier this week.
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And then if they actually bothered to show up, some of the
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Satanists that apparently were part of this or that Brett
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talked to about it are going to come on to the show at some
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point. And we're going to talk about
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whatever comes up that don't exactly have a strict format for
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this particular show tonight. It's kind of one of those
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general guidelines, general topic ideas and just go with the
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flow kind of nights. So that's what we're going to be
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doing tonight. But let's see what it was that
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Brett Keene did that triggered the Church of Satan.
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Oh so much. What did he do?
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I mean, maybe he made funny faces at them.
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Maybe he made a Mama joke they didn't like.
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I mean, he could have done all kinds of things, but let's see
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what he actually did. All right, so here we see
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Earlier this week, Brett Keane shared the YouTube replay of his
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version of a GOD TV radio stream we did about, oh, I don't want
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to say it was like a month ago or so where we were talking
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about atheist churches and how their existence proves that
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atheism is a religion contrary to what all the atheists on the
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Internet say. And so Brett Keene obviously
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shares this post. He's got a whole blog post tied
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to the video. And then he makes a follow up
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comment saying atheists also have denominations.
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You can view them through the Church of Satan.
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And that's where the Church of Satan apparently took offence or
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took interest, whichever one you want to say, they said in
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response. Atheism isn't a religion, just
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as theism isn't a religion, and as such do not have
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denominations. Those are descriptors.
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There are atheistic religions just as they are theistic
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religions. Christianity is theistic.
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It isn't a denomination of theism, for example, And well,
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I'm not sure really how I feel about that because on the one
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hand that's true, but on the other hand, the existence of
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churches is always associated with religion.
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So when you have atheist churches, you have to assume
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that atheism is a religion, because if you see Christian
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churches, you automatically assume that you know
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Christianity and any form of theism is a religion.
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Well it's not just that in 2006. Between 2006 and 2009 the
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Supreme Court's actually officially stated that atheism
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is a religion and for the non believers out there are going to
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throw a FET and start sucking on your pacifier.
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Pay attention, there's been non theistic religions throughout
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history. Buddhism is one of them.
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They're considered a non theistic religion.
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Now if you take a look at Satanism and go over to the
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Church of Satan website, even on their own page they will admit
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their religion. They've even stated many times
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that if Christianity were to get to be taught in school, then why
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don't our religion get taught in school?
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How many times have you heard that TTR?
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Too many to count. And they associate themselves
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with atheism. They say that they're atheist.
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In fact, I'm going to give you a link here.
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If you want to post it you can. This is called This is out the
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Church of Satan, Simplifying Satanic Atheism.
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So here you go. They claim to be a religion.
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I'm just holding them to their own doctrine.
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Right. And what you're seeing on screen
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is my own video talking about what Brett was referring to just
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a little bit ago about the court case that took place that
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solidified atheism as a religion according to the courts, which
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is why I call it 100% proof that atheism is a religion.
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You can find this video on my Rumble channel.
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I did it a few months ago. I think it's currently on page
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three of my channel. But I just want to make you guys
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aware that if you want to learn more about that particular
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incident where atheism was officially classified as a
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religion, check out that video. See a lot of a lot of the newer
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atheists, they don't realize this stuff.
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They don't bother to look into their own history or put a
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skeptical liar in their own position.
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The satanic religion. They are the ones that actually
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put that upon themselves to Levan.
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And then the atheists, they actually fought for it through
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the Supreme Court in order to become a religion.
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Why? Because they wanted the
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protections that religion have. Go ahead.
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Right, And if you want the protections of religion, you
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have to be a religion. Simplifying satanic atheism.
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My view? According to Nemo on the Church
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of Satan website, I noticed a weird tendency for newcomers to
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this religion to equate atheism with omniscience, claiming to
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already know everything about everything.
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This tendency is reinforced by the polemicists and science who
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pretend that they have already so much certainty about the
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nature of reality that they already know everything that can
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possibly exist as well as everything that cannot possibly
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exist. I placed the word science and
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quotes because true science is always open to the facts of
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reality and a complete willingness to change theory in
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the face of new evidence. Even Richard Dawkins is always
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careful to explain that he cannot prove or be 100% certain
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that God does not exist. While he could have fooled me.
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Why? Because Dawkins understands that
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you cannot prove anything absolutely does not exist.
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You cannot prove a negative. To claim you can do that is to
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assume the classical attribute of God himself.
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Omniscience. The particular type of atheism
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we aspire to here is not one of God.
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Like absolute certainty, objective truth is definitely a
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crime in their religion, but of pragmatic high probability.
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We basically view the God with a beard sitting on a throne in
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heaven as being pretty silly and unbelievable despite the
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millions of people who think otherwise.
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Well, that's not a biblical view of him, but OK, the kind.
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Of Well, hold on a second, hold on.
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You'll want to cover the right side of the page.
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There's some funky stuff that's showing up in their banners.
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There you go. Wait on the right or left?
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Yeah, it's a little bit of it. It wasn't terrible, but there
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was some nudity starting to show up.
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OK, hold on a second. Let me just think before I
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continue. Let me just grab a custom ban,
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or maybe I can just. Make I'm just trying to protect
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the stream and all that. It wasn't horrible, but I could
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see it was starting to get a little bit more and more
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rougher. OK, let's see the particular the
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kind of atheism we espouse relates to the idea of a person
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who is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere at once
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omnipotent, omniscience and omnipresent.
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The keyword here is a person. What is important to grasp is
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what all too many people knew to Satanism this completely.
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We are not claiming that we know that nowhere in the universe
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there cannot exist beings who are superior to human beings,
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such as cats. Perhaps there are aliens who are
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smarter and more powerful than we are somewhere out there,
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because that's what they always default to when it comes to the
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irrefutable evidence of intelligent design.
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It's, oh, aliens did it. That's been a growing movement
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for years. These kind of beings are not
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what we are talking about with Satanic atheism.
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Additionally, Satanic atheism does not claim that supernormal
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powers or experiences are impossible.
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We do not make the common error of equating a rejection of a
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belief in Jehovah or Allah or Big Juju with also rejecting
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so-called psychic phenomena such as telepathy, precognition,
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clairvoyance, etcetera. We don't even claim to know
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certainty that ghosts can't exist, for example.
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We apply doubt to such claims, and if the individual Satanist
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wishes to, we feel free to explore whether such things may
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or may not exist and even be useful.
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A large part of greater Magic and Satanism is involved in such
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just such personal explorations and testing for those who are
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interested in that aspect of it. Now, the logic here seems sound,
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but I got the feeling that if it was applied the other way
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around, they might protest. It is useful to distinguish
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between Satanic atheism and all the many other forms of atheism
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that exists outside of Satanism. Our perspective on what we call
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atheism is narrower than what many others would consider an
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authentic atheistic perspective. In other words, we are very,
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very specific in what we consider to be atheism.
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Others tend to be very sloppy and include all different kinds
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of beliefs about reality as part of their atheism.
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They start with seeing through the nonsense that surrounds
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assuming that a big person like Jehovah or Vishnu or Allah
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exists, since that seems to not match up with anything that we
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find the least amount of evidence for.
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But that does not include knowing of absolute certainty
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that there cannot exist an afterlife, or ghosts, or sea
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monsters, or Santa Claus, who comes pretty close to Jehovah
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and his attributes, seems much friendlier to good little boys
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and girls. Although there is also a
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maturity issue involved with all of this.
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In late adolescence and early adulthood, there's a tendency
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for people to want to know their truth about things.
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Subjective truth. I do not mean that they are just
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healthily curious. I mean, they want to know the
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absolute truth and when arguments with those who would
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dare to disagree with them. Yeah, that's not what we see
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today. It is pretty obvious that this
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psychological tendency is part of trying to achieve adulthood
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and fit into adult society, jockeying for positions of power
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as well as to impress members of the opposite sex.
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Well, maybe you guys do. Eric Hoffer's classic book on
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the Cos reading list, The True Believer, details the kind of
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personality that finds it important to identify A cause to
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a spouse and become a fanatical supporter of.
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I recommend this book highly. There's not too much left.
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Maybe I'll just finish. So there do exist today a fresh
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crop of what I call true disbelievers or evangelical
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atheists who are out to convert the world to atheism in
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precisely the same way that fundamentalist religious
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fanatics strive to convert the world to their belief systems.
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Sadly, some of these true disbelievers assume that
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Satanism shares all of their certainties in regard to
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rejection of not just big Juju's in the sky, but also there are
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omniscient perspectives regarding any evidence for the
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supernatural. But our view on atheism is
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really limited in exactly the manner I have described it.
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Satanists do not pretend to be omniscient.
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We do not pretend to already know certainty, everything that
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is possible or impossible. We are our own gods in the sense
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of taking full responsibility for our actions and placing
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ourselves at the dead center of being important in our universe.
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But we do not pretend to be like Jehovah.
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Being our own God is an ethical statement of personal policy
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rather than a metaphysical statement regarding the nature
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of reality. This is the paragraph where my
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BS detector is going off. But we'll continue.
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We do assume an attitude of doubt about unusual claims.
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We do not just believe something.
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And different Satanists will personally draw the line of
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doubt versus probability at different issues.
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Some Satanists have accepted the that greater magic can really do
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magical things, while others do not share that perspective.
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However, we are not close minded true believers or disbelievers.
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Satanic atheism is very specific and does not include becoming
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what we are opposed to as Satanists ourselves.
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We champion doubt, not God like certainty.
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There's that again. We operate from the assumption
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that the big personality gods like Jehovah are silly and
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without supporting evidence for their existence.
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Beyond that, we are willing to look at and explore anything in
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reality that we are interested in.
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Until it contradicts what you want to believe, of course.
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And being open to what is really, really real is something
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that we treasure very highly indeed.
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That's how I see it. So I guess that's how the
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Satanic or the Church of Satan defines their version of
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atheism. It's pretty long and robust,
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kinda. But this idea that they take
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full responsibility for their actions, I I somehow have doubts
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about that, Brett, what about you?
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Well, they break their own tenants.
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If you scroll up, you'll be able to see that you can look at
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their practices and their rituals.
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Remember I was reading you one of them earlier?
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They're not supposed to engage anyone in some kind of offensive
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way, but you could see clearly on Twitter that a lot of them
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did that. And they also broke their other
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rule of to never participate in herd like mentality, which is
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what I call Wolfpack mentality, where a group of people jump on
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you and they're not willing to defend themselves.
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Now you seen me respectfully tell them I said, look, we're
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doing an open discussion if you would like to come in and
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participate, and then how did they act towards that?
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They ran like your typical atheist does.
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Yeah, I did jump on you like the hive mind that they are.
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I mean, I didn't partake much in that Twitter war, but I did see
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a lot of it. And it was like, wow, they
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really jumped on that bandwagon. But then again, that seems to
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have been happening to you. Which doesn't make a whole lot
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of sense, does it? I mean, you've seen the tweet
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yourself. I simply said that there are
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another version of atheism, their brand.
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Or perhaps it would be better to say a branch of atheism.
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Atheism. I specifically pointed out they
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have their own little categories.
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You've got agnostic atheist, you've got atheist Buddhist,
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you've got atheist satanist. Even the website itself says so.
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So nothing I said to these Satanists was untrue about their
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religion. I mean, you even read off the
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page that even said our religion, right?
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Yep, Yep, their religion. They describe themselves as a
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religion, but some of the stuff they said was pretty funny.
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Especially the part about taking accountability for their actions
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and then proclaiming themselves to be gods, but then trying to
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define it in a way that seems like, oh, we're not, we're not
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the same. We're the ultimate authority of
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our lives. We're just saying we take
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accountability for our actions. But what have we seen in human
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beings across all world views and all people groups, Whenever
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you held them accountable for their actions, they refuse to be
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held accountable. Are you seeing this?
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Not on the screen, this person called rationally cooked bacon
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says. I told you I'd be here and I'm
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here. Maybe pay attention to your
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chat, Brett. Well, if you paid attention, you
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would have seen that the link has been posted twice now.
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Are you not paying attention to the chat?
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Yep, that is a thing. Did you post it to your?
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Did you post it to your? Yeah, the link's out there and
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you posted it right off the bat. Yep, and I did on my Twitter
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account and actually I should make sure to post that link to
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my rumble stream too. But yeah, Mr. Rationally cooked
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Bacon, if you want to come in here and talk about this stuff,
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you are welcome to join. As long as you are civil, you
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will definitely get your chance to say your piece.
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But if you do what the last several people have done and try
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them through all kinds of things, that oh, is that
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Lucifer? Isn't that the guy you were
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sending me the YouTube channel for?
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I don't know if the bacon guy is the same guy from the YouTube
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channel. If it is, it doesn't make sense
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for him to say he doesn't have a microphone because he wouldn't
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be able to make videos without a microphone unless he's doing it
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telepathically. Oh.
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OK, well let me go ahead and figure out how to best do this.
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Where's my thing? Where's my thing?
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So Lucifer the the Gevardian. Lucifer Leggevardian.
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The YouTube this sounds like the guy from the videos.
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TPOR this guy sounds like the man from the videos.
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He can I I'm sure he won't do something nasty on the screen
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all. Right.
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You you never know today's day and age.
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I just got the notification for the show.
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Yes, it's Lucifer Lake Borden. I am the high priest of the
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Satanic Thulean Society. I thought I I had seen in your
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videos that you had something to do with the Church of Satan for
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a while there did. What happened with that?
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Oh no, I have never been a member of the Church of Satan.
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Actually, I have spent many years studying the history of
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the Church of Satan. For a brief time, I shared some
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communications with Michael Aquino of the Temple of Set and
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some communications with Stanton Levay before his passing last
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year. I run the Satanic Fulian
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Society. It is the only organization that
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I have been an official member of.
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And aside from the official cult of Cthulhu, which I also run, we
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took that over last year. One of the things you know a.
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Little bit about your books. I noticed that you're a writer.
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I too am a writer. I'd like to hear a little bit
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about that. Well, I actually have one of my
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books or two of my books right here.
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The first one is called The Satanic Testament.
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Sorry about the dark lighting here.
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I didn't figure we were going to get a lot of pink lights or
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anything. Let.
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Me see here if I can get. There we go.
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All right, get a little bit better lighting going here.
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Sorry, I had to move to my desk and it's sort of a cluttered
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mess. I do want to say.
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I do want to say I appreciate you coming in and actually
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participating in the conversation.
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Go ahead. I I was hoping I hadn't
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forgotten about the show. I had set a reminder and we, me
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and my girly, we were just watching some SWAT and whatnot.
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We we're sort of a SWAT junkies in our time.
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And I checked my phone and I noticed that the show was going
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on and I was like, oh wow, I told this guy I was going to
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jump in on this. So I did what I could to get in
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on it. But yes, I've actually written
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multiple books. This is my biggest book.
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It's been in the works for over 10, no longer than 10 years,
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like 1314 years now. And this is its fourth
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federation. It's over 500 pages long and it
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covers all the things that Peter Gilmore doesn't want people to
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understand. It's called the Satanic
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Testament. It's my own personal law take on
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Satanism, especially Levay and Satanism.
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And you know you got. May I ask you a question?
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Do you see? Because we were just reading off
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the Church of Satan side, and I know you say you're not a part
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of that sect, but they clearly say that they are a religion,
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although they are atheistic. How do?
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You see it? How do you see it?
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Satan's real dude. No way, No shit.
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I'm not even going to mince words about it.
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STS is the only theistic Levayan organization in the world.
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I'm not going to mince words there.
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I could go into a whole big spiel on how we view Satan, but
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the fact of the matter is is we view Satan as a very real
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essence. We do not view Satan as an
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anthropomorphic being. We view Satan as a transmutable
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essence, but still very real, still an intelligent, conscious,
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but also metaphoric. Anything that you want to
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ascribe to what a deity is, is how we view Satan.
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We are definitely a very theistic.
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We definitely believe in a very real Satan.
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So you believe that he's essentially a spirit?
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Yes, he can be certainly a spirit.
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He can be anthropomorphic if the if it suits him for whatever
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reason, but it is not his natural state.
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We believe he is a transmutable energy.
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Anton Lavey in the Satanic Bible and all of his other writings
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flat out stated that Satan was a dark undercurrent of energy in
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nature. Now, I'm sorry, but that does
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not really sound very atheistic to me, does it to you?
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No, no, the Satanic Church. I've talked to a few of them in
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the past and they really pushed, oh, we're just atheists and we
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kind of do things for attention. But I've also read about that
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there are actual theistic Satanists who believe in a real
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entity or. Or S.
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Yeah, and Anton Lavey was definitely one of those the and
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I, you know, STS. One of the things that the
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Church of Satan hates about STS. My organization is that time and
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time and time again we have sunk every argument that they have
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tried to make that states that Satan is not real, that they are
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atheists, that Satanism is atheists.
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And one of the biggest things that we use to state that is
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that out of 30 years, five books, he wrote countless
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articles, he wrote numerous audio and video interviews that
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he participated in. Anton Lavey never once said to
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his interviewer, I am an atheist.
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He never did. If you look in The Satanic Bible
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and his other writings, he criticized atheists just as much
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as he criticized Christians. So I'm sorry, if you're an
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atheist, you're not going to criticize your own people.
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The only person whoever stated that Satanism was atheism is
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Peter H Gilmore. So I kind of I kind of have an
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understanding why there's the beef with Christianity.
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But why would he have issue with the atheist for?
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I'd like to hear that, if you don't mind.
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Well, I mean, it was a religion. You guys made a very good, solid
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mention as I was trying to click in.
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I was overhearing what you guys were talking about and you
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stated it quite clearly. Satanism is a religion.
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What is a religion? A religion is the existence, if
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you actually look at the definition of religion, is
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having faith in something. It can be faith in a deity, in a
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philosophy or something. It is having faith.
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What is atheism? It is the absence of faith.
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OK, so Satanism is a religion. It means we have faith.
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We have faith in ourselves because we view ourselves as our
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own personal gods. In the whole end scheme of it,
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we view ourselves as our own personal deities.
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So right there we automatically have a belief in a deity of the
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physical corporeal flesh. We cannot deny that that
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automatically de facto moots us out of the whole atheist thing.
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But when we look at what the definition of a deity is, you
33:00
could argue it on many different points and describe it under
33:05
many different points. And I actually have a chapter in
33:08
this book that is, and you can actually find it on our website
33:13
satanicthuliansociety.com. That is called Who or what is
33:19
Satan? And it just goes into the whole
33:21
different ways. You could view Satan as being
33:25
real because it is a very nuanced thing.
33:29
There is many different denomination of Satanism that
33:33
could be seen as being very real.
33:37
And none of them are atheistic, None of them at all.
33:42
We can take some atheistic logical approaches to how we
33:46
view things, but that doesn't make us atheists.
33:51
And for the Church of Satan to sit there, not only the church
33:55
Satan, but also the Satanic Temple who tried to spout off at
33:58
their non theistic the witch is absolutely idiotic in my
34:04
opinion. For them to come off and say
34:07
that they're atheists and then try to claim to be a religion,
34:13
it's an oxymoron. I'm sorry, it's a total
34:16
oxymoron. So you are aware that in 2006,
34:22
though some atheists that were in prison wanted the same rights
34:25
as religious groups, and they actually took it to the Supreme
34:29
Court. Atheism, atheism was actually
34:32
set up as a religion. It's an official religion.
34:35
I understand what you're saying then.
34:37
It shouldn't have called atheism then.
34:39
It's a, it's. Why not call it humanism?
34:43
Well, the way the way we understand the word religion,
34:47
the way I look at it is actually through a phrase we call
34:51
worldview, because it's basically just how you view the
34:54
world. And if you understand religion
34:56
as a worldview, then atheism absolutely meets that definition
35:00
of religion because you have a certain belief about the world
35:05
that. Could that could definitely be
35:07
argued, Yeah. And that belief will.
35:09
Come with other beliefs that also are part of that, but then.
35:13
But. Then you know, I I agree.
35:15
You know the way these atheists behave, especially in pep
35:18
members of the Church. Satan.
35:20
Mind you, I'm not saying all atheists are like this, because
35:24
I've known atheists who are actually really decent people
35:27
and they actually fulfilled what definition of atheism was and
35:32
they were like, hey, if you want to go believe that, go believe
35:34
that. If I'm not, fine, just don't
35:37
push it on me. But if a person is going to take
35:41
a philosophy, any philosophy, including atheism, and then
35:46
apply it to their lives in a religious fashion.
35:50
Then it is no longer. Atheism.
35:53
It is a religion and it doesn't matter if you want to call it
35:58
non theistic or whatnot. Atheism is the lack of faith.
36:03
A religion is the existence of faith.
36:06
Theism is the existence of faith.
36:10
Right. But.
36:11
So if they're going to get it as.
36:13
A religion? Then stop calling it atheism.
36:15
Call it something else. Do you mind if I?
36:18
Ask you some questions, because I've always ran into the the
36:22
atheistic versions of Satanist that claim that there is no
36:26
supernatural, no God, or all this kind of stuff.
36:30
Now, obviously, you. Realize that Judaism and
36:32
Christianity has their own origin story of the devil.
36:36
From your position though your point of view, where did Satan
36:40
come from and when did the origin actually happen?
36:43
Or at least a story for you guys?
36:45
Well. We have our own origin stories
36:48
and whatnot, but what I'm going to say is not written in any
36:53
book and I'm going to take a little bit more of a scientific,
36:57
logical approach here before I get into that.
37:02
You know, if you really want to know what we can what we have as
37:05
sort of a our version of Genesis, read The Diabolic On by
37:10
Michael Aquino. That sort of gives our own
37:14
little version of Genesis. And it's definitely very
37:17
metaphorical. But what we believe is that
37:23
Satan and God are, while being very real beings, we call them,
37:30
we are. We call them what is called
37:31
egregorce, which is a living thought form.
37:36
Now this does not detract from anything of their deific
37:40
natures. If anything, it explains it in
37:44
that when you have an egregore, which is a living thought form,
37:49
that is the same thing as like a small child having an imaginary
37:53
friend, and they believe that imaginary friend in it exists so
38:00
hard that it actually begins influencing their world
38:04
immediately around them. Well, now take that imaginary
38:08
friend and say it does something that causes the parents or other
38:14
friends to believe in that imaginary friend.
38:18
Now it's expanded its source of belief.
38:21
More people are believing in this thought form, thinking on
38:25
it, creating a back story to it, fleshing it out if you will.
38:30
Well, it just gets more and more powerful.
38:32
It's influencing more and more people.
38:34
The more people that it can influence creates more belief in
38:38
it. Eventually that thought form
38:43
gets so powerful it can control up to 1/3 of the world, or have
38:48
people who believe in it that take up 1/3 of the world.
38:53
Does this sound familiar? It almost sounds.
38:56
Like the boogeyman character from that one horror film
38:59
franchise, Yeah. Yeah, basically the only way.
39:02
He can exist is if you believe he does and if you do then he.
39:05
Same goes with. Any deity and a deity is a type
39:09
of egregore. That means that man created the
39:14
deity, and a man at the end of the day has the power to destroy
39:19
it just by removing his faith in it.
39:22
Does this make the deity any less real?
39:25
No, it does not. It makes it even more real
39:28
because it makes. It real to the.
39:29
Individual person. And if the individual person has
39:33
a belief in that deity and a belief that it can influence
39:37
their lives surrounding it, then most certainly that deity can
39:42
exist. Now an egregore is like I said,
39:45
is a living thought form. It mean it needs people putting
39:49
forth conscious energy towards it.
39:52
When you think on something, you literally are putting your
39:55
energy towards it. Am I correct?
39:58
Yeah, it sounds kind of like a. Mind over matter thing.
40:01
You're basically pushing something into reality through
40:05
your thought exactly. Now, if something becomes so
40:10
powerful and whatnot, what's to say that it can't go back in
40:14
time and cause The Big Bang, in effect causing creation?
40:20
When we look at science and we understand how scientists look
40:24
at The Big Bang, they can't figure out what was there before
40:27
it. It was nothingness it.
40:29
Was a void, a black void. Nothing existed then something
40:33
came into that void that caused The Big Bang.
40:37
I'm sorry, that sounds a lot like the creation myth in many
40:41
different cultures. When we look to Shintoism,
40:44
that's exactly how they described it.
40:46
Was that in the beginning? It was just the mikaboshi, the
40:51
void, the darkness. And then suddenly the other
40:54
commie came into existence out of nowhere.
40:56
No explanation of where they came from.
40:59
Well, they had. To come from somewhere.
41:02
Outside the universe, a moment they did, they caused a Big
41:06
Bang. This can be applied to any sort
41:08
of deity. The moment any sort of foreign
41:12
molecule energy source enters the void immediately, you cause
41:18
a cataclysmic explosion which creates existence.
41:25
I I. Will say this is very thought
41:27
provoking and I appreciate the thought exercise, but I mean
41:31
besides all the imagination and humans pushing forth all these
41:35
thoughts that can cause this kind of rubber band effect that
41:39
you speak of, you still though you still actually believe that
41:43
Satan is an actual entity that was not created to our thoughts
41:47
though right? We believe that Satan.
41:50
Well, I'm not going to say that we don't believe in a very real
41:53
Satan. We do believe in a very real
41:55
Satan. How that Satan came into being,
41:58
we can only speculate. The whole concept of him being
42:03
an egregore is just one way to understand him.
42:06
It is our way to understand him as a actual being, in essence a
42:14
real spirit, a deity. But when we attribute things to
42:20
them, we have to understand that us as humans only have a limited
42:25
understanding. This is why we have to
42:27
anthropomorphize our deities, if you really.
42:31
Stop and think. About it is energy.
42:33
What would a deity or an Angel or a demon be?
42:37
Is it really male or female? Does it have arms and legs and
42:41
head? No.
42:42
We attribute these to it, anthropomorphizing it so we
42:46
understand it. And that's how any of.
42:50
These explanations come in. It's our version of
42:53
anthropomorphizing, so we have some sort of understanding and
42:57
can explain it to ourselves. Well, I I agree.
43:01
With you that people can anthropomorphize things for
43:05
sure, especially whenever it comes to religious practices on
43:08
both sides of the aisle. However, you do believe that if
43:12
God or the Devil is made-up of some form of energy and can
43:16
manifest the universe, surely it could have arms, it could have
43:20
legs, Very much so if they. Want to that?
43:24
That's definitely not outside of the purview of any of this.
43:28
It's just we state that is not their natural state of
43:33
existence. Their natural state is energy.
43:36
It's like water. Water can be a liquid, a gas or
43:39
solid. It doesn't mean that it can't be
43:42
other things, but it's natural state we usually consider being
43:47
liquid. So, you know, just.
43:50
Like that, a deity can certainly manifest in the physical and
43:55
premorphize itself into looking like a human into having hands,
43:59
feet, arms, legs, human genitalia.
44:04
So yes. That is definitely possible.
44:08
In this whole purview of things, yeah, we do not rule that out.
44:13
So it sounded. Like earlier in the
44:14
conversation, although you stated that you do believe that
44:17
there's actual Satan. I don't know if you view it as
44:22
an actual devil or something, but you also believe that there
44:26
is a God. You just not thrilled with them,
44:29
I take it, yeah. You know you cannot say that you
44:34
believe in Satan and not say you.
44:37
And let me rephrase that. You cannot say you believe in
44:40
the devil and then not say that you believe in God.
44:44
You have to accept both of them as a dichotomy, A yin and Yang.
44:49
You know light and dark. Everything is balance you.
44:52
Don't have to like 1. Over the other, but that
44:58
doesn't. Change the fact.
44:59
That they're there, you know you.
45:01
Can certainly view. One as good guy, one as a bad
45:04
guy. You've.
45:06
Got a video? On your channel called Why I
45:09
left Christianity and you tell her I I would rather you explain
45:14
a little bit more but you said that you were attacked by an
45:16
animal I believe a dog and then you experienced something
45:20
benevolent. I I don't want to put words in
45:23
your mouth. Can you so?
45:25
It was a great thing. It was my grandmother's dog and
45:29
she didn't such attack me as she yelled.
45:32
She had recently been hit by a car and she had an injured paw
45:36
While we were in my grandmother's kitchen area.
45:38
I was laying right down next to Kelly girl that was her name and
45:42
I was petting her. Well stupid me being an 8 year
45:45
old boy, you know in Texas, not even thinking about it.
45:49
I had my shoes on and I accidentally hit her sore paw
45:54
and she yelped while my head was in the way and I still have the
45:58
scars here to show for it. I was pronounced dead on a rival
46:05
at the hospital and because one tooth had actually punched
46:10
through my skull hooked, a portion of my brain matter had
46:13
started to pull it out. The my eyeball was popped out of
46:17
the socket, was literally danging, dangling, and my nose
46:22
and my upper lip were all gutted out.
46:26
Yeah, there was a lot of damage and I bled out my grandmother
46:31
and my mother at the time, my adoptive mother, rushed me to
46:36
the hospital in the car. They didn't even wait for an
46:39
ambulance. They rushed me to the hospital
46:41
in a car and on the way there I passed away.
46:46
The doctors tried to perform life saving techniques on me
46:49
apparently, and I was shot up with epinephrine and it didn't
46:54
take. They were I had been pronounced.
46:56
I was. I was gone.
46:58
I mean I was gone, gone. I was dead for, from what I
47:01
understand, over 20 minutes. So there was 0.
47:05
Brain activity and whatnot, and what I experienced was a very
47:12
surreal experience. I remember us being in the car
47:17
and I remember being held by my mom and so suddenly the pain
47:23
stopped and I remember seeing the car below me, but literally
47:27
outside the car following along with it, and it was just getting
47:31
farther and farther away. I could see the houses,
47:34
everything surrounding me, and I remember turning and it was all
47:41
black, but it was a tunnel of light.
47:44
It was a tunnel of blue iridescent light, like laser
47:48
light. And it was.
47:51
Really weird. I didn't understand it time.
47:53
I was only 8 years old and do you believe that you?
47:58
Were your soul was levitating above these things that you were
48:02
looking down at? Oh, very much so, yes.
48:04
Very much so, no doubt about it. And I went into the light and I
48:12
remember at first it was like a very black void and I could see
48:16
things moving around and it. Was there's?
48:22
Things there that I don't want to describe.
48:24
And there was other people there who were being whisked away to
48:27
other places. And I remember suddenly I turned
48:30
and I was on this very cold, icy plain and it was literally like
48:38
the tundra, like Antarctica or the tundra.
48:41
And it was very cold, very icy. And there was all these.
48:45
Beings right in front of me. And I immediately knew who all
48:49
these beings were. I I recognized them without
48:51
knowing them. These were deities, different
48:55
deities from different parts of the world, and it was really
49:01
weird. And they had no malevolence in
49:03
them. I could definitely sense that I
49:05
could hear what they were all saying simultaneously or it's
49:11
not so much you perceive things how you might expect to
49:15
perceive, but it's not that you're actually perceiving them
49:18
that way because your energy, their energy, it's just your way
49:24
of interpreting things on how purse presents to you.
49:29
And they. Parted and there was this woman
49:32
there, and she approached. Me and.
49:37
Took me underneath her cloak and we walked over to this chasm.
49:42
It was this. Chasm.
49:44
There. And she showed me this scene,
49:50
and I didn't want to believe it at first, but I knew it was
49:53
true. Because when you're dead,
49:55
there's no real point in lying. You can't really lie.
49:59
It's not like you actually have a mouth.
50:03
You more like project your intentions, what you're trying
50:08
to say, what you want to say. You project it to others around
50:13
you and they perceive it. And it's very interconnected,
50:16
very weird. So we see this chasm and I see
50:21
God, actual God. Not, not bullshitting you, not
50:27
trying to make it up. It was like actual God.
50:29
It was like a looking at ATV screen.
50:33
Now when you say God, you're not.
50:34
Talking about the devil, you're actually talking about God, the
50:38
universe creator, right? I'm talking about.
50:41
Yahweh, Galta Bayoff. Whatever you want to call him,
50:47
God. God.
50:48
You know, Jehovah, What? By whatever name you choose to
50:53
call him. Yes, God.
50:54
God. The one that showed Moses his
50:57
hind quarters on Mount Sinai, the burning Bush.
51:02
God. And what I experienced there was
51:08
the most malevolent, hateful feeling that I have ever
51:15
encountered from a being before. It was frightening.
51:20
There was no love, There was no compassion, Nothing of that.
51:25
And excuse me in. A second There was no love, No.
51:33
Compassion. None of what you're taught in
51:35
Sunday school. If anything, it was hate,
51:40
malevolence and violence. And what I saw projected was
51:46
this beautiful being. Muscular man.
51:51
Plate bald on us and no hair whatsoever, anywhere.
51:55
A golden iridescent glow coming from him and just this pure
52:00
hatred. It was really weird.
52:04
And surrounding him, almost like ants, were trillions of naked
52:11
people all just being trodden under foot and flying around
52:21
him, you know, literally flanking him were other deities,
52:26
angelic beings. And.
52:29
Some looked humanish. Others looked like something
52:34
you'd read out of a Lovecraft novel.
52:38
Or. A Lovecraft story.
52:39
And it was just very strange. Now one thing you need to
52:44
remember is when I looked at the other deities that were
52:47
surrounding me, these were deities like from Egypt, Norse
52:50
mythology, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Japanese Kami, you
52:56
name it. They were from other Pagan
52:59
deities. But never once was there any
53:03
demonic essences there, nor were was Satan there.
53:09
However, I could sense. And the existence of Satan.
53:14
Elsewhere. I could feel that.
53:17
He was out there somewhere and it did not feel malevolent.
53:22
I did not encounter him, but it did not feel malevolent.
53:26
And what this woman said to me after she showed me this is you
53:32
need to go back there is you need to do something.
53:37
You need to go back. And after that, I remember
53:43
waking up in the operating room freaking out that I had the
53:49
sheet over my head. I was freaking out.
53:51
There was a guy standing right over me and I'm just this little
53:55
8 year old boy and I grabbed this fully grown man and I sling
53:59
them over me. I had been shot up with like 3
54:03
doses of Epinephrine. And my.
54:07
Adrenaline was just going crazy. Eventually I had to be subdued
54:12
and tranquilized and I woke up like 3 days later after they had
54:16
repaired my face and everything. And yeah, that's my near death
54:23
experience. Surprisingly enough, I did not
54:28
believe it when I woke up. I didn't want to believe it.
54:32
And I did not go against God at that point.
54:37
If anything, I went more towards God.
54:39
I became very super Christian pretty much at one point.
54:45
I was a child minister. I would take myself to church
54:49
like 3-4 times a week. And it was, it was really crazy.
54:56
It really was and. The thing is is.
55:02
After a period of time. I saw what I saw being shown to
55:08
me in that vision. When I was dead.
55:13
I saw it coming true. In real life, I saw.
55:17
The lack of empathy. There was a woman who was coming
55:22
to one of the churches there, dying of cancer.
55:25
She was Wheeling herself to church and.
55:28
Giving. Everything she could to the
55:32
church, you know, and praying for healing and nothing.
55:40
One day, she just stopped showing up.
55:44
And that wasn't the first time. I saw several people like that,
55:47
you know, and it really broke my faith.
55:51
It broke my faith in Christianity.
55:53
And I knew something was out there.
55:55
I I had seen it. And so I started studying all
55:59
these other different religions. And, you know, eventually one
56:05
day I was like 13 years old and I was in a hotel room.
56:11
We were just moving to Wilkes Barre at that point in time,
56:14
Wilkes Barre, PA. And the movie, The Craft came
56:18
on. I sat down and I watched the
56:20
movie and I was like witchcraft as a religion.
56:24
And so I started studying Wicca and looking into that, and I
56:28
ended up becoming part of New Forest Coven.
56:31
Which was it? The American branch in New
56:34
Forest Coven, which was the coven that Doctor General
56:38
Gardner founded and I apprenticed for over three years
56:43
with them being Eventually I gained my high priesthood.
56:47
And you know, I was wicked for the longest time, for over 10
56:51
years, probably something closer to 1415 years, including all the
56:56
studying time and whatnot, that I was a Wiccan.
57:01
And eventually one day I came across The Satanic Bible.
57:05
I had remembered having a previous encounter with the
57:08
Church Satan that was very positive back in 97, my first
57:13
and only time at that point of having an encounter with the
57:17
Church Satan. And yes, that was the encounter
57:19
that I actually did meet Peter Gilmore before he was the head
57:23
of the Church. Satan.
57:25
Anton Lavey had not passed away by that point and I spent less
57:29
than 5 minutes in the man company and I was crawling the
57:32
walls to get away from him. And.
57:37
That was the only negative experience out of that whole
57:39
encounter that I had, and I read The Satanic Bible.
57:47
I realized that The Satanic Bible was just simply holding up
57:52
a mirror to how I viewed the world as it was naturally.
57:56
And so I took on the mantle of Satanist, and I've been a
57:59
Satanist ever since. And well, now here I am.
58:03
I'm an author. I run my own organization.
58:06
I took over the cloven hoof from the church, Satan, much their
58:11
chagrin. They definitely did not like
58:13
that. But now we run it and we publish
58:17
it. So yeah, can I ask you a tough?
58:21
Question. Go ahead.
58:24
So. You.
58:26
You. Said that you.
58:27
Experienced as a Christian, something that a lot of
58:29
Christians unfortunately have had to deal with.
58:32
Where we see suffering, we see that people fight head over
58:35
heel, hoping that they'll be able to get over a disease or a
58:39
condition or suffering and all that.
58:41
We've seen it. It is terrible.
58:43
It's a horrible thing and a lot of people will have their doubts
58:46
and the question God. But what if that same woman came
58:50
to the Satanic Church? What would your church or your
58:53
belief be able to do for the woman with cancer?
58:58
Take responsibility into. Your own hands.
59:00
It's not a guarantee that you would succeed in curing
59:05
yourself, but you would have a much more of a chance of success
59:10
if you took the responsibility into your own hands to seek the
59:14
medical attention necessary. Death comes for us all.
59:18
I mean, I'm sorry. None of us are truly immortal in
59:21
the physical flesh. Our words can exist for many
59:25
generations beyond us, but what people remember the most about
59:30
it is our deeds. So when?
59:32
You're. And if you're sick, if you're
59:34
dying and whatnot, it's understandable to have a
59:38
question of faith. But The thing is is don't put
59:43
all of your eggs in one basket. Don't just simply pray to God to
59:47
be healed. Go out and take.
59:50
Make the effort to either heal yourself or live what time you
59:55
have left to the best of your abilities and be fulfilled.
1:00:00
I agree with that. But you do understand my point,
1:00:03
right? I mean, one of the one of the
1:00:05
things that I'm sure it's not the only reason you've got.
1:00:08
You had your doubts and you walked away from it, but you're
1:00:11
saying that you've seen people suffering and you didn't feel as
1:00:15
though God compensated those people properly.
1:00:19
But according to your own belief, if someone has the
1:00:23
issue, you're not going to be able to fix them with your
1:00:25
religion that you're currently a part of, and we never claim to.
1:00:29
We never claim to that. That's one of the things about
1:00:34
Satanism is that, unlike Christianity, which makes all
1:00:40
these promises of being healed. By the.
1:00:45
Power of God and then never fulfilling.
1:00:48
We never make that promise. We never tell anyone that we
1:00:52
will heal them through the power of the Black Flame.
1:00:55
No, we can certainly send healing energies and help them
1:01:00
along the path and give them the emotional support to to achieve
1:01:07
that, but we never say that they're going that we're going
1:01:10
to be able to heal them. It's not like we're going to lay
1:01:13
our hands on them and drive out all the evil spirits and
1:01:19
miraculously heal the wounds. We're not going to make the
1:01:22
crippled walk again. We're not going to make anybody
1:01:25
walk on water or anything like that.
1:01:29
Not unless we're Angel or David Copperfield or something.
1:01:33
You know, all of that is stage magic, and that's getting into a
1:01:38
whole different realm there. But what we will do is we will
1:01:42
be there for you and we will encourage you to heal yourself
1:01:47
both up here and in here and then get you to the doctor's to
1:01:53
get the chemo. Right.
1:01:57
And how much? Go ahead.
1:01:59
Sound much? That doesn't sound much.
1:02:01
Different than the Bible believing Christian churches
1:02:03
I've been a part of in my life. Yeah, I I'm.
1:02:09
I don't know what Christian churches you've been a part of.
1:02:11
I've been in a lot of intent revivals and whatnot were
1:02:15
they're going to say that they're going to heal people and
1:02:17
you see people dancing down the aisleways and yeah, I've seen
1:02:20
those too, and I'm not really impressed.
1:02:22
By that either no no I. Can't say I blame you.
1:02:25
The main thing that I would always say is is that you know
1:02:30
if you're. Going to kill yourself.
1:02:33
You got to 1st heal yourself up here before you can heal your
1:02:35
body. If you lose your faith, then
1:02:39
find a new faith. Find a new direction for
1:02:41
yourself. No one has to be a Satanist.
1:02:44
No one has to be a Christian. No one has to be a Buddhist.
1:02:47
They don't have to be anything. But if you are, then there's not
1:02:51
really any way that you can change that about yourself
1:02:53
unless you want to. Well, I do appreciate.
1:02:57
Your point of view and I appreciate you sharing with us,
1:03:00
but I I am curious. Have you ever seen the irony
1:03:04
though, And some of the views that you spoken?
1:03:06
You said that whenever you were a child, you died and you
1:03:10
actually stood before God. Now you say that you had some
1:03:14
bad feelings about it. There was some iffiness about
1:03:17
it. What if a woman dies from cancer
1:03:21
and she dies on the table and ends up going and being with
1:03:24
God? What is the other view systems
1:03:26
out there actually offer? It sounds like, from Christian's
1:03:30
point of view, that the woman actually has an opportunity to
1:03:34
transition into a eternity. What are the other religions
1:03:38
actually offer though? Do you get what I'm saying?
1:03:41
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And one thing I, you know, me
1:03:46
talking about my experience in my past and how I saw things
1:03:50
when I died, it's not a very common thing that I talk about,
1:03:55
you know? I don't like talking about it
1:03:57
very much because I understand that other people will have
1:04:00
different experiences. What I experience is my
1:04:04
perception, what I perceived as things going on as a child when
1:04:11
I died and it shocked me. What other people might?
1:04:14
Experience as adults or children, that's on them.
1:04:18
And I can't speak to them on that.
1:04:21
And that's why I don't talk about what my experience is very
1:04:26
often to very many people. But it sounds like you.
1:04:31
Actually know for a fact I mean you actually died.
1:04:34
This was special. It was.
1:04:36
It was. Definitely enough of an
1:04:38
experience. Let me put it this way, I.
1:04:41
Don't know if I'm right. Or wrong in real life, I don't
1:04:44
know how. All I know is that I was brain
1:04:47
dead. There was no brain activity
1:04:49
going on up here and I experienced something that drove
1:04:52
me to this point in my life. Now that guided me to this point
1:04:57
in my life now where I have a faith in a real spirit world.
1:05:02
I have a faith in Deity. And it doesn't matter.
1:05:07
Whether I'm right or wrong, the fact of the matter is I
1:05:09
experienced something that gave me that faith that I could not
1:05:13
refute, and out of my 42 years of life, I have never
1:05:19
encountered anything to make me question that or believe
1:05:23
otherwise. I can appreciate that.
1:05:27
And I really do appreciate you having the courage and bravery
1:05:31
to share the story with us. And I am convinced that what
1:05:35
you're saying you actually believe that you experienced.
1:05:38
Obviously I won't be able to jump on the same level because I
1:05:41
did not have the same personal experience, but I do believe in
1:05:44
the supernatural. I do believe people see things.
1:05:47
I'll be right back that. Can't be explained.
1:05:50
I'll be right back. TTOR you want to talk with them?
1:05:54
Yeah, I can. Gotta use the ladies room.
1:05:59
Well, can I quickly grab? A drink Really quickly.
1:06:01
I'm right in my kitchen. It'll take Me 2 seconds.
1:06:04
Yeah, go ahead. No problem.
1:06:06
We're not that stringent on this show.
1:06:09
No you can't. Get up out of your chair.
1:06:11
No, you can't use the bathroom. No, no, we're not like that
1:06:16
here. All right?
1:06:21
Sorry. About that, no problem.
1:06:25
So listening to your testimony about your out of body
1:06:30
experience when you died, how it caught to that point was sad and
1:06:36
I understand you had the experience you had and it was
1:06:38
very vivid for you and you saw what you described, but.
1:06:43
How does that? Compare to other people's
1:06:45
experiences, 'cause you talked about how you were out of your
1:06:48
body. You went through a tunnel like
1:06:51
dark blue. Light and you.
1:06:52
Saw you found these other deities that represented the
1:06:55
deity. It really made me start.
1:06:57
Studying religion, it definitely drove me towards religion and
1:07:03
dedicating myself to the study of faith and religion and
1:07:10
understanding these things in a way that your average person
1:07:16
might not and. I I I really.
1:07:21
Can't say on how other people might perceive things.
1:07:25
What I can say is that it's always individualized, it's very
1:07:30
nuanced and each person will always experience their own
1:07:34
individual thing and it will influence them differently.
1:07:39
I'm trying to compare. What your testimony about your
1:07:42
death experience is to someone else that I came across a couple
1:07:46
years ago. I've certainly heard similar
1:07:48
things. But basically you encounter.
1:07:51
These other deities that you knew somehow represented the
1:07:54
gods of other religions and they showed you Yahweh and you know,
1:07:58
the billions of people around him, and basically you just got
1:08:03
all this hate from it, the hate, hate Aurora from that.
1:08:06
You basically could feel this hate coming off of Yahweh and
1:08:10
the people around him, not the people around.
1:08:13
Him. Not the small, not yet just from
1:08:16
him. The angelic essences were very
1:08:20
indifferent. They were neutral.
1:08:22
And the people underneath him, the the trillions of beings
1:08:28
below him, certainly came off as mournful, sorrowful, pretty much
1:08:34
the way that you're just that. When we read about hell in like
1:08:39
Dante's Inferno or John Milton's Paradise Lost, the way that Hell
1:08:44
is often portrayed, that's what I got off of them.
1:08:50
It was just. A hell of serving.
1:08:53
Something that didn't care about.
1:08:55
She's something that resented you.
1:08:57
Have you ever had that, like girlfriend or boyfriend?
1:09:00
I don't know. What's your preferences?
1:09:03
Have you ever had that significant other who you gave
1:09:06
your all to and all they gave back to you was nothing but
1:09:10
grief and shit? Not quite that.
1:09:14
Bad, no, but I have been rejected by girlfriends before
1:09:18
so. Well.
1:09:21
Take that. And make that in your entire
1:09:23
existence. How do you think that would
1:09:29
feel? Well, if that was all you.
1:09:32
Knew for your entire existence you wouldn't feel too good about
1:09:36
it. Exactly.
1:09:38
And that's what. I got off of them.
1:09:41
That's the best way that I can describe that.
1:09:45
But a couple of years. Ago at my church that I now go
1:09:49
to and that I actually work at as ATV producer, there was a guy
1:09:53
who came named, I think I was, I think it was Dean Braxton or
1:09:57
something like that. They did a piece on him on CBN
1:10:01
years ago, I was about to say. That name.
1:10:03
Sounds very familiar to me. He had been dead.
1:10:06
He. Died and had been stayed dead
1:10:08
for like, I don't know if it was like half an hour or if it was
1:10:11
like several hours. I don't remember the time frame.
1:10:14
But he was dead long enough that he actually had an out of body
1:10:18
experience, kind of like you, except for instead of what you
1:10:22
described, he was actually in heaven, walking with Jesus,
1:10:27
seeing people who had died previously, you know, in history
1:10:31
past. But we're alive and walking.
1:10:33
Around. Normally.
1:10:34
And his entire experience basically lined up with the
1:10:39
biblical understanding of afterlife in Jesus.
1:10:43
And yeah, and that's what. Threw me off with mine is see I
1:10:48
was raised to be Christian. My parent, my adopted mother, my
1:10:53
grandmother and everything. They all took me to Sunday
1:10:56
school. I was raised Christian.
1:10:59
I had no reason whatsoever to see God or any of that in a
1:11:05
negative light. No explanation for it, but Dean
1:11:09
Braxton. Basically described the opposite
1:11:12
of you as far as what it was like being there.
1:11:14
Because everything was lights, everything was love, there was
1:11:18
no hate, there was no nothing. So my question to you is that
1:11:22
isn't it kind of weird that you have your experience with God
1:11:27
and while you're dead where all you feel is hate coming off of
1:11:30
him as a child? None the less, someone else has
1:11:33
the. Opposite experience like how
1:11:35
does well also. Let's look at the age
1:11:37
difference. What?
1:11:39
How old was he? When he died, well, I wasn't a
1:11:42
child. I mean.
1:11:43
OK. Well, right there, I would say
1:11:47
as a child, even 8 years old, even though I had gone to, you
1:11:53
know, church and whatnot and was raised a Christian, I would say
1:11:57
that at that point in time I would be in a much more still
1:12:01
susceptible state to other influences that maybe I wasn't
1:12:05
aware of. You know, this is when I was 8
1:12:07
years old. I'm 42 now.
1:12:09
I couldn't remember everything from back then.
1:12:12
And I'm not going to say that, you know, I didn't have other
1:12:15
influences. Certainly.
1:12:16
I always loved Dracula. Hell, right?
1:12:20
And even nowadays, whenever you see me doing a ritual, which we
1:12:23
do do live stream rituals, tomorrow night we're going to be
1:12:26
doing one on Facebook, our standard monthly high mass.
1:12:31
I wear a replica of Christopher Lee's Dracula ring, you know.
1:12:37
So you know, I always loved to hammer Dracula movies growing
1:12:41
up. But again, I was always rooting
1:12:43
for Peter Cushing. And as Van Helsing, Dracula was
1:12:48
still the bad guy. I had enough understanding.
1:12:50
No, Dracula was the bad guy. But.
1:12:53
How does him being the? Adult when he had his experience
1:12:56
with God after death. And you, I would say, as an.
1:12:59
Adult He would be much more set in his beliefs.
1:13:02
As a child, you can be much more fluid in your beliefs and not
1:13:08
quite set as an adult. You've been there for decades
1:13:13
now. You're pretty well set in.
1:13:16
You know, it would be very difficult for a person to come
1:13:19
up to me now as an adult and try to convert me to Christianity.
1:13:25
Many have tried. All have failed.
1:13:28
I have not been a Christian since I was about 12 years old.
1:13:32
Right the the thing. That, and I'm back, by the way,
1:13:36
in case you guys didn't see my beautiful pageant face up there.
1:13:40
We saw it the you. OK.
1:13:43
So the experiences that you see like this catechism and there's
1:13:47
you just feel this like hate off of it.
1:13:50
If you if you really believe that the feeling that you were
1:13:53
having was true to hate. Why do you think that the entity
1:13:57
sent you back into your body for gave you your life back.
1:14:01
I mean that's what happened, right.
1:14:03
You were dead and it must have actually put you back into life
1:14:08
into. Yeah.
1:14:09
And I'm not sure fully what the mission was.
1:14:15
All I know is that I was told I had work to do and that I was
1:14:21
sent back, that I had to be here.
1:14:24
My life since. Then has led me from being a
1:14:29
devout Christian for a number of years, to studying multiple
1:14:34
other religions, to becoming a Wiccan and becoming a Wiccan
1:14:39
High Priest, to eventually becoming a Satan Satanist and a
1:14:45
leader of my own of a Satanic organization.
1:14:48
That and you know, writing multiple books.
1:14:52
I have a couple books sitting right here published like 5
1:14:57
books already. So yeah, man.
1:15:00
I'm writing more. But yeah.
1:15:05
What was that mission? Maybe it's just to set the
1:15:08
record straight on what Anton Lavey was actually about.
1:15:13
Maybe it's just to put Satanism back on a current path.
1:15:17
Maybe it's to challenge Christianity.
1:15:20
I don't know. I really don't know.
1:15:23
Maybe. That mission was just simply to
1:15:26
live life well. I have one.
1:15:29
Other question though about your testimony you gave because you
1:15:33
said the thing that caused you to essentially walk away from
1:15:37
the faith was that you for part of the church and you saw this
1:15:41
old lady who was dying of cancer and she was asked.
1:15:43
That was just one instance. Of that, yeah.
1:15:46
And that basically, they were. Just completely UN empathetic
1:15:49
towards her. They were indifferent, they just
1:15:51
didn't care. Which that's bad in itself.
1:15:55
But when you read the Bible of God talks about how in the last
1:15:58
days before his return to establish his Kingdom on earth,
1:16:02
that the love of many is going to wax cold.
1:16:05
And that people are going to be divided and fighting each other
1:16:08
and hating each other, not caring about each other.
1:16:11
They're going to be very unloving towards each other, it
1:16:14
seems. Like what you?
1:16:15
Experienced is not something that would be.
1:16:19
Antithetical to the. Biblical world view being true
1:16:22
or wouldn't be a disproof of it being true, especially since God
1:16:26
talks about in the scriptures about how when I like.
1:16:30
That. Well, when I.
1:16:32
When I was studying as a Christian, when I was a, you
1:16:35
know, studying that, I remember Genesis 6.
1:16:40
What is it, 6-9 Or God talks about being regretful, of
1:16:45
creating humanity in all things on earth and he's going to wipe
1:16:49
everybody out. That's in Genesis.
1:16:51
That's not. Revelations.
1:16:52
That's Genesis. And yet he.
1:16:55
Also told Noah to create an ark, and he extended an invitation to
1:16:59
anyone who wanted to not die in the flood to get on the ark.
1:17:03
Problem is, only Noah and his family got on the ark.
1:17:07
No one else took that OfferUp and that's why everyone else
1:17:10
died. Well, according to that.
1:17:12
But you got to. Figure there was other boats
1:17:14
there too. You're just not told.
1:17:17
Well, look, at the time frame of that happening.
1:17:21
We already know that there was, you know, no one knew how to
1:17:25
build a boat. That's not a skill.
1:17:27
That just comes overnight, even if God told him to do it.
1:17:30
Even with those plans, there was already economy and shopping,
1:17:35
you know, going on back then. Commerce had to exist.
1:17:38
Where did all that? Commerce.
1:17:40
Come from where were those goods coming from?
1:17:42
Certainly not from one location. You had trade routes.
1:17:45
Most often times these trade routes would have crossed over
1:17:48
bodies of water even if it was just a body of water like a lake
1:17:52
or a river. Yeah, OK.
1:17:56
So boats. Existed.
1:17:58
Noah's boat wasn't the only boat out there.
1:18:01
Right you. Mind if I ask?
1:18:04
You something that doesn't have anything to do with religion,
1:18:07
but you would spark my attention when you said you're from Texas,
1:18:10
right? Yes, I was born there.
1:18:13
So in. Texas Right now, there's a big
1:18:15
old thing going on where they're talking about a civil war
1:18:19
between what's going on with the country with what's happening
1:18:23
down by the border. What's your thoughts on that?
1:18:25
Just take a break. I'm actually really proud of.
1:18:28
My state for taking a stand and not listening to Joe Biden and
1:18:33
taking a stand and protecting our borders.
1:18:35
I support Texas 100% on this. I am a Republican.
1:18:40
I am a conservative. And which will surprise a lot of
1:18:44
people, a Satanist, that's a conservative and a Republican,
1:18:46
well, so is Anton Lebay. But.
1:18:51
The what? No, it doesn't surprise me
1:18:54
believe. It or not, you aren't.
1:18:56
Yep. Anton Lavey actually wrote about
1:19:00
being conservative and Republican.
1:19:03
Actually, he surrounded himself quite a bit with many numerous
1:19:07
people who are on the political far right what not.
1:19:11
But that's a different topic of conversation.
1:19:14
What Texas is doing right now, I think is the right step to do
1:19:20
that. I wish more border states would
1:19:22
do. Because, you know, immigrants
1:19:26
coming over without due process. Doing it the right way is only
1:19:33
hurting our economy. My adoptive father was an
1:19:37
immigrant. He came from Scotland and he
1:19:41
came over here the right way. He worked his tail off for
1:19:45
years. Yeah, he had a bit of an
1:19:46
advantage coming from Scotland and the UK, but he was still an
1:19:51
immigrant. He was not born in States and he
1:19:54
still had to have a green card. He still had to take the oath
1:19:59
once he became a full citizen of the United States, and that was
1:20:03
still a big deal for him. And.
1:20:08
You know, even though he was married to an American citizen,
1:20:12
he still had worked his butt off to get here underneath his own
1:20:15
power before he ever met her. So yeah, the way that I view
1:20:23
that what Texas is doing and is the right thing to do, I have
1:20:28
been saying, and I've said this on my channel, my YouTube
1:20:31
channel actually used to not be about Satanism.
1:20:33
It used to be about politics and all this other stuff until I
1:20:37
just got sick and tired of it and I reformatted it to being
1:20:41
about Satanism. I I I stand.
1:20:45
With Texas and their decision, I think that it was courageous.
1:20:49
It's brave in my state. Where I'm from is Missouri and
1:20:53
we stand behind it. Our our governor stands behind
1:20:56
Texas as well. I I currently live in.
1:20:58
South Carolina and everybody here is standing behind Texas as
1:21:02
well, so. And the thing A lot.
1:21:05
Of people don't really think about those who are opposed to
1:21:09
what Texas is doing is that the border of Texas and Mexico is
1:21:13
not just the border of the US and another country, it's
1:21:17
Texas's border. And they have a right, according
1:21:20
to the constitution of their state and our country, to defend
1:21:23
their own border and what a lot of people.
1:21:26
Tend to forget is Texas is one of two states was its.
1:21:30
Own. Country at one point.
1:21:33
They have their own economy. They have the ability to run
1:21:38
Texas as its own country again, if they so choose.
1:21:43
And. Plus Texans.
1:21:45
We took Texas from Mexico. We.
1:21:51
Spilled our own blood at the Alamo.
1:21:56
For that ramp? You know.
1:21:59
Our. You know American blood.
1:22:01
Texan blood is what waters the soil in Texas.
1:22:08
And that's one. Of the reasons why they say you
1:22:11
know, a Texas Rangers jurisdiction is wherever he's
1:22:14
standing. You know, Texas is a whole
1:22:20
nother. Country and I am proud to be a
1:22:23
natural born Texan. You were saying?
1:22:29
Earlier to bring it back a little bit more to the
1:22:31
theological basis, and I appreciate all you say, I
1:22:34
totally stand for Texas on this. I think you're doing great, but
1:22:38
you would you said that you had issue with some of the Satanists
1:22:43
that you've dealt with. You said something about
1:22:45
crawling up the wall whenever you're around some.
1:22:48
I believe his name was Gilmore. Peter Gilmore is the.
1:22:51
Current head of the Church Satan.
1:22:54
This is the guy who is saying that the Church of Satan is and
1:22:59
Satanism in general is atheism. He wrote the Satanic Scriptures
1:23:04
and literally from what I understand, mind you, what I'm
1:23:09
about to tell you, I cannot verify 100% so take it with a
1:23:13
grain of salt. But from what I have heard from
1:23:17
people who were there at the time in the church, Satan
1:23:21
literally in the room is that Peter Gilmore bought the Church
1:23:26
Satan off of Blanche Barton, who was the lover of Anton Levay
1:23:33
before he died. Excuse me.
1:23:37
And he bought it. From her that for about $500 and
1:23:45
this was the final amount that was paid to her.
1:23:49
I believe in something like 2005.
1:23:52
But even before then, Peter Gilmore's wife was the High
1:23:56
Priestess of the Church Satan Piggy and Dramia is her name.
1:24:01
And when you go to sign up to the Church Satan nowadays,
1:24:05
you're not actually signing up for Church Satan, and you guys
1:24:09
can actually click on to the Church Satan website right now.
1:24:13
Go to the membership page and look for where you send your
1:24:18
money to. Where they are going to tell you
1:24:21
to send money to is not Church Satan.
1:24:24
It is to Hell's Kitchen Productions, which is a separate
1:24:28
company owned by Peggy Nadramia. It's not church.
1:24:34
Satan, Inc, a corporation Soul, which is the actual organization
1:24:39
that was founded by Anton Lavey. Which is the actual.
1:24:44
Organization that was bought from Blanche Barton for roughly
1:24:47
about $500. If the rumors are correct, it
1:24:51
almost. Sounds.
1:24:52
Like you have, you take your position and your view very
1:24:56
seriously. This means a lot to you, and it
1:24:59
almost sounds like you're saying that there are posers out there
1:25:02
who are making it look bad. They're they're basically
1:25:05
shaming the brand in some way. Do I got that right?
1:25:09
You're exactly right. Yes, they certainly are.
1:25:13
For years the Church Satan has called people like me pseudo
1:25:17
Satanists that were not real Satanists because we actually
1:25:20
believe in a very real Satan. Well, I'm sorry.
1:25:23
We have a much stronger faith than a clown like Peter Gilmore,
1:25:29
who I'm not. I call him a clown, but I want
1:25:31
you to understand that in person, he really is a nice guy.
1:25:34
But the man cannot stop talking about being an atheist.
1:25:38
He can't stop bragging about it, and it's enough to drive you up
1:25:43
the wall. But calling a religion, an
1:25:48
established religion that is decades old, established such as
1:25:54
Levay and Satanism as atheism, by calling those people atheist,
1:26:00
There is no more Levay family members inside the Church.
1:26:03
Satan, they all left. Not Carla Levay, Not.
1:26:07
Zena Levay. Not even Anton Lavey's son.
1:26:10
Anton Lavey's son. Literally changed his name.
1:26:19
Lu Art Bane. Yes, Anton Lavey actually was
1:26:24
conservative and she was theistic.
1:26:27
Show me in The Satanic Bible and out of numerous, numerous
1:26:36
publications, show me where he. Ever.
1:26:39
Called himself an atheist. I want to let you.
1:26:44
Know, and you've probably done live streams before.
1:26:48
We're not associated with some of these people that are out in
1:26:51
common. So if somebody says something
1:26:53
ignorant towards me or TTOR or yourself, remember we are are
1:26:57
not encouraging ignorant ass behavior up in here.
1:27:01
We like, we like it respectful. So if anybody says something
1:27:05
dumb to you, just let us know and we'll have a talk with them.
1:27:08
All right. All right.
1:27:09
All right. Yeah, I get a lot of.
1:27:11
People just like that who is saying some ignorant things
1:27:16
about my past, tried to throw that up to discredit me.
1:27:21
But my challenge is always going to be prove me wrong, prove what
1:27:26
I'm saying wrong. I can prove everything that I'm
1:27:29
saying just for us for. Us It's not about people's past
1:27:34
or their or whatever they're doing in their personal life.
1:27:37
It's about what is it that you believe?
1:27:39
What do you think? What's your?
1:27:41
World view, that kind of stuff. We're not interested in screwing
1:27:44
with people's lives and all that stuff.
1:27:46
We just want to have an open discussion like we've been
1:27:48
doing. And you're doing great, by the
1:27:50
way. Thank you very much.
1:27:52
Yeah, this. Is definitely.
1:27:53
A better experience than the last like 5 people that have
1:27:57
come on to our show because usually it's in like 60 seconds.
1:28:00
They're like Brett Keynes and N Word, Brett Keynes and N Word.
1:28:03
I'm just like Boot. It's.
1:28:05
It's interesting, and I I mean this from the bottom of my heart
1:28:09
there, Sir. We've had, we've had some
1:28:11
atheists that are your typical atheist not holding on to any
1:28:15
kind of like thing and they're very rude and disrespectful.
1:28:19
But I've noticed whenever I've had Satanist, whether they're
1:28:23
theistic or whether they're atheistic Satanist, there's
1:28:26
always been a good discussion. There's no, like, you know,
1:28:30
you're a Dick head kind of concept that's beautiful and
1:28:33
well. When you can encounter Church of
1:28:35
Satan members that call themselves Satanists when
1:28:42
they're on duty, they have to present a positive front to
1:28:46
outsiders. When they're talking to people
1:28:48
like me, oh man, they're completely different.
1:28:51
Excuse me, I have an issue. Notes.
1:28:54
They're completely different. They are absolutely rude.
1:28:57
They're hostile. Even recently I have been
1:29:00
dealing with one such Church Satan member who has stalked my
1:29:06
personal profiles, literally posted pictures of my child
1:29:10
online, tried to dox me and all this other stuff.
1:29:16
Just because they don't agree with what I'm saying, do that to
1:29:18
me as well, They. Posted pictures of my kids,
1:29:21
ripped stuff off my face, but some wicked ass people on the
1:29:24
Internet. Oh yeah, yeah.
1:29:27
And. It's all because they don't like
1:29:29
what we're saying. They don't.
1:29:31
Like the truth? Because it goes against their
1:29:33
narrative. I know this is going.
1:29:37
To sound unusual, but it seems like.
1:29:40
I mean, here it is. You're theistic.
1:29:42
You actually believe the entity exists.
1:29:44
You actually believe there's even some concept of God.
1:29:47
Even though you're not impressed with its traits, it seems like
1:29:50
the the ones who actually believe in that they should be
1:29:54
the ones in charge of the specific religion.
1:29:56
That doesn't make sense that some atheists can come along,
1:30:00
buy it for $500, and then turn it into a a damn circus.
1:30:04
Exactly, exactly. I agree with that.
1:30:07
And you know, I have had, I have to say this because it's pretty
1:30:12
damn funny in my opinion, that out of being a religionist for
1:30:18
most of my life, my best encounters has always been with
1:30:24
another person of actual faith and belief.
1:30:26
And it doesn't matter what they believe in, as long as they have
1:30:30
that faith in something, they tend to try to be the best
1:30:35
person that they can be. And it doesn't matter if they're
1:30:38
Christian or not. And certainly there aren't bad
1:30:41
Christians. There's bad Satanists, there's
1:30:43
bad Wiccans, there's bad Buddhists and Shintoists and
1:30:48
Muslims out there. There's bad everything.
1:30:51
But there's also good ones out there, and usually the ones that
1:30:56
actually have that faith tend to have a level of respect for
1:31:02
other people, even if they. Don't share their faith.
1:31:05
Even if they don't share their ideology.
1:31:09
So I agree with that. I agree.
1:31:12
I always try. No matter what the faith is or
1:31:15
the non belief I I try to be respectful and decent to other
1:31:20
people's views. I feel like if you want to be
1:31:22
able to reach people then you have to, you know, sympathize
1:31:26
and try to understand where they're coming from.
1:31:28
Some people are not able to do that.
1:31:30
I think PTR is pretty good for that as well, yeah.
1:31:34
You know, honestly, I'm of the opinion that, you know, if you
1:31:38
want to gain anybody's respect, you walk up to them in person,
1:31:42
you shake their hand, you look them in the eye and you treat
1:31:45
them with respect and they will treat you with respect and
1:31:49
return. If they do not, then you have
1:31:52
every right in the book to treat them cruelly.
1:31:57
Yeah, I. I tend to just troll them really
1:32:00
hard when they like. That oh, we certainly.
1:32:04
Do like to do our trolling as well and whatnot we we
1:32:09
definitely do our our fair share trolling as well to individuals
1:32:15
like I I just said we just had an individual who is a claims to
1:32:20
be a church. Satan.
1:32:21
Member who has been stalking me and doing all that other stuff
1:32:24
that I mentioned and he just did not stop to real.
1:32:28
I mean, he was, you know, dancing around the fact that we
1:32:30
didn't know who he was and we were investigating it and we
1:32:35
just kept on leading him on and on and on.
1:32:38
We started baiting in other groups to see who would bite and
1:32:43
come back with certain comments so we would know where to look
1:32:47
and what not. And eventually we discovered who
1:32:52
he was and we got him out of all of our groups.
1:32:56
We well, I blocked them on my personal profiles.
1:32:59
And what does he do Immediately on his, you know, trolling
1:33:04
Twitter page is he starts throwing a temper tantrum over
1:33:09
things when he realizes he has no more access where he once did
1:33:15
he. Starts throwing complete.
1:33:17
Temper tantrum trying to make us think that we hadn't gotten them
1:33:21
out when we did our detective work and whatnot, I did a A.
1:33:25
Quick search on Google to find out what Levay's political views
1:33:30
were and everything points to Republican part of the
1:33:34
conservative party. So the person out there that
1:33:37
went against you on that, I'm not sure where they got their
1:33:40
information, but I actually have an.
1:33:42
Article in this book. From Anton Levay.
1:33:47
It was a public article. It was part of Letters from the
1:33:50
Devil and it is. Let me just see what I can find
1:33:59
it here. Just a big book.
1:34:01
How long? Did it take you to write that I
1:34:03
have? I have been.
1:34:07
This is the final form. I'm not adding to this book any
1:34:09
further. I first started writing this in
1:34:14
2009. I have got published initially
1:34:18
in 2011 and I republished it for the first time in 2020 and it's
1:34:25
since then gone through two other publications.
1:34:28
This is the final publication. This is from our own publishing
1:34:31
house which is called Black Flame Press, which I currently
1:34:36
own and run. And we're going to be publishing
1:34:39
more books underneath our brand and everything.
1:34:44
And I actually found the article right here, but to answer your
1:34:49
question, it has taken me probably about. 15.
1:34:53
Years to get it to this stage where it is now where I'm
1:34:58
finally content and happy with its final form.
1:35:02
And yeah, yeah, that thank you for.
1:35:08
Thank you for asking that. So this.
1:35:11
Article. That is that you're.
1:35:13
Going to quote is going to prove that he was conservative in his
1:35:16
political stances. Well, it's not going.
1:35:19
To prove it. Definitively, it's a short
1:35:22
article. It was a response to a letter
1:35:25
that he had received in 1971 to his Letters from the Devil
1:35:32
column in San Francisco. And the article's title is
1:35:37
Satanism is Americanism, And so if if I.
1:35:44
May OK to. Sum up our political doctrine.
1:35:49
Satanism is Americanism in its purest form, with only the
1:35:54
outdated moral codes altered to fit the times, and with
1:35:59
recondition of the fact that only man's most basic instincts
1:36:06
are satisfied. Can a nation receive his best
1:36:10
when it becomes common knowledge that we do not advocate or even
1:36:15
approve of denial of desecration of such sacred American
1:36:19
traditions as home, family, patriotism or patriotism,
1:36:26
personal pride, etcetera, but instead champion these things?
1:36:32
Our one time opponents in the quote UN quote establishment
1:36:36
will not have a leg to stand on. Actually, in view of the vast
1:36:43
numbers of religious leaders defending and expounding the
1:36:47
extreme liberal philosophy of hippie or drug culture,
1:36:52
conservative organizations will and already do find Satanism
1:36:58
more compatible with their doctrines than they now think it
1:37:02
to be. I feel rather sorry for, but I
1:37:06
must admit, amused by the poor old dyed in the wool quote, UN
1:37:12
quote conservative, who considers the flag and God to be
1:37:16
inseparable institutions because the new Christianity is composed
1:37:23
of the drug befuddled wretches they find totally reprehensible.
1:37:29
It looks as though one is going to be forced to choose between
1:37:34
God and the flag or else become part of a dying society.
1:37:40
I realized most would think me far too optimistic.
1:37:44
But I can simply see the change coming I think.
1:37:49
Back. Just 5 short years ago, when I
1:37:51
formerly formerly founded the Church, how many theologians
1:37:58
were admitting to the irrationality and
1:38:01
inconsistencies of their religions practically?
1:38:05
None. And.
1:38:06
Once the stern. Unyielding Christian churches
1:38:09
have admitted their errors. They might as well admit to
1:38:14
defeat. It is in young.
1:38:17
People such as yourself, proud walkers of the Left Hand Path,
1:38:22
whom I place my faith for the future of this our fair land,
1:38:27
America shall indeed. Have a bright future.
1:38:33
Once she has weathered the storm, quote UN quote of those
1:38:39
who two opposing factions who respectively hate and love her.
1:38:47
But would see her. Torn asunder in order to prove
1:38:50
their perspective points. Love for one.
1:38:55
'S country must be shown in much the same way as love for another
1:39:00
person. We must be able to see her
1:39:04
faults and work towards changing them without robbing her of all
1:39:08
pride and dignity in the process.
1:39:11
On the other hand, we must not blindly accept her faults and
1:39:16
constantly make excuses for her, for that is not love, it is
1:39:20
infatuation. Anton.
1:39:22
Susandor Levay. Pretty much spells.
1:39:28
It out. What do you think your teeth you
1:39:30
are? I do not feel.
1:39:32
Like I was hearing the words of a woke far leftist.
1:39:39
Nope. He was a.
1:39:40
Registered Republican and like I said.
1:39:46
You. Know he surrounded himself by
1:39:49
people who were of the political alt right and far right
1:39:56
philosophy. You know, even his own daughter
1:39:58
Zena Levay married Max or Nicholas Schreck, who at the
1:40:03
time was. Very much.
1:40:06
So an advocate in the 1980s of the Alt Right and Far Right
1:40:12
movement, him and Boyd Rice actually in 1988 did a major
1:40:22
event. And it was very much so
1:40:26
organized by the alt Right and far right movements, where they
1:40:31
were playing music and everything and they did
1:40:33
interviews and rituals in front of an altar bearing a Nazi flag,
1:40:39
swastika and all, and that. You can actually look that up
1:40:44
here on YouTube. We just actually recently found
1:40:47
that stuff and posted it in our Facebook group demonstrating
1:40:51
this. Because we constantly get called
1:40:52
Nazis because of the whole Thulian thing that we call, you
1:40:56
know, that we identify with. So we're you.
1:41:02
Know we show that you know? Even though we're not.
1:41:06
Nazis I have. I openly admit I am a former
1:41:10
member of the National Socialist Movement, but I am not a current
1:41:14
member and. Nor do I.
1:41:18
Share any racist views or whatnot.
1:41:21
People will note that about me. You know, even though we have.
1:41:27
Those iconography, it is indelible, ingrained with
1:41:32
Satanism, You know, that's actually part of the very fabric
1:41:36
of our iconography and religion, so.
1:41:40
You know whether. People like it or not.
1:41:42
People like to demonize things. You know?
1:41:45
Well, once it becomes demonized something.
1:41:49
Like my. Organization or religion will
1:41:51
adopt it. That's right.
1:41:55
Nowadays, if you don't mind me asking.
1:41:57
Do you so come off unusual? Maybe.
1:42:01
But do you believe in a absolute moral good and an absolute moral
1:42:06
evil? No.
1:42:10
And again, if you look on our website you will find something
1:42:14
called the Lexatanicus and this is the law of the Satanist.
1:42:20
And the very first law of the Satanist is morality is a lie.
1:42:33
It be certain that's true. Though, well, morality.
1:42:37
Is a human concept. Think about it this way.
1:42:42
Here in America we have certain laws and moral codes and
1:42:46
dictates. How?
1:42:49
Young you can marry. Your wife, you know, how, how
1:42:52
young could she be before she's considered a woman?
1:42:56
Well, if you. Look back to.
1:42:58
As recently as the 1890s, a woman.
1:43:03
Was. Deemed an adult and married, you
1:43:05
know, a mariable woman by the age of 12 to 13.
1:43:13
Literally. When you watch the show Game of
1:43:15
Thrones, when is a woman in that show considered a woman?
1:43:21
When she. Has her first.
1:43:22
Mensus. She could still be.
1:43:26
What we consider a child. And yet in that world, that
1:43:31
culture, she is an adult. And this is true even in our
1:43:36
real life society, going back just a couple 100 years.
1:43:40
Not even 200 years. It is still.
1:43:46
Even a fact in other cultures today, Did you know that in
1:43:53
Africa there is a tribe that marries their daughters out to
1:43:58
men at the age of 12 and it's considered OK, morally speaking?
1:44:08
That's fine. You know, take take Islam for
1:44:15
instance. I know.
1:44:17
All about. That, OK, Sharia law.
1:44:20
A woman gets raped. Here in America.
1:44:26
She is the victim. She is to be.
1:44:28
Protected. She is to be guarded and
1:44:32
cherished and helped, but in Sharia.
1:44:35
Law. She can't.
1:44:36
Produce 4 male witnesses to cooperate her story.
1:44:38
She gets stoned to death as an adulterer and I've seen.
1:44:42
That happen in real life. When I was young, I lived in the
1:44:45
UAE. In the early. 80s I remember
1:44:49
going to the marketplaces, seeing severed hands and other
1:44:55
body parts, staple tooth stalls in the marketplace, going down
1:45:01
an alleyway and seeing two women being stoned to death by their
1:45:05
family members in an A back alleyway.
1:45:10
I remember I still have dreams to this day about hearing this
1:45:15
one. Woman who is?
1:45:16
Less than five feet away from me being pummeled by rocks, I could
1:45:21
hear her bones being broken by these rocks, her covering her
1:45:26
head and just hearing the cracking and her crying and
1:45:31
wailing. I remember that.
1:45:35
And yet. That is considered morally
1:45:39
correct. To them, morality in and of
1:45:43
itself is a lie. If you want.
1:45:46
I can actually read it to you what it says, why I do?
1:45:50
Hear you on what you're saying on morality, and I understand
1:45:54
you're from a different sect of Satanism.
1:45:57
How does it make you feel? You've probably looked at.
1:46:00
I'm sure you probably looked in the last two years at the Church
1:46:02
of Satan site, but are you aware that they are actually claiming
1:46:06
that they have their own sins, their own tenants, and their
1:46:10
own? All written by Anton Levay.
1:46:13
Yeah. Do you believe that Peter Edgar
1:46:16
Fillmore has? Not added anything outside the
1:46:19
Satanic scriptures to the church.
1:46:22
Satan Anton Levay wrote five books before he died.
1:46:28
He founded the religion and built it from the ground up.
1:46:31
Even Michael Aquino added to that religion, that philosophy
1:46:37
before leaving the church, Satan, and continued to add to
1:46:41
it even after Anton Lebay's death, when he made peace with
1:46:46
the Lebay family. And I remember Michael Aquino
1:46:50
and I, we were both part of the 600 Club back in the day and we
1:46:54
both communicated with each other and he was a.
1:46:58
Wonderful. Wonderful man, a very proud
1:47:01
patriot, and he contributed so much.
1:47:06
Michael Aquino has contributed more 1000 times more than Peter
1:47:13
H Gilmore has ever added. And yes, the 9 Satanic
1:47:19
statements, the 11 Satanic rules of the Earth, and the 9 Satanic
1:47:22
sins were all written by Anton Le, not Peter Gilmore.
1:47:29
Right, but don't you feel? As though it's some kind of code
1:47:32
of conduct for Satanist. Oh, it very much so is.
1:47:36
But it's not the only code of conduct you can.
1:47:39
Literally. Buy.
1:47:40
This book right here and the very first chapter in the First
1:47:44
Testament. Talks about all.
1:47:47
The different codes of conduct it's right here.
1:47:53
It talks about all the different codes of conduct, from the
1:47:56
precepts of evolution from the Satanicon by Adrian Clavix to
1:48:01
the rules of Satan from The Path of Satan by Emperor Nautilus in
1:48:04
2007 going further back the 21 precepts and points from The
1:48:10
Black Book of Satan by Conrad Robbery in 1989.
1:48:14
From the Order of the 9 Angles, The Indulgences of Brimstone,
1:48:20
from the anniversary, a revision of The Satanic Bible by Michael
1:48:26
Aquino to even the ones written by Anton Levay and.
1:48:32
It's the first chapter. Called The Creeds of Satanism.
1:48:35
You can see it right there. We got somebody out.
1:48:38
In text chat, that seems to be aggravated because they think
1:48:41
they've got Satanism more figured out than what you've got
1:48:44
going on. Even though you're actually
1:48:46
writing books a liar. We put the public link out.
1:48:50
If you want to come in and chat, do so.
1:48:52
But if you do manage to come in and learn how to work a
1:48:55
microphone, do not get all ignorant nasty with our guests.
1:48:59
Just have an open discussion, all right.
1:49:03
Oh, they're. If they come in, they're
1:49:05
definitely going to get nasty, and that's perfectly fine.
1:49:09
But no, what it says, going back to the whole morality, is a lie.
1:49:12
This is the first lex of lex satanicus.
1:49:15
It says morality is a pretty lie, told by society in order to
1:49:20
hide behind the facade of social acceptability and.
1:49:24
At times to. Escape one's own
1:49:26
responsibilities, interchangeable.
1:49:29
It is at the moment and in any culture to escape wrongdoings by
1:49:34
making them the moral, social and social rights.
1:49:40
We see that. Even in our own society, Roe
1:49:44
versus Wade. Before Roe versus?
1:49:48
Wade. It was considered morally
1:49:51
reprehensible to get an abortion then.
1:49:54
Roe versus Wade? Came into being, and suddenly it
1:49:58
was a woman's right. Now that Roe versus Wade.
1:50:02
Has been overturned. It's now a very big battleground
1:50:08
point where half of the people say it is our bodily autonomy,
1:50:13
right. We also cover that in the same
1:50:16
Lex Satanicus there that bodily autonomy is a privilege, not a
1:50:20
right. May I ask you something?
1:50:24
If you were to if something unfortunate were to happen to
1:50:29
you tomorrow or something and you had another out of body
1:50:32
experience, the same exact scenario as you described before
1:50:37
happens to you. You walk up to the Catechism,
1:50:40
but this time you feel nothing but love emanating off of it,
1:50:45
and then you return. Do you think things would change
1:50:48
for you on a theological level, or you'd have a different
1:50:51
perspective? No, I don't think that would.
1:50:54
Change my perspective at this stage of my life?
1:50:58
Certainly not. And I'll tell you exactly why.
1:51:02
Because deities are entities in their own right.
1:51:06
They have their own perspectives and viewpoints.
1:51:09
People are what I deal with here on the physical plane if a
1:51:13
person, no matter what the religion is, no matter what
1:51:17
their faith is or what their political.
1:51:19
Views. Are If a person is a good
1:51:21
person, I'm going to shake their hand just the same and I'm going
1:51:24
to treat them just the same. As for my personal viewpoints on
1:51:29
religion, I will stay dedicated to my path as it is, no matter
1:51:34
what. That's fair enough.
1:51:38
Fair enough. Do you feel like it ever is
1:51:41
because you come from a theistic point of view that there is a
1:51:44
God and there is a Satan and all that?
1:51:46
Do you feel like it's something? It can also be counterintuitive
1:51:50
for you. No, no, I I don't.
1:51:56
Think that any of that can be counterintuitive towards me at
1:52:00
all, because as long as I stay true to myself and how?
1:52:05
Can I be a? Hypocrite to myself.
1:52:08
Why I? Understand.
1:52:09
That what I mean is, let's say that there were some atheists in
1:52:13
the room right now and they're just pounding the dirt.
1:52:16
There's no devil, there's no God, there's no nothing and all
1:52:19
that. Yet you come along and you say,
1:52:21
but I actually experienced God. I didn't like him, but I
1:52:25
experienced him. How do you think that the tone
1:52:28
of the room would go? Obviously we're going to respect
1:52:30
you and listen to you, but how do you think the atheist would
1:52:33
react? Some of them I.
1:52:36
Some of them, I will tell you right now, would be just as kind
1:52:39
and listening and respectful of it.
1:52:41
They may disagree with it, but others would think I'm
1:52:46
completely. Insane.
1:52:47
Because they flat out view anybody with any sort of faith
1:52:50
or belief as being fundamentally insane and it's just absolute
1:52:59
craziness for it to even treat another person like that.
1:53:03
In my opinion it's it's counter that is being counterintuitive.
1:53:08
I mean we just saw the other person who keeps on trying to
1:53:12
hound and whatnot. I'm not seeing everything that
1:53:15
they type pop up, but I'm seeing cut occasionally something pop
1:53:18
up. You're obviously seeing much
1:53:20
more than me, but is he able to open?
1:53:25
Up the comments tab in here to I do have a.
1:53:29
Button here that. Says Chat.
1:53:31
But I'm not going to open it up. I don't.
1:53:33
I don't really care to. Well, most of the people are.
1:53:37
Being. Respectful since that one.
1:53:39
Goofy, goofy one. Let's see.
1:53:41
Here. I don't know.
1:53:43
Yeah, I can't really see anything going on comment.
1:53:47
OK. There hasn't been much going.
1:53:49
On for the last like 1020 minutes, So, all right, yeah.
1:53:53
Yeah, a lot of this looks pretty respectful.
1:53:57
Sorry, I'm on my phone, so I just kind of have it set up at
1:54:01
my desk. But you know, I for the most
1:54:06
part, I'm just like, no, I'm not going to look at the comments or
1:54:09
chat or whatnot because that would just distract me.
1:54:12
Even when I do my high masses, my live stream rituals, I turn
1:54:17
my phone away from me. So I'm using the cameras, the
1:54:20
high definition cameras on the back end on the backside of my
1:54:23
phone and I'm not looking at the screen my my giroli or some of
1:54:28
our other members that are there in person monitor the chat
1:54:33
rooms. We even have online moderators
1:54:35
always in our chat rooms that can handle any sort of problems
1:54:41
that, you know, I can't see. And I deliberately keep myself
1:54:44
from seeing them so I don't go off the wall at them needlessly
1:54:50
so. Why do you think?
1:54:51
That the behavior is like that, though.
1:54:54
I mean, we have Satanists out here who are atheistic.
1:54:58
Why would a atheist come along and find it like stupid or
1:55:02
mentally ill or deranged to believe that there's more to the
1:55:05
universe? That's what they've been
1:55:06
conditioned. To think.
1:55:09
A lot of Satanists. Out there like to say that they
1:55:13
are individuals, that they go against the herd mentality, yet
1:55:20
they tend to fall into the herd, a different herd every time.
1:55:26
They don't like seeing people who legitimately are not.
1:55:31
Part of the herd. Who legitimately walk to the
1:55:34
beat of their own drum. Now, I'm not going to say that
1:55:37
there's anything wrong with being part of a herd.
1:55:40
Herds provide protection to creatures and whatnot, but you
1:55:45
know these. People, they're conditioned.
1:55:48
And when they don't see something that they when they
1:55:51
see something that they don't agree with and then they that
1:55:54
challenges them, they don't like it.
1:55:57
And so what's what's the usual typical reaction when that
1:56:01
happens to lash? Out.
1:56:05
Lash out. Instinctively.
1:56:06
Well, unfortunately Peter Gilmore conditioned so many
1:56:11
Satanists. Are so many.
1:56:14
People, so many members of his herd into thinking his way, just
1:56:18
like a cult. Leader.
1:56:21
That that is what they do even nowadays when something
1:56:25
challenges them when. Something does something.
1:56:28
That they don't like. And I'm sorry.
1:56:33
That's going to be what happens to people like yourselves, to me
1:56:38
and whatnot, When we walk to the beat of our own drum.
1:56:42
When we. Think for.
1:56:44
Ourselves. When we don't just believe what
1:56:47
is, it's told to. Us and we go.
1:56:49
And we actually do the research on our own, right?
1:56:56
Just a quick. Question.
1:56:58
Are you familiar with Trump Derangement Syndrome?
1:57:01
Oh, very much. So what I've noticed.
1:57:05
Not from saying this. Unfortunately, I stop her.
1:57:08
From the same thing where people have Lake Affordon Derangement
1:57:11
Syndrome, apparently. Yeah, well.
1:57:14
One of the things me. And Brett have dealt with in
1:57:16
particular over the years has been what I call one of two
1:57:19
things, either Creationist Derangement Syndrome or
1:57:23
Christian Derangement Syndrome. But it works exactly like Trump
1:57:26
Derangement Syndrome. We're always wrong.
1:57:29
Even if we're right. Even if we Yeah, so.
1:57:32
We're always wrong. Even if we're right, even if
1:57:35
we're saying exactly the same thing that our atheist critic is
1:57:39
saying is we're the. Christian because.
1:57:42
We're the creation because you hold that.
1:57:44
One thing that grains against them, you know, here's the thing
1:57:51
that one poster said and mentioned my past history, which
1:57:56
obviously there's a lot more nuance to it and stating that I
1:58:01
was that I'm a Neo Nazi or a former Neo Nazi and that I have
1:58:07
been convicted of child abuse. OK, I have no problem.
1:58:10
Talking about this, people, if you want to hear my side of the
1:58:13
story, go over to my channel and you can actually hear the full
1:58:18
background of that all from my own words.
1:58:21
And you can even see my son and see that he's actually fine.
1:58:27
Well, people don't they, They don't care about that.
1:58:31
When you have that one thing that goes against their
1:58:34
narrative. Now if you completely side with
1:58:38
that person's narrative, they won't hold any of that sort of
1:58:42
thing against you. So if I was to suddenly go out
1:58:45
there and join the Satanic Temple and promote woke agendas
1:58:51
and promote the Gray faction, I think that's what they call it,
1:58:55
the Gray faction and pro abortion rights and whatnot, and
1:59:00
promote their abortion ritual. Then they wouldn't.
1:59:09
They wouldn't. Ever try to hold that over me?
1:59:11
They would. They would be like, oh, you just
1:59:13
made a mistake in your past. We forgive you.
1:59:16
Da da da da da da. We know that they would do that,
1:59:20
but because I don't go for that, because I don't side with their
1:59:25
agendas or anything like that, they're going to try to Lord my
1:59:30
past over my head for all eternity, yeah.
1:59:35
Because that's how the Woke ISM religion works, basically.
1:59:39
Once you've done. Something in your past, no
1:59:41
matter how young and stupid you were, it's held against you
1:59:45
forever. Even if you change, even if your
1:59:48
values become better. The only.
1:59:50
Way. To redeem yourself in their eyes
1:59:52
is to completely count, completely toe their narrative
1:59:59
and become a studious little sheeple following the narrative.
2:00:05
Well, like 1. Example I can.
2:00:06
Think of is that quarterback that's in the NFL that played at
2:00:11
Oklahoma, Kyler, Murray. He won the Heisman Trophy.
2:00:15
I think like I don't follow football.
2:00:17
But anyway. He When he was about to win the
2:00:19
Heisman Trophy, a whole bunch of woke people on the Internet
2:00:23
tried to get him cancelled from that award because they found a
2:00:26
tweet that he wrote when he was like 12 or 13 where he used a
2:00:31
racial slur. It's like, I don't think he's
2:00:34
the same person in college that. He is.
2:00:36
Or how about what happened to? Gina Carano to get her kicked
2:00:40
off the Mandalorian when she made an actual factual tweet
2:00:46
about World War 2 and how certain people were being
2:00:50
treated because of their beliefs.
2:00:56
And they just turned that completely around and got her
2:01:02
chased off the Mandalorian and kicked out of Disney for it.
2:01:07
And I'm, I'm sorry, you know, we had her make that tweet, but
2:01:11
then the guy who actually plays Dinjaran, the Mandalorian, makes
2:01:16
a similar tweet and he doesn't get reprimanded at all.
2:01:18
What's the difference? Well, Gina Colado is not woke.
2:01:23
She's not all girl power stuff. She actually goes out and she's
2:01:27
a strong, beautiful woman. I mean, she's absolutely drop
2:01:31
dead gorgeous. And I would, I I would not want
2:01:35
to get into a fight with her. She would seriously hurt you.
2:01:40
And you know, she's just this amazing, beautiful person both
2:01:45
physically and spiritually, you know, inside and out.
2:01:50
And they did not like that where the guy who plays Pedro Pascal,
2:01:57
the guy who plays as the Mandalorian, he is a Democrat.
2:02:01
He is definitely toting the woke agenda narrative.
2:02:05
So that's the only difference between the two of them.
2:02:08
She doesn't tote the woke agenda, but he does.
2:02:12
And they tweeted similar things and she loses her job.
2:02:19
He doesn't. Yep.
2:02:21
It's literally your. Identity, like I was saying with
2:02:24
the whole Christian creationist derangement thing, Even if you
2:02:28
say the exact same things they do, it's your identity that
2:02:32
makes you wrong. Exactly.
2:02:35
And I'm sorry, but how is that not identical to racism?
2:02:40
You know, with racism, you're judging a person's entire being,
2:02:43
their entire character, based on their skin color.
2:02:46
OK, same with religiousism. You know, religious.
2:02:50
You know, racism. I guess you want you're
2:02:53
identifying an entire person's identity based on what they
2:02:57
believe. You know, political racism, I
2:03:00
guess you want, if you want to call it, you're identifying
2:03:03
every part of a person's character based on their
2:03:08
political opinion. It doesn't matter whether or.
2:03:11
Not they are a good person or a bad person.
2:03:14
You're identifying them. You are characterizing them
2:03:19
based off of one element all. Right, we got.
2:03:24
Some wait wait wait wait wait. Wait, TTR, wait.
2:03:26
The person that's in private chat, You do not want to put
2:03:29
them up on the screen. I've engaged this person before
2:03:33
and they will rant forever and ever.
2:03:35
They get high and then go on these spills about being Jesus
2:03:39
Christ the Second Coming. We don't really need that right
2:03:42
now. We're having a good discussion.
2:03:45
Is he A? Muslim No.
2:03:46
He's just some crazy old man who just gets high and then goes on
2:03:51
spills about how he's the second coming.
2:03:54
He'll spend the next hour talking about how he's going to
2:03:56
destroy the world and kill all of us and all that.
2:04:00
Oh, wow. I'm not really up for.
2:04:02
It, I'll say a Satanist we. Believe that Cthulhu will be
2:04:06
Satan's final form, and that relay will rise from the oceans
2:04:10
and Cthulhu will be unleashed to destroy all of humanity in the
2:04:13
end. Well, this guy this.
2:04:15
Guy actually thinks. Wesley thinks he's.
2:04:18
An actual empathy that's going to cause the destruction of all
2:04:22
of us and what terrible sheep we all are.
2:04:25
It doesn't matter what your belief is, he's just going to
2:04:28
kill us all. So I don't want to.
2:04:30
I I haven't had a cup of coffee in a while.
2:04:32
I can't do that right now. All I.
2:04:34
Have to say to that is yeah, yeah, Petulu Patagon.
2:04:41
We're going. To end soon anyway.
2:04:43
So I think I'll just leave him in the room like the behind the
2:04:46
scenes room. OK, I'm.
2:04:48
Not even looking at the chat, I see that it has like it says 7
2:04:52
comments in the chat and then there's another one that has
2:04:55
like one or in the more thing. Like I said, I'm on my phone,
2:04:59
but I'm not bringing any of that stuff up because I already
2:05:02
explained I'll, I'll go down that rabbit hole and yeah, it
2:05:07
won't be good. Yeah, if you got other.
2:05:10
People in the back, just not Wesley.
2:05:12
I'm eyeing up for all that. Well, there he went.
2:05:14
He. Was the only other person there.
2:05:19
Yeah. Yeah, if if I was going to go
2:05:22
for another couple hours, I might have told the idea of
2:05:25
letting him on. But I think we're fairly close
2:05:28
to ending the show because I don't like to go too long.
2:05:31
Well, trust me if you. Open up something on your own
2:05:34
channel. When he's these, put the link
2:05:35
out. He makes his rounds, he'll get
2:05:38
in there and he'll let you have it.
2:05:42
And they'll never. Hear from me.
2:05:43
Again, I'm going to have to get with you.
2:05:47
Guys, to figure out how you're doing this like all three of us
2:05:50
here today, because we're there's times when we want to
2:05:53
have, like open discussions where people can interact with
2:05:57
us and we just haven't been able to figure out how to do it, you
2:06:01
know? All right.
2:06:02
Well. I mean, if you want to, do you
2:06:05
got my e-mail? I don't know if you've seen the
2:06:07
information in my description. I'll give you an idea how you
2:06:10
put it together if. Nothing else.
2:06:15
Yeah, if you go to our STS website, you'll find our e-mail
2:06:20
there. Shoot us an e-mail on there and
2:06:23
we'll be able on that way. I'll definitely have your e-mail
2:06:26
all. Right, sounds fair.
2:06:28
Enough, sounds fair enough. Because when I first.
2:06:32
Was looking to reach out to you when I heard about you
2:06:35
challenging Church Satan to show up on the show here and talk to
2:06:40
you guys and they were giving you grief.
2:06:42
You know, I was like, how do I get in touch with this guy?
2:06:45
That's why I left you a bubble comment.
2:06:48
Well, it was. It was.
2:06:49
Kind of rough. Me and my TTR were actually
2:06:51
talking about that earlier. The discussion actually started
2:06:55
off where I was talking about how atheism was considered by
2:06:59
the Supreme Court to be an official religion.
2:07:02
And I Simply put out the information and I said there are
2:07:07
different branches and forms of atheism.
2:07:09
People were like, what's that? And I said, well, there's
2:07:12
atheist agnostics, there's Satanist atheist.
2:07:15
And people started going what, what?
2:07:17
What? Let me put it to you.
2:07:20
I'm going to call this right. Now, I don't care what the
2:07:23
Church Satan says. I don't care what the Satanic
2:07:26
Temple says. Satanism is not atheism.
2:07:31
There is no such thing as atheist Satanist.
2:07:34
Not in reality. You have people using the
2:07:39
imagery of Satanism, using the religious iconography or
2:07:45
structure first established by Anton Lavey as a shell, but that
2:07:53
doesn't make them Satanist. Hey look bright, you got 5.
2:07:56
Bucks can you guys? Do me a favor out there and
2:07:59
comments. If you donate money and it's
2:08:02
meant to go to TTOR, Simply put in your message who that's meant
2:08:08
for. Because I I want to let you know
2:08:10
we don't share the same account, so you got to let me know who
2:08:14
it's actually going to. All right.
2:08:16
I appreciate it if it's for me, but let me know who you're
2:08:19
directing it to. Thank you that.
2:08:22
I guess that is a good point. Of clarification, I have no idea
2:08:25
who he is directing this towards.
2:08:29
Yep. So, yeah, I think that you're
2:08:32
going to appreciate. I'll I will give you information
2:08:35
on how to get something like this going and and I wouldn't
2:08:38
have any issue whatsoever if you would want to have me.
2:08:41
Whenever you do a thing, I'll come on there.
2:08:44
I'm not really interested in doing like a ritual or anything
2:08:47
but I'd love to have conversation.
2:08:48
Oh, definitely, yeah. Definitely.
2:08:51
You know, we have a few guys in our community that actually do a
2:08:54
lot of interviews with people. Alistair Nocht, he's he's one of
2:08:58
the people out there who's a Satanist and he's a long
2:09:02
standing, highly respected member of our community who does
2:09:05
interviews with other occultists and whatnot.
2:09:07
But, you know, I would definitely would not mind having
2:09:10
either one of you guys come on to the channel at some point in
2:09:13
the future and, you know, talk with me or some of our other
2:09:17
members of our clergy or whatnot and just all shoot the shit.
2:09:23
Sounds good. Sounds.
2:09:24
Good. I was a bit surprised at the
2:09:26
Church of Satan on how they reacted towards me.
2:09:29
I got a lot of extremely negative comments.
2:09:32
Like that is very typical. Of them that is very normal, and
2:09:36
I and I made it. Clear.
2:09:38
You can even look at my tweets. I said, look, I'm interested in
2:09:40
having an open discussion. I'd like you to be able to share
2:09:43
your views and your ideas and also how you feel about what's
2:09:47
going on in the world today and how, you know, your belief
2:09:51
associates with that kind of like what we're doing right now.
2:09:54
So, but boy oh boy, you're like screw you, Oh yeah, it's.
2:09:59
Immediate with those guys that they are very hostile.
2:10:05
Unless you're a member of the Church Satan itself or a member
2:10:09
of the public media where they can get onto a public news show,
2:10:16
they are 100% hostile to anybody anymore.
2:10:20
They are not the Church Satan that they once were.
2:10:23
And like I was saying before, I've actually put this out
2:10:27
publicly on our I believe on our Facebook page that the Church of
2:10:33
Satan is not actually the Church of Satan anymore.
2:10:37
And I told that I mentioned it here tonight, earlier.
2:10:41
When you send your money in to the Church of Satan to become a
2:10:44
member of the Church of Satan, you're not paying the Church of
2:10:47
Satan. You're paying a different
2:10:49
company called Hell's Kitchen Productions.
2:10:52
And all you're. Paying for is a little paper
2:10:58
card. Like a?
2:10:59
Business card. Not even a really well made one.
2:11:03
It's a little red business card that you sign your name on that
2:11:06
says you're a member of the Church Satan and you get a
2:11:09
little paper with it saying congratulations, you're now a
2:11:12
Satanist. Now when you say.
2:11:15
Hell. 'S.
2:11:15
Kitchen, I take it you're not talking about Ramsey the chef?
2:11:19
No. I am talking.
2:11:22
Oh, that's the name of. Well, Peter Gilmore used to live
2:11:25
in Hell's Kitchen, New York, from what I understand.
2:11:28
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough.
2:11:30
Fair enough. Kitchen.
2:11:33
Yeah, I have. I.
2:11:34
Have noticed a behavior difference.
2:11:36
I didn't realize that hands were changed over in the Church of
2:11:40
Satan, but in the past whenever I did live things I have, I had
2:11:44
Satanist come up and I ain't kidding, we actually had some
2:11:46
pretty decent, respectful conversations.
2:11:49
But nowadays it's like a lot of times when you encounter.
2:11:53
A theistic Satanist. They're perfectly fine.
2:11:55
It doesn't matter. You know what branch of Satanism
2:11:59
they're from. If they're theistic, they
2:12:00
usually are very respectful. Some of them are.
2:12:03
A little bit out there. Don't get me wrong, but usually
2:12:06
they're pretty respectful. But when you encounter people
2:12:10
from the Church, Satan, or even from the Satanic Temple, it's
2:12:15
either a complete rudeness, hostility, or just pushing the
2:12:21
woke narrative. Oof.
2:12:25
And. That's gracious.
2:12:26
Have. You I I was going to ask one
2:12:30
more thing and then TTR you you take it for a while.
2:12:33
My question for you is why do you think it is that a I I've
2:12:37
seen some different programs where Satanist end up on the
2:12:41
news, and nowadays it seems like they're they're making a parody
2:12:45
of it because they say, oh, we don't believe in the devil.
2:12:47
We do this simply, our entire intention is just to piss off
2:12:52
Christians or get some kind of attention.
2:12:54
Does that gruel on you whenever you hear that kind of stuff it?
2:12:59
Grates. Me to the nerve it No, no.
2:13:04
We do have reverse Christians who are trying to get away from
2:13:08
Christianity within our community, but the real
2:13:11
Satanists out there, they have zero and I literally mean
2:13:16
absolute 0 interest in trying to annoy Christians at all.
2:13:21
They could hate Christianity to their freaking core, but.
2:13:25
They have zero interest. In, you know, trying to bother
2:13:29
them or interact with them or any of that stuff.
2:13:32
Their entire focus is just on improving themselves and
2:13:37
reaching what we call our ultimate fuel or zipper or
2:13:42
tempering. And that's just ascending and
2:13:45
reaching our best self that we as an individual can be.
2:13:50
You got others out there who just are in it for the show of
2:13:54
it, and that drives us nuts. These these.
2:14:00
Comments out here TTOR from this liar bane person just doesn't
2:14:05
make any sense. Listen, it's how dare a Satanist
2:14:08
defend our religion from those who purposely misrepresented
2:14:12
Satanism. Never was, never will be
2:14:15
theistic. That's nonsense.
2:14:16
There's thousands of documentation.
2:14:19
I don't think I just started up the show without doing my
2:14:22
research. There is theistic Satanism is a
2:14:26
thing and has been for some time.
2:14:28
What the hell you talking about? Yeah.
2:14:31
Literally. And yes, you're exactly right.
2:14:34
There are numerous denominations of Satanism, especially theistic
2:14:39
Satanism. You have the Brotherhood of
2:14:41
Satan, which calls themselves generational Satanists.
2:14:45
We nicknamed them Satanic Wiccans because a lot of what
2:14:48
they do is very wickedly, but it's their own flavor and you
2:14:52
know they're a big organization. They've been around for over 20
2:14:55
years. There is the Cultic Cthulhu are
2:14:58
as This is My Organ is my secondary organization that we
2:15:02
run through STS. We're called the official Cultic
2:15:05
Cthulhu. This was founded originally by
2:15:08
Venger Satanis in the early in the mid to early 2000s.
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And you know you looked at any of his books.
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I actually have a couple of his books here.
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Give me one quick. Second I I do got to.
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Say it. It does.
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In a sad way. And I shouldn't say this, but it
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kind of tickles me to see somebody out in common saying
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you're not being a Satanist, right?
2:15:34
It's like what I. Hear, Yeah.
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That's an. Experience.
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For me, oh. Yeah, yeah, I hope that.
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Doesn't offend. You but I just this goes not
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because. I'm used to people, especially
2:15:50
the woke agenda, narrative driven idiots and especially
2:15:56
true pseudo Satanist, calling me the pseudo Satanist.
2:15:59
They like to accuse other people of what they are, let's put it
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that way. But no going back to adventure
2:16:05
Satanis. This is one of his books.
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It's called Cthulhu cult. He founded the Cult of Cthulhu
2:16:10
way back when and he makes it very clear in this that it is
2:16:14
definitely Satanism. No, no bones about it, a hand
2:16:19
sound. And now I run the organization.
2:16:21
I was only a member of it for a short time and it's pretty
2:16:24
funny. Now over well over 20 years
2:16:28
later. I own and I run that
2:16:29
organization Venture. You know Venture.
2:16:32
He's a really cool guy. him and I still talk on occasion, but.
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You know, there's that there's. Also, religious vampirism.
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The Temple of the Vampire, which is a sister organization to the
2:16:49
Church of Satan. You know, it was founded in the
2:16:52
late 80s with the blessing of Anton Lavey by Nemo Magister
2:16:58
Nemo, and it's still Satanism. It's considered a Satanic
2:17:03
denomination and it's exploded as a cultural phenomenon, being
2:17:08
that you know the. You know you.
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Have all the vampire courts, like the vampire courts of Texas
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and I believe Virginia and a few others.
2:17:19
I think there's one here in South Carolina.
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Yeah, all these vampire courts and they're all based off of
2:17:26
Michelle Bellinger's documentation as well as the
2:17:30
most vampires. Bible for the Temple of the
2:17:33
Vampires. And you also have oh, what else
2:17:38
you've you've. Mentioned the vampire quite a
2:17:41
bit, and whenever I was doing some, basically refreshing
2:17:45
myself and some of the the Satanic beliefs reviews out
2:17:48
there, I seen Vampire mentioned, but there was one that really
2:17:52
caught my eye. Psychic Vampire What?
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What do you got on that? OK, well the.
2:17:58
Term psychic vampire nowadays means something completely
2:18:02
different than when it was first coined as a term.
2:18:07
Anton Lavey was the first one to use the term psychic vampire and
2:18:12
he mentions it in the Satanic Bible.
2:18:14
And what this is, it is an individual who basically latches
2:18:21
on to another person and through so various tactics such as guilt
2:18:27
tripping or whatnot, just begins leeching off of their life and
2:18:31
never returning anything back to that individual.
2:18:35
Nowadays we call them social vampires, and the term psychic
2:18:41
vampire is actually a reference to a person who can psychically
2:18:47
or magically drain another person of their oral or ambient
2:18:53
energy that surrounds their body, I've heard some men
2:18:55
describe. Their ex wives as being that
2:18:58
way. No, no.
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See the? See the ex.
2:19:03
Wife. They're a totally different type
2:19:05
of vampire. Their their teeth are in their
2:19:07
vagina and their target is not your blood, it is your wallet.
2:19:14
Poof, that's. Rough, but I've heard it.
2:19:16
I've heard it. Yeah, I think those.
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Ones are called gold diggers though, yeah, and I.
2:19:22
Think they're one of the worst heights of the vampires out
2:19:24
there? Yeah.
2:19:26
For a second though, when you started talking about vampires,
2:19:28
I immediately started thinking of the South Park episode where
2:19:32
The Vamps and the Goths went to war with each other.
2:19:37
I just. Wanted to ask you.
2:19:38
Something real quick TTR. Now I don't know if you realize
2:19:42
this. This is usually how I do things.
2:19:44
I don't know how TTR feels about this, but if I do a live show
2:19:49
with somebody participating and they've been in most of the
2:19:52
show, I usually give permission to the person if they want to
2:19:55
because they're part of the show.
2:19:57
If you want to take the video where we're talking together and
2:20:00
put it somewhere, you know, archive it or something, or even
2:20:04
on your own channel, I welcome you do that.
2:20:06
I don't know what TTRS views are on that, but I'm fine.
2:20:13
I was actually. Going to ask if I could do that
2:20:15
because I know a lot of my viewers enjoy doing that.
2:20:19
I don't post very often anymore on my channel, but we're
2:20:22
probably going to be changing that.
2:20:24
But I'm pretty sure most of my people would love to see this
2:20:28
and what not. So thank you as long as.
2:20:30
You just. Put the link to the original.
2:20:34
Yeah, I'll link. Everybody involved.
2:20:36
Yeah, I'll, I'll make sure I link both of you guys to your
2:20:39
individual channels as well as well as if you guys could link
2:20:44
to my channel down below too. Sounds good.
2:20:48
Sounds good. You want to plug your channel
2:20:50
and #2 TTOI. Don't know if you want to do
2:20:54
something next week, but I definitely plan on doing some
2:20:57
kind of live deal now if any of you want to come in or some of
2:21:01
the people out there. If you manage to get a
2:21:03
microphone before that, feel free to come in.
2:21:06
But as usual, let's try to be respectful of the guest my
2:21:11
channel. Is Lucifer Lake of Ordon and the
2:21:13
Satanic Thulian Society and you can find me on YouTube.
2:21:19
I got an idea for you. Why don't you put your link in
2:21:22
the private chat and then I'll post it out into the main
2:21:24
comments for people. Like I said, I'm on my phone.
2:21:28
So let let me teach here. Do you have a link available?
2:21:33
There. No, I do not.
2:21:36
I think you sent me a link. To his channel, Let me look.
2:21:40
All right, so. TTOR If you want, either I could
2:21:43
post it out of the main thing, or you just post it in privacy
2:21:46
or whatever you want to do. However, let's see.
2:21:49
Where can I? Post it?
2:21:50
Well, I can post it on my Twitter feed.
2:21:53
Yeah, it would take. Me a little bit to grab my link
2:21:55
and I'm just not going to go monkeying with it right now
2:21:58
because I don't want to accidentally click out.
2:22:02
Well, there you go. It's on the Twitter feed.
2:22:05
All right. So I think you.
2:22:05
Are. Put the link out there and it's
2:22:08
obvious that you understand how social media works, that there's
2:22:11
haters and lovers and fans and people that treat you like shit.
2:22:15
We've got a few haters, so. Oh, of course you may get an
2:22:19
audience of good people who are interested in talking to you and
2:22:23
all that. You may get a couple deck
2:22:24
magnets as well. I'm sorry.
2:22:26
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
2:22:27
Well. Like I said before, one of the
2:22:29
things that we do in SC, we actually have our own security
2:22:32
team and we make sure they come in as moderators no matter where
2:22:36
and they can bounce anybody out who doesn't want to respect
2:22:41
other people or the rules DTOR. When we going?
2:22:44
To get our own security crew. What's up with that?
2:22:48
Well, you know. I'm 6.
2:22:49
Five, 260 lbs. I'm kind of my own security crew
2:22:52
at this point. There you go.
2:22:56
Yeah, my my secure. My personal security detail is
2:22:59
sleeping on the floor here, Khalid.
2:23:03
We got oh, now that looks. Like a dog that could actually
2:23:07
protect you. Come here, girl.
2:23:12
Oh, she's a big. One, Yeah.
2:23:15
She's my girl. Yeah, I'm a dog.
2:23:19
Person. So basically, every dog.
2:23:22
All right. Yeah, we we love our puppers.
2:23:26
We have two of them. All right.
2:23:28
Well, we've been. Going almost 2 1/2 hours and I
2:23:31
think we'll go ahead and close out the show here.
2:23:35
You guys who are watching live, you'll see the link to Lucifer
2:23:40
Levy Gordon's channel. I know I pronounced that wrong,
2:23:43
but you'll see the link to his channel in the chat of YouTube,
2:23:46
especially if you watch the replay chat and we will see you
2:23:51
next time. Peace out.
2:23:53
All right, Peace. I'll base the time.
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